Beanie level: Loan shark with a heart of gold
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Interesting
Read This: “Are the ‘Squid Game’ Subtitles Actually Botched? ”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-netflixs-squid-game-subtitles-actually-botched-not-entirely-korean-speakers-say?via=ios

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    I didn’t realize that subtitles and Closed Caption are different things. Why would that be?

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      Closed captions are essentially a transcription of the English dub. The kind of thing you’d see for English “subtitles” of English shows. They serve different purposes and are for different audiences. The closed captions also include descriptions of sound or music played for this reason: they’re mainly for deaf/HOH people or those who for whatever reason can’t have the sound on. The subtitles, on the other hand, are intended for hearing audiences who don’t speak the language.

      So because dubs are always worse than subs (because you have to edit the meaning to roughly match the lips and timing of what is being said in Korean), the closed captions are inherently worse than the subtitles, which also have their issues but not nearly as many as the dub/closed captions.

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    Well i guess that’s one pro for SG’s popularity – maybe Netflix will improve their subs. Most of the time I don’t even know it’s bad but people keep saying it is. Gotta trust people who knows more than oppa…daebak!

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    I notice that netflix tend to simplify their subs if that the correct way to say it. it is not wrong but some of the nuances are lost. I notice it while watching Homcha too.

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    @bbstl Thank you for sharing this. Hopefully, Netflix will put more of an effort when they provide subtitles for foreign language shows.

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      My thoughts exactly. Netflix (the Giant) in the area of Korean subtitles you are being outgunned by the volunteers (David) at Viki!

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        The heads number counts too. Netflix/any other providers that using payed translator only done by about 1 person (at least they only show 1 name); while an episode of drama in viki done by at least 4 people into english, someone else would rechecking it, and another atleast 4 would translate them into their own language; and another someone else would reviewing it.
        … and if it still somehow misstranslate, a viewer could suggest a better translation, and then correct them. So yeah, a village done the translating for viki for free (and happily); and one (or two or maybe three) person under the deadline stress done it for neflix.

        Viki picks the better choice. (Cmiiw, iqiyi now also doing this)

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Well, I’ve waited 15 years for kdrama to teach me Korean via osmosis and that hasn’t worked well. Maybe it’s time for this book! (The Cultural Encounter sound interesting!)

https://k-dramakorean.com

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    I definitely am in the same boat. I’ve learned a lot of words, phrases, and honorific use, but diddly about grammar/conjugation. So unless I can simply toss out a word or phrase that gets repeated umpteen times, I can’t really form sentences on my own just from watching shows.

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      Yep, completely!
      Chuggeleh?
      Eepoda!
      spring to mind 😁

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        Even my cats know some Korean, including the different variations of “not just yet” when they’re begging for food and I’m trying to dole out the canned portions. (No idea how to Romanize them correctly–chakamon, hanamon?)

        On the worst days of begging when they start early because they just happen to notice me going in the kitchen, I even switch gears and resort to rolling through the “no” honorifics until they leave me alone. Rarely do they persist mewling past anyo before giving up, but some days–they force my ever growing louder “an-i-mi-DA!” before they sulk off to another room. 😼

        One bit that I still find surprised it stuck in my noggin because I only remember it from one show was from She was pretty” I do a lot of walking, so when the crosswalk turns green? “Kajooda!”

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          I am failing typing today. “a-ni-mi-DA”. But you knew I meant to break it up that way, krichee? (So failing with Romanizing.) 😂

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            Romanizing is very hard! We can just make our best shots at the phonetics.

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          That’s hilarious about your cats! My cat only hears “ChinCHA???” Because he’s always doing something that I can’t believe.

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    Osmosis doesn’t work???? D*mm

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      Maybe it’s just me?

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        I’ve got Korean language feeds on Insta, I’ve downloaded and printed a workbook. I have made so many false starts and I know less than a cat.

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          Don’t feel bad, I had weekly personal tutoring for a couple of years and learned very little (I have no memory for vocabulary, it turns out). All we did was gossip about dramas 😁 In English, of course.

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            What a blissful time. I go around frightening people who might be Korean asking them if they are watching any k-dramas.

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            @jorobertson “blissful time”,perfect description. I think I know what you mean, I frightened my tutor and her co-teachers when I pulled out a Hyun Bin Kleenex holder on my first day of class. 😮

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            🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you just cracked me up – a Kleenex holder, just for HB – the best way to frighten people. 😨😨😨 I sourced a Korean restaurant and let drop to the owner that I knew Hyun Bin had been in the Marines, Some people think I’m odd.

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            @jorobertson Yuh. I was in a Korean costume jewelry/accessories store and dropped “eepodah!” when the lady showed me a scarf. She just ignored it. ☺️
            Then again, I was in a meeting in Seoul when the Compant President joined us and I gleefully greeted him , “YABOSEYO, MR KIM!” The whole room dissolved in laughter because it turns out you only say yaboseyo on the phone to acknowledge that you’re answering, it is in no way a version of “hello” ☺️

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            It was great that they all laughed. So brave of you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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          Not sure how long you’ve been watching Kdramas, but my habit started thanks to Hulu in 2010ish I think? So that’s a decade of oodles of shows/movies to get things beat into my head from repetition.

          We’re a weirdly sporadic language family for two folks that grew up in American families that had pretty much switched to English only at home at least two generations ago, honestly. (His side was here longer than mine.) On my side of things, there’s what I think of as “aga Hangul” (baby talk Korean); mostly forgotten high school French; the rare Swedish utterance; and a few German phrases I picked up when I was freelance editing publications for two Albanian scientists who had emigrated to the US via Germany. I’m also just starting to try to learn Spanish beyond counting and basic vocab because I’ve made friends in this area that are native speakers and I love languages. My partner’s side includes Japanese; some German; and Spanish he picked up as a kid in Florida that’s diminished over the years (he also knows a lot more ASL than I do from his college days and one lady he worked with when he was still with corporate).

          I joke that we’re illiterate in many languages. 😂

          [I should point out that I haven’t done much serious editing or proofreading work in ages, and spending time on the internet has totally helped my skills slide into a dumpster because I’ve been too lazy to keep them sharp.🤭]

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            LOL I’m monolingual from generations back. I joke that I’m still learning English, but when I worked in the UK, I discovered that I truly had been speaking in a borrowed language. The English wield their language like a sharp sword. It can be cutting, and it does not depend on your class. The working class use it equally efficiently, if not more so. My biggest regret is that I have not acquired a swathe of other languages. I learnt French at school and worked in Geneva on and off for a couple of years doing some research. I discovered that the French there sounds very different (to my ear unrecognizable) to what I heard in Paris, although they hotly claim it’s the same. (dialect perchance). I am not fluent in French but I can stumble through docs written in French. The dogs of Geneva knew more French than me, and I amused my landlady by speaking formally to them. I wish I had Portuguese and Spanish, and now Korean. Korean is my project. I’ve only been watching dramas since 2019, and I am recognizing some isolated words, and I can read Hangul phonetically, but because my vocab is less than a newborn child’s, I don’t yet know what the words mean. (BTW Tree With Deep Roots was so wonderful and said such profound things about the power of language. I consider it amazing that it was the women and the poor uneducated who kept it alive until after the war.) At the risk of being a koreaboo, who also still loves their own culture but resents the Americanization of it, I am fascinated with Korean culture.

            I love writing and find dbs an outlet. I detest editing, but I consider it a mark of shame to have a typo in my own writing, although I’ve let it slide on dbs, sometimes. Usually I delete and redo. Having said that I edit my writing obsessively because it helps me find what I’m wanting to say. I’m in awe that you edited scientific papers for Albanian scientists. I edited a dissertation on the history of medicine in Angola for a Portuguese student once. It was hard going. Is it a myth that some people are just good at languages? They are usually good at music and mathematics too. It seems like that to me, while some of us have to take the hard road. Anyway that’s where you’ll find me, toiling uphill on my motor scooter, swotting vocab and sentence structure between deliveries.

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            @jorobertson, one of the things I enjoy learning with new languages is how they “turn a phrase”, and localized slang/idioms. It’s also part of why I do remember bits I do because the word play when roughly translated is amazingly hilarious. (“Hurry, but wait,” is a favorite, and one I can’t recall about where that either doesn’t have a word for no or it’s rude to say no, I forget which. So you get conversations like, “Are you on fire?” “Not just yet.”) I do know a few folks that truly are polyglots, but of them, many also have the opportunity to frequently use the languages they know so they don’t lose bits over time. The others, they might not speak a language in years and have no trouble falling back into it. I am not a true polyglot, but I was amazed at how much French I did remember after not using it for over a decade when I had a short visit in France when I was visiting Europe one time.

            Related, one thing I do have is the “ear” for picking up dialects and accents when with a given community for a time which has caused all manner of interesting situations. I grew up in a resort town and one year in particular, I wound up work with Irish folks on work visas and we hung out a lot outside work as well while they were here, which in this case was hilarious because they were all from different counties, so my “Irish accent” I’d slip into it from hanging around them was a mess. I didn’t even realize this was a thing because they’d never pointed it out until I happened to meet another Irish fellow while I was taking a ferry, and as soon as I heard his accent, my brain kicked into Irish mode and after we had chatted a bit, he paused and said, “I cannot place your accent, what county are ya from?”, and that’s when I had to break the news to him that I was actually an American but had picked up random bits from other Irish folk I’d been working with. His face was priceless after hearing that, especially because I had to force myself to say so without that mangled mess of Irish counties coloring my words, so it was quite clear that I was indeed an American. Similar, in my freshman year at college, when I hung out with a particular group which were all from the Finger Lake area in NY State, and I had no idea I’d picked up the vowel shift that differs from where I grew up in southern NJ until I went back home for Thanksgiving and my family asked why I was talking so weird.😆 Currently, I live in MA where I had lived prior for work and school for short bits. Whenever I talk to a native with the heavy accent for a bit, I do slip into it!

            There was a time I did start learning the Hangul alphabet, and if I go back to the one site where it has a test of what each character is, I’d probably still do pretty well I think. I did download the file so I could type Hangul on the laptop I had then so I could try to actually learn to type words to help me learn, but other things happened and I stopped spending so much time trying to get better at it.

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            @jorobertson, Oh! And about the scientists–one of them was my landlord at the time, the other was his friend. So right place, right time because I typically did not do that sort of specialized work. It was challenging because I had to research a lot to make sure I knew what some words really meant and of course spelling, but it was a great experience!

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            @lilyleftthevalley My second-generation father swore that a Czech phrase he employed to say “oh, you’re full of it” translated as “you talk like a sausage “. It cracks me up just typing that.

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            @bbstl Love it! Thanks for sharing that. 😊 Now I’m trying to remember the Korean idiom that I often see subbed as “You’re blowing air/full of wind”, but I seem to recall someone once saying in a live chat that the rougher translation is “You’re full of **it”. It’s in a few sageuks, but my brain just won’t give it up right now for me to badly Romanize. (Tried to look it up and closest I could find was ba-rahm-eul nuh-da but my brain is rebelling and won’t confirm or deny. Maybe this is a modern variation? Now that would be interesting if so. Translates to “put wind”, as in to help something happen (like helping a boat sail), but can be used in a more negative fashion that something is ridiculous/overblown.)

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😃Crash Landing is even mentioned in the comments!

Tracing Freedom to a Pair of Jeans
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/04/style/north-korean-defector-fashion.html?referringSource=articleShare

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Yay!!! 🥇
At the archery field, a South Korean dynasty of an enchanting ruthlessness
At some future Olympics, someone else might win the gold medal in women’s archery. But not this one.
By Chuck Culpepper

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/07/25/south-korea-womens-archery-olympics/

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WTH? 😮

‘Historical Distortions’ Test South Korea’s Commitment to Free Speech
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/18/world/asia/korea-misinformation-youtube.html?referringSource=articleShare

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More international attention on Korean cultural exports:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/covid-19-couldnt-stop-kpop-global-rise

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NoOOoooooOOOOOooooooOOOOOooooo
When did I become a loan shark??? I wanted to stay on my rooftop enjoying the view! Now I have to go back to work? 💛💸💸💸💛

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    Congratulations! 🍾🎉🎊
    If you have some errands or need a collector just let me know 😎💰💃

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    Congratulations!!! You’ll be rolling in questionable 🤨 unethical money soon! You can have several rooftop rooms!

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      Hmmmmmmm 🤔
      Well, I guess there is that to look forward to!
      And all those lovely print polyester shirts and black suits 🤪

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    Congrats 🎉🎉

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    Congratulations!

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    Curious, I tried to watch that music video and was creeped out within 10 seconds. It’s terrible! How could this ever be more popular than actual artists performing?!

    Reminds me of the Star Trek: Voyager episode (yes, nerd, I know) where the Doctor accidentally introduces singing to aliens on a planet that had no concept of it. He essentially becomes an idol, everyone goes nuts for him…but the aliens have better technology, so they pretty quickly essentially develop their own AI singers and his star fades pretty quickly. It’s all synthetic in the end, but it “panders to the masses” and thus loses the heart and soul of music by performance – which I assume was the point the episode was trying to make. Does seem relevant here!

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    This jangles my ethics alarm bells in a big way, just like deepfake stuff. I’m glad the article actually raises some of those questions. I think what disappoints me about impressive technology sometimes is that it feels like “medication to manage the side effects of the other medication I’m already taking”. In the case of this AI, I wish it actually addressed and did something about toxic fan culture, rather than create something that would be immune to some of the harms of that culture. Uggggghhhhhhhhhhh.

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      That would be so helpful. Maybe it’s in the plans for them 🤞🏼

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Here’s (following post) an email from the nice people at Seoul Selection announcing
Learn Korean Through Kdramas.
I’ve been waiting for that to happen for me for years via osmosis.

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    From: Hank Kim
    Date: May 17, 2021 at 3:08:29 AM CDT
    To: fran , HP Kim
    Subject: … Seoul Selection

    
    Dear Seoul Selection Bookshop clients,

    We are pleased to announce that Learn Korean Through K-Dramas has been published.
    Learn Korean through K-Dramas is a Korean language textbook developed around short scenes from five of the most popular Hallyu K-drama shows aired between 2012 and 2019,

    making the study of the Korean language fun and effective.

    This book comes with QR codes that provide direct links to corresponding YouTube videos, allowing for readers to totally understand the scenes’ language content while watching.

    This book is also entirely written in both English and Korean to enable even beginner Korean language students to make the most out of its content.

    The right-side pages of the book are dedicated to the original K-drama scripts and the left-side pages provide English translations for a convenient learning experience for students of all proficiency levels.

    Please click the link below for an English press release of the book.

    https://blog.naver.com/seoulselection/222349150235

    For a short glimpse of the book, you can see sample pages, or Chapter 1, You Who Came from the Stars (1과 별에서 온 그대)
    I wish all of you stay healthy and start going back soon to normal days that we had before the pandemic.
    Best regards,

    Hank Kim

    Seoul Selection
    Translation | Publishing | Design | SEOUL Magazine
    Website http://www.seoulselection.com
    Book Catalog https://issuu.com/seoulselection/docs/2018-2019_book_catalog
    서울셀렉션 브로슈어 http://issuu.com/seoulselection/docs/seoul_selection_company_brochure
    82-2-734-9567, hankinseoul@gmail.com

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@mmmmm here are pictures of my Tree Peony wilting over the course of about a week.

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    Thank you for the pictures bbstl! They look lovely and HUGE! The color is my fav color -light pink. I suppose it doesn’t have any smell right? One good thing about flowers in colder climate is that the flowers tend to wilt much slower than in warmer climate, but I also noticed that their smells weren’t as strong as our flowers here.

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      These have a pleasant smell but it’s not perfume-y like real peonies. They had a great year this year and were so big I could have worn one for a hat 😆

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    They are such a lovely color.

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      Thank you! It’s my mother’s favorite color 🥰

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    Oh, those flowers 🌸 are lovely bbstl. Such a pretty 🤩 colour and lots of greenery. Peonies are such pretty 🌸🌺🌸🌺🌸

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      I love peonies very much, they are blooming now around here and even the air smells sweeter. Mine is actually a Tree Peony which bloom about a month before regular peonies and don’t need to be staked.

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More interesting commentary on Steven Yuen, Minari and language.

Steven Yeun’s Perfect Accent in “Minari”
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/steven-yeuns-perfect-accent-in-minari

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    So cool! As someone who was born in the US, I have no Vietnamese accent, and have been told I have no discernible accent that anyone can place me in a certain part of the US, even though I should have one. I’ve tried making myself have an accent and absolutely can’t, in any language. But when I went back to VN every told me I spoke in an American accent with my Vietnamese! So there it was, I do have an American accent after all!

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@sirena@mmmmm
After a month of Spring, this is what is looks like in Kansas today (and is headed here, has been snowing here for 5 hours already)

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    That looks magical!

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    Our snow was gone by the time work let out!

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    i love snow!!! but i just put red wiggler worms in my planter barrels where i’ve started sugar peas, beets, leeks… we had a warm past 5 days in the upper 70s…

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    I would not be happy.

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    Some parts of Canada (especially the province that I reside in) are said to be getting snow by the weekend

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    The pic looks lovely!

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    It looks like a fairy tale’s scene bbstl. It looks amazing to me though I’m sure you’d prefer not having any snow now. Will this affect the blooms? I’d be sad it the snow affects the flowers.

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      Hi @mmmmm, I didn’t answer you because I was waiting to see what happened after the snow. Amazingly, all the flowers and flowering trees here are fine! Today it will be over 80F and that will probably do them much more harm because they will burn up ☹️

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        Oh no.. 🙁 it’s such a shame if that happens. The flowers have been so gorgeous… will they wilt right away?

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          They will wilt after about two days of heat over 80, mostly because they’re reaching the end of their life spans already anyway. Because it’s been cool for a long time, we’ve had longer than usual to enjoy them this year.
          And then we will start having summer flowers!

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            Ohh summer flowers already? 😀 how nice. Now I want to see those soon though I still want to enjoy the spring flowers a little bit longer.

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Oops, too many pictures! Here are more.

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    These pictures are beautiful!

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    BBSTL I LOVE these pics ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️.
    The flowers and houses are so lovely it’s like in a fairy tale! Like in heaven 👼

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      I can literally be in that garden the whole day! And many days in a roll!

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        That third photo is kind of a cheat, that’s really the best garden in the neighborhood! I’ve watched that lady develop her garden for decades. Every year, I wait for her wisteria.

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@sirena here are some of the flowers and trees that are blooming here now.

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    They are lovely!

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    So beautiful! We’re heading into winter and I miss flowers 🌸

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      Funnily enough (not really 🙁) it is predicted to SNOW here today on all these gardens! I am entertaining my neighbors by covering the big pink flowers (tree peony) with a lovely mint green cat print sheet 🤦🏼‍♀️ That will probably draw more attention than the plant 🤣

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    Bbstl can you please tag me also when you post flower pics? I love flowers so much I always dream of having a house full of flowers. (I’m making that happen nowadays.) Flowers lift up my spirit.

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    Gorgeous!

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