Beanie level: Eunuch in drag

“Once you overcome the one-inch tall barrier of subtitles, you will be introduced to so many more amazing films.” Bong Joon-ho, quoted from a Golden Globes acceptance speech back in January 2020.

The above quote occurred to me as I noticed that Netflix has dubbed the King’s Affection in English and perhaps other languages. I appreciate that some visually challenged viewers who cannot read any subtitles, might wish to listen to the dubbed versions.

Notwithstanding such requirements, the dubbed version is a mindfcuk (deliberately misspelt). Yikes.

Are there other shows that are already dubbed or is this a test run aiming to become a regular thing with some shows including KDramas?

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    All Netflix Originals have dubs in many languages, and many of the more popular shows (Vincenzo, IOTNBO) got dubs some time after the show finished, I think.

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    My favorite Oscar speech is when Kazuhiro Tsuji thanked his cats 😸👏🏽

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    I can’t recall what K show/movie I first found dubbed instead of subbed, but I HATED IT with the passion of a thousand suns and didn’t make it more than 5 minutes of watching because I was too used to the actual voices of the actors in question so my brain was crying a river and quickly breaking down over the disconnect. 😵

    That said, yes, it’s nice to have the dubs for hearing impaired folks.

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      @Lily left the valley: You said it. I missed the actual voices of the actors too. Big time.

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    is there any other way to watch movies than in original language? dubbing is for babies like cartoons and stuff. do grown up not know how to read in America?

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      @redfox – I am only prepared to cut sight and hearing challenged individuals slack regarding the use of dubbing. Everyone else, as you said, should grow up and get used to subs or learn other languages.

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        One funny disconnect with subs when you’ve inadvertently picked up some of the “foreign” language: you’re reading along as you’re listening when your brain suddenly halts and screams,”THAT’S NOT WHAT THEY SAID!!!!” And you have to go back, listen/read again…and you realize you’re right. 😂

        This is always exciting but so distracting at the same time to me.

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      @redfox, to your question related to reading, there is also the dyslexia issue. I know some folks that have it, which is why I also know that reading subs can be seriously challenging. Pause buttons are definitely needed at times–even when the dialog isn’t very rapid/overlapping. This can make group watches a bit jarring.

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        @Lily left the valley – I had overlooked this issue. Thank you for mentioning it.

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    I already dislike Netflix’s subtitles, now dubs…

    This also remined that the first kdramas we (me and my family) saw were dubbed (in spanish) and well… lol.

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I have been watching some JDramas including a few BL ones (at least one was more ML rather than BL but whatever😂) and have really enjoyed some of them. One is called “My beautiful Man” (BL is also an ironic classification here given the title) and has a very problematic otaku and tsundere abusive dynamic which is sold as love. Notwithstanding this little nightmare scenario, the main leads Riku Hagiwara and Yusei Yagi are truly mesmerising. Though, poor Riku’s hideous bowl cut is a crime against humanity in general.

After watching their all too brief but steamy make out session at the end of the series, I thought to myself that it was the healthiest part of their unfortunate relationship.

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    What were the nice ones? 🙂

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      My absolute fave is: My love mixup – Just lovely, emotional and interesting BL with well rounded young male and female characters who are young but understand kindness and empathy.
      Mood Indigo (BL) – quirky and quite explicit in parts (The Korean shows certainly are far less so). But there was strong chemistry between the adult leads and quite well acted.
      Bewitched by my sexy boyfriend – not BL and quirky (so many of them) but the male lead was really fun for me to watch not just because he is very attractive but because he is a manual laborer who is fetishized by this well to do young woman with a somewhat bizarre family.

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        Thanks, I’ve watched Kieta Hatsukoi e Mood Indigo.

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Looking forward to Woobie’s comeback.

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    Apologies for not recognising him/her, would you plz tell me? I’ve always wondered who this is on your profile pic!

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      @unniunni– Nomapology necessary at all. It is kim Woobin taken when he grew his hair after his cancer treatment ended. I loved it so much as long hair suits him to a T and it was a gorgeous B&W shot.

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        please forgive my typo. My Ipad is newish but the keyboard has never worked properly.

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        Ofc it’s gorgeousz it’s deep!
        Is he well now? I just found out when I ran a reversed image search, he’s to come in a drama this year around April, ‘my blues’!?!

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          @unniunni – Isn’t it just such a gorgeous pic? It is soulful too.
          Fortunately, he announced that he was ok again. I so hope the cancerwill not recur.

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    An interesting read. It is important to take a balanced approach and to learn as much as we can. I like reading the Korean newspapers in English every now and again to try for a more grounded approach to the culture. It’s only a small step, but it makes me realise how many dramas are riffing on real life contemporary issues. The last sentence is the most important, *Don’t lose your own sense of self, ask questions, and always read the fine print.*

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      @jorobertson: HNY. I hope you have been well and had some leave to enjoy our circumscribed summer.
      Re the article, I agree but I also recognise that KDramas are populated by supremely talented and good looking people who are a tiny fraction of the population creating fictional worlds so important not to romanticise a living, thriving culture that I am learning about as a supportive and well-wishing outsider. I am really glad that you highlighted the closing sentence. It is a fitting and salutary advice.

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        My first drama was Mr Sunshine and it made me read about the Righteous Army and then the Korean history of invasions and then Korean Culture. Part of my interest comes out of guilt. I had a “global” project and I totally left out Korea because in my baleful ignorance, it did not hold a place in my imagination. Oh shame. Once I began to understand what creativity came from the country, even since then, I’ve been “making up for it”. I guess the article is talking about people who try to be Korean, who turn their backs on their own culture and try to look like and act like Koreans. From what I’ve heard and seen Korean-born Koreans rarely easily accept foreigners, so “becoming” Korean is a hopelessly lost enterprise. I love my own country even though I am critical of it. (I live in a country where I have that freedom). I’m happy in my own skin. But I enjoy kcultural production so much more than much of what is produced elsewhere. I’m not sure how much that’s going to change anytime soon.

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          @jorobertson – Totally agreed. I really appreciated reading your sincere and thoughtful comment.
          Btw, Based on our previous chats, I had assumed you were an Aussie like me so just wanted to explain why I referred to ‘our summer’. You probably thought I was odd!😂

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    The article really gave me pause. Like, there’s a thin line we’re threading
    here as fans, between loving some media products made in SK, and being koreaboos who believe that they really know the culture because they consume pop media products.

    And there’s also the line between admiring actors’ looks, and fetishizing Korean people in general.

    I guess it’s a question of common sense. Like, believing kdramas give us knowledge of SK culture and reality is just like believing Gray’s Anatomy is a great way to learn about real life in the US – or that the people in front of the cameras look like the average US citizen. Some general knowledge of the way of life and culture will definitely be sipped through these shows, but they obviously aren’t a reliable source.
    Talking about my personal experience, I love dramas and kpop songs and artists, and I have a lot of fun sharing this love. But I have some boundaries while doing this – I try to be respectful of people and not to make assumptions about individuals based on their public persona/ the characters they play. Also, I stay away from political discussions – like the recent one about Snowdrop – because I really don’t have enough knowledge to form an opinion.
    But I do get it how some people end up feeling so fascinated that they loose the plot and start to idealise SK. In the end, we’re all human and sometimes do stupid and creepy stuff

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      And I think it’s important to talk about these things among us, here in our DB community. Being a fan without being appropriative, without fetishizing, a fan that doesn’t pressure entertainers into unhealthy behaviours, a fan that reflects about their role in this economic ecosystem. All these things are worth bringing up
      without judging, because that’s the only way we can do things better and have a positive impact on this industry we enjoy so much

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      I agree with your thoughtful comment except about the politics angle as I feel really strongly for emancipatory movements worldwide including the démocratisation struggle in SK, have read extensively about its politics and understand it much better. Having said that, I still interrogate myself often about my reactions, responses and even comments that I make here and discuss it with a close Korean friend who is my sounding board.

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        I was talking about myself – I really don’t know what is going on there politically, so I prefer not to get involved instead of saying misinformed nonsense. But if you read and can discuss it with Korean people, then you are right to support local movements!

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          I greatly appreciate your capacity for reflection and your thoughtfulness.

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Female protagonists who I have loved watching in 2021:
Kim Dami’s complex, tender, strong, vulnerable, intelligent and brave Kook Yeonsu in Our Beloved Summer
Han Hyojoo’s Yoon Saebom in Happiness.
Park Eunbin’s I Hwi/Damyi in the King’s Affection
I Seuoung’s Deokim in the Red Sleeve
Park Minyoung’s Shin Chaekyung in Queen for 7 days
Yeom Hye-ran as Chaekyung\’s nursemaid In Queen for 7 days
Park Min-young as Chae Young-shin/Oh Ji-an in Healer
Won Jinah’s Ha Moonsoo in Just Between Lovers
Kim Minjung’s Lee Yang-hwa / Kudo Hina in Mr Sunshine
Jeon So-nee as the young version of Yoon Jisoo in When my heart blooms
Na Moonhee as Jeong Sookhee in Just Between Lovers
Esom as Woo Suji in Because this is my first Life

Please share any of yours if you wish! Thanks!

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    I see BTIMFL and I click like

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    Bu Jung from Human Disqualification, she was my only favourite FL in 2021dramas!

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    Choi Kanghee and Lee Ree as Bahn Hani in Hello: Me
    Moon Sori as Dang Jayoung in On the Verge of Insanity
    Jeon Yeobeen as Hong Chayoung in Vincenzo (still watching that one)
    I share several of the ones you mention, specially Kook Yeonsoo, Yoon Saebom

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    My top 3 female leads of 2021 are from the shows Yumi’s Cells, One the Woman and Happiness.
    But I also love the FLs -in some cases all the women- from:

    Please don’t date him (loved the three girls)
    Sweden Laundry
    Run On (loved both FLs)
    The Fiery Priest (loved all the girls)
    Protect the Boss (loved all the girls)
    Sell your Haunted House
    Never Twice
    Mad For Each Other
    Law School (loved all the girls)
    My Roomie is a Gumiho (both girls)
    Mine (because of this show, now I want to have two moms lol)
    You Are My Spring
    The Devil Judge (best villainess of 2021)
    Racket Boys (the ML’s mom)
    Flower of Evil (I rewatched it so it counts, right?)

    I really loved Deok Im until the writer… *sigh*

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      @enriquequierecagar: Thanks for jotting these down! I agree with you re the writer’s sabotage of Deokim’s rightful place in the story. I am going to hold a grudge over that travesty.
      I will also look for what you have included.

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        Same, I’m not forgetting what the writer of that show did any time soon.

        Btw, I really like your list! Jeong Sook Hee from JBL and Woo Su Ji from BTIMFL are awesome characters.

        Omo, I totally forgot about NJ from OBS. Ung’s mom too!

        Oh, and I just added “Queen for 7 days” to my watchlist.

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          @enriquequierecagar– You are among my favourites on this site. I love getting recommendations, engaging in funny, sad and happy discussions about profound and not so profound issues. I adore Queen for 7 days. It sure has some common KDrama tropes but also has a conflicted/reluctant king who unlike San is capable of profound reflection (on issues beyond his own divine ordination) and knows how to apologise even when circumstances thwart his best intentions. Both main leads give soulful and deeply moving performances.

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            Aw, thank you ^^

            That’s all I need! I’ll like a king that listens and tries to be better. And I’ll love a king that knows how to apologize (especially to the person he claims to “love”). A king that doesn’t use his title to disrespect others is a king that I’m looking foward to see.

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            @enriquequierecagar: ☺️ – Just a heads up that there is another King also who is mostly a horror show. I just didn’t want you to start watching and thinking that I had misled you.

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          @dncingemma Don’t worry about it ^^
          Thanks for the heads up!

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I am going to host a Beanie party when Woobie’s new stuff comes out. I love his acting so much and feel for all the pain and sorrow that he has gone through in the last few years.

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Did I mention how much I dig Junho with that eye makeup?😂😘🥰

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#14: I was so hoping (turned out in vain) that the dreaded “Subway’ product placement won’t find its way into Our Beloved Summer. It was awkward, extremely cringeworthy and tonally dissonant.

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    I’m really bothered by all these relentless “Subway” ppl for how many years now – 4 or 5 years solidly. They should have clearly established in Korea by now. Please when they can let go us, the poor audience.

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    We will never be released from the clutches of the subway industrial complex. We must accept our great sandwich overlords or suffer the consequences – more cringe PPL.

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    I found it funny, tbh. So out of the blue and useless.

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With a h/t to @neener: A recent dancing Yoona and Junho. Juhno should always wear that eye makeup imo. This dance is both cheesy and hot. How could that be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdKVGglp8c

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    It’s Junho’s superpower: turning hot things that otherwise wouldn’t be hot (a while back I made several GIFs of him sporting granny cardigans just to illustrate this point 😂)

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      Yep.😂🥰😘

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      Are said granny cardigan GIFs on your wall? Just in case, you know, you need someone to check that they’re still there or something…😏

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      Oh, the good old days of granny cardigan. He had the red and blue version. He can turn anything hot. The power of this man.

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    I didn’t like this outfit (it reminded me of It’s Ok or not stage and I didn’t really liked it), and also not a fan of the dance (kpop is not the best style for a Latino song, they were dancing amazingly good, but it just didn’t fit), but you can only say they are amazing together.

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      I don’t like shiny suits even if worn on stage.

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        @flyingcolours: Hello! Have a great day and take care!

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          Thanks and the same to you! My day is almost finished, I’m already winding down and fiddling with my phone while I watch Vincenzo (it’s great, but episodes are soooo long)

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            @ Great to hear. Enjoy!
            Btw, which region are you in if you are willing to tell me? No worries if you don’t. We are all earthlings, right?😂

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            No biggie, I’m in Spain. You’re in Australia, right? So that means you’re living in the future 😉 Have a great day!

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With a h/t to eazal who posted the interview with a historian regarding I San/King Jeongju’s reign and the paucity of info on the character upon whom Deokim was ‘based’ on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc8y8-quJ58

Please also read eazal’s comments: https://www.dramabeans.com/2022/01/team-dramabeans-what-were-watching-295/?nid=3704944&nidwpc=3925150#ready-comment-3925150

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I try not to objectify beautiful men but I fail at times. This was one such instant:

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    Lee Jong -suk post military duty ripped body

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      And that long hair. It should be a crime to cut that hair. No more bowl haircuts!

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      That is Lee Jong Suk?!?!? I never would’ve recognize him! I always thought he was handsome before but in more of an impish, waif-like way. This is a totally different look and I’m LOVING it 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

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        I totes agree. My friend said the same thing. This photo is a work of art! I hope he doesn’t go back to his usual frame and look.

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      @owl: I /ahem/had to look up his bio and it said he was designated as a public service officer (due to a previous injury) which I assume isn’t a combat training role? Would he still have to run around the proverbial yard with a heavy object over his head atoning for being beautiful? I bet that’s how he developed those arm muscles😂😂😂

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    @I have belatedly realised why I find this photo so overwhelming. The closed mouth look is not goofy where he looks slightly jokerish when smiling (pardon me for saying so!). This dreamy look just floors me. /Stop it Em – I am blaming all of this on my insomnia – as I think I am almost delirious😂😭.

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    Ok. It grieves me to write this but a Korean friend who is a photographer just told me that this pic looks like it might have been shopped as the angle of the muscles in the arms didn’t look right to them. They also said in their general view, Korean men don’t develop such muscle definition easily and relatively quickly. Is there a photoshopping micro-scandal here or is it a combo of clever rotation of the torso, lighting, body make up, etc? Oy vey. I will hold my peace from now on.

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One of the (most)irritating characters in KDrama for me was Jung Yootaek played by Tae Inho in Just Between Lovers which I only saw recently.
That terrible archetypal chaebol heir who screams every second sentence. Aaargh. I hated that character with a passion for the majority of the run time, and then could barely stand him. (As soon as I realised to my horror that I started yelling at my screen in frustration, I shut down that behaviour!) I wish this kind of character dies off as soon as possible as there is no need for a constantly screaming and raging egotist to portray what pernicious and awful characters these kinds of people truly are. Quiet menace is much more effective in a dramatic context imo.

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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS66UqtFVjj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link: Please watch this interview with Jung Hawon “about the latest wave on the women in feminism in South Korea”.

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Mr Sunshine (2018) was the second KDrama I ever watched this year. I loved it because it had a political theme & showed the sacrifices of the Korean people through the Righteous Army. & Goo Dongmae

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    He and Hina were the only reason I finished the drama.

    Yoo Yeon Seok is always amazing in everything he does.

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      Thanks for mentioning Hina. I ran out of permissible word count otherwise would have mentioned her. She was glorious: brave, analytical, tormented and determined. I so wanted Goo Dongmae to reciprocate her affection but alas. And, yes to your point re YYS. His transformation into the character was dazzling given everything else I have seen him in since.

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        If you want to write more than 200 words, write elsewhere (an email, a comment…) and then using your mouse copy and paste and don’t touch the keyboard. You will be able to write longer posts.

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The first western film that I have wanted to see in more than 8 months of KDrama/film enchantment.
https://youtu.be/0pmfrE1YL4I

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    I prefered the songs in the French version.

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      I agree. The songs were so wonderful.
      Je vole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKyQWaY1So

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        Je vole had so much meaning in this scene, it was really a strong scene.

        I grew up with Michel Sardou’s songs, so it was kind nostalgic to watch it 😛

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          I have been studying French for the last 8 years on and off so love French singer recommendations so thank you. Another old school singer whose songs I mostly love is Charles Aznavour. I cried buckets watching his funeral, especially when the non-Armenian French singer sang this Armenian song as farewell to him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCDGxSklXek

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            How brave! I would never have learnt French if it hadn’t been my native language…

            Charles Aznavour was an incredible singer. I love Emmenez-moi.

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            It is a work in progress. I love it but the grammar is hard! I am much better at reading and comprehension than speaking as don’t get much practice at all. I had the luxury of doing a French course in Bordeaux in 2018 and I loved it so much but since then I feel that I have regressed.

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            I love Emmenez-moi too. So much.

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            A language is quickly forgotten if we do not practice, it’s frustrating.

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    @kurama rightly reminded me that this is based on a lovely French film with a gorgeous sound track called La Famille Bélie.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Famille_Bélier

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An exception for the lovely Keanu: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a38241136/keanu-reeves-interview-2021/

Also watch the clip. He seems and by all accounts so decent and sweet.

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    Thank you for this. The stories and statistics are shocking. Kdrama appears to be doing next to nothing to bring these issues to light, it occurs to me.

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      bbstl, I completely agree with you. Really heartbreaking. Art can be such a powerful medium for education and like you, I believe it should bring such an important issue to light and mediate national discussions. This predatory, abusive and disgusting issue also caught my eye “ Of particular note is the fact that South Korea is suffering from a rapid increase in spycam crimes, the illegal secret filming also known as “molka”.

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        Gosh, I thought I read they had gotten a handle on that a few years ago. Ugh. It must be because there are no real consequences. Honestly, what are people (really, men) thinking?

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          It is an infuriating as well as a sad reminder that toxic, abusive and predatory behaviour while not exclusively committed by men, is universally largely committed by them against women in a number of different contexts. May one day we stop these crimes.

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How gorgeous are these B&W photos of the 200 female & male Korean actors?

https://theactorispresent.kr/

Side-eyeing the inclusion of Lee Minho & leaving Kim Woobin (or Woobie to me🥰😊)

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    Thank you for sharing this!

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      Pleasure! I loved seeing these so much so thought just in case any Beanies haven’t seen them, here they are!

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    I know a woman who went to NYC to see this exhibit live and she won a book with all these pictures and their bios! She picked it up at the Consulate’s building a couple weeks ago!

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    Looks like 200 is not enough xD

    On the top of my head, Gong Yoo, Jung Yumi, Shin Minha, Lee Dongwook, Kim Jaewook, Kim Sohyun and many more xD

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    I don’t know what the criteria was but that had some weird inclusions and exclusions.

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