Beanie level: Errand boy

Nam Dosan is not representative of youth…that’s insulting to all the rajor sharp, focused young adults in tech who don’t fight infront of their office building over a girl! #StartUp

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Saw this floating on twitter ….what a wasted opportunity! #StartUp

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    This would be my first choice. Those two as first leads and more character for In Jae, and not as a punching bag for Dal Mi.
    Do San and Dal Mi could be the cute second leads. I would love this version so much more.

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      The drama that would have been.
      I would have loved it.
      A lot.

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Ji Pyeong, In Jae and even Alex are somewhat real characters…they are grey, not black or white…also you\’re mentor is neither your therapist nor supposed to coddle you, period! #StartUp

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    That made me smile since I grew up in the work days of “the only things you’re going to hear about are what you did wrong”. Pull yourself together, kids!

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      Not that extreme nowadays, you get appreciated but a good dose of humiliation exists especially if you embarass/cross the wrong people! But addressing mental health issue still sort of is a slippery slope. HR/managers don’t know in most places how to handle it. Things definitely could change for better there.

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If you\’re not gonna address mental health issues that contributes to self harm/suicide, highlight it with the sensitivity it requires, then don\’t fucking use it as a plot decice #StartUp

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    I’m really mad at this.
    A perfectly sane person doesn’t jump in Han River because someone told him/her some awful words. I should have died many, many times, then.

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      I am not saying, Ji Pyeong shouldn’t be kinder to others but they treated that suicide plotline in the most crass and callous way possible.

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        I agree.

        You know, I thought it was a plotline, handled in a crass and callous manner, meant to lead to personal growth for JP. But it seems like it was just a plot point to give Yong San a reason to stop JP from calling Dal Mi and DS.

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In Jae is back in her cameo role and Dal Mi wants to work with her…while In Jae was true to her core beliefs…this came too late #StartUp but better late than never

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Also that fight between Do San and Ji Pyeong made me glad that I never truly stanned Do San … that was cringe and embarrassing #StartUp Dal Mi deserves better

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Do San is going to Bay Area…nobody in their right mind cried because they are going to Bay Area…I rolled my eyes so hard #StartUp

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Yong San, I wanted to beat him bloody today…that whiny, pathetic bitch…I am glad Ji Pyeong stood his ground #StartUp

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Are you telling me those smarter than average human beings bozos signed a contract without thoroughly reading it and vetting it with a lawyer??? #StartUp

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    DalMi really sucks as CEO.
    This episode was so disappointing… from dad entering the DemoDay and attacking InJae to make her again the evil sister, to the Samoan office meeting discussing a project that they can’t even start with until their contract is due, and boy. The world can change a lot in three years, to the Sans refusing JiPyeong’s help just because he’s evil (let me roll my eyes while I sigh at him being blamed for the suicide and DoSan making absurd things again for a girl), to the final: I won’t make a lawyer read this contract…

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    I think it kinda makes sense actually. Cause while they are really smart when it comes to coding and technology, like Ji Pyeong kept telling them since the beginning, they don’t really have a sense for business. It was always pointed out how they didn’t really have a business plan.

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    This part really got me ??? I mean I can forgive them for not catching on with the unwritten terms of the contract (Sa Ha is a lawyer and has reviewed the contract). It’d be due diligence at least to consult with an industry insider to check for the industry practices when it comes to this big of an acquisition. If not Ji Pyeon, maybe at least someone else knowledgeable??? But it’s a show and they need it to keep to story going so ok. lol

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Me after 11 episodes of #StartUp giving us only handful of Kang Hanna each episode ….. Girl, never ever work with this writer/PD team every again.

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    is it the first time perhaps where all the viewers are like “Im routing for the second lead female!!!”
    im frustrated too. I was so hoping for a meaty storyline but noooo.
    she needs her own fanfic

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    I just can’t understand why they are doing this to her character.
    Today, again, she was treated so mean by DalMi… and then DoSan dad making a fuss… when he refused to meet her when she wanted to give him an explanation… and then he shows in her Demo Day just to demonise her.
    I’ll tell you something: she would have never signed that contract with Alex. Even if she didn’t know it herself, she would have given it to a lawyer. She’s a real CEO and I just can’t understand how it was possible for SamSan Tech to win DemoDay.
    Ah! Just because writer hace decided so, like so many other things that don’t make sense,

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Start Up seriously does these sappy shit that nobody asked for…that whole stunt with Do San\’s father was unnecessary…..nobody asked for it.

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    Aww, I quite liked that scene. I was a bit annoyed at his protests in previous episodes but what he said here about the speed of change made me finally understand where he was coming from and empathize a bit more with his point of view.

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      I agree with you. I thought the whole point of him entering the Demo Day and caused a scene wasn’t necessary, but I liked the message he tried to convey about the ideal pace for innovation.

      Besides, he is also a plot device to show us that now he’s approved of FL. If the first reason above isn’t convincing, this one has to be 🥂.

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        It could’ve been done without needless dragging In Jae into the midst of it, establishing the second point.

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          You know the drama rule: In order to highlight how good one is, you need a comparison.

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      We have to touchbase with reality from time-to-time. I’m in the IT industry and this is a struggle even for my colleagues and I… more so to those like Dosan’s dad. They are also of the advanced age. Pivoting to another career and developing new skills are very challenging for them.

      Plotwise this was supposed to be Injae’s ‘growth’ moment but it didn’t land very well.

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        Growth moment for In Jae? How? The lady graciously accepted her not winning the investment and ended up looking like she is more focused than ever to work towards her goal. I am glad she pointed out the double standard of him targeting her over his son who is in the same field and gave good answers. But that’s not growth, she has always been pretty eloquent and business savvy. It was meant to somehow reconcile father and son, In Jae was a plot device.

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          Director Yoon commented that Injae found her “Why”.

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            You know that ain’t ‘It’ they wanted to establish but they tried. Poorly written.

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      I understood and agreed with what he was saying, but hated it as a plot device because (1) He should not have been allowed to cause a scene and then stay (2) I thought In Jae was absolutely right to point out that his son was in the same field but by doing so, she was once again labeled as underhanded (3) In Jae supposedly found her “why” responding to him, but then Dal-mi came, referenced that in a way that was meant to compare herself to In Jae in a more favorable light.

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        The whole thing was a weak ass plot device to elevate Dal Mi and Do San…maybe, this is good….maybe In Jae can find a global partner a different way

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        I really hate your (3) because it’s so true. That moment when she used this to highlight how different her project is from her sister’s it’s just mean to say the least. Actually, I found Dal-mi very unlikable in this episode with regard to how she viewed and treated her sister. Let’s be honest here, it wasn’t her sister fault to choose to be with the mother, and neither was hers for choosing the father. By trying to feel that she was the one who was right makes her look vengeful and not nice.

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          Has DalMi been anything but mean to her sister so far? I have a very clear answer to that.

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            I mean but has her sister ever not been mean to DM? They both did that to each other really.

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            @amy1009 you have an extraordinary memory (I tend to forget the episodes as I saw them), as you were the one who reminded me JiPyeong followed DalMi the first day they met as adults. But so far I can remember DalMi always being mean to InJae. True, InJae hasn’t been kind to her either, but imo, it was only to pay her rudeness back (which is not ok). I really hated in this episode the fact that both DalMi and halmoni have sort of “forgotten” because she’s had a hard life in her second marriage, but both of them are so hard on InJae.

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            @eazal I agree. I didn’t mean to say she is all bad. She is amazingly competent. They really wasted her potential. Really it’s always sfl’s who get the short end of the stick. I see nothing wrong with the choice she made to choose her mother. And yes both the grandmother and Dal mi should have given consideration to her. That’s really something I didn’t like. I can understand the sister’s rivalry but how could grandma not have cared about In Jae at all while she is even shown to care about her daughter in law? We can’t really put all the blame on In Jae. Some choices she made were wrong yes but so did DM.

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    It was totally unnecessary, and besides, even if he has a point and is right… he is shouldn’t be targeting InJae. Her company is the one who has developed the app, she’s not the owner of the company who hires him and pays his wages. He’s putting all the responsibility of his future in one person that is not the main reason he will be fired.
    As much as Kim Won Hae acting was top notch (when it’s not?), I was 🙄🙄🙄🙄

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      Actually this side plot is the final straw for me , along with all the wrong business lessons touted by the show just to elevate the OTP’s romance. The company who bought the tech is the employer and they are the ones who had the obligation to take care of the employees being replaced.

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        Now you got me at wrong business lessons. I was thinking I was learning something- a lot of things regarding start-ups from the show. Are you saying that some of them are invalid?

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          I wouldn’t take any of the business aspect seriously….I really wouldn’t…they did surface level, minimum research so its best to just enjoy it as what it is, a romance drama set around start up.

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          I know nothing about Start-ups but I really don’t think you can create a complete model business in three months. Even if you already have the AI tech, I can hardly imagine 5 people working together for the first time being able to launch a complete product in two months. It’s nuts and very unreal.

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            Right. My sis who worked in a tech start-up also told me that for the sake of the show they included everything that a start-up MIGHT face in a span of 3-5 years to a 16-ep show.

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    Poor In Jae had both of her presentations hi-jacked..

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Yep, I am on board 100% both for tge show and the ship #NoTouchPrincess #Mr.Queen #ShinHyeSun #KimJungHyun

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That \’Rona, Corona\’ kid in Penthouse, I was half hoping she does fall down the railing and we are spared from hearing this entitled brat from screeching in our ears for the rest of its run #PentHouse

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    It’s to the point where anyone ….. or, let’s be honest, everyone in that school ….. could’ve fallen over the railing and we would’ve been ok with it. Am I right?

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      The thing us, every single kid in that school coming from rich background have entitled, shitty parents. In Ro-Na’s case, Yeon Hee has done her best and she is kind, honest lady trying her best for most parts. So, her shittiness seems quite amplified to those bullies and mostly to her mother. She didn’t know Min Seol Ah but she seemed genuinely gleeful that she is dead. But yes, any number of those brats could roll over the railing and I frankly, probably would have clapped.

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I hope Kang Hana was paid a heck of a lot of money for #StartUp….otherwise what\’s the point of choosing this drama ….weekend and daily dramas do more justice to their key characters in comparison!

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    I think they even did her makeup to be cold and unattractive compared to past roles like Designated Survivor.

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      I actually find her makeup to be on point, she looks sharp and savvy like how I see the people on upper management dress up usually. She is pretty on point there.

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    Agree! I hope they give more screen time in the next episodes.

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      We’ve been longing for more screen time since episode 10. We are heading episodes 11-12 and I have the feeling she will never stop being the evil sister until DalMi redeems her. It’s such a waste of a character…

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        I really want to go and shake Kang Hanna and ask her why she chose this stupid ass script…there’s nothing in the script even remotely interesting in terms of her character….its better to play a straight up villain than whatever they have done with In Jae

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They deserved the best vocals at the year end music awards, I said what I said.

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Private Lives is by far the biggest disappointment…..good concept, well balanced cast wasted on a show that doesn\’t know what it wants to say and terrible script

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    Totally agree. I watched ep9 yesterday and I have no idea what I was watching

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    It is missing momentum. Seems languid. Zzzzzzz, but I’m still watching.

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    Was watching Ep7 on 1.5x and it dawned on me, why am I doing this? So I just quit the show despite how much I wanted to support GKP. I just can’t. I’m shallow but not that shallow.

    #it’snotmeit’syou,show

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Min Seol Ah was such a pitiful child, why did they kill her? #PentHouse

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    Her death was a nightmare I really wish the and we can all wake up from.
    I’ll take anything drama throws at me if it’s to bring her back miraculously!

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      I’d take a resurrection without question….this is a Makjang anyway.

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I know everybody idolizes Dal Mi\’s dad but if Mom abandoned Dal Mi, then her dad didn\’t fight for In Jae…how does that make him better? They were both shitty parents to the child of their choosing.

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    At least the dad was working harder so he can bring both of them back and he died before that could happen but what did mom do for 15 years? She couldn’t even be a proper mom to the daughter she took with her.

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      Yeah, I think it’s strongly implied that he was fighting for both In-jae and mom, in his own way. He was trying to address the problem in their marriage that created the rift in the first place by earning money. The dude made his mistakes, but at least he was trying.

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        Trying is not enough. He was delusional. She had already remarried and still he wanted to get the family together. It’s not “I’ll fix my life and we’ll live happy ever after”. You have to do something to make things work.
        And maybe dad was trying… but even if I love deeply halmoni… she gave up on InJae. How about that?

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          So a few things:

          1.) As I recall, Dal-mi and In-jae were still meeting up regularly until around dad’s death. It was at the last meeting that In-jae disclosed mom’s remarriage IIRC. If that’s correct, then she was probably only recently remarried. So there’s a strong possibility that dad never even knew about the remarriage.

          2.) There’s a qualitative difference between a parent not trying as hard to look after a child that’s in the custody of another parents vs a parent who ignores a child whose custodial parent has died.

          3.) As I recall, In-jae was the one who severed ties first. So Halmeoni can hardly be blamed here. Also, recall that In-jae was still with mom. So it makes sense that Halmeoni was more concerned for Dal-mi, the child whose custodial parent had passed away and whose other parent does not seem to have tried to gain custody after the initial custodial parent passed away.

          4.) Intentions matter a lot. Yeah, trying isn’t everything, but it means a lot, especially compared with the parent (i.e. mom) who didn’t try at all. I’m not saying he’s off the hook, but I’m much more inclined to be kind to him than to mom.

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            In Jae was a child, you guys are treating her as a full adult and putting the entire weight of the situation of keeping, maintaining a health relationship across geographical distance squarely on a child’s shoulder, a 13 year old child….she was a child who lived with her mom…I frankly found her dad to be completely delusional in the way you described that he tried, his ex-wife remarried, she didn’t start living with another man outside of marriage…Halmoni doesn’t seem remotely attached to In Jae…If the relationship wasn’t charted out, I would assume she has no nlood ties to In Jae. Frankly speaking, that’s fine…uneven attachments exist in family dynamics….the adults in this drama are weird even by that standard quite frankly…that includes Halmoni…I don’t get her apath and her absolute lack of sentimental attachment to In Jae jarring…I don’t blame her but since she was the adult in the equation, I don’t blame In Jae either.

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            I mean I don’t think I’m blaming In-jae anywhere in my comment. I’m saying it’s unfair to put dad or halmeoni at the level of mom.

            And, again, I think the timeline suggests that mom only remarried around the final meeting between In-jae and Dal-mi as children, which I believe was on or around the day of dad’s death. So, while unrealistic, I don’t think dad was “delusional”.

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            I agree with you on all these points; at least that is my feelings I got from watching the show. I also believed that dad didn’t know about his ex-wife second marriage before he got into that fatal accident. That was supposedly why he tried that hard for that pitching instead of going to the hospital. I also felt like I understand both parties, I’d say mom is quite a superficial woman; she wants dad to be the head of family in terms of finance so when he couldn’t live up to that she decided to fly away. Dad was the one trying to bring the family back regardless of how naive his attempts might seem.

            I also think I understood why the sisters couldn’t bond again after all those years and how In-Jae and halmoni didn’t keep contact; In-jae has been with her mother who left her son to die. Again, no matter how unreasonable this might sound, I think she had the right to feel that way. The reason In-jae became indifferent to Dal-mi was because of the environment she was living in. It’s pretty clear if we look at how her stepdad treats her even nowadays. In-jae is a confident woman who hates to lose because she is confident in herself. At the time she was trying to survive and learn everything so she could be successful in the future. That came before her sister who’s living a total different life from her. She hates to admit that she might have chosen it incorrectly, so she’s always been trying to put her sister down because of the insecurity she has.

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            There was a time lapse between the events of In Jae leaving and her father dying. So, he knew about the marriage and he agreed to the custody arrangement. And Halmoni makes no sense to me, like zero. It would make more sense if they had shown In Jae and Dal Mi to be half sisters. The relationships are odd.

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    It was so unreal. For me 🤔

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I am tired of every show pretending that billionaire tech moguls do it for social work and goodness of heart, they fucking don\’t…so can we please have a leading lady who is realistic #StartUp

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    I mean I think it’s not so simple? Having spent a lot of time with people who’ve worked in start-ups (including people who’ve started reasonably successful businesses), I think lots of tech innovators do decide to pursue a project because of its impact. That’s not to say they don’t want money or renown; it’s just that they also really do think they’re working on things that are important, that will help society.

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      And what percentage is that compared to people who value money? Korean dramas don’t just overblow this thing, according to dramas only Evvviiiiil people do it for money.

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        A lot? It seems like the culture with tech start-ups. Yeah, they want money, but they also genuinely think they’re doing something important or socially valuable.

        Also, I don’t think this show has portrayed money-seeking as evil? Like it does seem like Dal-mi and everybody else wants to make money. However, they also seem to have other motivations as well and, in a ranking of those motivations, money might not be as high a priority as other things. I think the show’s message is that the pursuit of money uber alles might not be good, but that makes sense to me. If you have talent and the privilege of starting a business in a tech incubator like the Sandbox, why not try to start a business that is socially useful while also making money?

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          This is both right and wrong. Because its also the most basic tone and method of pitching it to potential investors. But when you peel the outer layer, what you find below varies. To be frank, if I were to pitch an idea and there’s a social impact angle, I would absolutely confidently make it sound as if it will change the world. Its overdone at the moment but it sells. My experience has been take it with a grain of salt.

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      Also I said tech moguls, I am sure there are moderately successful tech start ups focusing on social impact projects. Its also a part of branding process now.

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    i beg to differ… any startup idea can never be for money when incepted. its has to be for the impact. and when the impact becomes significant thats when money comes in picture.
    And thats when someone normal who was behind his/her dream turned to a big hot shot.

    I am saying from my personal experience, after going tons of people at such level reading about their life story as to how and why they started.

    CreativeLive’s founder Chase Jarvis in an interview told Never start anything for money, start for your love and passion for it. Money will come eventually. thats how startup ideas are born.

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      and one more thing… in any such startups or business started from scratch when going gets tough (which it will be for sure) its never the money which keeps the them going but always the love for the idea, passion for the result that keeps them going despite the darkest times.

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      After hearing the many congressional hearings over the last few years, that sounds overly optimistic to me. An idea starts from passion but pretending that if it generates no monetary value, it will sustain or grow in today’s industry landscape is inaccurate. Also, once you play ball in the Forbes list, most people operate on a different spectrum beyond moral right and wrong. Money does rule there.

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        obviously money rules and money HAS to rule.. otherwise everyone will die hungry in this world. and I am not denying that at all.
        But when it all starts then money should be second.. thats all i am saying.

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          I have not met many people who put money second, maybe you were lucky enough to meet them. Most have something to prove, a name to build and money to earn and are hella cocky, at least in Bay area. Money should be second and perhaps would be second if it were an ideal world. I have not been part of that world in my experience.

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    I don’t know a single thing about Start Ups, but I’m telling you something, I only work for money, not for the fun of it. If I was a payed my wages while I do nothing I would do nothing related to my job. So we all do it for the money.

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      thats very correct.. i did my job for 10+ years (though it started as my love for IT) just for money as i had to pay my bills and take care of my family.. but i was also pursuing my hobbies which i loved crazily.
      and now its been 2 years leaving my job and working as a freelancer for those hobbies and earning (though very less than my salary) too… so for me it started just fir my love for creativity which is now bringing in money.
      thats how start ups shape up too.

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StartUp….come on show, Dal Mi has the right to know, also could you please develop her more and most people find money important for a lots of realistic reasons, stop with the bigger than money BS!

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    Female character development, please.
    InJae is more than evil sister.
    Mum is more than a cold hearted woman who only wants money.
    DalMi is something more than a reason for ML and SML to fight over.
    Please. Some. Female. Character. Development.

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      I still don’t know where In Jae is headed, she seems to be very competently minding her business

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