It gave me such a nice feeling that, after being away so long, when I came back people who I really enjoyed started talking with me again. Mr. Sunshine broke my heart. Dramabeans put it back together.
Yep, human catnip! I think Ha Ji won is the female version in the kdramaverse- everyone falls in love with her! My fave for her is King2Hearts and Secret Garden, both shows swept me away.
Well I found both of them on Kocowa so I’ll get back to you. Tho I must warn you I fall in love with a lot of the actresses. BTW, did you recognize Ji-yeon as Dong Mae’s mother? I sure didn’t.
I asked a friend of mine who was also smitten with Oh My Venus! and Terius which one she’d pick from Eugene, Dong Mae, Hee-seong, or Kim Bon. Answer: “Yes, please.”
I love the way Sun-mi reacts to him! Even when she gets mad at him, like when he snubbed her (and all of KIS) in the earlier episode. I’ve never been able to reproduce that facial expression.
I realized again that sometimes I argue with people even when I agree with them. That was pointed out to me about 45 years ago, and I guess it hasn’t changed much. -sigh-
My brother does that. Twenty minutes in I’m like “you realise you’re agreeing with me about the conclusion – why are you arguing with me about the premises?”
hello @beantown. To be honest, I’ve been so disappointed with the result that I’ve stayed away from the recap and discussion to avoid a rant or a flame war. I saw that I was completely wrong in my estimation of this story as a love story, unless it was love of country, and I was completely wrong in my view of the love between Ae-shin and Eugene.
I completely saw that they had beautifully done death scenes, except for Eugene’s, whose was painfully pathetic. Hina, Dong Mae, and even Hui-sung had fitting tragic deaths, their sacrifice was enobling, and their loss was willingly given and meant something.
Eugene’s loss in the end meant nothing, and he didn’t have to die. That last scene with him was clearly his death scene. It didn’t show Eugene’s capabilities as a fighter at all. He could’ve shot out the coupling from Ae-shin’s car and left the Japanese in the tunnel. He could’ve forced them to jump off the train even before the tunnel. He could’ve stepped into their car as they entered the tunnel and killed them all in the dark, as he was already shown to be skilled in hand-to-hand combat, and taking his enemies weapon’s and using them to kill his other enemies. They didn’t even have to choreograph that fight scene. Just a set of muzzle flashes in the darkness of the tunnel, the sound of people dieing, maybe some sword or bayonet cuts, and Eugene still standing in the end. The fact it didn’t play out way left a lot of people I knew very dissatisfied with Eugene. A lot of them tweeted after that Eugene’s death scene, “what a herb.” That was absolutely not a compliment.
Once I realized that all the main supporting characters’ death scenes were conceived as exactly that, and not as people who were doing what they must do, still with the skill and intelligence that they had, and taking actions which inevitably led to their deaths, then I completely lost faith in the story.
Even Ae-shin living at the end, and becoming the great leader / trainer / commander, I objected to. If anything, I felt that part should’ve gone to the young cadet that wanted to kill Lee Wan-ik, that Eugene had trained, and who was helping organize the camp. Instead it went to Ae-shin, the “noble lady” who trained for the Righteous Army, because they had killed Queen Min.
There’s a lot more but I’m sure you get the gist of my objections. I’m gonna give it a few more days before I post anything there. I still do consider Mr. Sunshine as a work of art, well beyond Goblin or anything else I’ve seen on TV before, but it’s something that I don’t plan on ever seeing again, at least right now. My daughter of course disagees with me, and plans on buying it if it ever comes out on blu-ray. I guess I’ve just seen enough of invasion, resistance, slaughter, and historical whitewashing, revisionism, and repainting of heroes, to just never want to see it again.
@grumpyoldman I always approach history (his story) with a grain of salt as it is usually written by the winners and trumps (😎) other versions. I think the writer wasn’t as interested in documenting history as in creating a vehicle for social change……essentially successful propaganda. It was beautiful, and was a deeply moving work of art for me.
I, too, loved the character of Eugene and felt he was wasted, but I understand why. I got a chuckle over his 15 second death scene vs. the slo-mo 10 minutes given to others! Oh well.
Ps. I love ur daughter….watch Healer with her, again a meld of social change and great storytelling….I own the dvd!
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 2:24 AM
It gave me such a nice feeling that, after being away so long, when I came back people who I really enjoyed started talking with me again. Mr. Sunshine broke my heart. Dramabeans put it back together.
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 2:24 AM
And Oh My Venus and Terrius.
beantown
November 11, 2018 at 8:09 AM
So ji sub is irresistible catnip!
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 9:18 AM
My manly side must resist, but my romantic side agrees.
beantown
November 11, 2018 at 10:24 AM
Yep, human catnip! I think Ha Ji won is the female version in the kdramaverse- everyone falls in love with her! My fave for her is King2Hearts and Secret Garden, both shows swept me away.
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM
2 more shows I have to watch
Grumpyoldman
November 12, 2018 at 8:18 AM
Well I found both of them on Kocowa so I’ll get back to you. Tho I must warn you I fall in love with a lot of the actresses. BTW, did you recognize Ji-yeon as Dong Mae’s mother? I sure didn’t.
I asked a friend of mine who was also smitten with Oh My Venus! and Terius which one she’d pick from Eugene, Dong Mae, Hee-seong, or Kim Bon. Answer: “Yes, please.”
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 9:25 AM
I love the way Sun-mi reacts to him! Even when she gets mad at him, like when he snubbed her (and all of KIS) in the earlier episode. I’ve never been able to reproduce that facial expression.
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 1:55 AM
Oh My God I’ve been promoted to Noble Idiot! I guess it’s better than Eunich in Women’s Clothes.
thatstp
November 11, 2018 at 2:00 AM
Congrats!
Waadmay
November 11, 2018 at 2:10 AM
That’s cool , how do you do it .
Grumpyoldman
November 11, 2018 at 2:18 AM
do what?
Waadmay
November 11, 2018 at 2:38 AM
I was asking @thatstp
thatstp
November 11, 2018 at 2:37 AM
Someone posted how-to for DB. Lemme see if I can link it…
https://imgur.com/FBENDIA
https://imgur.com/qZCE6Y2
Waadmay
November 11, 2018 at 2:39 AM
Thanks 💖
Waadmay
November 11, 2018 at 2:09 AM
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉🎉
korfan
November 11, 2018 at 2:29 AM
Congratulations!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
November 11, 2018 at 3:00 AM
It all depends on what you think of it. Congratulations!
Madkdr
November 11, 2018 at 5:20 AM
Congratulations
beantown
November 11, 2018 at 8:09 AM
Congrats!
Grumpyoldman
September 21, 2018 at 12:03 PM
I realized again that sometimes I argue with people even when I agree with them. That was pointed out to me about 45 years ago, and I guess it hasn’t changed much. -sigh-
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
September 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM
My brother does that. Twenty minutes in I’m like “you realise you’re agreeing with me about the conclusion – why are you arguing with me about the premises?”
Grumpyoldman
September 21, 2018 at 12:50 PM
For me it’s the violent emotions.
beantown
October 5, 2018 at 4:35 AM
@grumpyoldman Soooooo, what did you think? Were you happy with how they wrapped it up?
Grumpyoldman
October 5, 2018 at 8:45 AM
hello @beantown. To be honest, I’ve been so disappointed with the result that I’ve stayed away from the recap and discussion to avoid a rant or a flame war. I saw that I was completely wrong in my estimation of this story as a love story, unless it was love of country, and I was completely wrong in my view of the love between Ae-shin and Eugene.
I completely saw that they had beautifully done death scenes, except for Eugene’s, whose was painfully pathetic. Hina, Dong Mae, and even Hui-sung had fitting tragic deaths, their sacrifice was enobling, and their loss was willingly given and meant something.
Eugene’s loss in the end meant nothing, and he didn’t have to die. That last scene with him was clearly his death scene. It didn’t show Eugene’s capabilities as a fighter at all. He could’ve shot out the coupling from Ae-shin’s car and left the Japanese in the tunnel. He could’ve forced them to jump off the train even before the tunnel. He could’ve stepped into their car as they entered the tunnel and killed them all in the dark, as he was already shown to be skilled in hand-to-hand combat, and taking his enemies weapon’s and using them to kill his other enemies. They didn’t even have to choreograph that fight scene. Just a set of muzzle flashes in the darkness of the tunnel, the sound of people dieing, maybe some sword or bayonet cuts, and Eugene still standing in the end. The fact it didn’t play out way left a lot of people I knew very dissatisfied with Eugene. A lot of them tweeted after that Eugene’s death scene, “what a herb.” That was absolutely not a compliment.
Once I realized that all the main supporting characters’ death scenes were conceived as exactly that, and not as people who were doing what they must do, still with the skill and intelligence that they had, and taking actions which inevitably led to their deaths, then I completely lost faith in the story.
Even Ae-shin living at the end, and becoming the great leader / trainer / commander, I objected to. If anything, I felt that part should’ve gone to the young cadet that wanted to kill Lee Wan-ik, that Eugene had trained, and who was helping organize the camp. Instead it went to Ae-shin, the “noble lady” who trained for the Righteous Army, because they had killed Queen Min.
There’s a lot more but I’m sure you get the gist of my objections. I’m gonna give it a few more days before I post anything there. I still do consider Mr. Sunshine as a work of art, well beyond Goblin or anything else I’ve seen on TV before, but it’s something that I don’t plan on ever seeing again, at least right now. My daughter of course disagees with me, and plans on buying it if it ever comes out on blu-ray. I guess I’ve just seen enough of invasion, resistance, slaughter, and historical whitewashing, revisionism, and repainting of heroes, to just never want to see it again.
beantown
October 5, 2018 at 9:31 AM
@grumpyoldman I always approach history (his story) with a grain of salt as it is usually written by the winners and trumps (😎) other versions. I think the writer wasn’t as interested in documenting history as in creating a vehicle for social change……essentially successful propaganda. It was beautiful, and was a deeply moving work of art for me.
I, too, loved the character of Eugene and felt he was wasted, but I understand why. I got a chuckle over his 15 second death scene vs. the slo-mo 10 minutes given to others! Oh well.
Ps. I love ur daughter….watch Healer with her, again a meld of social change and great storytelling….I own the dvd!
Grumpyoldman
October 5, 2018 at 9:10 AM
Also, I wanted to thank you for giving me such informative, helpful, and thoughtful conversation on Dramabeans. I really enjoyed it.
beantown
October 5, 2018 at 9:33 AM
@grumpyoldman Thank you!
Grumpyoldman
September 9, 2018 at 11:34 PM
I am so mad at Ae-Shin right now I’m just wishing Eugene would say, “Hey Hina, why don’t you come with me to America?”
Grumpyoldman
September 5, 2018 at 7:01 AM
I’m a grumpy old man who lies about my age. But then I say things like “get offa my lawn,” or dagnabit, or nertz, and the game is up.