Beanie level: Rooftop room dweller

my second disliked and hated scene.. when GT makes breakfast for MY. As if that poor chap had less problems to deal with now he has this girl to take care of now.
Whole creative needs some smack in head to get their brain functioning. How can you even imagine a person with so many responsibilities of his life n brother that he can spare time to pamper her too. He needs someone supportive, no nonsense person in life who can nurse his wound not ask him nurse herself too.

Such a great prospective storyline getting spoiled for turning it into a romantic drama

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    Realistically you’re take is correct, while for the drama i am not thinking much about it. I also had issues with MY trying her best that GT takes her in his care too which imo was too much for him because he had so much on his plate. That is why it’s tough for me to understand how she is helping him open up. GT has never said those thibgs to anyone else except for MY because she sees through his hypocrisy. In front of the rest of the world he is amazing brother who has no issues looking after his brother but that isn’t true and he only opens up about this to MY, which I don’t know why.
    Couples can even fall out when they have mental health issues luke anxiety and depression, so MY having ASPD alongside GT having his own form of depression, this is hard to work realistically. Their chemistry is electrifying and that’s probably why I’m still watching because i don’t think there is much story either. I don’t understand yet how this couole can make it work because realistically it would be a toxic pairing but it’s a drama after all.

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      i am glad that i am not alone finding it toxic real life scenario. and i really like how you explained the things as I was feeling bit confused as to am i the only one feeling so disappointed with how the story is unfolding.
      So in short i am not alone but same time i am unable to accept the torture GT is going through.

      thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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        I was thinking of dropping the show because it does seem they don’t have much to do except for the past stories of the leads but mainly because it is trying to make a toxic relationship work. That said, it is still a visual treat and with the fairy tales, a little different than most kdramas so I’ll continue.

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        Yeah, I don’t think you are alone. Part of me doesn’t want them to become a couple. There is too much already going on. Romance with Moon-young, if it fits at all, should be last on the list of priorities. As others have noted, things that might not sit well with us in real life somehow work in dramaland. In some cases, we can suspend disbelief. I’m not sure what to say in this particular case.

        I feel that when dramas reach this point (about the halfway mark), I start to have concerns. I thought the beginning was really strong, but I wonder where things will go from this point.

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          very much agree… things in dramaland do make sense and thats the reason we watch dramas to have fun rather trying to make sense of everything we watch.
          and i am happy that i wasnt alone feeling that… so now bit happy n relaxed to find people with same perception. now ill find for dramas which i can enjoy too.
          thank you for sharing ur thoughts.

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    I totally agree that realistically MY is not the ideal person for GT having said that I wouldn’t call making breakfast pampering. He was going to make breakfast anyway for himself and his brother and he made extra for her as well, he didn’t exactly try to impress or cater to her tastes.

    Also regarding his plate being full with his brother, whether with MY or not GT deserves to eventually be in a relationship and his partner will also deserve effort from his side, had this not been MY but just another woman he liked would you consider making a meal for her a bad thing?

    What I am trying to say is that while it is correct MY is a too demanding for a person like GT, there is no relationship out there that would be absolutely free of demands and even if he finds a supportive person he will be expected to return the care and support too, he will have to spare time for any person he gets together with even if they are what is considered normal. The idea that he needs someone who requires no sort of pampering even to the simple extent of making breakfast imo is unrealistic.

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      him making breakfast for her is not my issue.. but the way this whole built up was done is my issue. Last night she had been shown threating him that his brother has abandoned him.. and that was clearly a hurtful statement for a person who has dedicated his life taking care of his brother.
      So next morning showing him making breakfast for her is wrong. she has hurt him enough and he should not be doing any chivalry towards her try to be in her good books.
      what she did to him by trapping his brother to bring him to her castle it absolutely wrong so in return him still treating her nicely is my issue.

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        That is a pretty fair point.

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        What about still being nice, or even nicer than before, when she has just pushed a second person down the stairs? kkkk
        You’re really not the only one who feels this romance would be bad in real life but this is a romcom and a lot of things that happen in it come from this, if you ignore logic it becomes better.

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          yes ignoring is bliss in this case.. my only problem i am unable to enjoy the drama despite trying to ignore all the lack of logics.. so dropping it would be the better option for me… so i am planning to do that.
          thanks for sharing ur thoughts.

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    Kang Tae has a savior complex. It’s in his nature to just take care of things. The breakfast scene makes sense to me because that’s who he is. These people exist in real life. He can’t help himself. And yes, people need therapy for this because they end end up saying “yes, I’ll help you” to everything and to everyone and burn themselves out.l, become depressed or anxious because they care more for others than they do for themselves. These people also end up in abusive relationships sometimes. Totally not healthy. So I worry more about him than Moon young. Kang Tae easily forgives people—he’s a nurse and care-giver who has to forgive a lot in patients and staff members—so has likely forgiven Moon young or made excuses for her. Again, part of his personality. He doesn’t hold anything against anyone. He finds more fault in himself. I can see parts of their relationship in my own. My husband is very much the care-giver in our family, I’m not. However, he does say “ok, I’m done taking care of things for a while,” and “no, I can’t do this anymore.” And that’s when I step up-hopefully. There’s always one in the relationship and it’s usually the female. I like this show because it is the male that has this trait. Yes, it may me and has been taken advantage of, in real life, but that’s why this is a drama. Per my husband, what Korean drama has ever shown healthy people in healthy relationships? Well, he’s right, they are rare.

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      i agree completely with you Ally.. esp the last line that there are hardly any korean dramas with healthy people in healthy relationship.
      i am baffled for one reason that being caregiver to mentally ill sibling is big thing in anyone’s life, say plate full or not knowing how to live their own life, so having another person with mental illness is not working for me.
      i find this whole setup as trivializing mental illness and the life of a caregiver to a mentally ill family member.

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        Yes this. MY isn’t in KT just as a romantic partner, she sees him as a care giver and someone who’ll become reaponsible for her. That would be exhausting for KT realistically. But again that’s why this is a drama and KT is a Candy, also as Ally said, he has a savior complex. I do think in real life, every person has their own issues and at times they rely on their partners to share them and even sort them out but here KT taking care of MY is like nursing a patient. And even if I’ve seen couples nursing each other in old age or sickness, I still think if this could be considered the same? After all couples who want to stay together do so through thick and thin and health and sickness. But by all means it is manipulation on MY’s side rather than just KT being a care giver.

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          very well put… and last line is exactly how i feel about this whole set up..
          MY is clearly manipulative and bringing KT into her mess…. hope he gets some solace, in drama, with whom so ever he chooses to be with.

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        I don’t see how the drama is trivializing this when it has touched on, many times, how Gang-tae feels about being his brother’s caregiver and how overwhelming it can be, and he has told Mun-yeong himself that he doesn’t need yet another person to take care of. Sure, maybe the show will end up magically making everything work between the two of them, we’re only halfway through so anything could happen, but up until now the show is not brushing these issues under the rug.

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          touching it all but superficially is what trivializing for me…

          first…no Bipolar disorder patient has ever been cured just by letting him/her do what they want (or went out their emotions)… and if by chance all BPD patients would be allowed to do so.. this whole world will be a big chaotic mess that no one can even imagine…

          second.. two mentally ill people needy of another emotionally broken ( and somewhat depressed person).. this is trivializing for me as all three needs healing and support from someone emotionally strong not from each other. its a recipe of a disaster.

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      Totally agree with you.
      In fact I was happy in episode 7 because I could see them bonding and being friends, getting to a place where they are equals, they learn from the other, and how to relate to others.
      I liked them being friends, it would work on real life.
      But we are in dramaland and it means love is all around. It only took one episode for KT to admit he has feelings for MY, and to MY to realize what she’s feeling is love (or something she can identify with love).

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        hehehe… dramaland surely lacks logic and touch with reality… so here all the manipulation by MY so far would be accepted and appreciated just cause she figured it was all cause she loved him… which is kind of funny for me.
        but what you said makes complete sense. thanks for sharing.

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    Considering Kang-taes personality his behavior towards Moon-Young makes sense. However, I do understand why this scene would be upsetting. I also see this drama as a modern day fairy tale, and fairy tales often have problematic elements.

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      ahh now thats the viewpoint i was missing altogether. thanks for bringing it to my notice that this is the Drama version of a fairytale where elements are not perfect but keeps viewers hooked.
      thank you for sharing.

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        My pleasure 😁

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        @sirena and @KSOppaisback. Yes, this is another perspective. The movie I chose for Day thirteen of the July movie challenge is a similar example of a modern fairy tale (at least, the director described his story that way). And while I like the film, it does have some questionable elements. But the fairy tale aspect helps to explain some of those things. @sirena You make a good point.

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      I missed out this point too. Maybe all that is bothering us is actually intentionally put in place for it to look fairytale-esque.

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First 5 episode of Psycho but Okay and I am was happy to find a good drama but then first 10 minutes of epi 6 happened to make me want to spank Ko Moon young.. as its reverse gender role (mean female and pitiful male lead)….

girl he has his brother who needs him and thats enough why would he deserve another mentally ill person inhis life just cause you need him…

Am angry at KMY but still watching remaining 6th episode to see if anything improves.

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    ha ha.. if that’s your problem then wait till you see ep 8 preview 😛 you won’t like it

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      OMG.. now i am nervous to continue it if i have more disappointment on road down…

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        hmm..

        my final takeaway is,
        if you remove this psycho setting, broadly script follows usual kdrama romance narrative, specially childhood romance with tragic connections

        BUT, it is the direction, acting, and this very psycho backdrop which keeps things jazzed up, fun.. interesting.. poignant..

        it IS NOT a realistic view of what happens.. or how easy things are around here

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          i know this is all usual kdrama plus the mental illness setting, which is added with so less research and details, that I absolutely hate it.
          reason.. for most of the viewers its easy to watch a drama having mental illness (or any illness for that matter) but i am sure anyone who has someone in life with mental illness (esp close family member) it must have felt like mocking to all the efforts being done to live a normal life by handling all the hardships/responsibilities.
          hence all the anger and disappointment with this drama.

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            some folks commented..i think drama has fairly true to how autistic or APDS are shown.. so..maybe that is fine..it is just the hospital setting to bring comedic relief

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            autistic.. yes i agree but not the patients in hospital. be it Bipolar or Anti Social personality disorder.

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        my biggest peeve is them showing how MY “cures” all patients when professional help could not

        with a big eye roll..and hence you know it is a romance drama with its exaggerations and funny moments.. and strokes to make it appear “different”

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          lol.. i dont believe that MY actually cures anyone… its just that her disconnect from real world, her superiority complex (in my perspective), and her overestimating herself that she is the best and can do, can have anything she wants. and I hate such characters even in dramas.
          and then romance part.. i am not at all in it. cause this romance is not my kind of when one person needs freedom but the other one only choking him with her neediness

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            drama is showing she does..

            1. mayor’s son, doctor acknowledges that now the son will start recovering because MY took him on that “trip”

            2. She is the healing factor in this lady’s case.. she is the one who made her snap out of her delusion.. which is why she was a patient in the 1st place 😛

            3. She understands ST best 😛

            3 weeks, 3 people healed..

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            also they both need each other 😛

            you are not kdrama fan!

            When are leads normal people with healthy life, healthy outlook.. 2 achievers falling in love..with pitfalls being more in the way they think and complement each other

            one is always lacking in something and the other in something else..and it is always NEED driven

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            i disagree.. and thats why i mentioned in my above reply.. this drama lacks research in fields of mental illness treatment. no bipolar disorder patient can be treated the way she treated the mayor’s son (talking it with personal experience after having discussion with many such bipolar patients)..
            and bipolar disorder is a life long disease which needs proper medication (anti depressant + anti psychotics till delusion suppresses) and CBT to bring patient in tough with reality.
            we just saw one day in such patients life after he blurted all his hidden emotions but that not the cure. It will be triggered again until CBT treats such emotion from root.

            and same will be the case for rest of the illnesses.

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            *tough = touch

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I am missing all the fun I used to have here… life is soooo busy that I dont hv time to spend all the quality time here.. missing you all my lovely beanies..💜💜💜💜💜💜

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Its still as fun as it was watching it 2 years back… Ye Line indeed living long and getting stronger.
LJH’s Beauty is soooo out of this world 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
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So I am happy that Oppa dint become the killer but now i am sad to know he caused all the misfortunes happened so far. Hope he finds a way to be back to his happy go lucky self even without his Hyung

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Finally i am able to replace Lee Joon Ki as my Ultimate Forever Oppa cause Lee Joon Hyuk made my heart flutter sooo much with his acting capability, handsomeness and beauty….
rest my oppa list always increasing by each new drama… but LJH is ir-replacable for coming 2-3 years at least.
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365 latest episode… WAIT WHAT WHY HOW…….????????
NOOOOOOOO WAY DAMN the creative team….i am table flipping mode already… what should i do till next episode to calm me down 😤😤😤😤😤😤

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    I swear to god!!! Oh my god idk what the hell they did!?

    Any chance it’s a red herring!?

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    Imagine thinking you should’ve waited for next week’s episodes before watching this but then you know the feels will never be the same! My jaw dropped at the last Scene😮😮😮

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      I was going from: it’s sunbae, it can’t be HJ… but if he is… nooooooo… sunbae…. and what happens?????
      I’m angry and outraged right now.
      This hurts, show.
      I love/hate you writer-nim.

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        for me it was shock.. i in my wildest dream never thought that he could be there on BJT’s computer wiping (or typing) his keyboard.. and my very first expression was ” DAMN NOOOOOOOOOOO”
        i love this show how well it plays with my emotions and brain at the very same time…

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      lol i agree with you… binge watching surely makes life easy but the feels, the deadly waiting for one whole week thinking what could have happen.. cant be same…

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    why are people surprised or so amazed by ep 8

    there wasn’t even a twist in this episode .. i mean nothing ground breaking..

    unless you are talking abt the last scene which again is very obvious that that person reached after the murder took place.. shoes, clothes are different

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      the surprise the shock was the first hand reaction i had while watching last scene with same excitement and anticipation as i watched the whole series so far.
      now after watching the last few scenes again, and preview am sure JHJ wont be the killer..
      and then i know LJHs unconventional drama choices so far so that added to my shock…
      am all fine now… obviously till next episode wont blow another bomb on me.

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There cant be anyone HAPPIER than me cause seeing Lee Joon Hyuk in that playful and all smiling avatar just made my day.
365 : repeat the year.. first episode was fantastic for me.
Story wise, cinematography wise.. it was great. And then Editing was super great.. it was just as per my imagination, my liking, how I like do with scenes or transitions.

Nam Ji Hyun.. was good and surely improved her acting.

Lee Joon Hyuk…and this is me

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#fightingcovid19 #anintrovertfightinganxiety
First of all… i pray for the health and safety of all the beanies across the globe. and hope we all survive this phase together despite all the trauma this Covid19 is causing (my anxiety is at its peak as I cant keep my mind away from all the what ifs of future).

But at same time.. I am trying to watch all my dropped/on hold shows of past years. And hoping ill finish them this time finally.

Laslty.. just wanted to have this thread where all the beanies can talk abt their copping techniques, how they are managing this self isolation/social ditancing time, if they have annxiety (like me) how they are able to handle it. Also if there is anything you all are doing to utilize this time to do better things.. feel free to share so that it can help others alike.

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    Well… my town only has about 3 cases so far so IDK if it’s representative of other places in the world. But for me, I just try not to get wrapped up in the media hype. It’s too over the top. Plus, I don’t really go out much anyway, except for shopping and classes. I try to follow orders, wash hands, stay in when sick. I’m not panicking about the virus. But what I AM scared of is human behaviour.

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    In my region alone (we’re about 2 million inhabitants) 50 people died, 12 of them in the last 24 hours, so we’re taking this issue very seriously. Before things got ugly, I was sure this was all media hype and paranoia, but now I’m quite aware of this health crisis’ ramifications.

    Anyway, we’ve been home for almost a week now – 2 adults and 2 kids in a smallish flat with no balcony. We’re quite sure we’ll be fine, but it’s hard to keep mentally balanced and everybody getting along well in such conditions. So far we’ve learned:

    *timetables and routines help: getting up at a set time, getting dressed, eating meals at the table, etc.,

    *we dedicate mornings to remote school. My partner works from home too, and I help the kids and fiddle with my Korean flashcards, so almost until lunch time we are all set,

    *limiting screen-time for kids and adults helps everybody getting less grumpy and anxious, we actually limited the time on our kids’ tablet and it shuts sessions when the time is up… Usually they groan for about 30 seconds and just start doing something else without any need for us to get involved,

    *which connects with selecting what entertainment we consume, we try to watch some documentaries instead of allowing kids to watch bs on YT nonstop… Also watching 1 Welcome to Waikiki episode a day with kids 😉

    *our cooking skills are seriously improving, it’s a good way to keep kids busy,

    *getting enough movement is our main problem, we try to cope with online tutorials and dancing, but it’s not enough

    So, this are my strategies so far… How are you coping?

    By the way, we’re almost finished with Welcome to Waikiki, can anybody recommend me a funny drama to watch with kids?

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      thats fantastic technique for sure. and thanks for sharing. I might borrow some of your ways as mine is all scattered all over the place.
      I usually dont go out at all as I work from home for last 1 year. But when you are asked to do not to go out strictly you feel even more anxious.. and then every day rising number of patients is the worse thing for me (PS:our city has the highest number of patients in whole country)

      I dint have any techniques so far.. i just try to finish my daily work quota then watch some dramas, cook and clean… and drink lots of water. But then the moment i switch on tv everything goes to toss… am sick of all the high fi words news channels are using to portray how killer Covid is. So from today onwards i hav started to stop watching news channels completely. All i am doing is watching dramas as much as I can.

      Lets see how much this will help in coming week.

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        @KS_One life one chance, everythin you say sounds like good coping to me. And I think your instincts are right: news channels only make it worse… I only watch the evening news just to check up that we’re not going to hell, and usually not even the whole thing. We’re better off in Dramaland!
        We can make this, fighting!

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          thank you… and we can make it to the light for sure…. its just how well we manage the isolation healthily.

          and news channels make it horrible for me… my anxiety symptoms are choking throat and the moment i watch one single news anytime of the day my choked throat never leaves until i go to bed at night. and whole day i feel so perplexed.

          hope ill be better without them going forward.

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            Not now, but last year I had a really tough time for health reasons. My sister recommended me an app called Headspace, it helped me a lot!

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    @KS_One life one chance Thank you for your well wishes! I want to extend my well wishes to you and your loved ones as well. I am currently at work but soon I’ll be working from home (my library has closed for the remainder of this month). Honestly, I try and avoid listening to the news as much as possible. I hear enough about Covid19 from my colleagues. I am focusing on my work, watching movies/shows/listening to music whenever I can. I have family in Sicily as well as near Rome. My thoughts are always with them and how their lives/habits have changed. Thankfully, they are safe and making the best of their situations.

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      thanks for the wishes chinguya. and good to know you and your family is doing good.
      i am better today as I dint watch a single news related to Covid and scrolled just few pages of FB to get whats going. rest I spent whole day watching my drama and sleeping and today I am better…
      so i guess i found my way to cope with this.

      Hope you stay healthy till this storm passes.

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    I havent checked the links out but if you scroll to the end of this post there seems to be some resources for anxiety related to this pandemic.
    Also in the comments what looks like a delightful video from Mo Williems the author and illustrator.

    https://smartbitchestrashybooks.com/2020/03/links-keeping-busy/

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this dance makes me breathless every “single” time I watch it. esp till Jimin’s jump over JK bridge… I watched it literally Breathless..

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I am drowning in MAP 7 songs.. like literally, legit….listening ON, on repeat non stop, fo last 18 hours and it has awaken the dancing soul in me which is jumping all over the house… while my mom trying to remind me how accident prone i am being such careless creature…
ahhhhh i LOVE each n every song sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much that i dont have words but tears to support my emotions..

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    Glad you’re happy , beware of accidents , pad everything around you 😂💜💜💜💜

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      thank you unnie…💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

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    Ive deliberately stayed off Youtube so I wouldn’t get sucked into 12 hours of BTS reaction videos

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Itaewon Class… Wwwowoww what a twist. i dint saw it coming though i had hunch that sae Ro yi will be doing something big with the money he got after his dad\’s accident.
But this.. i didn\’t expected it in my wildest dream. Am sure this gonna be the best drama of this year cause its so low key yet gives the biggest emotional impact with all thr revelation….. keep it up show.

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I am not sure if I can summerize in words how m uch I love Itaewon Class and PSJ. In past I was never a fan of PSJ\’s acting as I found it annoying a lot of times, dropped many of his dramas mid way or even before.
But IC wone me over with its such raw narattion of a kid\’s pain who lost his dad and then unable to do anything agaist that mighty chaebol. And then PSJ.. woww his acting in the scenes where he had to show his anger, his control over his temper yet his innocence… just beautiful.
Hope it remains same in future too.

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    He is SO SO good! I thought I was going to be in a slump after completing my current watch list but OMG he is SO GOOD

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      exactly… he is fantabulous… his acting is so raw and natural you feel for him every single time.
      and his that little tal tap moment over his head when he gets shy awwww i love that.

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#parasite an absolute masterpiece movie, where each n every single frame is telling a story of its own. I was crying seeing Bong Joon Ho being so simple while receiving the trophy for Best Picture.
Finally now Kdrama/Kmovies will get the love and attention they deserve….
#ThankyouParasite

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From one recipe in 2 days to 2 recipes in one day, I have come a long way in last one year.
YES..!!! its been one year today of my work as Video Editor.. and not even once I had any regret of leaving my job for the unknown. but Only Gratefulness towards God for being so Gracious towards this poor soul.
And thank you to all my helpful lovely beanies here….

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its one of my all time the most favorite dish.. and eating it piping hot during winters is like therapy…

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So i am one happy girl cause Oppa#1 YYS\’s drama starts on Feb 29, Oppa#2 LJH\’s on March 3.. and then Forever Oppa (so far) LJK is also coming back with a new drama..
with only if by any chance Lee Jun Ki doesn\’t get to my expectations he has full chance to be wiprd out of my Oppa list.

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    I love the way you name your oppas. I guess my Forever Oppa is also LJK. But my #1 and #2 are Lee Junho and Ji Chang Wook. Bonus – if you have a teenage daughter or niece it makes them really angry when you use the word ‘oppa’.

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      hehehe,, thank you. btw my oppa is so dynamic and every second month a new oppa enters it so that the ones who dint appear on my screen could take some break from my oppa list….

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i have a workshop (Image Post Processing) tomorrow, technically today as its 2am here. And I should be sleeping long back as need to get up at 6 to start by 8.30 to reach by 9.30 but i am not, i cant.. cause Chocolate was soooo sweet today… like can it be any more.
Lee Kang was always genuine in this drama but today\’s episode he was even more… like can any living male be this soft hearted, sweet and GENUINE…i doubt and thats the reason i couldn\’t find such fine men in real life.

And that ending of tomorrow\’s preview *swooon*.. ok i shall dream abt it…
off to sleep… good night everyone…

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    Gd night! LK is ❤️. I completely understand your feelings. I finished ep.13 with my heart trying to leave me for a trip to Wando (ok pls don’t.) The broken LK is just so..so genuine and heart-wrenching)

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      absolutely… he is sooo adorable that i cant even imagine Chocolate without him as a lead… am waiting for today’s episode….*fingers crossed*

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        My fingers and toes crossed hoping that everything will be j..u..s…t so fine.

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scene that broke my heart in zillion pieces… esp when Kang tells Jun to let him be, to let him live in wando with his mom, uncle and bada the dog in that heartbreaking voice…as CY said he is indeed badly tired after leaving wando and staying at seoul all this while.
hope he gets the peace he is looking for.
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i am so badly angry… people want other artists to work for them but dont want to pay the worth of all the hardwork and creativity…. and then start all the bagaining \”its just start for you and blah blah blah\”

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    Lol life of an artist on a nutshell. Paid way way less than the amount of stress, hardwork and time required.

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      exactly… and when you say why its worth they started justifying the low pay that they can afford, which I detest, it just spoils the whole work atmosphere and the excitement feeling that I supposed to have for work..

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        but exposure…..

        arrrrggggghhhh

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          I once had a friend casually ask if my art student kid would make a logo for company, for basically nothing. She wanted a total rebrand, new logo, signage, etc. and thought it could just be whipped up in a matter of minutes. I laughed in her face, and asked if she proposed this pay scale to the contractors working on her storefront. We’re not really friends anymore.

          ART IS LABOR

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            ART IS LABOR very damn true.
            and when she herself is an artist a dancer properly looking for starting her own startup… and planning to pay me almost 1/4th of what I asked for all my work and dedication….. and keeps on saying “initially i cant afford that much”

            when I spent almost 1000$ to buy my new laptop, camera gear and all the things did i think i cant afford….. i am soooo not sure how to make her understand or just ignore her ? she came upto me 2 time in last 2 years and everytime she has same word “I cant afford this” and next year same her drama…
            sorry for almost ranting.. am in soooo bad mood.

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            Regarding graphic designing though, people think it’s magic, easily done and like a hobby for people that is why they’ll hardly have to do anything. I have studied media and I’m still terrible at graphic designing and all art related stuff. I think all this is the hardest to do and if it wasn’t for graphic designers speaking out themselves, people thought they only did this for fun and only have to draw some lines for free

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            I’ve been doing things like this as a volunteer to preserve little bit of sanity and have some pleasure for years but I’m amazed by some people full of money trying to get almost everything for free. They won’t even mention who did the work for them.

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            @kerouregan, these are also the same people that mock artists for choosing to study art instead of something “practical” or “useful”

            I could rant for a very long time.

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          yeah thats their keyword to take advantage of us..

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    Their excuse is always ‘but I’m giving you exposure!’ Like exposure only can feed you. Won’t the artist get the same exposure if you paid in full?

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    Oh!!! Just hold firm. Apparently, she can’t afford anyone else either, as she still is asking you after 2 years!

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    My sister who is an artist (she went to art school and gets lots of money doing commissions for people) always complains about this. When she was working other jobs her employers would give her artwork to do that had nothing to do with her job and expect her to do it. Or people she knew online would try to get her to draw for them for free quoting as others have said ‘you would get exposure!’ She even had someone ask her to design a tattoo for free because it would somehow give her exposure by doing so (not sure how it would). Or when people were willing to pay, they would complain about how expensive it was or it isn’t worth that much. People don’t understand, that if she feels it’s worth that much, then it’s worth that much and it’s insulting to say otherwise. If you can’t afford her artwork, go to someone you can afford. As well as she has had her artwork stolen many times on top of all this.

    You don’t ask writers to write you a book for free, so why do people have this idea you can ask artists to do artwork for free?

    I’m sorry you have to go through this 😡

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