Beanie level: Errand boy

Our final review of Forest of Secrets 2. Cry along with @saya, @chickachunga, @leetennant & me that it’s over. https://dramasoverflowers.net/2020/10/04/stranger-2-episodes-15-16-review/

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    😭😭😭😭

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    Once again, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us – which has been a must-read every week.

    Now, I have no doubt that it’s gonna tough to start another drama😂

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      Thanks for reading! Yeah, the void is very real :'(

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    Thanks so much for sharing this. I’ve enjoyed reading you all these weeks.
    We’re all a bit orphans right now 😭😭😭

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      At least we can cry together, I guess! Thanks for reading along!

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    I read this from start to finish, nodding along while reflecting on my own thoughts and feelings. It was a most satisfying finale, worthy of the legacy that is Forest of Secrets.

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      It really was. Once again, a perfect ending, but totally open to more seasons.

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In this Spoiled Yak, @cloggie and @chickachunga joined me to discuss the delightful, unconventional family drama My Unfamiliar Family. This layered, funny, warm, sometimes too real show is such a gem – we had nothing but praise for it but we still had so much to say! And we all agreed that it really adds to the experience to go in knowing nothing about the story, so if you haven’t yet seen My Unfamiliar Family, definitely watch before you listen to this spoiler-filled yak.

Did you love this show as much as we did?

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    Thanks for this!!

    My Unfamiliar Family is indeed a gem that I went in without any expectation but finished with so much satisfaction. It is top notch from the writing to the acting – one of the very best this year (and we have a few, lucky us)!

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      Agreed! It was such an incredible surprise! The trailer looked good but I had no idea how much I’d end up loving it.

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    This was a good listen. Bringing back the feels ~~~!

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    Thanks for inviting me! This was such fun to do

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    You guys are so well spoken in this and I don’t think I’ll watch this, but you guys made me really feel like I watched it through your words.

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      Oh, and Kim Ji Suk is AWSOME in 20th Century Boy and Girl and is a GREAT kisser.

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      Thanks Ally! I’m glad you at least got to enjoy it secondhand. And I agree, I binged 20CBG a few days ago because editing this episode made me want more of him lol. Super enjoyable, and he was great in it.

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    Wait Who’s anisa? @laica are you anisa?

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Hi all! Here’s Part 1 of a series on Dramas Over Flowers where we discuss why representation matters, and cover depictions of race and LGBTQ+ identity specifically. We’re really excited to release this two-part series, which continues in our tradition of doing special episodes on topical issues, but also provided us with an opportunity to dive deep into things that are always on our mind, but which we don’t necessarily have the time to cover in-depth in our usual format. This topic is unfortunately ongoing, but fortunately always evolving, so of course there’s still much more that can be said, even though we talked ourselves hoarse! But we hope it provides a good starting point for more conversations, with our listeners and in the fandom.

You can find extended show notes here, with links to the articles we reference in the episode, quotes we didn’t have time to read out, and additional points from us that we forgot to mention during the recording. Thank you for sending us your feedback, and let us know what you think, what we missed, and what you wish we’d talked more about.

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Hi friends! Check out this brilliant, comprehensive piece our @saya wrote on the Dramas Over Flowers blog about racial & ethnic stereotypes in K-drama, why they matter, and how they affect our fandom experience.

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Dramas Over Flowers listeners: We want to do both a blog post and a podcast episode on what makes something problematic in a K-drama—and how that affects our experience of a show. Send us your questions, issues you’d like us to highlight, and/or specific shows you’d like us to address. Reply/comment here, send us a DM, email us at dramasoverflowers@gmail.com, or record and send a voice memo which we\’ll happily play on the episode. We’ll keep whatever level of anonymity you’d like.

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    The lackluster second halves plus the lackluster endings. Also the forced happily ever after endings even when not needed. The endings issue is applicable to way too many shows, only a few writers know how to end a show well.

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    Give me a while and I’ll probably think of more, but…

    Really problematic:
    Blackface
    Negative stereotypes of ethnic groups / races

    Kinda problematic:
    Wrist grab
    Forced kiss
    Trip kiss (but I’d give them a pass if someone chips a tooth)
    Boss/subordinate romances
    Those really short skirts on high school girls
    Slapping

    Irritating:
    Childhood connections
    Forced happy endings & dull 2nd halves (as @wapz said above)
    Know-it-all male leads with fancy clothes &/or muscle cars (especially if they are speeding)
    Clumsy people dropping things
    People around the corner overhearing things
    People talking to themselves out loud

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    Thanks for your responses @wapzy and @lordcobol!

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Dropping this here for my Asian American fam.

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It may be the first day of 2020, but we’ve got our last hurrah of 2019 still to share: The Year End Yak! We each share our favorite shows of the year, and inaugurate our First Annual Goguma Awards. (Goguma is Dramas Over Flowers’ yak, by the way – his name means Sweet Potato in Korean.) Check it out here.

Also, if you missed our 2010s Retrospectives, read Part 1 where we managed to come to a consensus about the best dramas in basically every category for the last decade (don’t ask how – there was a lot of texting involved), and Part 2 where we each performed the impossible task of choosing our top ten dramas of the 2010s. I refuse to go back and look at it again because I know I’ll change my mind for the fourth time.

Enjoy, and thanks for taking this drama journey with us! @saya, @festerfaster and I could never have gotten this far without y’all’s love, support and friendship. Happy New Year!

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I dragged @saya and @festerfaster into writing this mammoth look back at the 2010s in K-drama with me. We list our collective top ten (or 11, 12) in every genre & highlight defining aspects of the decade in drama, like the cable revolution & rise of more complex heroines.

Check it out! This is Part 1 – Part 2 with our personal Top Tens of the decade coming soon! https://akdramapodcast.wordpress.com/2019/12/27/2010s-retrospective-the-decade-in-drama/

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We’re celebrating completing FIFTY EPISODES of Dramas Over Flowers by starting a new type of episode: The Spoiled Yak! We try not to go into spoilers too much in our Long Yaks, so this is an opportunity to discuss the show from beginning to end, shocking twists, story and character arc resolutions and all. In this episode, @saya couldn’t join because she still hasn’t succumbed to our efforts to make her watch Search: WWW, but @festerfaster and I got the very special treat of having our friend, crime novelist Anja De Jager, join us for a long discussion about Search. She also shared her thoughts about the ending of Perfume which made me rethink my negative initial impressions of that show. 

TIMESTAMPS:

00:01:51 – Perfume
00:16:07 – Search: WWW

Links:

Naver’s News Manipulation: Compromising K-pop’s International Fanbase? by Rimi and Gina
Anja’s author website
What’s Wrong with My Mother-in-Law Compilation Part 1 and Part 2
That split-screen montage we loved

 
—Awesome Patrons who support us—
Egads, Steven Blackmore, Lia W., Kimbap Noona, Hades, Gracefulegg, Divina, Jenmole, Saoirse10, Hamda, MCG, Humbledaisy, Eunice Choi, and Jojo!

Patreon: www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers
Twitter: @dramasoverflow
Email: dramasoverflowers@gmail.com
Blog: akdramapodcast.wordpress.com

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    In case beanies do not recognise our guest in her RL togs, it’s our very own @cloggie!

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SearchWWW ep 10 is tense & fraught & lovely & dreamlike & meta & heartbreaking & crackingly funny–

& so damn smart about life and about women.

Also, Jin-woo\’s unspoken love for Ga-kyung might as well be written in flashing neon lights and it is KILLING MEEEE

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    Why can’t these two just run away from their toxic families together, and he can happily make rom-coms that she can then critique for being overly idealistic.

    This is the couple I’m rooting for the hardest in this drama

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      I have to agree that Ep 10 was fantastic. I’m also in love with Scarlett and Seol Ji-hwan’s romance arc, which is simply adorable? And Barro’s work culture. Please let me get a job at a Barro one day, universe!

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        I’m ready to work there too.

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        Yes, they are so cute! Her face when he was saying all that killed me.

        And yes please, can I also work at Barro? That end sequence, from Ta-mi and Ara’s convo in the car on was just perfect.

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      I was thinking the same thing. They should fulfil her dream of disappearing together.

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    You are certainly correct in that it was an excellent episode.
    1. Seol Ji-hwan’s not-so-subtle confession to Scarlett was heart-fluttering.
    2. When Jin-woo insisted on eating Ga-kyung’s food with a smile – made me smile inside.
    3. Tammy holding Morgan like a mother holding her child – well, was a little much for me. But I was glad to see him finally start opening up to her.
    4. The scene with the whole team at the end laughing and drinking and calling Alex director – and the song that was playing- I LOVED it. But most especially the little bits of each one going home to their own lives – gave us a little glimpse into each one a bit more.
    LOVED this episode!!! And now all the music is on my music list.

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      Agreed on all counts! I was flailing too much when I posted this to calmly list out my points like you though, haha. The endings of both episodes this week were perfect.

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Our latest episode of What’s Up in Dramaland! News, plus SO MANY JULY PREMIERES. To help everyone keep track of the massive list, we have compiled them with helpful summaries and interesting notes on our blog, here.)

Rimi’s article on YG

TIME STAMP – 
01:09 – Song Hye-kyo and Song Joong-ki file for divorce
02:41 – YG CEO resigns amidst corruption charges
05:01 – Jung Joon-young and Choi Jong-hoon face charges
08:10 – Spycam culprit sentenced
11:21 – Actors want their cut from YouTube reruns
16:28 – Parasite inspires propaganda
18:23 – Russian Crime Show to be remade in Korea

UPCOMING!
19:44 – Designated Survivor: 60 days
22:08 – Love Affairs in the Afternoon
23:40 – Watcher
26:19 – Level Up
30:23 – Hotel Del Luna
39:14 – Justice
41:36 – Class of Lies
42:37 – Doctor Detective
43:55 – Rookie Historian Gu Hae-ryung
45:04 – Doctor John
47:51 – Moment at Eighteen
50:41 – Let Me Hear Your Song
53:56 – Welcome 2 Life
57:31 – When the Devil Calls Your Name
01:00:03 – Melo Suits Me
—Awesome Patrons who support us—
@egads 
Steven Blackmore
Lia W.
@kimbapmoona
@hades@gracefulegg
Divina
@jenmole@saoirse10
Patreon | Transcripts | Twitter |
Email: dramasoverflowers@gmail.com


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    I’ve been trying for hours but it keeps ignoring my line breaks, so I’m just going to leave it this time so I can post the episode. Sorry about the formatting everyone!

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      No worries. Are you using a specific html tag for the line breaks or are you just using spaces normally.

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        Sorry, was 4th-of-Julying! I tried putting a br tag in, and also just regular spaces, but both gave me the above result, which normally doesn’t happen :/

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          No worries. I hope you enjoyed yourself.

          I just tried using the p and br tags myself but they don’t seem to work. You might have to rely on regular spacing to get what you want.

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If y\’all are children of the 90s like me, you probably watched Disney\’s Aladdin on repeat. Check out my review of the perplexing, better cast, but still highly Orientalist remake here:

https://anisakhalifa.com/2019/05/27/film-review-the-new-aladdins-updated-casting-cant-resolve-its-flawed-foundations/

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We bring you some updates to the Burning Sun controversy, the tale of Park Yoochun’s expulsion from his agency, our anticipation of Ji Chang-wook’s next project, and some discussions of Korean multiculturalism. Plus the new dramas of May and what we expect from them!

(00:10:53 – We move on from the Burning Sun update to other news.)

—Awesome Patrons who support us—
@egads 
Steven Blackmore
Lia W. 
@kimbapnoona 
@hades
Gracefulegg
Divina
Jenmole
saoirse10

IMPORTANT LINKS:
1. Burning Sun update, translated by The Korean: twitter.com/AskAKorean/status/1120731744720826369

2. A thread by writer Wei Ting about the long history of sex trafficking in Korea and its roots in foreign occupation, first by Japan and then the US twitter.com/intewig/status/1120854717884555264 

3. Two allegations of group sexual assault by JJY, CJH and others www.soompi.com/article/1319396wp…on-group-chatroom 

4. Park Yoochun expelled from agency: www.soompi.com/article/1319722wp…ys-he-will-retire 

5. Racist Korean restaurants in India: www.thenewsminute.com/article/no-ent…ms-staff-77970

6. Korean resistance to refugees: www.koreaexpose.com/south-korea-xen…gees-situation/

7. Survey about the acceptance of multiculturalism among Korean adults and youth www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190418000775

8. Young Women In South Korea Are Driving An Era Of Change www.huffpost.com/entry/south-kore…e4b09dc528ced991

Patreon: www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers
Transcripts: akdramapodcast.wordpress.com
Email: dramasoverflowers@gmail.com
Twitter: @dramasoverflow

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    Oops, somehow the links got chopped! Check the description of the episode on Soundcloud for proper links to the articles. Sorry fam!

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Here’s a special farewell to 2018 episode: a Year-End Yak! We go over all the dramas we’ve loved and hated with a passion, as well as honorable mentions, non-2018 stuff we loved, what we wish we’d watched, and more.

Happy New Year, everyone! Thanks for spending 2018 with us! Whether it was an intermission or a crescendo, we hope it was exactly what you needed.

Tell us about your 2018 watchlist! Check out the #DecemberDramas reviews everyone has been writing on Twitter. And take a look at the free bonus episodes uploaded on Patreon here: http://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

TIME STAMPS:
00:03:00 – 2018 retrospective
00:10:10 – Paroma’s Honorable Mentions
00:27:43 – Anisa’s Honorable Mentions
00:29:56 – Saya’s Honorable Mentions
00:38:49 – BEST DRAMAS OF 2018
01:25:33 – WORST DRAMAS OF 2018
01:41:59 – Great Dramas We Missed This Year
01:51:25 – Non 2018 Dramas We Watched This Year
01:54:34 – Best Non Korean Dramas of 2018

MEET OUR AWESOME PATRONS:

@egads
Steven B.
Lia W.
@kimbapnoona
@hades

Dramas Over Flowers:
Twitter – @dramasoverflow
Email – starsinourpocket@gmail.com
Patreon – http://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

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    I’m enjoying this so much! @paroma and I should never be permitted to watch a drama in the same room. We agree on sticky points of many dramas and yet her loves are often my hate watches. I’m afraid we’d ruin the dramas for each other.

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      Thanks! Haha but half the fun is in arguing about things we don’t agree on, right? 😉

      Happy New Year!

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      Oh nooo! What did I love that you hated? I have to know now!

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        Your favorite was one of my hate watches. Sorry. I wanted to like it but I felt like the main theme was lost (and killed with PPL that often supported an opposite message).

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          Oh I’ll totally give you that. The PPL were peddling a very different message from the drama. But as @saya said (when defending INAR) I loved the story so much that that just didn’t matter to me. I could overlook it.
          But this is why I wish one of them had watched MIGB – they could have brought this very glaring problem up during the episode and we could have discussed it.

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        I loved Dance Sports Girls to pieces and it’s eclipsed other youth dramas for me. The bonus is that it healed my APAD heart (not a Ye-liner, one of my other disagreements).

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It’s time for the final Long Yak of the year! I can’t believe it. Don’t forget to come hang out with us on Twitter, where we’re doing one-tweet reviews of everything we watched in 2018 with the hashtag #DecemberDramas! (Also gifs. SO MANY gifs.)

Happy year-end, and happy holidays. Thank for all the love you gave us this year, for listening and supporting us, and especially to our Patreon patrons – you’ve completely blown us away with your generosity. ❤️

00:02:09 – Email: How to get involved in the Kdrama Fandom?
00:11:26 – Patreon shoutouts!

CURRENTLY AIRING –
00:15:27 – THE LAST EMPRESS
00:27:27 – TOP STAR YOO BAEK
00:45:13 – CLEAN WITH PASSION FOR NOW
00:56:37 – RED MOON BLUE SUN
01:01:55 – MEMORIES OF THE ALHAMBRA

COMPLETED DRAMAS –
01:13:14 – WHERE STARS LAND/FOX BRIDE STAR
01:30:25 – TERIUS BEHIND ME
01:34:46 – FAMILIAR WIFE
01:36:02 – BEAUTY INSIDE
01:46:15 – THE SMILE HAS LEFT YOUR EYES

UPCOMING DECEMBER DRAMAS –
01:52:29 – Fates and Furies
01:52:36 – Coffee Please
01:57:15 – Just Dance/ Dance Sports Girls
01:59:17 – The Return of Revenge

MEET OUR AWESOME PATRONS –

@egads
Steven B.
Lia W.
@kimbapnoona
@hades

Dramas Over Flowers:
Twitter – @dramasoverflow
Email – starsinourpocket@gmail.com
Patreon – http://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

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    I listened to it already. I appreciated hearing the variety of opinions about the dramas plus it made me think a little more about why I disliked Fox Bride Star so much. Paroma and I have almost opposite taste sometimes, but we both disliked that one for the same reasons.

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      Thanks so much for listening! Yeah, we don’t always agree, but FBS was so egregious.

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Aaaah the November Long Yak, with @saya and @festerfaster, where we discuss the Dramafever shutdown, and then:

– FOX BRIDE STAR/WHERE STARS LAND
– BEAUTY INSIDE
– TERIUS BEHIND ME
– PLAYER
– GHOST DETECTIVE
– THE SMILE HAS LEFT YOUR EYES/HUNDRED MILLION STARS FROM THE SKY
– KIM’S CONVENIENCE

– We finish off with a quick look at upcoming November dramas.

And finally: we launched a Patreon page. We love doing this podcast, but we need a bit of help! Here: https://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

Dramas Over Flowers:
Twitter – @dramasoverflow
Email – starsinourpocket@gmail.com

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Yes, I’m terrible, and once again posting a backlog of episodes of Dramas Over Flowers because I forgot/was too busy with school. I only love kdrama school anymore guys, honestly.

Episode 26: Kpop and its International Fans

@festerfaster and I get @greenfields (Rimi) and @sicarius to come tell us why Kpop is invading the world, and how things work behind the scenes in the Korean music industry. (Links under the timestamps)

TIME STAMPS:
00:02:43 – Woes of Being a Kpop fan outside US
00:04:13 – Is Kpop a genre?
00:07:01 – Are Drama OSTs Kpop?
00:11:17 – How did you two come to this fandom?
00:16:59 – What is a Bias?
00:18:21 – Why Seventeen has 13 members
00:21:46 – Are Band dynamics scripted?
00:25:04 – Korean language lends itself well to rapping
00:27:39 – why Kpop rap is different from american/indian rap
00:32:07 – Conflict between an idol and a rapper
00:37:50 – Why are boybands more popular than girl groups internationally
00:40:46 – why do rimi and sica like boy bands more
00:44:24 – bromancey gimmicks on stage
00:46:15 – girl groups subjected to the male gaze
00:48:36 – how fangirls are maligned
00:50:54 – Toxic fandom and sasaengs
00:51:57 – When fans dictate what artists do
00:54:18 – HyunA and E’Dawn leaving Cube
00:55:52 – why companies promote fan obsession?
00:57:52 – slave contracts and lawsuits
01:01:19 – The East Light controversy
01:04:37 – why speaking the truth is hard under Korean Law
01:07:39 – Self produced artists
01:13:53 – opportunities for marginalised artists like Holland
01:17:27 – Do Kdramas portray idols well?
01:19:14 – Drama: SHUT UP FLOWER BOY BAND
01:20:58 – Drama: BEST HIT
01:22:52 – Suga’s mixtapes about the idol trainee life
01:25:20 – Favourite Groups

LINKS:

Sicarius’ post – http://www.dramabeans.com/members/sicariu…ctivity/634903/

Rimi’s Kpop covers – soundcloud.com/user-496240984/tracks
Realgreenfields – Tokyo

Dramas Over Flowers:
Twitter – @dramasoverflow
Email – starsinourpocket@gmail.com
Patreon – http://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers

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It’s Episode 25! In this Long Yak, @saya, @festerfaster and I pontificate about the following dramas:

We’ve started:
Familiar Wife
Terius Behind Me
Full House
Life
The Ghost Detective
Heart Surgeons

Plus final thoughts on:
30 but 17
My ID is Gangnam Beauty
Time

Places you can listen to us:
> Soundcloud
> YouTube
> RSS
> Apple Podcasts

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Another anniversary goodie: We did a Full House audio commentary for ep. 1! Watch and giggle along at the cheesy meet-cute and bad fashion of baby-faced Rain & Song Hye-gyo. 🙂

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AN ANNOUNCEMENT

We’ve changed our name! Stars in My Pocket will henceforth be known as DRAMAS OVER FLOWERS, because no one could remember what we were called, lol. Otherwise, same three crazy noonas.

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