Yes, I’m terrible, and once again posting a backlog of episodes of Dramas Over Flowers because I forgot/was too busy with school. I only love kdrama school anymore guys, honestly.
Episode 26: Kpop and its International Fans
@festerfaster and I get @greenfields (Rimi) and @sicarius to come tell us why Kpop is invading the world, and how things work behind the scenes in the Korean music industry. (Links under the timestamps)
TIME STAMPS:
00:02:43 – Woes of Being a Kpop fan outside US
00:04:13 – Is Kpop a genre?
00:07:01 – Are Drama OSTs Kpop?
00:11:17 – How did you two come to this fandom?
00:16:59 – What is a Bias?
00:18:21 – Why Seventeen has 13 members
00:21:46 – Are Band dynamics scripted?
00:25:04 – Korean language lends itself well to rapping
00:27:39 – why Kpop rap is different from american/indian rap
00:32:07 – Conflict between an idol and a rapper
00:37:50 – Why are boybands more popular than girl groups internationally
00:40:46 – why do rimi and sica like boy bands more
00:44:24 – bromancey gimmicks on stage
00:46:15 – girl groups subjected to the male gaze
00:48:36 – how fangirls are maligned
00:50:54 – Toxic fandom and sasaengs
00:51:57 – When fans dictate what artists do
00:54:18 – HyunA and E’Dawn leaving Cube
00:55:52 – why companies promote fan obsession?
00:57:52 – slave contracts and lawsuits
01:01:19 – The East Light controversy
01:04:37 – why speaking the truth is hard under Korean Law
01:07:39 – Self produced artists
01:13:53 – opportunities for marginalised artists like Holland
01:17:27 – Do Kdramas portray idols well?
01:19:14 – Drama: SHUT UP FLOWER BOY BAND
01:20:58 – Drama: BEST HIT
01:22:52 – Suga’s mixtapes about the idol trainee life
01:25:20 – Favourite Groups
Another anniversary goodie: We did a Full House audio commentary for ep. 1! Watch and giggle along at the cheesy meet-cute and bad fashion of baby-faced Rain & Song Hye-gyo. 🙂
We’ve changed our name! Stars in My Pocket will henceforth be known as DRAMAS OVER FLOWERS, because no one could remember what we were called, lol. Otherwise, same three crazy noonas.
I can’t believe it, but we’ve been podcasting for a whole year! To celebrate our anniversary, @saya, @festerfaster and I decided to do a special episode where we chill and yak about how fell in love with Korean dramas, why we stayed, and what our first dramas were.
I agree so much with the Netflix discussion. I don’t like that they aren’t airing new K-dramas as they air in Korea. I feel like Netflix is losing an important (to me) part of Korean dramas when the subtitles ignore the personal nouns (titles, relationships, kinships) used in the dramas and when they switch the order of the names. If I can watch a K-drama on another site in the US, I go there instead of Netflix.
Back with our fifth (extreeemely) long yak, @saya, @festerfaster and me do our best to cover a large chunk of currently airing and upcoming dramas, as well as K-ent news and a list our favourite drama OSTs that rapidly got out of hand. (Link to the YouTube playlist below!)
Dramas we’re watching:
– WHAT’S WRONG WITH SECRETARY KIM
– GREASY MELO/WOK OF LOVE
– ARE YOU HUMAN TOO
– SKETCH
– SUITS
– BECAUSE THIS LIFE IS OUR FIRST
– WE MARRIED AS A JOB (aka Nigeru wa Haji da ga Yaku ni Tatsu, J-drama
(1:05:27)
News:
– Kim Hee-ae’s new film about comfort women
– Jo Jung-seok and Gummy getting married! Yay!
– Lee Je-hoon x Chae Soo-bin pairing for upcoming FOX BRIDE STAR
– New cross-dressing sageuk in the works, Mung Bean Chronicles
– 3 BBC shows getting Korean remakes
(1:28:38)
And then we take a look forward at the million dramas coming out in July:
– YOUR HOUSE-HELPER
– MR. SUNSHINE
– LET’S EAT 3
– LIFE
– ABOUT HER
– MY ID IS GANGNAM BEAUTY
– RISKY ROMANCE
(1:40:49)
Finally, the Question of the Yak: Which drama OSTs have found a permanent home on your playlists?
[you can find individual timestamps for each item on the SC page]
In this episode, guests Odessa Jones and @pogo1 join me to discuss #MeToo and the Korean entertainment industry, toxic tropes in kdramas, and how things might be changing.
Already commented on Saya’s post, but I only listened to a little bit and just have to say: jerk male leads must go! Wrist-grabbing must go! And I’m so happy that it seems that these characterizations are changing!
I didn’t hear them mentioned specifically in the bit I was able to listen to (I jumped right to when you were talking about SIG 💖) but we need more Dong-hoons, more Gang-doos, more Se-hees~ some of my favorite heroes.
I didn’t catch any of my personal ultimate favorites in the bit I listened to, but there are several heroes/shows mentioned that I haven’t had the chance to watch or were not on my radar, but they’ve now been added to the list! Thanks so much!
I agreed with all that you gals mentioned about being happy for the change to much nicer male leads, and actually that’s why I’m so happy with Lawless Lawyer, Sang Pil has trauma in his past but he never takes it out on Jae Yi and it’s pretty clear early on that he really admires her and likes her and he doesn’t need to hide it behind aggression.
On the other hand I heard someone mention a lot Pretty Noona and it’s take on sexual harassment in the workplace and I remember feeling the same way early on in my watching but I ended up exhausted, disappointed and pessimistic about how will we be able to make effective change when it can’t be done even in a fictional version of our world.
We ended up pretty exhausted and tired out by Pretty Noona too (this podcast ep was recorded almost a month ago). At this point, we’re debating whether to even bother recording a post-show deep dive for a drama that let us down so badly. =(
yeah I can understand that because it might just be an exercise in frustration to talk about everything that could of been, but it could also be sort of therapeutic to just lay those feelings of frustration out and just let them air out so that they’re not pent up inside.
Part 2 of our Looooong Yak! This time we talk about Cdramas, including the estimable Nirvana in Fire! And @saya asks me and @festerfaster: How do we choose what to watch?
I missed this because I was in the middle of a slump. @saya loves NIF! *blows kisses*
Don’t let the 54 episodes deter you @laica and @festerfaster! I wasn’t as disciplined as Saya. *cough* It took me a few episodes to get used to the storytelling style and the bombardment of character introductions, so I took a break after episode 12. But after episode 18 I couldn’t stop and marathoned it over a weekend.
By the way, I finished NIF2. It was entertaining but more of a straightforward story, not the mind-blowing experience that was NIF.
Thank you for listening! It was actually @festerfaster trying to get the two of us to watch. Maybe we’ll have a drama slump this summer and get to it then? I definitely want to watch, my list is just so looooong :'(
Part 1 of this month’s extrasuperlong Yak is up! @saya, @festerfaster and I discuss Misty, Mother, Mystery Queen 2, Radio Romance, The Great Seducer, Shall We Kiss First, and some older stuff!
*Super* agree with @saya on Radio Romance. I wanted to say it but I felt so guilty criticizing Kim So Hyun Because she’s so young… I mean it wasn’t completely her fault. The writing was off as well. I just didn’t feel the chemistry.
I just want to take a moment to reiterate how awesome Beanies are. You guys are truly a miracle: an internet community that\’s consistently kind, smart, and hilarious. Thanks for 2017, friends. ❤️❤️❤️
Our last podcast of 2017 is a Throwback Edition. Join me, @saya and @festerfaster and our special guest Odessa Jones as we talk about Ji Sung and Hwang Jung-eum’s dark, twisted melodrama Secret.
My full-length podcast debut, eeek! Join @festerfaster, @Saya and me as we squee over the awesome friendships and awkward romance in Fight My Way. We had so much fun doing this—hope you all enjoy! ❤
Laica
December 10, 2018 at 3:35 PM
Yes, I’m terrible, and once again posting a backlog of episodes of Dramas Over Flowers because I forgot/was too busy with school. I only love kdrama school anymore guys, honestly.
Episode 26: Kpop and its International Fans
@festerfaster and I get @greenfields (Rimi) and @sicarius to come tell us why Kpop is invading the world, and how things work behind the scenes in the Korean music industry. (Links under the timestamps)
TIME STAMPS:
00:02:43 – Woes of Being a Kpop fan outside US
00:04:13 – Is Kpop a genre?
00:07:01 – Are Drama OSTs Kpop?
00:11:17 – How did you two come to this fandom?
00:16:59 – What is a Bias?
00:18:21 – Why Seventeen has 13 members
00:21:46 – Are Band dynamics scripted?
00:25:04 – Korean language lends itself well to rapping
00:27:39 – why Kpop rap is different from american/indian rap
00:32:07 – Conflict between an idol and a rapper
00:37:50 – Why are boybands more popular than girl groups internationally
00:40:46 – why do rimi and sica like boy bands more
00:44:24 – bromancey gimmicks on stage
00:46:15 – girl groups subjected to the male gaze
00:48:36 – how fangirls are maligned
00:50:54 – Toxic fandom and sasaengs
00:51:57 – When fans dictate what artists do
00:54:18 – HyunA and E’Dawn leaving Cube
00:55:52 – why companies promote fan obsession?
00:57:52 – slave contracts and lawsuits
01:01:19 – The East Light controversy
01:04:37 – why speaking the truth is hard under Korean Law
01:07:39 – Self produced artists
01:13:53 – opportunities for marginalised artists like Holland
01:17:27 – Do Kdramas portray idols well?
01:19:14 – Drama: SHUT UP FLOWER BOY BAND
01:20:58 – Drama: BEST HIT
01:22:52 – Suga’s mixtapes about the idol trainee life
01:25:20 – Favourite Groups
LINKS:
Sicarius’ post – http://www.dramabeans.com/members/sicariu…ctivity/634903/
Rimi’s Kpop covers – soundcloud.com/user-496240984/tracks
Realgreenfields – Tokyo
Dramas Over Flowers:
Twitter – @dramasoverflow
Email – starsinourpocket@gmail.com
Patreon – http://www.patreon.com/dramasoverflowers
Laica
October 16, 2018 at 10:18 PM
It’s Episode 25! In this Long Yak, @saya, @festerfaster and I pontificate about the following dramas:
We’ve started:
Familiar Wife
Terius Behind Me
Full House
Life
The Ghost Detective
Heart Surgeons
Plus final thoughts on:
30 but 17
My ID is Gangnam Beauty
Time
Places you can listen to us:
> Soundcloud
> YouTube
> RSS
> Apple Podcasts
Laica
October 13, 2018 at 4:53 PM
Another anniversary goodie: We did a Full House audio commentary for ep. 1! Watch and giggle along at the cheesy meet-cute and bad fashion of baby-faced Rain & Song Hye-gyo. 🙂
Laica
October 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM
AN ANNOUNCEMENT
We’ve changed our name! Stars in My Pocket will henceforth be known as DRAMAS OVER FLOWERS, because no one could remember what we were called, lol. Otherwise, same three crazy noonas.
Laica
October 2, 2018 at 9:05 AM
Also, our new twitter handle is @dramasoverflow! <- @saya came up with this brilliant name
mugyuljoie is preciousss
October 2, 2018 at 8:23 PM
That is brilliant!
Laica
October 2, 2018 at 8:22 AM
I have no excuse for posting this over a month late, except that grad school is kicking my butt *sweatdrop*
Enjoy! And look for the next yak soon, I promise I will post it in a timely manner.
Laica
September 8, 2018 at 6:13 PM
I can’t believe it, but we’ve been podcasting for a whole year! To celebrate our anniversary, @saya, @festerfaster and I decided to do a special episode where we chill and yak about how fell in love with Korean dramas, why we stayed, and what our first dramas were.
Places you can listen to us:
> Soundcloud
> YouTube
> RSS
> Apple Podcasts
하데스
September 8, 2018 at 6:32 PM
Congrats and Happy Anniversary!
Laica
September 8, 2018 at 8:04 PM
Thank you so much!
wakimary
September 8, 2018 at 8:28 PM
🎊🎉happy podcast anniv!🎉🎊
Congrats and more podcasts! 😁
Laica
September 8, 2018 at 9:35 PM
Thank you wakimary!
korfan
September 8, 2018 at 9:17 PM
Happy Anniversary!
Laica
September 8, 2018 at 9:35 PM
Thank you korfan!
Waadmay
September 8, 2018 at 9:25 PM
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Laica
September 8, 2018 at 9:36 PM
Thank you, Waadmay!
Waadmay
September 9, 2018 at 12:57 AM
You’re welcome 💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝
Jellybn
September 8, 2018 at 9:53 PM
Yay! Congrats! Here’s to many more!!🎉
acacia
September 9, 2018 at 12:26 AM
Happy anniversary! Just recently started listening to your podcasts a few weeks ago and I look forward to seeing your guys’ podcast posts on db!
Laica
August 17, 2018 at 7:40 PM
n episode 21 of our August Long Yak, @saya, @festerfaster and I pontificate about:
CURRENTLY AIRING CDRAMAS
– Legend Of Fuyao
– Meteor Garden 2018
COMPLETED KDRAMA
– The Undateables
– Lawless Lawyer
– Sketch
– Argon
– What’s Wrong With Secretary Kim
UPCOMING KDRAMA
– Familiar Wife
– Voice 2
– Lovely Horribly
– Ghost Detective
QUESTION OF THE YAK – Heroines who lost their backbone?
(obligatory penguin aje gag)
Places you can listen to us:
> Soundcloud
> YouTube
> RSS
> Apple Podcasts
Laica
August 17, 2018 at 7:37 PM
This month’s Yak is so long we had to split into TWO parts!
In ep 20, @saya, @festerfaster and I discuss:
NEWS
– good oppas and problematics “oppa”s
– @netflix and their approach to #kdrama
– a non-korean kpop boy band?
CURRENTLY AIRING KDRAMA
– Mr Sunshine
– Your House Helper
– Thirty But Seventeen
– Time
– Life on Mars
– Your Honor
Places you can listen to us:
> Soundcloud
> YouTube
> RSS
> Apple Podcasts
mugyuljoie is preciousss
August 17, 2018 at 9:14 PM
Thank you!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
August 18, 2018 at 8:04 AM
I agree so much with the Netflix discussion. I don’t like that they aren’t airing new K-dramas as they air in Korea. I feel like Netflix is losing an important (to me) part of Korean dramas when the subtitles ignore the personal nouns (titles, relationships, kinships) used in the dramas and when they switch the order of the names. If I can watch a K-drama on another site in the US, I go there instead of Netflix.
Laica
July 6, 2018 at 10:53 AM
Back with our fifth (extreeemely) long yak, @saya, @festerfaster and me do our best to cover a large chunk of currently airing and upcoming dramas, as well as K-ent news and a list our favourite drama OSTs that rapidly got out of hand. (Link to the YouTube playlist below!)
Dramas we’re watching:
– WHAT’S WRONG WITH SECRETARY KIM
– GREASY MELO/WOK OF LOVE
– ARE YOU HUMAN TOO
– SKETCH
– SUITS
– BECAUSE THIS LIFE IS OUR FIRST
– WE MARRIED AS A JOB (aka Nigeru wa Haji da ga Yaku ni Tatsu, J-drama
(1:05:27)
News:
– Kim Hee-ae’s new film about comfort women
– Jo Jung-seok and Gummy getting married! Yay!
– Lee Je-hoon x Chae Soo-bin pairing for upcoming FOX BRIDE STAR
– New cross-dressing sageuk in the works, Mung Bean Chronicles
– 3 BBC shows getting Korean remakes
(1:28:38)
And then we take a look forward at the million dramas coming out in July:
– YOUR HOUSE-HELPER
– MR. SUNSHINE
– LET’S EAT 3
– LIFE
– ABOUT HER
– MY ID IS GANGNAM BEAUTY
– RISKY ROMANCE
(1:40:49)
Finally, the Question of the Yak: Which drama OSTs have found a permanent home on your playlists?
[you can find individual timestamps for each item on the SC page]
LINKS:
Sarah Rees Berman’s hilarious thread about I Am Human Too
Our Favorite Kdrama OSTs Playlist
Stars in My Pocket: A K-Drama Podcast is also available at:
YouTube
RSS
Apple Podcasts
Paroma
July 6, 2018 at 12:21 PM
Sarah Rees Brennan. I don’t know how she turned into a Berman in our notes. XD
Laica
July 6, 2018 at 4:18 PM
Oops! Sorry guys!
pickledplumtree
July 29, 2018 at 11:33 AM
That thread link doesn’t work but I’m interested!
Laica
July 29, 2018 at 2:41 PM
I don’t know why it turned into a bad link – sorry! Here it is again, hope it works this time. (And thanks for listening!) https://twitter.com/sarahreesbrenna/status/1007017611048218626
pickledplumtree
August 4, 2018 at 3:43 PM
That IS hilarious!
Laica
May 29, 2018 at 2:49 PM
Since I\’m a wrongly accused fugitive right now, I feel like I should change my avatar to a picture of Dramatic Lee Joon-ki
Min
May 29, 2018 at 2:53 PM
I vote yay!
Waadmay
May 29, 2018 at 3:09 PM
Great 💯💯
bam 🐢🐌💖~
May 29, 2018 at 3:28 PM
Yess!
wakimary
May 29, 2018 at 7:45 PM
I vote for Oppa’s pic from Two Weeks!
deadlybaby
May 29, 2018 at 8:51 PM
is this a fugitive of joseon reference
Laica
May 30, 2018 at 9:30 PM
Also a Two Weeks reference. And maybe Iljimae? There are so many tbh
Laica
May 28, 2018 at 12:58 PM
In this episode, guests Odessa Jones and @pogo1 join me to discuss #MeToo and the Korean entertainment industry, toxic tropes in kdramas, and how things might be changing.
Laica
May 28, 2018 at 12:59 PM
Also, @festerfaster pops in with some important insights, and @saya was more behind the scenes this time. (Darn this 200 character limit!)
natzillagorilla
May 28, 2018 at 1:01 PM
YES!!
I was just looking for something to listen to while I make lunch/eat.
Thanks for sharing!
Laica
May 28, 2018 at 1:38 PM
Thanks for listening! 🙂
mindy🐌
May 28, 2018 at 1:08 PM
Already commented on Saya’s post, but I only listened to a little bit and just have to say: jerk male leads must go! Wrist-grabbing must go! And I’m so happy that it seems that these characterizations are changing!
I didn’t hear them mentioned specifically in the bit I was able to listen to (I jumped right to when you were talking about SIG 💖) but we need more Dong-hoons, more Gang-doos, more Se-hees~ some of my favorite heroes.
Laica
May 28, 2018 at 1:39 PM
Absolutely agree!
Ooh yes, I don’t recall if we mentioned Gang-doo, but I loved him so much. (You’re referring to Just Between Lovers, I hope?)
mindy🐌
May 28, 2018 at 1:45 PM
Yes, Just Between Lovers!
I didn’t catch any of my personal ultimate favorites in the bit I listened to, but there are several heroes/shows mentioned that I haven’t had the chance to watch or were not on my radar, but they’ve now been added to the list! Thanks so much!
Min
May 28, 2018 at 1:55 PM
I agreed with all that you gals mentioned about being happy for the change to much nicer male leads, and actually that’s why I’m so happy with Lawless Lawyer, Sang Pil has trauma in his past but he never takes it out on Jae Yi and it’s pretty clear early on that he really admires her and likes her and he doesn’t need to hide it behind aggression.
On the other hand I heard someone mention a lot Pretty Noona and it’s take on sexual harassment in the workplace and I remember feeling the same way early on in my watching but I ended up exhausted, disappointed and pessimistic about how will we be able to make effective change when it can’t be done even in a fictional version of our world.
Paroma
May 28, 2018 at 2:27 PM
We ended up pretty exhausted and tired out by Pretty Noona too (this podcast ep was recorded almost a month ago). At this point, we’re debating whether to even bother recording a post-show deep dive for a drama that let us down so badly. =(
Min
May 28, 2018 at 2:34 PM
yeah I can understand that because it might just be an exercise in frustration to talk about everything that could of been, but it could also be sort of therapeutic to just lay those feelings of frustration out and just let them air out so that they’re not pent up inside.
Laica
May 2, 2018 at 11:47 AM
Stars in My Pocket’s First Impressions series is back! Check out our eps 1-4 discussion/squeeing/incoherent noona love. @saya @festerfaster
Laica
April 20, 2018 at 9:09 AM
Part 2 of our Looooong Yak! This time we talk about Cdramas, including the estimable Nirvana in Fire! And @saya asks me and @festerfaster: How do we choose what to watch?
WishfulToki
May 21, 2018 at 8:37 AM
I missed this because I was in the middle of a slump. @saya loves NIF! *blows kisses*
Don’t let the 54 episodes deter you @laica and @festerfaster! I wasn’t as disciplined as Saya. *cough* It took me a few episodes to get used to the storytelling style and the bombardment of character introductions, so I took a break after episode 12. But after episode 18 I couldn’t stop and marathoned it over a weekend.
By the way, I finished NIF2. It was entertaining but more of a straightforward story, not the mind-blowing experience that was NIF.
Laica
May 21, 2018 at 8:57 PM
Thank you for listening! It was actually @festerfaster trying to get the two of us to watch. Maybe we’ll have a drama slump this summer and get to it then? I definitely want to watch, my list is just so looooong :'(
WishfulToki
May 22, 2018 at 2:20 AM
Whoops, it seems I randomly assigned names to the voices, sorry…Great taste @festerfaster!
Laica
April 9, 2018 at 11:21 AM
Part 1 of this month’s extrasuperlong Yak is up! @saya, @festerfaster and I discuss Misty, Mother, Mystery Queen 2, Radio Romance, The Great Seducer, Shall We Kiss First, and some older stuff!
JustMe
April 29, 2018 at 10:04 PM
*Super* agree with @saya on Radio Romance. I wanted to say it but I felt so guilty criticizing Kim So Hyun Because she’s so young… I mean it wasn’t completely her fault. The writing was off as well. I just didn’t feel the chemistry.
Laica
January 1, 2018 at 12:49 AM
I just want to take a moment to reiterate how awesome Beanies are. You guys are truly a miracle: an internet community that\’s consistently kind, smart, and hilarious. Thanks for 2017, friends. ❤️❤️❤️
Laica
December 31, 2017 at 9:24 PM
Our last podcast of 2017 is a Throwback Edition. Join me, @saya and @festerfaster and our special guest Odessa Jones as we talk about Ji Sung and Hwang Jung-eum’s dark, twisted melodrama Secret.
Laica
October 26, 2017 at 1:52 PM
Join us as we go back to school, and experience once again the highs and lows of being eighteen.
Tae-swoon and Eun-ho 4EVA
Paroma
October 27, 2017 at 9:59 AM
You know, we sound way smarter here than we did when we were actually recording. XD
Laica
November 2, 2017 at 8:15 PM
It’s your magical editing skills 😉
Laica
September 14, 2017 at 8:23 AM
My full-length podcast debut, eeek! Join @festerfaster, @Saya and me as we squee over the awesome friendships and awkward romance in Fight My Way. We had so much fun doing this—hope you all enjoy! ❤
Saya
September 14, 2017 at 9:01 AM
yay!
ObsessedMuch
September 14, 2017 at 10:22 AM
Congrats on your debut 😀
Will listen to it over the weekend 🙂
Laica
September 14, 2017 at 4:45 PM
Thank you @obsessedmuch! Can’t wait to hear what you think! 🙂
theredbackpack
September 14, 2017 at 9:43 PM
Congratulations guys! I’m so glad I decided to load one more page otherwise I would’ve missed it! Can’t wait to listen esp since this show was life 😀
Laica
September 14, 2017 at 11:38 PM
Yay, thanks for listening! 🙂
Laica
September 12, 2017 at 11:04 AM
First Impressions of Manhole (first 4 episodes) with @Saya – check it out! https://youtu.be/qg3xAZNgJMg
Laica
July 1, 2017 at 11:14 PM
Shi-mok: *looks at Yeo-jin with worry-face*
Yeo-jin: *dismisses the idea that Shi-mok might care*
Shi-mok: *pouts*
Me: *dies of cuteness*
gadis | clawing my way back after the longest drama slump
July 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM
OMG, his pout. It’s like the cutest. *squealing in high-pitched dolphin-like sound*