Beanie level: Fan club president

You know nothing about art
Climbs back into coffin

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#OctobINAR continues this weekend with episodes 5-8.

Join us and relive all the highs and lows of this wondrous modern fairy tale!

When: With the acknowledgement that pandemic time is meaningless and it’s all relative anyway, #OctobINAR continues at 7am AEDT on Saturday. This is Friday for many people. I’m sorry, I don’t make the rules. I mean I do make the rules of the rewatch. Just not of the rotation of the Earth

Wait, when?:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20211008T200000&p1=240&p2=136&p3=48&p4=64&p5=122&p6=176&p7=262&p8=248

Where: In our permanent #OctobINAR room at Kosmi
https://kosmi.app/xyqogn

Hope to see you there!

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R.I.P. hair flips

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Dali has more near misses than a Taiwanese romcom

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    Hahaha I remember watching a tw drama in my teens and they genuinely used the coincidence that they both called each other at the same time so couldn’t get through… (=_=)

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Oh I see, we’re going for James Dean, Rebel Without a Cause instead.
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NOOO…. NOT THE HAIR! How can you be a tragic Byronic hero without the hair?
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This year\’s OctobINAR will be a relaxed one. Pop in and out if you choose, no pressure on anybody.

It will start this weekend on Saturday and Sunday 0700 AEST.

The plan is still to watch four episodes a week for four weeks but we\’ll see how we go.

The location is Kosmi in our permanent OctobINAR room
https://kosmi.app/xyqogn

Time and date converter (sorry Asia): https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20211001T210000&p1=240&p2=48&p3=31&p4=136&p5=64&p6=122&p7=28&p8=176&p9=44

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    Maybe I can join, at least some days?
    I will let you know on Discord whenever I can 🙂

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Hard to believe but it is almost October and you know what that means – OctobINAR!

Next week begins the fourth annual rewatch of the iconic I\’m Not a Robot.

I know it\’ll be impossible to find a time that suits everybody and I am of course in a unique Zone of Time but I am hoping to find something that works for the largest group of people possible. Let me know if you\’re interested and what country you\’re from and I\’ll try to find a time that works for the majority of people

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    I knew Oktoberfest and Inktober but not OctobINAR.

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    Oh I recently rewatched this! If only I’d known…. Haha

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Equality and Equity in Squid Game

Equality and Equity in Squid Game

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    Only started watching this last night, will come back to read your thoughts. I like the first three episodes, intense and setting the scene and characters very well. This is a Lee Jung-Jae like never seen before but he nails it perfectly – pathetic but sympathetic all rolled into one.

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    I’m still on ep 6, will come back later for the rest of your post. That first part about the Japanese style vs. Korean sensibility was a nice explanation why I think the drama wasn’t a hit with some people. I like it so far. I’m not impartial, I’m into dramas or movies about games even when they are not great and Squid manages to be really good sometimes. Mainly, when it succeeds mashing its unlikable heroes with the extreme situation they are in. Yesterday I was trying to understand why ep 2 worked so well while ep 6 dragged and felt corny and out of place. People had said it was the opposite but I felt everything in the second ep was needed, it felt refreshing that they could choose to leave and at the same time it answers the question of why anyone would go back to that, while ep 6 had some characters behaving out of character and some things seemed rushed and manipulative. Also, that cop is weird, he should be scared out of his mind and he acts like it’s another day on the job kk.

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      I’m back and wondering if the writer was switched. The eps went kind of downhill after 5, ep 6 wasn’t a fluke, it was a new direction. The drama decided to have big emotional moments and made some dumb choices to get them, instead of sentiment and cleverness it delivered some cheap twists and superficial dramatics. I’m also probably less willing to forget it’s flaws because of the silly open ending. I like open endings but only when they follow the natural direction of the story.

      Those Vips were cartoon villains, didn’t match the realistic contestants, and no one would pay to be there just to leave a game for some quick sex with a random guy. The brother plot was useless, it would have been better if he had been a regular participant. Why have Front Man kill his own brother and not explain anything? I can imagine a dozen good explanations but it still felt lazy, either go there or don’t. The same for the creator, the Old Man and Minyeo were exagerated, larger characters, they should have been there for colorful supporting and instead had too much time. Where’s the fair decision in that vote if the owner made the choice for the real players? The bridge game,unlike the others, was entirely about chance, and the stupid explosion risked the survivors, also something the other games had not done. The differences and similarities between Gi-Hun and SangWoo were the best of the show in these last eps, it should have explored this more and forgot about silly twists. I could not believe GH would have risked his life in the fifth game just to protect the old man but believed him when he refused to take that last step over the squid lines. When GH finally won I thought we would get to have some resolution on his arc, there were many possibilitie. I wanted him to find out he could not become a good father only because he had plenty of money, that helping Cheol and SW’s mother would not be easy, but instead the boy was dropped like a sack of potatoes with a bag full of money. We don’t know what happened to any of them. I liked that guilt prevented him from using the money but even that could have been better explored, loved the GY cameo but it was ridiculous to have GH leave his family again to go chase some ghost gang, unless the idea was to say he was unable to learn how make better choices but it felt more like he became this red haired avenger.
      I loved your take on the criticism on capitalism but I think this drama could have made a much better exploration on the theme.

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        I think if you take the game as an analogy of capitalism then some of the decisions make more sense. The brother, for example, won the game and then embraced his new role within the system as someone who gets to enforce the rules rather than having to live by them. And the game’s lessons – that establishing a higher status in the system is more important than anything, including your own humanity – is represented by him even killing his own brother.

        As for GH, what he learnt from the game is the lesson he’d already learned – that there was no point in playing because even if you did win you’d still lose anything that was important. That’s why he let his daughter go to the US – because he was still refusing to play. And that’s why he refused to use the money. Guilt didn’t factor into it.

        The thing is though, that he was wrong. There are two types of people in this system – those who can choose to play the game and those that are above the game. And by winning, he was no longer one of the players. He was one of the ones above the game. By choosing not to play, he was now as bad as the VIPs – walking past that drunk freezing to death on the street and refusing to help. So instead of continuing to go on in his life refusing to get involved in anything, refusing to play, he instead chose to use his new position to help people. He had a new responsibility and for once in his life he’s decided to fulfil that responsibility.

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          Yes, that’s a nice explanation for the Front Man, I had imagined something like that. He seemed to really believe in that twisted game morality. Still, why would someone who would donate a kidney to his brother make him worried? Why pretend to be poor? It’s too many questions to ask the audience to come up with answers.

          I thought GH already has issues with guilt even before the game. All that talk about the company strike? I was waiting for the traditional kdrama flashback to show us how he believed what happened to that other worker was somehow his fault. And that and the lack of jobs sent him spinning toward gambling, which led to the guy we met. It never happened but the actor made me believe it kk.

          Anyway, I think he kind of imagined himself as a victim of chance when the game begun but later he did have a hand in the murder of the Old Man and won the fight with SW even if he refused the prize later, so yes, I think he was disappointed in people but he also included himself there, so that would lead to guilt, and a lot of nightmares. If instead of craziness it was only a refusal to play he would have to be a hypocrite, waiting a year before helping Cheol and SW’s mother just because he is pretending to be a zombie. Even if zombie style was rather nice for that guy kk.

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        I do agree btw that all of this could have been done better. I think the drama said what it needed to say but because half of it was deeply metaphorical shorthand and the other was character study, the two halves clashed and confused people.

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Hey, it’s that guy! I’m sure he did a drama or two back in the day. Maybe a film too?
@ally-le
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Quite a while ago now I promised a post on why I thought The Smile Has Left your Eyes is such a badly plotted drama. It’s been a while but it’s finally here.

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We’ve talked about it before but here it is:
Pushing Daisies as a kdrama…

If Pushing Daisies was a kdrama

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    This is marvelous! I would SO WATCH this show. But now I realize I haven’t seen the original and will now add it to my list of shows to watch.
    I wonder how you can get this made in SK – who do weyou need to talk to???

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    I’ve heard a lot of praise for Pushing Daisies. It seems like a lot of people were upset that it got cancelled.

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    After reading, I’m fully onboard. I think you need a Jang Na-ra alternative though since I can’t see her taking a non lead role. I suggest Lee Ah-hyun.

    Junho is just perfect for this (let’s hope his agency reads your blog).

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    I loved Pushing Daisies! And I will watch the kdrama version for sure!

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    What? Kim Seul-Gi as a second lead? Again? I protest! :p

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      think of it as an amazing vehicle to more roles in future dramas. This is not a second lead but rather an integral interesting character that is absolutely necessary to the plot and requires a very specific type of actor, which KSG is.

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        She has been “the vehicle to more roles in future dramas” since a long time now.

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    Pushing Daisies is a fantastic drama with an incredible cast. I wish that we would’ve been able to see where the story would’ve taken the characters.

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    You had to choose Junho as ML, didn’t you…
    I’ve always wanted to see this as a kdrama ever since you mentioned it for the first time, but now you say Junho. So if there is ever a remake of PD and no Junho on it I will cry rivers.

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I finish up my reviews of 2021s best show, Beyond Evil, a piece of wonderfully produced television with fantastic performances

Open Thread: Beyond Evil Episode 13-16 (End)

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Joo-won feels responsible for yet another death and is determined that his pursuit of the case will not risk any more lives. But with Dong-shik back in the game, the two can now try to find out what happened 20 years ago and how it resulted in what’s happening now
Open Thread: Beyond Evil Episode 11-12

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    So true. Beyond Evil focuses on an unresolved loss and the ripples that continue to radiate out, washing up against every life in the town. Dong-Shik is stuck. Choi Dae-hoon’s portrayal of Park Jung-jae was stunning and gut wrenching. I’m re-watching it all and marveling at the writing. All the pieces are there from the beginning and from one episode to the next, they are put in their right place. When I first watched, I now realise, I was a bit bewildered by what seemed like switches from one suspicious person to the next. Now it seems more measured and less manipulated. My lasting impressions will be the interactions between Joo-won and Dong-shik, from being antagonists to becoming partners; from taunting each other with their mutual suspicions, to a deep and lasting affection born out their mutual responsibility, integrity, and shared grief. I’m loving it all again. How is it so good?

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I decided to spend my weekend watching this fun cohabitation romcom between a man and his mother!
It was so sweet and romantic!
I think Korea should do more incest, it’s so good at it!
*rant below*
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    This is the text of my MDL review mostly
    https://mydramalist.com/profile/ChinguMode/review/145857
    Hey Korea! That Dark show was good, wasn’t it? Really broke our minds and broke our hearts. The timey wimey of it all. The tragedy! The emotion! The incest!

    Let’s try to remake it but in a way that’s, you know, Korean.

    So what would that look like?

    Well, for a start our plot has to make no sense. Like absolutely no sense. Because for the plot to make sense and for time travel to be eliminated then our male lead would have never been born. We can’t have that though! He’s the male lead! He’s supposed to beat the bad guys and win the girl! The girl is his mother but Dark told us incest was okay! (This is the opposite of what Dark told us by the way. All of Dark’s incest was unintentional and tragic and doomed and what show did you watch?)

    So our male lead’s mother invents time travel and then travels through time not knowing she’s pregnant. She raises him back in the 90s and he becomes a super special magic snowflake (well, he is a Korean man) and his mother raises him the very bestest she could despite the emotional problems caused by radiation damage (due to the aforementioned in utero time travel).

    She’s murdered when he’s 19 and he becomes a cop to find out who did it and then a decade later he meets a woman who looks exactly like his mother. Because she is his mother. She is his mother from this timelime. But even if she wasn’t, she looks exactly like her. As in a carbon copy of her.

    There’s a brief moment of powerful emotional resonance around this. His mother was the only one he had any semblance of emotion for due to his brain damage and her death affected him more deeply then he’s capable of expressing. And suddenly this doppelganger is before him dredging up all that inadequately processed grief, loss and guilt.

    So what does the show do with this powerful emotional moment? It turns it into an inexplicable, utterly gross cohabitation romcom. By this point he knows this woman IS his mother from this timeline but the show still devotes episode after episode to the romcom version of incest, complete with the psycho second female lead who freaks out because the guy she likes is spending time with his mother. It’s weird, it’s creepy, it’s gross. I have insufficient synonyms to express its awful.

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    And to get sidetracked for a moment by the second female lead, she’s one of only four female characters in this show – the male lead’s mother, her alt-version in this timeline, his best friend who’s always liked him and an agent in 2050 who’s in love with his father, (who still working for Alice). Written out like that, you can sense a theme here. Every single one of these female characters is defined solely by her relationship to a man. Mother, lover, spurned psycho. The writer can conceive of no other role for a woman: no aspirations, no second dimension, no real depth or character. She’s either trying to get a man, in a relationship with a man or taking care of her children in a way that’s utterly self-sacrificing. This show could have been written by Moffatt, it is that rife with embedded misogynism.

    By the end, his mother’s invention of time travel becomes some kind of offensive allegory for pregnancy, as though she gave birth to it when she gave birth to her son (everyone knows this is a woman’s only real skill so even her amazing scientific achievements are framed as such). The woman invented fucking time travel but it’s still used as a metaphor for life coming out of her womb. Does she kill this life or not? Well, of course she can’t! She’s a mother! So now the whole thing is merely an anti-abortion screed. It’s offensive and sexist and misogynistic and it also makes no sense. She invented time travel, not her son. Killing him is irrelevant to its invention and to the establishment of Alice. So as well as being offensive it also doesn’t make any sense.

    Anyway this show is supposed to be about Alice. So what about Alice? Obviously our male lead’s mother is Alice or maybe time travel is Alice. Or maybe he is Alice. Oh who knows. Alice is the name of an organisation based in 2050 that sends people back in time to help them resolve their emotional traumas – for money of course. The male lead’s mother helped invent time travel but who set up Alice? Where did it come from? Who runs it? Where is it? None of these questions are answered. And since this show becomes about destroying Alice as some kind of proxy for destroying time travel then this matters. It matters a lot.

    We find out early that there are other players in time travel. Rebels who let people travel outside of the network set up by Alice. A prophecy that predicts the end of time travel. A mysterious figure who seems to be trying to kill our male lead or his mother-girlfriend. (Oh at one point we discover that his mother was planning to adopt her alt-universe version and raise her as her own, which makes her also his adopted older sister – Yay for incest!).

    None of this is brought together in any way that makes sense.

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    For those who haven’t seen Dark, I don’t want to spoil Dark. I’ll just say that the outline of this plot is very obviously inspired by Dark. But those elements have been ripped from it thoughtlessly and without context so the whole thing comes off as glossy, nonsensical and shallow. There are some nice themes hiding in here and even some nice dramatic moments as well. The acting at certain points is absolutely top notch.

    For a brief moment, the show’s grasp of the multiverse theory of time travel isn’t too bad either and you start to wonder if the show might pull this whole thing off (and you’ve fast forwarded all the bizarre romcom cohabitation tropes between him and his mother so you’re just pretending that didn’t happen). But as the show heads into its final two hours you soon realise it’s not going to make any sense. And then – like almost every other time travel show coming out of Korea – it opts for utter nonsense in its pursuit of a ‘happy ending’.

    And since, in this case, the ‘happy ending’ involves a romance between a man and his mother, I wish I could burn the whole thing from my brain.

    The shorter version of this review.

    Just watch Dark.

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    I didn’t know it was inspired by Dark but now that you laid it out, it seems obvious and I’m upset I didn’t catch that. I dropped Alice as soon as the incest became a thing and I am so glad to have done so.

    I cannot, for the life of me, imagine how one watches Dark and takes away from it that incest is good, holy hell. What a complete misunderstanding of that entire tragedy.

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      I’m not sure the writers or the network ever said outright it was inspired by Dark but to me the parallels are obvious. I think they were aiming for Dark’s tragic incestuous love affair whereby Jonas and Martha’s love is stymied by the revelation they’re Aunt and Nephew. But that only works if you fall in love with each other not knowing that you’re related and the knowledge keeps you apart. They both knew at the minimum that she was a walking copy of his mother. It just made it super weird and creepy instead.

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        It was a very super weird show for me. A real mess.

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    Also, this was a fantastic review. That comparison to Moffat was especially great. His misogyny is a whole different breed and I refuse to watch anything written by him anymore. You just KNOW that every woman in the show will have no agency or identity beyond their relationship to a man. Will definitely avoid Alice’s writer from now on too.

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    This drama was a mess. Kim Hee-sun likes time travel dramas, that’s my conclusion. But FAITH was way better than this.

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      In terms of how it treated the time travel elements, Faith was definitely better. It executed a single universe self-contained time loop successfully and as of today I still haven’t seen another show out of Korea do that. They all opt for a nonsensical happy ending that breaks all their world building rules.

      I mean, Faith had its own issues and wasn’t a great drama. But in this respect it did well.

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    I love time travel and I like this cast so I really tried to like this. I spent the first episodes thinking it wasn’t about that. It couldn’t be. It could not be going that direction. Right? I mean, they call a simple date a scandal, they wouldn’t dare.

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    Another one for the endosolistration list, as @sicarius would say.

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    Thank you – scathing reviews are such fun to read! And now I will avoid this one like the plague. It’s a shame because I’m intrigued by the premise of sending people back in time to resolve their trauma. Is the idea to relive the moment that causes the trauma so that people can make different choices or respond differently?

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      Nothing so interesting, nor is it fleshed out in any satisfying way. It’s also nothing but a side plot.
      They go back in time to e.g. see their child who died too young or their wife that they miss. Because it’s a different dimension then there’s no impact on their timeline.
      It’s an interesting idea for a story, actually. I mean a real one. Not this dreck.

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        Such a lost opportunity!! Why would they sideline the most interesting bit (IMO, at least!). Ugh. I mean, just the idea of visiting the past without being able to change it, and then whether and how that impacts subsequent emotional trauma is more interesting than incest. But I guess incest is a pretty low bar…

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          This reminds me of a set of really crass jokes that members of my family make.
          Sex is boring.
          Incest is relatively boring.
          Necrophilia is dead boring.

          It goes on, I can’t remember them all.

          The people sent back in time kept murdering their doubles and trying to replace them instead of going back to the future. There was a lot about Alice that was interesting but none of it was fleshed out or explained.

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    Is it appropriate to say I enjoyed your rant? Anyway, I did!

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Thanks to those who participated in the DAYS demographics poll. The results are now on my blog

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    I didn’t know you’re a social statistician by trade. That sounds like a cool job! Also very challenging, if my current experience working through “Causal Inference in Statistics” by Pearl et al is any indication.

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    I love this so much! Thank you for teaching me about statistics and putting your skills to good use here!😁 I’m surprised that so many love it, given the number of beanies who seem to dislike it (on the wall).

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      I posted about the poll here, on db and on mdl. I wouldn’t be surprised if a large chunk of the ‘love’ vote came over from MDL. It would have been interesting to see this with a larger sample I think.

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        I was really impressed you had 95 respondents! But yes, larger sample would be even better – what would be a good size, would you say?

        I think what I enjoy most about data like this is that it leads to more questions…(although perhaps that’s also frustrating!). When shows garner such mixed responses, it really makes me wonder about those shows that are widely loved or widely panned, and what thread in these shows ties people from diverse backgrounds in agreement. The link to geography and/or culture is such an interesting one. Drawing conclusions about respondents from North America is probably very different from drawing conclusions about a country like Japan, due to their difference in homogeneity (this is a generalisation, or course).

        This reminded me of how much I enjoy your writing! I’ve read a few more of your blog posts, and found them so thought-provoking!

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          Oh thank you! I’m so glad you enjoy my writing. I wish I could do more of it but it’s something I have to fit in around everything else unfortunately.

          Re the survey: the size of the sample is less important than its representativeness. There’s no way to get a representative sample from this kind of survey so the larger the sample the better. Still, it’s more important to understand the ways in which your sample is biased and make sure that’s clear in your analysis.

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    Love the stats lesson – the number of times I have had to explain to people why their data is not as meaningful as they think it is 🤯

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      Oh yes it’s frustrating. And when I looked at the data I thought, “mostly this just tells me the demographics of who completed the survey, not the demographics of who loved or hated it”. But that would have made a boring post I think !

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Sell Your Haunted House became such a beautiful and powerful show about putting the past behind you, connecting with those around you, and moving forward. I’m so glad I watched this show.
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    The theme was nice but pace was too slow for me. The ghost of the week and the ML didn’t really interest me and despite Jang Nara doing an awesome job as always, her character was maybe the darkest heroine ever. She had no real life of her own because she carried so much guilt from something she was never to blame. I’ve only watched until ep 5 and the ghost mom really annoyed me, whether the kid stabbed her or not, if she could move objects maybe she could have found a way to get her daughter out of that house or at least make her presence less common. Not a fan of the correlation between virginity and a medium skills either.

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      On the latter point I completely agree. The show overall actually had issues in its portrayal of women and there were two episodes in particular where I nearly dropped it because of it.
      Regarding Jang Nara’s character though, I liked that she stayed dark and was still given a happy ending. I admit I’m a little over kdramas telling women they have to be happy and stoic and martyred. Ji-A got to build her little family without changing who she was and I like that a lot.

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After a delay for May to be awful, I’m back with my recap/weecap/review/meanderings of BeyondEvil. The link to episodes9&10 are below. Sorry for the wait!

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2021 Mid-Year Drama Challenge

Best 2021 Drama (so far) 
Best or favourite? Best is Beyond Evil. Favourite is TBA but probably Vincenzo just for the sheer entertainment value. I’m still hoping both of these can be topped.

Best Scene from your favourite drama
The whiteboard scene from Vincenzo has to be one of the funniest pieces of physical comedy I’ve ever seen. I watched that about five times.

Favourite OTP
Joon-hwi and Sol A from Law School even though they weren’t really an OTP. I mean they were but the show decided not to go there.
But they did. In the postscript we never got to see. They absolutely did.

Favourite OST
Vincenzo’s OST is a work of art in every respect

Drama(s) you dropped 
Sisyphus, Taxi Driver, Dark Hole

Drama you hate-watched (and finished)
These days I don’t finish hate watches
*presses play on next episode of Doom*
*Whistles innocently*
No hate watching here!

Drama many loved but you didn’t
The answer to this is definitely going to be Doom

Drama you loved but most didn’t
I don’t know if there’s been one this year. I don’t feel like I’ve had to explain why I love something like I did last year with A Piece of Your Mind and School Nurse Files.

Drama you’ve rewatched this year
Rookie Historian Goo Hae-Ryung and Tale of Nokdu in my sudden February fusion Sageuk craving.

Last Drama you finished 
Law School

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    I read all these answers for mid-year drama challenge and realized that I haven’t finished any 2021 drama at all so far. I practically tried new dramas at the beginning of each month, and somehow never went pass eps 4. (I do hope Sell Your Haunted House will change this dismal record.)

    As for your non-watching… ahem I’m definitely not enjoying the way beanies get suck back into the Doom world (ha!) despite their better judgment. Nope. Not at all.
    (We should all just blame Seo In-guk’s inability to be not charming.)

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    Thanks for joining, LT! Favorite OTO indeed!!!

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    So we never really discussed Beyond Evil’s ending, and your overall thoughts, although it seems everyone else got more out of it than I did (typical, so typical)- have you done a final blog post on it yet, or do you care to share a summary of your thoughts hither?

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      In fact writing the final blog post for this show is on my To Do list for this very weekend. After I wrote my mid-season OST post I found myself kind of tapped out for stuff to say about it.

      Overall, I find these dramas get too process driven in their back half and they tend to jettison important character moments for plot. I do think it had some themes around adulthood and responsibility that it took through the drama. But it lost some of that gothic small town vibe that I loved so much in the beginning. It was pretty coherent though, I just didn’t love it in the end as much as I did in the beginning.

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    Pepper company forever.

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    OMG, I still think about A piece of your mind and the gorgeous intimacy every time I see two kdrama characters supposedly in love standing in front of each other. Also School Nursing Files was so delightful, I need to rewatch.

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    “ But they did. In the postscript we never got to see. They absolutely did.”

    As Mr. Oblivious, I really wanted to see the dawning moment when Sol A realizes how oblivious she had been.

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Sorry, your bullshit made me choke

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