Beanie level: Fan club president

And finally! The last piece from the poll. Your Favourite Dramas of All Time – as voted by you!

Favourite Korean Dramas – as voted by you!

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    Thanks for sharing.
    I think I will have to give it another try to Signal. I watched episodes 1 and 2 back then, but dropped…

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      Oh, give this piece of gem another chance! Hope you find it interesting this time ^^

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      Just to give a different opinion, I really disliked Signal. For many many reasons but as some time has passed since I watched it it is probably better not to get into any arguments😂

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        I didn’t dislike it, but I didn’t think it was that great. I can’t even remember all of my issues with it. I know some of the acting bothered me.

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          Since we’re being honest, I ff’d at least four episodes in the back half. I thought the ending was pitch perfect, which saves a lot of dramas for me. But I haven’t been interested in rewatching it. I thought the first half was excellent though.

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        SPOILERS:
        I didn’t dislike it either, but I definitely think is very VERY overrated. It is neither a great crime drama nor a great time travel drama (they never properly explain the darned phone). I did not like the acting of any of the leads, except maybe occasionally the older male cop, Cho Jin-woong. I thought Le Je-hoon and Kim Hye-soo were both weak in their performances. And – argh – the romance. I never understand why romance is necessary. They could have kept it a perfectly fine sunbae-hoobae relationship, but nope.

        I haven’t watched the Japanese version, but for those who might have, is that better or worse?

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          I will swear blind until the end of time that it was a sunbae-hoobae relationship and there was absolutely no romance. And until a season 2 comes along to creep me out prove me wrong then that’s the way it is as far as I’m concerned.

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            Haha that’s a good way to look at it.
            I forgot to mention – I thought Watcher was a MUCH better crime drama than Signal, honestly. It was tighter, more gritty, and was truly suspenseful (and *phew, no romance). All of these factors I thought were missing in Signal. (I may also have been partial to the director because of his previous works…)

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            It’s possible I just prefer sci-fantasy premises but I found it hard to get into Watcher. I only watched the first episode or so. I didn’t drop it. I just forgot to watch anymore.

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            Hah. My own preference for non-sci-fi is probably why I rate Watcher over Signal. Poor unwatched Watcher, though. It wasn’t that forgettable. 😂

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            You’re not helping to convince me…

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        Signal was quite high up in my best list until a second watch a few months ago. By then, there were some other time travel thrillers / procedures to compare and I do think Signal had that first advantage to get all the fans when it was released. I had not watched all the other time travel dramas but Life on Mars, for example, is rated higher than Signal in my book in terms of characters depth, plot development and overall structure. Nonetheless, I do look forward to Signal S2.

        I like Watcher but it’s a different genre from Signal despite still a detective story. An intense drama with great delivery from the three leads but what sets it apart is the ethical ambiguity as conveyed in the characters of HSK and KHC and how the different personal interests drive the story in unpredictable developments. It’s a pity that it’s not more appreciated in the DB community.

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    My Ajusshi – Number 1 in Best and Favourite!

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    Thank you for all your time and effort!

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    Great! It’s a very different list from my own favorites so that deserves thought on my part, and thanks for all the work it took to do the whole poll!

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      I was having a conversation with someone on Twitter and realised that there are no Sageuks on either list – not one. So I’m assuming this is because of the pool that voted and if the poll had spread out further the result might have been different. I think beanies in particular are very drawn to slice of life over Sageuks.

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        I’m sure of this. After becoming disappointed repeatedly over the years, I have learned that most shows that blow up on db are slice of life which I have a hard time connecting to.

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        SIX FLYING DRAGONS was in Round 3 I think, but didn’t make it to the final round.

        You may have mentioned this already, but was the pool of voters composed entirely of beanies or did you aim further afield? If the former, the results reflect the fact that most beanies don’t gravitate towards sageuks, at least judging from activity on recap threads and the fanwall.

        If we look at MDL or other sites, MOON LOVERS ranks high up for some reason (no idea why).

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        The poll makes me think I really have to watch more of the suspense-y and police/law shows.

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      I wouldn’t think too hard about it.

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    I’ve seen 7 out of 10, not bad..

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Wait… did he just…
He couldn\’t possibly have…
Did he just cut up her food like she\’s a three year old???
And she is acting like this is romantic?
No, poeple no! This is not okay.
Bride of Habaek, people. Definite contender for worst drama ever.

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    unfortunately, this specific gesture has been considered cute in one too many dramas. My understanding is that the use of utensils like forks and knives is not common, so a little help goes a long way.

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      Yeah, I’ve had to teach some Chinese who were confused about how to hold knives and forks. As you can see here she’s holding the utensils in the wrong hands, and looking clueless about what to do. The other guy in the back seems to be struggling too. Maybe the meat was tough LOL

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    Hold on – are you actually watching this drama now?

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    Did you watch DDSSLLS? The destruction wrought by the ending is beyond the reach of BoH, I think.

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    LOL I watched this by proxy when my sister watched it. Did not regret not watching it myself.

    But that scene when SSK was falling off a building and NJH jumps out of a window to save her is one of the worst scenes to grace my screen yet SO HILARIOUS- we couldn’t see the wires holding SSK, but we might as well have. That directing was soooo bad, it was funny 😭😭😭

    If anyone wants to have a good laugh (starta at 1’45sec): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxENoakwXs4

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    The only thing this had going for it was pretty. Pretty set, a few pretty people, pretty color palette.

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    Another supposedly romantic gesture I find bizarre is tying your partner’s shoelaces, but I can see that it’s perceived as an expression of care/consideration. I would personally feel infantilised. However, I love it when others prepare fruit for me (esp. oranges because I am lazy), so I’m clearly in no position to criticise!😆

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By episode 5 Bride of Habaek is almost hypnotically pointless, like nobody knows or cares what it\’s supposed to be about. May as well spend a full two minutes doing drink PPL.

Ahh, refreshing! It is a Godly Juice

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    When this was airing I was particularly jobless so I watched all the episodes, and even while it was airing I couldn’t tell you what it was about or more importantly, why I was watching it. (2017 me needed to do a lot of self-reflection lol)

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    Heavens, why are you watching this? It’s so bad! Thinking of it, I recall a feeling of torpor.

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    Ahhh the things i endured for NJH.

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Two minutes into episode 4 of Bride of Habaek and it has already reduced me to quivering jelly

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    Come again? 🤣

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      From laughter. Too much laugher.
      Wait, what did you think…

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        I was just trying to figure out in what scenario would she have enough time to telepathically talk to him while falling off a building…
        I wonder how they filmed this 🤔 Did they get her hanging upside down and slowly lowered her with a crane? Did they just film her top down and flip the image? Anyway, it looks remarkably silly, love it!

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          Honestly it’s so ridiculous it made me roar with laughter. There’s several more scenes like this in this episode too. They do this weird thing where they’re supposed to be in action but they’re still in the middle of it with these stupid looks on their faces. It’s so so bad.

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            So, I hav3 to ask… why posts instead of hij@cking the recap comments? I thought analyses of the hierarchy here pointed to comments on recaps being more significant than posts?

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            I did post a few on the recaps. I should drop by there as well. I was feeling a bit lonely because i’m the only one enduring watching the show at the moment. For very good reasons.

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            You inspired me and I did post a few more comments. Just for fun.

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            Glad you’re posting here so we can enjoy your pain. I’m always happy when you find something harder to watch than my favorite drama.

            She’s playing a much better character in Run On.

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          Clearly they lowered her a rig of some kind. You can see her hair falling down…which wouldn’t happen if she was actually falling head first…

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          Hold on, lemme just slideee into the scene 😂

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    OMG I’m remembering…. she was a horrible character. I wanted to punch her. That’s probably why I stopped watching to save myself the agitation.

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    The CGI directing is really laughable. I don’t know why they were bothered to make this adaptation. I was a fan of the manhwa and was super disappointed when it was released. I didn’t get pass ep 4 😀

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Still trying to fathom how people can hold the position that \”any negativity is hate and you\’re all haters\” and \”if you don\’t think the same way as me you\’re A MORON\” at the same time

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It\’s here! @laica, @chickachunga and I deep dive into the second season of the wonderful Forest of Secrets

https://dramasoverflowers.net/2020/12/24/81-the-spoiled-yak-stranger-2/

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Merry Christmas, my dear Beanies
We’re nearly there…

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Hear Ye, Hear Ye

To get us into the festive season, @mindy will be hosting the second annual viewing of the greatest Christmas film to come out of Korea.

What: A Million

When: Around 0800 AEST, Saturday (1400 CST, Friday)

Where: Kosmi, link to be posted tomorrow

Prepare to be astonished, amused, bemused, confused and many many other emotions. Feel all the things!

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It\’s one week till Christmas and I just want to give up this fan club and kick back in the besparkled attire of 2020 before it\’s suddenly 2021

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    Always time for one more act of madness (e.g. Heirs). Any good candidates?

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      Hmm… suggestions?

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        What are you in the mood for? Dive into one of the circles of your personal hell or a walk on the different side?

        Since recap comments have the most value, we need to hijack an existing recap.
        Something that would draw in other beanies, for love or hate or just to hijack the threads (a la Forest). Something to comment on with abandon…

        Or we could create a numeric experiment to suss out the algorithm…nah, cancel that thought.

        Hmmm…

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There was one female lead who really shone this year. One who really owned the drama she was in. One who outshone even the supposed female lead of that drama.

That female lead of course was… me.

My Irresistibly Indifferent Year in Kdrama: 2020

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And here it is everyone!
You voted in record numbers (almost 150 of you) and here’s the best and worst of your 2020

2020 in Kdrama: The Poll Results

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UPDATE: It\’s 10 days till Christmas and my trackies still do not sparkle

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Grateful once again to Kfangurl for hosting my love letter to The School Nurse Files on her blog

Guest Post: The School Nurse Files [An Alternative Lens]

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After three polls and a year of voting, here it is finally!

The Best Korean Dramas – as voted by you!

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    Wonderful! Thank you for all your work.

    Reminds me –
    #2020Roundup
    Day 10 – The drama beanies convinced you to watch and you can’t be grateful enough.
    Sky Castle. Your write up is spot on.

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      I haven’t been able to finish Sky Castle. I binge watched 14 episodes en 3 days, and then… I wasn’t able to finish it, don’t think I will ever be.

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        C’est la vie. In some parallel universes, these dramas have alternate endings, different numbers of episodes. Fortunately, these universes are open to exploration, at will.

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    Thank you for your dedication!

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    Considering taking one sparkle from your soon to be track suit because a certain wonderfully wacky trope filled mess of a drama is not on the list.

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    Great poll – thanks @LT!

    Absolutely agreed on the top three:
    1. My Ajusshi – BEST drama by any standard!
    2. Forest of Secrets – It will be a long thesis to dissect if FoS1 or FoS2 is better but the total package is an indisputable winner.
    3. Misaeng – A drama I intend to rewatch over Xmas and also the one drama I ask my new and younger staff to watch.

    Signal, IMHO, doesn’t age that well with many newer similar dramas doing also well, notably Life on Mars, but deserves a spot in top ten as it’s the one ahead of the game to start this time-travel / parallel universe genre.

    Lastly, Healer, TIMFL, and IANR are probably for the list of Favorites rather than Best in my book.

    Truly appreciate your efforts to run the poll and the write-up!!

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    Quite a lot of punching 🤣

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UPDATE: Two weeks till Christmas and I still don\’t have my sparkly tracksuit

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    Rooting for you! Fighting!

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    Which recap section are you going to reinvigorate? Or, if you haven’t watched Memorials/Into the Ring, you could start there. Delightful is the word I would use to describe it.

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      I’m not sure how you missed the memo but I actually hated Into the Ring.
      You’re right though, this calls for hijacking a recaps page again. We just need to choose the drama.

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        I find this shocking! It’s DELIGHTFUL! Then again, I do love some wacky humor.

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          I hated the female lead. Actually hated her as a human being. I mean Nana’s acting did not help but I could not watch another episode of her self-serving so-called ‘antics’ that I’m supposed to think make her ‘badass’. The golf ball stunt finally did me in. That and the fact that every win she had was because her boyfriend bailed her out from her own stupidity, ignorance and incompetence.

          Did I mention I did not like Into the Ring?

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            I loved it as soon as I accepted it as a slapstick comedy.

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            Yeah it’s a minority view. I get that. And I usually keep it quiet because my hatred of it shouldn’t colour others’ enjoyment of it. I tried to keep going because people kept raving about it but I couldn’t physically watch anymore. I dropped it at episode 8 when the whole episode was just him saving her over and over again and then he got installed as her secretary so he could save her full-time.

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            I didn’t hate it but I couldn’t watch past episode 4. I usually love crazy comedy, but I gave up when the more qualified female candidate dropped out to let Se Ra run instead. Added to the zoom in effect of the cameras and her bad hair it was just too much for me. Sorry for being shallow.

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            I guess @wishfultoki the enjoyment of it is dependent on whether you think that politics needs a fresh intake of earthy people who don’t know what the fuck they’re doing or if you know from bitter experience that those are called populists and it never ends well.
            I can’t believe they made a show about a flashy populist without knowledge, experience or competence who got elected because she was down with the people and then immediately sold out her constituency for money and I was supposed to be rooting for the populist.

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            omg, I feel so much better to read your comments about into the Ring. I’m struggling to push past ep 4 because Beanie recommendations are so strong, but can’t help seeing her as a total flake. Sometimes it’s ok to just not like a popular show, so thank you @LTisirresistablyindifferent,DameJudi and @wishfultoki, I hereby quit!
            And, I also hate her hair 😊

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        @leetennant You’re welcome to join Muggy in her FULL HOUSE TAKE 2 watch. It may be a bit hard to find the recaps page since the drama is not included in the master recaps list (for reasons unknown and despite my protests) but a quick search will bring it up.

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LT’s 2020 Antibean count

And here’s my own antibean count for this year.

7 Beans
1 Antibean

Every show I watched was so good that they didn’t generate any antibeans at all. Not one. Not even Nobody Knows and its back half of flashbacks and MacGuffins.

The single antibean comes from the existence of Backstreet Rookie and the year’s overall vibe of general creepiness.

My Beans
A Piece of Your Mind
Black Dog
Extracurricular
Forest of Secrets (2)
Kingdom (2)
Nobody Knows
The School Nurse Files

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Hello beanies
Well, I was a little rushed last night and didn’t do a proper post about our annual Beanie Poll (not to be confused with the other one). Dramabeans usually does a poll, which is bigger and bolder, but last year a group of us decided to do our own. We’re continuing this tradition.

Here’s a link to last year’s post for the 2019 poll results
http://invisibledragon.home.blog/2019/12/28/2019-in-kdrama-the-poll-results/

As with last year, we have two polls running and hope you vote in both!
The first one lists the best and the worst of 2020 with the show list taken from the Dramabeans list. However if there was a show that finished in 2020 and you feel it’s been overlooked, you can use the ‘Other’ response and type it in. Last year, type in responses upset a few apple carts. We absolutely take them into account.

Beanie Poll 1: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BRXHQM6

The second poll is a bit of fun and digs down into some of the shows. Last year we had an award for Best Fish. This year, naturally, it’s Best Clam! Have some fun with it, prop your breakout stars, and vote for your best and worst romance.
Beanie Poll 2: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BR3TWSM

So dive on in and vote away!
And if you want to join the poll outside these hallowed walls then please go for it. The more votes, the more representative the results are.

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2020 Year in Review: The Beanie Poll (the other one)

Poll 1: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BRXHQM6
Poll 2: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BR3TWSM

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    Thank you for this. After last year’s, I just can’t.

    Why they chose to put shows on there that still ran into the following year is beyond me and Beanies were not getting it.

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    Done.
    I voted best clam only by references. I hope I do justice to the comments I read.

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    I didn’t get to vote for More Than Friends in any of the categories 😂
    It didn’t have the best romance, it wasn’t THAT underrated, and it didn’t have a great* villain… but it was just so damn entertaining, I don’t know.

    *Unless the characters sabotaging their own lives counts?

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2020 Year in Review: The Antibean count

Welcome all to the second annual Antibean count, where we count the number of antibeans produced by the dramas, tropes, characters and other things we didn’t like.

What is an Antibean?
For each basic particle of matter, there exists an antiparticle with the same mass, but the opposite electric charge. The negatively-charged electron, for example, has a positively charged antiparticle called the positron. Therefore, just as drama watching produces beans it also produces antibeans.
https://invisibledragon.home.blog/2020/01/02/2019-the-year-of-the-antibean/

How do you calculate your Antibeans?
Unlike beans where 1 completed drama = 1 bean, antibeans are produced at a fraction of Beans.
1 completed drama = 1 bean = 1/n antibeans
For example, if you liked 8 episodes out of a 16 episode drama then it would produce 1/2 of an antibean.
So if you have 10 beans this year, your number of antibeans must be less than 10

But what if I watched Forest or Meow the Secret Boy
Good dramas produce beans but not antibeans. Bad dramas produce beans and a certain amount of antibeans, proportionate to the bean and the level of enjoyment of the drama.
It is possible therefore for a drama such as Hospital Playlist to produce no antibeans but also for one such as Forest to produce both a bean and nearly a full associated antibean. This means that Forest both exists and yet doesn’t exist at the same time. Which, frankly, explains a lot.

How many Antibeans did you produce this year?

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    What

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    Here’s the blog post in case you don’t want to click through.

    Lee Tennant’s Theory of Antibeans and the Continued Existence of the Drama Universe

    There remains debate on the existence of antibeans: the negatively-charged partner of the beans collected by Beanies over the year. As of the 2019 drama year, many beans are observed each year, but no antibeans have yet been seen.

    So how do we know that antibeans exist?

    For each basic particle of matter, there exists an antiparticle with the same mass, but the opposite electric charge. The negatively-charged electron, for example, has a positively charged antiparticle called the positron.

    Thus, particle physics tells us that for each bean produced when we complete a drama, some sort of negative equivalent must be produced. We call this negatively-charged drama bean an antibean.

    This means that for each calendar year of drama watching, both beans and antibeans are produced.

    As we all know, when a particle and its antiparticle come together they annihilate each other, transforming their mass into energy.

    We’ve seen such explosions this year such as, for example, when Arthdal ended and people realised it was only season 1. The resulting internet meltdown was a direct result of the sheer volume of beans and antibeans produced colliding and resulting in the white hot energy of outrage (although some suspect that the rogue Netflix particle may have been involved as well).

    The question then becomes: how does Dramaland exist at all without being transformed violently into energy from the production of beans and their associated antibeans?

    Because if each drama produced both one bean and one antibean then Dramaland would ultimately cease to exist.

    The answer must be that the quality of a drama determines the number of antibeans created for each bean generated. Since each drama completed by a person in each annual period produces one bean then the amount of antibeans produced must be a proportion of the bean produced.

    For example, one could posit that a show like the Crowned Clown, where I enjoyed 8 episodes out of 16, would result in the production of one bean and one half of an antibean. Or a brilliant but slightly flawed show like Graceful Family would produce one bean and a very small number of antibeans, such as 0.1 (10%) or 0.2 (20%), (mostly for the transgender plotline we’d rather forget).

    Thus the number of antibeans produced within an annual period by each viewer would be a fraction of the beans produced. If a person produces 20 beans then the number of associated antibeans would be less than or equal to 20.

    Thus while it’s not possible to produce more than one bean per completed drama per calendar year it is also not possible to produce more than one antibean.

    But how do we estimate the number of antibeans produced by a drama when they can’t be detected?

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    As we all know, there’s a subjective nature to the observed reality of quantum mechanics. Schrodinger didn’t really put a cat in a box. As such, that subjectivity must be reflected in the antibean calculation. That is, the nature of observing a drama produces both beans and antibeans but also impacts the number of antibeans produced.

    While any antibean calculation would merely be an estimate based on flawed observations, it is nonetheless one that can be justified mathematically. Good dramas produce beans but not antibeans. Bad dramas produce beans and a certain amount of antibeans, proportionate to the bean and the level of enjoyment of the drama.

    It is possible therefore for a drama such as Sky Castle, Children of Nobody or Be Melodramatic to produce no antibeans but also for one such as Vagabond to produce both a bean and nearly a full associated antibean. This means that Vagabond both exists and yet doesn’t exist at the same time. Which, frankly, explains a lot.

    The theory of antibeans therefore states that antibeans are produced along with beans during the act of watching (and completely finishing) a drama. Since a bean is not produced until a drama is satisfactorily completed then it stands to reason that the proportionate production of antibeans also doesn’t occur.

    1 completed drama = 1 bean = 1/n antibeans

    with the antibean production being related to the subjective perception of the drama by the observer.

    This was the accepted theory of antibeans until this year when we observed that Bell’s Theorem appears to apply also to Dramaland. For the first time, we’ve observed that the act of not watching or not completing a drama can still produce antibeans even without the associated bean. This has only been observed in dramas judged collectively by observers to have few redeeming qualities.

    This kind of ‘spooky action at a distance’ has meant that Dramaland’s collective awareness of the existence of a drama such as Melting Me Softly or Abyss is sufficient to generate antibeans (although the volume of ones produced under these circumstances is so far incalculable).

    We can only conclude that Dramaland is quantum entangled and that any increase in the production of bad dramas could ultimately lead to the destruction of the drama universe itself.

    However, for now, the state of the universe remains in balance with more beans than antibeans produced each year.

    How may antibeans did you generate this year?

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      I’ll just cut to the chase here and say I deserve at least one full anti bean for the Dodo ending.

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      Collecting antibeans for dramas one has not watched and only based on other people’s opinion seems very unfair to me.

      I understand that this is mostly for humour’s sake, but I still think it’s unfair.

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    I….
    okay….

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    This is too scientific for my harassed brain. I like the idea, though.

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    🤯

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    I watched Men are Men. I put this in the same level as Forest.
    I’m going to count my antibeans and let you know ASAP.

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      So, this is the count for antibeans:
      – Hi Bye, Mama! 4/16
      – Tell me what you saw. 6/16
      – Memorist. 6/16
      – Oh my baby. 4/16
      – It’s Okay not to be Okay. 2/16 (I will never forgive all the stupidity about CrazyMum)
      – Men are men. 14/16 (Maybe there were two hours in total that I didn’t hate the drama).
      – Flower of evil. 5/16
      – Do you like Brahms. 6/16
      – Start Up. 9/16
      – When my love blooms. 6/16
      – Dinner Mate 2/16
      If I’m not wrong that makes a total of 4 antibeans.
      I don’t know what to do with them, but…

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ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS MY SPARKLY TRACKSUIT

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