Someday or One Day – Ep 13

Another small rant.

This show did many things right and others have already posted all about it’s good qualities so I won’t say much about those. It’s all true. But it also tricked me, which is why it deserves a mini rant.

If you haven’t watched it yet and you’re in the mood for some time travelling romance, go do it now. There will be spoilers below.

The show started really slow, taking a long time to tell me in a dozen different ways how much FL missed her perfect boyfriend, though I liked her, I felt bored by the repetition, but at least I thought this was the kind of story that cared about exploring feelings in detail. The pace finally picks up on ep 3 and then it becomes funny and intriguing, the interactions between the characters were charming, cast was good and the many possible outcomes made it unpredictable. The only thing bothering me was a mystery that would become a bigger issue later. Where was Chen Yu Ru? She’s trapped in a box somewhere and the story forgets her for a long time, maybe to keep the audience from questioning HYX’s actions. Later, when their positions are reversed, CYR is almost presented as a villain simply for acting in her own body, though she was wrong to deceive others using HYX’s memories.

So much of what made me like this drama came from the fact that the character’s behaviour made sense, I don’t mind the craziest fantasy element or an entire alternate universe, in fact it’s my favorite type of show, as long as it’s believable. In SOOD it lasted until the airport scene. I know it’s a hugely unpopular opinion but I didn’t get why LZW would ever board that plane. It seems he never even considered where was the real WQS and if he had any right to destroy his body. Supposedly he died at that beach. But even ignoring that, merry happy people don’t just kill themselves without even trying other options. The 2 versions of LZWs could easily have convinced HYX to travel to the past. And even if younger LZW had killed himself, original LZW had no reason not to tell her everything before those 2 years.

After that, show spent too long on the awkward villain. I’m sure the writer felt the plot twists around him were very clever but he never really belonged in that kind of story. Even worse, the scene in which older LZW chases him and gets killed was so absurd that a dramatic moment turned into a cheap plot device. Any TOD would have made a better job.

When psycho is gone ep 12 finally gets back on track, CYR gets all the attention and it’s a great moment until it’s time to explain her murder. The last episode proves how useless the psycho was by perfectly explaining her reasons to make that choice, he could have just as easily been a product of her imagination. The only problem was the logic of the events. Did MJJ go to jail for finding a dead body? And later he jumped from the same place, for no reason. HYX said it was because he couldn’t save CYR but as she said herself, he barely knew her, she was just a fantasy and he had already spent many years in jail.

In a way, this last ep was a representation of the entire show. Great but flawed. The decision of the FL to erase the tape and give up her chance of being a part of their shared past and possible future was brave and touching but how can the same story come up that and forget to explore the consequences? CYR had a problem, she wasn’t just a troubled teenager, it’s shameful how dramas ignore mental issues and that was another example, instead of therapy she got a new way of feeling from a dream. It’s also never explained if she ever developed any feelings for MJJ or anything else about her. The loyal best friend MJJ, was also ignored, all it’s said is he remained friends with LZW. The original WQS gets no mention. The leads meet again and somehow fall in love but there is not a hint of how this happened, almost as if it was their fate, which doesn’t really fit the main story making the ending seem something rushed and incomplete.

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    @leetennant
    if you’re still curious
    I guess it wasn’t such a small post, I tried kkk

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      No, thanks for posting. It’s nice to get other viewpoints.

      I will say one thing though – HYX and LZW do NOT end up together. The show makes that clear. With the timeline linear and intact, he is an adult and she is a child. They do not fall in love.
      The problem here is that, for whatever reason (unexpected popularity, the issue with the last episode getting leaked, whatever it was), the network decided to make some slapdash additional scenes as cheap fan service. It contradicts the rest of the show and I don’t consider it canon. This show was a metaphor for HYX moving through her grief and moving on without LZW. They don’t end up together, they do end up living their lives despite that. And that is what happened in the show itself and that was the point. I haven’t seen the additional scenes and have no interest in them, I’m pretty sure they just ruin it.

      TBH if people wish to interpret that final scene as opening up the possibility of their future romance, then I get that. People will, just like some people insist on trying to read romance into My Ahjussi.

      As for the other points, I actually liked the use of an antagonist. At first I was taken aback (the last thing this needs is a psycho villain) until you get to the punchline of that – the psycho villain was nothing but a red herring. The real villain was HYX and her selfish grief. The real antagonist was CYR’s feelings of isolation, abandonment and self-loathing. I liked that bait and switch myself. “Oh you thought this was about some psycho? Think again! It’s actually about how we feel about ourselves in the world after all!”

      You can save someone from another person, you can’t save them from themselves. And that applies to MJJ too. He failed to stop CYR from killing herself so when the police – who already suspected him – found him over her dead body they arrested him and he didn’t defend himself because he felt it really was his fault.

      And while there was no quick fix, HYX “solution” was not just the dream CYR remembers – it was her waking up to the knowledge her family didn’t abandon her and the fact she didn’t have to spend months of her life being told constantly that people liked her better if she was someone else. The things that took CYR from being a depressed teen to being outright suicidal never happened to her. Does this mean she’s “fine” now? No. It just means she has a second chance without that traumatic experience. Which is true of MJJ as well.

      Let’s not talk about poor bloody WQS.

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        @ElleTea, the psycho as red herring is an interesting perspective, but I’m still not sold on the idea. Maybe if he wasn’t so extremely psychotic, it would work for me (I was really surprised by the twist of his older self talking his child self into madness), but he was a bit too much, wasn’t he?
        I really like the way you explain MJJ’s and CYR’s struggles. Makes sense to me!

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        @leetennant
        They don’t ? I was considering it as fact since the extra scenes were official, I was already thinking the bike ride in the end was hinting they would eventually find each other and the birthday moment was just fan service to make it obvious. They were around 15 years apart but they could still get together, when older LZW meets HYX for a brief period, they seem to be a couple again.

        I had the same thoughts about the psycho being more interesting as red herring, which is why I wished he had taken less space and been just an invention of CYR, all his scenes with any other characters are pointless, he would be like a ghost, but audience would only know that in the last episode.

        You think MJJ would falsely confess? That’s also a surprise, I’d never imagine that. If it was LZW, yes, maybe, because they had such a deep friendship but never for CYR. He seemed too honest and the grief and guilt he would feel about his grandmother would not allow it. If they wanted to go that direction CYR and MJJ had have another story.

        I think maybe I like the show better if I go with this version, I don’t really usually like open endings unless there is a very good reason. Maybe some days I’ll remember one ending and other days another eheheheh.

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          “Extra scenes” aren’t the show. The show ends when it ends.
          As for MJJ he doesn’t need to confess. Evidence that incriminated him was found at the first scene and then he was found over her dead body. All he has to do is not say anything and he goes to jail.

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            The ear thing? She explained about that evidence, he was cleared of that. There was no motive. If he doesn’t say anything he might just be in shock, who would put a kid in jail just for keeping silent? Though I know nothing of Taiwan’s legal system kk.

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          TBH what I really liked about the show was the lengths they went to to constantly have LZW and HYZ on the same level. They were always around the same age, always on the same level. To end it with the implication an adult man is waiting for a child to be legal just completely undermines that. God I hate this idea so much. It’s so Goblin. It’s so gross.

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            No, it’s nothing like that kkk. Besides he wouldn’t be waiting for her, the past was erased. I imagined the situation as @13infamyss described, they met again as adults much later.

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    Pssst, @Lixie, I see you’ve been giving this a lot of thought, I guess it means you really enjoyed this drama, gripes and all. I really liked it too! I’m happy that you shared your thoughts, because I’m dying to talk to someone about SOOD, yay!

    I’ve also been thinking about some of the things that you’ve pointed out, like why did old LZW wait 2 years to tell her… That’s actually an easy one: he needed to wait until 2019, the year she told him she came from – he was respecting the timeline he painstakingly put together with all the info he could gather.

    About WQS getting on that plane, same reason… if he doesn’t die, she wouldn’t have met him in the past, he takes it as the price to pay for the whole story to be set into motion… Ok, probably a real life person wouldn’t take that decision, but it makes sense within the logic of this world… I guess we like dramaland people because they make all this noble selfless stuff real people would never.

    Personally, for me it’s harder to wrap my mind around the fact that there were two people alive at the same time sharing LZW’s personality, like, wasn’t it supposed to be in one body at a time? Again, that means that old LZW spent 20 years pinning for the FL and not once did he try to get close to her… Because he wanted WQS (that is, himself, but not him) to be with her and he respected the timeline – that’s real commitment to the timeline! 😋

    Agree on the psycho guy being annoying and a bit random – like, was it really necessary to kill off the other girl for the drama to go forward? Hate it when women get killed off just to prove the point that the guy’s a loony. On the other hand, if he didn’t kill old LZW, HYX wouldn’t have made the final trip to the past? It was shocking and unexpected.

    Finally, I feel that the original WQS was criminally brushed off. Like, CYR got to be in the box and learn about what was going on – actually, I think that it is an accurate metaphor for depression, that feeling of experiencing things but being removed from the world – but WQS simply disappeared. I understand that one more character would introduce more quandaries to the show, but I really feel that they could have come up with something for him…

    Like @ElleTea pointed out, the show doesn’t tell what happens to the characters after their memories dissolve, so we really don’t know. I prefer to imagine that those 3 kids really become good friends and CYR gets better because she’s not alone anymore and has support to start figuring things out. I also like to think that sometime in the future adult HYX, after a couple of lame relationships, will meet a dashing older LZW and they will feel like they’ve known each other all their lives and fall in love forever and ever 😚

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      he needed to wait until 2019, the year she told him she came from – he was respecting the timeline he painstakingly put together with all the info he could gather.

      Good point Fly Colours. Li Zi Wei did say in episode 4 that he had waited so long and he was about to mess it up when he read the text messages that Huang Yu Xuan sent to Wang Quan Sheng. I had forgotten about this bit as to why he had been thoroughly following the timeline…. and this ties back again to what he said in Episode 10 that in theit latest loop, he had stopped changing the course of events and was careful not to mess anything as per Huang Yu Xuan’s story from 1998 and his time travelling experience.

      Personally, for me it’s harder to wrap my mind around the fact that there were two people alive at the same time sharing LZW’s personality, like, wasn’t it supposed to be in one body at a time?

      Huang Yu Xuan at 6 and Hu Yu Xuan’s soul in Chen Yun Ru’s body existed at the same time in 1998. So when I saw the two Li Zi Weis met (Li Zi Wei in his original body and his soul using Wang Quan Sheng’s body as his host), compared to most beanies, I wasn’t really that taken a back. I had accepted it as a rule of this dramaverse. And I’ve seen this same bit happened in Tomorrow With You as well. They ran into each other briefly (the time traveller’s last and future self) and talked about something.

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        The time traveller’s past** and future self

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        Good point, @13infamyss! I was also thinking if the “dreams” were really alternative repetitions of events and how repetition influenced LZW’s decisions

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      @flyingcolours
      Yes, I really liked it for the most part, sometimes I talk so much about what I question that I don’t say anything about what was great. I am trying to fix it but I don’t know if I should, maybe it’s just my personality kkk.
      I’m picky, like I told someone here these days, I’m probably the pickiest Beanie ever, which is probably why I don’t like when characters do any crazy noble acts they would not do in real life. About the waiting, I keep trying to come up with a reason they couldn’t change the loop and tell her everything 2 years sooner but there isn’t anything telling me she wouldn’t get the same results.

      I asked about the 2 LZWs on another post and decided to just accept it. It kind of makes sense, almost kkk. Yes, the older LZW waited for her for 15 years, I’m glad he was erased with the tape!

      Yes, I wanted original WQS to be in box too, maybe he could have been sent to the future in my country where he would feel a lot better.

      That’s exactly the ending I thought would happen, HYX and her lame boyfriends, LZW as a dashing older bachelor. 😛

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        I don’t know about you being picky, I guess that it’s ok to think about what you’re watching instead of passively taking everything in… I tend to get super critical about the shows I enjoy: I totally get a lot crabbier at inconsistencies in those than in shows I consider not so great to start with. I guess it’s all got to do with expectations, right? Anyway, I really enjoyed the SOOD ride!

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    RE: Li Zi Wei letting Wang Quan Sheng get on that plane – they’re all stuck in a loop. And that included Wang Quan Sheng’s body that had to go missing from that plane crash over and over again everytime the cycle repeats. As Li Zi Wei kept emphasizing on Episode 10 – he didn’t want to leave Huang Yu Xuan’s side, he knew everytime he was on his 7th year living as Wang Quan Sheng, his death would always have to come. Everytime he decided to propose to her and stay with her, he was always a step late and she had left for Shanghai. And the tragedy happens again cuz he ends up following her to Shanghai. He couldn’t stop this vicious cycle. Li Zi Wei in 2017 had that same mindset that he needed to die so the loop repeats until something is changed in the past.

    Li Zi Wei in 2019 did mention that when he finally stopped trying to change, a small change did happen to his 2017 self. And that gave him a hope that if he had to change one thing at a time, the loop may break.

    To me, 2019 is still part of the loop because in order for Huang Yu Xuan to go back and change something, Li Zi Wei had to die…. Of course, the 2019 Li Zi Wei did not see this coming and the reveal that the shrink was part of this mess was not part of his timeline chart because he was already dead just after he had discovered the shrink’s involvement

    The only problem was the logic of the events. Did MJJ go to jail for finding a dead body? And later he jumped from the same place, for no reason. HYX said it was because he couldn\’t save CYR but as she said herself, he barely knew her, she was just a fantasy and he had already spent many years in jail.

    Mo Jun Jie did not say anything against his charges because to me he felt incredibly guilty that he couldn’t save Chen Yun Ru… Also this was dated back in 1999 and a setting in an asian country. I think it’s safe to say we have seen enough asian dramas to conclude that the police tend to wrap up cases as fast as they could. There was only Mo Jun Jie covered in her blood – did they really need to investigate further if he had admitted to his crime?

    As for him committing suicide – Mo Jun Jie, like Chen Yun Ru, is not mentally stable. He is not like Li Zi Wei who could move forward, stay positive, whatever happened. Li Zi Wei could go through infinite loops of dimensions just to find a way to break it. He could wait forever just to get his timing right and meet and fall for Huang Yu Xuan all over again. Li Zi Wei’s high emotional intelligence is admirable just like everything is about him.

    But not Mo Jun Jie.

    Mo Jun Jie’s grandmother’s death on top of Chen Yun Ru’s death, the girl he fell in love with, became the trigger of his suicide….. it makes sense to me.

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      CYR had a problem, she wasn\’t just a troubled teenager, it\’s shameful how dramas ignore mental issues and that was another example, instead of therapy she got a new way of feeling from a dream. It\’s also never explained if she ever developed any feelings for MJJ or anything else about her.

      She said it was a dream, but my take on this was, she had a near death experience. According to testimonies from who had experienced it, things change and you see life at a different light post-NDE. Now I am not taking her depression lightly and not that it can be easily changed, but when she talked about dream, NDE came to my mind. And tremendous things like NDE/Out of Body experience can cause a change for someone.

      And I personally do not need to know more about Chen Yun Ru or whether she had fallen for Mo Jun Jie. The fact that she’s alive and will work hard to find her purpose in life is good enough closure for me.

      The leads meet again and somehow fall in love but there is not a hint of how this happened, almost as if it was their fate, which doesn\’t really fit the main story making the ending seem something rushed and incomplete.

      I do not understand why the “leads meeting again and somehow falling in love” ending doesn’t fit the main story? The title itself is Someday or One Day. The English literal translation of the title is “Wanting to see you”. To me the ending ties back to what “You’ll be back to me someday. One Day.” means.

      They have said their goodbyes as the time travelling lovers, but they eventually had found their way back to each other because they were simply meant to me. Nothing need to be forced or manipulated, as I quote from E. It’s fate.

      The chorus of the opening song was so fitting with the epilogue.

      Impossible to stay away. Impossible to stay. You’ll be back to me someday. One Day.

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        I think I felt it didn’t fit the main theme because they spent so long trying to break the loop, to change destiny and in the end the happy ending relies on fate, it seemed ironic. Although drama did hint at the leads being fated to meet when LZW found the child HYX.

        Thanks so much @leetennant @flyingcolours and @13infamyss for all the long replies and for helping me understand the show better and for being patient with my questions! 😛

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          To me, she had learned throughout these infinite cycles that there is more to it than trying to get back what already was lost. Ultimately she needed to move on with life and not dwell in the past. That to me was the hard lesson for her. Two beautiful people ended up as casualties when she did not move on. When she realized what actually needed to be done (like move on with life), She ended up saving three people’s lives, four if we count Mo Jun Jie’s grandmother.

          As cheesy as this sounds I believe in karma.What goes around comes back around. She got something good or perhaps better for doing the “right” thing, so I def enjoyed that epilogue. Huang Yu Xuan getting her own HEA.

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      @13infamyss
      I know I’m being stubborn about the loop. Maybe I’ve watched so many time traveling stories I keep trying to impose rules on SOOD, like they should have some proof she couldn’t go before.

      About MJJ I replied above, but it was pretty obvious her death came from the fall and it would be impossible to know if he pushed her, unless he confessed which I don’t believe he would’ve done.

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