Beanie level: Errand boy

Writers are always told to write the book they want to read. I wrote an essay which I desperately wanted to see, every time a drama did something racially problematic. Not only did nobody write it, but even talking about it in some parts of the fandom has been hard.

I don’t usually ask this, you guys, but I beg you, please read this and share share share. Share it everywhere and with everyone. Share it even across DB wherever the conversation comes up.

Diversity in Dramaland: K-dramas and Racial Stereotypes

Thank you.

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I can’t believe I have to update the thing I’m writing AGAIN to include Backstreet Rookie’s latest aggression. Utterly speechless.

https://twitter.com/xaymaca_93/status/1279150605295144962

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For everyone who reads this: can I take a quick survey of your real life occupations? As specific or vague as you are comfortable with.

(Secret drama research reasons XD)

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New episode of What’s Up in Dramaland!!

We talk:
– Backstreet Rookie and what we found problematic about it
– We stan k-pop fans and their racist hashtag takeovers
– We look forward to all the new dramas coming up in July!

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    oh durp, also we talk about Hotel Del Luna getting an American remake!

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    I can’t wait. You’ll be my dinner prep companions again.

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      Yay! I hope you enjoy it and have a lovely meal too! <3

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Hello friends and Dramas Over Flowers listeners!

We want to do both a blog post and a podcast episode on what makes something problematic in a K-drama, and how that affects our experience of a show.

Send us your questions, issues you’d like us to highlight, and/or specific shows you’d like us to address. Reply/comment here, send us a DM on twitter (@dramasoverflow), email us at dramasoverflowers@gmail.com, or record and send a voice memo which we\’ll happily play on the episode. We’ll keep whatever level of anonymity you’d like.

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I watch ep1 of Backstreet Rookie. I lose mind.

Here: https://twitter.com/notnowsaya/status/1274056763118161927

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    Going to go watch Backstreet Boys instead

    …though perhaps that is not an improvement XD

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    I’m glad I uninstalled IQIYI instead of keeping it for this show. It shouts “problematic” everywhere.

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      Would you be able to explain? I’m not watching it or following this once currently, but it seems that the issue with this drama extends out to more more than just the age gap (which, is actually the same as the Lee Joon Gi/IU pairing from “Moon Lovers”— 12 years) 🤔🤔🤔 So my curiosity is piqued (about the issues of the drama, not about the drama itself)

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        People were iffy about the Lee Joon Gi/IU pairing initially, because of the age gap, but I know a handful of us came out of that one liking (some even loving) that pairing if not anything else about that drama

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        I think LJK and IU age gap was not that obvious in Scarlet Heart.

        I watched it for about 15 mins and there’s a scene where KYJ’s character (assuming she’s a minor because she’s wearing highschool uniform ) made a pass and kissed JCW. I don’t think that’s appropriate at all.

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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts Saya!

    Now I really won’t be wasting my time on this drama.

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    *sigh* It’s gonna be a while before I can watch Wookie in a (good) drama, isn’t it? 😔

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      Depends on how long his contract with his current agency is and if he’s planning on sticking around. He had to go get Healer for himself. His agency didn’t do shit

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I have three things for you guys~! *singsong*

One is your regular Weekend Drama Report, where:
– I\’m halfway through THE KING and actually loving it
– Paroma\’s finished and has a LOT of thoughts that I can\’t read yet, but you guys can!
– Meanwhile, Anisa drops ONCE AGAIN, and replaces it with an infinitely better UNFAMILIAR FAMILY.
– Also, I become a teenager again via my boy ALEX RIDER.

The second thing is: HOSPITAL PLAYLIST: A REVIEW by Paroma (@festerfaster)

And finally, though last, definitely not least, we are pleased to unveil…*drumroll*

THE DRAMA ACT-OFF: LEE MIN-HO vs. LEE MIN-HO. We send all the versions of him we know into battle, and only one can win! Who\’s your winning Minnow?

Tell us what you think of the new series, and if there\’s anyone else you want to see thrown into the ring!

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    I’m loving My Unfamiliar Family, too! Good taste, Anisa!

    (Oh, I forgot to send a message back, but yes, your patreon Mindy is me!)

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    Lee Jong-suk please….

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      Got you! I can’t promise when exactly, but the man is definitely an act-off VIP!

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We have a special edition of the Weekend Drama Report this week, and since Anisa (@laica) said it better, I\’m just going to quote her here:

This week, we devote the Weekend Drama Report to the only media we feel able to talk about right now. We never want our conversations about K-drama to exist in a vacuum or ignore the systemic injustices that exist in every space, including this fandom.

Here: https://dramasoverflowers.net/2020/06/08/weekend-drama-report-08-06-20/

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Here\’s our Find Yourself magnum opus!!

@missvictrix, @festerfaster and I got together again and scribbled our hearts out over this wonderful show and you should toooooo. Seriously, this kept getting deeper and deeper, and finally missvctrix just dragged me out of the hole with her \”go ahead if you want to\” which reverse-psyched me haha thanks for saving me from myself!

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Find Yourself, Part 2: A Thesis on Themes
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(and make sure you don\’t miss the slightly less spoilery and way less long Part 1: A Postmortem (feat. missvictrix))

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    LOL!

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      every time you said it, I was like, ‘okay this means I really need to stop’ XD

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    Omg just started watching this yesterday!!

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    I need to discuss this with someone. I’m on ep 20 and I’m getting really frustrated with Feixing’s doubt and people pleasing behavior! I totally understand where she is coming from, but it doesn’t make it any less frustrating to see the web of mess she’s spooling around herself and how much she is hurting Yuan Song!! Gahhh!!

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      Fanxing**

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      Maybe it’s a cultural thing? I find Fanxing’s doubts and hesitations realistic given her circumstances and the society she was brought up in. The drama really keeps the social harshness to a minimum, but it would be pretty brutal for a single 32 yo in China. Fanxing would be keenly aware of how her parents always bear the brunt of unsolicited advice and comments from busybodies, and very anxious about not making the situation worse. Especially cause her parents are so nice about it. It’s a situation I personally understand really well. I’ve seen similar dynamics play out around me. So, maybe that’s why I had more patience with it. For an Asian/South Asian audience, this is very very realistic.

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    Well, crap—those hands just did me in too. And binge-able on Netflix? Sign me up!

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    I finished this last week and it was both delightful and frustrating. I identified with the heroine so much- her avoidance of conflicts and confrontations, her self-doubts and her strong friendships. Everything was me. As a viewer, I was frustrated with her actions and wanted her to just let go of all pressures and be selfish. But, I knew I would be doing the same thing if I was in her shoes. So, it was both cathartic and humbling for me to watch this show. When she finally faced the truth and just let it all out, I was cheering for her. I felt happy and relieved like it had happened to me. I don’t know if I could be that brave to face my demons. I really really hope I confront my lies and doubts some day soon. Otherwise, as she said, it’s like killing myself with the lies I am piling on myself and everyone else. It’s gonna be extremely hard for me as it was for Fanxing but I hope I pull through.

    So, as you can see, it has been a very personal watch for me and I have gained a bit of perspective and clarity after this show. Thank you incredibly for this reco @saya <3
    As Fanxing narrates, I hope time remains kind to all of us and lets us be little girls in our hearts forever!

    P.S.: Any other drama suggestions? How about Le Coup de Foudre?

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      I’m so glad you enjoyed it! I get exactly what you mean about delight/frustration. I really feel everything you said, and you put it so well! Absolutely totally agree about how much it personally resonates, and how it gives you more clarity about yourself! I’m just nodding along to your whole comment and have nothing to add because it’s perfect.

      I haven’t watched Coup de Foudre, but I saw a couple of people recommending it. The one I heard mentioned most as a companion recommendation to this was Someday or One Day – I got halfway through ep1 but then got distracted, so if you watch it first, tell me how you find it!

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IT\’S HERE! @missvictrix and I nom like monsters over C-drama FIND YOURSELF. Come and read and share your thoughts! Also comment if you want missvictrix to come back!

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Find Yourself: A Postmortem, Part 1 (feat. missvictrix)

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This is the most fun I\’ve had writing since @laica and I worked the Pretty Noona fiasco. Writing together is so fun!

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Doing something super-secret (for now) and SUPER FUN with @missvictrix. Watch this space!

Also helps if you watch C-drama FIND YOURSELF and have an appreciation for BEAUTIFUL HANDS

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Has anyone heard from @natzillagorilla recently? Is she okay?

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    I haven’t heard from her in over a year but from what I gather her computer got some sort of virus and she was advised to only go on secure websites. And, well, Dramabeans isn’t secure, so… 🙁

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    Mindy’s right; the whole thing caused her to stop frequenting several websites she used to visit! But she’s doing just fine. I know she had a doctor’s appointment recently and got some great results about her health!!

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Not too long ago, someone was posting an Untamed rewatch which I thought I\’d bookmarked but apparently I didn\’t. Can anyone claim them or remember who it was? (Sorta started watching it – but I\’m 12 mins into ep1 and need help to stay on task, lol)

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    I recently finished a rewatch…. Maybe it was me?? Lol You’re welcome to go visit my Fan Wall to confirm 😉😉

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      @kudoran is currently watching for the first time

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        I watched the Untamed the past 2 weeks for the first time , in no order some personal thoughts :
        – it’s not a binge-able drama
        – if you’re interested in the present timeline it’s ep1-2 then ep33-50 (that kind of strategy didn’t work for me)
        – low budget didn’t help me take this drama seriously when it was supposed to be
        – there are little cute rabbits (but not enough screen time ! it’s like click bait)
        – there is a Gingerbread spy man (like rabbits not enough screentime)
        – the black & white duo is why the show is supra popular, (Lan Zhan & Wei Ying, but they have other names too , you’ll get used to it) : Lan Zhan is my fav’ but the smiler, mood-maker, happy, cute guy is Wei Ying
        – I couldn’t get into the plot and ended up watching at x2 speed ^^’

        I made two posts about it , there are no strong spoilers if you want to check
        http://www.dramabeans.com/members/kudoran/activity/1044772/
        http://www.dramabeans.com/members/kudoran/activity/1044769/

        so sorry if I rain on others parade but I didn’t like that show that much, it’s just a show like another , not an all-time fav’ (rated it 6.5/10 as a common drama)

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          Thanks a lot for your thoughts, Ran! (Sorry I know people call you Kudo but…old-time Meitantei Conan fan here and I know exactly what your name means haha, so Ran it is and I hope you don’t mind!)

          I’m always secretly relieved when someone says, “nah, it wasn’t all that” – like the pressure’s off! I’ll give it a few episodes and if it doesn’t stick, I will allow myself to drop it!

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            It’s nice to see another fan of it :D, hi 👋 !
            When Beanies started to call me Kudo, I was confused like err using Ran would be the right thing, but then I let it pass, so Kudo it is now haha 😂 .

            “I will allow myself to drop it!” I was stubborn and stick to the end, because hey it was so popular, was trying to understand why and fall for it : didn’t work except for a few things I liked 😅 .

            Happy drama watching to you (it being Untamed or another drama 🙂 )

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      aahhhh yes thank you, they were yours! I had to wade all the way to page 23 for the start haha XD XD XD

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      Oops. I replied late. She found you!

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    Pretty sure it was @bebeswtz 🙂

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hello friends! Here’s a thing the Dramas Over Flowers gang have been excited about for months, and it’s finally live! We grabbed YA author June Hur, whose debut novel The Silence of Bones is a Joseon murder mystery. She talked to us about how one goes about writing and researching Joseon period Korea, the challenges of being a diasporic teen, her love of Signal and Kingdom, and lots of other fascinating stuff.

I’m REALLY excited about this one, tell us what you think too!

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    I am a Yi San fangirl so I am very interested in this book.
    Good luck! I hope it sells well.

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      I hope so too! Really excited about June’s second book as well!

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Weekend Drama Report!

– When the Weather is Fine
– Hyena
– Hospital Playlist

and one of the funniest scenes of last week is a bonus (scroll to the end for discombobulated marshmallow hero and artlessly plainspoken gummy bear heroine…then scroll back up and read all the words haha)

Read here –>
https://dramasoverflowers.net/2020/04/13/weekend-drama-report-13-04-20/

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*Dramas Over Flowers Update*
To celebrate finally getting our own domain, http://www.dramasoverflowers.net, we started a new thing! The Weekend Drama Report is a weekly blog feature that will complement our Long Yaks, and hopefully make them a little less long and a lot more fun!

I had a hard time joining in, but once I did, I had a hard time stopping, so I hope you\’ll come and read and talk to me! I miss interacting with you guys through recaps.

Link: Weekend Drama Report.

Dramas discussed:

– WHEN THE WEATHER IS FINE
– HYENA
– MEMORIST
– 365 REPEAT THE YEAR
– HOSPITAL PLAYLIST
– THE GAME: TOWARDS ZERO

This is a weekly feature, so bookmark us and check in every Sunday-ish!

As a lot of our patreon patrons are beanies, can I also say another long and teary thank you for your support <3 Every little new thing we\'ve been able to do that costs money is a direct result of your investment. We started on a zero budget, and every cent you send us is treasured, carefully spent, and never taken for granted. Thank you for believing we are worth your coin!

All our milestones are thanks to the continuous support of every lovely soul who takes the time to listen to us, talk to us, tell their friends about us, and more. Without you, we\'re just a bunch of prattling ladies who laugh too much and also need a new hobby, hahaha

okay bye

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    I’m very excited to have a new drama blog to turn to. Thank you guys for your hard work!

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      Thank *you* for your enthusiasm and readinginess! <3 (new one is up!)

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Dear Beanie hive-mind! NOBODY KNOWS and TELL ME WHAT YOU SAW: are either of these any good/worth watching?

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    Havent watched tell me what you saw but Nobody Knows is awesome!!

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      ooo thanks!

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        Last episode was today and I think it was one of the most well thought out crime dramas I’ve seen. Trying not to hype it up but Nobody Knows is truly a gem ❤️❤️❤️

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    Yessss~! I finished Tell Me What You Saw and liked it. The beginning wasn’t that great tbh and the editing could have been better/tighter. But I like how the plot unfolds and the characterization of Oh Hyun Jae. The cast is a range of characters – good, bad, gray.

    Nobody Knows is worth a try too. I like the main character. Young Jin is smart and perceptive. She also shows her vulnerable side, but that doesn’t make her weak. Details about characters and the mystery was revealed gradually.

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      I’m on board for Nobody Knows, but still on the fence for TMWYS – would you say that someone who hasn’t watched it would be missing out? (limited time, must only watch the unmissable thrillers!)

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        Hmm, trying to keep my Jang Hyuk bias in check lol. Can’t say it’s an unmissable thriller (unless you’re a JH fan. ^^). I would say it is much better than average though.
        The acting is stellar, not only from JH.

        It started off with some weekly criminal cases, but there were a few good emotional scenes with the victims. Soon after, the focus was on the main cast (a strong point in the plot). I liked seeing the characters slowly open up and seeing how they affected each other. Seeing how they were affected by the big crime/trauma.

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        No. I enjoyed it – jang Hyuk says it all but it fell off towards the end. When the Badest Badass character becomes completely incapacitated at the very sight of her nemesis (over and over and…) it becomes less sad and just annoying. There were other problems compounded by less Jang Hyuk towards the end. I’d just rewatch Watcher honestly

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    I liked Tell me what you saw, it’s nothing black or white.
    The characters are really good, and the plot twists (there are a few), I didn’t see them coming until the second before.
    Also, I think it could have been 12 or 14 episodes instead of 16.
    But if you like police dramas, just go and watch it because you’ll have a great time.

    Nobody knows, I only watched the first episode. I will retake it someday, I guess. But the fan wall and the recaps are full of beanies saying it’s really good.

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      oo so would you say TMWYS was unmissable? Also, is it a procedural? (I’m not really into procedurals)

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        It’s not procedural. It’s all about the police investigation.
        I wouldn’t say it is unmissable. I liked it and I had fun. I’m also telling you that the last two episodes could have been one. And yet, I had a lot of fun.

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        It does get a wee bit procedural, which is a pity but it focuses on/ is usually related to the overarching mystery, but the overarching mystery isn’t that mysterious. I shouldnt be that harsh because I really enjoyed alot of it but the last few episodes left a vague but lingering feeling of disappointment.

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          I think the verdict is in:
          Nobody Knows = yes
          TMWYS = no

          thank you all!

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    Watched Tell Me What You Saw and I liked it 😊

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      I’m slowly being convinced! Thanks for sharing!

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You know what is weird? We recorded this at the very beginning of the month in a pre-lockdown world, and oh, how things have changed since then!

Come join us for a little diversion in a pretty dark time, and I hope, dear beanies, that you are all keeping safe and well.

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Because this woman’s talent is boundless, you can now enjoy @festerfaster‘s kdrama video-essay on Veronica Park, and the heroines of Secret Life of My Secretary

If you enjoy it, please tell her! The goal is to make her cry (like every true heroine should)!

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Whoops, here’s one final nugget to wrap up 2019 completely, and that’s our somewhat delayed episode of What’s Up in Dramaland? feat. our favourite recapper, @lollypip!

This was recorded ages ago, but technical hiccups put us behind schedule – hopefully you guys will still enjoy it!

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