Beanie level: Errand boy

Dear friends, if you ever want to find me when I’m not on DB, come and make friends with me on twitter (handle: notnowsaya). I’ll also generally be writing on http://www.dramasoverflowers.net, along with my podpals @laica and @festerfaster, and of course, still podcasting.

If that’s too much human contact for you and you’d rather commune over books, I’m also on Goodreads, trying to find the perfect romance and/or YA high fantasy.

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hello hello,

we watched INDIAN MATCHMAKING

and we had a loooooot to say

check out our WEEKEND DRAMA REPORT: INDIAN MATCHMAKING EDITION.

Did you guys watch it? What did you think?

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    akshay is indeed a wet-wipe of a man.

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      is he even a man, or is he just a limp wet-wipe?

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    Wait so Ashkay’s marriage didn’t work out?!

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      nope, apparently the theory is that it was all an elaborate fake!

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    Also, I really thought Pradhyuman was either gay or bisexual. Hmmmm…

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      You know, despite what seem like obvious signs, he doesn’t come off gay to me, just a rich dandy who puts too much stock in aesthetics – maybe my gaydar is broken though, so who knows!

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Dear my beanies,

When we decided to take these topics on, we weren’t 100% sure exactly how we were going to tackle them, what we would end up talking about, or even at what personal cost it would come. We only knew that we had to call out the wrong that we saw, and we had to contextualise it so that even someone with no exposure to the race and identity conversation could understand where the distress came from, and how it has a real-life impact that can’t be underestimated.

In case you missed it, here is our opening essay on the topic: Diversity in Dramaland: K-dramas and Racial Stereotypes.

Here are detailed and extended shownotes for the podcast episode, which include all our references, links to further reading, and additional thoughts: Representation in Dramaland: Race and Identity

A lot of times, I feel like the friends who engage with my posts are the choir – you already feel how I feel. But what we hope even more is for this conversation to reach beyond us, to people who haven’t thought about it before, who perhaps haven’t been personally affected by it, or who’ve stood on the other side of the argument. We hear you, and we know it’s hard to accept flaws in things you love, but we want you to know that we love them too. We wouldn’t spend weeks and hours writing, planning, producing, recording, editing, and publicising something if it didn’t mean a great deal to us – and if this community didn’t mean a great deal to us.

Please listen. Share. Talk to each other about it. Talk to us. Please be willing to be a bit uncomfortable.

We’re here for good-faith conversations.

And finally and most importantly, we’re here to support our brothers and sisters in the fandom who want and need this discussion to happen. This is dedicated to you.

Love,
Saya, Anisa (@laica), and Paroma (@festerfaster)

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    Timestamps:

    Part 1: RACE REPRESENTATION
    00:01:32 Introduction
    00:05:45 Why does representation matter?
    00:12:14 Contemporary cultural context and the migrant demographic shift
    00:16:55 History of blackface
    00:28:05 History of blackface in Korea, and the history of American imperialism
    00:39:32 Marcia’s voice note: Man to Man, Father I’ll Take Care of You, Backstreet Rookie, and how we deal with bad rep as members of marginalised groups
    01:03:55 Indian representation: Strong Woman Do Bong-soon’s fake yogi; Park Hae-jin in Kkondae Intern; Axone as good rep of Indians from NE states
    01:17:53 How white people are represented in K-drama and English as a marker of social status (Dramas: Search WWW; CLOY; A moment At Eighteen)
    01:24:33 Itaewon Class and Chris Lyon

    Part 2: LGBTQ+ REPRESENTATION
    01:30:34 Itaewon Class and trans rep with Lee Joo-young
    01:35:12 Graceful Family, Strong Woman Do Bong-soon, and trans villainy
    01:40:11 Personal Taste and “gayface”
    01:43:23 Accessing private spaces and gender-bending dramas
    01:46:12 Coffee Prince and the “gay for you” trope
    01:51:29 Secret Boutique
    01:54:28 My Unfamiliar Family
    01:57:28 Reply 1997
    01:59:08 Her Private Life and obligatory tragedy
    02:03:34 Where Your Eyes Linger
    02:04:42 Her Private Life, again. HELLO RYAN GOLD
    02:06:29 Conclusion

    Find us:
    Twitter: dramasoverflow
    Instagram: dramasoverflowers_podcast
    Email: dramasoverflowers [at] gmail [dot] com

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      I’ve already listened to and thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Being from the US, I’ve noticed dramas with clothing that has a confederate flag or other confederate symbols. It’s hard to know if the costumers understood the connections to racism those details contain.

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        That’s a really interesting observation! I think sometimes people are so used to seeing certain things that they sort of stop seeing them at all. And that I think is actually important, because that tells us what we need to do.

        Thank you (AS ALWAYS) for your support <3 <3

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This week, Paroma and I revisit some of our favourite romcoms from the 90s/00s. Come and get a nostalgia hit!

Weekend Drama Report: 10 Things I Hate About You and More

Also hit me up with your faves. Apparently I am still a heathen 😂

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Bonus Dramas Over Flowers updates:

– Recording tomorrow is anotherrr Spoiled Yak on MY UNFAMILIAR FAMILY with some special guests you may know: @cloggie and @chickachunga. So excited for this, but also so disappointed I haven’t watched the show yet so I can’t join!

– Somebody just got done editing a monster 3.5 hours of audio for our race and identity representation special. It’s a pretty good ep, if I do say so myself. Planning to release in the coming week so look forward to it!

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In case you didn’t catch it, join us for a Spoiled Yak on HOSPITAL PLAYLIST with @festerfaster and @laica!

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Writers are always told to write the book they want to read. I wrote an essay which I desperately wanted to see, every time a drama did something racially problematic. Not only did nobody write it, but even talking about it in some parts of the fandom has been hard.

I don\’t usually ask this, you guys, but I beg you, please read this and share share share. Share it everywhere and with everyone. Share it even across DB wherever the conversation comes up.

Diversity in Dramaland: K-dramas and Racial Stereotypes

Thank you.

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    @Saya This was a well written article.

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    Wow I can’t believe suzy used the prayer mat as a doormat. I am so triggered rn!

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      Thank you for the comprehensive write-up addressing these problematic issues.

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      oh that wasn’t so bad – MWDTL was wayyyy worse! ^^

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      The prayer mat (though not this particular one) do sometimes look like a carpet but what really pissed me off was the description of the scene in K2 where the girl took off her hijab and kissed JCW after she was proposed to. Like, hijabis don’t get enough bad rep from Western media and now we have to deal w Asian ones as well.

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        I know, it’s completely ridiculous 🙄 All of these insensitive takes and misrepresentations of other people’s cultures, whether subtle or overt, are triggering and plain insulting. Personally I don’t think the prayer mat should be easily overlooked because it’s just as disrespectful for them to disregard the meaning of something used for worship. They should have done their research better.

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    Great piece!

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    Really well written, and it made me think. Thanks!

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    Thank you, Saya. You’ve written a very valuable essay 👏🏽 and I appreciate it.

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      thank you for reading! (and please keep spreading if you can)

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    Thanks for this, Saya. That was really good food for thought. There are lots of time when I just feel iffy watching a scene and you’ve pinpointed what it was about.

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    Thanks for this. I enjoyed reading it and realised the many things I tend to overlook in the dramas. I have shared it on Tumblr.

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I can\’t believe I have to update the thing I\’m writing AGAIN to include Backstreet Rookie\’s latest aggression. Utterly speechless.

https://twitter.com/xaymaca_93/status/1279150605295144962

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For everyone who reads this: can I take a quick survey of your real life occupations? As specific or vague as you are comfortable with.

(Secret drama research reasons XD)

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New episode of What’s Up in Dramaland!!

We talk:
– Backstreet Rookie and what we found problematic about it
– We stan k-pop fans and their racist hashtag takeovers
– We look forward to all the new dramas coming up in July!

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    oh durp, also we talk about Hotel Del Luna getting an American remake!

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    I can’t wait. You’ll be my dinner prep companions again.

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      Yay! I hope you enjoy it and have a lovely meal too! <3

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Hello friends and Dramas Over Flowers listeners!

We want to do both a blog post and a podcast episode on what makes something problematic in a K-drama, and how that affects our experience of a show.

Send us your questions, issues you’d like us to highlight, and/or specific shows you’d like us to address. Reply/comment here, send us a DM on twitter (@dramasoverflow), email us at dramasoverflowers@gmail.com, or record and send a voice memo which we\’ll happily play on the episode. We’ll keep whatever level of anonymity you’d like.

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I watch ep1 of Backstreet Rookie. I lose mind.

Here: https://twitter.com/notnowsaya/status/1274056763118161927

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    Going to go watch Backstreet Boys instead

    …though perhaps that is not an improvement XD

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    I’m glad I uninstalled IQIYI instead of keeping it for this show. It shouts “problematic” everywhere.

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      Would you be able to explain? I’m not watching it or following this once currently, but it seems that the issue with this drama extends out to more more than just the age gap (which, is actually the same as the Lee Joon Gi/IU pairing from “Moon Lovers”— 12 years) 🤔🤔🤔 So my curiosity is piqued (about the issues of the drama, not about the drama itself)

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        People were iffy about the Lee Joon Gi/IU pairing initially, because of the age gap, but I know a handful of us came out of that one liking (some even loving) that pairing if not anything else about that drama

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        I think LJK and IU age gap was not that obvious in Scarlet Heart.

        I watched it for about 15 mins and there’s a scene where KYJ’s character (assuming she’s a minor because she’s wearing highschool uniform ) made a pass and kissed JCW. I don’t think that’s appropriate at all.

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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts Saya!

    Now I really won’t be wasting my time on this drama.

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    *sigh* It’s gonna be a while before I can watch Wookie in a (good) drama, isn’t it? 😔

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      Depends on how long his contract with his current agency is and if he’s planning on sticking around. He had to go get Healer for himself. His agency didn’t do shit

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I have three things for you guys~! *singsong*

One is your regular Weekend Drama Report, where:
– I\’m halfway through THE KING and actually loving it
– Paroma\’s finished and has a LOT of thoughts that I can\’t read yet, but you guys can!
– Meanwhile, Anisa drops ONCE AGAIN, and replaces it with an infinitely better UNFAMILIAR FAMILY.
– Also, I become a teenager again via my boy ALEX RIDER.

The second thing is: HOSPITAL PLAYLIST: A REVIEW by Paroma (@festerfaster)

And finally, though last, definitely not least, we are pleased to unveil…*drumroll*

THE DRAMA ACT-OFF: LEE MIN-HO vs. LEE MIN-HO. We send all the versions of him we know into battle, and only one can win! Who\’s your winning Minnow?

Tell us what you think of the new series, and if there\’s anyone else you want to see thrown into the ring!

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    I’m loving My Unfamiliar Family, too! Good taste, Anisa!

    (Oh, I forgot to send a message back, but yes, your patreon Mindy is me!)

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    Lee Jong-suk please….

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      Got you! I can’t promise when exactly, but the man is definitely an act-off VIP!

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We have a special edition of the Weekend Drama Report this week, and since Anisa (@laica) said it better, I\’m just going to quote her here:

This week, we devote the Weekend Drama Report to the only media we feel able to talk about right now. We never want our conversations about K-drama to exist in a vacuum or ignore the systemic injustices that exist in every space, including this fandom.

Here: https://dramasoverflowers.net/2020/06/08/weekend-drama-report-08-06-20/

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Here\’s our Find Yourself magnum opus!!

@missvictrix, @festerfaster and I got together again and scribbled our hearts out over this wonderful show and you should toooooo. Seriously, this kept getting deeper and deeper, and finally missvctrix just dragged me out of the hole with her \”go ahead if you want to\” which reverse-psyched me haha thanks for saving me from myself!

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Find Yourself, Part 2: A Thesis on Themes
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(and make sure you don\’t miss the slightly less spoilery and way less long Part 1: A Postmortem (feat. missvictrix))

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    LOL!

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      every time you said it, I was like, ‘okay this means I really need to stop’ XD

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    Omg just started watching this yesterday!!

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    I need to discuss this with someone. I’m on ep 20 and I’m getting really frustrated with Feixing’s doubt and people pleasing behavior! I totally understand where she is coming from, but it doesn’t make it any less frustrating to see the web of mess she’s spooling around herself and how much she is hurting Yuan Song!! Gahhh!!

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      Fanxing**

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      Maybe it’s a cultural thing? I find Fanxing’s doubts and hesitations realistic given her circumstances and the society she was brought up in. The drama really keeps the social harshness to a minimum, but it would be pretty brutal for a single 32 yo in China. Fanxing would be keenly aware of how her parents always bear the brunt of unsolicited advice and comments from busybodies, and very anxious about not making the situation worse. Especially cause her parents are so nice about it. It’s a situation I personally understand really well. I’ve seen similar dynamics play out around me. So, maybe that’s why I had more patience with it. For an Asian/South Asian audience, this is very very realistic.

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    Well, crap—those hands just did me in too. And binge-able on Netflix? Sign me up!

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    I finished this last week and it was both delightful and frustrating. I identified with the heroine so much- her avoidance of conflicts and confrontations, her self-doubts and her strong friendships. Everything was me. As a viewer, I was frustrated with her actions and wanted her to just let go of all pressures and be selfish. But, I knew I would be doing the same thing if I was in her shoes. So, it was both cathartic and humbling for me to watch this show. When she finally faced the truth and just let it all out, I was cheering for her. I felt happy and relieved like it had happened to me. I don’t know if I could be that brave to face my demons. I really really hope I confront my lies and doubts some day soon. Otherwise, as she said, it’s like killing myself with the lies I am piling on myself and everyone else. It’s gonna be extremely hard for me as it was for Fanxing but I hope I pull through.

    So, as you can see, it has been a very personal watch for me and I have gained a bit of perspective and clarity after this show. Thank you incredibly for this reco @saya <3
    As Fanxing narrates, I hope time remains kind to all of us and lets us be little girls in our hearts forever!

    P.S.: Any other drama suggestions? How about Le Coup de Foudre?

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      I’m so glad you enjoyed it! I get exactly what you mean about delight/frustration. I really feel everything you said, and you put it so well! Absolutely totally agree about how much it personally resonates, and how it gives you more clarity about yourself! I’m just nodding along to your whole comment and have nothing to add because it’s perfect.

      I haven’t watched Coup de Foudre, but I saw a couple of people recommending it. The one I heard mentioned most as a companion recommendation to this was Someday or One Day – I got halfway through ep1 but then got distracted, so if you watch it first, tell me how you find it!

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IT\’S HERE! @missvictrix and I nom like monsters over C-drama FIND YOURSELF. Come and read and share your thoughts! Also comment if you want missvictrix to come back!

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Find Yourself: A Postmortem, Part 1 (feat. missvictrix)

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This is the most fun I\’ve had writing since @laica and I worked the Pretty Noona fiasco. Writing together is so fun!

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    Okay, now I’m gonna watch this 🙂 Wonderful write-up 🙂

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      thank you for reading!! if you make it to the end, we’ve got a lovely huge spoiler-filled discussion coming up too!

      ps don’t watch it in a less than a week like me XD

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    When did she leave? Is she leaving? Don’t gooo @missvictrix

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      Aw, don’t worry, I’m not leaving DB until they *make* me haha and I hope that’s never. This was just a little side adventure 😉

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        Oh ok.. phewww 😄

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          LOL but now I am like, hey you don’t care if *I* leave then? XD

          which is fair, considering that I haven’t done a lot here for a while, sob.

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            NOOOO!!! i don’t want any staff to leave DB! i only asked cos i prolly misunderstood your post. Don’t go anywhere ok?

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Doing something super-secret (for now) and SUPER FUN with @missvictrix. Watch this space!

Also helps if you watch C-drama FIND YOURSELF and have an appreciation for BEAUTIFUL HANDS

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Has anyone heard from @natzillagorilla recently? Is she okay?

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    I haven’t heard from her in over a year but from what I gather her computer got some sort of virus and she was advised to only go on secure websites. And, well, Dramabeans isn’t secure, so… 🙁

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    Mindy’s right; the whole thing caused her to stop frequenting several websites she used to visit! But she’s doing just fine. I know she had a doctor’s appointment recently and got some great results about her health!!

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Not too long ago, someone was posting an Untamed rewatch which I thought I\’d bookmarked but apparently I didn\’t. Can anyone claim them or remember who it was? (Sorta started watching it – but I\’m 12 mins into ep1 and need help to stay on task, lol)

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    I recently finished a rewatch…. Maybe it was me?? Lol You’re welcome to go visit my Fan Wall to confirm 😉😉

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      @kudoran is currently watching for the first time

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        I watched the Untamed the past 2 weeks for the first time , in no order some personal thoughts :
        – it’s not a binge-able drama
        – if you’re interested in the present timeline it’s ep1-2 then ep33-50 (that kind of strategy didn’t work for me)
        – low budget didn’t help me take this drama seriously when it was supposed to be
        – there are little cute rabbits (but not enough screen time ! it’s like click bait)
        – there is a Gingerbread spy man (like rabbits not enough screentime)
        – the black & white duo is why the show is supra popular, (Lan Zhan & Wei Ying, but they have other names too , you’ll get used to it) : Lan Zhan is my fav’ but the smiler, mood-maker, happy, cute guy is Wei Ying
        – I couldn’t get into the plot and ended up watching at x2 speed ^^’

        I made two posts about it , there are no strong spoilers if you want to check
        http://www.dramabeans.com/members/kudoran/activity/1044772/
        http://www.dramabeans.com/members/kudoran/activity/1044769/

        so sorry if I rain on others parade but I didn’t like that show that much, it’s just a show like another , not an all-time fav’ (rated it 6.5/10 as a common drama)

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          Thanks a lot for your thoughts, Ran! (Sorry I know people call you Kudo but…old-time Meitantei Conan fan here and I know exactly what your name means haha, so Ran it is and I hope you don’t mind!)

          I’m always secretly relieved when someone says, “nah, it wasn’t all that” – like the pressure’s off! I’ll give it a few episodes and if it doesn’t stick, I will allow myself to drop it!

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            It’s nice to see another fan of it :D, hi 👋 !
            When Beanies started to call me Kudo, I was confused like err using Ran would be the right thing, but then I let it pass, so Kudo it is now haha 😂 .

            “I will allow myself to drop it!” I was stubborn and stick to the end, because hey it was so popular, was trying to understand why and fall for it : didn’t work except for a few things I liked 😅 .

            Happy drama watching to you (it being Untamed or another drama 🙂 )

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      aahhhh yes thank you, they were yours! I had to wade all the way to page 23 for the start haha XD XD XD

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      Oops. I replied late. She found you!

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    Pretty sure it was @bebeswtz 🙂

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hello friends! Here’s a thing the Dramas Over Flowers gang have been excited about for months, and it’s finally live! We grabbed YA author June Hur, whose debut novel The Silence of Bones is a Joseon murder mystery. She talked to us about how one goes about writing and researching Joseon period Korea, the challenges of being a diasporic teen, her love of Signal and Kingdom, and lots of other fascinating stuff.

I’m REALLY excited about this one, tell us what you think too!

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    I am a Yi San fangirl so I am very interested in this book.
    Good luck! I hope it sells well.

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      I hope so too! Really excited about June’s second book as well!

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