I thought I had the court maids dress code figured out, but then in the scene where the Wol Hye and other court maids pestered Lady Seo to bring back Deok Im, Wol Hye and few others were wearing pink. So, Sageuk expert and history nerd beanies, please tell me whether the below points correct are correct?
1) Till the coming of age ceremony (less than 18 years of age), all maids would wear a light rose colour dress and have their hair down in a single plait.
2) Then their dress colour would be light shade of green and their hair would be plaited and rolled at the nape of the neck.
3) When they get more experience, say 10 years, they get to wear dark green with their hair in a bun.
It is the first time I’m paying attention to details in a Sageuk, which means the drama is really good.
The pink at the end of Episode 6 on girls who are obviously official Court Ladies initially threw me as well, but then I noticed that along with her hair still being up ofc, there is a dark pink band underneath their armpits, and a dark pink collar, on both these pink uniform hanboks, and the pale jade green hanboks they normally wear, and the skirts are a darker blue also, in comparison to the pale rose and slightly lighter blue hanbok they wear as saenggaksi, before coming of age.
So I’m guessing that this version of gungnyeo dress is something they might wear for certain tasks/ jobs? As @kiara mentioned, different court ladies had different roles.
Pink generally meant in training, so potentially this is something they wear when they’re still in training for a specific role, despite having graduated out of saenggaksi, but I’m not sure if this holds up to the official court lady system.
I’ll do some more research later mayhaps.
Otherwise, you are pretty much correct on your points of attire for court ladies based on rank, yes.
To pull from The Talking Cupboard re the hairstyle though (which has some resources on historical dress):
The daenggi meori (๋๊ธฐ๋จธ๋ฆฌ) was the hairstyle young women wore before they were married, that is the simple long plait, tied with a normally red daenggi.
The Saeng meori (์๋จธ๋ฆฌ) is what the court ladies once graduated, wear- where the the plait is tied up with the daenggi, instead of being down.
“ The hair was parted into several parts and it was braided and folded. The number of parts depended on the departments in which the court ladies worked: jimil nain had four parts while chimbang and sukbang nain had their hair divided into two parts. The daenggi for this hairstyle depended on the number of parts too: negadak daenggi for the four-part (๋ค โ ne = four, ๊ฐ๋ฅ โ gadak = the part of hair) and dugadak daenggi for two-part ( ๋ โ du = two) saeng meori.”
TheCheopji meori (์ฒฉ์ง๋จธ๋ฆฌ) is what the high ranking court ladies, and married royals wore- deriving its name from the cheopji, the type of ornament that sits on the top of their head. The cheopji indicates rank- the senior court ladies, the sanggung’s cheopji are small silver frogs. Their hair is secured in a bun using a binyeo the large, long hair pins that imo need to feature more use as hidden daggers ๐
Both the talking cupboard and glimja have more and interesting resources on Joseon fashion, dress, headwear and hairstyles. If I have time I might do a bit of a summary post on it all if people are interested? I know Kiara wants me to do one on the hanbok pffffft. I often notice these details, as I have said often to the point of being distracted, because I love costume and fashion, but I’m still learning myself and haven’t learnt all the terms yet. All the hairstyles and terms for different styles and ornaments alone gets complicated and I only gave you a little summary of the main hairstyles we see of court ladies here.
Though I know some dramas take liberties with the color code, my impression was that there are about 5 colors. Dae Jang geum did an amazing job of portraying this. There, the flow went like this.
1. Pink for trainee maids
2. Teal for official junior maids
3. Darker pink for official Senior maids (in DJG, the maids of the same rank but of different departments had diff colors)
4. Light green dangui for junior Sangung/Nain
5. Dark green dangui for senior sangung.
So your question made me curious.
I looked closer (too bad can’t share screenshot here, if you want I’ll make a comparison post on my wall or smth), the corresponding colors in Red Sleeve are like this.
1. Pink trainee
2. Light green with Red neckline strip for official junior
3. Pink with red neckline strip for possibly official senior (this Pink is quite similar to the trainee one, hence the confusion)
4. I didn’t see any Light green dangui, this rank seems to be nonexistent
5. Jade for sangung.
Hah!? Was it? Dark and darker…. I didn’t notice but wouldn’t put it past the team because they made the confusing choice of making both the trainee and senior maid pink lol
I am not even having enough time in a day to complete my personal work and go through all the Red Sleeve discussions😂😂 so many comments to catch up on!
My brain is not really working today so my notes will not be as thought out as I would like and in bullet points and Iโll probably miss stuff but whatever:
Fave Parts of 5:
– Secret Club!
– Stares
– Why are you wearing the outfit of a married woman!
– Sworn Allegiance to the Future King, with Tears, and Forbidden Attendance.
Fave Parts of 6:
– I actually only got round to watching episode 6 yesterday lol
– All of it it was my favourite episode so far, and no, not just cos of the infamous bath scene lol
– The Riddle Recap with San facepalming but complimenting Deok Mi anyway. (He said her name, le gasp pfft)
– The Silk Worm Room! Weโre at the end of the Joseon Dynasty comparatively, but the history of Silk is so Fascinating and I geeked out a little when I saw that.
– Iโm a sucker for sageuks that focus on traditional life, detail, ritual and ceremony, this show gives us a fair amount of it: The emphasis on festivals and ceremonies, and formality, and clothing changing to fit that. Aka I loved everything about the Silk Cocoon Ceremony.
– Including the Politics of it! The interconnectedness and alliances both big and small, and how everything had a price, how easily the King commanded his court, how they couldnโt argue back, Hwawanโs punishment, Deok Mi being imperative to it all working! Marvellous time, I had.
– But especially the emphasis on ceremonial clothing, from court lady, to nobility, to princess and ofc, the Queen. Lady Hye Gyungโs dark purple and olive green with terracotta and marroon accents had more class than Princess Hwawanโs expensive Qin garb in my opinion.
– Although I found it very convenient that Deok Miโs friend spoke about Princess Hwawan buying silk from Qin immediately after sheโd been given her task by the Queenโฆ Did we know that her friend was the daughter of a silk merchant prior to this? If we did it wouldโve worked better, but I at least didnโt. But itโs only a small nitpick and I donโt mind in the grand scheme of thing because I was enjoying the story too much haha.
– Speaking of the Politics behind this episode, @kiara, historically was the Queen in support of San, or not? I like her but I donโt know if sheโs friend or foe yet.
– I also liked Deok Ro beingโฆ well Deok Ro, and the introduction of his sister. I donโt know if I LIKE him but I enjoy him as a character.
– I loved the parallel between San saying โI trust her but I donโt think highly of her talentsโ vs Deok Ro saying โReally? I think highly of her talents, but do not trust herโ.
– San in Purple Shooting. XD
– San being like โi hope the queen doesn’t keep her permanently. Will I get her BACK?! Iโll get her BACK RIGHT? SHEโS CANโT STAY AFTER I JUST GOT OUT? THE INJUSTICE?โ
– โUnfortunately *grinning* the Queen is a higher rank than you~โ
– The court ladies physically dragging Deok Mi into the bathing room and locking her in there.
– San apparently has no qualms about being shirtless in front of any other court lady, but does in front of Deok Mi lmao.
– I donโt need to break down the Bath Scene, do I?
– Although honestly I was minorly distracted the whole time cos he said the Water was COLD! And she brought ONE BUCKET! And there was no STEAM. And he was just chilling in the cold bath? Adfghjkl or was he lying cos heโs precious like thatโฆ
Obsessed with how Sanโs hand moved to Deok-miโs waist. I keep replaying that entire sequence several times a day, and Iโm not ashamed to admit it.
The ceremony scene was fascinating. I admit to not knowing much about Joseon ceremonies, so thereโs probably a bunch of nuance I missed, but clothes worn by all the nobility and royalty looked gorgeous to me. The politics of power between the women present was portrayed so deftly that even I understood that what Princess Hwawan did was a grave offence. Although it did take me until the scene between the King and Queen to realize why her wearing Qin silk was a faux-pas.
But thatโs why I wanted to join this hangout thread in the first place! Iโm not very knowledgeable about Joseon-era culture and history beyond the very basics I picked up from watching sageuks. However, I always end up learning new things from beanie comments and discussion threads. Iโm loving the details in this drama and itโs clear that painstaking work was done to make the setting rich and immersive. And getting to learn about the historical details always adds to my enjoyment of a sageuk.
Oh absolutely! Thatโs the fun of watching sageuks. Iโm a huge history nerd in real life (currently majoring in South Asian history), so my love for sageuks are just an extension of that. The history of Korea is so complex and multifaceted; thereโs no way I wouldnโt get fascinated.
In episode 5, I laughed aloud at the King’s Swordsman’s line,
“I feel a personal affinity to His Majesty today. He just made a clown of himself.”
I like how his character has a life of its own – his memory lapses, his having to take the blame for things, and his self-awareness.
(cc: @ladynightshade) Coming on day 6 of being sick, it’s hot and my brain is fried, so I’m probably just gonna ghost and let you guys enjoy this, but … yes.
I was disapointed by the Queen scene in the silk ceremony. I was so ready to see her destroying the Princess Hwawan with her words but the scene was lacking. The Princess didn’t undestand what she did wrong and then we got the scene with the King.
I really like the scenes with the King. You never know how they will go, he’s in a good mood? Will he be angry? The CP and the King’s scenes are my favourite. I love the King’s glasses ๐
I’m still not convinced by LSY’s acting in the ingenuous parts of her character. I don’t know if the drama will have a time jump and it’s just her way to act the young Deok-Im. But she’s more natural in the quiet scenes.
I really like the friendship between the court ladies. I hope they will stay friends when they will know about Deok-Im and the CP.
The fall in the bath was pretty funny but the scene after was so beautiful. Why they always stop the episode at the best part? >_<
I do not think he has an official wife yet since he and his mother were talking about the right wife for him would be someone from an aristocratic lineage.
San was married when he was 10, and his wife was 9 years old (typical political arranged marriage). She is the current crown princess and future queen. She is in the background because this is Deok Im’s story, the woman that San loves and chooses to be his wife.
@kiara But is she in this story, they never mentionned her?
I understand the story is about Yi-San and Deok-Im’s story but the fact he already married is not really a detail. This drama is about real history. Mentionning her won’t make Yi-San and Deok-Im’s love story less beautiful.
@kiara thanks for clearing that up. Despite it being Deok Im’s story, I have not heard it mention about a wife so I assumed there was none yet. I know Jeongjo has multiple wives so I expected the Crown Princess to be mentioned later on.
@Kurama
I don’t know if she is going to make an appearance later or not.
It doesn’t matter to me if she is part of the show or not. They already have a lot to cover in 16 episodes.
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The actress playing Ji Woon’s mom in TKA played San’s queen in the 77 episodes sageuk YI SAN.
She fully supported Deok Im and San’s relationship because she didn’t have any children.
@kiara I found her history interesting honestly. She was married young and at the opposite of the King, she hasn’t the right to have male concubin ๐ So it’s nice she supported her husband and adopted his kids with other women to make them “official”.
San’s queen and the current queen did not have any children of their own, but since they were the highest rank women in the inner court, all of the children of the concubines were considered theirs.
Princess Hwawan was way out of line. The queen is technically her mother, so I’m finding faults with King Yeongjo when it comes to spoiling his daughter and being extremely harsh on his son.
It’s good to see him kind of balance it out with San, but he is still harsh.
On the other hand, maybe San needs some hard lessons? He did knowingly disobeyed the king’s orders.
Like the king said to San, “one day you’ll sit on that throne, and then you’ll understand me.”
This drama is not just about real history. It’s a traditional fusion. The main source is taken from a novel. The author must have done her homework. The history and fiction are well balanced.
You are correct in your assumption. They haven’t mentioned anything about his wife yet. I’m just going off with what I know about history.
There is a lot of history that they are not showing and it’s always in the back of my mind as background info.
Yeongjo is fascinating for me partly because of his unpredictability. He does keep everyone in his court on their toes. But mostly what boggles my mind is what it took to make that decision about his son.
I am watching another version of him in Haechi. Its like a crash course on Yeongjo for me right now.
He is and credit to Lee Deok-hwa for humanizing Yeongjo. I can feel the weight of the crown, and It’s rare to see him this vulnerable, especially when it comes to San.
In history, Yeongjo was a great king but not a great father, obviously from our perspectives.
His reign was relatively peaceful except for the Sato incident.
I do consider him as the people’s king. His mother was one of them, so I think deep inside, he saw his lowly mother in his people.
Just like the palace maids, we know nothing about Yeongjo’s reactions. So uncertain. I keep waiting for his scenes, Lee Deok hwa’s experience is showing visibly here, he is amazing.
Omg @jorobertson I feel like I shouldn’t laugh bc it was a tragedy but this is so funny!! I feel the same way, is he going to have someone beheaded or just putting his glasses on ?
LOL “Irascible” keeps coming to me. He is an irascible and difficult man. But he’s king. I laughed when he got the court to agree that San was not being confined.
Princess Hwawan is a spoiled, entitled, disrespectful brat. She knows what she is doing, and as the king’s favorite, she gets away with a lot of crap.
The “young” queen (she’s younger than all of Concubine Jeong’s children) is always careful when to pick her battle.
The queen is young, so we’ll see what happens when daddy passes away.
Oh, I don’t like Princess Hwawan and it’s why I was expecting more from their confrontation. But the scene wasn’t really strong for me. The actress playing the Queen is really great by the way.
Am I the only one who thinks these two resemble a bit? Lol. It took me two epsiodes to realize these are two separate people. Jang Hee Jin is doing wonderful as the Queen.
Agree; Jang Hee-jin perfectly plays this elegant queen. She is a sageuk veteran, so no surprise there.
I thought it was well done. The queen put Hwawan in her place in front of royal and influential women in the capital.
If any woman dares to disrespect the queen, this is what will happen to them.
Thanks to Hwawan, San will have the queen on his side.
I have only seen LSY in The Best Hit and was not convinced by her there however, she’s better here imo but others are too good that they are overshadowing her completely, even the Queen, Jang Hee Jin.
I like her honestly. She was one of the best character in Korean Odysseus, she was great in Kairos and The Crowned Clown. But for this role, the bright side of her character looks a little bit forced or comical. But for the serious scene, like the bath, I like her.
I’m not sure if it’s the writing or Se-young or just me not getting it. There is a scene of her pulling Junho down into the water and the bath scene made me laugh but left me confused at the same time. Was she supposed to do that? LOL
The hand and cutesy acting is supposed to be conveying what? Joseon aegyo? I swear I’m the only one who doesn’t get it. LOL.
I think there are a few places where the dialogue is a little off- either in delivery, or writing, or execution. So I can see how the comical scenes might seemed forced- for me it was a couple of scenes where she spoke to Deok Ro, that seemed far too casual and also awkward for the scene and the era. Like the dialogue just becomes super stunted and weird all of a sudden- the main time I can think of is when he pulled her out of the Court Lady’s area and asked her what she was to San.
But then there’s always a really good scene to follow it so I don’t mind- there were almost none of these awkward scenes in Ep 6 for me though. (In comparison to previous awkwardness, the scene with DI and DR on the bridge was class.)
That being said! @kiara– the pulling Junho down into the water scene was so very clearly meant to be over the top and ridiculous and comedy- she was meant to pull him down again and again, that was clearly what they were going for with that scene- I laughed but it was a bit too obviously staged so then I just laughed at that as well.
The bath…
I rewatched and I think it was supposed to be that she got shocked and overbalanced, which like, that could be fair, but the way they directed it and executed it … well, as has already been said, made it look like she just leapt into his arms for no reason hahaha.
– I am on the fence with the Queen, I do not trust her tbh. But she appears to be the lesser evil when Princess Hwawan is so antagonistic towards her nephew.
– I feel bad for San as everyone is against him because of who his father was and what he has done in the past.
– I really like both episodes and love the outfits during the Silk Ceremony.
Like you, I pause a lot to read, so I haven’t finished watching episode 6 yet.
In short, San and the queen did get along until sometimes after he ascended the throne.
San later exiled her older brother Kim Gwi-ju, and their relationship went downhill from there.
Background:
The Sato incident split the Noron faction (King Yeongjo’s supporters) further into two parties.
The Byeokpa party was led by the queen’s family (the Kims), and the Sipa party was led by San’s maternal family (the Hongs). Both were each other’s enemies.
From wiki
“Yeongjo died on 22 April 1776, and Yi San ascended to the throne as the 22nd Joseon monarch (temple name: Jeongjo).
As widow of a king, she was honored as Queen Dowager Yesun. Hong Bong-han, Jeongjo’s maternal grandfather, and Jeong Hu-gyeom, Princess Hwawan’s adoptive son, protested this decision. Yesun’s older brother, Kim Gwi-ju, advised his sister to wait for the right moment, but Jeongjo acted first. He dismissed Hong Bong-han and Jeong Hu-gyeom from office. However, Jeongjo later exiled Kim Gwi-ju to Heuksan Island with the reason of disrespect towards the King’s mother, Lady Hyegyeong. Still, the real reason was because of Kim Gwi-ju’s involvement with Hong Bong-han’s dismissal during Yeongjo’s reign. This action has made unsaid tension and extreme confrontations between Yesun and Jeongjo.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Jeongsun
Comment:
The queen is not going to stand in San’s way. It doesn’t seem like the power struggles between the two families are going to be included. The queen’s brother and San’s maternal grandfather are not part of the show.
Deok Im’s King Sejong (3 bells) riddle was hilarious. She thought that the queen couldn’t figure it out. San’s reaction had me in stitches, but then he called her Deok Im-ah, and my heart melted.
I guessed that the heart was the answer to one of them, but I thought the three things were all the same riddle, so the heart was the answer to all of them (I mean it makes sense to me) haha.
@dramaover4ever,
Is it safe to say that the king and San both fell for their concubine’s brain? LOL
Deok Im is said to be intelligent, so the Sejong riddle does not reflect her intelligence. Lol. I was a bit surprised that she didn’t come up with something clever. I mean, she is a bookworm and has access to the crown prince’s library.
Thanks Sic, rest well!
I loved San running to Deok Im and then running away in embarrassment lol. Also Junho’s microexpressions when he realizes it was DI who heard his conversation with his mother. I also like that the drama shows us what happens in the palace (Silk Cocoon Festival, the lives of the court ladies etc) and is not only about San ascending the throne and his love story with Deok Im. Overall every episode is a standalone great one. LDH remains the scene stealer but LJH isn’t far off either.
I’m with you on Deok Ro. Love the character and how it’s being played by the actor. I love shady and realistic characters because life is not black or white, and if San wants to become a king he needs Deok Ro by his side, or someone like Deok Ro and he knows it.
I am going to be a Debbie Downer and speculate that it would have been highly dangerous for young Court ladies to attend to male young and old royal family members having a bath by themselves because of how they were viewed: as the property of the monarch and hence the possibility of sexual assault would have been likely so while in isolation that scene had a comical touch, there was an important safety protocol that the others violated by forcing Deokim to go in by herself.
My two interesting cameos for episode 6:
rising actress Park Seo-kyung https://asianwiki.com/Park_Seo-Kyung_(2009)
she was played Hong Dan
– she previously starred as Shin Jin-A in both seasons of TV Chosun’s hit Love feat. Marriage & Divorce earlier this year
Jung Jong-woo https://asianwiki.com/Jung_Jong-Woo_(actor)
he played as the royal palace guard
– he previously appeared on fellow sageuk Kdrama Secret Royal Inspector (KBS) as the captain
– OMG! He had mostly a lot of supporting Kdrama roles since 2016.
I know this is probably not a huge deal but it makes me so happy for the cast and crew of RED SLEEVE.
โThe Red Sleeveโ And Its Stars Sweep Most Buzzworthy Drama And Actor Lists.”
The top 10 dramas that generated the most buzz in the fourth week of November are as follows:
1. MBCโs โThe Red Sleeveโ
2. KBS 2TVโs โThe Kingโs Affectionโ
3. tvNโs โHappinessโ
4. SBSโs โNow We Are Breaking Upโ
5. KBS 2TVโs โYoung Lady and Gentlemanโ
6. tvNโs โJirisanโ
7. JTBCโs โReflection of Youโ
8. KBS 2TVโs โSchool 2021โ
9. KBS 2TVโs โSecret Royal Inspector & Joyโ
10. tvNโs โMelancholiaโ
Meanwhile, the top 10 drama actors that generated the most buzz this week are as follows:
1. Lee Se Young (โThe Red Sleeveโ)
2. Lee Junho (โThe Red Sleeveโ)
3. Song Hye Kyo (โNow We Are Breaking Upโ)
4. Park Eun Bin (โThe Kingโs Affectionโ)
5. Ji Hyun Woo (โYoung Lady and Gentlemanโ)
6. Jang Ki Yong (โNow We Are Breaking Upโ)
7. Rowoon (โThe Kingโs Affectionโ)
8. Go Hyun Jung (โReflection of Youโ)
9. Han Hyo Joo (โHappinessโ)
10. Lee Se Hee (โYoung Lady and Gentlemanโ)
My interesting parts of… Episode 5
– dong – same deok – virtue (dong deok = same virtue)
– book called Dongguk Munheon Bigo – Compilation of Materials in Korea
– another book Book of the Odes
there’s an ode inside:
The north wind is chilly,
the falling snow is thick,
if you are affectionate and love me,
I will hold your hand and go with you
you are so modest, you are so slow,
but oh, there is urgency!
…Are foxes only red and ravens only black?
…the north wind is cold, the falling snow is voluminous
If you love me and are affectionate
With the one I love and who likes me,
I will hold your hand and part with you
…I will hold your hand and go in your carriage
Episode 6
– caterpillar or silkworm?
– for me, the silk ceremony was elegant, colorful ceremony with so many beautiful costumes
–
Panicles would be most precious to the hungry, while the flower of the licorice is to the herbalist, as the cotton flower would be for the one in need of clothing.
–
The only reason for the Silk Cocoon Ceremony is to encourage the women of Joseon to wear clothes woven with Joseon silk.
Princess Hwawan showed a Qin silk instead from fron of the lord wives and courtladies.
– the archery scenes was great, beautiful sport event
– I love the white and pink petals from the bath
You wonโt believe how much time I spent watching that body in a wet robe (well, I donโt really wanna admit this). What I donโt understand is why the woman is in the bathtub with him.
Iโm really not drawn to his eyes, Mugy. Iโm drawn to that body in a wet robe. But again, I didnโt even care about the head tbh.
How can anyone focus on the face when there is water dripping down the chiselled abs? Had Deok Im traced her fingers along the lines of the ab, then it wpuld have been the hottest ever in a Kdrama scene.
I’ve watched JBL until ep8, I’m a little bit sad to say that while I found the show very engaging, I don’t think I’m in the right mind space to watch the show right now. It’s too depressing.
It can wait. This one is really a healing melo that will make you squee many times, not a “look they’re finally together and it’s a sunny day by the beach” during the last 30 minutes melo.
Sorry @mmmmm but I found so much to mock in Chocolate. JBL does have a FL with big round eyes. It also has a ML with gorgeous expressive eyes. Did you make it to the coat scene yet? He also has a big cozy coat to go with his soulful expressive eyes.
And about the eye thing, I found your respective opinion quite biased. While you described the FL’s eyes are “big, round” which are very objective words, you used words such as “gorgeous, soulful, and expressive” to describe the ML’s eyes. *This is my observation, Your Honor*
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 29, 2021 at 7:55 PM
The RED SLEEVE: Episodes 5 & 6 WALL HANGOUT THREAD
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 29, 2021 at 7:55 PM
@yongsital, @ladynightshade, @jorobertson, @kiara, @mrsz6, @missh, @marcusnyc20, @lindag, @hanie, @bbstl, @velvetstuff, @magajesj, @kurama, @wapzy, @neener, @susanf, @epyc2010, @emsel, @jillian, @eazal, @ramenqueen
If anyone would like to be added to this tagging list who is not on it, just let me know.
Notice: I will try and regularly post these Hangout Threads on MONDAYS NZST.
If not Mondays, then Tuesdays.
ramenqueen
November 30, 2021 at 5:57 PM
THOSE GIFS ARE GODSEND
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 1, 2021 at 3:39 AM
Please add me although I’m already far behind.
kiara
December 1, 2021 at 8:50 AM
I was wondering where you’ve been? Glad to see you back @ndlessjoie!
I feel like I’m far behind even though I’m almost done with episode 6. Watching sageuks for me is like a slow-burn romance. LOL.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 1, 2021 at 3:32 PM
I just haven’t had time. I’ll try to catch up over the next week.
emsel
December 1, 2021 at 9:52 AM
I thought I had the court maids dress code figured out, but then in the scene where the Wol Hye and other court maids pestered Lady Seo to bring back Deok Im, Wol Hye and few others were wearing pink. So, Sageuk expert and history nerd beanies, please tell me whether the below points correct are correct?
1) Till the coming of age ceremony (less than 18 years of age), all maids would wear a light rose colour dress and have their hair down in a single plait.
2) Then their dress colour would be light shade of green and their hair would be plaited and rolled at the nape of the neck.
3) When they get more experience, say 10 years, they get to wear dark green with their hair in a bun.
It is the first time I’m paying attention to details in a Sageuk, which means the drama is really good.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 1, 2021 at 3:04 PM
The pink at the end of Episode 6 on girls who are obviously official Court Ladies initially threw me as well, but then I noticed that along with her hair still being up ofc, there is a dark pink band underneath their armpits, and a dark pink collar, on both these pink uniform hanboks, and the pale jade green hanboks they normally wear, and the skirts are a darker blue also, in comparison to the pale rose and slightly lighter blue hanbok they wear as saenggaksi, before coming of age.
So I’m guessing that this version of gungnyeo dress is something they might wear for certain tasks/ jobs? As @kiara mentioned, different court ladies had different roles.
Pink generally meant in training, so potentially this is something they wear when they’re still in training for a specific role, despite having graduated out of saenggaksi, but I’m not sure if this holds up to the official court lady system.
I’ll do some more research later mayhaps.
Otherwise, you are pretty much correct on your points of attire for court ladies based on rank, yes.
To pull from The Talking Cupboard re the hairstyle though (which has some resources on historical dress):
The daenggi meori (๋๊ธฐ๋จธ๋ฆฌ) was the hairstyle young women wore before they were married, that is the simple long plait, tied with a normally red daenggi.
The Saeng meori (์๋จธ๋ฆฌ) is what the court ladies once graduated, wear- where the the plait is tied up with the daenggi, instead of being down.
“ The hair was parted into several parts and it was braided and folded. The number of parts depended on the departments in which the court ladies worked: jimil nain had four parts while chimbang and sukbang nain had their hair divided into two parts. The daenggi for this hairstyle depended on the number of parts too: negadak daenggi for the four-part (๋ค โ ne = four, ๊ฐ๋ฅ โ gadak = the part of hair) and dugadak daenggi for two-part ( ๋ โ du = two) saeng meori.”
Here is a good illustration by Glimja: https://www.deviantart.com/glimja/art/Saeang-meori-420908075
TheCheopji meori (์ฒฉ์ง๋จธ๋ฆฌ) is what the high ranking court ladies, and married royals wore- deriving its name from the cheopji, the type of ornament that sits on the top of their head. The cheopji indicates rank- the senior court ladies, the sanggung’s cheopji are small silver frogs. Their hair is secured in a bun using a binyeo the large, long hair pins that imo need to feature more use as hidden daggers ๐
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 13, 2021 at 12:30 AM
I meant this comment @peony but I guess you’ve seen it.
For whatever reason there are just two colours that their level.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 1, 2021 at 3:04 PM
Both the talking cupboard and glimja have more and interesting resources on Joseon fashion, dress, headwear and hairstyles. If I have time I might do a bit of a summary post on it all if people are interested? I know Kiara wants me to do one on the hanbok pffffft. I often notice these details, as I have said often to the point of being distracted, because I love costume and fashion, but I’m still learning myself and haven’t learnt all the terms yet. All the hairstyles and terms for different styles and ornaments alone gets complicated and I only gave you a little summary of the main hairstyles we see of court ladies here.
Peony
December 6, 2021 at 3:35 AM
Though I know some dramas take liberties with the color code, my impression was that there are about 5 colors. Dae Jang geum did an amazing job of portraying this. There, the flow went like this.
1. Pink for trainee maids
2. Teal for official junior maids
3. Darker pink for official Senior maids (in DJG, the maids of the same rank but of different departments had diff colors)
4. Light green dangui for junior Sangung/Nain
5. Dark green dangui for senior sangung.
So your question made me curious.
I looked closer (too bad can’t share screenshot here, if you want I’ll make a comparison post on my wall or smth), the corresponding colors in Red Sleeve are like this.
1. Pink trainee
2. Light green with Red neckline strip for official junior
3. Pink with red neckline strip for possibly official senior (this Pink is quite similar to the trainee one, hence the confusion)
4. I didn’t see any Light green dangui, this rank seems to be nonexistent
5. Jade for sangung.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 6, 2021 at 3:30 PM
I was sure the HCL’s dangui was definitely darker than the other seniors?
Peony
December 6, 2021 at 8:40 PM
Hah!? Was it? Dark and darker…. I didn’t notice but wouldn’t put it past the team because they made the confusing choice of making both the trainee and senior maid pink lol
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 6, 2021 at 9:41 PM
I thought it was! I will check next episode to make sure haha~
The collars are the tell for those aren’t they pfft 🙄
emsel
December 7, 2021 at 2:27 AM
I am not even having enough time in a day to complete my personal work and go through all the Red Sleeve discussions😂😂 so many comments to catch up on!
Peony
December 13, 2021 at 12:15 AM
Yeah we’re back at square 1 alright😂
I have never seen a uniform change like this happen in such short time periods in a Sageuk
DancingEmma
December 4, 2021 at 5:01 AM
Me!Me! Tx a bunch!
PinkyP
December 6, 2021 at 12:07 AM
Please add me. Thank you!
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 29, 2021 at 7:56 PM
My brain is not really working today so my notes will not be as thought out as I would like and in bullet points and Iโll probably miss stuff but whatever:
Fave Parts of 5:
– Secret Club!
– Stares
– Why are you wearing the outfit of a married woman!
– Sworn Allegiance to the Future King, with Tears, and Forbidden Attendance.
Fave Parts of 6:
– I actually only got round to watching episode 6 yesterday lol
– All of it it was my favourite episode so far, and no, not just cos of the infamous bath scene lol
– The Riddle Recap with San facepalming but complimenting Deok Mi anyway. (He said her name, le gasp pfft)
– The Silk Worm Room! Weโre at the end of the Joseon Dynasty comparatively, but the history of Silk is so Fascinating and I geeked out a little when I saw that.
– Iโm a sucker for sageuks that focus on traditional life, detail, ritual and ceremony, this show gives us a fair amount of it: The emphasis on festivals and ceremonies, and formality, and clothing changing to fit that. Aka I loved everything about the Silk Cocoon Ceremony.
– Including the Politics of it! The interconnectedness and alliances both big and small, and how everything had a price, how easily the King commanded his court, how they couldnโt argue back, Hwawanโs punishment, Deok Mi being imperative to it all working! Marvellous time, I had.
– But especially the emphasis on ceremonial clothing, from court lady, to nobility, to princess and ofc, the Queen. Lady Hye Gyungโs dark purple and olive green with terracotta and marroon accents had more class than Princess Hwawanโs expensive Qin garb in my opinion.
– Although I found it very convenient that Deok Miโs friend spoke about Princess Hwawan buying silk from Qin immediately after sheโd been given her task by the Queenโฆ Did we know that her friend was the daughter of a silk merchant prior to this? If we did it wouldโve worked better, but I at least didnโt. But itโs only a small nitpick and I donโt mind in the grand scheme of thing because I was enjoying the story too much haha.
– Speaking of the Politics behind this episode, @kiara, historically was the Queen in support of San, or not? I like her but I donโt know if sheโs friend or foe yet.
– I also liked Deok Ro beingโฆ well Deok Ro, and the introduction of his sister. I donโt know if I LIKE him but I enjoy him as a character.
– I loved the parallel between San saying โI trust her but I donโt think highly of her talentsโ vs Deok Ro saying โReally? I think highly of her talents, but do not trust herโ.
– San in Purple Shooting. XD
– San being like โi hope the queen doesn’t keep her permanently. Will I get her BACK?! Iโll get her BACK RIGHT? SHEโS CANโT STAY AFTER I JUST GOT OUT? THE INJUSTICE?โ
– โUnfortunately *grinning* the Queen is a higher rank than you~โ
– The court ladies physically dragging Deok Mi into the bathing room and locking her in there.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 29, 2021 at 7:56 PM
– San apparently has no qualms about being shirtless in front of any other court lady, but does in front of Deok Mi lmao.
– I donโt need to break down the Bath Scene, do I?
– Although honestly I was minorly distracted the whole time cos he said the Water was COLD! And she brought ONE BUCKET! And there was no STEAM. And he was just chilling in the cold bath? Adfghjkl or was he lying cos heโs precious like thatโฆ
ladynightshade wants to be gazed at by namgoong min
November 29, 2021 at 8:05 PM
Obsessed with how Sanโs hand moved to Deok-miโs waist. I keep replaying that entire sequence several times a day, and Iโm not ashamed to admit it.
ramenqueen
November 30, 2021 at 6:52 PM
The chemistry between them heated up the water. I had to fan myself because it was getting hot in here/there bahahah
dramalover4ever
November 29, 2021 at 8:02 PM
I’m going back to check out the colours of the ceremonial garb.
ramenqueen
November 30, 2021 at 6:53 PM
Same here. After reading this post I’ll pay closer attention to each outfit.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 30, 2021 at 6:58 PM
Join me in not paying attention to plot because she’s distracted by historical fashion.
ladynightshade wants to be gazed at by namgoong min
November 29, 2021 at 8:25 PM
The ceremony scene was fascinating. I admit to not knowing much about Joseon ceremonies, so thereโs probably a bunch of nuance I missed, but clothes worn by all the nobility and royalty looked gorgeous to me. The politics of power between the women present was portrayed so deftly that even I understood that what Princess Hwawan did was a grave offence. Although it did take me until the scene between the King and Queen to realize why her wearing Qin silk was a faux-pas.
But thatโs why I wanted to join this hangout thread in the first place! Iโm not very knowledgeable about Joseon-era culture and history beyond the very basics I picked up from watching sageuks. However, I always end up learning new things from beanie comments and discussion threads. Iโm loving the details in this drama and itโs clear that painstaking work was done to make the setting rich and immersive. And getting to learn about the historical details always adds to my enjoyment of a sageuk.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 9:24 AM
This is one of the many reasons I love sageuks. I’m always learning something new about Korea’s history and culture. It’s fascinating!
ladynightshade wants to be gazed at by namgoong min
November 30, 2021 at 2:32 PM
Oh absolutely! Thatโs the fun of watching sageuks. Iโm a huge history nerd in real life (currently majoring in South Asian history), so my love for sageuks are just an extension of that. The history of Korea is so complex and multifaceted; thereโs no way I wouldnโt get fascinated.
dramalover4ever
November 29, 2021 at 8:31 PM
In episode 5, I laughed aloud at the King’s Swordsman’s line,
“I feel a personal affinity to His Majesty today. He just made a clown of himself.”
I like how his character has a life of its own – his memory lapses, his having to take the blame for things, and his self-awareness.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 29, 2021 at 9:04 PM
(cc: @ladynightshade) Coming on day 6 of being sick, it’s hot and my brain is fried, so I’m probably just gonna ghost and let you guys enjoy this, but … yes.
dramalover4ever
November 29, 2021 at 9:07 PM
Take it easy sikki and thanks.
jillian
November 29, 2021 at 9:26 PM
Hope u feel better soon.
Thanks for this hangout thread!
ladynightshade wants to be gazed at by namgoong min
November 29, 2021 at 10:32 PM
Get well soon, @sicarius. Thank you so much for arranging this.
kiara
November 29, 2021 at 10:51 PM
Awww, sorry to hear that you are still sick.
I hope you’ll feel better soon.
ramenqueen
November 30, 2021 at 6:54 PM
I love that he forgot the 3rd order. Lol. I would be the same way. How can you remember everything w/o writing it down. It’s like being a waitress!
Kurama
November 29, 2021 at 9:08 PM
I was disapointed by the Queen scene in the silk ceremony. I was so ready to see her destroying the Princess Hwawan with her words but the scene was lacking. The Princess didn’t undestand what she did wrong and then we got the scene with the King.
I really like the scenes with the King. You never know how they will go, he’s in a good mood? Will he be angry? The CP and the King’s scenes are my favourite. I love the King’s glasses ๐
I’m still not convinced by LSY’s acting in the ingenuous parts of her character. I don’t know if the drama will have a time jump and it’s just her way to act the young Deok-Im. But she’s more natural in the quiet scenes.
I really like the friendship between the court ladies. I hope they will stay friends when they will know about Deok-Im and the CP.
The fall in the bath was pretty funny but the scene after was so beautiful. Why they always stop the episode at the best part? >_<
Where is San's wife?
jillian
November 29, 2021 at 9:25 PM
Re: San’s wife..
I do not think he has an official wife yet since he and his mother were talking about the right wife for him would be someone from an aristocratic lineage.
Kurama
November 29, 2021 at 9:29 PM
I thought they married when they were young. I mean in the History. I don’t know in this story.
kiara
November 29, 2021 at 10:46 PM
San was married when he was 10, and his wife was 9 years old (typical political arranged marriage). She is the current crown princess and future queen. She is in the background because this is Deok Im’s story, the woman that San loves and chooses to be his wife.
Kurama
November 29, 2021 at 11:26 PM
@kiara But is she in this story, they never mentionned her?
I understand the story is about Yi-San and Deok-Im’s story but the fact he already married is not really a detail. This drama is about real history. Mentionning her won’t make Yi-San and Deok-Im’s love story less beautiful.
jillian
November 29, 2021 at 11:53 PM
@kiara thanks for clearing that up. Despite it being Deok Im’s story, I have not heard it mention about a wife so I assumed there was none yet. I know Jeongjo has multiple wives so I expected the Crown Princess to be mentioned later on.
kiara
November 29, 2021 at 11:54 PM
@Kurama
I don’t know if she is going to make an appearance later or not.
It doesn’t matter to me if she is part of the show or not. They already have a lot to cover in 16 episodes.
OT
The actress playing Ji Woon’s mom in TKA played San’s queen in the 77 episodes sageuk YI SAN.
She fully supported Deok Im and San’s relationship because she didn’t have any children.
Kurama
November 30, 2021 at 12:46 AM
@kiara I found her history interesting honestly. She was married young and at the opposite of the King, she hasn’t the right to have male concubin ๐ So it’s nice she supported her husband and adopted his kids with other women to make them “official”.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 11:09 AM
@Kurama,
San’s queen and the current queen did not have any children of their own, but since they were the highest rank women in the inner court, all of the children of the concubines were considered theirs.
Princess Hwawan was way out of line. The queen is technically her mother, so I’m finding faults with King Yeongjo when it comes to spoiling his daughter and being extremely harsh on his son.
It’s good to see him kind of balance it out with San, but he is still harsh.
On the other hand, maybe San needs some hard lessons? He did knowingly disobeyed the king’s orders.
Like the king said to San, “one day you’ll sit on that throne, and then you’ll understand me.”
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 11:14 AM
@Kurama,
This drama is not just about real history. It’s a traditional fusion. The main source is taken from a novel. The author must have done her homework. The history and fiction are well balanced.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM
@jillian
You are correct in your assumption. They haven’t mentioned anything about his wife yet. I’m just going off with what I know about history.
There is a lot of history that they are not showing and it’s always in the back of my mind as background info.
dramalover4ever
November 29, 2021 at 9:43 PM
The King’s unpredictability keeps us all on edge. You never know if he’s going to wheel out another rice chest.
jillian
November 30, 2021 at 12:03 AM
Yeongjo is fascinating for me partly because of his unpredictability. He does keep everyone in his court on their toes. But mostly what boggles my mind is what it took to make that decision about his son.
I am watching another version of him in Haechi. Its like a crash course on Yeongjo for me right now.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 11:45 AM
He is and credit to Lee Deok-hwa for humanizing Yeongjo. I can feel the weight of the crown, and It’s rare to see him this vulnerable, especially when it comes to San.
In history, Yeongjo was a great king but not a great father, obviously from our perspectives.
His reign was relatively peaceful except for the Sato incident.
I do consider him as the people’s king. His mother was one of them, so I think deep inside, he saw his lowly mother in his people.
wapz
November 30, 2021 at 6:27 AM
Just like the palace maids, we know nothing about Yeongjo’s reactions. So uncertain. I keep waiting for his scenes, Lee Deok hwa’s experience is showing visibly here, he is amazing.
ramenqueen
November 30, 2021 at 6:58 PM
Omg @jorobertson I feel like I shouldn’t laugh bc it was a tragedy but this is so funny!! I feel the same way, is he going to have someone beheaded or just putting his glasses on ?
dramalover4ever
November 30, 2021 at 7:12 PM
LOL “Irascible” keeps coming to me. He is an irascible and difficult man. But he’s king. I laughed when he got the court to agree that San was not being confined.
kiara
November 29, 2021 at 10:46 PM
Princess Hwawan is a spoiled, entitled, disrespectful brat. She knows what she is doing, and as the king’s favorite, she gets away with a lot of crap.
The “young” queen (she’s younger than all of Concubine Jeong’s children) is always careful when to pick her battle.
The queen is young, so we’ll see what happens when daddy passes away.
Kurama
November 29, 2021 at 11:28 PM
Oh, I don’t like Princess Hwawan and it’s why I was expecting more from their confrontation. But the scene wasn’t really strong for me. The actress playing the Queen is really great by the way.
wapz
November 30, 2021 at 6:30 AM
Am I the only one who thinks these two resemble a bit? Lol. It took me two epsiodes to realize these are two separate people. Jang Hee Jin is doing wonderful as the Queen.
bbstl ๐งน
November 30, 2021 at 7:44 AM
The Queen is really wonderful! I suppose I have to also give credit to the actress playing Princess Hwawan, because I just want to smack her so bad 😡
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 12:13 PM
Agree; Jang Hee-jin perfectly plays this elegant queen. She is a sageuk veteran, so no surprise there.
I thought it was well done. The queen put Hwawan in her place in front of royal and influential women in the capital.
If any woman dares to disrespect the queen, this is what will happen to them.
Thanks to Hwawan, San will have the queen on his side.
wapz
November 30, 2021 at 6:41 AM
I have only seen LSY in The Best Hit and was not convinced by her there however, she’s better here imo but others are too good that they are overshadowing her completely, even the Queen, Jang Hee Jin.
Kurama
November 30, 2021 at 6:55 AM
I like her honestly. She was one of the best character in Korean Odysseus, she was great in Kairos and The Crowned Clown. But for this role, the bright side of her character looks a little bit forced or comical. But for the serious scene, like the bath, I like her.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 12:42 PM
I love her, I came for her.
I’m not sure if it’s the writing or Se-young or just me not getting it. There is a scene of her pulling Junho down into the water and the bath scene made me laugh but left me confused at the same time. Was she supposed to do that? LOL
The hand and cutesy acting is supposed to be conveying what? Joseon aegyo? I swear I’m the only one who doesn’t get it. LOL.
Help…
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 30, 2021 at 1:17 PM
I think there are a few places where the dialogue is a little off- either in delivery, or writing, or execution. So I can see how the comical scenes might seemed forced- for me it was a couple of scenes where she spoke to Deok Ro, that seemed far too casual and also awkward for the scene and the era. Like the dialogue just becomes super stunted and weird all of a sudden- the main time I can think of is when he pulled her out of the Court Lady’s area and asked her what she was to San.
But then there’s always a really good scene to follow it so I don’t mind- there were almost none of these awkward scenes in Ep 6 for me though. (In comparison to previous awkwardness, the scene with DI and DR on the bridge was class.)
That being said! @kiara– the pulling Junho down into the water scene was so very clearly meant to be over the top and ridiculous and comedy- she was meant to pull him down again and again, that was clearly what they were going for with that scene- I laughed but it was a bit too obviously staged so then I just laughed at that as well.
The bath…
I rewatched and I think it was supposed to be that she got shocked and overbalanced, which like, that could be fair, but the way they directed it and executed it … well, as has already been said, made it look like she just leapt into his arms for no reason hahaha.
jillian
November 29, 2021 at 9:22 PM
– I am on the fence with the Queen, I do not trust her tbh. But she appears to be the lesser evil when Princess Hwawan is so antagonistic towards her nephew.
– I feel bad for San as everyone is against him because of who his father was and what he has done in the past.
– I really like both episodes and love the outfits during the Silk Ceremony.
kiara
November 29, 2021 at 9:43 PM
Sic, thank you so much!
Like you, I pause a lot to read, so I haven’t finished watching episode 6 yet.
In short, San and the queen did get along until sometimes after he ascended the throne.
San later exiled her older brother Kim Gwi-ju, and their relationship went downhill from there.
Background:
The Sato incident split the Noron faction (King Yeongjo’s supporters) further into two parties.
The Byeokpa party was led by the queen’s family (the Kims), and the Sipa party was led by San’s maternal family (the Hongs). Both were each other’s enemies.
From wiki
“Yeongjo died on 22 April 1776, and Yi San ascended to the throne as the 22nd Joseon monarch (temple name: Jeongjo).
As widow of a king, she was honored as Queen Dowager Yesun. Hong Bong-han, Jeongjo’s maternal grandfather, and Jeong Hu-gyeom, Princess Hwawan’s adoptive son, protested this decision. Yesun’s older brother, Kim Gwi-ju, advised his sister to wait for the right moment, but Jeongjo acted first. He dismissed Hong Bong-han and Jeong Hu-gyeom from office. However, Jeongjo later exiled Kim Gwi-ju to Heuksan Island with the reason of disrespect towards the King’s mother, Lady Hyegyeong. Still, the real reason was because of Kim Gwi-ju’s involvement with Hong Bong-han’s dismissal during Yeongjo’s reign. This action has made unsaid tension and extreme confrontations between Yesun and Jeongjo.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Jeongsun
Comment:
The queen is not going to stand in San’s way. It doesn’t seem like the power struggles between the two families are going to be included. The queen’s brother and San’s maternal grandfather are not part of the show.
dramalover4ever
November 29, 2021 at 9:53 PM
So interesting, so the riddle is historical!
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 9:22 AM
Deok Im’s King Sejong (3 bells) riddle was hilarious. She thought that the queen couldn’t figure it out. San’s reaction had me in stitches, but then he called her Deok Im-ah, and my heart melted.
Eazal
November 30, 2021 at 1:21 PM
Same here. Deok Im thinking she was so witty and San’s wanting to punch her through that paper wall. Loved it.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 2:50 PM
Yes! The flower, and the deepest thing in the world were taken from history.
The king picked her himself just like San picked Deok Iโm to be his wife. I love the parallels.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 30, 2021 at 4:42 PM
I guessed that the heart was the answer to one of them, but I thought the three things were all the same riddle, so the heart was the answer to all of them (I mean it makes sense to me) haha.
dramalover4ever
November 30, 2021 at 5:08 PM
She was v much younger than him too!
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 5:32 PM
Sic, it does make sense :).
@dramaover4ever,
Is it safe to say that the king and San both fell for their concubine’s brain? LOL
Deok Im is said to be intelligent, so the Sejong riddle does not reflect her intelligence. Lol. I was a bit surprised that she didn’t come up with something clever. I mean, she is a bookworm and has access to the crown prince’s library.
dramalover4ever
November 30, 2021 at 5:45 PM
Women with the smarts. ❤
kiara
November 29, 2021 at 11:12 PM
Episode 5:
Made me laugh:
“Why are you wearing the outfit of a married woman!”
And hair up.
He thought that she slept with his grandfather. Ew
The gyeomsaseo’s sasaeng fans are scary. It’s a good thing Deok Im lied, or she would have been murdered. 😂
Zora
November 30, 2021 at 2:09 PM
😆 🤣 😂 That scene was hilarious!
wapz
November 30, 2021 at 6:36 AM
Thanks Sic, rest well!
I loved San running to Deok Im and then running away in embarrassment lol. Also Junho’s microexpressions when he realizes it was DI who heard his conversation with his mother. I also like that the drama shows us what happens in the palace (Silk Cocoon Festival, the lives of the court ladies etc) and is not only about San ascending the throne and his love story with Deok Im. Overall every episode is a standalone great one. LDH remains the scene stealer but LJH isn’t far off either.
dramalover4ever
November 30, 2021 at 5:09 PM
His face falls when he realises.
Eazal
November 30, 2021 at 1:24 PM
I’m with you on Deok Ro. Love the character and how it’s being played by the actor. I love shady and realistic characters because life is not black or white, and if San wants to become a king he needs Deok Ro by his side, or someone like Deok Ro and he knows it.
DancingEmma
December 4, 2021 at 5:09 AM
I am going to be a Debbie Downer and speculate that it would have been highly dangerous for young Court ladies to attend to male young and old royal family members having a bath by themselves because of how they were viewed: as the property of the monarch and hence the possibility of sexual assault would have been likely so while in isolation that scene had a comical touch, there was an important safety protocol that the others violated by forcing Deokim to go in by herself.
dramalover4ever
November 29, 2021 at 10:14 PM
The more I see this, the 🔥 🔥 🔥 it is.
Jezz
November 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM
My two interesting cameos for episode 6:
rising actress Park Seo-kyung
https://asianwiki.com/Park_Seo-Kyung_(2009)
she was played Hong Dan
– she previously starred as Shin Jin-A in both seasons of TV Chosun’s hit Love feat. Marriage & Divorce earlier this year
Jung Jong-woo
https://asianwiki.com/Jung_Jong-Woo_(actor)
he played as the royal palace guard
– he previously appeared on fellow sageuk Kdrama Secret Royal Inspector (KBS) as the captain
– OMG! He had mostly a lot of supporting Kdrama roles since 2016.
kiara
November 30, 2021 at 6:27 PM
I know this is probably not a huge deal but it makes me so happy for the cast and crew of RED SLEEVE.
โThe Red Sleeveโ And Its Stars Sweep Most Buzzworthy Drama And Actor Lists.”
The top 10 dramas that generated the most buzz in the fourth week of November are as follows:
1. MBCโs โThe Red Sleeveโ
2. KBS 2TVโs โThe Kingโs Affectionโ
3. tvNโs โHappinessโ
4. SBSโs โNow We Are Breaking Upโ
5. KBS 2TVโs โYoung Lady and Gentlemanโ
6. tvNโs โJirisanโ
7. JTBCโs โReflection of Youโ
8. KBS 2TVโs โSchool 2021โ
9. KBS 2TVโs โSecret Royal Inspector & Joyโ
10. tvNโs โMelancholiaโ
Meanwhile, the top 10 drama actors that generated the most buzz this week are as follows:
1. Lee Se Young (โThe Red Sleeveโ)
2. Lee Junho (โThe Red Sleeveโ)
3. Song Hye Kyo (โNow We Are Breaking Upโ)
4. Park Eun Bin (โThe Kingโs Affectionโ)
5. Ji Hyun Woo (โYoung Lady and Gentlemanโ)
6. Jang Ki Yong (โNow We Are Breaking Upโ)
7. Rowoon (โThe Kingโs Affectionโ)
8. Go Hyun Jung (โReflection of Youโ)
9. Han Hyo Joo (โHappinessโ)
10. Lee Se Hee (โYoung Lady and Gentlemanโ)
https://www.soompi.com/article/1501377wpp/the-red-sleeve-and-its-stars-sweep-most-buzzworthy-drama-and-actor-lists
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 30, 2021 at 7:00 PM
Yass, Korea, return to your trad sageuk roots.
Jezz
November 30, 2021 at 6:52 PM
My interesting parts of…
Episode 5
– dong – same deok – virtue (dong deok = same virtue)
– book called Dongguk Munheon Bigo – Compilation of Materials in Korea
– another book Book of the Odes
there’s an ode inside:
Episode 6
– caterpillar or silkworm?
– for me, the silk ceremony was elegant, colorful ceremony with so many beautiful costumes
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Princess Hwawan showed a Qin silk instead from fron of the lord wives and courtladies.
– the archery scenes was great, beautiful sport event
– I love the white and pink petals from the bath
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
November 30, 2021 at 7:03 PM
Oh my gosh yes, I forgot about the Poetry reading. That was lovely too, and how she hesitated over the words “love”, and he did not.
I mean, Silkworm are just the larvae of the Silk Moth, so I guess technically they’re both caterpillars and silkworms hahaha
dramalover4ever
November 30, 2021 at 7:14 PM
The poetry was beautiful
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 1, 2021 at 3:44 AM
Do you see these 👁👁 @mmmmm?
mmmmm
December 1, 2021 at 7:00 AM
You wonโt believe how much time I spent watching that body in a wet robe (well, I donโt really wanna admit this). What I donโt understand is why the woman is in the bathtub with him.
Iโm really not drawn to his eyes, Mugy. Iโm drawn to that body in a wet robe. But again, I didnโt even care about the head tbh.
I still think Iโm immune to him.
emsel
December 1, 2021 at 9:39 AM
😂😂😂 @mmmmm are you me? I did the same. Body > Head, but then I am not a fangirl of Junho, though I like his acting here
mmmmm
December 1, 2021 at 10:01 AM
🤣 Iโm not his fan (yet?), and I havenโt seen any of his work including this one. Iโve heard praises about this show tho.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 1, 2021 at 3:30 PM
If you can enjoy Chocolate a sageuk should be easy. 😜
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 1, 2021 at 4:13 PM
She’s probably still scarred from the last sageuk Mugy ๐
mmmmm
December 1, 2021 at 8:10 PM
*eyerolls for both comments*
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 1, 2021 at 3:28 PM
Have you decided to join @mmmmm in torturing @eazal and me?
mmmmm
December 1, 2021 at 8:10 PM
Emsel the Chingu!
emsel
December 7, 2021 at 2:38 AM
How can anyone focus on the face when there is water dripping down the chiselled abs? Had Deok Im traced her fingers along the lines of the ab, then it wpuld have been the hottest ever in a Kdrama scene.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 1, 2021 at 3:35 PM
First it’s the body in the robe, then it’s his character in Just Between Lovers, and then it’s the 👁👁. 😆
mmmmm
December 7, 2021 at 9:50 AM
I’ve watched JBL until ep8, I’m a little bit sad to say that while I found the show very engaging, I don’t think I’m in the right mind space to watch the show right now. It’s too depressing.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
December 7, 2021 at 2:21 PM
*this is why I put it off for like two years myself, also haha* *had to be in the mood for a melo* *lol* ended up loving it though. Hwaiting!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 7, 2021 at 4:31 PM
It can wait. This one is really a healing melo that will make you squee many times, not a “look they’re finally together and it’s a sunny day by the beach” during the last 30 minutes melo.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 7, 2021 at 4:34 PM
Perhaps it doesn’t have a high enough body count per episode? (I will never forget Chocolate, for all the wrong reasons 😆.)
mmmmm
December 8, 2021 at 10:04 AM
Yes, dramas should be watched when Iโm in the right mood, or it wonโt be loved as much as it should be.
But what I found the most endearing about JBL until ep8 is the FLโs eyes. She has two big round eyes which are so expressive and lovely.
Why are you mocking Chocolate? 😡 It has lovely cooking scenes by Chef Cha-yong and lovely osts and its setting is a hospice!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 8, 2021 at 11:41 PM
Sorry @mmmmm but I found so much to mock in Chocolate. JBL does have a FL with big round eyes. It also has a ML with gorgeous expressive eyes. Did you make it to the coat scene yet? He also has a big cozy coat to go with his soulful expressive eyes.
mmmmm
December 9, 2021 at 7:45 AM
@ndlessjoie *eyerolls* I LOVE Chocolate!
And about the eye thing, I found your respective opinion quite biased. While you described the FL’s eyes are “big, round” which are very objective words, you used words such as “gorgeous, soulful, and expressive” to describe the ML’s eyes. *This is my observation, Your Honor*
mugyuljoie is preciousss
December 10, 2021 at 3:18 PM
Me? Biased regarding Junho. 😆 I’ve kept my rooftop apartment just so he’ll stop by and read from time to time.