Beanie level: Errand boy

Can’t decide if Flower of Evil is reverse-psychology-ing us or is reverse-reverse-psychology-ing us. My guess is the first.

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You know, he seems like a bit of a psychopath (or whatever the correct clinical diagnosis is, since I know DSM doesn’t use the term ‘psychopath’), but Hee-sung doesn’t seem like a horrible person, if that makes sense. It seems like he’s been misunderstood and mistreated a lot. The confinement of Moo-jin seems pretty bad superficially, but I feel like there’s probably a good explanation. He seems like the type of person who could be bad but isn’t (in this sense, he kind of seems like KMY from IOTNBO as far as I can tell). Here’s hoping I’m right and he’s not a baddie.

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    The generic term is “psychopath”, but the clinical address in the DSM for it is one type of antisocial personality disorder”. It’s the same thing that Moon Young, from IOTNBO has, but she’s the other type of antisocial personality disorder, the “sociopath” type.

    Psychopath vs. Sociopath
    >>> Sociopath:
    – Make it clear they do not care how others feels
    – Behave in hot-headed and impulsive ways
    – Prone to fits of anger and rage
    – Recognize what they are doing but rationalize their behavior
    – Cannot maintain a regular work and family life
    – Can form emotional attachments, but it is difficult

    >>> Psychopath:
    – Fail to recognize other people’s distress
    – Have relationships that are shallow and fake
    – Maintain a normal life as a cover for criminal activity
    – Fail to form genuine emotional attachments
    – May love people in their own way

    (Source: https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-sociopath-380184)

    Hee Sung is definitely a psychopath

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      The DSM is a majority of what’s learned in “Psychology 101”, which I took, for universities in Canada 🇨🇦
      😁😁😁

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      I think he’s definitely more a sociopath than a psychopath, but so far I’m not entirely sure. There are times where he does seem to pick up, naturally, on Eun-ha and Ji-won’s emotions, and, although there’s a lot of deception in their relationships, I’m not sure the relationships are emotionally shallow/disingenuous or are a cover for criminal activity. So far, I’m split between whether he actually loves them or is just using them; we also don’t have any firm corroboration about whether he’s a murderer or not (although yeah, he’s definitely kidnapped somebody, which is, you know, criminal).

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I’m confused. Why did Hee-sung throw away the doll? Was this before or after Ji-won expressed disappointment and anger over the way he dealt with the situation? Was this just his way of mollifying Eun-ha and part of a broader effort at maintaining the patina of being a good father in front of Ji-won? That stuff he told Eun-ha about reputation was a bit creepy and totally not what you should tell a child (because, implicit in the comment, is anticipation of future wrongdoing).

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Blonde-haired LJG is amazing. *chef’s kiss*
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    Conversely, black-haired LJG as Hee-sung practicing how to appear happy in front of a mirror while his wife is dream about the first time they met is creepy AF

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      This may seem like an odd question, but if Hee-sung is really a psychopath, then I wonder if he gets tired of dissimulating all the time. For a normal person, pretending to be somebody you’re not all the time, to the point of forcing yourself to form the right facial expressions or make the right gestures in response to others, would be enervating.

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    I hate it though. Sorry. 😅

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      That’s okay! Different tastes, that’s all. LJG could have hideous highlighter pink or green hair and I’d still find him hot.

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Finished the first episode of Flower of Evil. I\’m intrigued, but not fully invested. Am I the only one who desperately (when I say desperately, I mean desperately) wants Hee-song/Hyun-soo to not be totally evil, to be framed or something else like that? See his life with Eun-ha and Ji-won, as well as how much Ji-won seems to genuinely love, I feel like I would be very sad if it was all a charade (or worse, if he did actually love her but also turned out to be as evil as the teasers for this show have intimated). Also, I love LJG, so like it will be weird to find a serial killer attractive (by weird, I mean abhorrent and disturbing).

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    totally evil?
    He is not at all evil..

    the show is a damper actually, given i thought we would get a grey character.. but he is clearly the misunderstood heart of gold

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    Don’t worry, HS’s not a serial killer. He’s not nice – like, he DOES keep someone for days in a secret dungeon -, but at least for my moral compass – which is admittedly askew when it comes to dramas -, it’s ok to find him hot

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      “…which is admittedly askew when it comes to dramas.. “, you nailed it!!!

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      Ha! I think your comment finally persuaded me to give this drama a shot.

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I just started watching Flower of Evil. I\’m at the scene with the birthday cake. I saw the numbers were \”3\” and \”9\”, and my jaw immediately dropped with incredulity. Why? Because I thought it was ridiculous to say Hee-sung is 38 (International Years) when he looks like he\’s 24. So what did I do? I went and checked LJG\’s wikipedia bio. Imagine my suprise when wikipedia told me he was born in 1982!

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    That man is a vampire I am sure of it.

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    Taking care of your skin and visuals is definitely important in South Korea.
    But I saw him on a great ep of knowing Brothers and not only does he obviously stay in shape he seems like a very happy person. I’m sure it all helps keep him looking and feeling young.

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      I saw that episode too! He has a great sense of humour and a generally cheerful disposition (although it’s hard to say whether he’s always like this; I know some people who are usually very upbeat and happy-go-lucky, while also being prone to intense bouts of depression). He’s also in amazing shape.

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      The moon lover special running man episode was even more hilarious 😂

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    I totally noticed that too, I was making my happy dance, like “age-appropriate crush, yessss”

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      He’s significantly older than me, so I guess he’s technically not an age-appropriate crush for me. But man oh man is he hawt.

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    Everybody knows LJK and Jang Nara are vampires. He did a whole drama just to make a joke of this.

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    Honestly, that man never seems to age. Very handsome!

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Heechul\’s nephew looks a bit like the actor who plays Woo-joo in Hospital Playlist.

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It has its problems (the entire ordeal with Do Hui-jae was unnecessary and felt contrived; the air of mystery surrounding the backstory turned out to be way less intriguing than I thought it would be, perhaps because the last little bit was handled in such a hammy way; by the end of the show, I felt like ST didn\’t have autism and MY didn\’t have ASPD; etc.), but, overall, IOTNBO is a pretty good drama. Will I watch it again? No, probably not, but that\’s okay. It was a fun ride. Additionally, I\’m glad it introduced me to SYJ and KSH (well, I watched a bit of The Producers, but not enough to really get a handle of KSH). I like both of them and will watch future stuff of theirs, as well as take a look at their past work (I\’m especially interested in Lawless Lawyer, which also features LJG!).

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    I also watched Real and KSH was good in that, but that movie was so weird and mediocre that I didn’t think to watch anything else by KSH after watching it.

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      Real had real issues in the directing part honestly. It’s unfortunate you saw that instead of his two other films which are more decent to watch.

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    I didn’t think Lawless Lawyer was the best drama but I’d still recommend for both LJG and SYJ! Another SYJ drama that’s really good is Save Me. The plot/scenes get freaky at times but it’s very well produced and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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    “by the end of the show, I felt like ST didn’t have autism and MY didn\’t have ASPD” ugh really? I dropped the show mid way but I just thought I’ll pick it back up to see where they went with ASPD and autism. So did it become love and attention cures all?

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      I think that’s sort of what happened with MY (like by the end, she just seemed like a person who’s a bit self-centered/amoral but otherwise pretty normal; she no longer seemed like a person with a personal disorder). As for ST, I just think his general social awareness and adaptability by the end belied any superficial mannerisms suggesting autism (this may just be my own view, having seen lots and lots of autistic children over the years as a result of visiting my mom’s classes on days off as a volunteer).

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        I thought MY would be a bigger issue for me till I read a letter Kiara linked in one of the recaps to someone with ASPD who is able to love and have a more normal life after he sought help, and that made my initial misgivings at where they were gonna take MY’s ASPD or whatever it was, not as strong, and made the happy ending more believable.
        I also just stopped focusing on that aspect after the half way mark almost entirely (perhaps because the show also did idk?)

        I don’t know enough about Autism to know if ST’s development was realistic, but I did personally enjoy it, or rather I enjoyed him overcoming his trauma and helping others and thought that was done really well, and that all the characters did GROW from where they were in the beginning.
        Both Autism and ASPD are spectrums at least anyway.

        But at the same time, I did wish, and kinda still do, now that you’ve bought it up, that it addressed some of the mental health issues a bit more directly.
        Did it just use them as a gimmick or did it not. That was a big concern of mine at the beginning, but now… I am either undecided, or the last 6 episodes didn’t induce in me enough investment to care anymore.

        (I’m beginning to think I should’ve mentioned this in my review haha- I was going to. )

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    Lawless Lawyer is good! I love the pace (ahem)! And the corporation of the leads! The plot between the villains got a bit boring and it was a little tough to continue, nonetheless, still a decent work!

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    LL was fun, but kinda lost steam in the second half (a bit like It’s OK actually haha). It’s watchable though. Plus SYJ and LJG lol.

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I\’m constantly surprised by how glitchy Kocowa\’s UI is. It\’s ridiculous.

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Forward, proactive KT (and, by extension, KSH) is hot.

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I love this. Baekhyun has such a euphonious voice. As a bonus, the comments suggest this came out on Mark’s birthday!

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    Can’t wait for another jopping bop next week!

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      SAME!

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      I still lose my breath when I hear Baekhyun’s amazing high note at the end of this song (especially the last little bit which starts at 3:06 – 3:07). Putting aside his absolute loveliness as an individual, his great sense of humour, and his winsome appearance (NB: I’ve never understood the people who disparage his appearance), his voice alone makes it so worthwhile to support and cheer for him.

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        One of the reasons why I LOVE UN village as a title track is because it highlights most of his vocal aspects. It’s just mind boggling how gifted he is regarding vocal, visual, personality and whatnot. Ughh… Our beagle is the best!

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        Also Kai’s soft voice *melts into a puddle*

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The parallelism in episode 15 IONTBO is lovely.

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I\’m very tempted to do the book challenge, but (1) I don\’t know where all the prompts are, (2) my taste in books might be considered boring, and (3) I don\’t know how fellow Beanies post the book covers interspersed between blocks of text.

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    regarding 3)
    I am assuming most of them wrote the reviews in a WORD/DOC file and wrapped the text around the image.

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    I used HTML for the pics, and this cite has been super helpful in learning how to do it.

    The original challenge was posted on @isthatacorner‘s wall a few days ago, so you can find it there. You should do it! I like seeing all the different tastes that beanies have, and it’s a good way to add to my already-too-long list of books to check out.

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    Do it, it’s fun! I like seeing the different things everyone reads (or the same things in some cases). I’m mostly just posting short things because I’m too lazy to cut and paste lol

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    About concern #2, don’t worry about that. I’m sure beanies won’t mind. I think my book entries are weird but I post them anyway 😂

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How many times has KT\’s hands been injured in this show? It\’s a wonder they continues to function without significant problems.

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    Those are KHS’s hands, the prettiest and the most gifted hands with the power of Deadpool level self-healing.

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      But Deadpool’s hands are gross and I think the gross-ness of Deadpool’s hands are a consequence of his regeneration powers!

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    Exactly!

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    Of all the call backs, I hate that the most. 😤 Worst, he was hurt by a sign pen which has uneven blade/point so hurts worse than the first one. 😤😵

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The entire encounter with Do Hui-jae at the cursed castle is hammy and out of place.

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    Darn right. It felt so rushed and insignificant.

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    You are right, I was so bored during those first 10 minutes.
    Totally needless.
    And I won’t even talk about how nothing has been explained about how she survived and how she looks 20 years younger her age.

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      DON’T YOU KNOW THAT PLASTIC SURGERY CAN DO WONDERS?!

      Honestly, it’s ridiculous that her face was so completely transformed that her daughter and her husband could not recognize her at all. And what about her voice or her mannerisms? Are you telling me her dissembling was so complete that there were absolutely no traces left of her personality while she was working? Granted, we can chalk some of the professor’s lack of awareness to his medical condition, but what explains MY’s complete failure to pick up on any indication of similarity? I doubt she forgot what her mother’s voice sounds like, given that her mom is a frequent of MY’s dreams. I doubt it’s aleatory. Inattention, perhaps? That’s the best explanation I can come up with.

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    Other than showcasing ST’s knight-in-shining-armor moment, I don’t see its point.

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Although he\’s not that much younger than me, Yeo Jin-goo reminds me of such a baby on House on Wheels.

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I just watched this episode LOL. \”Do you like babies?\” Omo omo omo, he only got away with saying this because, well, he\’s him. https://www.soompi.com/article/1416651wpp/shin-sung-rok-reveals-the-unusually-forward-way-he-asked-his-wife-out-the-day-they-met

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    Hahaha. Exactly and also because she is her. His wife is so pretty. The comments on the article are funny, so many didn’t know he’s married but the comment that made me lol most was the one that thought he’ll be with Jang Nara 🤣🤣😅. Which reminds me, I still want a JN-SSR drama reunion.

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      I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of his wife. I’m in the group who didn’t he was married!

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        Hehe. Probably because he’s not really popular and his wife is a non-celeb. He didn’t hide his marriage, he announced it and released prewedding photos before the wedding took place in 2016. Even his wedding photos were released to public. The photos on the article are his prewedding photos.

        Wedding photo~ pretttttttyyy 🏝

        He did share his family photos on instagram but deleted them, most likely for privacy, but the images are available on the internet 😅.

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          She’s really pretty! Although, umm, am I the only one who wonders about her weight? Her arms look like there’s no flesh between her bones and skin, not to mention her very prominent collarbone. Of course, she could just be naturally skinny (some people are). I hope she’s healthy whatever the case is.

          I feel like Shin Sung-rok is quite popular. Am I wrong about that?

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    He’s married?!

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    😂 that’s awesome.

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I\’m just imagining Ik-joon and Woo-joo and crying with delight and good wishes for them. https://www.soompi.com/article/1417413wpp/gummy-and-jo-jung-suk-welcome-their-first-child

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Park-Jang\’s LOL is a real gem.

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I can never decide on how I feel about Lee Seung-gi. On the one hand, he\’s smart, funny, and good-looking. On the other hand, he has this weird vibe about him, whereby it always seems like he\’s overprepared as well as a bit distant. In a word, he reminds me of a model schoolboy or an admired senpai/sunbae, and I don\’t know how I feel about that.

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    He’s too perfect that he may seem intimating and untouchable at times. <3

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      I always find him aloof for some reason. Perhaps it’s inexplicable, but that’s my perception of him. I would never describe him as a person I find cute, adorable, warm, loving, etc., notwithstanding that I think he’s charismatic, well-mannered, and socially well-adjusted.

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        When he was younger (pre-enlistment) he seems pretty cute and adorable. Now, he’s much more composed. 😀

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    (Disclaimer, I’m a fan 😄) I can definitely see the model student thing. He strikes me as the kind of person who wants to be the best at everything and is annoyed when they are not (but he can’t show it because his professional persona is super nice guy).

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      It’s not a horrible trait to be honest. It’s actually a pretty good trait! It’s just a trait that ordinarily makes me anxious in real life when I notice it in other people, especially if they’re people with whom I have to work or interact frequently.

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        I find it depends on the person – some overachievers I’ve worked with always feel like they’re judging you for not taking things as intensely as they are, and others are just as overachieve-y but manage to be also nice to be around 🤷‍♀️

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    What brought this musing? 😅

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    His tv persona just generally feels very carefully crafted and polished and well composed to me. Maybe thats why he feels distant, because i feel like hes very controlled and hes only showing you what he wants you to see. Its very “clean”.

    I dont blame him, considering everything, and i think it actually works very well for being a variety show host.

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    Saw him first in 2D1N. I loved the show’s 3rd season so watched the 1st season too. Loved him as the maknae member of the show. He was great in the show it too. But when I decided to watch Gumiho I just couldn’t take his acting seriously. Later on, I completed Hwayugi and found him to be a perfect match for the eccentric role. Liked the drama. Then vagabond happened and I am meh about actor Seung Gi once again -_-

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      I haven’t watched any of his dramas! I’m only really familiar with his variety work.

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        You should watch some! They’re mostly ok rather than great – I actually really like my girlfriend is a gumiho, it’s very cute (if old, the styling is …interesting) .

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          I really tried my best to watch gumiho. But his acting was just not…. *Smh* oh I forgot I watched and liked king2heart. It was a decent watch. This just made me realize LSG really performs well when the role is cocky/mischievous/arrogant.

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            If you didn’t like Gumiho you’d definitely not like Shining Inheritance (/Brilliant Legacy) 😄 I’m watching it with my sister now and ….he’s improved since back then 😂 I haven’t seen King2hearts yet but I have heard that it’s decent.

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        It was tough for me to watch him as an actor after all the ‘Seungiiiyyyaaaa’ screams from Kang Ho Dong and all his sloppiness from 2D1N

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        His acting is very different from his tv persona! he feels a lot more human and intense. Ive seen all of his shows, but would only recommend the king 2 hearts (in which he became really outstandingly good in my opinion though i understand it may not be everyones cup of tea), because while i think lee seunggi just gets better every year, the dramas he picks… do not.

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      Funny that he matches well with his Hwayugi’s errant, misbehaving character

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