BRIDGERTON: All right, this may have already been discussed here but, any Beanies here that have read the books AND watched the series? I NEED to discuss about several elements that I think were in there because they didn’t anticipate the other seaons (so fast, maybe). I don’t think it’s horrible, I’m just curious to know how they’ll compensate for it in the next seasons.

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    Hi. I read books 2, 3 and 5 and I’ve watched vloggers reacting to the show episode by episode so I know almost all of what happens. Even I am curious how they are going to incorporate the books

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    I skimmed book 1 after watching (they really handled some stuff worse in the book, and it still wasn’t great in the adaptation) but still have a lot of thoughts. I have read books 2 and 3, and am waiting for some of the others to become available. I have some thoughts on how they may proceed, but would love to hear others’ thoughts too. (I don’t mind spoilers for other books.)

    Also, The Viscount Who Loved Me is my new favorite ridiculous book and I cannot wait to see how they recreate some of this delightful nonsense. And I mean this in the least condescending and sarcastic way possible – I very much enjoyed this book but one cannot deny that it is also somewhat ridiculous.

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      BE WARNED! you said you’re fine with spoilers from the other books, so I have a couple here at the bottom! It is most definitely ridiculous and yet, so addictive! My justification (not that you need one) to read them at the time (more than a decade ago) was to improve my vocabulary! Sometimes it helps to have ESL, haha. Also, I’ve just noted the stuff I was grumpy about but I’d LOVE to discuss the books if you’d like!

      My two main gripes about the show were a) where Marina (who is not a character in the books at all) goes off with and it is implied that she will marry Sir Phillip Crane – who is supposed to be Eloise’s love interest/end game in her book! b) YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FIND OUT WHO LADY WHISTLEDOWN IS UNTIL HER BOOK! But I guess as long as only the audience aware and not the characters in the universe, it’s ok *grumble grumble*

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        OK so I saw the Marina thing on twitter and I have issues with it for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with Phillip Crane being Eloise’s love interest. First, the optics of the whole Phillip-Eloise romance after they completely bungled Marina’s story are so bad for a number of reasons, but the most significant of which is that they are basically killing off the Black cousin who had a baby under questionable circumstances and after screwing with her for a whole season. I know that Phillip has kids in the books, and while I’m not sure whether they are his or not, and I don’t really care, BUT if the show continues down this path, it’s not great. Unless they have a long term plan, but it felt shoehorned in and I’m not happy about it. (Granted, I think the entire Marina story was a hot mess for a number of reasons, the aforementioned optics of it being a part of that.)

        As for the Whistledown thing, I don’t really care that they revealed it this early, because I think it will make the upcoming seasons more interesting if we know who it is. Because TV is a visual medium, there’s a lot they can do to set up the reveal in the coming seasons if the audience is aware of her identity. I often think about how Gossip Girl just pulled GG’s identity out of its ass at the end of the series and it how it made no sense whatsoever. Here, even though we eventually know from the books that Penelope is Whistledown, if we see it in the next season and we see how it effects her relationship with the Bridgertons, it makes for more interesting television. In the books we don’t need these visual stimuli because the points of view in the text are focused only on the main characters and everyone else is secondary. But TV allows multiple POVs and it means you need more to build on. So having Penelope hide her identity is something that could help flesh out the storytelling.

        My biggest issue with the whole season was how they handled Daphane literally assaulting her husband and forcing a choice on him that was not hers to do. Just because the gender roles were reversed from the usual way we see sexual assaults, does not make it less heinous. I think the book was even worse and there was no reckoning for Daphne, but the show let her off the hook pretty easily as well. And I get that a lot of it is her lack of sex education and that Simon was deliberately misleading her, but forcing him to have a child he did not want is wrong on so many levels. And I totally think his reasons for not wanting a child, while valid, are incredibly stupid. But the book did these mental gymnastics where he is basically gaslit into thinking he was wrong, whereas at least the show at least got him to get to the rational end and had him deal with his trauma to a degree. The book set up the trauma but then just brushed it under the rug because of twoo wuv, which, uh, no.

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          I LOVE your thoughts. On one hand, including diversity in the series and admitting it as part of the script that it’s only because the king decided to marry a non-Caucasian that they have the status they do and showing a society that unbias-ly accepts the diversity was great but on the other hand, it’s what you said about Marina!

          I see what you mean about Penelope. I guess I just never got past my “WTF, you’re not supposed to know that” reaction to consider the narrative of the show and not just the books (or the audiences that have never read the books)

          Daphane’s actions are by no means excusable. There weren’t in the book, and they aren’t in the series. The show made it not as awful as the books, I agree. I don’t know (as I am not a writer of any kind) if it would’ve been possible to convey the same story elements without showing the assault or how Siamon’s trauma was handled – BUT THAT’S WHY THEY’RE THE WRITERS AND TAKE CREATIVE LICENSES. You’d think they’d be able to come up with something to keep the integrity of the story WITHOUT keeping it problematic, but alas.

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            I think the series would have been stronger if they had not shoehorned in a reason for the diversity – just let the show exist in an alternate reality. It was already asking us to suspend belief for so many other things. It still doesn’t change the optics on Marina – that’s something which would not change regardless of race explanations because it’s connected to our real world – but it would then make Simon’s story stronger, because it wouldn’t be connected to race at all, and be focused purely on the trauma and parent-child relationship.

            I too have wracked my brains to figure out how to tell the story without actually resorting to assault – I thought that maybe Daphne could just confront Simon, but that wouldn’t have the same impact if there isn’t a pregnancy possibility. But like you said – the writers are allowed to take creative licenses. I mean, at least they didn’t gaslight Simon, but like the book I did find the ending a bit sudden and thought that things could have been explored a bit more. Though I guess people aren’t watching/reading romance for it’s exploration of trauma.

            I do have to ask – how is Eloise’s book? Of all the ones, it’s the one which has the least appealing story (from the blurb) but also has one of the most appealing characters. Though in the books, Hyacinth may actually be my favorite sister so far – she’s so sassy. Also, Book Colin is far superior to TV Colin, and they need to fix this next season. I think having him involved in the Marina story messed with his character and made him more annoyingly noble and less rakish, which is a pity. I get that it also puts him and Penelope together, which was needed for TV story purposes, but it didn’t quite work like they wanted it to, I think.

            TV Benedict is way more interesting than Book Benedict, but I don’t actually dislike the latter. I think Book Benedict comes off as a bit more arrogant but it works for his story, and that can easily be adapted to TV.

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        ALL THAT SAID, I absolutely adore the ridiculousness of the second book and sincerely hope they stick to it closely, because oh my God Anthony is the most ridiculous person ever and I love it. I cannot with his whole “I won’t love my wife” thing and then he’s all “Yes, I’ll totally marry the woman I can’t stop thinking about and lusting after but won’t love her“. Like, honey, no, that’s not how feelings work.

        But also I love Kate because she is exactly the kind of woman Anthony needs. I can’t wait to see Kate kick Anthony’s ass both figuratively and literally in the game. Also, I need to see the whole Pell Mell incident played out in full because it was glorious.

        We will not speak of the ridiculousness that is the bee sting, because it is so silly and yet one of my favorite absurdities ever committed to paper, and I love it.

        I haven’t read past Benedict’s book yet, but I liked his book, but they could probably have it and another book overlap because I don’t think it would fill 8-10 episodes well. Also, I think they could do some interesting things if they flesh out the class and social commentary from that book. But it’s also literally just Cinderella, Bridgerton style.

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    I have skimmed through all books and the series as well. The whole thing (books and show ) is ridiculously enjoyable. It was meant for not taking seriously and thats what I did.

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    @spicykimchi I have read the entire series as they were released (she was a local author back then) and I am always happy to discuss- to the extent that I remember them!

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      Local author? That’s so cool! I’m definitely down to discuss the books!! Hah my recollection is a bit dusty as well because I read them a while ago

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