Yes and no 🙂
Yes in so far as the main protagonist falls in love without first realizing it…
—- and no, because there are no bad intentions on his side. He is not playing with the feelings of others, he has just shut himself emotionally, … not getting attached to someone / being in an adult relationship – on top of the physical one – means that nobody can make you suffer… letting go of the barriers one has erected not to suffer (fear of abandonment) requires a lot of courage and trust …
Watched it not too long ago …
(Also, I am French and cruel intentions is adapted from the French novel by Pierte Choderlos de Laclos (les Liaisons dangereuses), 18th century… love doesn’t change 😉
I enjoyed it 🙂
I found it very well / smartly / subtly written and filmed. Found Sk really good in it, Hsh too – even if their characters were obviously not the most “lovable”, relatable for the majority of viewers … Loved the OST too.
It is clearly not politically/socially correct, in the sense that it is very far from the type of love favored in kdramas: a very sweet and comforting type of love (the friendship / after-I-get-to-know-you type), which is the reason why I can understand that some hate it… but their love obviously stems from physical attraction and compatibility 😉 their meeting at night and not sharing social activities … and I liked that the drama was not judging or trying to over-explain / justify / condemn…
“Nevertheless” seems to be often criticized, but I think it’s because people don’t realize / never experienced the nature of their primary attraction and the love their share … being attracted like a butterfly toward a flame … it may not be good for you, and you know it, but reason takes no part in it … you don’t always fall in love by getting to know someone and sharing happy moments with someone …
I get that , that’s why I don’t hate Jae eun or blame nabi for her choice but I still can get angry at discarding the source material and how anger infusing watching it was
That was the interesting thing with this drama for me… how daring to show you something like that…
even if I liked the ending in the original webtoon because it is very comforting in a way… the good guy wins… and the apparently bad one (deeply wounded) keeps his bad ways…
I nevertheless hope that the essence of kdramas in general will remain, and that Netflix will not spoil everything …, which they clearly did here 😉
(because most kdramas are reassuring and comforting)
Yes it was interesting , I never read the webtoon but I learned how it ends.
I wouldn’t mind it if we were shown that she stayed away from him , got counseling then met him again after she became more successful and mature , like if a year or two passed and she was doing her studies abroad.
Then I think the two would need counseling 😉
But I’m not sure counseling does any good in the end …;)
I think that we have set paths and experiences we have to learn from, and as long as we are not able/ willing to take our responsibilities, and learn from it, without victimizing ourselves, because ultimately we have free will, and we need to acknowledge it, the path and choice will present again and again… I don’t believe in chance meeting either,
Those two may probably not end up together anyway, except if they are able to put more substance in their relationship, but for sk character, the relationship may enable him to be more human, letting go of his armour, when it may enable Hsh to be less needy and depending on someone else for her happiness … that’s my take on this…:)
Yes they both needs it , and I’m afraid they both need it for the same purpose , to each love her/himself since both feels abandoned at some point of their lives but each copped differently.
And yes they have to go through life and experience lots of things to grow up ,take responsibility and learn from it but for some reason they seemed that they need professional help to me , just saying.
I might be wrong and you might be right , who knows 😉
Ps. For me, the ending was also what I liked in Nevertheless, the way I understood it :
Both growing from being together, however subtle it may be, that’s what it was for me. Her less needy, more self standing, him opening up to feeling and sharing, however dangerous it might be, as it can mean suffering in the end (his wound seem to stem from absent parents/ mother, providing through money, but not felt love, a very stressful situation for a child, unaware of it, thus unable to cope and develop properly into an adult with healthy relationships to others…Sk character was utmost interesting to me)
Professionals are first and foremost human being with flaws, reading others through theories,
but ultimately through their own prism on life, (as we do to a lesser extent maybe / probably when we watch a drama for instance m, and get emotionally touched or not by it depending on the moment in their life)
The problem is that there are health professionals who don’t see patients to heal fast but clients to enslave as they are like milk cows to keep … and you never know on which one you may end up with 😉
I exaggerate but honestly, I’ve never met someone doing better after attending to psy sessions…
Yet, I loved it’s okay to not be okay 😉
… never said it would cure them, but that they may not end up together, except if they were able to put more into their relationship 😉
But at least, there was a progress, in my opinion, based on my prism on Life 🙂
And hey, … if movies were a true take on reality, what’s the point ? 😉
What are your favorite all time dramas at the moment ?
You might be right , I would never know since I never had counseling so I don’t know much about counselors in RL.
But yes they are humans first and foremost so of course they might be susceptible to projecting their own experiences , feelings on their patients.
I loved it’s okay to not be okay too
Love KD totally lacks originality I’m afraid… it simply stands for Love korean dramas, I am rather exclusive at the moment with these 😉 and so far I’ve tried not to fall into the exclusive fangirl bottomless pit
mmmh; difficult for me to select just one..
Here are some that come to mind / I would happily watch again these days….(no order after Misaeng)
Loved Misaeng, Temperature of love, Itaewon class, Flower of evil, One spring night, Are you human too, It’s okay to not be okay…Hwayugi, and also Healer and Vagabond i must admit 😉 also love “everything” with Shin Hye-sun as FL (still 17, Angel’s last mission, Mr Queen),
(btw earlier, i meant its okay, that’s love / psy healing)
Haven’t watched/heard of the Guest, but there are still so many on my catch-up list… i am fairly new in drama wonderland compared to you from what i understand 😉
Ah okay welcome again
I Loved FoE with all the plot holes in it because the cast was amazing .
Didn’t watch misaeng yet although I should.
Itaewon class I don’t know if I want to watch , temperature of love isn’t that the one KJW in it (I want to watch it too , don’t know when)
I started watching after I graduated college back in 2010 but I didn’t watch as much as the rest of the beanies here on DB.
I have a long list to catch up to.
😱😱😱
You didn’t hear about The Guest , it aired in 2018
I promoted it like crazy *still do though*
You should definitely watch if you can handle scary dramas about ghosts and possession.
Itaewon class took me by surprise. I’m not into revenge things, but I just loved the 2 main characters, esp. Jo Yi seo by Kim Da-mi (I had difficulties with their looks though, but the storyline makes you forget it and just fall for the characters)
Temperature of love, yes, indeed with KJW, but also Yang Se-jong and Seo Hyeon-jin…
and then, for drama watching, I am quite open, but it’s a question of mood/ “need” of the moment…and I’m not sure i am into too scary things at the moment but I’ll look into it. Thanks!!!
Then you should watch it because to me The Guest isn’t about ghosts , priests or scary things.
It’s about the trio of misfits who got together and was each others family , you just can’t not love them and how in spite of their differences they were each others pillar and support.
My Trio , My babies 😭😭😭
You can see them in my dp , by the way who’s your dp ?
Good , then go watch The Guest , tomorrow maybe when you’re less tired.
I love Im/Yim Siwan , poor baby I hated LDW because of him , he needs to be protected *protect baby ISW*
I’m often accused of that , it’s just that I found characters I love and sympathize with in dark dramas , I have fluffy sweet fun dramas that I love too 😅
I understand what you mean re. Dark dramas…
I watched the intro of the Guest, and I like the premises but I won’t start tonight… I’ll crash to bed early tonight and if I start ans like, my morning may be complicated 😉
And no, not on discord
Just curious as to what WaadMay may mean. Found a waad acronym, but not sure it’s what you intended with the May addition ?
Okay nice ,hope you watch and love it.
I’m curious about your handle name too *maybe love Kang Daniel*.
So my handle name is my actual name Waad *how I write it at least* and May is part of my last name 😊
Since FoE is one of your favorites , may I suggest that you watch nobody knows or beyond evil ???
Especially since you’re not in the mood for The Guest 😅
Beyond Evil is on my watchlist indeed, thanks for the tip / Children of Nobody…
Indeed at the moment, I still need some light-hearted dramas …but I am sure that the mood for stag darker will come 😉
About My strange hero with YSH, I’ve given it a try, but I have a big problem with the personality of the character played by JBA, … I can’t give her extenuating circumstances for her despicable continued behavior, starting with not being willing to hear YSH version of the circumstances of their friend’s death … or did I miss something? And I’m really sorry about that because indeed there is YsH in it 😉
Nowadays rewatching Imitation with my sister , let me be your knight
Need to finish red sleeve then probably I’ll start some finished ones.
Hope you’ll like it , if not why not try true beauty ?!
It’s cute and fun to watch
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Waadmay
July 18, 2021 at 1:22 PM
Watching Nevertheless Ep5 again reminded me of Cruel Intentions
Anyone thinks the same ????!
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 4:44 AM
Yes and no 🙂
Yes in so far as the main protagonist falls in love without first realizing it…
—- and no, because there are no bad intentions on his side. He is not playing with the feelings of others, he has just shut himself emotionally, … not getting attached to someone / being in an adult relationship – on top of the physical one – means that nobody can make you suffer… letting go of the barriers one has erected not to suffer (fear of abandonment) requires a lot of courage and trust …
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 4:56 AM
Fair , you’re watching it these days or you finished it?!
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 5:11 AM
Watched it not too long ago …
(Also, I am French and cruel intentions is adapted from the French novel by Pierte Choderlos de Laclos (les Liaisons dangereuses), 18th century… love doesn’t change 😉
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 5:11 AM
Pierre
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 5:20 AM
Welcome french beanie , I know that info 😉😊
Did you enjoy it or did it make you angry???!
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 5:31 AM
I enjoyed it 🙂
I found it very well / smartly / subtly written and filmed. Found Sk really good in it, Hsh too – even if their characters were obviously not the most “lovable”, relatable for the majority of viewers … Loved the OST too.
It is clearly not politically/socially correct, in the sense that it is very far from the type of love favored in kdramas: a very sweet and comforting type of love (the friendship / after-I-get-to-know-you type), which is the reason why I can understand that some hate it… but their love obviously stems from physical attraction and compatibility 😉 their meeting at night and not sharing social activities … and I liked that the drama was not judging or trying to over-explain / justify / condemn…
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 5:33 AM
And thank you for the welcome !
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 5:36 AM
Yeah that was refreshing in a way and nice to watch.
But I still believe that they both needs counseling before getting in a relationship.
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 5:19 AM
“Nevertheless” seems to be often criticized, but I think it’s because people don’t realize / never experienced the nature of their primary attraction and the love their share … being attracted like a butterfly toward a flame … it may not be good for you, and you know it, but reason takes no part in it … you don’t always fall in love by getting to know someone and sharing happy moments with someone …
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 5:23 AM
I get that , that’s why I don’t hate Jae eun or blame nabi for her choice but I still can get angry at discarding the source material and how anger infusing watching it was
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 5:40 AM
That was the interesting thing with this drama for me… how daring to show you something like that…
even if I liked the ending in the original webtoon because it is very comforting in a way… the good guy wins… and the apparently bad one (deeply wounded) keeps his bad ways…
I nevertheless hope that the essence of kdramas in general will remain, and that Netflix will not spoil everything …, which they clearly did here 😉
(because most kdramas are reassuring and comforting)
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 5:50 AM
Yes it was interesting , I never read the webtoon but I learned how it ends.
I wouldn’t mind it if we were shown that she stayed away from him , got counseling then met him again after she became more successful and mature , like if a year or two passed and she was doing her studies abroad.
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 6:24 AM
Then I think the two would need counseling 😉
But I’m not sure counseling does any good in the end …;)
I think that we have set paths and experiences we have to learn from, and as long as we are not able/ willing to take our responsibilities, and learn from it, without victimizing ourselves, because ultimately we have free will, and we need to acknowledge it, the path and choice will present again and again… I don’t believe in chance meeting either,
Those two may probably not end up together anyway, except if they are able to put more substance in their relationship, but for sk character, the relationship may enable him to be more human, letting go of his armour, when it may enable Hsh to be less needy and depending on someone else for her happiness … that’s my take on this…:)
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 6:33 AM
Yes they both needs it , and I’m afraid they both need it for the same purpose , to each love her/himself since both feels abandoned at some point of their lives but each copped differently.
And yes they have to go through life and experience lots of things to grow up ,take responsibility and learn from it but for some reason they seemed that they need professional help to me , just saying.
I might be wrong and you might be right , who knows 😉
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 6:42 AM
Ps. For me, the ending was also what I liked in Nevertheless, the way I understood it :
Both growing from being together, however subtle it may be, that’s what it was for me. Her less needy, more self standing, him opening up to feeling and sharing, however dangerous it might be, as it can mean suffering in the end (his wound seem to stem from absent parents/ mother, providing through money, but not felt love, a very stressful situation for a child, unaware of it, thus unable to cope and develop properly into an adult with healthy relationships to others…Sk character was utmost interesting to me)
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 6:48 AM
I hated it , wanted it to be more realistic not love can cure everything magical fix 😅
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 6:52 AM
Professionals are first and foremost human being with flaws, reading others through theories,
but ultimately through their own prism on life, (as we do to a lesser extent maybe / probably when we watch a drama for instance m, and get emotionally touched or not by it depending on the moment in their life)
The problem is that there are health professionals who don’t see patients to heal fast but clients to enslave as they are like milk cows to keep … and you never know on which one you may end up with 😉
I exaggerate but honestly, I’ve never met someone doing better after attending to psy sessions…
Yet, I loved it’s okay to not be okay 😉
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 6:58 AM
… never said it would cure them, but that they may not end up together, except if they were able to put more into their relationship 😉
But at least, there was a progress, in my opinion, based on my prism on Life 🙂
And hey, … if movies were a true take on reality, what’s the point ? 😉
What are your favorite all time dramas at the moment ?
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 7:00 AM
You might be right , I would never know since I never had counseling so I don’t know much about counselors in RL.
But yes they are humans first and foremost so of course they might be susceptible to projecting their own experiences , feelings on their patients.
I loved it’s okay to not be okay too
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 7:02 AM
My utmost favorite drama is……. Drums Rolls
The Guest *hard clapping*
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 7:04 AM
What’s yours????
PS I have other dramas that I love and N°1 to me
But The Guest Is The Best
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 11:48 AM
Love KD totally lacks originality I’m afraid… it simply stands for Love korean dramas, I am rather exclusive at the moment with these 😉 and so far I’ve tried not to fall into the exclusive fangirl bottomless pit
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 11:54 AM
That’s okay 💜
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 7:07 AM
… I realize i made a mistake
should have written what are 😉
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 7:08 AM
It’s okay, you’re all forgiven 😉
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 7:22 AM
mmmh; difficult for me to select just one..
Here are some that come to mind / I would happily watch again these days….(no order after Misaeng)
Loved Misaeng, Temperature of love, Itaewon class, Flower of evil, One spring night, Are you human too, It’s okay to not be okay…Hwayugi, and also Healer and Vagabond i must admit 😉 also love “everything” with Shin Hye-sun as FL (still 17, Angel’s last mission, Mr Queen),
(btw earlier, i meant its okay, that’s love / psy healing)
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 7:25 AM
Haven’t watched/heard of the Guest, but there are still so many on my catch-up list… i am fairly new in drama wonderland compared to you from what i understand 😉
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 7:36 AM
Ah okay welcome again
I Loved FoE with all the plot holes in it because the cast was amazing .
Didn’t watch misaeng yet although I should.
Itaewon class I don’t know if I want to watch , temperature of love isn’t that the one KJW in it (I want to watch it too , don’t know when)
I started watching after I graduated college back in 2010 but I didn’t watch as much as the rest of the beanies here on DB.
I have a long list to catch up to.
😱😱😱
You didn’t hear about The Guest , it aired in 2018
I promoted it like crazy *still do though*
You should definitely watch if you can handle scary dramas about ghosts and possession.
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 7:40 AM
https://www.dramabeans.com/shows/the-guest/
You can check the recap if you want 😅😉
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 8:15 AM
Itaewon class took me by surprise. I’m not into revenge things, but I just loved the 2 main characters, esp. Jo Yi seo by Kim Da-mi (I had difficulties with their looks though, but the storyline makes you forget it and just fall for the characters)
Temperature of love, yes, indeed with KJW, but also Yang Se-jong and Seo Hyeon-jin…
and then, for drama watching, I am quite open, but it’s a question of mood/ “need” of the moment…and I’m not sure i am into too scary things at the moment but I’ll look into it. Thanks!!!
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 8:32 AM
Then you should watch it because to me The Guest isn’t about ghosts , priests or scary things.
It’s about the trio of misfits who got together and was each others family , you just can’t not love them and how in spite of their differences they were each others pillar and support.
My Trio , My babies 😭😭😭
You can see them in my dp , by the way who’s your dp ?
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 9:25 AM
Im Siwan because of Misaeng 😉
https://theactorispresent.kr/male-actors-by-alphabetical-order/
You got me with the characters’ approach – your description of the trio /re. The Guest 🙂
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 9:28 AM
YIM SIWAN
with W here
https://theactorispresent.kr/male-actors-by-alphabetical-order/
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 9:28 AM
Y
(Tired apparently 😬
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 10:08 AM
Good , then go watch The Guest , tomorrow maybe when you’re less tired.
I love Im/Yim Siwan , poor baby I hated LDW because of him , he needs to be protected *protect baby ISW*
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 10:31 AM
… I see you like dark dramas 😉
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM
found the guest on netflix
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 11:09 AM
I’m often accused of that , it’s just that I found characters I love and sympathize with in dark dramas , I have fluffy sweet fun dramas that I love too 😅
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 11:13 AM
Are you going to watch now ?!
Are you on discord???;
LoveKDramas
January 6, 2022 at 11:25 AM
I understand what you mean re. Dark dramas…
I watched the intro of the Guest, and I like the premises but I won’t start tonight… I’ll crash to bed early tonight and if I start ans like, my morning may be complicated 😉
And no, not on discord
Just curious as to what WaadMay may mean. Found a waad acronym, but not sure it’s what you intended with the May addition ?
Waadmay
January 6, 2022 at 11:30 AM
Okay nice ,hope you watch and love it.
I’m curious about your handle name too *maybe love Kang Daniel*.
So my handle name is my actual name Waad *how I write it at least* and May is part of my last name 😊
Waadmay
January 8, 2022 at 1:46 PM
Since FoE is one of your favorites , may I suggest that you watch nobody knows or beyond evil ???
Especially since you’re not in the mood for The Guest 😅
Waadmay
January 9, 2022 at 10:46 AM
I just remembered another one , what about children of nobody???
Did you watch that @ninonnamour
LoveKDramas
January 9, 2022 at 11:24 AM
Beyond Evil is on my watchlist indeed, thanks for the tip / Children of Nobody…
Indeed at the moment, I still need some light-hearted dramas …but I am sure that the mood for stag darker will come 😉
Waadmay
January 9, 2022 at 11:41 AM
Light then try revenge is back , you’ll be blinded by the sun aka YSH
LoveKDramas
January 9, 2022 at 12:22 PM
About My strange hero with YSH, I’ve given it a try, but I have a big problem with the personality of the character played by JBA, … I can’t give her extenuating circumstances for her despicable continued behavior, starting with not being willing to hear YSH version of the circumstances of their friend’s death … or did I miss something? And I’m really sorry about that because indeed there is YsH in it 😉
Waadmay
January 9, 2022 at 12:49 PM
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Waadmay
January 9, 2022 at 12:50 PM
How far did you get through it ?????
I hear you but once you find out more about the lies KDY have told , you’ll give her some slack
LoveKDramas
January 9, 2022 at 1:09 PM
The I’ll give it another try ans let you know 🙂
What are you watching now?
Waadmay
January 9, 2022 at 1:15 PM
Nowadays rewatching Imitation with my sister , let me be your knight
Need to finish red sleeve then probably I’ll start some finished ones.
Hope you’ll like it , if not why not try true beauty ?!
It’s cute and fun to watch