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Odds and Ends: Concept conception

javabeans: So I’ll be flying down to see you again this weekend, which is weird to say because when this post goes up I will have already done it. Which we’ve mentioned before, I’m sure. It’s like time travel, but without any of the fun parts.

girlfriday: And also without any of the earth-shattering time-space paradoxes and brain-fetus-inducing aftereffects. Wormhole travel has its price, as we know.

javabeans: I didn’t previously think this way, but ever since Hallyu has gotten so big, now every time I go to the airport I feel pressure to have a “look,” like all the celebs with their “airport fashion” mini-photo shoots. You know, something other than rolled-out-of-bed hair and almost-missed-the-flight pajamas.

girlfriday: Yes, I used to scoff at airport fashion, but now that I fly a lot, it’s actually a thing you think about. So what’s your concept this time?

javabeans: You mean, other than the it’s-too-early-in-the-morning-for-this-shit ensemble I usually throw together? I might have to pull a repeat.

girlfriday: *GASP* You can’t repeat a concept! That’s against the rules of… conceptdom!

javabeans: I remember when I first started hearing that word bandied about in dramas (it’s really come into vogue in the past decade), I thought it was so strange (“What do you mean, you have a fashion concept for your character?”), but now it totally sounds normal.

girlfriday: This is what dramas do to us. Who knew I’d use “concept” as a word in my regular life?

javabeans: I totally understand what it means for an actor to think about a character’s background and personality beyond what’s given in a script, but concepts are sometimes very shallowly conceived, making them pretty silly. I remember watching a behind-the-scenes interview for My Girl, and Park Shi-yeon was shivering while waiting for her scene, saying that she was cold but her “concept” was bare legs and no stockings. Which… huh?

girlfriday: Oh, I laughed out loud when I read an interview where Lee Min-ki said he really wanted his gangster character’s concept in For the Emperor to be different from the typical thug, so he got a perm. What.

javabeans: I’m pretty sure he also said that eyeliner was his concept in Shut Up: Flower Boy Band, but in that case he was totally right. You can’t argue with Byung-hee’s guyliner.

girlfriday: And now you can’t watch a drama where a leading lady doesn’t have a very specific concept for her character from beginning to end.

javabeans: Oh, totally. And it’s not like they pick general concepts like “sweet and frilly”—they mean specific things like petticoats and headbands, like Kim Tae-hee in My Princess.

girlfriday: Like Han Ga-in and her dressy shorts in Bad Guy, or Uhm Jung-hwa and her pencil skirts and boxy tops in Witch’s Romance.

javabeans: I suppose concepts are another tool in the narrative-shortcut department, where you make use of the visual opportunity to get across character. Which I think is pretty smart for an actor to do, in terms of getting into a character’s mind and thinking about them in a deeper way.

girlfriday: Not to mention a bonanza for product placement opportunities, if your actor is a spokesperson for your brand and can make your latest trend seem cool.

javabeans: It’s just that many times, I think actors only do the superficial thing and put together a “look” rather than a full character analysis.

girlfriday: And also because I don’t know about you, but in my real life, I don’t wear ONE concept every day. It’s actually stranger to watch a character always wearing the one style no matter what.

javabeans: Yes. I’m thinking of Kim Nam-joo in Queen of Housewives, for instance, where she had that really distinctive hairstyle (huge waves, blunt cut), topped off with frosty pink lipstick, and it was kept up for practically every scene. I actually think that a lot of times, concepts aren’t really flattering, either, they’re just an easy way to signal that this is A Character.

girlfriday: It cracks me up when everyone in the drama gets a concept makeover at exactly the same time, roughly halfway through.

javabeans: I always think, “Oh did you get a two-for-one deal with the hairdresser, where they cut everyone’s hair on set on the same day?” Because in real life, how weird would it be if everyone you knew got their hair cut at the same time?

girlfriday: Some dramas try to motivate it by timing the makeovers with time jumps, but most shows just have new looks for absolutely no reason. My favorite concept meta joke lately was in Marriage Not Dating, where Han Groo got chastised by her mother for going to her (fake) in-laws’ house dressed in pajamas and an apron, and she shouted, “This is my concept — daughter-in-law who works like a cow!”

javabeans: That was hilarious because it was totally poking fun at concepts as a “thing.” Concepts needn’t always be clothing or style related (see: Go Ara’s Pepero obsession in Answer Me, 1994), but those are the most obvious ones. Oh, aside from hair, like Jang Geun-seok in everything ever.

girlfriday: Well Jang Geun-seok’s hair is more like a character with its own ego than a concept. Guys tend to do little quirky things like specific things in blazer pockets, ascots, lack of socks, stuff like that. I guess pink pants is a concept?

javabeans: Yep. Exactly. Totally a directorial concept. There’s no other reason.

girlfriday: You mean no other excuse. So what was YOUR excuse for wearing pink pants the last time you flew into town?

javabeans: Hey! Maybe Lee Min-ho WAS my concept.

girlfriday: Okay, then I’ll look forward to your next concept.

javabeans: I can be the daughter-in-law who works like a cow!

girlfriday: Well then I can be the chauffeur who refuses to let you in the car.

javabeans: Quick, someone get me a concept!

 
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LoL. Maybe the next concept to.get popular would be that of violently brightly coloured suits ala FTLY.
Note that would be something

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hahahahahahhaha
I knew it!!! I knew ittttt! a conversation abt character concepts just cannot be complete without mentioning Lee Min Ho hahahahah..his Heirs wardrobe was a joke LOL..don't get me wrong...I love him! he is my ultimate bias, but you just can't ignore his wardrobe there lol

and I tooootally agree with the weirdness of haircuts for every character after time jumps...that's so weird lol!

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<You can’t argue with Byung-hee’s guy liner.

That eyeliner was awesome. He totally rocked it.

<Uhm Jung-hwa and her pencil skirts and boxy tops in Witch’s Romance

I don't think there was anything she wore that I really understood. Particularly not that shirt with the hole and metal frame around the hole in the end?!?!?!?!

<Jang Geun-seok’s hair is more like a character with its own ego than a concept

If we are going to talk hair with character, I'm going to have to say Eita (yeah, I know, crossing into J dramas here).

I generally find 'concepts' in K-pop the most insane, but I think it's kind of cool. I mean you go have to have guts to wear some of those things these people wear. I don't always like the specific things they wear, but I dig it. That can even extend to awful sweaters in dramas.

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Eita's hair has a life of its own, methinks!

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His hair. It's always just so big. Eita's current hairstyle in All About My Siblings is actually quite tame for him.

I do remember the group concept change in Full House 2 - loopy bouncy and fried perms changed to "other" perms for most if not all of the group about halfway through. Distracting hair is definitely a concept.

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True, it's quite tame in All about My Siblings, but I really, really like the fact that they haven't tried to hide his grey hairs at all.

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It's legendary, in all shades and lengths and, uhhh, directions. And somehow works whether he is playing a nerd with no social skills (Saikou no Rikon), a prima donna violinist (Nodame), a goody-two-shoes class president (Waterboys), or übercool detective (Lucky 7)... you name it.

I'm tremendously fond of it.

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Minne's hair is still my most memorable Eita hair, after that is his messy look in Soredemo. I haven't watched the latter yet but I've seen the caps, and boy does that character need a very thorough shower... :)

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Being totally random here, but....I LOVE EITA ?

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And the concept of high cut pants lol

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Yes!

Though I have noticed that trend in the 30 and under group. The older men seem to have suit pants that rest on their shoes.

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I like Song Jae Rim's "apple" concept lately.

I dunno if that's proper airport fashion though...

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I don't believe you, though.

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I LOVE SJR's Apple, wrapped in fire engine Red! LOL.

Hey, @not mary,
I read somewhere that the mermaid princess will end up the guy who lost her GF, which makes SJR the 2nd lead. That's a big batch of baloney, right? It doesn't make sense.

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well he was from the start the second lead,no?

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Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you.
I thought he was half the OTP.

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I thought Mr. sexy apply butt was the main lead until I realized that he has very few scenes in the show. I am loving that show.

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Expect his scenes to increase as actions shift from the share house to the company. We are still early in the story and the Princess still has to learn the difference between a crush and true love

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BYUNGHEEEEEEEEEEEE.

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Byung Hee, OMG. He looked like all the bad boys I pined after in college (in the 80's - seriously, wrist spikes, Chucks, and guyliner? So 1983. ::nostalgic sigh::).

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Jang Mi's concept was the hotpants jeans and she looked great in them.

My all time concept is casual more than anything...

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my concept is: "anything but Pippi Longstockng and please stop calling me that!"

yours could be... "I am a genius, so I can be messy! or " had a rough date with Jung Il Woo, Hyun Bin AND Kim Soo Hyun (when doing recaps).

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>my concept is: “anything but Pippi Longstockng and please stop calling me that!”

My concept is "Weird Mom". I rock it (no, shut up! I totally do rock it. ::sticks out tongue::)

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I love Pippi Longstocking.

Always wanted red hair because of her. Yes, since I was a child. I'm sure your hair is gorgeous!

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I should have figured you're a redhead!

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unfortunately, being also an environmentalist I kinda look exactly like Pippi nevertheless. mended clothes and different socks...

I hate the cheap brand clothes. if you gonna buy clothes, make it quality so they last practically forever. it is not spent on yourself it is spent in the name of a cleaner planet - wow I just invented such a catchphrase

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Is Environmentalist a concept?

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There is "resale store chic."

Making your own dye from flowers and dye your own fabrics is becoming popular again.

Also, I remember reading about "deep greens" and their no toilet paper lifestyle.

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bhahaha you think I am doing it the nice way? nope I am more of a shock therapy environmentalist, I show people pictures of dead birds and stuff. nice doesn´t work any more, people can´t motivate themselves if you say "please recycle!" they are wayyyy too lazy You have to seriously shake them and wake them up. then the change is permanent. too many birds are dieing - not just many, whole colonies (puffins in Iceland for example).

I know my method works.

I am really going off topic
but I am an ENFP type so -idealist, or as I was told, a "turbulent diplomat". I guess my life concept from when I was born is "I want everything changed yesterday!"

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redfox,

Hope this works permanently for you.

I've seen many revert to their old lifestyles mainly because they don't really care in the first place, never truly incorporate it, or "It's too hard right now."

Good luck.

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How about Kim Tan's Sweater Concept? Any taker? :lol:

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Who could forget KT in the pink angora number?

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Yes, who could forget Kim Tan and his sweaters in Heirs. Kim Tan in that Pink Angora sweater inspired me to pull my pink rabbit hair sweater out of the closet (which had been packed away for at least 10 years if not more). Hey, this past winter each time I wore it I just envisioned myself bonding with Lee Min-Ho.

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and the zipper coat and the ugly printed blue coat! They were horrendous. Whoever styled Kim Tan!

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I loved Lee Minho's pink pants in City Hunter and hated his pink sweater in Heirs.

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I loved his whole City Hunter wardrobe. His stylist was so on point then.

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At first I read messi's comment to say..."Lee Minho's pink pants in City Hunter hated his pink sweater in Heirs."
Which is true though, those pants would definitely beat up that sweater with little to no provocation.

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Love this site, thank you..

I find YEH is a concept setter too. Talk about a multi talented actress:
-actor -
-model
-artist
-businesswomen
-director
-humanitarian
-singer
-designer

She is all over the map and is successful in each arena.

Go check her out...she was the actress in Goong...

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You talk as if she wasn't one of the most recognizable faces in Korea. But, yeah, love her too.

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I've never heard about this but it totally makes so many of my dreams characters make sense now! I spent way too much time during Marriage, Not Dating trying to figure out why Jang Mi's almost exclusively wore short shorts, even at the most inappropriate tines (she's got great legs, by the way, so jealous). I remember that scene after Mom caught her coming out of Gi Tae's room in only his t-shirt so she pulls on her shorts real quick and they literally disappear under the shirt. I was like "this has gone too far!"

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Haha, I thought that was because she was wearing HIS shirt though!

I loved her 'concept' because it was totally everyday clothes real people wear (okay basically I find every excuse to wear shorts while I can, booyah), I remember in an earlier episode Ki-tae gave her a makeover which, while points for not going overboard, was pretty forgettable - I don't remember it being vastly different from what she usually wore - a little more put-together, maybe.

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It was his shirt; but still, it just barely covered her butt. Not nearly long enough to cover your average pair of shorts.

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I was in Korea in July and the super short shorts/boxy top combo is practically a required uniform over there. Every girl on the street under 35 was doing it. I couldn't see the shorts under the shirt of 13 year old in the family I was with on any of our days out.

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Short shorts are also common in casual wear in Washington DC. See mostly jeans ones as well as cut offs. We don't see shorts of any type in work environments like you do in kdramas

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Omg yes i was also wondering why. But summer is hellish in seoul so maybe...

But then again i got to know some korean exch students in my college days and they wore those cover only the butt pants to class (my uni class consists of less than 20 ppl) when we were supposed to present a material! I was so shocked but they coolly said it was hot....

The next time i present with them i brought them clothes lol.

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MY ultimate bias is Kang Dong-won and he rarely disappoints with his style. His soulful eyes look good in everything. My second bias is Cha Seung-Won and I've noticed him getting complete makeover haircuts from earlier movies as he beautifully ages on screen. And guess what? I get to play with Seung Won's almost exact style in real life, because my hubby looks just like him, he's even the same age. So I conspire with my hubby's hair stylist all the time to make him look as close to Seung Won as possible. The poor thing (hubby) doesn't watch Kdramas, so he's blissfully unaware why I make him wear slim-leg (concept) pants and suits. :)

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Did you make him get the cow moustache??

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LOOOL. the "so" mustache

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Nooo! No mustache. I hate those. But my eldest son who looks just like his dad is growing one along with a beard. :(

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Pfieuwww I guess your obsession with CSW didn't go too far. Your son is trendy, that's what the beard is these days. I think it looks nice on most men... ;-)

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Hmm ok... I do get it from watching kdramas for some many years, but I don't have time to think about concepts. Is having no concept a concept in of itself? The "random" concept where I randomly wear whatever I want from whatever I randomly bought and shoved into my closet. Or I suppose I can call what I wore last winter (it's cold here), "ghetto mom casual"... Fleece and fleece and more fleece.

I often think that character clothing is dictated by endorsements or ppl. I won't forget GAJ's clothing in lie to me. YEH's character as a civil servant wore some strange stuff to work like super short shorts I believe. I was thinking to myself, do civil servants dress so casually to work in Korea? What was her concept? Or characters who are super poor but wear the nice brand names out there. I do think this idea of concept is nice to have and gives the viewers and the actors and way to relate/understand to the characters.

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I've never got the concept of concepts in K-entertainment. I always thought it was a little stupid. For the entertainers it's a word with loads of functions. I'll understand if they say something like my character's concept is a girl who's really kind and accedes to every single request she's given, or maybe the concept (though I'd prefer it if they use the word "theme" here instead) of my photo-shoot today is sexiness, but specific wear? Lol...

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Wow! First time I've heard of the concept thing. Thanks so much!!!! I like being clued in.

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I'm wondering if Park Shi-yeon meant that her character is supposed to be sexy instead of "her “concept” was bare legs and no stockings".

Concept makes sense in dramas and movies for physical changes based on a character. I wouldn't use the word concept though; I would use character design. It's only superficial if there's no substance. Thankfully, great actors not only make physical changes, but they also do a full character analysis, which shows in their performance.

Chuno wouldn't be Chuno without choco abs and JH. Thank you for that "concept".

In real life, I would use the word self expression.

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LOL, if I like a concept, then it's a good thing since I get to see a variety of the same kind of clothes being worn. But when it's bad, there's no way out.

I really liked Ha Ji-won's concept in K2H and Go Hye-sun had a decent one in Angel Eyes as well. If it stands out, I usually notice. There are dramas that just clothe characters in everyday drone like YAAS. I don't think there was a concept for anyone and it was okay. But I admit pretty clothes/hanboks are more fun to watch.

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I think the last worst concept I can remember was Heirs making all their male characters sport bright pink lips.

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Yoon Eun Hye,bright lips and equally bright painted nails was pretty but also very distracting in "I Miss You". Every emotional scene instead of reading the subs,i was staring at her lips and nails. She was a designer in the drama,so that was her fashionable concept i guess.
P.S- Yoo seung ho when are you coming back from the army.Noona misses you. :(

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I didn't mind the bright pink lipstick on her, but I found it really distracting on the boys!

I thought the bright pink lipstick worked much better on Kim Ji-won in Heirs.

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That picture. Le Min Ki and Sung Joon in Shut Up Flower Boy Band. There was something so sexy about that Lee Min Ki eyeliner.

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I think Yoo In Na is one of the few actresses who try different hairstyles and dresses in a drama...and she looks lovely in each of them!

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Btw,Did u or anybody notice the way she wears her lipstick?!. In Greatest love and in secret hotel too,she puts her lipstick only on the insides of her lips and the outer region remains bare.Uhm..is it like a make up trick/trend that i'm unaware of?

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A trick to make her lips look smaller?

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yep, its called 'gradient lip' i think there are a few other names aswell. Its very popular in Korea. Has been for quite a while. (remember Jandi in BOF? some scenes she had very red inner lips and lip pink outer lip) its kind of like you just ate a popsicle. i think its meant to look innocent and cute? I dont know. You can search it up on google if you want.

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yeah, it's been a huge trend in kdramas for a few years now, along with straight eyebrows

they use a bright shade of lipstick or gloss only on the centre/inner part of the lip, with concealer or a lighter shade of lipstick under that. It's supposed to mimic a natural flush and make your eyes look bigger in contrast (even if the colours are unnatural lol)

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You can see Yoo In Na talking about how she does her lipstick in "Get It Beauty", a (Korean style) talk show about makeup and fashion that she MCs. Its in episode 1 or 2 and can be seen on Kdrama.com.

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My friend wear an ascot on a daily basis as part of his attire, which would be a little bit less weird if he weren't a house husband. I guess it's part of his concept, he would also wear a Sherlocke Holmes hat and smoke a pipe if his wife let him. So yeah he's a bit odd.

I have a concept too, it's called I don't care what I wear or what you think of me so if I answer the door and forget to put pants on that's your problem not mine.

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Serious question (if anybody know): DB and GF make it seem as if the actors design their own wardrobe "concept". Do Korean tv shows not employ costume designers that oversee and decide such things?

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Yes, there are costume designers for most of Kdramas. They make concepts for every character and come up with the "appropriate" outfits, make up and hairstyles. The actors are usually follow their directions.
But sometimes for an A-list actor, they can even "interfere" the concept, so at least it doesn't clash with their personal concept.

Most celebrities in Korea have their own stylist. If you are famous enough, you even have more than 1 stylist (or they call them as "coordi" - from coordinator (stylist)). The stylist is in charge to make "concept" for the actor (or celebrities in general), find the right outfits and come up with matching make up and hairstyle.
You know, like Cheon Songyi's coordi.. she will look around to designers and boutiques to sponsor their artist's outfit.

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This is a little random, but does anyone know which drama featured the chauffeur that refused to let a person into their car? I want to see it just for the irony. :)

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What KDrama is the first photo from?

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"Shut up! Flower Boy Band" (it's like 'Rock & Roll High School', but with prettier actors.)

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thank you so much. i think i'll have to add it to my drama to watch list. ;)

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Dal Ja's concept was the best. That perm and that makeup! I don't picture Chae Rim any other way anymore.

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ooooh Byung-hee's eyeliner! So much nostalgia right now, that boy had a better grasp on the smoky eye than any girl I've ever seen.

and you guys just had to use that pic and remind me Lee Min-ki went off for military service already *sob*

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Haha, when it comes to a "concept" relating to characters or groups, I guess it would be more accurate to call it an "aesthetic", ahaha.

My fave concept would have to be Baek Yeo Chi from History of a Salary Man, though. Red hair! Swear words! Bright nail polish! It was great. A++++
Then Joo Jang Mi in Marriage Not Dating (I loved all her outfits and how it suited her personality) and Jung Soo Young from High School King of Savvy!

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Those three have some of my fav concepts also.

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I loved the 'super colourful but chic dandy' concept on So Ji-sub in Master's Sun, it was so perfectly styled.

Also loved Gong Hyo-jin's styling for that same drama - she looked genuinely messy at first because of tiredness but even when she got better outfits, they weren't crazy ott designer stuff, just normal casually pretty dresses+sandals and messy-sexy hair. The coordi chose very well for the aesthetics of that drama.

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True! I was trying to think of guy concepts I liked--I'm thinking Jo In Sung's character in That Winter--all trench coats and suspenders and Ji Sung's character in Protect the Boss with his business casual suits + t-shirt combos and matching backpacks (like the man-child that he was, lol).

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re: 'concept' in general, one of the best executions of a visual concept that I've ever seen was on Kim Ji-won as Rachel in Heirs.

The long straight hair, blunt fringe/bangs, sharp wardrobe (barring the odd ugly purple fuzzy coat) and most of all, her makeup - were perfect for her character. I really liked that they had her wear bright pink lipstick and a subtle but obvious cat eye makeup, as opposed to the other girls' more 'natural' looks. It looked well suited to her age and character as the queen bitch of the school.

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Love trend watching and PPL in dramas, and airport fashion, so I totally get that a lot of hard work goes into the "concept"!

But it always puzzles me why the ahjumma perm never goes out of fashion in dramas! Why are they so attached to them?

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LOL, Ji Hyuk's expression in the top picture. Like, -_-" really dude?" XD I miss that drama so much....

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Now I get it - I've been having my concept moments, too. Without knowing it. Travel does make you think like that. Attending a one week meeting - you just have to think ahead of the look you want and bring the lightest luggage if possible. Saw old earrings yesterday and brushed and cleaned them. I would like to go back to good ol' days when I wore them, with current mix of clothes. You really clued me in.

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I saw "get me a concept" and immediately thought SEQUINED TRACKSUIT!! (a la Hyun Bin in Secret Garden)

I kind of sort of want to see this happening now. Post pictures, javabeans!

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Haha what about Eunji's concept in Trot Lovers? She literally wore almost the same exact outfit in every episode. Oversized/box t-shirt with tight knee length shorts (or occasionally super ripped skinny jeans). The style was cute, but it became a bit awkward and unrealistic when it was the only thing she ever wore.

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They stuck with shorts in 'to the beautiful you' as their concept....

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concepts remind me of how in cartoons characters wear the same thing everytime you see them because the creator wants to make sure the audience recognizes who their characters are. maybe dramas use concepts for the same reason lol.

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