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Nevertheless: Episode 4 Open Thread

The more our heroine lets in her dangerous suitor, the more she falls for him. As they settle into their unconventional relationship, our heroine is torn between their secret nights together, and the part of her heart that still doesn’t trust him.

 
EPISODE 4 WEECAP

Episode 4 opens with the morning after (or more accurately, the morning of), and we have two very different scenarios. In the first, Jae-un gets up for school, tells Na-bi he’s going out for breakfast alone, and that he’s interested in still seeing her. His non-committal language (and attitude) is not lost on Na-bi, who realizes quite rightly that he doesn’t want to date her.

In our second morning after scenario, we have something quite different. Bit-na and Kyu-hyun have also slept together, and she’s horrified with herself. She tells Kyu-hyun it’s because they were drunk, and it doesn’t change anything between them. But that doesn’t work for Kyu-hyun. He barrels into the restaurant where she’s also having a solo breakfast. He tells her quite plainly: he wasn’t drunk, it wasn’t a mistake, things have changed between them — and he wants to date her.

Which scenario do you prefer? I’m squarely with team Kyu-hyun here. Although I’m pretty sure he’s too good for Bit-na, he likes her, wants a relationship with her, and is honest and communicative. Contrast that to Jae-un, and Na-bi’s constant, agonizing state of limbo.

I continue to feel deeply for Na-bi, while at the same time wishing she would pull the plug on this relationship — I don’t know how many more dark metaphors, moments of foreshadowing, and outright comparisons to Jae-un torturing the things he likes that I can take. It’s gonna get ugly, folks.

But before that, it gets cute. Well, as cute as a couple can be that sleeps together regularly with no strings attached, and with no real commitment, communication, or even emotional bond.

The limits, so to speak, of their relationship do start to wear Na-bi down after a while. She not only notices but starts to point out that Jae-un never really talks about himself, and that for all the intimate moments the two share, they never seem to get any closer. To me, that sounds like hell on earth, and I’m amazed that Na-bi lasts as long as she does, because she clearly wants more. He holds her tightly in bed as if he loves her, but in every instance, Na-bi looks like she has some lingering worries that she can’t quite shake.

This dynamic is best shown by the events on her birthday. Though Na-bi had had plans with Jae-un, she decides to spend the day with her mother instead. We haven’t seen much of her, or heard much about her family life, and — well — her mother leaves much to be desired. Na-bi leaves after they get into an argument, and she finds herself running into Jae-un at the subway station, completely by accident.

As ever, the two wind up back at her place having sex — but again, Na-bi is left with this lingering uneasiness. Jae-un promised to make her seaweed soup, but never got around to it. When he gets an important call from his “friend” Seol-ah, he ditches Na-bi for the rest of the night.

And then we hit the new layer of the story: Na-bi’s childhood friend YANG DO-HYUK (Chae Jong-hyeop, of chocolate abs and Sisyphus fame). This boy is like a literal breath of fresh air. Goodbye toxic Jae-un! May I introduce this smiley, sweet, noodle-making chef instead?

Na-bi and Do-hyuk meet by happenstance on the bus one evening, and it’s an adorable scene of recognition. It’s been about ten years since they saw each other, and they’re both delighted to reconnect. Do-hyuk gets her number, spills his bag of potatoes all over the bus, and winds up walking Na-bi home under his umbrella.

It doesn’t take much to see that Do-hyuk had — and now has — a mega crush on her. He’s all smiles and cuteness around her, he remembers things about her life, and when they meet up on the night of her birthday, he makes her homemade seaweed soup and chocolate cake.

I’m digging Do-hyuk’s appearance in this drama — because finally, a character I can like! But at the same time, my trust in this drama is low. After what happened with the puppy dog hoobae last week, I suppose anything is possible with Do-hyuk. But until then, I’ll firmly transfer to the Do-hyuk ship, and will refuse to vacate.

I expect to see Na-bi starting to draw some parallels between the closed-off-ness of Jae-un (and allllll the gossip about his playboy ways that she overhears) and the genuineness of Do-hyuk. Maybe she even sees a little of it already, because by the end of the episode, she’s determined to break things off with Jae-un.

However, she doesn’t quite get to it. They’re meeting one night in the yard at school when a big dude pulls up and punches Jae-un right in the face. I’m betting this is an angry oppa defending the honor of a girl Jae-un wrecked, but I suppose I could be wrong. But if I’m right, maybe this will be enough to get Na-bi to call it off once and for all. She was pretty good at being firm with the return of her creepy ex #1, so I’m hopeful she’ll be able to tap into some inner strength and save herself from the wreckage that’s heading towards her, full steam ahead.

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Hot take. Jae-un is sincere, Na-bi is the real villain of the story. He is going to have his heart broken by her. She was the one who defined their relationship, demanded it be kept secret, and appears ashamed to be associated with him. She's always in her own head making assumptions, drawing conclusions, abruptly changing her behavior toward Jae-un without explanation from one day to the next.

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OMG! I thought I was the only one thinking that maybe Nabi also drew the line when she didn't want people knowing about their relationship. After all. it is still a relationship (even they're just FUBUs). I also noticed in her narratives that she knew from the very start what their relationship would be like. I get some vibe from Jae-Un that he cares for Nabi in some way.

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She drew the lines and closed off, because JE said he'd grab breakfast alone, and she can scoot her bum to the hospital herself incase her fever gets serious. She knows he's only sweet to her to make her swoon, and make her sleep with him. After the sex, he flits off to another flower. I could be wrong, but it can't happen twice right? The SAME sequence of events happened on the evening of her birthday. He would make her the seaweed-soup, but instead she slept with him, and he couldn't be bothered to keep up the 'nice' act, and disappeared. Without making soup for Nabi. :(

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I haven't read the webtoon since I want to watch this drama spoiler free, but I get the feeling Jae-un could be sincere as well. I thought the scene where Na-bi overhead the conversation with the two guys outside the studio was an eye opener. The guy who was pestering Na-bi at the first gathering mentioned that no one feels comfortable around Jae-un and they only keep him around because he's popular. The guy's a jerk, and he could just be poisoning everyone's minds with his own bias against Jae-un, or he could be telling an awful truth. When the guy brought up misreading Na-bi since she's now involved with 'playboy' Jae-un, he said 'you can't judge a book by it's cover'. I think the show definitely dropped a hint. I think that's exactly what's happening with people's perceptions of Jae-un. I think Jae-un's rep probably stems from being the most popular guy at school. He has girls swooning over him everywhere he goes and guys are jealous of him because of it. It probably makes it hard for him to have any friends of either sex. That girl he meets up with might be the only friend he has (if you can even call her that). Rumors spread about Jae-un being a playboy, but he could have made repeated attempts to get to the dating stage with girls he really likes only for them to sabotage any potential relationship with their extreme insecurity and paranoia.

From the first day Na-bi met Jae-un she's been paranoid he's seeing other women. In their very first meeting, she runs off because she overhears him on the phone and assumes it's another girl. It could have been his mother, a grandparent, or a little brother or sister on the other end. Based on that and all the rumors she's heard, when they meet again at the gathering, she tells all her peers that the two never met. She's pushed him away on more than one occasion, and after pseudo dating one guy, she's already on to the next one. She thinks he not making it clear what kind of relationship they're in, but with her behavior, I could understand him feeling guarded and trying to figure out where she stands. Maybe he got the rep for not dating because the gossiping hordes at his school can't keep his name out of their mouths. I mean you have Na-bi's ex showing up of nowhere pitching a fit over Jae-un because of that school's rumor mill along with some random guy who shows up an assaults both Jae-un and Na-bi possibly because his woman wants Jae-un.

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"....but he could have made repeated attempts to get to the dating stage with girls he really likes only for them to sabotage any potential relationship...."

Uhh, unless he's in the habit of saying completely different things than he wants (which is a legit problem), I don't see that scenario as likely. He's explicitly said the words, time and again, which meant he doesn't want to date.
And, all of what you said other than that, is conjecture. Unless we have solid proof (which we won't) your head-canon would likely remain just that.
Real-life too is just like that y'know. We come up with excuses for the shittiest people around us :)

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Finally an insight to both leads being the way they are. Did anyone catch the way Jae eon looked when Nabi mentioned his mother? Similarly, Nabi's reaction to her mom also explains a lot. Usually, people tend to follow in their parent's footsteps, and it's interesting to note that her mom seems to have the same behavioral pattern when it comes to men.

But wow, So Hee and Song Kang really turned up the heat in this episode and if we didn't know their characters are only fwb, we would have thought this was sweet. Still, Nabi knows what she's getting into and her heartbreak is no one else's fault but her own.

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Spending birthdays without seaweed soup, suggestion for NaBi on making up with mother and avoiding talking about his mother. These are 3 indications so far.
Now if we go back to him calling 911 when NaBi did not respond, I think it was a reaction which is also connected to his mother too.

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Damaged character because of mommy-issues? Again? No wonder the earth is over-populated, and there are so many messed up people, because more than half the parents don't deserve to have children.

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Sorry for late reply. I was thinking more along the lines of daddy abandoned - mummy fell sick kinda plot. But I agree, often damaged adults end up perpetuating the damage to the younger ones.

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Na-bi and Jae-eon were being very domestic cooking and washing dishes. There's nothing wrong with friends with benefits as long as they both know where they stand, but Jae-eon and Seol-ah know each other best. It's clear why they stayed friends even after their breakup. If he were the marrying type, I could see Jae-eon and Seol-ah having a 'if we're not married by 30' marriage pact.

I waited all episode for puppy Do-hyuk. I assumed he was giving Na-bi his umbrella when he pulled out his phone. How sweet that Do-hyuk remembered her birthday since they were 13.

Friendships always turn awkward after friends sleep together if one person wants something more. I was hurt on Kyu-hyun's behalf when Bit-na replied, "See? You can't answer that" because we know he likes her. When Sol confronted Ji-wan on why she's upset, Ji-wan doesn't know neither.

I'm betting Jae-eon slept with the dude's wife. When Na-bi asked Jae-eon if he has any diseases, isn't it a little too late for that? A big thanks for the fast weecap, @missvictrix!

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I agree with the two previous comments: Na Bi is definitely holding back and full of mistrust (not helped by the gossip which merely confirms what she has been worrying about) but Jae-un has remained an enchanting companion who gives absolutely nothing of himself that isn't really confined to the bedroom. If someone spent a night in my bed and then announced he was going off to have breakfast on his own (!) I would not be happy. I think this man is extremely damaged, and I think Nabi sees it too, but isn't it possible that this relationship could result in redemption for both of them? I am trying very hard not to see the White Truck approaching at speed..........but I think she must either go "all in" or get out of it. At the moment she is stuck in the middle. Why do we always assume that if the relationship includes sex, then the man is taking advantage and the girl being taken advantage of? It appears to me that Nabi is getting as much out of it as is Jae-un and to be fair, he's made no promises......in fact, he has been extremely clear. It's hard not to be on Nabi's "side" but there are two sides to every story. But the acting from everyone is marvellous. And the blurb said that it was "based on the cartoon" so whatever the story is, and from comments I'm taking it that the webtoon doesn't have a happy ending, it is entirely possible we could have a double-redemption ending, and they trot off into the sunset clutching a life-size sculpture of a naked woman under one arm, and a HUGE glass butterfly in the other? Isn't it? Isn't it?

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I'd do this breakfast thing, people have different ways to get close to others. It's unfair to judge others by ourselves. For some spending the night and cuddling is too much too fast, for others sharing breakfast will be too much. It's important to say the reason you are leaving isn't to say you are trying to set a boundary but to respect yourself, in the show, we don't know the exact reason he left but he did say he wanted to keep meeting her it's not something rude.

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Uhh, but he said she should go to the hospital herself incase she feels worse, and set the boundary for her not to expect him to care for her sickness (like the previous night), that he'd be there to escort her to the hospital.
That's outright selfish and being a d*ck-head.
Imagine promising to make your friend a box-cake after she had a shitty birthday, and then bailing on her right after sex, because some friend with 'higher priority' has preference. Ugh.

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You're over-reading Jae-un. He didn't say 'Get to the hospital on your own', he said he was concerned about her health and wanted her to get some rest and take care. He had breakfast alone because he didn't want to burden Na-bi with the obligation of making a meal.

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Wait ... I didn't get the impression at all that Jae Eun was saying "I will not take care of you anymore" with his hospital comment. I thought he was admonishing her for not taking better care of herself.

Maybe I need to view the webtoon, as it appears the unkind / inconsiderate Jae Eun from the webtoon is expected from the kdrama Jae Eun as well?

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Yes, I was going to reply what @mom2kidsdog said, it was a feeling of "don't forget to take care of yourself" and not a "do it yourself" kind of thing.

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Yeah, I agree that the "hospital" comment might have been misconstrued by both Nabi and the viewers. It may have been his way of giving her space but at the same time reminding her to go to the hosp if she didn't want to call him.

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I wish. But I really would like Jae-eon to break up with Na-Bi, so Na-Bi can date Do-hyuk.
I love romance and happy endings.

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At this point I feel that more needs to be known about Jae-un and his background. Na-bi seems to be growing sufficiently dissatisfied with the nature of the relationship and is coming to the point where the physical attraction is not enough any more. I am rooting for Do-hyuk!

I am curious to why Jae-un had to meet Seo-ha and at what place. Was it at a hospital, and if yes, who is ill?

A note about the professor, who is not very professional at all, but a nosy parker giving out bad advice! I do not see South Korea with a population of over 50 million as a small country. It is her mind that is small and on top of that judgemental.

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Thank you!
The comment from the professor really bothered me and I thought it was interesting that at some point she wanted people to date and live life to the fullest in order to further their art, but Na-bi having a sexual relationship with another student is crossing the line?
I also think it's weird that serial blind-dating and potentially having one-night stands is ok but fwb is apparently not…I don't get it

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I find the relationship between Jae un and Nabi so disquieting. The fact that it is a "night" relationship, to be hidden in the shadows, like a dirty little secret --- Nabi wants it that way, she wants him, but she doesn't want her reputation to be tainted by him, he's a player and she doesn't want to be linked with him publicly. As for him, I have no idea what's going on in his head. One minute he's withdrawing, making it clear he doesn't want anything more than sex, the next he's jealous and acting out and possessive over her. So I would warrant a guess --- he is confused.

The other girl has a hold over him. He rushes to her, no matter what he's doing. He picks her over Nabi. I think it's something deeper; she probably knows his past, and she's probably been there for him in his darkest moments. He probably trusts her more than Nabi at this moment of time.

I can't like Jae un and Nabi together. There's a lack of tenderness in their interactions, it's physical and it's want and need. He bought her that floral dress and it is soft and flowing and fluttery, like a butterfly dress. Was this the intention? I had expected a lacy lingerie, and was surprised when she pulled out the dress. So, is this a new manipulation? To dress the way he wants her to?

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-Ep.4 gave me post-nut clarity . After they slept together, I have been SO lukewarm towards Jae-Won T_T
-This is also the first episode I felt JE's character was inconsistent. Usually that happens in the case of 'bad writing', but I know there must be a reason why he's like this.
-Am I projecting too much when I say Nabi's longer periods of interaction with JE seem... empty and hollow? She seems to be stepping around eggshells, all the time. Almost as if she is afraid to be herself with JE. In contrast, the short scenes she spends with her childhood friend- the SML, are more... 'wholesome'? I think they also very consciously shifted out the romanctic 'sakura-filter' from Jae-Eon to Do-Hyuk :3
-The most unrealistic bit in a 'hyper-realistic' k-drama happened today. A 3rd year art student used Dyson hair styling tools and Charlotte-Tilbury makeup. Gasp! :O
-Bit-Na is like Jae-Won, except a more petty and hyper version of him. She's not sad or pensive like Sol, about the loss of a friendship with Kyu Hyun. Instead she acts out like a jealous 13 y/o sabotaging dates.
Viewers are focussed on the potato-versus-butterfly showdown in the coming episodes, but somehow I feel that's not the main point of the show?
-Nabi wanting the keep her relationship a 'nightly ritual' as opposed to a full-blown public thing.. seems to be more out of the need to want to keep herself safe from gossip, once the relationship would eventually break down.
-Also. Nabi can keep Jae-won in her toxic hell, meanwhile, I'll help myself to some Do-Hyuk (seriously, he stuffed potatoes into his hoodie?) <3

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I too liked the Na Bi we saw with Do-Hyuk. She seemed so carefree with him.
A Friends episode had Monica behaving like their past self when she met someone from her past. For Na Bi too I could feel she went back into touch with the person she was during her school days - through the back to home trip and Do Hyuk.

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Do-hyuk reminds me of her previous failed attempt at an 'innocent' boyfriend. Do-hyuk creeps me out. Na-bi's casual with him because she's clueless about his agenda. I'm still team Jae-won.

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I love your post. Spot on. You have verbalised for me what I feel about this relationship.

It is empty and hollow. He keeps touching her, kissing her, grabbing her. He leans in, she pulls back. He keeps hemming her in, caging her between his arms, with his body. And he is so much bigger and stronger than she is, she just caves every single time. He's always encroaching into her space, and I just don't like it. I just don't like him. I am on the verge of giving up this show, because of this episode. It reinforced my dislike of him. It's hard to watch a show where you don't like the lead character. The moment the nice guy appeared, the tightness in my chest disappeared, and I realised I had been holding my breath throughout, that was how hard I found the physicality of the scenes. I think it's because he gives off these predatory vibes, circling, trapping, and latching onto his prey. I don't see any tenderness in his eyes, they're just blank.

And the potatoes are a symbol of the good guy, I guess? Earthy, down to earth, feet planted on the ground, with a good, steady job, a contrast to Nabi the arty butterfly, dreaming of impossibilities, even though she knows she could break her heart?

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Bring on the potato vs butterfly showdown. I'm team potato all the way although I'm scared Mr Potato going to get entangled and damaged by that toxic relationship.

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I keep coming back to the beginning of the series, with the surreal disconnect of viewpoints. You have Nabi stunned and shamed by her boyfriends reveal, you have the boyfriend smug and secure in his vision, and you have the onlookers judging Nabi based on their interpretation of the sculpture.

I feel this is part of what the drama hopes to accomplish- to give us pause before we rush to judge.. We, as onlookers, shouldn't be so quick to make judgements based on what we think we see.

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Trust me, if Yu Nabi was a college-boy, and the teacher-boyfriend was a woman, the audience would still trash-talk about the woman. Because that's how misogyny and sexism works, and South-Korean society is just that.
Though I appreciate your angle.. :)

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The kdrama Jae-un seems a bit more sincere towards Na-bi and I am living for it! I am excited knowing that there is probability that the ending might go different than what I (and a lot of people) expected.

Love the fresh air Do-hyuk brings! A ray of sunshine in the midst of restlessness.

I don’t know why but I keep thinking about Jae-un’s pending butterfly tattoo eating flowers instead of leaves.

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-That butterfly is disturbing as heck.
-Sincere? How? His sweet-self disappears and he runs away post-sex. Makes you question the motive for his 'sincerity'. He explicitly said she should go to the hospital herself should she feel worse. And didn't bother making her the soup eventually. Imo, that neutralizes all of his sweet-gestures the moments right before: like nursing her fever, or getting her instant seaweed soup.

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- Another butterfly metaphor to look out for, yep yep.
- Ah, I was comparing the webtoon Jae-un and the kdrama Jae-un. The kdrama him is a teeny bit kinder (?) than the webtoon him (e.g in kdrama he spends time with Na-bi’s on her bday while in webtoon, he only gives her a gift and go).

Sincere is probably a poor choice of word, because I agree, some things he does are questionable e.g no seaweed soup, but initiating sex when he does know he have an appointment.

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minor spoiler warning?
I agree they def added some elements to make Jae-un more sincere compared to the webtoon. They've actually been pretty faithful so far to the story beats even some lines straight from the webtoon. I was wondering now if the drama will have a different ending since they're making his actions even more ambiguous and adding the classic catching hand at a transport location scene.

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Plus, the 4 episodes already covers more than half of the webtoon so there is a possibility that the ending might end up a different way. Not necessarily together but different!

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It seemed like each time Na-bi called out the ex-bf on his bs, the camera shot captured his entire face as opposed to the bits and fragments we got before.

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That teacher really annoys me. She should pick one lane. Either encourage the students to date and experience love (in all its forms) or tell them to focus on their studies. She can't have it both ways.

This theory isn't based of much, but I have the feeling that the teacher is just jealous of NaBi because she finds JaeEon attractive, too. (I.E. she remembers JaeEons name at the festival.)

Another commenter mentioned that the soft and fuzzy filter from the scenes Nabi is with JaeEon is gone in the scenes with Potato Boy. That is such a subtle stilistic choice I missed it. It's a nice touch though, since NaBi admittet herself that the driving force in her relationship with JaeEon is her attraction to him.

Kind of like we never truly saw her Ex's whole face until she truly severed ties with him this episode. That last shot of him in front of NaBis place actually made him look really small and less imposing. As if he has lost all his power on her.

This week we didn't get many changes from the webtoon. The sidestorys aren't in there at all so everything related to that is new. The only storyline that changed slightly is that NaBi and Potato Boy meet earlier in the show. (But still on a bus.)

I rather like that. Now we can observe two different kinds of interaction and compare them directly.

JaeEons plan for that second tattoo really creeps me out in context of the show. A butterfly that eats flowers... in the webtoon he is portayed as a flower. And the girls around him as butterflys. If that isn't a metaphor then I don't know what is...

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I am lost with Nabi. She keep on talking and running a scenario to herself on what could have been instead of telling straight to Jae-eon. In fairness to him, there are no promises made on what they really are. She can take what he served and go with it or call him out straight and ended it. Just like what Bit-na did to Kyu-Hyun. In returned, she got a taste of her own medicine.

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This drama seems to be about Na-bi learning to make her own choices and trust herself. Maybe the gloomy way she talks about her attraction to JU has most people expecting something mean from him but he is just a person that avoids getting close to others and is sometimes manipulative with or without planning to hurt anyone.

Na-bi spends way too much time thinking about what JU truly feels without actually asking him or telling him what she wants. Most of the time she doesn't even know what she wants because she doesn't know how to ask that of herself, in this it's a very realistic show about a twenty something woman who is still insecure about her personality.

The gossip plot was a little strange, people would talk so much about a female student dating this guy just because he is known as a playboy? I know their culture is still very complicated for women but it seemed too much? If so many other students are chasing him why can't she date him? That professor being jealous of a student was also weird but it's possible she might detest pretty young women like Na-bi.

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I get that viewers think poorly of JaeEun, but I think there's much, much more to him than meets the eye. I am firmly ensconced on the good ship JB.

Why would JaeEun get jealous if he didn't truly care for Na Bi? Why would he stare wistfully at Na Bi while Na Bi is speaking with Eun Han? Why would he stare wistfully at Na Bi while with Seol-a if Seol-a and JaeEun were actually romantically linked? Why would Seol-a suggest that anyone is Jae Eun's fate other than herself? Why would JaeEun risk kissing Na Bi at school if he was actually on board with keeping their relationship a secret? Why would he spend an evening caring for Na Bi when he could be anywhere else getting 'action' from just about any other girl at school?

I get the impression something traumatic happened forever linking Seol-a and Jae Eun, making Jae Eun feel guilty / responsible for Seol-a for the rest of his life, precluding any long-term / permanent relationships for him.

I think the title 'Nevertheless' tells us that even though the relationship starts out tenuous, there's always hope for something better for Jae Eun and Na Bi.

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Jae Un is always kept shrouded in mystery. And like Na Bi we too think about him from the way everyone else percieves him. I wish there was less ambiguity but perhaps what you are thinking is the twist show aims for.

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This series does not feel like a 'happy ending' series. Its not going to end with the whole cast dancing together during a wedding scene to a classic pop tune. The question is: HOW is it going to end badly and who is going to be at fault. 'Girl hooks up with a bad boy who turns out to be a bad boy' seems too linear for k-drama world.

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I think its going to be two messed up people ending up with even more mess (as per the manga). But if there is personal growth, we can call it happy ending.

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About the teacher, I wonder she meant that the artistic world of Korea is small and by that, she knows about Na-Bi's ex and the sculpture.

Na-Bi did nothing wrong but sadly, Koreans are not really nice with women and it could follow her in the future.

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I too, am rooting for Do-hyuk. He is an old friend, she knows him well. He has a huge crush on Na-Bi, she has no reason to mistrust him. Unlike Jae-eon, who has a reputation of sleeping with everybody. He sleeps with Na-bi, and dates ("you are my fate"), Seol-a on her birthday.
Na-Bi has seen Jae-eon kiss several girls before they kissed. I can't believe her yielding to him because he is irresistible. Good looks always win. Seriously, Na-Bi needs to stop having a fling with Jae-on. He will not commit to her, she will get hurt worse if she spends more time with him. He could be nice that's part of his charm. He basically wants casual relationships but Na-Bi wants more.

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this Jae Eun sounds like my "friend" Stefan who says he is a lone wolf but dates 6 women at a time then leaves them after 2 months. he cant stik to anybody, alltogether had 19 girlsfriends this year. I guess some people are just like that but they will all end up drinking themselves to death. I have seen it happen to playboys a lot

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https://www.manga-raw.club/reader/en/i-am-the-male-leads-ex-girlfriend-chapter-7-eng-li/

This is the chapter from a webtoon I am reading that perfectly illustrated how and why people end up in the short-lived relationships, which surprisingly are not about sex.

I hope the drama will do the same thing in Jae Eun's case.

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“ she finds herself running into Jae-un at the subway station, completely by accident.” - really? Why do I think he planned this. Why would he be in the station where her mother lives. He knew her bday. She told him she is going to meet her mom. This coincidence was too bizarre and convenient. Every time he senses that she is backing off, he does the exact right thing to lure her back in.

I was a bit mad that the teacher chose to talk to her and not him. Its like acknowledging that reputation matters only to a woman. Men can get away with a casual relationship while women have to bear consequences.
Or was it a foreshadowing??

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The Professor was rude. She kept insulting Na-Bi. If this were the US , she would be looking for a job.

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"Every time he senses that she is backing off, he does the exact right thing to lure her back in. "

True. That is why he feels manipulative even though most of what he does seems sincere and without any hidden agenda.

I didn't get the teacher because what is the issue about dating another student? If it was about the statue and being with a professor yes, but not a random playboy guy whom everybody likes.

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yeah, I didn't get it. What if they don't want to be officially dating but are seeing each other in secret? Does officially dating make you 'normal' and socially acceptable while anything else just makes you a questionable person?
And she was clearly talking about Jae won. And so far, there are rumors about him not dating, but none about him 'ruining' women or putting them in danger. People seem to like hanging around with him. I don't know what that teacher was saying.

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It was probably about sex. If it was official dating than people will assume it's romantic but if it's not it might be just two people having fun and it's not allowed for women to be so free in that society which is also why the other guys talked about not expecting Na-bi was one of those girls.

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An excruciatingly long episode for me. I kept waiting for him to cheat on her. Every time she walked along that alley at night, I expected her to see him kissing some random girl. When Bit na was talking to all of them, I narrowed my eyes to catch secret glances between him and Bit na. Nabi goes to the convenience store and I'm looking at the mirror above her head, keeping an eye out on him making out with the art professor. See? This is what this show has done to me. Trust has been eroded. That sweet guy whips out the birthday cake and I go, Hah! Bet you baked one for your OTHER girl.

Found the physical scenes uncomfortable. The lollipop scene almost undid me --- I was terribly worried he would stick it into her mouth. And when she asked him, Are you clean? and he laughed it off, I was like, Show her the proof, you bed-hopper. She believed him...wow. For a girl with trust issues, that question of how clean he is was surprisingly glossed over.

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You are not alone feeling like that about the intimacy between them. I personally feel the lack of love in it, beside he never opening up about himself making it disconnected. even though they kiss and doing more, there is big wall between them that make it flatt and not swoony. Maybe they had a change if they actually was just friends getting to know each other slowly.

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You forget Na-bi is just back from sleeping with a professor who slept with other students at the same time. Where's her medical report for him to read? I expect Na-bi to cheat on Jae Eun before he cheats on her, frankly.

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'Hah! Bet you baked one for your OTHER girl.'

LOL! I feel this. The optimist in me wants Do-hyuk to be the sweet guy taht deserves Na-bi's love and trust. Though after what they did with adorable Eun-han, I'm not sure I can trust anyone anymore.

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Please.. Jae eon just wanted to get laid.. He was supposed to cooked Na Bi seaweed soup (instant soup on top of that) but he lured her again, got what he wanted, left Na Bi hungry because someone's calling. He does "care" huh.

And one more, the dress he gave was hideous.

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Agree about the dress - very flowery as well. More butterfly hints?

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I agree. The dress is not pretty. It’s the thought that counts.
I can’t believe Na-bi got hurt defending Jae-eon.
I had a feeling that would happen since he is a ladies’ man and he is not picky about women. Kind of disgusting.

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Omg the dress!!! It was a dumpster fire.

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Ugh.. yeah, the seawood soup scene really annoyed me.

1) Instant soup
2) couldn't even get around to boiling water for the instant soup)
3) ran off to Seol-A as soon as she called

Dear Na-bi, please dump Jae-un. Also, totally agree with office lady: "tell your friend to use birth control".

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I don't know why you used the word 'just' as that's been Na-bi's motivation all along, as well.

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I was thinking about this a lot during this episode... how Nabi herself isn't so clean cut. She set the terms for her and Jae-un's "friendship". She also kind of milked the attention she got from Eun-han, as I really doubt she ever had any intention of actually dating him. Not to say Jae-un isn't a weasel, but Nabi can be just as sketchy.

That being said, I think it's more part of her process of self-discovery. Who is she as an artist? Outside of the love of a partner.

And yeah, her prof is a huge d***.

Did anyone else get Navillera vibes during the dance lesson scene?

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Question: Do any of you think Jae-eon saw Na-bi's ex's sculpture? I keep thinking that Jae-eon said he wanted to meet Na-bi but we don't know why. He later tells her he's "seen her before."

The reason I'm stuck on this is because I think Jae-eon is captivated by her but it begins from this pretty erotic and deeply personal space. The sculpture takes on this symbol of betrayal and we know Na-bi feels ashamed of it. I'm still thinking about why this starting point feels important.

Also, I think Jae-eon is fascinated by Na-bi because she challenges him, in the way butterflies can be hard to catch. She doesn't fawn over him like many around him do, and just when he thinks he has her, she pulls away.

Their relationship presents a challenge to both of them; both are conflicted over what they think they know. Jae-eon knows people like him and want to be with him but doesn't understand why Na-bi is hader to catch. Na-bi knows(belives) she likes uncomplicated relationships and doesn't understand why Jae-eon appears to be so complicated. In the end, I think they will both be moved by eachother but maybe not in the way they wanted. If I was Na-bi, I would learn from this experience and move on to Potato Guy.

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Definitely. Being with Jae-eon is good while it lasted.
It is time to move forward and be with handsome Mr. Chef. They grew up together, no secrets there.
Ooh la la!

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You are so right! The starting point for Na-bi and Do-hyuk is childhood friendship whereas the starting point for Na-bi and Jae-eon is creepy sculpture viewing (possibly). Fascinating. Mmm. Chef food.

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She should just date both of them. 😎

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Butterfly vs potato! I'm team potato all the way. Frankly the over use of butterfly metaphor in this show has tired me. Now can we not just have potatoes EVERYWHERE in this show?

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When we first meet Nabi she is completely in love; yes, he's an incredibly exhausting control freak but she's fine with all of that when we first see her. Then, out of nowhere, he humiliates her in the most publicly possible way, by exposing to public comment a most personal, private and intimate side of their relationship. He is obviously older than she is, so even if she had doubts, she would probably never have misdoubted his take on the ultimate values in a relationship. Wow, what a cringingly awful humiliation!

Jae-un, on the other hand, is safe. She's been told every which way that he is a womaniser, that he uses and discards women in the way a butterfly flutters from flower to flower. He makes no bones about it - he isn't in to commitment, he wants a simple, uncomplicated sexual relationship. Love him or hate him, at least he's honest.

The moment he takes a step towards deepening the relationship, she announces, with equal clarity, that she doesn't want anyone to know that they are "together". That's her take on the relationship. He's a known playboy and she feels that for their relationship to be known will lower her status with all her friends. She's also pretty certain that although the sex is amazing, there probably isn't much more to their relationship than that. That's what she's telling herself, anyway.

This guy is damaged goods. You either go all in or you bale. You can't hang around in the middle, withholding the most important part of yourself, filled with fear and suspicion, or you are on a hiding to nothing.

He truly isn't a bad guy, he's a DAMAGED guy, and unless you can get through that steel protective wall, you are wasting your time. And his. To me, he is infinitely the more to be pitied because he's looking so hard for something to care about, she is trying so hard no to care. I cannot imagine what the catalyst will be, but something needs to happen which will change the whole dynamics of this relationship before the White Truck of Doom hits them both.

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When I read your comment I began to think that Na-bi and Jae-eon are both searching for happiness but they both have emotional problems. Na-bi is very insecure and tends to fall for guys who lack empathy, Jae-eon has an insatiable appetite for different women. They do not seem to be suited for each other.
I wonder how this drama would end.
I hope that Na-bi would be happy in the end. She is narrating the story, my guess is she will overcome in the end.
Like Ko Mun-Yeong in "It's Okay to not be okay."

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It funny how in k-dramas the most arrogant, abusive closed-off male lead gets the benefit of the doubt until he in 'redeemed by love' at the end of the second act. But someone who is charming, up front about his feeling, considerate and attentive is considered to be an irredeemable monster. Nabi seems to be her own worst enemy in this affair. Did you see how she *imagined* the breakup would go? Jae-un is not going to take a breakup that coldly.

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Agreed!
"He truly isn't a bad guy, he's a DAMAGED guy". And alas, after we see the sad reality of her relationship with her mother, it was further nailed in that she's damaged too and now we know where it stems from.

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I think the show is being very careful to make sure to make Jae Eon's behavior ambiguous. The writers & director are working hard to leave enough space for the audience to interpret his behavior in multiple ways. Sure, he could be a straight-up d*ck who is using her for as long as he's enjoying the game; he could be sincere in liking her, but is reluctant to confess and make a commitment because of past heartbreak, or mistrust of other's intentions, or belief that people only like him because of his looks, or mommy issues, fill in the blank; he could be just as afraid as she is, therefore is constantly judging her behavior (just like she is) and in his own way being careful to not get hurt as well. The writing is such that any of these (and others!) is possible. I'm just along for the ride knowing at some point it's going to get ugly. I imagine the writer(s) is banking on many of us having been in Nabi's shoes: to be utterly devastated when our happy love bubble is burst and realize we saw what we wanted to see in our partner and ignored what we didn't want to see; then find ourselves in the next relationship constantly trying to perceive the other person's behaviors in an attempt to not be hurt again. Thus playing with us so when things are revealed--we'll learn about what our own judgments of the characters reveal about ourselves.
I too have been clocking how many times Na bi draws the line and defines what his actions/words mean, without asking him to be direct or clarify. Then there are the times she does ask him something only to interrupt so he doesn't answer out of fear of what she thinks he'll say. So I too think she'll get called out on it later down the road.
@peppermints, I SO am with you re: the professor! She shocked me the most this episode. She's been a jerk to Na bi from jump, on multiple levels, but--man! all 'a that about Na-bi watching her actions so she doesn't get a reputation that damages her in the future !?!!??!! It all screamed she's really talking about herself and projecting her shame onto Na bi. It was so vicious and manipulative, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who punched JE is her husband. ...okay...that might be a bit too melodramatic, but her speech did feel like a primer for the punch.

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Your last paragraph about the professor ... same, girl ... same!

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#Team Do-hyuk
I was #Teamhoobae the last episode. But I like Do-hyuk way better! He's adorable and it was sweet that he remembered her birthday. It is wonderful to see Nabi open up around Do-hyuk, a stark contrast with the anxiety she has when she's with Jae-un

But basically I dislike Jae-un: he lacks consideration for Na-bi for not being directly forthright that he just wants sex/fun but not a serious relationship. I disagree with the comments that said he was clear about what he wants. I think it's quite the contrary. Na-bi senses it because of the lines he keeps drawing when she asks him about his private life, not because he's been direct and honest. Jae-un is happy to keep things casual because that's what suits him best. I don't feel like I need to know more about Jae-un, the drama has told us enough in the first half.

But at the end of the day, Professor-nim was right (though nosy). You are responsible for your own life. No one will look out for your interests. Na-bi needs to cut Jae-un out of her life. (If i had to guess the ending, Do-hyuk is the end game, but Na-bi will need a while to get over her crazy attraction to Jae-un)

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In all the Kdrama I have watched thus far( a lot), this is by far the most true to life unrestrained uncommitted relationship . Almost every moment they could not help locking lips. Hardly any reason for the guy to resist or for the girl not to give in. Seen through the eyes of the female protagonist , it is her struggle to retain and guard her self interests, or desires, from the prejudices of society and predatory advances. How to come out of wanton lusts not looking like a loser.

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In K-dramas they're always making winking jokes about 'Come up for some ramen' after a date. Well, THIS was precisely what 'come up for some ramen' was alluding to. It happens often enough in the real life to have become a meme.

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The "do you want ramyeon" line actually stems from a Korean movie called One Fine Spring Day starring Lee Young-ae and Yoo Ji-tae :)

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I'm hoping the drama will follow the webtoon's ending. Looking forward to more of Do-hyeok and Na-bi's scenes. ♥♥♥
Jae-eon can stay as a jerk as he is.

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I want to peek at the webtoon so bad now!

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The negative commentary on the 'seaweed soup' scene has me bothered ... and yet we learned that neither of them typically were provided 'seaweed soup' on their birthdays. The writers continually reveal bit by bit how Jae Eun and Na Bi are 'connected' emotionally ... and physically.

If you follow the dialogue: Na Bi is thinking it was almost the worst birthday ever, but now she's spent the day with Jae Eun. Jae Eun reminds her that 'it's the heart that matters' regardless of whether he's able to cook seaweed soup for her or not. Na Bi recalls it's been many years since she had seaweed soup. Jae Eun chimes in he thought everyone had seaweed soup but him, but he now feels more comfortable. Then, sadly, when Na Bi recognizes that he's opened up a little bit, he shuts down again, and reverts to the physical side of their relationship .... [sigh].

Both of them need to open up just a tiny bit.

Also, on the eerie reference Jae Eun made to getting another tattoo over his heart of a butterfly that 'eats flowers', note that he refers to it being the caterpillar eats the flowers (as do many, many bugs) prior to becoming a butterfly. There's a metaphor there.

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GUYS SOMEONE JUST SAID THAT JAE ON'S SHOES IS IN NABI'S MOM HOUSE WHEN SHE WENT THERE ON HER BIRTHDAY REASON WHY THEY DID NOT SHOW THE FACE OF THE MAN IN THE ROOM. AND WHY DOES JAE ON IS IN SAME PLACE (THE TRAIN!!!!!!) WHERE HE PULL NABI'S HAND????????? TELL ME THAT ITS NOT TRUEE!!

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If this turns out to be true, I will be completely grossed out.

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So I binge watched episode 1 to 4.

The whole time, I was able to empathize with Na-bi's experiences and emotions. She is scarred and scared. Wish to be loved, but does not wish to bare herself out there first.

She definitely knows Jae-un will not be her happy ever after, but a girl can dream, and hope, and want. She is young, and at that stage of life, is willing to keep it casual even though the heart longs for more. In this case, both Na-bi and Jae-un are responsible of their choices.

I personally believe that Na-bi is merely reacting to Jae-un's behaviours. Her actions and decisions are just to keep him interested in herself, so she wont have to lose him so early on.

I might be wrong, but boy, the chemistry between Han So Hee and Song Kang is off the charts!

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