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The Lonely Shining Goblin: Episode 4

I find it endlessly entertaining that our goblin is a mercurial god who feels so many feelings—you’d think that a millennium would give a guy some perspective, but he feels everything so acutely, making for some hilarious highs and gloomy lows today. In a meta sense, the character is perfectly in step with a drama that swings wildly from wry comedy one minute to melancholy soul-searching the next, and I enjoy the unexpected emotional twists of starting a scene in a dark mood and undercutting it with humor, or starting with light comedy and suddenly dropping a two-ton weight of emotion on the scene. You never know where you’re headed, which is the fun.

 
EPISODE 4 RECAP

Thunder claps and lightning strikes, as Eun-tak points at the sword embedded in the goblin’s heart. She admits that she’s seen it from the start and asks, “What am I now? Am I still not the gobin’s bride?”

Shin stares at her in wonder for a long beat and says, “I think you are.” She can’t help but smile, not really understanding what it means to be the goblin’s bride, and asks cheerily if she’s become useful now, and if this means that Shin won’t leave. He says he won’t leave for the time being… “Because I might have to prepare to go someplace farther away,” he finishes. Nooo, not the death talk already!

Shin asks why she didn’t mention the sword before if she really saw it the whole time (yes, suspicious that), but Eun-tak says she was trying to be polite at first, and then got scared about the consequences later. “What if you ask me to get married right away? What about college? Do I become a goblin?” she asks.

She wants to know her first order of business as the goblin’s bride, and Shin suavely tells her to wait right here… and then ruuuuuuuns into Reaper’s room flailing like a big geek. “She sees the sword! She pointed at the sword, like this!” he shouts, unnecessary demonstration included.

Reaper tells him to get out, but Shin is freaking out: “She can see the sword! She’s my bride! I’m going to die!” Naturally, Reaper is unfazed by death and counters, “So what, isn’t that a good thing? Weren’t you looking for the bride in order to die?”

Shin deflates and stammers, “I… was… nearly my whole life.” Reaper asks if he’s happy or scared that he found the bride, and Shin starts pacing around the room saying that he is relieved at the thought of ending this immortal life, “but I’m not always sick of it either…” Ha. He admits that part of him wants to live, and Reaper jumps on that to say he’ll just take Eun-tak then.

Reaper complains about the paperwork involved, but he figures that she was meant to die, and Shin quickly starts backpedaling. Eun-tak gets sick of waiting outside and rings the doorbell, and Shin turns into a drama queen and declares, “Death is calling me.” Ha. Reaper: “If it’s ringing the doorbell, it’s a kind death.”

Reaper points out that it’s not like Shin said terrible things to make Eun-tak resent him and want him dead, and Shin sighs, remembering all the cold things he said to her, “I’ll just die. That’s cleaner.”

Reaper and Goblin head out to answer the doorbell together, and Eun-tak launches into a rehearsed sob story about her sad life, now abandoned by Aunt with nowhere to go. She’s hilariously bad at it, but Reaper takes her side, especially when he hears that Shin plans to stick around.

Eun-tak asks to live here, even if Shin has to adopt her (oh because THAT’s going to make this less icky), and swears that she can grow up quietly on her own, like a cactus. Reaper consents immediately, and Shin glares.

She continues her comically bad sob story, and Reaper whispers into Shin’s ear, “I know this story. I saw the drama!” Eun-tak concludes that once she was abandoned by Aunt, she knew there was no god, looking pointedly at Shin. She begs him to save her.

He rolls his eyes and asks how a girl wanting to be saved could knowingly ask to live with a grim reaper. Thinking quickly, she says that it’s always darkest under the lamp, “so you be my lamp from now on, so this ajusshi can’t take me.” Reaper starts to say that his friend Shin is going to let him take her, but Shin interrupts him and sends Eun-tak inside. She doesn’t need to be told twice, and gapes at her surroundings.

Goblin and Reaper bicker about outing each other’s secrets, and Shin gets mad at Reaper and says his friendship lasted for all of five minutes before threatening the poor girl. Reaper counters that Shin is the one who left her out there in the cold.

Shin comes up with an idea to get rid of Eun-tak, and slides her an envelope of money. It’s the 5 million won she’s been praying for, but she slides the envelope right back and says it’s too late—she’s already seen his house. She calls it perfect for raising children in, and asks what type of wife he wants, doing her best to be coy and flirty.

He reminds her that she doesn’t like him, and she takes it all back, and then thinks in her head that he’s handsome and cool and his eyes are like stars. She assumes that he can hear her, and Shin admits that he was lying about that. He doesn’t know exactly how he heard her when she was kidnapped, but he thinks it might have to do with her birthmark.

Eun-tak immediately drops the sweet act and calls him a con artist, angry that she spent so much energy trying not to think of him, and making herself think other thoughts just to justify thinking about him all the time.

Shin: “Why are you sneaking in a confession that you were thinking of me? It’s confusing.” She doesn’t really get his meaning and asks if she’s supposed to unpack her bags or not, and Shin tells her there’s another solution.

Cut to: Grandpa showing Eun-tak her new suite room in the hotel where Deok-hwa lives, just one floor down. Deok-hwa is surprised to run into Eun-tak again after the bookstore, and Grandpa doesn’t ever explain why he’s speaking to Eun-tak in jondae and offering Deok-hwa’s services like he’s a butler.

Deok-hwa argues that Grandpa has an army of secretaries for that, but all Grandpa has to do is offer to maybe unfreeze a credit card, and Deok-hwa is at her service with a bow. Grandpa says that Deok-hwa isn’t trustworthy, and hands Eun-tak a business card so she can call him if anything happens.

She gapes to realize that Grandpa is a chairman, and Deok-hwa happily adds that this makes him a third-generation chaebol. Grandpa drags him out by the ear and bids her goodnight.

Eun-tak takes in the giant suite in awe, and then runs around screaming, “Daebak!” and trying everything out. Her fun doesn’t last very long though, and she realizes how lonely and scary it is in that giant room all by herself.

Downstairs, Deok-hwa asks who that girl is, and Grandpa just says to treat her well because something very important is in her hands. When Deok-hwa asks what, Grandpa says it’s Deok-hwa’s credit card.

Deok-hwa stomps over to Uncle Shin’s house to complain about Grandpa, but finds Shin sitting glumly in front of a row of pill bottles, for everything from depression to insomnia. He’s back to speaking in sageuk tone, and says he’s become very sensitive, and his mood keeps changing from happy to sad to lonely to shining. As if it’s a deathly affliction to have feelings.

Shin pops the pills and shuffles away, and then Reaper shuffles over to take the same pills, saying that he has the same symptoms, and wonders what it means when you cry the instant you meet a woman.

At work the next day, Eun-tak folds napkins while listening to a TV program about mental health, and the guest expert is none other than Samshin Granny, talking about the telltale signs of manic-depressive disorder.

As she describes the symptoms—sudden shopping or bouts of over-confidence—we cut to Shin buying everything he sees on the home shopping channel, and then suddenly flexing in front of Deok-hwa and Reaper, challenging, “Who wants to go to the sauna with me?” Pfft, so that’s the source of your confidence, is it?

Samshin Granny says the biggest sign is obsessing over ailments like a hypochondriac, and we see Shin complain to Reaper that he might have stomach cancer. Reaper is unsympathetic and says he still wouldn’t die even if he had no stomach, and says that the bride is supposed to pull out his sword anyway.

Shin’s mood flips instantly and he screams, “Oh, so I should just die? I’m the bad one, I’m just being sensitive and I should just go and die because I don’t deserve to live! Why don’t you go and tell her that?! Tell her to go pull out the sword and kill me!” Reaper asks if he’s going to cry, and Shin whimpers back in a broken voice, “I’m barely holding it in.” LOL. Depressed goblin is hilarious.

Eun-tak heads out to go to school and pauses at the gloomy weather and sudden downpour, wondering if Shin is depressed. He’s sitting in his garden staring at the maple leaf she gave him, and Eun-tak stares up at the sky and gets a little huffy, assuming that he’s unhappy about her being the goblin’s bride.

She’s doubly annoyed at the inconvenience of rain on her way to school, when Deok-hwa rolls up in a fancy sports car and offers to give her a ride. She asks him to speak in banmal, but he refuses (still actually using half banmal anyway, as is his habit), knowing that he’s being watched. Sure enough, Grandpa’s secretary is on his tail.

Deok-hwa makes a big show of rolling up to the front door of her school and opening Eun-tak’s door in front of all her classmates, while she makes futile attempts to hide. He threatens to do it again tomorrow if she doesn’t get out of the car, so she complies.

The mean girls sneer and talk about her, and that’s the first time Deok-hwa hears her name. “You’re Ji Eun-tak?” he asks, remembering her name from the background check he did. He realizes now that the goblin book she bought wasn’t a coincidence, and that she knows his uncle.

Deok-hwa is dying of curiosity to know about the punishment [beol] gold [geum] that Shin inflicted on Aunt, but Eun-tak doesn’t know what he’s talking about and assumes that her aunt had to pay a fine [beol-geum].

Aunt and her kids take those gold bars to a jeweler to exchange for money, and they’re so cagey about where they got them that the jeweler calls the cops, who say these gold bars were stolen.

Aunt swears to the detective that they didn’t steal them from the bank, and that they belong to her niece. But when asked for this niece’s name or their home address, they can’t seem to remember, like that memory has been wiped clean. Well that’s satisfying.

Deok-hwa is lightning fast on the uptake, as usual, and asks Reaper why Eun-tak is the goblin’s bride. Reaper just muses that it’s a joke of the gods, and Deok-hwa interprets that to mean that Shin’s depression is caused by Eun-tak not being his type.

Reaper is plenty depressed himself, and Deok-hwa points out that the plate he’s freezing with his bad mood is one that his uncle particularly cherishes, but at the mention of Louis XIV, Reaper breaks the plate out of spite.

Deok-hwa gulps and says he won’t tattle, and suggests that Reaper try talking to the woman who made him cry. He figures that maybe it’s not their first meeting at all, and even though Reaper doesn’t remember, that woman might remember him.

But Reaper says it was definitely a first meeting, reenacting her hair flip and her puckered lips. Deok-hwa is riveted by the lips and wants to know where the story goes, but that’s all he gets. Afterwards, Reaper goes back to the bridge where he met Sunny and stands around hoping to run into her. But don’t you have her phone number? Do you not know how to use it?

Elsewhere, an elderly man dies in a hospital bed, accompanied by a woman who holds his hand until the very end.

Shin gets dressed in a black suit and ignores Reaper’s teasing about whether he’s headed to a wedding or a funeral. (“Is that why they call marriage digging your own grave?” Reaper wonders aloud.) Shin asks Reaper how his English is, and says that he needs his help today.

Eun-tak heads home to her giant suite and looks around, hoping to see Shin. She tries to focus on her homework but can’t stop wondering why he’s suddenly cut off communication, and finally ends up on his doorstep, demanding for him to stop avoiding her and let her in.

She threatens to light the ginormous candle she’s carrying with her, as if the size will somehow give the summons bigger impact. She doesn’t light it though, and wonders in a shaky voice if she’s still supposed to do nothing but wait, and how long.

The old man who just died approaches the Reaper’s tearoom, but it’s Shin who sits there waiting for him. As he comes through the door, the old man transforms into a young boy—the same boy that Shin helped in Paris in the sixties. Shin says it’s been a while, and the boy marvels that Shin hasn’t aged a day.

Shin asks why he didn’t write down the answer that he gave him for the math test he was taking the day they met, and the boy says that no matter how he tried to solve that math problem to get the answer, he came up with a different one every time. So he wrote down the wrong answer anyway, saying that it was a problem he couldn’t solve. Shin replies, “No, you solved it well. Your choice alone is the answer to your life.”

The boy smiles to finally realize what that meant, and Shin praises him for becoming a lawyer and helping lots of people in need. The boy says he wanted to repay Shin for the sandwich, and says simply that he didn’t really have another choice once he knew that Shin existed.

Shin counters that he gives lots of people sandwiches, but very few progress the way he did. He says most people just linger in the miraculous moment and demand another miracle once they know he exists. “You are the one who changed your life. And because of that, I always rooted for you,” Shin says warmly.

The boy smiles and says he always knew, and then asks where he’s going next. Shin instructs him to go back out the way he came: “The afterlife is a U-turn.” The boy reaches out for the door handle and turns back to look at Shin one last time, back in his old man form. And then he walks through to the other side, where a staircase that stretches up into the heavens is waiting for him.

Shin thanks Reaper for the help today, and Reaper asks why he bothers doing stuff like this, when it’s not like someone makes him do it. Shin says, “Because if I didn’t, I wouldn’t be cool.” Ha.

Shin stands around waiting in what looks like Eun-tak’s lobby, when his hands start to smoke. Eun-tak puts down the candle she just blew out in her suite and asks where he’s been and why he’s avoiding her. “Am I an abandoned wife?” she asks. He insists that he was busy, but she calls him out on being avoidy, and tells him to go ahead and try to run away. “I’ll blow all of these out!” she cries, pointing at the hundreds of candles she’s got lit behind her.

Shin just asks where she got all these candles without money, and she says Deok-hwa oppa bought them for her. He grouses at that. She asks why she can’t live in one of the many empty rooms in his house, admitting that Deok-hwa oppa told her they were empty. He grouses again, and I can’t tell if it’s because of what Deok-hwa did, or the fact that she keeps calling him oppa.

Eun-tak argues that she’s been waiting for days, and asks if the rain was because she made him depressed. He lies and says no, but she says she’s prepared herself to hear anything from him. He counters that he’s the one who needs to prepare himself, not her.

He pops open a beer and asks if she’s eaten dinner. Eun-tak ignores him and muses, “I said I can see the sword, and now I can’t see you. This isn’t why I told you.” She asks if they can’t prepare for whatever is coming together, but again he changes the subject and suggests room service.

She finally relents and agrees to dinner, though she turns down fancy room service in favor of convenience store snacks. He finds it adorable and offers to buy her everything in the aisle, looking tipsy after a second beer.

He insists on walking her home afterwards, and Eun-tak asks about her wish to get a boyfriend—can she not date other men if she’s the goblin’s bride? Still drunk, Shin says that he’s not really behind the idea, and tells her not to expect a boyfriend in this lifetime. Lol, that’s mean. Eun-tak: “Why not?” Shin: “Because I don’t like it.” Oh, I like drunk goblin.

She gets mad and asks why: “Do you like me?” He hesitates and gives the world’s most half-hearted “no” in response, and Eun-tak counters, “Your no is quite often not a no.”

She asks how he’s lived up until now, and he says, “I lived waiting for you.” Taken aback, Eun-tak changes the subject and wonders if it rains when he’s depressed, what happens when he’s happy. Perhaps his good mood makes flowers bloom, she wonders, but he quickly denies it. He confirms that he can fly though, and promises to show her next time.

Eun-tak asks how many brides he’s had before her, and he stops to look at her and says, “You’re the first and the last.” She says that even if she were the first, how would he know that she’s the last? “Because I’ve decided that you are,” he answers. Swoon.

She asks what happens to him if she decides not to be his bride, and Shin says he won’t be able to pull the sword out, because only she can do that. “I have to pull the sword out in order to…” he can’t say the truth, so he ends with, “To be pretty!” You want to be prettier than you are now? Also, should you be telling her this stuff?

Eun-tak says it must be like all those old fairytales, where the prince finds true love and so the frog becomes a prince, the beast becomes a prince, and the goblin becomes… a broom. She doesn’t like that one, and decides they’ll wait until they need a broom to pull out his sword.

Shin bursts into laughter and says that he’s crazy for laughing in his current situation. He agrees not to pull out the sword just yet, and to spend today laughing with her. She suggests the first day of snow (of course, because this is a drama), since you’d need a broom when it snows. He grows a little somber at that, but agrees to have her pull out the sword on the first day of snow. Noooooooo.

On her way to school the next morning, Eun-tak sees people milling about taking pictures, and looks up to see her street lined with unseasonal cherry blossoms. Ha, that liar, he totally blooms flowers when he’s happy!

Deok-hwa greets Shin with a stack of morning papers, all announcing the bizarre spring bloom in the middle of autumn, and says tauntingly, “Something good must’ve happened in the night.” He guesses that Shin was drunk, and yells at him for causing yet another inexplicable weather change.

Shin is embarrassed and hungover, but covers up by arguing that Deok-hwa is still using banmal, and snarks that they should just be hyung-dongsaeng from now on. Deok-hwa doesn’t mind that at all and steamrolls ahead, “Hyung, who were you with last night and what did you do?” Shin bellows in his god voice and blames his actions on the sedative, not the beer, and hides in bed like a coward.

Deok-hwa takes him out for hangover soup and leads Shin to an empty table at a restaurant, not realizing that Reaper is sitting there (wearing his hat, making him invisible to Deok-hwa). Reaper says he’s here to catch the last episode of his morning drama, a typical makjang that’s playing in the background.

As they eat, Shin suddenly asks Deok-hwa if he bought him snacks last night. Dude, do you not remember anything? Reaper asks if he forgot everything after two cans of beer again, and Shin yells, “It was the pills, not the beer!” scaring Deok-hwa, who thinks he’s talking to an empty chair.

The morning drama ends on a shocking birth secret, and everyone in the restaurant except for Shin turns to the TV in unison, jaws on the floor.

Deok-hwa sips on a yogurt on their way out, and sight triggers a sudden memory for Shin: Eun-tak sipping on her milk last night as they were walking. He screeaaaaaams like he’s seen a ghost, and Reaper asks if he’s just now reacting to the birth secret in the drama.

It starts to come back to him in little bursts, and Shin remembers telling Eun-tak about pulling out the sword. He grabs his hair and goes into a flown-blown panic in the street like a crazy person, and tells (still invisible) Reaper about the drunken sword-talk.

Reaper says he can’t do anything about it now and that dying now would still be considered a reward, and Shin flips his lid, yelling that he’s going to light Reaper’s hat on fire.

The whole time Deok-hwa only sees his crazy uncle talking to nobody, and starts to worry after his mental health. A man passes by and gives them strange stares, and Deok-hwa whispers that Shin is a stranger. Reaper goes on his way with a chuckle, and Shin is about to light his hat on fire when Deok-hwa interrupts. Shin gets petty and asks, “Do you know me?” and walks away, and Deok-hwa is amazed that he heard that and trails after him.

Sunny gets her makeup done by her friend, who asks if she’s got a new boyfriend to get pretty for. Sunny sighs that she’s hoping to snag a new boyfriend, and is getting pretty to wait for his call, except he’s not calling. The friend guesses that he’s playing push-and-pull, but Sunny wonders why he’s been pushed when she made sure to pull. She hangs out waiting on the bridge where she first met Reaper, but he isn’t there today.

Reaper clearly has Sunny on the mind though, because he walks down the street and every single woman he sees has Sunny’s face. Even the blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman he passes is her, and he gasps.

Sunny and Eun-tak sit in the empty chicken shop just staring out the window, and Eun-tak asks why she’s always looking out there. Sunny says she’s waiting, though she doesn’t know for what: “I’ve spent my whole life waiting for someone.”

Eun-tak asks if it’s a prince on a white horse, and Sunny says she doesn’t like younger men, and would prefer a king on a white horse. They look out the window together, both waiting.

At school, Eun-tak contemplates Grandpa’s business card and thinks back to all the graves she saw Shin visiting in Quebec, all with the surname Yoo.

The mean girls snatch the card out of her hand and ask if that rich guy who dropped her off gave this to her, or that ajusshi from last time, accusing her of sleeping around. While the bully is talking, someone slips a cigarette between her fingers, and she doesn’t even seem to realize it when she brings the cigarette up to her lips.

The teacher catches her red-handed, and the bully swears that this is Eun-tak’s, and she was trying to get her to stop. Thankfully the class president speaks up in Eun-tak’s defense, and after the bully gets sent to the office, Eun-tak looks up to see her four friendly neighborhood ghosts waving at her with a pack of cigarettes. Ha, that’s cute.

The ghost girls follow Eun-tak out after school, proud of themselves for a successful revenge plot. At first it seems like Eun-tak is trying to ignore them, but she finally turns around and whispers, “Thank you for earlier!”

Suddenly the ghosts freak out when they see a car approaching and vanish, and Eun-tak turns around to see Shin pull up in his car. It’s not a white horse, but it’ll do. He gets the whole slo-mo treatment as he gets out, and Eun-tak tries hard not to smile.

She asks why the sudden car, and he says simply, “I wanted to brag about having a car.” He asks if he made any mistakes last night, though he seems to already know the answer to that. He agrees to dinner and suddenly pulls the car over in the street.

He comes around to open her door, and when she steps out, they’re magically transported back to Quebec. She jumps for joy, and he says it’s to thank her for the maple leaf she gave him. She asks, “Is this our honeymoon?” and he orders her to get back in the car, so she quickly takes it back.

At dinner Eun-tak picks up her steak knife and waves it in front of Shin, calling it a sword. He backs away, and she enjoys teasing him. He brings up his sword and tells her not to misunderstand, and asks her what his sword looks like.

Eun-tak guesses that he’s doubting her and stabs her steak for emphasis. She says the hilt has a tiger on it, and Shin says proudly that it’s a white tiger and it’s super cool. Well I guess that takes care of that doubt.

Eun-tak says she did some reading about him, but nowhere does it say anything about that sword of his. She asks how it got to be there—did he stab himself, or was it someone else? “Someone I never thought would do so,” he answers.

She withdraws the question, realizing that it’s a painful story, and then asks how old he is. He says he’s 939, and she feels bad for asking that too, since it’s another sad story. She figures it’s nice to have a long life and not age though, and he asks if she’d like to live a long time, “Even if you stop in place and everything passes by you?” “You’d be there,” she points out, “You’d still be there, so I think it would be nice to live a long time.” The answer surprises him.

As they go for a walk, Eun-tak says he seems cheerful for someone who’s lived so long, and Shin says he can’t very well be sad all the time, for a thousand years. He calls himself a strong goblin who accepts his fate and lives well, and she chuckles at that.

He figures that there’s no such thing as ten-thousand-year-old sadness, or ten-thousand-year-old love either, hence no reason to be sad for a thousand years straight. But Eun-tak says she thinks there is, and he asks which—sadness or love? “A sad love,” she decides, and asks if he wants to wager on it.

She tells him all the things she learned about goblins in her “research,” like the fact that he gets lonely easily, is ill-tempered, quick to change his mind, and likes dank and dark places. He pouts and wants to hear some positive traits, and she says he gives humans blessings, and wrath, and doesn’t ever make a family for himself. She thinks that’s why he neglects her in the hotel, and he counters that it’s to give her a chance to think things over.

He tells her that she could still choose not to be the goblin’s bride, and Eun-tak gets hurt all over again, thinking that he doesn’t want her to be his bride. She asks if maybe he has another woman lined up, or dislikes her so much that he’d rather have no bride than her. “I’ll just pull the sword out and prove that I’m the bride then!” she declares, and reaches for it. Ack, no!

Shin jumps back in alarm and she chases him around and around, and demands gold with his goblin club instead then. He says he doesn’t have a club, which she finds suspicious since all goblins have one, so he reaches his hand into the fountain behind him… and a sword materializes in his hand. Ah, so that’s how he does it.

She’s so thoroughly impressed at his coolness that he gets all puffed up like a giant dork, and he explains that the sword is his club. They get into a cute water fight at the fountain, and she gets annoyed when he keeps poofing away just out of reach. She asks how come she doesn’t have any powers like him, thinking it unfair. She wishes she could make gold appear and asks him to do it, and he lies that he can’t.

Eun-tak says she has something to do because she doesn’t know when she’ll ever be back here, and leaves him with a book of poems to read called The Stars Might Take Your Pain Away. She goes to the hotel to write a letter, and sends it down the mail chute, hoping that it gets delivered.

Shin reads the book of poems and sees that Eun-tak lovingly transcribed her favorite ones, and when he sees her calling out to him from across the street, smiling so brightly, he thinks of one of the poems and begins to recite it in voiceover.

As she crosses the street, Eun-tak notices the yellow paint in the crosswalk turn to orange whenever she steps on it, and he smiles to watch her light up and run to him.

He has flashes of dying in that field a thousand years ago, then Eun-tak smiling back at him. She runs up and asks if he made that red carpet crosswalk just for her, but he’s still lost in thought over the poem as he looks up at her, mesmerized. A single maple leaf falls on the page.

“The Physics of Love”
by Kim In-yook

The size of a mass is not proportional to its volume
That little girl as small as a violet
That little girl that flutters like a flower petal
Pulls me with a mass greater than the Earth
In a moment, I
Like Newton’s apple
Mercilessly rolled and fell on her
With a thud, with a thud thud
My heart
From the sky to the ground
Continued to swing dizzyingly like a pendulum
It was first love

 
COMMENTS

It’s nice to finally get some truthy confessions from the goblin, never mind that it takes an ill-advised cocktail of sedatives and liquor to get him there. I did crack up to see that the goblin’s changing moods have been reduced to modern-day bipolar disorder, which is actually pretty fitting once we see his mood swings, complete with changing weather forecast. I could’ve watched that for days. But then we get the complete flipside of the goblin when he’s with that boy in Paris who grew up to be a good man, and when I saw the goblin’s deep respect for humankind and a life well-lived, it reminded me again of how much he’s lived through, and how much his humanity is a part of him, despite being a god.

I didn’t expect him to be so hesitant about death from the start, namely because he’s been searching for his bride his whole long life, which made me think he was desperate to be rid of this mortal coil. But I found it so endearing that he was scared and doubtful from the start, and debating the pros and cons of staying alive the minute that the bride became a reality within reach. And of course it’s all the funnier when you give him a grim reaper as a sounding board, making the goblin seem petty for wanting a little more out of life. I just love this bizarre combination of real gravitas, fake gravitas, neuroses, ego, and childishness in the goblin, who somehow makes it believable that he was once a war god who spends his days punishing evil humans, but is more sensitive than a high school girl and cares a great deal what other people think of him. He seems human in so many ways that it seems natural for him to want to live, and I’m saddened every time we’re told that he’d wanted to die for centuries.

Obviously love will change that, which is the point, but I like that he’s conflicted already and that he’s actually a well-adjusted goblin, like he said, who lives well and has pretty normal reservations about dying. I thought that Eun-tak might have more of an uphill battle to convince him to live—she still might, given his moodiness—but today we already saw the stirrings of first love, which makes me think he might just choose to live a little longer all on his own. I mean, what’s an eternity with a giant sword through your heart, right? Speaking of which, I’m glad the show finally made it clear that the sword stuck in his heart isn’t he same one he uses to smite people and summon gold with. We still need to know so many more rules, and I sincerely hope they’re not going to wait until the last minute to give us the complete picture in drips and drabs. We could be angsting with you if we knew all the rules! Just sayin’!

I’m warming to Eun-tak’s character, who’s always been easy to like, but often hard to take seriously. But the more we see her through Shin’s eyes, the more she becomes lovable and thoughtful, and her brightness in and of itself becomes something to admire. It’s almost too simple that the sunny character is the perfect foil for the gloomy one, but when we see just how much sunshine she brings into his life, written all over his face like that, it’s hard not to think that there’s something magical about the marriage of darkness and light, sadness and love.

 
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Loving this!!!! Just one thing, why Grim Reaper didn't meet with Sunny in this episode????? WHY?!!!!! I'm really looking forward for them. And, can someone please tell me if this right or wrong news I read somewhere, that Grim reaper and Sunny story would be sexy image. Is it true? Well, I'm looking forward what kind of "sexy" between them. Hehehehe

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This drama is like a end-of year gift for me. A special gift. I've rewatched the 4 episodes just to appreciate every single things this drama has to offer. Witty dialogues, picturesque cinematography, awesome musics, and stellar performance of the actors.
One example of Gong Yoo's excellent acts is the one where his face lights up when Eun Tak says thats she wouldn't mind live forever if it's with him. His eyes twitch and just say it all. I'm swooned just by that single scene. Amazing.

Every scene is carefully thought of, to please us, as viewers. I couldn't care less about the age gap or the immaturity of the female lead, I'm convinced we're gonna be explained about it when the story unfolds.

Meanwhile, Imma enjoy the ride, for it's surely an exciting one.

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I've watched each episode more than thrice and I can't see any loophole in the story yet - only more questions that I truly hope will unfold and get answered beautifully in the coming episodes.

Gong Yoo's acting is at its best yet, and Kim Go Eun's acting is just brilliant and radiant - she can literally outshine Goblin when she smiles and does her cute HS-stuff acting.

It is my prayer that KSE won't let us down with the story. I love the dialogue and the details already and the PD and cinematographer has done an excellent job bringing to life KSE's words and vision.

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I agree that the story will keep unfolding in a way we never thought before. I trust you, KES writer-nim!

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I couldn't agree more with your thoughts: "Gong Yoo’s acting is at its best yet, and Kim Go Eun’s acting is just brilliant and radiant – she can literally outshine Goblin when she smiles and does her cute HS-stuff acting."

Love both these characters, especially their interactions and the way look at each other. Praying with you that KSE doesn't lose sight of the story.

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Yes, JOOLS, KES should stick to her vision of the story and not change it because of fan feedback or producer pressure! Haha.

KSE, hwaiting!

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I'm reading all of the comments regarding the age difference between Shin and ET. I personally can't get it off of my mind. It really bothers me. It bothered me when I saw the casting and I feel like it's one of the biggest flaws of this drama. I know the actress is actually 25 so I try to think of that. But I just can't get past this Lolita effect the drama has. Always having her be a damsel and in her uniform. It won't let us forget she's a high schooler. She's so much more mature when she's by herself than with the Goblin. There's this power dynamic. And I know that it's a fantasy and he's technically 900+ years older than her. But it still feels icky. He saved her, now she's his bride. She owes him basically her life, and yeah I guess she'll take his, but there's that power dynamic again. When she's with him she acts very immature. Which I am not faulting because at the end of the day she is 19. I know nothing has happened but it's bound to happen in terms of romance. And he's basically falling in love with a young girl. I do feel like her character hasn't been as fleshed out as the others. And it's also so weird seeing her side by side with the Goblins nephew, because they seem more appropriate for each other in terms of rapport and maturity. I also feel like they try to make Gong Yoo more quirky to fit in with ET characters age and it doesn't feel natural. That's honestly my only complaint with this drama, and maybe it pace too. But I'll continue it hopefully something is in store

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Have you read any literature classic, like little women, or Emma or sense and sensibility? In every century I think women had relationships with older men, and it's a fact, not an illusion. So please kindly think where your main objection is. I think people here are kind of taking this drama as what is not, it's neither Lolita and neither there is any explicit vulgar portrayal of love making or sorts.
Besides the school uniform, I guess you didn't read this other point someone made earlier (which makes sense), that Eun Tak doesn't wear the uniform all the time because the writer is trying to sell the young vs old linkup, rather it's because she doesn't have much dresses to choose from. And if we see the recent episodes it seems true tbh. She even wore the uniform in her part time job, and then when she's at the library.
I am watching a KES drama for the first time and I'm loving it. I don't have any qualms about them being the odd pair, which they are not. As they understand each other so perfectly. Adding on to it, this is not a French cult film, and expecting that much from a kdrama would be kind of wrong imo. So hearing the talk about older men trying to lure young school girls seem so misplaced, when all they have done is talk, and have dined together. Also the topic of conversation was never something inappropriate either which would make us gawk. So as I said, this is my first time watching a KES drama, and I'm surprised at what she is offering. The dialogues are smart, funny and kind of veer from meaningless banter to life lessons, which make us think of our own lives. In any case, this is an intelligent drama, and that's sad, as it would be upsetting if people keep picking at the wrong facts, and not see the drama , and the relationship of KS and eun tak for what it is, an endless circle of retorts with the addition of longing and keeping their truth to themselves, not expressing what they feel for each other. Like the way each of them would be spacing out and stare blankly but still not call the significant other one, or how Eun Tak's momentary bliss fades and she realizes, there's no one to share this with. So in short, there's more to this romance than what's there in the surface. And it's sad that we don't see it.

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Lolita effect doesn't transcribe all the time to something being vulgar. As a society we tend to group younger women with older men. Like your examples in literature. And while yes this might be innocent it's still engraved in our minds and dismiss it as simply fiction. That's why we've been so numb to seeing actors with younger actresses. I didn't mean Lolita in a vulgar way. But it's really hard to imagine it. I'm neither a mature women watching it or a teenager. I see so many people saying that at 18 they didn't act like ET, but at 18 we really don't know, mentally we still aren't fully developed. I know this is a fantasy so I'm not really judging and I know the actress is actually 25, but I really hope there is a reason she is a highschooler. And it seems Shin has fallen in love with her so he feel in love with her as a high schooler.

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Isn't that your hang up as real person who can only live one life time? I mean from the Goblin's perspective, 19 is a blimp in his never ending life. I doubt he sees age, a linear concept, the way we do so for me, that fantasy part of the story makes it okay. He probably ceases to see age as part of an identity because to him, it's not. Just like what he said about beauty, he's live for over 900 years, he's not looking for beauty or age or wealth or wisdom etc. He's looking for a person with a specific ability. Right now, he happens to find that chosen person lovable. That's all.

For her, she's simply a young girl who's fascinated with someone who has shown her kindness and a bit of magic at the same time.

You're blinded and limited by your real world reasonings that i think, is misplaced in this scenario.

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I initially had my reservations about the age gap with ET being 19 yrs old until someone pointed out that it is 2008 in the drama. Somehow, the timeline was not very clear in the subs. Am hoping it is really true because that means we will get a time jump which would make the plot more believable.

For now, ET is immature and daydreaming about being a bride like any high schooler would be (not realizing the consequences yet). She is a lovely kid who contrasts well with the gloominess of the Goblin. I will trust in the drama Gods that there is a time jump and we will see a more mature ET in the future episodes (ep 8 maybe?)

The grim reaper should be the king since he has amnesia. The queen should be sunny. Can't wait to see more of their interactions.

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No it it most definitely 2016. Showed on evil aunts calender.

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Goblin also wears a shirt with 2016 written clearly on it... (I'm paying way too much attention to what guys wear in this drama, I even like Reaper's ahjumma cap lol).

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when eun tak says "broom," does she really mean a sweeping broom? if so, what does that mean?

also, it's one of the missing scenes/voiceovers in this ep but at the end of ep 3's previews, shin narrates that he wants to end his life/disappear before he starts wanting to live longer and feel happier--bc of/with eun tak, i presume. ?? which is so sad bc dude, you deserve to live on and be happy w/ your loved ones! it sucks that throughout his 900+ yrs of living, when he finally feels genuine happiness for himself and found a reason in his life that makes him want to live longer, that same purpose is also the reason he's been holding on so he can end his life... does that make sense? he thinks disappearing is for eun tak's sake, bc he doesn't want her to fall in too deep (like how he's starting to) and get hurt when she finds out what it truly means to be the goblin's bride. so so sad.

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Nice thoughts! I had something similar in mind at comment 107.1. :)

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"Shin counters that he gives lots of people sandwiches, but very few progress the way he did. He says most people just linger in the miraculous moment and demand another miracle once they know he exists."

Why would he say this as if he hates it? Did ET fall into this category?

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Does he give people Subway sandwiches? :D

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That would be a divine upgrade for Subway PPLs:

"Even the gods recommend our sandwiches!"

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Goblin gives them sandwitches, Reaper makes them choke.

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They´d be like Bonnie and Clyde. Not sure which is which

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I don't think he had Eun-tak in mind when he said this. If I remember correctly his words regarding the sandwich-giving, he said he was the one who chose to do it for those folks (as in he was like a guardian watching over them).

As for Eun-tak, she wasn't in his radar at all until she summoned him.

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1) EVERY SHOT IS FRAMED SO BEAUTIFULLY. I don't think I appreciated the full genius of it till I saw the screenshots. That sunnies scene was totally an advertorial for Gentle Monster. They got away cheaply that one with Gong Yoo as their "ambassador", heh.

2) I do think that the drama can be read as a relationship with higher powers.
There are religions that interprets the relationship between God and Man as lovers. For eg, in Christianity, it is interpreted as husband and wife (God and the Church) and how God provides for them and he expects them in return to be devoted to him and in return practise goodness to their fellow beings, aka like that lawyer.

If you frame that for KGE's character and the globin, it brings out something relatively interesting. When she prayed/wished, the results of her life wasn't as straightforward as the goblin promised.
She never really got that chicken shop job, till she tried like 20 shops.
Her auntie disappeared, yes, but she became homeless.

If KGE's character was anything like the church-goers/praying people you knew, they would have riled against God and gave up on life, but she doesn't.

If she really needed extra help to survive (not live on the streets/sauna) she went back and really asked for help even if she had to lose her dignity by looking desperate.

And when she got her living situation sorted out, she didn't just forget about him as we're wont to do after the Universe sorts out our life.
She asked for his companionship. Most sugar daddies pay for companionship and the beneficiaries give it as part of obligation for having material needs sorted out.
But not here.

Maybe I'm reading too much into something that the writer hasn't clearly intended. But keeping in mind that Korea is a very Christian nation (they send the most missionaries out of all the countries), it could be that the writer made for the audience (Korean watchers) to get a somewhat different message out of all of this.

Ask for a miracle yes, but it's not a handout. God expects more from you other than having your life in order.

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This is a nice take on a possible theme of this show @Kai To.

The benevolent giver and the grateful recipient relationship, in this case, perhaps more in line with a daddy-long-legs with his charge. She has taken to heart that her role is to be the 'bride' and is committed to seeing it through in her naive and whole hearted way.

There's also the aspect of the mercurialness of the 'deity' and how like with oracles or genies, a wish granted can also mean frustration or regret.

I like that she is determined to live as well as she can with the little that she can have power over. If she can work, she'll work and if she can ask for what she needs, she is not embarrassed to ask. One question that no one seems to have asked is why she settled on the amount of 5,000 (or was it 5 million?) won. There might have been something in particular that she needed to pay for or it might have been the cost of going to university.

Some thoughts: Eun Tak who is alive and well, is supposed to be dead although she never died. How ironic then, that she gets paired up with the one who did die but was brought back to life, and that she should be the means to kill him. If her being kept alive now (by Reaper) is so that she can draw the sword, then by killing Goblin, she accomplishes what he is keeping her alive to do. She will then 'lose value' with Reaper and can be killed! The poor kid does not know the full extent of what it means to be the goblin's bride and no one is likely to tell her! What a convoluted way to live and love when it is simultaneously reward and punishment.

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GB, I've always loved your views/comments.

Sad, isn't it? Their fate. Died but not dead, alive but not live.
Finally found someone to belong to but it's an illusion.

I love this drama.. I laughed at one scene but next one made me cry, then it made my heart melt only then to wrench it to pieces. It's unpredictable. Yes, we know that Shin will die but how it goes, how the drama delivers it, it keeping us on our toes, never really what we expect. Love it.

ET is wonderfully refreshing. I love her.

*Off to watch the drama.. again..

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I've got to say, reading comments and arguments in this week's Beans of wisdom is restoring my faith in people's level of tolerance and capacity for compassion.

http://www.dramabeans.com/2016/12/beans-of-wisdom-sad-pearls-and-charming-tricksters/

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I started thinking, Goblins´ "portals" are straight out of "Howl", especially the buckwheat flower field is copying at least the cartoon in detail.

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I think I grew up relatively happy, and fairly well-adjusted. We were not the most privileged, but some rich kids didn't turn out as well as I did. I now have a well-paid job, a fiancee, and a close-knit group of friends. I give family and parents credit for 70% of that result, 20% to friends, and 10% to me :) I wonder how Euntak grew up not messed up lacking 90% of what I had, and probably having negative percents due to her aunt, cousins and school.

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Euntak did have her mother for over half her life, and especially during the most formative times of her life, so I think that a large part of why she turned out well. :)

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It's been almost three days since the episode aired, but the conversations are still going strong. There are many differing opinions, but it's great that the show is generating so many conversations. Saw many comments about how beautifully constructed every scene is and I have to agree wholeheartedly. The final scene at Quebec with the reading of the poem just stands out and keeps lingering in my mind after it, so much so that I decided to create a "Favourite of the Week" section in my blog to feature my favourite scenes and lines from the week! Goblin features heavily in this week's post: https://kdramaanalysis.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/favourites-of-the-week-5-11-dec/

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Recently in Korea, a very famous art critic man wrote in his open blog posting about his fantasizing high schooler's body and smell. Not just general fanticizing, but about a high schooler whom he'd been eyeing on the bus. And the man wrote the school's name and that she noticed his gaze. When openly criticized, his "explanation" was that, actually in Korea high schoolers are everyone's sex fantasy and there's no denying it. So that he's just a normal man. And unfortunately that's true in Korea. No penalty to him. He even lectured in high schools after that. The underages are not protected at all in Korea. That's why I decided not to see this beautifully made drama.

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People can't get arrested for fantasy, or everyone who watches legal porn, read or wrote erotica literature, played video games, or dreamt of being a spy would get arrested for fantasizing about crimes. There's a difference between fantasy and action, and freedom of thought is an important characteristic for human development. My psych group is in the process of conducting a study for female rape fantasy, and while I can't disclose details, while many women have those fantasies, they don't actually want to be raped. Very few people actually want their fantasies to happen, and when they do, it's a mental illness. The women feel guilty about those fantasies because they are confused about why they would have those thoughts if they don't want it to happen, nor do they feel titillated when they know about rape happening to others. It's important for them, and people, to understand that fantasy does not reflect your will and is a complicated process. You can read articles and studies written on this phenomenon. Most men who play violent video games and dream of thrilling adventures don't want to participate in actual violence for example. I just wanted that clarified.

As for Goblin. She's not underage. She's legal, at an age where you can go to prison, vote, go to the army, in many countries. She has the right to fall in love, and experience that love with whomever she wants. A relationship between two people is complex, and the two involved can sort it out between themselves. They are in the best position to understand their own feelings after all. What doesn't suit for one, will suit for others, and this applies in love just as well.

Feel free to boycott the drama, because if it makes you uncomfortable, there's no reason you should continue. I know some people who boycott magazines with articles about the social issue of teen pregnancy or shows on teen pregnancy so I understand. But know the drama is not guilty of portraying underage love. She's legal.

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Exploitation of minors is a problem in the world. No contest. So is violence and other crimes. So why are people worried about young girls being influenced by Goblin (...to think that falling in love with a decent man is ok(?)) and boycotting it even, when I don't see people boycotting dramas like Healer, K2, Police Unit 38, Games of Throne, Lord of the Rings, Ocean Eleven, Daredevil, and other fictional works romanticizing the idea of violence, war, heist, and more, for influencing young boys by saying it's okay to steal, con, and beat people up? Isn't it saying that young females are more stupid than young males? lol. People have the intelligence to watch shows with the understanding that it is a show. Females and males alike. Even I can understand that. Have a little bit of respect for an audience's intelligence.

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"…to think that falling in love with a decent man is ok(?)"

LOL. ikr? I've seen comments about how Eun-tak's scenes with Deok-Hwa highlighted the difference with the age gap with Kim Shin, or going even as far as commenting on how people would feel better if she paired up with Deok-Hwa instead. As if falling for Deok-Hwa is a better idea and makes more sense than falling for Kim Shin. I'm sorry to say this as someone who likes Sungjae very much, but I'll take Kim Shin over Deok-Hwa, whether at 30 or 19. Someone like Kim Shin is better suited for her, he can appreciate how precious her youth is, and is patient enough to deal with her with gentleness, patience and care.

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I have also seen speculations about kim so hyun's queen is lover of shin, how come that is not criticized at all? As I said before, we as audience have our own preference as who looks better with someone and who not, I even asked my friend who doesn't favor the drama either lol, and she said, the girl is not suitable here, but both of the male leads are alright.

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yeah @Phil I'm taking back my comment. Sorry, there have been so many talks on this, my reading sense has gotten worse it seems.
@Dee, hahah, yeah. Also as mentioned by phil, games of thrones is so raw and disturbingly violent as I've heard. So, why we are talking about ethics and morals in this silly cliched kdrama world right?

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RE: fay

I don't mind the discussion on morals and ethics, but there is a whole lot of judgement on others' love business, age, relationship appearance, and double and triple standard going around in those discussions. It is to be expected, humans are biased creatures, right? Still frustrating to witness though.

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@fay

I have the same problem! So many comments I get confused too. haha. Most people just post a comment and don't linger around to read replies and discussion, so every recap, we get the same arguments again and again. It's confusing to navigate through all that.

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About standards.... when Jun Ji Hyun's character in You Who Came From Another Star got rejected by Kim So Hyun's character, her response was to not only mope around, but to cause a ruckus, cry, beg, knock on his door, linger on his doorstep, etc. She's a fully grown woman, and they were never in a relationship to start with. He just told her he didn't like her even though she expected he did.
That scene not only made her more likable, but was the highlight of the episode for me. :D
Compared to that, Eun-tak, younger, reacting to her groom ditching her and not communicating with her after dumping her in an apartment alone after confirming that she is his bride is rather tame. I understand not liking it, but find it interesting how the issue is not really about the reaction being immature when Beanies are praising and loving Jung Ji Hyun's character for doing the same thing, but much worse. It's clearly more than just immaturity that irritates people. hahaha

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@Miss D - I can see that the show might go there, but there is very little to fall for in the way of Deok-Hwa. He is is selfish. I do consider that the show might sneak in a love story for him though since he is the classic lead to be paired with a candy - the selfish Chaebol.

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@Debora, @party2paris You guys summarized so well what I couldn't say clearly enough last couple of days lol.
Yes we are biased creatures, and that makes all the difference, no? We say with so much convictions what we feel is right, and then nothing else matters.

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She didn't mean it in a negative way I think. I don't get why you are reacting :/ . People here are stongly showing their disapproval for this pair, so I guess we can either watch the drama or refrain from tuning into it.

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I don't think Phil is criticizing Kalee in his comment? I might be wrong, but I'm reading his comment as intending to add to her argument, and his strong reaction is addressed to "people" who, according to him, are underestimating female audiences compared to male audiences. I might be off though. LOL.

About KSH as queen, I've seen those comments too. So many different opinions, so hard to satisfy all with a universal "acceptable" relationship standard. LOL. Next thing you know, people will start asking celebrities who date older men to break up because they would be accused of influencing and sending the wrong message. Sigh.

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Have a little bit of respect for an audience's intelligence

I would like to build on Phil's point. By viewing him as just "someone too old" to suit Euntak, by saying the drama is sending the wrong message to girls, the message that it is alright to have a relationship with someone older, Kim Shin is relegated to a simple label: "old." Or worse, "old-looking."
It's a shame people are reducing Gong Yoo's character to a number. A character is more than that, which is why dramas and films and books can have stories where the main romantic lead is a gangster, a wanted man, a thief, a poor man, a bum and still tell a good love story, instead of relegating them into a narrow definition of "ineligible" by reducing them to a one-word label, WITHOUT needing to be in a controversy about sending the wrong message to people that it's okay to fall in love with a criminal or whatnot. Each love story is unique, because the participant in it, the two people are a unique blend of characteristics which attracted the other or gave comfort to each other, or some of the many other reasons why two people can fall in love.

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RE: Kaylee

I want to add to your comment about freedom of thought. Along with freedom of thought, freedom of speech, or in other words, freedom of expression of said-thought is as important. Freedom of speech is the "execution" of the right for freedom of thought. In too many countries, speech showing disapproval of the governing body is considered an act of treason and punished as such, rather than just speech.

If we take your example, I'm not familiar with psychology and how studies are made, but I imagine it important for your studies to have a society in which people are free to express their fantasy, or you wouldn't be able to study those fantasy and understand them, right? Mental healthcare and the general population's understanding and acceptance of mental health is decades behind regular healthcare because of that very reason, isn't it? Because it was stigma to talk about it, so people couldn't study it properly. They weren't even interested in it, right? Called it quack science. At least, that's what I remembered from my psychology first class. My professor said psychology as a discipline used to struggle to be taken seriously as a legitimate discipline, right?

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+1000
As an American freedom of speech is super important in our culture. Like I might disagree with what u've got to communicate to the world, I might even hate it, but I will fight for ur right to communicate it. Because that right will benefit society as a whole.

Along with freedom of speech, freedom of privacy is super important too. Like u need privacy to be able to form ur thought freely, to have space to develop those thoughts.

So along with freedom of privacy, I guess I also like to respect the "privacy" of a relationship. I respect adults' decision on what makes them happy in love. Who am I to halt their happiness and decides what makes them happy. Like if someone has found their happiness in love in life more rapidly than me, then I don't want to have to ask them to delay experiencing that happiness just because people decides to mar their happiness for finding love with "the wrong person" with the wrong age/background/whatnot. And I'm including marriage in that, not just "love." Marriage is a huge part, perhaps the most significant part of finding happiness together, so if two people have had the chance to find each other and want to experience happiness as soon as possible, like go ahead. Like, life is too short and full of unexpected misfortune to be playing around with time when u've already found something u want to do, and someone u want to love.

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and also someone u want to spend whatever time u have with, and live together or whatnot.

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Kyaaaa. Exactly. There is enough darkness in the world. At least, let people love in peace. Others are so busy commenting on this and that obstacle a couple will have to face they don't even realize their words are an obstacle to the relationship too. People who have experienced love knows how hurtful it is to have people doom your love and relationship, and how much gossip can ruin what should have been a beautiful experience. Being under scrutiny and judgement for loving is not easy to endure. T___T Loving is not easy, naysayers just make it harder under the pretext of concern. Why don't they realize their concern is actually the most obvious problem the couple has to deal with??? It's why celebrities hate it so much when their love life is commented on, and dissected. So much hurtful judgement for such a beautiful feeling. T___T I'm speaking from experience and it hurts.

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I've stayed quiet but you speak to my heart. My marriage to my husband was almost ruined because of my family. You've no idea how much it still hurts. I married him against strong opposition and boycott. My small wedding was with my close friends, but no family members. Then after we married, my family one by one reached out to reconcile. I was naive, but I came to realize gradually over time from their comments they were expecting my marriage to fail any day. When I gave birth to my eldest daughter, people gossiped about her supposed deformity behind my back (she was 100% a normal healthy baby) saying it was just as they expected it would turn out. I've found it in me to forgive them long ago, but I still cannot forget the pain. They love me, I know that. They were concerned for me, I know that too. But their concern nearly killed my marriage, especially in the first few years, with stress. There were moments, I wondered if I should give up, if it was worth it... not because I could not get along with my husband as they said I would, but because I couldn't stand the outside pressure and negativity. The judging gossip I knew was happening behind my back, and in my face. I wondered if it was worth it to be in so much pain. My answer was obviously yes, it was worth it. But the pain was so unnecessary.

I don't understand how in dramas, all the characters who don't want the leads to marry, or who say, ok, you can date but not marry her, are seen as villains but in real life, it becomes acceptable behavior to do it when it's so harmful to us. Why? Why??

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" She’s not underage. She’s legal, at an age where you can go to prison, vote, go to the army, in many countries. She has the right to fall in love, and experience that love with whomever she wants."

I see ur point. Amongst all that u mentioned, love should be the least controversial to start. People fall in love as children or teenagers too. It's a natural process.

What's not natural or needs to be taught is responsibility for voting, not breaking some laws, or go to war.

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To echo others' words, there is a fine, but very distinct and significant line between a sexual predator, and someone who fantasizes. If not, the first people in deep trouble would be fanfiction authors as their fantasies are documented. Fanfiction exploded in the late 90's, early 00's when young adult fiction and fantasy, as well as japanese mangas were popular. Many of the subjects of these were minors, as the settings for many were at school. Fanfiction takes an estimate of 20-35% of the activities on the internet, and a large chunk of that is sexual.

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Why is everyone complaining about ET being immature, meterialistic and clingy towards the goblin when Deuk Hwa is also immature, materialistic and clingy too and he is older than ET character. Is it because of the gender?

I feel that u guys are over analysing a drama and the character. My opinion its how KES write her heroin. They have always been that candy vibe and also the hero always being potrait like god level and the heroin is not worthy of the hero's attention.

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From the start we knew that the age gap would be a problem for many viewers. So far the show hasn't developed Eun Tak's character enough to know what drives her, and why she keeps asking for money or protection from the goblin. I think episode 5 might change things big time...

Until then I'm sort of ok with the situation. She is 19, and Goblin has been respectful of her so far (she's the one talking about marriage, not him). Their relationship is not normal, because they are not normal humans. I won't downplay the ick factor of 'adopt me', 'marry me', 'let's have children' for us, but in fantasy land that does happen, and Eun Tak is a fan of princes on white horses. However, she's got it all wrong, because marriage to the goblin would not mean happy ever after, but death, as far as we know. The 'divinity' of the story can be naughty, so we don't know the rules of sword-pulling yet.

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What I'm saying is, give the show a chance. It seems aware of the age-gap problem itself. An easy solution is to have Eun Tak graduate soon, actually, since her school uniform seems to bother so many.

The show is set in autumn-winter, so can we hope she'll finish school soon?

In USA school runs from September-June/July.
In South America it runs from March-December.
What's the academic calendar like in South Korea?

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if i'm not wrong, from april untill march

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So I actually think we're still getting a time jump? I'll call myself out if I'm wrong, but KES still seems to me to be setting up a time skip (even though it means we'll be in the "future").

This is wild speculation, but how I could see it playing out is Eun-tak actually doing the do and pulling out the sword. Shin "passes on" and disappears, only to return a few years later. He reappears because the gods won't let him pass on until he resolves his 1,000-year grudge. So the rest of the drama is him trying to resolve his grudge (bringing in Grim Reaper and Sunny as reincarnated king and queen) so he can pass on to the afterlife.

There's got to be reason why they emphasize her age and school year so much. My reasoning is so that it contrasts with her growth after the time skip, making her seem much more mature.

LOL, I just want any time jump. Please.

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Goblin is such a drama-queen that I actually expect him to run away from Eun Tak for a few months... just enough time for her to finish school. How's that? That way we don't kill anyone off yet. :D

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That would work! I just need a wardrobe change for Eun-tak, honestly.

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For the most part I have accepted that Eun-tak will likely stay 19. Maybe they will go through the next months quickly so she is not in high school anymore, but I have a feeling there will not be a real time jump.

But I totally agree with the fact that they keep mentioning her age being, well, strange. The writer MUST have known that viewers would feel a bit weird about Eun-tak's age or at least her maturity level, so I can't understand why she would keep emphasizing it and even having the characters mention it if she wasn't going to do something with it...

I am giving the writer the benefit of the doubt and I'm really hoping to get some good character development from Eun-tak. If she stays the same throughout the drama I will be very disappointed, but I hope she displays some sort of growth by the end.

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Does anyone else feel like these past 2 episodes have been really slow and movie-like? I'm missing the excitement of the first 2 episodes....

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Am I the only one wondering why the title of this drama is Goblin? I mean goblins are usually depicted as stupid, ugly monsters which loves gold and not looked on favourably. Or is the goblin in Korean culture supposed to mean a different type of mythical being/legend?

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I wouldn't worry about that. It's a rule in dramas that mystical creatures are hot, especially if in main roles. LOL. Refer to Alien Do Min Joo, Bring it on ghost villain, Girlfriend is gumiho, Vampire dramas, etc.

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Grim Reaper has to take example from Goblin (just how he brought the car even if he didn't need), buy cellphone and call Sunny. It's a great opportunity for Samsung to butt in, it's more natural than a poor broke girl Eun Tak with Samsung Galaxy 7 edge.

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Related to that, how can Eun Tak afford to go to (what seems to me) a pretty expensive school? Not that the quality of teaching seems any good.

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Why do you think it's an expensive school?

I thought Eun Teak goes to that school because it existed in the area where she lives. Maybe PD chose it because it has the vibe goes well with the drama pallette and it served as just a neighborhood school in drama even if it really is an expensive school in reality.

Still though, seeing her using S7, wearing above 200000 won coat, i think we need to throw some logic out.

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Can anyone tell me how he became a goblin? I know it was explained in the first episode but I didn't get the explanation.

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The queen by asking shin to move towards the king, was betraying the royal family (and her own by marriage) Surely, that is high treason and enough to be turned into a great reaper (to the Gods anyway)

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I agree! I think it makes more sense too, because the Grim Reaper is a thoughtful sort of guy, while Sunny is a total air-head which might be more in line with what the King was like.

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This is a bit random, but at some point I want the ghosts to actually meet Shin. Every time they see him they get scared and run away, but I really want them to realize how he's actually just a big, soft-hearted dork.

Anddd I also have a whole laundry list of other things I want/expect from this show. For most of them if they don't happen I won't actually be mad because they're mostly just things I have been fantasizing about (I honestly make up stories in my head when trying to fall asleep), but one thing I DO need to happen or my enjoyment of this show will be cut in half: some good character growth from Eun-tak. I still love her character but if she doesn't show some more maturity by the end I will be disappointed. That is honestly the one thing I am requesting of the writer.

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'one thing I DO need to happen or my enjoyment of this show will be cut in half: some good character growth from Eun-tak.'

100% agree. I'm a bit nervous because this is one area where I think kdramas overall have to improve. At least EunTak is not being portrayed as a Candy with martial arts skills, only to turn into a whimpering damsel for most of the show *coughC&4Kcough*. Let's light some candles and pray really hard.

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Time Line: the calendar in episode 1 at apx. 47:44 shows September 13, 1998 marked in red. I think that date commemorates Eun Tak's Date of Birth and the Date of the Mother's extension of life. It is a permanent fixture on the wall....The scene that shows the calendar is 8 years later, i.e. 2006. And 10 more years gets us to 2016.

Could Eun Tak have had a previous life? Reincarnated?

The actress who played Eun Tak's mother reminded me very much of the actress who played Ha-na's mother in The Queen's Classroom. I looked it up, two different actresses.

I'm an old guy, I learn a lot from these comments. Thanks, everyone!

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And who is Eun Tak's father? The TV show in episode 4 that showed a birth secret had me thinking about the fact the SHE could have one, too...

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...And I just realized the Cinderellazparallels - the dead parents, the mean "step-mother" (in this case Aunt), the mean "step-sisters" (in this case cousins), the prince...-the poor girl meeting the handsome prince. Hmmm

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Oh no, I don't want the show to go there. It's overdone in drama land.

But, fairy godmother with a sinister vibe?

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comments in every goblin article/recap:

1. ugh i hate the huge gap
2. i hate how eun tak act. she is so immature and childish omg
3. i skip every eun tak/goblin-euntak's scene because i don't like it
4. i think the grim reaper is the queen/king and sunny is the king/queen in the past

seriously people. just enjoy the drama. i don't mind about the forth but the first, second, and third type of comment is boring and make some people annoyed.

put yourself in her shoes. will you not act like she does? it's just her character. she is supposed like that (moreover, her character is common in k-drama world).

but yeah, people have their own reason to comment/like/dislike something but if you repeat it over and over, it becomes really annoying

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Hahaha, I feel your frustration. I literally gasped everytime people complain about ET and her school uniform. Some are way too hard to be pleased.

We might wanna keep our expectation low tho, those comments might return in the next recaps. XD

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They will come back for sure. The downside of all popular dramas. The upside is it brings traffic to dramabeans. hee.

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i really enjoy and love the drama but when i see the comment section, it's kind of turn me off. the enjoyment/pleased feeling i feel after watching it is disappear quickly just because how often people complaining about that

i hope we can get the time skip plot faster because i don't want to see people complaining about the things i mentioned above

i just want to protect eun tak at all cost ㅜㅜㅜㅜ

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If ET suddenly started acting like a 40 year old sophisticate some would still complain simply because they don't like the actress, are obsessed with the second lead actors getting more air time or just because some people look for things to pick at and whine about.

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yeah i think they just don't like the kim go eun, maybe because they find that she isn't attractive, ugly, 'steal' their oppa, or 'steal' their favorite bromance moments :))

if it's for me, no matter how good the plot, if there are casts that i don't like or find certain casts make me don't like the drama itself, i just drop the drama--rather than complain here and there and make other people hurt and annoyed

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Me too! I don't know why but I come to care a lot about Eun Tak as a character and I really wanna protect her. She's so endearing.
It comes to to the point that I also wish, "Just get them the friggin' time-jump already!" so that we all can enjoy this awesomeness in peace. How I wish.

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I love Eun Tak as a character and I do want to protect her too...

And, I am not even familiar with the actress, but every negative comments put towards her just hurt me...

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@Sha Exactly my feeling, I am in such a buzzy airy mood, after watching the drama, and then the netizen comments and people from here have a whole opposite opinion about the very factors in ET that makes me laugh. Like the way she knocks the door, or forcefully 'try' to act like she own Shin? I guess these type of events click for me.
@Tabitha, hahah yes, I also think it's rather to do with the actress. Sometimes, when you have to 'force' yourself to like the actor then you know by instinct that you'd never be able to warm up to him/her. Which is what's happening with me in LOBS in case of JJH, so I kind of know how it works. But then again I understand their frustration, you want to watch it, because the content seems not bad, and it's gong yoo for god's sake, but you can't just because of the actress. But I've called peace with myself and stopped watching LOBS, so it doesn't work out at the end that way.And again, I guess it's useless to make someone see my reasoning, since it's about different ideals and what's important to us morally. So the fundamental difference governs our choice being made.

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and oh, i want to add thing

if eun tak acting cute: OMG WHY DOES SHE ACT LIKE THIS SO IMMATURE CHILDISH CAN YOU STOP TALK LIKE THAT EWH YOU ARE A FREAKING HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR STOP ACTING LIKE EIGHT YEARS OLD SO ICKY UGH SKIP HER PART SKIP HER PART

if goblin and grim reaper acting cute: OMG THEY ARE SO CUTE ♡♡ I LOVE THEM ♡♡ MORE THEIR SCENES PLEASEEEE KYAAA TAKE EUN TAK OUT I DON'T LIKE HER JUST DON'T MAKE GOBLIN-EUN TAK SCENE IS MORE THAN THEIR SCENE EWH CAN YOU SEE THAT THEIR BICKERING MOMENT KYAAA ASIENPXJWH

but they're ajusshi tho? and they think it's okay because they are cute? hypocrite so much?????

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I am tired too reading comments which I used to enjoy. It's just...tiring... Maybe I should just wait for every week without checking DB? But, I love the recap.

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i come to here just for reading discussions about goblin-euntak and grim reaper-sunny relationship. at least in here there are some people who support them like me--but i didn't think that the comment section would be a mess

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Just laugh it off and move on. It doesn't bother me at all to be honest because we all interpret things differently.
Sometimes I do agree with some of the concerns but it's not enough to ruin my enjoyment of the show.

It's a fantasy genre, it's not meant to be taken seriously. It's magical, humorous and eye rolling at the same time but that's Kim Eun-sook for you.

Funny thing is I often felt like the writer is fan-girling over her own characters just as much as we do. I'm actually having fun watching her show just as it is.

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lol am i the only one not feeling the hype of this drama??

i feel like theres no plot? like last 2 episodes havent really moved in the plot department besides ET "proving" shes the bride..where does the plot go from there?

and omg a time jump HAS TO HAPPEN. the goblin literally falls for a child?? shes way too young!!!!

and i really really liked kim go eun in cheese in the trap...but i find her character SOO annoying in this drama! all these cutsey faces and pouts and what not...i cant

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Whenever I watch a show wishing for "something to happen" I know that show is not for me because I am putting plot line above character development. I enjoy every single second of all episodes thus far because I like learning more about the characters and how hey interact with each other.

This show is the opposite of W for me. I enjoyed W but mainly because I want to know what happens next...and eventually I stopped caring because the plot lost me and the characters couldn't hold me.

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Very true. Most dramas are not episodic in plot structure and focus on relationship building and other social interactions or character development. When you want concentrated plot, you can either choose a movie, or procedural dramas for safe choices.

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What is she exactly too young for??

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What if, i mean, most people speculate about Grim Reaper as the king and sunny was the queen but not in Goryeo era, but Joseon era. Calculated from the 300 years of money collected by Grim Reaper to rent the Goblin's house.
that's theory only.

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her cuteness, my god. time jump, time jump, please. i can't take the whole romance seriously with current ET character. i am so close to see them as daughter father. and for god sake, stop making her calling him ahjussi.

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yeah...its more like father daughter relationship. she keeps acting so annoying and "cute" and its making me get the creeps lol especially in the bg hearing him say "my first love"

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He IS an ahjusshi, not an oppa.
Calling him a goblin dehumanizes their interaction. Ahjusshi's have the right to love and as much right to be loved as well. Ahjusshis might not be lovable to everyone, but if someone can love them, let them be loved. (not that she loves him yet anw).
In sense and sensibilities, Marianne at first didn't love the colonel even though he loved her quietly. It's one of the most beautiful one-sided turned mutual love story told in literature. Just because one is old does not disqualify one from being loved, nor does it remove one's capacity for falling in love with someone lovable.

I didn't see anyone object to lee yeon hee calling song seung heon in east of eden ahjusshi even though she loved him. there are other dramas too where they start off with calling their love interest ahjusshi. I forgot.

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Helena I have read all those jane austen novels, so I know. Also, how is age a deciding factor for whom to get married to or fall in love with and whom not? Also, if this was in real life, and I for example get married to someone ten or fifteen years older than me, does this mean I have to defend my reasons too? We don't do that in real life, so why in dramaland? When we give so much shout about freedom of choice, but then is the choice really in our hands?

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Good grief. Stop watching this drama if you can't take it seriously. Stop wasting your precious time. We can't have everything we want in life. Just sayin'.

And He's an ahjussi. What is so wrong with that?

*pulling out hair*

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Lol @maya @Helena At least time is passing swiftly going through all these comments. I'm still amazed how we're keeping this thread alive till 4-5 days after the air time lol.

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Lol, I come here every day just because the weekend can't come soon enough, and going through the recap and screencaps makes me feel better. Indeed it's surprising to see the thread still alive. I guess a lot of us share the same reason? Lol.

I just luff this show. <3 <3 <3

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The story is beautiful. I agree that she isn't completely in love with him just yet; it's more of a guardian/friend type of love because she yearns for that companionship. If this story develops, I do believe there will be a time skip of some sort because in the trailer and promotional photos, the main girl is seen to be much more mature. And plus, I personally believe she is too young, not for him to be exact, but as mentally I do not think she is capable of feeling what he is feeling just yet. Also, there is a lot to develop between them. I am pretty excited.

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I'm appalled at the ageism attitude displayed in many comments on the recap post.

Just because something is unconventional does not mean it's wrong contrary to what many are thinking. There is plentiful evidence the kind of relationships they object to works in real life for many.

I keep seeing talk about emotional levels needing to match for a relationship to work. I would like to point out that it is not necessarily true. Emotional levels compatibility is what is needed.

Someone mature might find "immaturity" fresh and attractive. Not for everyone, but for some. Someone "immature" might find maturity something worth admiring and respecting.

And I speak witnessing a real-life scenario where the husband and wife complimented each other as such. She makes up for what his nature can't do as a quiet thoughtful man (in academia if this gives any indication), and he's the only one capable to handle her volatile personality with calm and patience and most of all, with love. It's quite beautiful, really. He indulges her, and she feels love and loves in return. She brings into his life things he never would have experienced otherwise with his nature. And she takes care of their 3 children and raised them to be social in a way he would have been incapable of doing. They are now grown adults, and the sister is my close friend.
All of them have grown into adults I respect, and anyone would respect (polite, intelligent (engineer, dentist, doctor intern), mature) and they admit readily even though they inherited their brains from their father, they learned how to live life properly from their mother. Their mother is not someone easy to handle because of her mood swings, but she brought so much to the family. It's why her husband fell in love with her, and still loves her. Anw, I wasn't intending to write so much, so I'll stop before I start spilling out someone else's entire life story. Pfft.

Please just know that what doesn't work for you can work for others and give them a happy life.

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I forgot. She married when she was young, 22. He was 21 years her senior, 43. He married late because he was too busy studying. Pfft. According to what she boasted, a doctor, much younger than him was pursuing her at the time, but she still chose her husband because she was attracted to his "adult" manner and liked to tease him.
He's not the best looking man either and my friend keeps complaining about her feeling sad whenever he gets misktaken as her grandfather, so he's not young looking either. The wife is quite beautiful, with good skin I envy even though I'm her daughter's age. Her daughter too barely ever had acne. ;lkdjfk;lskjf Darn those genes. Anw, point is, it doesn't matter how a couple "looks" to you.
If someone young looks old, and old looks young, does that disqualify them from loving someone their age too? If someone "young enough" but looks old enough to be mistaken as a father, then he can't love that woman? What kind of logic is that. Please leave looks out of your argument in love.

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@Helena Rightly said. I do think not all eighteen year old are like eun tak, but there are many like her, so people who're saying I am same age as her, but I don't behave that way. Well yes, you may not, because you are not her, and it won't be possible that every eighteen years old behave in the same way, but they do exist..those like eun tak, cheerful, feisty and still strong enough and resilient. So, stop putting them in your shoes, and vice versa.

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Yes. To this.

It's more of being complimentary (and suited) to each other. I personally might raise my eyebrows at the onset but if I see that they are very much suited to each other (like what Goblin and ET are obviously are with each other) --- I'd bend my conventional thinking too.

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Has anyone ever thought, instead of the drama making changing to suit you and what you're comfortable, you could open up your mind a bit more to something you're not used to? That maybe the problem is that some of the audience are feeling uncomfortable about something that isn't actually wrong?

Especially when it's not anything more "wrong" than two people connecting with each other and falling in love. There are couples in real life many would call an "odd" couple because they can't understand why one would fall for the other. Like maybe the looks don't match, the hobbies don't match, age don't match, families don't match, race don't match, et cetera. But they still fell in love. Some even stayed in love.

If shows had to change themselves for everything audiences felt uncomfortable with, we wouldn't see stories about older women/younger men, same-sex love, divorced couples, etc. In some cases, the audience need to open up their mind to accept that the love they are seeing is possible, that it is just another story about two people finding something to love in each other they didn't find in someone else.

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*instead of the drama making changes (like skip time or change age)

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I'm one of those who really don't find it a big deal that Goblin and ET have a huge age gap - maybe because it's just too in your face with ET always wearing a uniform and a backpack! I bet if she gets rid of it, and dresses differently, it wont matter too much.

I also am a bit apprehensive with the time jump - what will happen to Grim and Sunny's love and storyline? (If we are thinking of the usual Kdrama timejump of one year) -- it's not enough for the ET character to mature, IMO.

Just get rid of the uniform and the backpack and I think it will die down a little.

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Amazing how people can have completely different thought. :D It never even popped in mind for me to think Eun-tak was someone full of greed for wanting 5000 until I came to this recap. It was more like I thought she wanted it to jump start her hard life. Like she wanted to use it to assists her in solving her own problems and do things herself. It was her solution to becoming more independent kind of? I mean, that's how I interpreted it...

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Same!!!! I thought it showed and independent and resourceful spirit, it showed that Eun-tak believed in herself, that she could, if given the opportunity (part-time job or money), make something out of her situation. Unfortunately, everything I interpreted in a positive light, was seen as negative in the comments. :(

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It feels like the author is loading the deck for some kind of statement about materialism. He doesn't like it when the Chairman's grandson keeps asking for credit cards and such. After all he grandson brought the grim reaper to the house for the rent money. Cuz money doesn't buy you love. Looks like ET could loose out on the best things in life. We could be looking at a tragic flaw folks. The gift of the maple leaf doesn't cost anything and he treasures it. When he says he is making preparations is he getting his life in order before he dies and making sure her future is secure. That would be the ethical thing to do and the manly thing to do. Since she is going to be a widow pretty soon and all. Speaking of ethics, it is time for him to fess up about the resting in peace part of the deal.

So sweet when he tells her that the candles are beautiful. Such a lovely symbol of longing .Come to me, come to me, I will blow out every candle to bring you to me. Poetic in the extreme. Did you notice the buckwheat flower on page with the poem on it....perfect.

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And another thing. Notice how when he is standing around the elevator and the beautiful women walks by he doesn't blink an eye. He is just standing around waiting for a little candle smoke, God bless him.

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2nd viewing makes me appreciate what the actors are trying portray. Love the leads.

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The way he looks at Eun Taek melt my heart every time. Already rewatched their scenes like 1000 times. Love this couple soooooo much. 2 more days I can see them again in new episode, can't wait! ?

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*sigh* same sentiments here. And I realized that Gong Yoo has this wonderful ability to make her leading lady look like she's the only girl in the world (yes, I binge-watched him on YouTube!). Lol.

Perhaps he went to some secret acting school where he learned how to achieve that smoldering stare? Gahhh.

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x10000 likes from me. hahha

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I saw comments on soompi forums worrying about their daughters being negatively influenced by this drama, wishing it would take away the controversial elements. Since I don't have an account, I'll post here. :)

Phil wrote a comment on young people being influenced by the wrong thing.
http://www.dramabeans.com/2016/12/the-lonely-shining-goblin-episode-4/comment-page-3/#comment-2602120

To add to that, boys are as passionate about action films/war/video games and more as girls are passionate about romance when they are young. Many do not turn out violent.

A few do: parents have to ask themselves why. Is it the fault of the films and games, or is it their upbringing not giving them enough defense and critical thinking? What parents should be concerned with, more than addressing the drama, is addressing your children. If you do not want them to be influenced, educate them so that they won't get influenced. You can't shield them from every controversial behavior on the planet without creating a child incapable of dealing outside their bubble.

What you can do, is teach them about/how to deal with those problematic behaviors. Give them a good reason --instead of ordering them -- why they should avoid what you think is wrong. Teach them why they could be tempted, and why you think it would be a bad idea for them. And be willing to change your own mind if they provide a good reason of their own - who knows children might surprise you with a new way to look at things. This works with drugs, cigarettes, stealing, lying, cheating, and all the bad behaviors, not just romance.

The solution is not to censor creative content. You don't oppress controversial messages with censorship, it limits the world's potential for growth. What is not valuable to you, can be valuable to society as a whole. How to deal with controversial messages is not to suppress it, but to add on your own messages to counter it.

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Very very good points! Well said. But some parents are not going to like hearing it >.< Many people see red when their parenting is addressed. I work in childcare, and it's never the child or the parents' fault for many parents. The blame always goes somewhere else. :((( I hope if some of the parents who see this will understand your reasoning though. Bravo!

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uh oh.... this is sooooooo not going to go down well with some people.... even tho ur absolutely right ofc...
I mean, parents can always tell their daughters not to watch if it's so controversial... but if the daughters don't listen, good luck with stopping them. kids can do a lot of things these days... kids in china can even find ways to bypass the censorship there to watch forbidden dramas. tho the bigger problem then would not be about the drama's influence, but why the parents couldn't get their daughters to listen in the first place. ^__^""""""
plus, if their daughters have problem with disobedience, goblin should be at the bottom of their worries. there are so many popular shows out there with sooooo much worse examples to follow. ^____^""""" this is the age of the internet after all. ^___^

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Huuuul. I'm so glad I came back here again since Saturday!!!
I might have missed out on so many good arguments!!

Bravo to all the wonderful and insightful commenters. I wished those comments could be reposted somehow so that others could see them before bringing up more of the same arguments. But there are so many good points they probably wouldn't fit all in a comment. Hehe. Dramabeans users are smart.

I wished I could highlight all the comments I liked with a different color but I'm not an admin. Eh.

2 days left, hwaiting!!

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Can't believe the comments passed 700 since I came here (it was around low 600)!

Just came back here because I was rewatching Ep2 and I wanted to shout:

Kim Go Eun's acting chops are A+++++++++++ alpha.
Her expressions and transitions are on point. SO GOOD.

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Same thoughts. Her expressions and transitions are perfectly done.
I love her! I'd watch and pause parts of her conversations with Goblin and she is always on point even when she is not speaking or when the camera is not focusing on her.

I wish they were doing a movie together where it's not drawn out and film actors are at their best with doing less but effective.
Here she is expected to do more for more.

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the more I rewatch the episode, the more I am impressed with Kim Go Eun acting.

There are moments where it's like I'm seeing my friends in her, as if Eun-tak is not Eun-tak, but was possessed by one of my friends. Not always the same friend, but her acting always takes me back to one of them. I miss them, especially now that school break is going on. I think it plays a big part in why I'm getting so attached to her, almost irrationally.

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She definitely can act. Just compare the character she portrayed in CITT and her character here...totally different. I wish I could turn back the time and be as young, cheerful, and warm as her character here.

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It is not the age thing so much as the fact she is innocent of the ramifications of pulling out the sword and he, the older and wiser one, has all of the information and not sharing it. There is a real imbalance of power here. Isn't this why we are uncomfortable with May/ December relationships in general. One should not take advantage of the foolishness of youth; it just isn't fair and no amount of dining out is going to make it fair. But we do see him hold back, which is to his credit (this might be the unrealistic fantasy part, sadly older rich guys often feel entitled to what they want).

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But they aren't even in a relationship yet. She's not even in love yet. And he's just starting. Neither are being consciously serious about the relationship right now, so the talk about duty for each other as lovers at this point is a bit premature.
We're just at the stage where they are getting to know each other, and growing fond of each other with each new interaction. That's it. Not that serious.

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wat u said.

he just found out that she's his "bride," and is still processing that information on the situation, before getting 2 the point of giving information to her on the situation. at this point, she's the one "imbalancing" him ^____^ jumping in on his life, and not letting him room to process it.

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and it's normal for him at this point not to share. it's not like it's light stuff u can just blurt out when she's jumping around all excited. ^___^ how can he explain to her what's going on, when the poor man is still in shock and hasn't come to term with what happened... give him time.

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Hmmmm. Emotionally, according to the last shot of episode 4, he's the one at a disadvantage in the emotional balance right now. She's not serious, he's starting to be.
When or IF she pulls out the sword, then the emotional balance will be in his favor because she would have the emotional burden at that point. How much emotional burden (will differ if she loves him, just sees him as a mystical creature, ahjussi, savior or other...), we don't know. Because that is in the future and has not aired. We don't know the exact situation from that moment, and circumstances of the preview.

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Point taken and well said but I still think you are giving him a pass. He is sharing a lot of information with the Grimm Reaper about the power situation. He is telling her that she can say no to being the goblin bride but if she says yes without all the facts thats not cool. I have faith in him though, he has high standards.

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@Iamastonished
I think he's clearly in the wrong for not telling her, but I understand why he's delaying it, or why it's difficult for him. It's different with the Grim Reaper, who knows about the sword from episode 1, so he didn't really have to tell him anything, he already knew, and he's not at stake or risk.
Anyway, if he lets her be responsible for his death in the upcoming episode, he will be in deep trouble. I'm thinking Eun-tak will be the first in line to kill him (again). LOL.

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*Grim Reaper knew about the sword from before, but we knew that he knew about Goblin's history from Episode 2 (not 1) after Kim Shin protected Eun-tak from Grim Reaper and declared she was his bride

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I agree with "Iamastonished" that there is an uneven amount of information right now. Nevertheless, that information is not romantic because it involves the relationship of the two as "cursed goblin" and "sword-pulling wife savior." Not as man and woman: that will come only when the 2 decide to become each other's man and woman.

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Rite now, I'd qualify their relationship as:

Goblin ---> Euntak : intruder disturbing his unchanging life and emotional state after a millennium. Protegee.

Euntak ---> Goblin : benefactor. an outlet to escape physical miserable reality and emotional loneliness.

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@lei Love your distinction!
As benefactor/protegee or goblin/human, Kim Shin has the power (and literal powers).
As cursed/curse reliever, Eun-tak has the power (literal too) on his fate.
As older or more experience with the mystique/younger and less experienced with mystique, Kim Shin has more information.
As first love/unknown (perhaps crush?), Eun-tak has upper hand at this moment. She's clearly getting her way more than he does.

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*upper hand on emotional romantic state
*She’s clearly getting her way more than he does and controlling him during the past 4 episodes

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Nice summary :)

Not really a power thing... more of a balance thing.... but to add to your comment:

Euntak: material unhappiness, but full of life and hope for the future

Goblin: material fulfillment, but in wait for death and punished by divine pain

Both: Lonely souls.

Makes for a nice match doesn't it? :D

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good analysis and reasoning!!

but the romantic in me is struggling with the fact that it matters who has the "emotional upper hand" and who loves who more in a relationship. T___T I'm romantic so I think there's happiness too, in being able to love someone more, even though it's hard. T____T I just think instead of thinking like that, maybe we should think the person who loves the other more is experiencing a stronger happiness? :) I know, I know... cheesy :)

If I have to think about who has the advantage... they seems both inexperienced in love... and technically, our Goblin is the older one... but why do I have a feeling he will be the one struggling the most???? hehehehe. It just seems it's not in Euntak's personality to be much troubled about it :)

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I really love this drama. Is it me or is the cinematography for this A+?

Tho sometimes I really do have a problem following the tone of the drama, I still immensely enjoying it. I'm also loving the sprinkles of korean folklore into the narrative, tho i honestly can't identify most of them.

years of watching drama and reading books have me squinting at that old man from Paris, I feel like his story serves a bit more purpose than a side note in the goblin's "miracle" testaments or something.

And that book of poems! can somebody point me to a direction where I can get an english translated copy of that?

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Hi,

This is my first time posting. I would like to discuss on the storyline.

[SPOILERS FROM PREVIEW REMOVED]

The ghosts surrounding her keeps saying she's the goblin's bride cause of her birth mark while the Gods mentioned that only the Goblin's bride can pull it out. So, my Guess is that even though she is the destined one, to be able to pull out the sword, she actually has to marry him first? Officially be the bride?? They need to really fall in love with each other first??? Before she can pull out the sword.

This is my take. Some opinions please?

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It a fairy story and she is the maiden (I guess I should get over her being so young). The maiden usually gets married and lives happily ever after so I think she probably has to get married to meet all of the necessary requirements for sword extraction and happy ending. There is a lot of loose talk about miracles and I think there is one or more in store for the Goblin. She defiantly could pull the sword in episode 5 and be pretty tied off when she finds out that death was the expected result. The great thing about fairy stories is that there is always a moral to the story. Maybe the moral to the story is always be honest with your bride. Be careful what you wish for or be kind to those who love you or all of the above. This author is leaving lots of bread crumbs to follow. such as " The afterlife is a U turn".

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Can someone tell me why the tea cup of forgetfulness it sitting on a bed of nails. I think I am in a culture gap.

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Because it was as painful as swallowing nails when drinking the liquid (I read a folklore about it once, that drinking the tea of forgetfulness/water from river lethe/soup lady meng as painful as chewing nails, with the pain scale equivalent to the pain of memory you want to forget and only the karma you conducted while living ease the pain away.

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Pulling out the sword will not instantly kill the goblin, it'll only removed his curse of immortality.
So once the sword remove he will turn to a normal human, who can die and get sick.... I think.

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While Eun Tak may act immature and overly cute, I think people are forgetting that she grew up seeing ghosts!

Perhaps her bubbly personality is merely a way to deal with that.

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I THOROUGHLY DISAGREE with the opinion that acting cute is a sign of immaturity or youth.

I am in my 40s, and I still act cute (along with aegyo voice) with my husband, and also my brother. Occasionally my boss too, but she's a close friend so it isn't as bizarre as it sounds.
When I act, it's my way to signal affection and excitement. It doesn't mean I am immature (and unfortunately, it can't mean I am young :( ). I'm raising 2 children, on top of working and housework, and let me tell you, I'm not one to praise myself but that requires maturity.

Acting cute allows me to feel a level of excitement and happiness, and sometimes coquetry, in a moment of unadulterated joy equal to a level I felt frequently in my youth. It is a result of feeling comfort and closeness to the person you are addressing. And THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. That is all there is too it.

My husband is not creepy for liking it either, thank you very much. By the by, my brother is nearing 50, and he still shows his cute side to my parents. He the co-owner of his own company, responsible for around 50 employees last I've heard.

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It is a result of feeling comfort and closeness to the person you are addressing.

T.H.I.S. x1000000 S.O. M.U.C.H.

Thank you for explaining it so well. Acting cute shows affection, a desire to receive affection and be liked, comfort, closeness, a desire to share the moment.

I can understand when it doesn't suit everybody's taste, but acting cute is not indication of creep factor, or "maturity gap." The idea that being cute is somehow a sign of Eun-tak being immature is off. It's surprising how much I've seen that being throw around everywhere in forums and discussions. Not when Sunny is left alone, going around flipping her hair as if in a L'Oreal tv ad. SOMEHOW. >>>___<<<<

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^^+100
Yes, we tend to miss the important points that we know by heart, until someone voice it out loud, and explain it right?

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flipping her hair as if in a L’Oreal tv ad
That's funny last dance. It seems to be working on the the Reeper. The old flip and giggle gets em every time.

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I don't know how some people assume giving Eun-tak a time skip, or making her older would make her cute disappear. Acting cute is not reserved to schoolgirls. Some people naturally like acting cute. Ma Dong Seok even got himself the ahjussi-crush moniker of Mavely: stands for Ma-lovely because of how he acts. :D

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It's not about the cuteness. It's about him romancing a high school kid. It's uncomfortable, I'd prefer if she wasn't a high schooler for the whole drama. That's all.

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Lol Fahaze I am glad I came up to your post, this is honestly some hilarious and refreshing confession that I have read in this thread, till now. Everyday of course there are new and new insights, and new discoveries, so can't say enough,how much laughs you are giving me right now, of course in a good way.
Just wanted to say you're 100% right, I have this friend who's 30 something, who also acts cute with her husband as you said. And they talk in an utterly indecipherable manner, so it's like their own language which may sound annoying and cheesy to you, but for them it's something intimate and up close it's something they share, which may be utterly unexplainable for other people.

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I couldn't care any less about the age gap. She's 19, legal age. Maybe his character needs an innocent so he can now see the world through her eyes instead of his eyes that has seen some pretty horrid things in his life.. I love this drama. I really hope that I am not left with my heart being torn out by the main characters dying. That has me really worried. PLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE BE A HAPPY ENDING!!!!

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I dunno it looks like they're a both all in. She lite a lot of candels and he looks badly smitten (thump). It is time for a proper courtship.

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in response to some keen eyes on comment site:
1. Goblin indeed have power to summon gold and wealth, but that power (as in many Asian folklore) were not power of creation, rather it was power that came from stealing. So all that gold bars, are stolen goods.
2. A girl who were married to a goblin, were usually that...Girl... because in many Asian folklores Goblin won't marry a girl who reach their second decades, the younger the better (I don't know why this come but yes, the folklore do exist). If it's older than that, the goblin would make them as their mama.
3. Once a girl become a goblin bride, she will have eternal life but her soul tainted therefore her body will be empty, leaving a wide gap for another souls to filled in (which is why all the female ghost want to help ET, secretly hoping they could live back).
4. Goblin's weapon have different shapes all around the continent, but most I've read are arrows and knifes (shaped from air/fire/water)

I'm just a girl who loved fairytale and folklore so much which is why I read so many--emphasized on MANY--fairytale books from around the world.

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Interesting observations!

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Hee... I was just re-watching Ep 1-4 (for the 3rd time!), when I realised that the drama that Grim Reaper/Lee Dong Wook was watching at Goblin's home seemed to be from "Bubblegum", his previous TvN work.

I thought the 2 scenes were familiar. One (cant recall which episode) was when Haeng-Ah was talking to her sunbae at a rooftop? Second scene (in Goblin Ep 4, when Goblin and GR acting out symptoms of mental breakdown) looked like when Haeng-Ah was moving her things on the office chair in the rain in Bubblegum ep1?

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Maybe i will feel differently when I binge this but I am having a problem with the pace of the directing. It feels a little choppy and out of rhythm. Also I question the casting. Not the performances The scenes capture the characters but the scenes jerk topic to topic and it feels a little uncomfortable. We could learn a lot about the Goblin with a little information about his library or his art collection. Also the Reaper is in his tea room which is a beautiful set but the Director could show us some details about those beautiful cups. The reaper could tell us about pride in his work, some deaths are beautiful, some deaths relieve pain and are merciful.The characters could show more interest in each other, there seems to lack team work here.

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i don't think you're watching Goblin lol

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lol

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dddont laugh, I say this with love...

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What if she knows about the sword because Grim Reaper sent her a message (and she received it) in the juice/cafe shop, and then remembered what her mother told her about what SamShin grandma told her mother on Goblin's tale. Of course, this speculation of mine works on the condition that Samshin grandmother described what the sword looked like to the mother off-screen.

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Oh, and she knows the position because he pointed at his chest when he asked her after she burned the squid.

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possible but improbable.

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The issue with age, consent and how old she should be is really funny, first when we saw the preview, no, when they announced that Gong yoo and she were going to do the drama, we automatically knew she was going to be young, so it wasn't a surprise because he wasn't going to get any younger and she wasn't going to get any older. Two, it is a story about a Goblin and a girl who is her destiny, judging by the red scarf, (I've watched enough Korean dramas to know it), it is fantasy, if we add to that, how many 25 or 27 year old women do you know who still believe in goblins or superstitions except from the one from that other drama, but we hated her at times for it, so they had to go with a 19 year old girl to make it into a fantasy, because at that age you believe just about anythingg, third he wasn't looking for her it just happened because they are destined by the fate or the old lady to save each other. and lastly it is a Korean drama not a documental.

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Eun Tak's a cheerful character and I like how she affects Shin but I think she's too self-centered. She makes everything all about her.

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Thanks for the recap ??

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