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Open Thread #748

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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After a small drama watch slump, I started to look back to find older shows. It opened the question of who is you current favorite actor or actress? Mine is CHO YEO JEONG.

The first series I saw her in was Ms. Perfect where she played a perfect sociopath. I have watched her shows since I find her performances very good. It is hard to find her earlier work, but I did see the film Casa Amor, which in 2015 was a controversial but very funny film.

She rarely gives interviews so it is hard to pinpoint her personality. But she said she liked to challenge herself, but the roles she took early in her career (R-rated movies) were a great risk that rewarded her creativity and popularity. Her last work, her challenge was to speak English in High Class. She gained international recognition in Parasite. She does not fit into one genre of work which is refreshing since many actors get pigeoned holed in one type of role. I do not know what her next project will be but I look forward to it.

What actor's next project are you looking forward to the most?

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Oooh... I watched four of the Cho Yeo-jeong projects: the two films, Casa Amor and even the Academy Award 2019 best picture Parasite and the two Kdramas starring her, Cheat on Me If You Can and High Class.

...and of course, one of my fave actors Song Joong-ki's next project was his JTBC Kdrama The Youngest Son of a Conglomerate.

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Cho Yeojung is great.

My current fav actress will be Chu Ja Hyun. She was impressive as Asa Hon in arthdal, the first movie I saw her in, and her subsequent projects haven't disappointed. Han Ye-ri and Go HyunJung comes close first.

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So you had to like My Unfamiliar Family! :D

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My Unfamiliar Family had family relationship as one of its themes; family theme is one of my drama Achilles and the hook that drew me in. Then it had a cast I couldn't resist. Jung Jin-yeong, Han Ye-ri and Chu Ja Hyun. Couldn't pass a combo of the three.

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Those are three of my favorite actresses as well!

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I watched Reset for two days in a row. That was a good one! (did every time loop, including related people, also get reset when the couple just left?).

Now, any recommendation for other c-dramas?

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*spoiler alert*

There was a reset every time, affecting everyone but the main couple. If they managed to avoid death, the loop would be triggered by sleep, and it only ended when everyone on the bus and outside of it (such as the officers) was saved.

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Disney+ sucks.

MLB owners can go eff themselves.

Russian Olympic Committee? -- less appealing than an open sewer.

Thank you for your time.

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such a horrible travesty for all of the ice skaters....

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👍🏼 Yeah, I’m having that kind of day as well 🤦🏼‍♀️

also, my Senator should resign at once 🤬

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lol and lets not even mention the Canadian prime minister...

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Beanies, what actions do you think can be helpful during the first days of grieving?
A dear family friend lost an adult son to a sudden cardiac event this week. She has two daughters nearby, so she’s not alone. She also has a strong support system of friends and is well cared for. I often don’t really know how to react to situations and people and have little experience with grieving myself, so I’d be glad to hear your opinion. What could be helpful without overstepping? So far, I thought of dropping off a light meal or some cookies.

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Dropping of a light meal or cookies is a good one.
As per what to do, one thing I found helpful was to be there, even though I didn't know what to say. And occasions when I had to give condolences, I reduced my sentences and talk time since I had no experience on what to say.

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Bring food
Help with chores/housework (if possible)

Or simply ask if she is coping and avail yourself when she needs help

In my experience, people always remember small acts of kindness over big gestures when they experience tragedy

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To dwell is really helpful for the grieving process. If she wants to tell whatever, just listen. And cookies are excellent, that way she'll have something to offer with coffee whilst dwelling.

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The most important thing is to be there for her - even if she seems distracted in the moment. Listen to her, and try to figure out what she really needs, whether it is food or help with chores or even just taking time to care for herself.

The one thing I found most helpful in terms of food was when someone brought us breakfast food - egg sandwiches that could be easily reheated, bread, fruits, tea bags, etc. It's so strange, but that's what I remember being extra grateful for. We were blessed with an amazing community who gave us so much, but there was a lot of heavy food which was hard to finish.

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Two of my friends lost their spouses three years ago. Some things your friend might find helpful:
- If you drop off a meal, use containers they don't have to return; it's one less thing for them to think about. Giftcards to restaurants and grocery stores are really nice, too. And breakfast foods always seem to get left out of mealtrains.
- Mark the dates of your friend's son's birth and death on your calendar as recurring events; send her a card and/or text on those dates (I include all of the holidays that may be hard, too, like Valentine's and Christmas and any other special dates) forevermore; they'll always miss their son, even if their grief looks different a decade from now.

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may i suggest that you offer a meal (that can be stored/frozen or reheated later) AFTER the memorial service or funeral, if they have one. everyone comes to bring food, provide support during the time before the service/burial... but the QUIET that suddenly follows the service is what i remember being such a stark change. it illustrates that life goes on, but your sorrow still lingers... maybe send a note or flowers during the month following?

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Gosh, Beanies are brilliant, you all have come up up with all the recommendations (and comments) from this article ❤️
I really like the advice here on what not to do.
Remember that it’s not about you, try to put yourself in the bereaved’s place and consider what would feel helpful. Offer specifics like taking or picking up dry cleaning, doing laundry, running to the grocery, even weeding. And especially keep it up later after everyone else has moved on.
I found the most helpful thing for me after a shocking loss was that my friends just listened and listened.

How Not to Help a Friend in Need
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/well/help-friend-support.html?referringSource=articleShare

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First, sending a card with your condolences and a memorial, if you can, is a good start.

Second, if you see that others are giving the family lots of food, maybe hold off on that for now. The food, and the containers, can be overwhelming and a logistical puzzle that might be too much for the family right now. That said, in a few weeks, bring a treat and/or a light meal. Even a gift card to a favorite eatery or coffee shop or something would be good. And if they want company, some conversation. Let them lead and maybe offer a nice memory of the son.

Third, tell the family you're sorry for their loss, but do not say anything like "he's in a better place," or "I know how you feel." Just your empathy is what is needed and appreciated.

Others have given really good suggestions here, but these were just some things that have been helpful for me in the last two years with the death of my father and my sister. Just know their grief may not look like what yours might and to not make any judgments.

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I can't say I know exactly what to do since I have yet to lose an immediate family member, but I'd probably want a hug. (I feel bad my response isn't as long or well thought out, but I just think I'd want a hug).

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Being there and letting them talk if they want to. No need for advice.

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Have you ever experienced watching a drama happily when all of a sudden the writer pulls the rug from under your feet and slaps you in the face with some kind of twist?!
Well, that's me watching Prison Playbook and now I'm terribly upset, not sad upset, just very disappointed by the choice the writer made for Hanyang/Looney's character!

I have been expecting a sad ending for him since the beginning because of spoilers, basically, but I didn't know details...well, that was just terrible, cheap writing in my opinion, and I can't get over it! How can they erase 15 episodes of character development in seconds just like that?! It just made no sense the way it all played out..he deserved so much more as a character! :(

I can't even bring myself to continue watching right now, and it's as if I suddenly forgot about all the good, fun and well made aspects of the show!
I'll probably finish the few episodes I have left later, but I won't be able to enjoy them as I have been doing 'till now *sigh*
Anyways, end of rant, sorry for being dramatic!! xD
Happy Friday to all! ^^

P.S. no, the Racket Boys cameo doesn't make up for it either! :((

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I watched Prison Playbook long before Racket Boys and his cameo was such happy moment for me. I had the time to mourn the end of his story at least :p

The thing that frustrated me the most was the Police. Didn't they have other things to do? Wait for a ex-convict to tempt him was pretty shabby.

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Yeah, sadly it seems like the cute cameo doesn't work retroactively for me 😅

..and yup!! That whole set up with the police was a mess, it made no sense to me!
Also, addiction is a terrible thing and having the police wait for someone to fall into old habits any minute won't help anyone..people with addictions need help and treatment first, not punishment..it seems like the writer doesn't agree with this though :/

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I easily wrote it off because of the police involvement. It was a cheap set up (by the writer) and the only thing that annoyed me about the drama. If they wanted it to make me sad, it didn't work for that reason.

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True!!
That didn't make me sad, just angry, tbh ><

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Sorry to have to put it this way but you have now joined those of us who live watched PRISON PLAYBOOK and were devastated by that scene. Drug addiction in a b****.

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Uhh!! That must have been even more terrible, with no warning! 😭
At least I was sort of expecting it :(

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however, it provided the dose of reality. after prison release - crime, drug use has a very high recidivism rate...

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Maybe, but the way they portrayed it was very disappointing and upsetting, for me...basically every character got their second chance but Looney...even the bald gangster that seriously hurt (and at one point wanted to kill) Jehyuk was treated better in the end..

Also, they forgot about reality throughout most of the show, they could have been consistent and do that with Looney's story too :(

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I understand where you are coming from and I don’t want to reopen old wounds. Frankly I don’t remember exactly how it all went down (and I am not going back there) but I remember thinking at the time, ‘what was his family and companion thinking?” They should have been right outside the door when he was released.

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That's true, and I guess I would draw from it too that the police also have a lot of lessons to learn in how to treat addicts released from prison.

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@bong-soo oh my heck I totally thought that too haha. Even if they wanted to meet me somewhere else I would have wanted them to know they aren't alone and be there for every minute. Gosh dang it I hated those scenesTT TT

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@marcusnyc20 bong-soo that's true, they should have...that family had good intentions a lot of times but never did the right thing from the start, imo! very sad :(
I'm still blaming the writer though! xD

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Oh my gosh that ending. Yeah... I had to re-write that in my head. He was doing so well. I was devastated. However, I do feel like the show made a pointed statement that just because they humanized all the inmates doesn't mean they weren't also still criminals. Not everyone who was addicted or commits a crime reforms, no matter how badly we want them to.

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My slap-in-the-face drama was 'Oh My Baby'. There was nothing to dislike about that drama until the world's most pointless noble idiocy trope appeared at the 3/4 mark.

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I'm not familiar with the show, but just the mention of noble idiocy makes my skin crawl, so I understand!! xD

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I got a booster shot last Monday (February 14)!

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Yay!

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It is very fortunate we have Netflix oversea (in my case, Canada) that we can see 3 K-drama shows this time around. I am pretty sure I will take Thirty-nine, the other 2 shows, Forecasting Love and Weather and Twenty-five, Twenty-one, not so much. Both I watched 15 minutes to half shows, but I really can't immerse into the craziness of Kim Tae-ri character (Who want to beat someone up just to change school? Just not me) although her performance is excellent. On the other hand, I found Rachel Park Minyoung and Song Kang's characters a bit recycled, although story in an agency like Emvironment Canada (which forecast weather) interesting, like the Park Rangers in Jirisan, both the mountain physically and the K-drama which bear the mountain's name.

I know Thirty-nine may not be as popular as the two other shows, partly because of Jeon Mido's character is kind of a mistress (not exactly a mistress: she never sleeps with the guy she love--my English vocabulary is a bit limited, can someone enlighten me with the proper wording?), but I admire the screenwriter's courage to show us the story of a character like Jeong Chanyoung, despite the morality of such character (Korean audience and netizens really dislike this); as well Jeon Mido's courage to portray this character (especially for a Christian like her: she even recite a Bible script on the top of her Instagram). The plot is even laid out in the open: she will die of cancer in the end (Funny is that she was a brain surgeon in her last drama and die of brain cancer this one. Maybe she can consult her last life for cure?). Also the story about 3 close friends are refreshing ... I can talk about it forever, but my point is, I am already excited about it.

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Your English vocabulary is limited? It's better than half the American public.

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Thanks, @imperialtitus, your knowledge and recommendations are always much appreciated. Although I am currently on a drama watching binge, I am reserving Thirty-nine for later but am looking forward to it. My one worry that its the "fallen" woman who is the one dying--it sounds a little bit too much like the old Hollywood code that said criminals couldn't have a happy ending because that would be rewarding vice. But it sounds like it will be handled a little better than that.

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"My one worry that its the "fallen" woman who is the one dying"

Is it, @hacja? I am not sure, because there is only 1/6 of the whole drama aired. But according to the two episodes I watched, I don't think they are portraying Chanyoung in a negative light, I even pity her--the scene she watches him leaving office with his wife is poignant. Chanyoung is a pretty complex yet tragic character (Not even Son Yejin's character can match it--My suggestion about Son is: if you want to watch her real acting ability, watch her movies instead--I strongly recommend her The Last Princess), and it's a pleasure to see her here.

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I find Chan Young's character so interesting and Jeon Mido is absolutely nailing her role. She both frustrates me and makes me want to give her a big hug. She's such a grey character and I hope we get some back story on why she can't seem to move on from a married man. A man she hasn't had any physical relations with but somehow spent all her 30s pining over. The end of episode 2 got me teary...SYJ's crying scene was wow.

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Son Yejin's acting ability is pretty excellent, but I have to admit the K-dramas she is in doesn't give her much chance to showcase her great acting--Probably Crash Landing on You is one of a few which does (congratulate to her and her first love--if you know what I mean), but compare to some of her movies, those are still pieces of cake: think about that, she plays the last princess of Joseon Dynasty, being forced to live in exile in Japan, longing to go back home but can't do that until in her 60's, and with Schizophrenia ... talking about her crying scenes, this is second to none (and think about that, she made sure the movie can go out she even invested in money for that ...)

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I don’t think Chan-young is depicted as a negative character. A complex one, perhaps, a woman who made mistakes and is starting to regret them. But definitely not a “fallen woman” character. Her fate is tragic, but I don’t think the narrative meant for it to be a “punishment” for her mistakes. If anything, I’d say that the drama argues we should sympathize with Chan-young and how much she tried to make that relationship work, even if she was doomed from the start since her lover refuses to leave his marriage.

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I think the term you are looking for is an "emotional affair," The couple apparently had a BF/GF relationship that got derailed when he got his future spouse pregnant. He took responsibility for the child and got married, but his feelings were not over for Chanyoung. There are more than platonic friends hanging out because one or both still have emotional feelings for the other.

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I dont think 'not sleeping with the guy' make a cut for a relationship is an affair or not. Sometimes the 'emotional' affair is the one that hurts the most. I like Jeon Mido character and sad she is one who dies. I wish she lives and see how brave and creative the writer will make closure of the relationship.
The guy is a selfish jerk. How he asked her to stay by his side when he is not planning to divorce. When she wants break up, he keeps meeting her with excuse because he cares cue sending her studying overseas, eating outside together *rollseyes* It makes harder for her. He hurts both women.

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I'll probably drop the one you're the most excited about. Knowing how Mi Do's story will end annoys me but I do like the friendship angle a lot. I'm all in on Twenty Five Twenty One and love the emotional and wacky teen fencer beginning.

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I quit on the Olympics last week even though the feats of strength, endurance, agility, grace, etc. etc. are amazing. It was partly because of what @halofan68 is referring to with the drugging of a 15 year old--but I just begin to tire of the general exploitation of extraordinary young female athletes. I really think Eileen Gu, for example, for all her athletic brilliance, is making a terrible mistake. At least shes a little older and able to think more for herself, but was it her carefully considered choice to become a propaganda sports sex symbol? Who knows what pressures--financial, familial, cultural she faced?
To move toward an equally somber take on this topic, my wife and I are watching the college romance/comedy Weightlifting Fairy from different eyes, maybe, than most. My wife was a collegiate athlete and was playing on a variety of adult sports clubs when I met her; my daughter followed in her footsteps (no help from my genes!) Even though I think the show is doing a good depiction of camaraderie/tensions of being on a team, I can't help cringing a little at the so far accurately shown pressures on the "femininity" of the weightlifters. I especially worry that the main character's first crush runs a weight loss clinic (I'm sure that will be dealt with as an issue--if it isn't I'll be pretty mad at the writers!) On my daughters college team there was an unfortunate prevalence of eating disorders which were treated quite cavalierly by coaches.
Anyway, I don't mean to be Mr. Depresso, so I'll just say that so far this weightlifting-swimming sports romance is doing a lot better job at depicting athletics than Run On, where the writers made movies the theme rather than running. Don't get me wrong, I loved the female lead in that show, but with a title like Run On, I sure expected a lot more reflection on running and the pressures of competition (although I did find the depiction of hazing on South Korean sports clubs kind of interesting, if a little exaggerated.) I know its pretty hard to combine a romance movie or show with a realistic sports theme, though, since one stories tropes always tend to overwhelm the other.
Sorry for the dyspeptic post today!

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I didn't watch the Olympic from the beginning. Ask an Uyghur or a Hongkonger for detail (I am especially offended because they utilized an Uyghur athlete to be the last torchbearer--I know it through news report, not watching the live broadcast--to complete their propaganda show, then showing right away her family, which consisted of only women, watching her on TV. My question: Where are those men?).

I congratulate you for making this same decision as well.

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Eileen Gu and her mother made a calculated decision to skate for China to get those $30M endorsement fees, and I strongly believe that the decision will come back to bite her in the arse very quickly as geopolitical tensions between US and China continue to sour.

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I hope she's got her citizenship/immigration status correctly sorted out for income and possibly expatriation taxes, as well as for attending Stanford in person.

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She is a dual citizen of both countries.

China doesn't officially allow dual citizenship, but the rules are different for the "elite". The Huawei chairman's daughter was imprisoned in Canada for a bit had like 3 different passports on her.

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Then she pays US income tax on her worldwide income regardless of where she lives or where the money is earned.

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There was a video on youtube how the ice skating was problematic because the women was more and more younger. After 20 years, it's like it was over for them... they really need to adresse this issue.

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It's an issue specifically with the Russian ladies skaters who train with Eteri Tutberidze.

Russians have a different mindset when it comes to sports. For them, the sacrifice is worth it for gold and glory, and the end justifies the means.

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Here to echo your sentiments, @hacja, and those of @halofan68, with regards the Winter Olympics. I alternate between livid rage and hysterics over the dystopian horror of the scandal. If this was a K-drama, we'd be tearing the screenwriter to shreds for their lack of imagination (a water glass, really?!) and bemoaning the utter makjangfest that it is. Instead, we are watching real people's lives ruined in real time.

Also, @songxrising, how interesting. I had wondered about her choice, given said country's record on various...issues.

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I'm streaming from Peacock. Ice hockey and figure skating. Supposed to be commercial-free but not completely. Every single routine is shown. It's kind of like the good ol' days when TV showed almost all the figure skaters skating. Replays also cut out commercials. No commentaries. No pointless fluff pieces plaguing Olympics prime time shows. The cameras stay inside the arena. Haven't noticed any propaganda.

Every now and then, during intermissions, I'm like, "This song is not banned in China?!"

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On Dramabeans site -- if you click on "follow" some beanie, where can you see the feed? I want to see what they are up to, but apparently, I need to go directly to the home page of each beanie I follow and look up their feed separately, correct? There's no single feed to see all of their posts, correct? What is the logic behind the "follow" button then?

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I was a bit confused about that too. Since, all the feeds look to be in the beanie tab I wasn't sure the point of it.

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Following someone doesn't really do anything. Way back in the day, there had been some plan of something, but that never came to fruition.

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

I really, really should stop voicing my wishes and complaints here, because the deities in charge of my real life always eavesdrop!😅They thought I got too idle and bored, and suddenly relatives left and right got shook up with death, covid or other health issues. Empathy is never misplaced in these circumstances, but I found myself feeling more upset than usual, having nightmares and feeling unwell.🙁

Naturally I did some introspection and was able to trace the origins to an offhand comment at the end of January that my brain spun into a false narrative that distorted my point of view and mood this month. Fortunately, I swiftly dealt with anything that could maintain this narrative and I am now taking a breather weekend before I try to save the remainder of my February. Cooking seems to be therapeutic, so tomorrow I am helping prepare the side dishes and dessert for a small lunch party on Sunday.🧑‍🍳There are also lots of shows and movies to check out, so hopefully something catches my eye and distracts me for a bit.📺

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Wow, excellent techniques in realizing where the problem originated, and dealing with it! Enjoy the cooking and the breather weekend.

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Thank you, the therapist helped a lot! Strange how some things can bother you, but you never realize how much they bother you until much later. :)

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The last 20+ days have been so ridiculous. Police literally handed out leaflets! Twice! And today media is pointing out the occupiers still have their kids in the area (https://twitter.com/Justin_Ling). Ugh.

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Ugh we’re getting protesters here too and none of them really seem to know what they’re protesting about or why. Some of them are peaceful (just destroying the livelihood of everyone in the area while they protest the fact that their freedom has been curtailed by coronavirus restrictions, because two wrongs make a right 🙄), some of them are abusive and throw eggs at school kids for wearing masks and send death threats. It’s really frustrating but I don’t know what the solution is. Half of them seem to think we live in America and that Trump is a relevant leader in our country.

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I so love your “because two wrongs make a right”.
DUH, people 🤦🏼‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

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I’m trying very hard to practice being understanding and kind, but it’s very hard sometimes 🙃

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Yeah, between swastika's all over the flag and a Sherp (100k+ all terrain vehicle) getting towed, its hard to see this as anything but people with means having a tantrum about needing to put a piece of fabric over their face sometimes (or extremist views disliking the government). But then the bully tactics really stop it seeming like a protest and instead like a long term threat.

I wish there was some kind of solution. It was really sad to see all levels of government trying to pass off the situation to another level.

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I don’t know if this is heresy but I have an idea for the “new” Dramabeans. Move the 5 actor interviews to lower on the page. They’ve been there a really long time, there probably aren’t really many people who haven’t watched them, and they make me think the site isn’t doing anything new every time I have to scroll past them to get to what I want, which is Recent Posts and Prime Time Shows This Week. New interviews could still go right on top, or under the “donate” banner like now.

Just a suggestion for “freshening”.

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It's true, those old interviews give a wrong impression of the site. I wish they were gone.

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