Beanie level: Chaebol’s poor doppelganger

When he’s leaving South Korea, his name is Lee Tae-hoon 이태훈, born May 2, 1986. Anyone ring the bell?
#Vincenzo

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Lots of people blaming screenwriter killing off Hanseo ‘coz they’ve forgotten Vincenzo has asked him (& Chayoung) to leave to avoid danger in advance, and they both want to stay and fight with him.

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    I died with him so no complaints here.
    Good Heavens he was the most beautiful in that last scene.

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      All his life he want the most common brotherly love,
      and glad he get it in the very end.

      His soul is so pure …

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Man in Black …

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Ok, it’s just appetizer …

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    End of Ep.17 guessing …
    Since Vincenzo has a hacker beside him, so I guessed he switch his photo of himself into Hansoo’s, and let Hansoo be arrested instead of himself. I will also guess he will share his gold in the underground vault with his now family members in the plaza. I guess that will be a lot easier, right?

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She knows she will die soon, but knowing her end like that, this scene is especially brutal.

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    How good is Yoon Bok In in her arc on this series.

    Great casting choice, for sure.

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I don’t understand why: 1. delay 1 episode to know who Joon-woo really is, and 2. put a gun on his head, since we all know he won’t die next episode.

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    Yeah I’m not sure either. I can semi understand why they didn’t find out it was Joon Woo straight away since it would have been too easy and make Joon Woo seem like a sloppy villain if he used his fake name, allowing them to connect the dots that easier. Then again the fact he used his real name was also kind of stupid.

    I thought it would be actually a pretty good plot twist if Joon Woo was shot and Vincenzo & crew thought that everything was over, only for Han Seo to be even worse. The only explanation I can think of for Vincenzo not wanting to kill Joon Woo off straight away is because Joon Woo seemed to want to be killed. Instead Vincenzo doesn’t want to give him what he wants and keep torturing by not letting him foresee his death.

    Hopefully Show will have a good explanation for it.

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      Yeah, @letseatcookies, I hope the show is not that straight forward. If Han-seo has intentionally leaked Joon-woo’s name to Vincenzo (he hinted about that to Attorney Han earlier in this episode), that will be interesting, and Han-seo turns out to be a more evil villain, it will be even better. But you know, that gun shot may not be from Vincenzo’s gun (Han-seo has one, too, and he may let Attorney Han to handle it, since he is the more experienced one on weapon). Let’s see if the show goes this route in few hours, because I am fearing the show will collapse …

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        I think the show has been doing well in given us something unexpected so it will be fine. Although I admit that I’m holding a very neutral outlook on the overall plot because it keeps the ride more entertaining. Also because the show doesn’t seem to take itself seriously too. But fingers crossed for the plot to thicken.

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        In fact, I thought HanSeo is the one shooting to Vincenzo. Jang brothers live together, and “saving” JoonWoo buys HanSeo time to plan how to get rid of him leaving no trace, but even so… this was too sudden.

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    After Ep. 12, I guess I’ve under-estimate this screen-writer …

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      That’s a good thing right?

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        Yes, I think, @letseatcookies.

        The gun is shot by someone else, and it is part of Vincenzo’s plan, which I think is, at least reasonable (and he does this because he cares Cha-young, because he doesn’t only want to kill Joon-woo, sweet). Han-seo shoots Joon-woo in another occasion, and when that happens, I have to stop the drama for a time just to cool down (That is a very tense scene). The twist in the safe is another great scene as well.

        But the most shocking scene is about that Guillotine File. The show premise is “Evil will come to defeat evil,” but what if the whole echelon of the society leadership is one whole big mafia? We may need more than just one evil to deal with it …

        Actually the show is getting more and more silly, but it is in a Stephen Chow’s way (and well, Stephen Chow is now officially mentioned in this drama, so we know the spirit inspired by this whole drama is truely from him, at least somehow)

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          Excited to see how the plot thickens but I’m glad we get the silliness to balance out the violence and more serious parts.

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Ok, I’ve lost interest now. Just a psychopath villain like a B-rate comedy …
#Sisyphus

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    To be honest, he is making me want to go back and watch Pegasus Market all over again.
    I LOVED him in that show!
    He will always be doing that Flashdance scene in my mind. Or with the Sunflower mask. sigh…

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Always love that shower head.

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And oh my god, he is the big boss!!
(Interesting …)
#Vincenzo

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    For those who already know who he is, I would say: This is a clash between Italian Mafia and American crime family …

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      What American crime family?

      Babel is a Korean company with Korean members leading it. Yeah, the intern was born there, but his family is Korean.

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        Not a specific crime family, but the guy did study in the United States, to say the least because he always use English, and he plays ice hockey.

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          Hockey is a sport created and popularized in Canada, a different country in North America.

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            And by the way, @larelle79, don’t lecture me about Ice Hockey, I am a Canadian (or, in my term, it is simply called “Hockey”, and the one play on other surface is called “Field Hockey”), and there’s a hockey team in my city (Toronto Maple Leafs).

            And please also note that NHL (the highest professional hockey league in North America) has 31 teams, only 7 of which are in Canada, and the last time a Canadian team winning the Stanley Cup (Montréal Canadiens) is 1993, so Americans are pretty familiar with hockey as well.

            *The 7 Canadian teams:
            Vancouver Canucks
            Calgary Flames
            Edmonton Oilers
            Winnipeg Jets
            Toronto Maple Leafs
            Ottawa Senators
            Montréal Canadiens
            (By the way, “Canadiens” is a right spelling, because that word doesn’t mean people of the country of Canada, in case you don’t know)

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        I would rather say it is a clash of Italian and American culture in terms of crime dealing.

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          He has a company based in Korea. So are you saying that Korea is this utopia that does not have the mafia?

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            No. I am saying it is a clash of culture between American (Obviously he studied there) and Italian (where Vincenzo is from) mafia culture. If you watch K-drama enough (as well this very K-drama implied) the government officials and the cheobols are pretty much some kind of “legal mafia” of South Korea.

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            This is pretty obvious he born in Korea, as well the company is a Korean one, but he is also the only guy putting foreign language (English) in his mouth (other then Vincenzo’s Italian), as well playing Ice Hockey (not a local sport in South Korea, but rather a Canadian/American one). So are you telling me he is a solely Korean guy in terms of culture he immersed?

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    So, why is he hanging out at the law firm as an intern?

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      I would guess he would be monitoring the lawyer who directly involving the case of his corporation, and I guess he falls in love with her as well.

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I am pretty sure those plants are some versions of Song Joong-ki … Sijin and Eunseom?
#Vincenzo #Arthdal #DOTS

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    tvn is selling arthdal hard..

    this episode namedrop was “h” something.. i forgot.. that god thing from arthdal

    and also hammurabi

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      Don’t know that “H” thing, @alasecond, but the four plants are named after 4 characters Song Joong-ki did acted in the past, and I guess at least Descendents of the Sun is not a tvN thing …

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        Why did they skip Yi Do? That was his first acclaimed role.

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      And I guess that Hammurabi mention is not solely because there is a show on tvN called Miss Hammurabi ( I did think about that, too): Hammurabi was a ancient king in Mesopotamia who wrote the first law code in human history …

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After watching Ep.3-4, I don’t what I have to do with this show,either. I do like Sageuk, and the show shot beautifully, but the plot and the dialogue keep on annoying me.
@kiara, what do you think?

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    I didn’t have high hope for this writer so I kept my expectation low. I thought the director would do better since this is not his first Goguryeo sageuk but he can’t keep a simple story flowing coherently.
    It feels like that the bulk of this show is placed on Kim So Hyun’s young shoulders because the so called veteran actors are sleep walking through their roles.
    I don’t know what to do with it either. I’ll try and watch eps 3-4 later this week.

    I’m enjoying “The Longest Day in Chang An.” The 3 kingdom era in all it’s outer glory while rotting in
    the inside. I’m learning so much about the Tang Dynasty and the twilight days Goguryeo is in the back of my mind.

    Give me more good historical C-dramas and films to watch :).

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      I read the synopsis of The Longest Day in Chang An. after reading your post. The plot looks interesting, but can you tell me whether the actors act well?

      The reason for that question:
      A lot of CDramas and TWDramas have young rookie actors as their lead and their acting left much to be desired. I avoid CDramas and TWDramas for this reason.

      Hence I would like to know whether the actors can act well or not because I might avoid this drama if they can’t act

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        The acting is excellent! I didn’t know any of the cast before but instantly became a fan of Lei Jiayin (the lead actor), Zhou Yi Wei (loving him in Rebel Princess also). I’m on the look out for idol actor Jackson Yee (the other main lead).
        It’s hard to shake off that idol label and I think picking the right project does magic to one’s performance and reputation.
        I thought Jackson had a great presence in a historical setting and did well with delivery etc. I think he was 16 or 17 when they started shooting the drama so he is still very young and have a bright future in this industry.

        This is a top notch production. It’s a historical thriller set in the Tang Dynasty.

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    I’m enjoying it as a simple sageuk. I’d rather watch it than Sisyphus so I’m going to stick with it. Since I’m watching it on Viki I can’t tell how much of the poor transition between some scenes is from the original editing and how much is from Viki’s.

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      I enjoy simple sageuks over those that try to be epic but fail miserably. This writer/PD duo don’t have what it takes to make this show epic.

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        Agreed. This is fairly simple so far and I keep wondering where we’re headed story-wise.

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          I get die hard fans and hyping dramas with their bias (guilty as charged) but this was probably meant to be a standard sageuk based on a popular folktale and a novel that gave it a different interpretation.

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No prize Jeopardy:
Q1: Guess which one is from River Where the Moon Rises?
Q2: Which drama the building is from in another photo?
Q3: Look familiar?

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Park Shin-hye giving the finger. You don’t always see this kind of thing …

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    And it’s not censored! 😱

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      Because it is Netflix.

      And you don’t always see Park Shin-hye being in such strong character, which is surely a good thing, a breakthrough for her.

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    I like the show in general though. I think the flow of the story, and as a Beanie has so correctly put it, I’m in for all the show has to offer. It’s over the top and everything, but it’s well done. I love the cinematography of it too and it seems like the show knows where it’s going.

    I’m relieved that this supposedly a sci-fi, fantasy show is pre-produced, so I won’t have to worry about how it will choose to end -like Alice.

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      so correctly put it that she wanted to be stupidly entertained 🤣

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The beginning of Vicenzo looks great, but then … what have I watched?

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    I enjoyed it far more than Sisyphus so I’m going to stick with it.

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      True, I enjoy Vincenzo keeps on giving me surprise, @ndlessjoie.

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      I just finished watching the 1st episode and I really like it. I haven’t laughed this much in a while.

      This is going to be my de-stress drama.

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        By the way, you enjoy the one which air before Vincenzo, which is Mr. Queen?

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          I haven’t watched “Mr Queen” yet.

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          @kiara You should, it unlike other sageuks, and I think you would like it.

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            I’ll add it to my growing list of K-dramas.
            I took a break and have been watching C-dramas for a few months now.

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    Yes, one more thing, Song Joong-ki said the show looks like Stephen Chow’s Shaolin Soccer. However, I think it’s more like his Kung Fu Hustle. I guess you will get more laugh if you have watched that movie.

    cc @ndlessjoie & @kiara

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      Oh I need to watch “Kung Fu Hustle.”
      Thank you!

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\”… as well as something called Mister Sunshine (SBS) that is described as “sports melodrama mixed with fusion period piece.” Now, THAT sounds fascinating.\”

Read this in a 2009 report on Dramabeans.

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… But honestly, I find the screenwriter has become way to pleasing her audience by putting their theories into her own drama.
[It’s Okay to Not Be Okay]

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    Just a note: I can’t access Netflix on my office computer, so I use this way to do screen grabbing. This doesn’t mean I like pirate versions.

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    I have the feeling I’m not going to like the explanation given to Nurse Park being MY’s mum.

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      Neither do I. Twisting the plot for the sake of pleasing the audience is always not a good practice, especially when I suspect the screenwriter doesn’t seems to go this way initially, and suddenly want to have audience theories chip in to attract them to watch.

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      And by the way, if you really want Moon-yeong to survive, why using 2 actresses to play one character?

      I am still okay if Chief Nurse Park is just an imitator of Ms. Do. That’s still can explain.

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      If Chief Nurse Park is just an imitator, that would even hit the point harder. You know there are crazy fans for famous artists, like the murderer of John Lennon, or that German stalker of Apink’s Naeun.

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        Yes, that’s the only way I could understand it. But we’ve already had the crazy fan with OkRan… are we going to have a second one? And considering what we’ve seen in episode 14 it seems clear to me that Nurse Park IS actually MY’s mum.
        Such a terrible way to spoil a drama I was enjoying so much.

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    I don’t think that’s the case. Foreshadowing were there since Ep 3.

    Why do I have the feeling that the script was finish even before shooting started?

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      I also don’t think it was changed to please de audience, and even so I don’t think it’s well written.

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        Yes, it’s way too melodramatic, except they are planning to convey a message (parents morbid expectation to their children in South Korea?), I donMt thinks it is well written either.

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      If the script was finish even before shooting started, then there’s an unforgivably big plot hole here: Why we were shown her body is being sunk into the water in a suitcase (except you believe in miracle, since the PD is famous for his detailing in visual storytelling), and why there are 2 actresses to play one role which is Moon-yeong’s mom? The writing sounds rush for me, and the storytelling seems not planning–except if there are some explanations.

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I finally can’t hold my tear in this scene.
[It’s Okay to Not Be Okay]

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You know he is a typical Korean man
And in the end, it doesn’t work
It’s Okay to Not Be Okay

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[House on Wheels]
I do love this quiet morning …

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This is the so-called “3-level pitch screaming” …

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