random:
did anyone watch ALL ABOUT STEVE?

omg...I totally thought Rain was pregnant. O.o

Backing out now... .

@ ockoala and lb_tmi
thanks ockoala, for the clarification. i just rewatched the part i was talking about and they were indeed talking about some other event that i dont remember cause a gazillion things happened and they're all interconnected and...im just spinning around and around in circles hahaha.
i am really conflicted right now b/c i want to finish b&w asap so i find out all the answers, but at the same time i dont want such a crazy-ass thriller to end. what will i watch afterwards to fill in the gap? (ANOTHER SPOILER) did you guys find the transition from chen lin liking ying xiong to liking pi zi kinda weird? i mean, didnt she crush over ying xiong like mad? how did she all of the sudden switch over to pi zi? and this whole sibling romance thing is actually pretty sick (and overused in dramas). granted, they didnt know, but still. it's odd that u would ever fall for ur half-brother. totally cant happen in real life. i actually ship chen lin and pi zi, but since they're siblings they cant be together, which is oh so sad. :(( (END SPOILER)

@ 38 ockoala

Of course you are not the only dog person here, I have two, buds a japanese spitz mix and diana a yellow lab. They have opposite temperaments, buds is only friendly to both of us (hubby) and ferocious to everyone else. However, Diana is the quintessential friendly labrador, muy carinyoso. She is very popular to the neighborhood kids, specially when we play catch the tennis ball.

Thank you Javabeans for your recap of YB. In my part of the world I would check your site in the office computer on a Thursday and Friday around lunch time (11:30 to 12:30pm) and bingo! its posted. I would read/scan it quickly go to lunch and then open it again and savor the beautiful drama, that YB is!! If the big boss is not doing her rounds I would sneak again and read the comments.

Maraming salamat, love you love your blog.

cute!

my sisters and i also got a kitten from the animal shelter this february since we missed our dogs in korea and felt that a kitten would be easier. she loves playing the laser dot tag, too.

Is anyone watching Love and Obsession? it's crazy good!! in every episode, there is something going on.

Do any of the streaming sites have a good quality version of Brilliant Legacy?

I don't have the space to download.

@ xiahkixiri

i totally know which video clip u're talking about!! its funny cause i was into kdramas before getting into the taiwan entertainment industry. so i watched that interview with kim sun ah after watching MNIKSS and didnt even realize the interviewers were show and barbie. years later, i fell in love with show luo (also another coincidential thing xp), and rewatched the interview clip, and saw show with my fav korean actress sun ah, and i was like, clashing fandomsss! hahaha show wasnt the main host back then, so he didnt say much. but omg, show is so different now its hard to imagine lol.
i am sooo excited for shanghai sweetheart (whose official eng name is now hi my sweetheart)!!! did u watch all the trailers and stuff? funniest shizz ever!! and they're airing a bts special this sunday. i think SS will be a crack-tastic drama. and of course, anything with show in it i will watch : )

@lb_tmi - lol. we totally are twins!! just cuz we're a few years and few thousand miles apart doesn't make us less of twins. the proof is in how we have all the same #2s LOL!! YB is gonna be the show that i watch on the plane over to taiwan this year. it's THAT fun haha.. that and TOP haha. but maybe it's better if you wait till it's done airing to watch.. it's kinda sorta killing me, waiting each week haha. but but but...nono, watch now so we can talk about it ahha!!!

@annieee - i'm so glad you're enjoying the B&W rollercoaster!! it really was such a rush watching it the first time around...

@53 annieee -

B&W SPOILER!!!!!!

chen lin didn't really like ying xiong to begin with i don't think. she just told that to pi zi cuz he kept asking if she liked ying xiong cuz he 'saved' her, so she was like 'fine! yes i do! i like him a lot ok?!', but in reality she liked pi zi. i think she said it out of frustration cuz he didn't get that he was the one she liked.. well that's my take on it anyway. i could be totally off haha..

END B&W SPOILER!!!!

@ 57 Syren

Dramafever.com. they now have Shining Inheritance/Brillant Legacy up.

@ 53 annieee

here's my take on the chen lin/pi zi thing.. it's not a spoiler for you, but for others, i'm just gonna put the warning anyway...

::B&W SPOILER::
chen lin didn't "fall for" Hero. she fell for the warm back that carried her out of the subway. when pi zi didn't correct who she *thought* carried her to safety, she let her feelings go towards Hero. but when she realized that it was actually pi zi, she was able to distinguish her feelings for Hero weren't really for Hero, but were for pi zi to begin with. so that's why she can change the way she acts towards the two men.. because she never really did change her feelings.. she was just directing it to the wrong person.
::END SPOILER::

that wasn't even really a spoiler, huh?

@ annieee

Remember, everything in B&W is not what it seems: I would continue to ship Chen Lin-Pi-zi if that's your ship. I did not find her sudden transition to Pi-zi so jarring, because she was all superficially attracted to Yin-xiong's hot-bloodedness, but really, Pi-zi is the one she bickers, squabbles, and fusses over - and we all know that means true love in drama speak.

I watched the first 12 episodes of B&W in one sitting, I didn't sleep until I fell asleep watching, that's how addicting it was, I totally understand how you feel. Keep watching, you don't know nothin' yet.

@ 48 xiahkixiri

Veronica Mars - you should watch Season 3. Any episode from VM is better than 99.9% of the shows on-air right now. But yes, S3 is nowhere near the brilliance of the perfectly crafted S1 (OMG, I may just feel a VM S1 marathon coming up), but it's pretty good at transitioning Veronica to college. But I am such a LoVe shipper that any season that ends without LoVe in bed and canoodling is depressing for me. Logan is the human equivalent of Spike, and I can just swoon over those bad boys all day long.

@ annieee: OMG GRABBY HANDS, I didn't know the trailer was out! (GRR, I liked the old title better), link me prz? Typing the right thing into YT for Taiwanese dramas is so problematic omg. I'm sure it's going to be cracktastic (OMG@ the promo pics! That hair is Epic), but my worry is OTT headache crack or AMAZING crack? It's such a shame tw variety shows aren't really subbed, I just got linked to a YT user who subs Show stuff this week and was like O__O!!! I LOVED that story about how he likes to roll down his window when he drives by a city bus and tease fans. <3333 He is so amazing, IDEK. It makes me angry how he seems to get so much shit from the press for no reason; how is it possible to dislike him?

@ lovenyc52

we did it again!!! posted at the same time AND to the same person AND had almost the same response!!! dang this twins telepathy.. it's really strong, huh?

i totally have to load a TON of stuff onto my mp3 so i can listen to all my music on the plane AND watch vids.. even if the screen is a whole 1.5". lol.

@annieee - ha, ok lb_tmi and ockoala's explanations make more sense than mine does. i retract my earlier statement LOL!!!

@lb_tmi - people don't know...the power of the twins. we are a dangerous pair LOL!!

@ ockoala: Yes, LoVe is the other reason, I just know bad, bad, baaaaaad things are going to happen to my ship. I ship them SO EFFING HARD and Logan is just such a prince with his big softie to his women heart and his snarky comment for every occasion. The Logan/Weevil detention ep was so LOL, they were totally my win slash pairing. Also Veronica/Wallace friendship was SO OSM, I love me a boy/girl BFFs with an awesome relationship that doesn't need to go romantic for it to be epic setup so much, I allllmost love them more than LoVe.

@53
I agree with you the switch in romance interest was sort of abrupt, although there were plenty of hints along the way. Hunk #1 (the original crush) seemed like a very brief and shallow sort of attachment. Hunk #2 (the eventual crush) had our favorite kind of relationship: dislike but somehow can't look away. Black and White was such a mass of confusion for most of the show but that was what made it so good. For those who are still watching it: keep going, it gets better!

I am interested Shanghai Sweetheart and am planning to watch it when it airs. But, I really hope it won't fall into a massive silliness. I tried watching Momo Love but just couldn't stand it. (although I know some who seemed to love it so don't take my words for it.)

Currently, my drama watching has been more focused on Korean shows. Loving You're Beautiful and trying hold myself back from watching IRIS so I am only addicted to one show at a time, but the "kiss" that have been mentioned so many times here is making my resolve weakening. :-)

@ 68 jtinma: you could just do what I did and go watch the kiss on YT.

What a cool name for a cat. I love cats with white paws. Tobias sounds cool too. Something very Oscar Wilde about it.

I am thinking of naming my next cat Anjuma or Ajushi depending on the sex. By the way I still haven't figured out how to tell whether a cat is male or female. For the longest time we thought our cat (from a shelter) was a boy and after 5 years a friend checked him out and said he was a girl. But now another friend is positive she's a boy. We still haven't gotten around to resolving the issue.
I also don't like KTH's eyes. They are classic Asian horror films eyes. When she got miffed with LBH in the restaurant she gave him this deadly stare. It was chilling.
I have new found respect for LBH the actor. I have been paying too much attention to his looks, smile, and voice. I have just realized how much respect he has for his craft and gives his best in every scene. I felt sorry for him for the corny cheesy love scenes he had to do for Iris. I could feel his soul cringing and wincing.

hello! Happy Friday everyone! ^-^

"My new favorite game is Direct the Laser Dot Back and Forth on the Hardwood Floors so the Cat Slides All Over it Like a Feather Duster on Speed."
LOL! YEAH! AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE ONE SHINY , DUST-LESS HARDWOOD FLOOR!

waahhh! Langdon is claiming JJH and b020 is claiming TOP! ok, ok, when everybody's tired of 'em, bring them all to me! ^-^
In the meantime, i will drool over other hot guys.... ^-^

oohhh... love the drama "love you 1000x" too! ^-^

geez, been busy watching 3 dramas this month! (am not complaining...just that my eyebags are getting darker and darker and its not from working...lol)

@ 66 lovenyc52

power of the twins??? that just sounds so dirty on all levels. especially when in regards to us. LOL.

@ annieee

i totally agree w/ jtinma... definitely keep watching.. B&W gets better and BETTER. it's actually my fave drama this year.

Maeby! Awwww. When I read your cat's name immediately thought 'Arrested Development!' JB you really have great taste. Perhaps someone out there has the maybe cousin of Maeby and named it George Michael? I would like to meet Uncle GOB in a cat form.....hehehe

Gee I was trying to avoid 'You're Beautiful" recaps....but failed! I read it like the crack that it is, and OMG now I have parted ways (temporarily) with LBH (IRIS) and Binnie (Friends, Our Legend) and grabbed the raw eps of You're Beautiful! I am sensing that YB will be like my BoFcrack for the tail end of 2009. But with better acting.

Samsooki
I was being to wonder why there was a 'samsooki' and a 'Samsooki' in the OT. Was thinking is that the papa 'Samsooki' and 'samsooki' is the genius baby RAIN already out and typing his love of kdrama??? Now I know they are both papa Samsooki. PS love your screenplay! Is there a Samsooki screenplay site? LMAO

Happy OT everyone!

@71 sonam

i somehow feel vindicated that someone else agrees w/ me about KTH's eyes. "horror film eyes" she is.

@70 Sonam

If after 5 years you can't tell if your cat is a boy, then she's definitely a girl! ;-)

IRIS SPOILERS

I don't find the romantic scenes on IRIS to be cheesy at all...I find myself rather faint and swoony, actually! I don't hate KTH at all...I really like her character and I think the chemistry between her and LBH is pretty awesome. I got a huge kick out of her super secret agent persona turning all girly-girl and demanding a gift from her boyfriend. And when he kissed her and put the candy in her mouth? OMG. Some people might think it was gross, but LBH can feed me like that any time he wants to.

END SPOILERS

I do get what people are saying about KTH's eyes, though. They are rather snake-like, almost.

Hmmm...and Storm Shadow IS the mortal enemy of Snake Eyes. Just sayin'.

ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT! Greatest show ever. EVER.

LOVE the song "ENERGY".......................

I tried to watch You're Beautiful but I hate Park Shin-hye's character. She reminds me of Yi Nok from Hong Gil Dong and I hated that drama because I couldn't stand the female lead. I hate when the heroines are portrayed as TSTL.

Oh well, I've got Smile You and more than enough jdramas than I can handle.

LMAO @ poor Kim Tae Hee. I've only seen her in act in her pre-ep2kiss dialogue, and... her eyes don't seem evil to me, doesn't she have Korea's beloved smiling eyes? Yno who I think has seeerusly creepy eyes? Seungyeon from Kara. Like she's almost always smiling and the eyes go smiley then too but they're so creepy and when she doesn't smile she looks reallllllllly scary. They're kinda like wee widl tadpoles. CREEPY EYES, SHE HAS THEM.

@ 68 xiahkixiri

I more than love LoVe, don't worry about the ending of VM season 3, in my mind - Logan grows up from a rich punk-ass, adorably snarky softie, to a quippy, snarky, real world counterpart FBI handler in disguise, whose charge is non other than the love of his life, Veronica Mars, newly minted FBI agent.

They may quibble all day long, but the cases get cracked and LoVe lives on forever with each other. No one can convince me otherwise. They are the *perfect* soulmates. Though when Duncan left V, and he left the letter that said "True Love Stories Never Have Endings," I cried, because Duncan was Veronica's first love. But that message on that note will always always mean Logan and Veronica.

Oooh, someone compared Logan to Spike?

Hmm. I'm gonna be spending the rest of my day drawing up similarities between them.

Interesting because I loved Spike by himself and with Buffy. I loved him more by himself as a character. IE, if Spike wasn't with Buffy, I'd have been fine with that, he was such a compelling character on his own.

However with Logan, I only enjoyed him with Veronica. I felt that without Veronica, he wasn't enjoyable. In fact, I really hated him when he wasn't with Veronica.

To me, Veronica was Logan's saving grace. He needed her to be well-adjuster, normal and whatever. Spike was fine on his own.

Which is weird to say because Spike is a vampire and Logan is a normal human but. . .

Without Veronica, Logan would just be your simple entitled, racist, rich boy. Hell, even with Veronica he was like that, she just toned it down in him.

(BTW I did do a Veronica Mars Season 1 rewatch this past week. I watched the last few episodes of Season 1. *sigh* Nostalgia)

omo already seventy five comments..and its first time i have catched OT this early...at my place its 1:15 am(saturday)...normally when i come to OT it used to be over 150 posts ...i enjoy going through(sneak) all the comments during my office hrs hehe..guess i will be fired if i get caught but i like to take risk you know life without OT on saturdays (at my place) are dull hehe.

After discovering OT i found i am not the only one with one daughter who drools over the hunks ...lol...annyeo chingu's

as everyone loving YB ...haven't started Iris yet ...i think i will wait for all ep to finish and then do marathon... also watching smile you,i am enjoing it .

For whom who loved Vic in BLACK & WHITE do check his drama MARS...its really really good drama ...actually i became his fan after watching mars

i need to sleep now...catch you guys tommorow again

I credit the Logan hotness to the sizzling chemistry Kristen Bell has with all her co-stars. Seriously, the chemistry between them crackled.

The Prom scene? Where Logan calls their story 'epic'? CRAZY.

The dance scene where 'Sway' plays in the background and Logan and Veronica dance together but it's all hesitant because they're not sure how they feel about each other yet? SIZZLING. I almost felt as if the camera stayed on them a second too long, as if I were viewing a private moment.

The Veronica/Logan OTP is the one that ultimately reminds me that what I see and am attracted to on-screen will not be what I'm attracted to in real life. I would never ever ever date a Logan Echolls. EVER. Never ever. I still couldn't believe Veronica forgave him for all the shit he pulled. Yet, they got together and it was OTP beauty.

(Now Spike? I'd totally date him in real life)

@ mishane

Spike v. Logan - that was me, it was a superficial glossing of their characters, but I agree with you in the end, Logan without Veronica is no one special. Spike without Buffy I would watch kick ass anyday.

However, neither Spike nor Logan without Buffy or Veronica, respectively, are redeemable - we only love them because there is Spuffy and LoVe. That's drama pairing elevated to the epic level, dont'cha agree?

"(BTW I did do a Veronica Mars Season 1 rewatch this past week. I watched the last few episodes of Season 1. *sigh* Nostalgia)"

IMHO, the last few episodes of VM Season 1 are beyond description for being such compelling, amazing, engrossingly mesmerizing TV. It's on par with the Angel turns bad after sleeping with Buffy episodes for sheer weight of the revelations and pathos.

"A Trip to the Dentist" stands alone as my ALL TIME favorite VM episode. How can you not watch that episode, with a bazillion amazing performances by every single side player in VM Season 1 (including a young Leighton Meester - check it out!), a Rashomon flashback sequence, and Veronice sleeping with Duncan *and* making out with Logan (btw, it's amazingly sweet but not sleazy, the way it unfurled, trust me, non VM-watchers).

'The Prom scene? Where Logan calls their story ‘epic’? CRAZY."

Yes, yes, yes, gah, I feel my heart constricting - LoVe is still freaking paining me three years after it's been cancelled! Kristen Bell's chemistry was only with Jason Dohring as Logan. Duncan/Teddy Dunn - ehh, not so much, there was some to make their pairing palatable and interesting in the beginning, until Logan steading walked closer and closer to Veronica, and the world tilted on its axis until you and I cannot imagine V not with L.

And yes, NO girl should, would, could ever date a Logan Echolls, that's like signing a death of the heart warrant - unless that girl is Veronica Mars.

@_@ is it wrong to already be completely hooked on iris? i love the ost!!!!!!!! omg!! they have such good songs and i love the main theme lmao it made me tear up a bit in the last episode
the cast is awesome!!!

@ ockoala - Okay I'm totally with you on denial fronts (ending of Snow Queen, OMG - last 2 eps never happened kthnx), but I'll have to sit through breakupage first. *facepalm* They like to repeat the seasons on E4 and I tuned in about 2 weeks ago and S3 was playing, and I changed it after 5 minutes because I was still on 4, and there was a beach, and logs or something, and VERONICA WASN'T SITTING ON LOGAN'S ONE. She was next to some other guy and this spelt baaaad things in my mind.

@ mishane: Logan and Spike? Hmm.. I have yet to watch Buffy fully but OMG such a Spuffy shipper, such, SUCH a Spuffy shipper. All the seasons scare me a bit so I haven't done it yet but when I found out the show I used to watch on TV was the early airing and therefore censored... I must disagree with you on Logan, though. He wasn't with V for most of S2 but I still loved him. The things in his life went from bad to worse when she broke up with him, but he was resilient even if self-destructive, and I really, really love that in a person, guy or not. I may have loved him just for the fab oneliners but it was really impressive to me that with all the screwups in his life, Lilly, his dad, his BFF and V both separately and together, the murder, the outcome of his dad's trial, sorta his sister (I squealed so hard at Willow and Cordelia on the screen together, LMAO), he managed to be functional. Actually at the beginning of S1 I didn't like Logan because I thought he had a sleazy smile; boy did i grow to love the snark behind that smile.

Congrats on your new kitty. You just have to love cats they are so much fun. We got our new kitten the weekend B&W finished. Since the kitten is b&w I just had to name him Pi Zi. Luckily the name fits, he's such a ruffian. Although when he goes into hyper-drive (at 3 am), in that totally kitten way,I have thought that we really should have named him Damn it.

@ 86 ockoala

Yes, A Trip To The Dentist was amazing. Not a boring moment in that episode. I know people didn't like Teddy Dunn (although what happened between him and fandom, I'm still really embarrassed and upset at) but that scene where Veronica goes to his house to confront him and he breaks down and she's breaking down is just pure beauty.

Season 2 had it's ups and downs with me. I loved the bitter interactions between Veronica and Logan but thought Logan was the biggest asshat for hooking up with Cordelia Chase and Tiny Blonde One. Interesting because I think Veronica dated other people that she was genuinely interested in (the disaster that was Piz was weird but I could see her reasoning behind it) while it felt that Logan's love life was purely directed to bring him back to Veronica, or for other non-love related reasons.

However, neither Spike nor Logan without Buffy or Veronica, respectively, are redeemable – we only love them because there is Spuffy and LoVe.

You are very very correct there. I think Spike would have stayed mainstream enjoyable without Spuffy but Spike love elevated after he started having feelings for her. (I'd really like to ask Joss Whedon when he decided to do that pairing, because I noticed sparks between them starting in Season 3, I think)

With Logan, if Lily never died, I wonder what would have happened between him and Veronica. I mean, Lily and Logan would never have been a permanent thing and Veronica and Logan seemed to be friends already. I wonder if things would have eventually have led there, especially with the angst Duncan was doing on decided whether or not Veronica was his sister (OMG I sound like I'm describing a k-drama!).

Long comment.

@89 trixicopper

i like that name. maybe i'll name my next kid that instead. i was gonna go for "Tree" cuz i've never met anyone w/ that name. and i already like Bird and my hubby's a Cow, and my daughter is a Bug. but Damn it seems like it'll be more appropriate. lol.

@ lovenyc52 - hmmm, IDK if I can share TOP....but if you sat through the painful drama that was I Am Sam...then we can share,

Korean stars who have beautiful eyes from my point of view. To name a few.

Lee Hyori I totally get it when guys go crazy for her. Her eyes are wide set, sexy, lively, naughty and fun. I am a girl but I think she could easily seduce me.

Kim Hyun joo Warm, limpid expressive eyes. I loved how her eyes got all teasing, mocking when she is berating LDW in Partner.

Son Ye jin Warm lively eyes like Kim Hyun Joo.

Lee Young Ae Beautiful All Asian classic almond eyes.

Chae Rim I have a weakness for wide set eyes.

I think eyes should be expressive. Big eyes doesn't automatically mean beautiful for me. That's why I don't like KTH and Shin Mina's eyes . Something so vacant and doll like behind the dazzling smiles. Feels like there's nothing behind the eyes.Not hating on these girls. They seem like perfectly nice ladies.

@ mishane

Gah, work is gonna wait, I sense an amazing Logan/Spike discussion forthcoming today....

1. Spike - James Marsters had amazing chemistry with Sarah Michelle Geller, agreed, end of discussion. We were all shipping Angel-Buffy so hard in Season 2 (okay, seriously, all Spuffy shippers started out as Angel-Buffy shippers, but we were not blinded to the fact that Angel up and LEFT Buffy and turned all bloated down in LA, and really, the world was darker, more dirty, when Buffy hooked up with Spike and we can't help but ship that grittier, more adult relationship, however dysfunctional it was).

I first sensed chemistry in Season 3 when Spike returned to LA after Dru left him for some demon in S. America. But the episode in Season 4 when Willow casts a spell that makes Buffy and Spike go get married - that was the turning point. Riley was already a giant comforter, but I knew that Joss Whedon knew and was headed in that direction. But the man took his time, 2 long years to be exact, before the glory that was "Smashed" aired. OMG, I can still vividly recall with my mind's eye that hot sex in a smashed building sequence.....

2. Logan

"With Logan, if Lily never died, I wonder what would have happened between him and Veronica."

Yes, the largest what-if in VM is "what if Lily never died." If Lily never died, Veronica would have so many what-ifs - remember, she was already dumped by Duncan b/c the silly boy thought she was his half-sister (folks, k-drama watchers, you have to watch VM, it's got the k-drama plot points up the wazoo), but she didn't know how to deal with it. If Lily never died, V would still be a cheerleader, but she may have turned destructive like Lily, and there would never be the emotionally scarred Veronica to find her soulmate in the emotionally abused Logan.

I like to think, Lily's death was, is, always meant to be the catalyst for the world of Neptune to change, even if it was little by little.

Re: OTP's and US TV

I always wonder what makes the writers decide to go with an OTP.

IE Dawsons Creek. You'd assume that Dawson would end up with the girl since he is the titular character, but not so. If anything, he became more unlikeable as seasons passed.

IE Veronica Mars. I wonder if Logan was the endgame during that first season. I think I remember reading somewhere that he wasn't, but then the writers saw the chemistry between him and Kristen Bell and decided to keep it.

IE BtVS. Seriously Spike? I mean, where did it come from? My shipper heart was happy because I thought he was awesome but I never ever thought it would actually come to fruition. I thought I was stuck reading fanfic for the rest of my life. WHEN DID YOU DECIDE THIS JOSS, WHEN??

I'm trying to think of more that I questioned. Like Monica/Chandler??

I remember going on Television Without Pity and reading the Dawsons Creek recaps for Season 3 and reading how the recappers were reading into the Pacey/Joey interactions. And then when it finally happened, it was like a sigh of relief.

@ 94 ockoala

Angel up and LEFT Buffy and turned all bloated down in LA,

I lol'd at bloated. David Boreanez (sp?) did bloat up!

OMG SOMETHING BLUE!!! I WATCHED AND REWATCHED THAT EPISODE SO SO SO SO MANY TIMES. It's actually one of my favorite episodes. I still remember watching it, then going to my computer, going to Yahoo!Search and typing in "Buffy and Spike". And thus got introduced to fanfic, lol.

Ahh, Smashed. That sound of the zipper. I'm almost surprised they kept that it. It just sounded so DIRTY. And then James Marsters face? And SMG's face? *fans self* Hold on, need to get a drink.

@b020 - haha so we're gonna hafta fight for TOP huh? alright, i'm ready! *rolls up sleeves* lol... no, i haven't watched I Am Sam.. painful eh? no thanks. i gave up on sitting through painful dramas awhile back.. i'll stick with IRIS and the hot badboyness of MY TOP haha!! toldya i'd fight :)

@mishane - omg those episodes... those legendary episodes... The first time i watched Something Blue I was...shocked. but i LOVED it.. spike being all pouty is hilarious.. And the disgust of everyone around them was priceless. Then came Smashed and all fluffy images of Spike left me and we're just left with raw hotness.

@96 &94 - I totally agree, "Smashed" was hot & sexy!! The three major sex/love scenes on BtVS were all so well done! When Angel/Buffy had sex for the first time - I loved how Joss guided our imaginations with sound and light and a few flashes. Major twist at the end just made it even more heartbreakingly beautiful.

"Smashed" will probably be my favorite of all times because it was wrong, dirty, sexy, and so very combustible. It made me feel like I was watching soft porn!!!(not that I watch porn:-P)

Re: Neptune without Lily.

I don't know. I think the friendship would have disintegrated between Veronica / Lily. Knowing how innocent Veronica was, I think Lily's wildness would have escalated to a point where Veronica wouldn't have been able to keep up.

I can't speak for Veronica/Logans romance in a world with Lily because. . .well, it was all that aftermath that made them so perfect for each other. Without it, I don't know. Maybe they might have dated casually or stayed really good friends, but I doubt their love would have been epic.

Speaking of epic, there's this AMAZING fanfic that I read where it continues the story as if Lily never died. I mean, there was a lot of fic written about this, but this topped all of them. It's amazing and pretty much how I think things would have gone down if Lily hadn't died. It's called Broken Things (http://community.livejournal.com/veronicamarsfic/248315.html). I haven't read it in ages but I remember being totally awed by it. I do remember it was sexual (like the majority of fanfic). But it did go into how life would be without Lily. Kind of dark at times. Over 9000 words.

I have COUNTLESS Veronica Mars fic recs if anyone wants. I started in the Buffy fandom and made my way to Veronica Mars. Both have really good writers. I was just re-reading one of my favorite Veronica/Logan fics (still a work in progress). This one doesn't have sex in it but it's kind of a re-write of Season 1 where Logan just becomes this HUGE HUGE asshole and then realizes what a huge asshole he is and tries to make it up to Veronica, who isn't having any of it. It's touching and sad and revealing. I love it.