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The Time I’ve Loved You: Episode 5

An old love comes sauntering back into Hana’s life like he didn’t completely screw her over, sending her emotions into a tailspin they really shouldn’t be in if this guy is as bad as he seems to be. Even his present self is no prince charming, leaving us to wonder what it is that Hana liked about him in the first place—but if she has no self control when it comes to him, let’s hope that Won can help her see reason. Even if that doesn’t seem to be working out too well for him so far.

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EPISODE 5 RECAP

Looking at Seo-hoo in the present takes Won back to the past, where Hana had been absolutely crazy for him when they dated. She’d even skipped her own promotion party because Seo-hoo had made sudden plans to come back into town, and Won had watched them kiss from a safe (and sad) distance.

Once the reverie is over, Won pays Seo-hoo little mind except to keep Hana from seeing him. Seo-hoo doesn’t try to make himself known.

Hana talks about her friend whose engagement just got broken off, only to find out that she and Won have different views about relationships that have ended—he’s on the more cynical side, while she believes that this hiccup could make her friend and her fiancé stronger in the end.

She has no idea that Won’s worried about Seo-hoo’s reappearance when he asks, hypothetically, if she could start over with a man she broke up with. Hana thinks about it before replying that it would depend on how deep their relationship was, and not necessarily how they broke up.

Won’s worried that means she would resume a previously broken relationship, but Hana doesn’t know he’s talking about her and Seo-hoo. Instead he tries distracting her by asking her out for different fun dates, but Hana can’t ignore his text messages and checks his phone instead.

Hana informs him that it’s So-eun asking for a date, but Won doesn’t even seem to be listening. Instead he pesters her to go on a fun date with him and forget all her worries.

Seo-hoo doesn’t allow for incompetence or excuses when it comes to his work, and is to the point with his employees when he’s displeased with something. He listens to the concerto he’ll be playing as his thoughts drift to Hana… and Hana with Won.

So-eun surprises Hana outside her house to invite herself to her and Won’s bike ride, since Won didn’t invite her himself. Both Hana and Won share a look like, “Well?”

We flash back to So-eun grilling Won on why he hadn’t responded to her texts, and when he tells her it’s because he already had something planned with Hana, So-eun invites herself along. Won tried to tell her then that he thinks of her just as a hoobae (so, non-romantically), but So-eun responded that she thinks of him as someone she wants to date seriously.

She then claimed that it didn’t matter to her if he thought of her as someone he wanted to date or not—but she’d continue to do what she wanted with her heart. Won thought about that and asked if she should be more considerate of others’ feelings since it’s not just her heart involved.

And now that she’s invited herself anyway, I guess he has his answer on how considerate she really is. So-eun even glares at Hana so she gets to sit shotgun instead of her. Whoa, someone needs to tell this girl to pump the brakes.

Because So-eun claims she doesn’t know how to ride a bike, she rides a tandem bicycle with Won. He even asks her why she came when she doesn’t know how to ride, and she just laughs.

When they sit down to the lunch So-eun’s prepared, she hands him a serving of red ginseng, only for him to hand it over to Hana. Despite Hana’s concerns that she became the third wheel on their date, it seems like that’s fallen to So-eun instead.

So-eun makes a deliberate comment that the two of them seem more like siblings, but they almost seem to be playing up the cutesy angle in front of her on purpose. Again though, So-eun seems to be the one reminding them that they’re friends… right?

After a shoe-selling interlude with Dae-bok, we return to Three’s Company at a batting cage. So-eun sees that Hana doesn’t want to play when Won urges her to, so she eggs her on deliberately just to make her more uncomfortable. I hope Won is noticing all this.

As expected, Hana absolutely sucks at batting. But it doesn’t go the way So-eun wanted when Won enters the batting cage with her, positions himself behind her, and helps her learn how to swing. So-eun tries to get him to teach her the same way he taught Hana (for the close contact), but he just offers her advice instead. Burn.

Won has to cut the day short because he received a call from his mom, which he doesn’t seem too happy about. So-eun keeps up her cheery facade and acts like she’s had a great day, emphasizing that she will see Won at work tomorrow.

While driving, Won makes funny faces at Hana to make her smile. But when he does, Hana thinks of the day she figured out what that expression of his meant before she turned twenty.

It was also the same day that Won’s mother left him with just a note saying: “Son, you understand your mom, don’t you? I love you.” Hana had found him then, and saw the same expression on his face. Instead of being sad, Won had talked about unrelated things while acting completely unaffected.

Mi-hyang knows Won’s in a mood because his mother called, and has no sympathy for the woman who left her son because she found love elsewhere. Won reminds her that she’s still his mother, but she claims that he hasn’t found love because of his complicated relationship with his mom.

Won says she’s not one to talk when she’s obsessed with an idol, but Mi-hyang explains that loving an idol is safe and easy—they love to be loved, and she can’t get hurt that way. (I’d disagree there, as a fellow idol lover.) But she makes sure to slip in a comment about how Won’s just like his father, since his dad would always take his mom’s side too.

While Hana enjoys a family dinner with her thoughts never straying too far from Won, Won’s room is filled with colorful lights. A call from Hana reveals that she’s the source, using a projector out of her window to spill into his room across the way. Aww.

Hana has to pay for a mistake her assistant made in ordering the wrong shoe size for a model, resulting in the model wearing a different pair of shoes for her CF. As Hana gets scolded and sees her assistant in tears, she thinks to herself, “There was a time when tears were my weapon. But now that I’m thirty-four and a team leader, tears equal incompetence, and words are just excuses.”

Seo-hoo pays a visit to Won at work, despite the fact that only employees are supposed to be allowed where he is. The meeting is tense, and it soon becomes clear that neither of them like the other very much. Or at all.

“I just wanted to confirm one thing,” Seo-hoo says dispassionately. “You and Hana are still just friends, right?” Won refuses to answer him on principle, because he doesn’t answer to him.

But he does grab Seo-hoo by the shoulder to warn him against playing with Hana’s emotions, to which Seo-hoo replies that if she wavers because of whatever he does, that’s her decision.

“Listen carefully, Cha Seo-hoo,” Won all but growls. “I’m not going to let a guy like you toy with Hana ever again.” Seo-hoo looks at him with derision and asks if he even has the power to stop him, with both of them seeming to know that he doesn’t.

Hana receives an anonymous gift of a big stuffed bunny at her office, but doesn’t seem to question who it came from all that much. Won would rather her dispose of it, guessing that it came from Seo-hoo, but she likes it—it’s the first time someone’s ever given her a stuffed animal.

Won does his best to keep Hana out, not wanting her to go home to find Seo-hoo waiting. After keeping her out for as long as he can he finally returns her home with her stuffed animal, but makes sure to walk her to the gate. He keeps a sharp eye out for Seo-hoo but doesn’t see him lingering nearby.

At home, her parents sigh about their single daughter, inevitably bringing up how torn up she was after she broke up with Seo-hoo. At least her father seems to have not-so-fond memories of Seo-hoo, since he asks his wife why she’s bringing “that bastard” up again. Plus, he’s more for Hana living how she wants rather than Hana living only to get married. (Go Dad!)

So-eun scores points with Mi-hyang by serving her her favorite alcohol, though it’s a bit creepy that she found out what she likes by doing research. At the same, she has to ask Mi-hyang about what kind of girls Won likes, what hobbies he enjoys, etc.

Mi-hyang knows she won’t like the answer, since the only girl he’s ever talked about is Hana. The food he enjoys most is whatever Hana’s mother cooks for him. His hobbies are eating chicken feet with Hana and making bets with her. She’s right—So-eun doesn’t like what she says.

But she adds that Won likes a girl who he can take care of and protect, and his original dream was to become a movie director. He had to give it up to face reality, though. So-eun repeats the part about him liking a girl who won’t ever leave him in a way that makes me think she’s totally misinterpreting what that means.

Seo-hoo visits Hana at work (does he have a key to the city?) to surprise her, and it doesn’t seem to be a happy one on her end. He managed to get some time with her by telling her superiors he wants to wear their brand of clothes and shoes, and Hana has to be the one to pick them out for him.

He takes Hana out of the office by the hand, which sends her coworkers into a gossiping frenzy. Once they’re alone Hana pulls her hand from his, but he seems to tune out her protests by commenting on how pretty she looks, and how she’s lost weight. Pushy, isn’t he?

Hana pushes his hand away when he reaches for her face, causing him to laugh that she hasn’t changed. She tries hard to get him to actually listen to her but he still steamrolls over her, this time by saying, “I missed you. A lot.”

He reveals that he’s the one who sent her the bunny, and asks her to remember why he would’ve send that to her before leaving her just like that. This guy seems… unsafe.

Won still wonders why Seo-hoo would’ve given Hana a bunny as a present instead of jewelry or clothes, and asks his coworkers what they think. “That means he’s not putting a price tag on his love,” one notes. “He wants to start their love on a good note. Either he’s a master player or he has zero sense.”

After calling Won, Hana disappears into her own reveries. Looks like she was once engaged to be married to Seo-hoo, and Won was in attendance at her wedding party. When she wakes up from her dream world she finds Won standing over her.

“Seo-hoo came back,” she sighs. “He’s still just does what he wants to do. He’s selfish, arrogant.” Then she tells him about how Seo-hoo barged into her office without considering her feelings, said what he wanted to say, and left.

“You can’t be with Cha Seo-hoo,” Won says firmly. Hana just saying she knows isn’t enough for him—he’d told her before that Seo-hoo was no good. She only admitted it after he threw her away three years ago, as evidenced by the flashback where her wedding guests are all gone, and only she and Won remained.

Hana retreats to her room after her parents display concern over whether she’ll become an old spinster who only talks to her enormous bunny stuffed animal, and she makes a promise that she won’t do as Seo-hoo said and think about why he gave her that gift.

Won thinks back to when he’d hung out with all his and Hana’s old high school buddies, who were all talking about how hung up Hana was over Seo-hoo. It was then that he got a call from Hana saying she was suddenly free—Seo-hoo had an important meeting to go to, and that he’d encouraged her to go hang out with her friends.

She’d thought that was terribly thoughtful of him, but while she was on the phone with Won, Won saw Seo-hoo walk into the bar he was in with another girl on his arm… before joining more girls, and even giving one a gift. Yikes.

Hana pays special attention to what she wears the next day, opting for flashier heels over her more comfortable flats. She pays for it though, and slouches over in pain when she’s alone. Such is a woman’s life.

She looks around to see if she has any special visitors and finds none—instead there’s a flower arrangement waiting on her desk with a note from Seo-hoo that reads: “I’ll come pick you up for dinner tonight.” Hana asks her assistant to throw the flowers away.

So-eun suffers from some mystery illness that she makes a show of, and when Won brings her vitamins to take, she asks, “Oppa, can’t you just keep taking care of me? Then I’ll take care of you.” Oh, is she doing this because of what Mi-hyang said?

Won shuts her down with his answer that he was just a sunbae taking care of a hoobae, but that he does genuinely hope she feels better.

Hana skips out on the company dinner, seemingly waiting for Seo-hoo. When Won texts her to ask her out for a movie, she thinks about declining, and fishes Seo-hoo’s invitation to dinner out of the trash. She actually wants to go?

She doesn’t know what time Seo-hoo wants to take her to dinner, so she ends up saying yes to Won. No sooner does she do that that Seo-hoo texts her saying he’ll be late, but has something he really needs to tell her. She waffles in indecision.

Flash back to her wedding party, where she’d slowly lingered with her dwindling guests until no one but her was left. And Won, of course. In voiceover we hear her say, “I left the important things someplace important, and I’d completely forgotten where that was. I’ve buried the most splendid love and terrible wounds somewhere [where it cannot be found], and I’ve lived my life having forgotten them.”

Hana ends up staying at the office to wait for Seo-hoo, leaving Won to watch the movie alone. Both of them end up getting fed up with being alone at the same time and leave, but when Won calls Hana, she deliberately lets the phone keep ringing. Whyyyyy.

He starts running then, and makes it to where Hana is. He asks her why she bailed when she said she was coming, then guesses that she was waiting for Seo-hoo. He thought she knew better after going through all the hurt she did.

She says that she knows Seo-hoo is a bad person, but she couldn’t help but wonder what he wanted—needed—to tell her. “So you’ve been waiting like this again because of something that bastard said,” Won says, completely frustrated.

Hana knows, but explains that she didn’t get to hear anything when Seo-hoo just left her before. “I want to at least hear an apology, or even an explanation,” she says. It’s like she doesn’t listen to Won when he asks what she plans to do after hearing all that.

“I want to ask why he sent the rabbit doll,” she goes on, and that’s the last straw for Won. Convinced that there’s something bad inside the doll, he takes her by the wrist to her house with plans to rip the darn thing up and show her.

But they run into Seo-hoo waiting outside her house. Though he apologizes for being late, Won pulls Hana behind him protectively and tells Seo-hoo to get lost, in no uncertain terms.

 
COMMENTS

There’s been a lot of talk about protection in this show when it comes to Hana and Won, though there’s a key difference in what that word means to each of them: Hana wants to be protected and is drawn to men who can give her that feeling, while Won—as Mi-hyang put it this episode—wants a girl he can protect.

Hana fell for Sung-jae because he gave her that feeling of protection, and during their last conversation, he admitted that he’d entertained the idea of becoming her protector. Won likes to be that shield for Hana, and now that So-eun’s found that out, she seems keen on manipulating that preference of his for all it’s worth.

So-eun had flashes of being that second lead before, but I was a little surprised at how that aspect of her personality came front and center all of a sudden. I used to feel sorry for her when Won was sending her mixed signals, but it was strange that he was waffling about in indecision before this hour came along and changed everything. Why did he lead So-eun on so long only to draw the line now? I wonder what changed? Well, besides the writer. Again. (I swear, either I’m the curse or I’m cursed when it comes to shows with production woes and sudden writer switches.)

Either way, now that he is trying to be clear about what he and So-eun are to each other, it makes So-eun’s efforts less pitiable and more conventionally unpleasant. But Won’s mind is a mystery to most, it seems—he does his job as Hana’s protector but at a certain cost to her. He does his job so well that he doesn’t feel the need to include her, and has kept her in the dark about a lot of things through their lives, mostly in relation to his feelings. What I’m curious to know is whether he saw Seo-hoo messing around with other women before the wedding and never told Hana about it. If he didn’t, I’d seriously re-evaluate his best friend status.

At the same time, the fact that he was willing to step back and allow Hana to be happily married to someone else says something about him. Either he was content enough to stay as her best friend, or he’s repressed his romantic feelings to the point where he couldn’t bring himself to intercede before her Wedding That Wasn’t. But now that he is stepping back into the protector role when it comes to Hana and her inability to stay away from a man who not only left her at the altar without a word, but who still displays the exact same oh-so-swoonworthy charms she initially fell for, I can’t help but hope against hope that Hana will find the strength to become her own protector.

 
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Hana's ex was so unlikable, like when she talks to him he responds like he never heard a word. Ugh. I hope they can add some depth to him D:

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At least he's bootylicious :D

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I thought he was dashing b4, both in Faith and in P. But this time around, I notice that his eyes always look sleepy. Is it bcos he's playing a jerk that I find him less delicious?

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We were hoping Pinocchio Hyung would heat things up, but he turns out to be a player and a jerk. :(
I don't believe with sb that insincere, there's much depth that can be added.

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first?

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hahahaha

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Dang it

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Thanks Heads!

Pity our much awaited Yoon Kyun Sang has to play such an arrogant, ego-centric, ex-bf. He is easy to dislike so that we root even more for Won, however, wouldn't it have been better to have been written more likable so that we'd have a hard time deciding between the 2 guys?

Still, let's see what the lousy ex is up to and how he can liven up the action (or lack of actually) in this show. :)

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I think the point of the writer is to show that the female lead is strong and hard headed but she's weak when it comes to that arrogant ex bf and the world can see the right man is just next to her the whole time but she's too blinded to see it which makes it all the more frustrating.

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I don't mind that he is a jerkface. I know I'm rooting for Won all the way (though I'm patiently waiting for him to step up!). I don't need to be in a dilemma about which guy is better for Hana because the premise itself is in favor of Won.

Overall, I just don't get second lead syndrome! Or the need for dramas to always have this heroic second male lead. Yeah, I know this is something I have to tolerate because I won't stop watching them, but I'd love to see for once a drama where we want the second female lead to be with the main character. Just to change it up a bit.

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@tapioca pearl

LOL! "change it up a bit"!!! Yes let's turn that trope on its head.

Let's replace So Eun with a lovely ex-girlfriend of Won's who has all the right qualities to win his heart, except that she's not Ha Na... and then let's watch Ha Na trying to figure out if her discomfort stems from having Seo Hoon bugging her or from ex-gfriend's presence. Then unlike Won, Ha Na takes the initiative for a change and confesses to him!!! LOL. Yes, I'd like that!

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That is so rare! Why can't second female leads by mommy long legs? (That sounds creepy--maybe that's why)

Like I said, I tolerate tropes because they just come with dramas, and they don't make me like dramas any less. But the unconventional dramas are the ones that stay with me forever.

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Yes! yes! yes! For a change!

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Hmm... I don't mind Won being Hana's protector especially during this time of her inability to stay away from bad juju but I hope he doesn't protect her from everything. Because that's not how it rolls, Won.

Also, if these new writers create a stupid legit love triangle/square and sustain/drag it for 5+ episodes, I swear I will rage or something.

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@Peeps

"... rage or something." So would I!!!

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@Growingbeautifully Agreed, I was hoping that Seo Hoo would be nice guy, not because he's hyung but I want Hana's dillemma is not choosing who is nicer but who is right/the one for her.

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@gyugu
Yup, you've got that right.

Now, are we going to tear our hair out seeing Ha Na still being swayed continually by the 'bad guy' against all reason ... or will matters with Won finally take off? Or frustration on all levels ... Won won't act to hold her as his gfriend but only stop her from being Se Hoon's gfriend ... but like I asked in another comment below, does Won have the right to do that, unless she is his girlfriend?

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Even if Seo-Hoo's bad, there has to be SOMETHING Hana liked about him! Some girls just fall for the bad guys and there has to be something about him that's making the fierce Ha Na become a pool of mushy marshmallows in front of him. Is it because "he makes my heart beat faster when i'm in front of him"? (that was one of her lines i think). But why. He's currently not coming across as swoony even. Some guys are jerks but some girl cling on to their jerky boyfriends because they have low self-esteem and need a guy to validate their worth. But Ha Na's not that kinda girl!

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You know, I too was wondering what on earth she sees in him? Other than the fact that he's super tall?
He's irksome. i can only think of 2 reasons.

1) She likes bad guys. I have a friend who married her ex because he was bad. She said that it was exciting to be with him. But bad will be bad, and it became so bad that they divorced.

2) Seo-hoo goes for what he wants. I'll give him that. Take for eg, the airport kiss and the airplane lavatory hug. He doesn't care that people might see or find out. And some girls like that. Boosts their self-esteem. Makes them feel like they are living on the edge. Makes the relationship exciting, even if the guy bosses them around.

I believe that Hana had feelings for Won. But because he told her that he can't love her, she's looking for a relationship that is the opposite of what she's having with Won - which is warm and cosy vs edgy and exciting?

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Sigh. If only it were that simple.

Sometimes even girls with hi self-esteem fall for a bad guy, just cos he says all the right things, and has all the right moves. It's not about validation. It can be about one's fantasy of romance, or some kind of shit like that. Serious shit.

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That makes sense, she wants an exciting relationship versus the warm comfy simple and happy one she has with Won. And obviously those kind of relationships don't last long.

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ITA there needs to be something, anything to show why Hana likes this guy and is willing to give him another chance.

not for Seo Hoo's sake but so we the audience can understand Hana's motivation!

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Is centre parting the trend for guys now? Why oh why???

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Yup I do not like the centre-parting.

I was noticing that Won and Ha Na are made to look a little alike in that... even to maybe the way they push their hair off their faces. We become/come to look like the one we love kind of thing?

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@Sona

Yes centre parted guy's hairstyle just does not make one's heart beat faster!!! LOL

I remember how LJW looked in Nine Times... and he was so hot there!!! No centre parting there. :D

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The centre parting is the equivalent of kdrama female leads' bowl cut. I'd say it's successful in rendering LJW plain-ish.

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Sorry @Sona my reply to you went to 7.1.1.!

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Exactly my sentiments too! Especially since my beloved Lee Seunggi was just spotted with a centre parting as well!!! On noes!

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The return of the 90s 'curtains' doesn't impress me much.

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Omg the gall. The gall. I don't believe this woman. SHE HAS SUCH A DAMN THICK SKIN even when Won has rejected her. The only way I can bear this is knowing that he has at least tried to make clear to her.

And I'm so so so happy that Cha Seo Hoo showed up (I still wanna refer to him as hyung) if only because it means that Won is going full force after Hana. *yipee* But hyung's quite an asshole here. Oh well. Something's gotta give, I guess. From the flashbacks, I wonder if he left her all alone at their engagement party? (Since the cake wasn't cut) Or was she left alone at her friend's party?? So heart-wrenching, either way. I don't know if my heart bleeds more for Hana or for Won.

By the way, that preview. Does this mean we're one step closer, finally to knowing what Won's secret is? I sure hope it delivers, after keeping them apart for 17 long years.

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@ osmanthus tea

"...Won has rejected her. The only way I can bear this is knowing that he has at least tried to make clear to her. "

If having a change of writers has made him clearer in this aspect, then I am glad of it! :D He was too enigmatic and it was easy to read his responses for or against ... could have been interpreted as interested in the girl ?..., willing to let her try? ...., just platonic but not rejecting. Now it should be clear even to So Eun who refuses to see much except what she wants to see.

There are some similarities to lousy 'hyung' Seo Hoon here!!! Thick-skinned as you say ... to be willingly blind to rejection is really something and taking it a step too far!

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I find them similiar! Both thick-skinned and manipulative.
in this rp, he doesn't give her a chance at all by using her company to select his clothes and shoes and even for asking Hana specifically to work on his request. So So-eun- like. Only difference is that she has big doe eyes, while his are shifty sleepy ones.

They should end up together! Then they can play manipulative scheming games together! So fun! And Won and Hana can bet who will win! Yay!

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Hah, putting So-eun and Seo Hoon would be good. Although i also had the thought that if SH started to like So-eun, Won might be more protective of So-eun and things will drag. >_<

After episode 5, I feel that Seo Hoon is a little more straight forward than So-eun. He's still selfish, sees only what he wants to, and tries to bulldoze his way into things. But at least he's not pretending to be sweet and innocent.

So-eun, from the way she muscled into their bicycle date, all those sucking up to Mi-hyang for intel, and even that atrocious 'oh I was curious' set up (i'm trying not to give spoilers) in episode 6 just makes her vile. I prefer my villains bold, or truly conflicted. Not two-faced.

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Writer aside, I'd like to think that Won is now motivated, after seeing Seo Hoon show up (and Hana's ambivalance to giving exes a second chance), to make his position slightly clearer. Even if he doesn't go after Hana openly, at least he wants her to stop thinking of him and So-eun as a given item?

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That woman:
Sb should take her aside and tell her that her way of sticking to a guy wins no pts, cos who would want that clingy or controlling a GF or heaven forbid, Wife! Guys want space.

Won's secret:
At this pt, I'm thinking the only way his behavior can make sense to me is that he is either gay or impotent! Tho of course that can't possibly be the case.

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Right! But mi-hyang told her totally the wrong stuff. Ugh. Why is she so gullible? She looked quite sharp in episode 1. )=

Won: he can't be gay. Or he wouldn't even be attracted to her hahaha. But impotent... there's always that possiblity, but that'll be atrocious makjang! It's not very convincing too, cuz I don't think that's the sort of concern that highschoolers would have, right? I still can't find a damn solid reason, either than long-lasting trauma from mom. Maybe the parents also used to be best friends, so he's all the more scarred?

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I've been thinking about psychopaths as many shows have characters with psychopathic tendencies ...

Thoughts about Seo Hoon - psychopathic in his disregard of the feelings of others, no thought to apologise, he makes everything about him, he manipulates... So if Ha Na is drawn towards him, he might have put on the protector role from time to time to woo her? But there's no sign of it here. Otherwise is she drawn to the 'bad boy' who just grabs the girl and steam rolls over her wants and decisions? I guess we need to know more about their r/p. I hope she's got a more healthy attitude towards what is attractive in a man ... healthy for her anyway.

Thoughts about So Eun - persistent to the point of being increasingly annoying. Just going for what she wants regardless of the wishes of others. She also seems a little psychopathic to me. Aside from that, I deplore that she is lacking in self-respect. Mi Hyang telling So Eun that Won likes a girl who won't leave him, might turn her into a stalker or something. I just feel so embarrassed for So Eun who is repeatedly asking for attention, putting herself in a position that can humiliate her. Yet she does not seem to feel humiliated?

Thoughts about Won - Would his being affected by his mum's leaving him so that she could be with another man have a great bearing on why he is not trying to get a gfriend or to date Ha Na? Was it mentioned if the father was still around at that time when the mother left? Did he consider the mum leaving him a betrayal of him and is father? Too much left unspoken. We need to know more of Won's thoughts.

I'm beginning to be bothered by Won's being so much focused on Ha Na and in her life. Does being a good friend, give him the right to 'protect' her so much... to the point of hiding information? Should he not let the decision of how she should react to Seo Hoon rest on Ha Na herself or should he even consider that he should protect her from herself? Or is he just keeping her for himself? And does Ha Na not notice that Won is also a little over-protective? He seems to not trust Ha Na to be emotionally mature or clear-headed enough to deal with Seo Hoon on her own.

I think I would have liked better if Won had told Ha Na that he had seen Seo Hoon around. He could have prepared her a bit and explained that the bunny probably came from Seo Hoon. She could then have made a decision about keeping it or not. After all even though she dithered, her first reaction was to throw away the card from Seo Hoon. If she has to make a mistake again and get hurt again, it is hers to make and not for family or friends to shield her from. Part of loving people is letting them go and grow with the prospect of being hurt... pain is involved in that process for both parties. So is Won protecting himself as well as Ha Na?

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I agree with how Won should've told Hana about her ex being back in town. However, I didn't mind that he was trying to protect her from Seo-hoo. The bastard left her at the altar and left her a mess afterwards and then comes waltzing back in as if he was the one who was hurt this whole time. Won knows he's bad for her, and she knows it too. I hated seeing her resolve break for Seo-hoo, and his arrogance! Telling her he'll see her tonight without a specific time, as if knowing and expecting that she will wait around for hours...ugh...and then she did...smh. I totally see it from Won's perspective. Yes, he loves her loves her, but he's also a good friend who doesn't want her hurt again.

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But not only saying he'd see her later tonight and saying he'd be late. But saying nothing more... and then waiting for her at her HOUSE! It's as though his main aim was to see how long she'd wait for him at the office before giving up and coming home. What. A. Psycho!

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Agree! I think that was really Seo-hoo's aim - if Hana still has feelings for him. He's the unlikable character here and I like that there is one.

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Cannot agree with you more! He's playing games with her! Like a cat toying with a mouse!

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YES. Asshole.

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I agree that it isn't right for him to withhold information. But I like that it's all messy. It's so much more like real life. Won taking charge and withholding information from Hana strikes me as more of a knee-jerk reaction, rather than something he thought through.

As for So-Eun, ugh. I wonder if it's lack of self-respect or that she's just crazy. I quickly had absolutely no sympathy for that girl. She bulldozes her way through life and makes her own trouble. And she can't be told anything other than what she wants to hear (she puts a self-serving spin on absolutely ev-er-y-thing).

People were feeling bad that Won wasn't making things clear to her. Sheesh...not his responsibility! She pushed her way into his life, uninvited. He did nothing to mislead her that he was remotely interested. The only times that he got together with her, happened because she overtly manipulated him into doing it. And even when he tells her outright that he's not interested, she doesn't listen. She strikes me as being one heartbreak away from going all Fatal Attraction on us. (RIP Hana's bunny doll.)

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I'll give Won a pass about seeing Seo Hoon at the party. Since Hana said Seo Hoon told her he's meeting friends, and Seo Hoon wasn't on a one-on-one date, it's not exactly an outright lie? It's definitely not great that he's meeting all these girls without his girlfriend, ditching her actually, but it's not something you can decisively pin him down for. A little vague.

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I tried giving So-eun the benefit of the doubt, but seeing that she's taking Won's rejection as further encouragement, I'm done talking about her. And to answer why he's suddenly firm with her about his feelings, I'm guessing Seo-hoo's re-entry into their lives might've spurred that.

Errrr, Seo-hoo! Don't like him, so conceited, so entitled, so annoying, so arrogant, so pathetic! And I like that I don't like him, but I'll be sorely disappointed if Hana goes back with him. One thing that bugged me about his casting is that I know he's like 28 in real life, but he looks so young to me that I can't take it seriously when he goes head to head with Won.

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I was busy complaining about Ha-na and kinda forgot about So-eun. But I too feel like her antics aren't even worth discussing. What I dislike the most about her is that no one calls her out on her behavior. I am glad Won attempted to be honest with her at one point but I think the time to have a backbone was when she showed up uninvited for their bike ride.

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"Tapioca" . Is it the tapioca i'm thinking? Like , the food? Hahaha . I'm sorry if i 'm out of line here, but it's a traditional food in my country :)

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I think Hana will still go back to him. Why?

First, she thinks that no other man would like her. Second, she thinks Won doesn't like her as a woman and even if they will be together, what will happen when they broke up?
She thinks they will lose their friendship like forever.

And lastly, she only thinks that Seo-hoo, despite of being a bad guy, can give her the assurance of being loved as a woman.

Love this drama, I don't feel bored watching it even it has no big twists.

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Excuse the rant to come, but this is the first drama in a while that has produced such a visceral dislike to something the heroine has done for me. Accepting Won's movie invite then not showing up without even bothering to show common courtesy and give him a heads up--not cool. But the fact that her disregard for his feelings was due to waiting for a jerk face who hurt her and had the gall to show up out of the blue and tell her he'd meet her and didn't bother to even give her a time--I'm like who are you and where is your [email protected] brain?

Can I slap her?

Can I kick him?

I loathe this portrayal of women and I particularly hate the direction of Ha-na's character if this is how she will behave. I especially hate the portrayal in light of the original version--whose heroine had so much more life and umph than Ha-an and who (at least for the first 3/4 of the drama acted as though she had the ability of rational thought and had at least a modicum of self-esteem). But this drama has manage to suck all of the spark out of the original.

I hate to play that it's-not-like-the-original card but I can't help it. Reading all of your comments in the first 4 episodes prompted me to watch the original (my first Chinese drama and only my second ever non-Korean drama). Finished it a few days ago and I must agree that it was quite good. As a remake, unless something drastically improves with this Korean version, I can't see this shaping up enough to be even passable.

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I didn't watch the original, and I still agree with you. The weird thing is that I managed to dislike both lead characters now:

Seo-hoo is a jerk and all, but Won trying to control Ha-na's relationships behind her back is just as objectifying as Seo-hoo (even if Won hadn't ulterior motives).

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I wanted to slap her silly too.

I could probably forgive her a little if she just really wants closure and if she wasn't such a jerk and sent a message to Won that she won't be able to join him after all instead of letting him wait there for nothing. I mean, heck, I'd want to understand too why my fiance left me (assuming that was their engagement party or something). If the jerk suddenly shows up with his ugly face, memories and the 'whys' would definitely fester probably anyone. But still, if you are going to do something stupid then can you please make sure you are not making someone else waste their time?

Argh! I don't even know if I should still watch the following episodes because Ep 5 left a bad taste in my mouth (which makes me feel really sad because I like HJW).

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I'd want to know why my fiancé didn't show up for our wedding....for about a month. Thereafter? Not interested. After getting beyond the point of confirming he wasn't hospitalized and in a coma, nothing could possibly justify the no-show and the lack of immediate communication to explain why it happened. At that point I'd just ride-out the pain and be thankful I saw his true colors before it was too late.

BTW...I liked episode 6. It has some seemingly positive developments and we finally get a little more insight into what holds Won back. :-)

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I agree that it was not cool of her to stand him up. However, I could understand why she did it. Like I said earlier in this thread, I like that they're making things a little messy, like real life. What I saw her do was a knee jerk reaction to avoid Won.

Cognitive dissonance messes with good judgment. Her relationship with the ex is like an addiction. She actually made the decision to open lines of communication with him when she put on the heels that morning. But she was lying to herself about it, because deep down she knew it was the wrong thing to do. Reopening the door to him would mean betraying herself. So when she was still lying to herself that she would remain true to herself, she accepted the movie date. But when she got the second text her pretext crumbled.

And guilt often provokes avoidance. She didn't want to explain why she wasn't coming to the movie. So she simply clammed up and shut off communication.

Anyway, that's my assumption on what motivated her actions.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Gidget. It puts things in perspective.

I think I'd wait for Heads recap of Ep 6 before watching the episode itself.

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Yes, I agree with you. I was orginally mad at Hana for not standing Won up, but I think that she fekt guilty and so avoided telling him. She also knows that if she told Won that she had changed her mind, Won would know that she was planning to meet Seo-hoo. And he would do what it takes to stop her.

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@ Crazyahjummafan and Gidget

Same here. I was displeased with Ha Na for not telling Won that she would not meet him, but she did not want to tell him why she had changed her mind and she did not want to lie, so opted for total avoidance.

She knows Won well enough that he would keep nagging her and probably turn up to stop her from meeting with Seo Hoon, but I wonder if she knows how far she is being protected by him, (including being kept in the dark so that she will be protected) and whether she minds or will mind when she finds out.

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Good points Gidget! And I even agree with your assessment. She still peeved me greatly though. Even if she didn't want to tell him why she couldn't make it I would have at least been more satisfied with her telling him that she couldn't make it.

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Im on your side because if a man left me standing at the alter and I had not had a word in three years then there is nothing to explain because that say's it all.

But in case that is not enough he invites her for dinner and never shows but sends a text saying he is running late. Do you know what kind of a door mat you have to be for a man who has not seen you in three years to think he could behave this way and you would be ok with it.

If this week end she does not take a stand and send this jerk packing then she has no hope of being saved from jerks.

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Mi Hyang is so fickle. Wasn't she Mir's fanclub president? She left him so easily for Woo Hyun.

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Horrible. i have no other words for the fifth and sixth episodes . If these have been written by the new writers, no help at all...and that hoobae is a total pushover . man so annoying . i watched this for the leads but so disappointing...ha na does not seem business like at all. and the 34 year old woman joke is so repetitive. I dont think i can take the show anymore !

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When watching this drama I get surprised whenever it ends. It's a mystery how in almost every episode that nothing happens I do not get bored. I instead get more and more curious about what the characters are hiding.

I am wondering if Won thrratened Seo Hoo that he will reveal to HaNa his lying to HaNa to be with other girls, which made Seo Hoo not come to the wedding. But would't that be extreme. And the fact that she doesn't know yet why she was left in the wedding hall will turn out worse if Won actually knew why.

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Thanks for the recap. I'm curious as well to whether Won told her or not and I definitelyyy agree that his bff card needs some looking into if he didn't tell her. It just makes me wonder if he didn't tell Hana how he felt back then when she was about to get married to an a-hole no less, what it's going to take for him to confess his feelings now?

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Lol. And this, Ladies and Gentlemen, is where I stop watching the show. The ex is so... Ugh. I get goosebumps. He isn't even a worthy competitor for Won. This cannot even be called a love triangle because her relationship with her ex is basically abusive. AH! That was what it was, the reason I was feeling so uncomfortable. It was the abusive relationship vibe.
I am a huge fan of Pinocchio and the bromance there had my heart in pieces (I think we can all agree Lee Jong Suk is the KING of bromances... Cue School 2013 with the immaculate Kim Woo Bin) and I was really impressed with Yoon Gyun Sang. That was his first drama and I felt he was an awesome actor. I felt he played his character as damaged murdering hyung to perfection! Perfect perfection, I tell ya. Now, I am rethinking. Maybe Jong Suk was the flame to his candle. Because I am getting very stiff vibes in here. Almost Kim Hyun Joong of Boys Over Flowers all over again (okay maybe not that bad, but still.) *sigh* And to think I started this show because of him... Or maybe he isn't that bad and its just his character pissing me to hell and back.
Anyway, Can we talk about how AWESOME Ha Ji Won looks for 37?

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I can't stressed enough how much disappointing this episode was and how frustrating they made the second male and female lead to be. Yes, yes, yes, though to how awesome HJW looks! She just glows every time she's on screen.

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Well, to be fair, maybe this character was just kinda flat, so hyung didn't get much chance to showcase his depth of emotions? *sigh*

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Ugggh, they turned the 2nd female lead into a STALKER....

How else can you explain that she shows up unasked for when Won has clearly stated that he's not interested in her in that way?

The 2nd female lead in ITWY was actually kind of cute in her take charge way, and the male lead actually DID date her. And you felt real sympathy for her in trying to deal with the "friends-but-more-than-friends" aspect of the lead couple. But now they've turned her into a nightmare girl from my real life, who just ignores his opinion and treats him like an object to be won instead of a human being.... I'm not going to watch this now, even though I like HJW and LJW.

I liked the original, but didn't complete it, and I was hoping that this version would be one that I could see all the way through. But I have enough problems dealing with a stalker in real life. I don't need to see performed out for me here.

BTW, I know most posters are sane and reasonable here in that they are also disgusted with the 2nd female's behavior, but I feel the need to say this.

NO MEANS NO.

It doesn't matter if you're a male who really likes a girl or a female who really likes a guy or a male who likes a guy or a female who likes a girl.

If someone says they're not interested in you in that way, ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON.

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You too? I was thinking that So Eun's behavior was eerily like an old high-school-acquaintence-turned-stalker who was causing me trouble a while ago. It's surprising how fast those situations can turn from casual, friendly and seemingly innocuous, to suddenly outright creepy. Sorry you're having to go through it.

In the drama, So Eun's always showing up with food. I keep shouting at the screen 'don't eat that...you don't know what she put in there!'

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Yeah. I'm still in the midst of it. I don't know if Won was clear about not dating her, but from the sounds of it, he was pretty firm.

We went on 3 or 4 dates, but I wasn't really interested after getting to know her, so I said "let's just be friends," but she kept inviting me to couples things, which I declined. Finally, I told her that I wasn't comfortable with going to these events, because they seemed more like date-things, and I didn't want to give her the wrong impression that I was still interested in her.

At first, she was like "Oh, thanks for being honest with me." But then, she said, "You're in love with me and you don't even know it...."

She even brought me a cake one time to apologize for her behavior, which I accepted just so she would leave me alone, and I had the exact same thought you do about accepting food from a stalker. It went in the trash....

And no matter how clear I am that there's going to be nothing between us, she keeps coming back to various places that I frequently go to, even coming to a place that I didn't think she even knew about....

It came to a head last Friday where she came bearing a congratulatory gift for a contest I had qualified for, which she wouldn't know about unless she was scouring for news on me....

I'm going to look to see if I can get a restraining order on her.

So sadly enough, the way that So-eun is written now is actually realistic, but it's quite different from the character it was based off of in the original, who you could empathize with and wasn't a total nutcase.

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@Requiem
Thanks for your sharing. I commiserate with you. Horrible to have someone so intrusive in your life like that.

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@Requiem
The reality and woes of being stalked! My hubby too was stalked way back when we were both in university. She was a little strange - a loner, and my husband took pity on her and was nice to her, and ended up being stalked by her. Despite telling her that he had a girlfriend (me) and even introducing me to her, she still continued. She would wait for him outside the lecture theatre so that she could sit beside him during lectures. So he got a good friend who was taking the same course to sit with them, so that there would be no misunderstanding. She would even try to follow him back to the hostel where he was staying. Frightened that she would follow him back to his room, he would get his friend to distract her, so that he could escape.
Finally, he brought her to a counsellor.

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wow, you must have some charm for her to stalk you everywhere! Sorry to add to your pain... For Won, I dont think he was clear, he went to the museum with her and other stuff and when she ask if she was his gf, he didnt say no!

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Yeah, I wish I could turn off that charm just for her :p....

Won was definitely not clear in early episodes. But just because he wasn't clear before doesn't mean that he wasn't clear this episode which I have not watched and don't plan to because it'll probably giving me hives watching my life played out on the screen.

In fact, that's a part of the reason why I couldn't finish off the original. In the original, it was more a part of the male lead's character that he was really beta and wouldn't say what he wanted (not like this version with a scarred parental issue), and it kind of drove me nuts that he wouldn't say anything to the female lead about his true feelings.

If he makes it clear that he's not interested, it doesn't matter if they were considered bf/gf, NO MEANS NO. Particularly since she was the one pushing the envelope.

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i just wish they cast a hotter star for the role of Seo-hoo (the taiwanese version got sunny wang, it works)

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Well this started out fine but now the story has swerved a bit to far and it's become a mess. No doubt it can ruin a drama to lose writers. So now we've got everyone behaving so stupidly you'd just like to throw water on them all. Obviously there are revelations and tears ahead of us. but will we care? Hana must be a Gemini because one minute she's talking baby talk and acting like a large child the next she's back in her heels and being a self serving B*tch with a capital B. Won is about as sexy as dried herring. I hope that's what they were going for with this. Lee Jin wook is usually a sure bet for drama steam but this time I'm not feeling it, maybe it's the hair. Yeah I'm not sure at this point if I even care this couple gets together. They're both annoying.

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I've loved the second lead in faith and pinocchio !!! It's hard seeing him act like a jerk !!!

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I think because it's Hyung acting as Seo Hoo, I don't find SH all that jerky. I actually enjoy seeing his parts as he adds some sizzle to the screen. I really want to know what made him disappear from Hana's life for a few years, and hopefully he can be redeemed somewhat? If his character has nothing to root for, then there is really nothing much to watch and Won will win hands down.

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I find Mi-hyang refreshingly astute. She is so spot-on!

I like that she wasn't fooled by So-eun's attempts at being nice to her. And I like the way she tried to tell So-eun that she doesn't stand a chance with Won. Haha! Won is a picky eater, but he likes Hana's mother's cooking; his hobbies - making bets with Hana and eating chicken feet with her. But the dense/ foolish/ thick-skinned/ abnormally positive/ psychopathetic So-en still can't get it.

I also like the way she told Won to continue playing house with Hana and marry her when they are old in tht sarcastic, matter of fact way. They are 'playing house' and the way things are going, they'll probably end up single 20 years later - only to marry each other, cause no one else will want them.

I also thought it rather funny when she asked Won why he was so happy. Then told him to tell her what it was as long as it had nothing to do with Hana. Then there was silence. Haha. I'm really not surprised that Won is not in a relationship. How can he? When EVERYTHING he does and loves/hates revolves around Hana? I certainly wouldn't want to date a man like that.

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I found that part funny too, because not only was there silence, but his facial expression from smiley (you look happy) to pouty (except if it has to do with Hana) to smiley again (ok, tell me even if it's about Hana), was just hilarious :)

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I have such mixed feelings about Mi-hyang. She doesn't seem to be completely discouraging So-eun, imo. She tells So-eun the truth about Won and Hana, quite matter-of-factly. But through all their dinners, she kept trying to encourage So-eun. And the tidbit about him wanting to be a movie director, was probably to help So-eun find a way of approaching Won?

I thought that Mi-hyang looked surprised when Won said maybe he'll do just that with Hana! Like she was joking as always, not really meaning it, and there he goes admitting it...

And there's no reason for her to tell So-eun about Hana's private life / past relationships. SHEESH.

I really liked her personality though, so I hope Mi-hyang will be a supporting character i'll root for eventually!

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@ osmanthus tea

"I have such mixed feelings about Mi-hyang. She doesn’t seem to be completely discouraging So-eun, imo. ... And the tidbit about him wanting to be a movie director, was probably to help So-eun find a way of approaching Won?"

I felt that Mi Hyang was trying to be objective and fair. She had accepted So Eun's 'friendship', gave info up to a point truthfully, and just spoke about her cousin, Won in the normal way that most of us would about a mutual acquaintance/friend.

SPOILER?? Was the below in Ep 6?
"I thought that Mi-hyang looked surprised when Won said maybe he’ll do just that with Hana!"

Won has convinced everyone that he is just friends with Ha Na. Even both families, that's why Ha Na's family wants to 'get them together' and Mi Hyang was surprised.

"And there’s no reason for her to tell So-eun about Hana’s private life / past relationships."
Well that much info to explain Won's anger I suppose is justified. I just hope that it does not give So Eun more ammo to use.

It could get her to 'team up' with Seo Hoon though and make this more interesting.

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Although, I found the last 2 episodes not as good as the first 4 but it is still enjoyable to me. To be honest, I am sick of all the comparisons to the original. Can't we just take this as a new drama instead?

I love both HJW and LJW, I think they're both doing a fine job!
I love Hana's clothes..HJW simply look more and more gorgeous!

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+10 on comparing. It's hard to not compare... but it really makes enjoying what's good in a current viewing that much harder to come by, and spoils one's appreciation for the show and the hard work of the production team.

Yes to the clothes. It's so nice seeing her in fashionable stuff. Loved most of her wardrobe!! Sadly, I'll never be able to wear those heels, but no harm in ogling them LOL!

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I too am quite tired of the comparisons. Now. I just scroll through them.

And Yes! I love HJW's clothes - most of them and the SHOES! I have a shoe fetish, so this show feeds it!

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Actually I like the last 2 episodes also.At least the story is moving now.I found that some viewers are so critical.Is it because it's HJW?. If they would just stop comparing the 2 dramas.Ariel Lin is not Ha Ji won and Ha ji won is not Ariel Lin.Just enjoy the drama.Thank goodness it is HJW and LJW, we all the problem going on behind the scene.They are both professional actors.Fighting.

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With the behind the scenes upheavals, it will be amazing if we get a coherent show, actually.

Maybe now I'm watching this not only in the hopes of a well rounded resolution, but to see how much of a mess it's going to be with 'disagreeements' off-stage.

If the writing goes downhill (using silly tropes or no progress or going back and forth repeatedly) and Ha Ji Won and Lee Jin Wook still remain mostly likable at the end of this, it will be kudos to them. :)

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I understands that Won did tell Hana about her ex being player. They talked about this in hotel scene. What I wonders are:
1) Won didn't give up the fight with the boys in high school to question why he'd not love Hana. He loved her for 17yrs. Then, how he could easily let her marry with her ex? Sacrify?
2) What's the reason for the ex to disappear on the wedding date?
3) How about the relationship between Won, Hana, & her boyfriend before their married plan? Both guys seemed very intense, how they felt about each other & what each level of their importance to Hana?
4) I think both Won's mom & Hana are similar to the point that they left Won for their lovers. This could make Won to withdraw to express his real feeling?

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@rating
My reply to you went to Comment 26.

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"...Won did tell Hana about her ex being player. They talked about this in hotel scene."

I have to watch that scene again then, I did not notice a reference to her ex being a player... about her not choosing good guys maybe but that ex in particular, I'm not sure.

"how he could easily let her marry with her ex?"

Ha Na is headstrong and Won as a friend has no rights to hold on to her or prevent her from dating others. It was not easy but Won would have had not choice.

As for the rest of your questions, we are still waiting for the answers to be revealed to us. :)

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Not liking the second male lead. Not as in his personality sucks but as in i dont really understand what his character is supposed to be but not interested to know more either.

Oh well DB i rely on ur recaps now! Thanks for this.

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I love how they use old 90s songs -- back in the day, Oasis' iconic Wonderwall was an all-time favourite.

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