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Six Flying Dragons: Episode 27

While daylight thankfully features more heavily in this episode, I can’t very well help it if Bang-ji looks his most captivating at night, what with the light dusting of snow and almost palpable anticipation for the battle in store written all over his features. But there is an episode that’s not just him in a dark forest, and it’s a good one—there’s no doubt that we’ve dropped back a bit to set up for the next phase, but that doesn’t mean there can’t be some loaded surprises along the way. Just how we like ‘em.

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EPISODE 27 RECAP

Bang-won tries to buffer Jung Mong-joo’s shock at seeing the map of New Joseon by asking him about the letter that brought him here. He hands it over numbly, his eyes still fixed on the revolutionary mural.

The letter he received bears Nameless’ Red Seal, and had instructed him to go to the cave in order to learn an important truth about Jung Do-jeon. Knowing that there’s no way out, Jung Do-jeon dismisses the other dragons so he can speak to his old friend and respected colleague alone.

Since there’s no reason to be anything but plain now, Jung Do-jeon tells Poeun that they’ve been using this cave to establish a system for the creation of a new nation. Poeun knows he shouldn’t be so surprised when Ha Ryun had warned him this was happening, though he hadn’t wanted to believe it before.

Still, Jung Do-jeon claims that all this was to keep a promise he made to him, and flashes back to when he’d pulled a dagger on Kim Yong, the man responsible for the false royal command that ended with the deaths of the four heroic generals. Not to mention, the deaths of the children in the cave.

To his surprise then, Kim Yong had claimed that he forged nothing—it was the king himself who ordered such a heinous act. He’d run away when his people were in danger, yet the four generals had saved the capital and gained the people’s admiration that he’d lost. Fearing their power, he’d given the order so they could be killed.

This had understandably come as a great shock to Jung Do-jeon, and the betrayal by his own king disheartened him enough for him to burn books of Confucius and Mencius’ teachings. Jung Mong-joo saw him and tried to save the sacred texts, but Jung Do-jeon’s malaise then turned into rage.

If the king could commit murder just to keep his power, Jung Do-jeon argued, then both Confucius and Mencius were wrong—politics and justice are not one and the same. But Poeun had been there to shake his friend by the shoulders to bring home the fault didn’t lie in the teachings, but in the people who don’t follow them.

Unlike Buddhism, Poeun had said, Neo-Confucianism had no focus on what would happen in the next life, but in the one they already had. That with diligence and devotion, anything is possible. Jung Do-jeon had taken those words to heart, and with a tear running down his cheek, had asked if it was really possible that through devotion and diligence, he could make a world like Confucius and Mencius believed in.

Jung Mong-joo, just as emotional, had reassured him that he could. And not just him, but they together could create that world. In the present, Jung Do-jeon admits that he trusted in Poeun’s promise so much that he devoted all his time to thinking of how he could make such a world come to fruition.

And now, by dragging out reams and reams of papers covered in ink, he asks his old friend to just hear him out.

While Boon-yi, Bang-won, and Moo-hyul debate outside over how Jung Mong-joo will react to hearing everything, Boon-yi’s prediction that he’d be excited upon hearing about all the reforms turns out to be true. The idea that government positions would be decided by standard civil service exams and not by nepotism alone is enough to bring a smile to Poeun’s face.

The trio’s prediction that they’d stay up all night talking also proves to be true, since they see the sun begin to rise while still being relegated to a fire outside the cave. Bang-won uses this opportunity to ask Boon-yi why she acted so tired and strange when Nameless was mentioned the day before, only for Boon-yi to dodge and reroute the question.

Instead, she wonders why Nameless would’ve sent Jung Mong-joo when they’re only out to interfere with their plans—meaning that they couldn’t have been planning on Poeun to be agreeable.

And he is to a certain point, since he loves all the reforms Jung Do-jeon has put forward. But whereas Jung Do-jeon wants to use those reforms to create a new nation, Poeun doesn’t see why they can’t be enacted within the framework of Goryeo. This prompts a heated debate about which of the two plans is more Confucian in nature, with both men vowing stubbornly that they’ll convince the other to see their side of things.

When Bang-won finds out that Jung Mong-joo heard everything only to disagree, he instantly wants to order Moo-hyul to keep an eye on him, explaining that he can’t be trusted now that he knows their secrets. Jung Do-jeon does trust him though, and thinks he’s gone off only to try and convince Lee Seong-gye.

But Bang-won raises an important question, if not one Jung Do-jeon doesn’t want to hear: “What if he’s not? What if he’s going to the investigation bureau to report Father and have him arrested? What if that’s the reason Nameless sent him here?” He can’t understand how Jung Do-jeon, who suspects everyone, could trust Poeun so blindly that he wouldn’t even have him followed.

So, Jung Do-jeon offers to make him a bet. If he wins, Bang-won can do nothing to Poeun. “Yes,” Bang-won agrees. “But if I win, then I will act on my own.” Foreboding words, to be sure.

Jung Do-jeon thinks back to how Jung Mong-joo had accused him of contradicting himself, since he wants to make a Confucian nation by using treason, which is the complete opposite of what Confucius teaches. That’s the very reason he wants Poeun on his side so badly, so that he can keep his less-than-Confucian tendencies in check.

As Jung Do-jeon predicted, Jung Mong-joo pays a visit to Lee Seong-gye in order to plead for him to stop Jung Do-jeon from making himself a traitor. And thus, he can stop himself from becoming a usurper, by instead using the good ideas Jung Do-jeon has to bolster Goryeo for years to come.

Knowing that Jung Do-jeon desperately needs Poeun on his side for the new nation, Lee Seong-gye asks him to join their cause instead. Naturally, neither man gives in, leaving Bang-won thinking dark thoughts about Poeun. Ruh roh.

Bad news comes their way when the government official hired to take the land surveys (in direct opposition to Jo Joon’s research) winds up dead, murdered by a skilled knife wound to the throat. Strangely enough, this information comes from Master Hong, who picked up some doctoring skills from Nooneasksville.

What’s worse, two more officials tasked with the land surveys have also been assassinated in the same manner, leaving all three dead. Jung Do-jeon finds the last one still in his bed, and shakes as he wonders if this is all because of the land survey. Bang-ji’s biggest concern is whether this was Nameless, or the angry nobility.

Jung Do-jeon believes it’s Nameless, and says as much to Lee Seong-gye. Whoever killed those three officials also had to be behind his assassination attempt, leaving Jung to vow that he’ll find out who they are.

And whether Jung Do-jeon knows it or not, Bang-won does have Moo-hyul keeping tabs on Jung Mong-joo. The news of the three murders spreads to them and everyone else, scaring any would-be officials away from signing up for the job.

Unable to help thinking about their mother and the Nameless seal, Bang-ji approaches Boon-yi to tell her that by tracking down Nameless, he should be able to find their mother. It’ll mean disregarding Gil Sun-mi’s warning against doing just that, but he’s ready to find the truth.

On the other hand, Boon-yi isn’t as much—she’s afraid that if she gets her hopes up that their mother’s alive, she’ll only be let down. And if it’s true that she is alive, then why did she never go looking for them? “I’m sure she had a reason,” Bang-ji offers, though it’s not much comfort.

Since holding off on the land survey would be just what the murderers wanted (but going ahead would also endanger more lives), Jung Do-jeon sends Lee Seong-gye to speak with the tiny King Chang. He sends all his attendants out of the room in the process, including the queen, who is not happy about it.

Lee Seong-gye asks the miniature monarch to review and sign a document, which he then hands over to Jung Do-jeon. Likewise, Yeon-hee gives Cho-young false information about Lee Seong-gye assembling men in secret to perform the land survey, counting on her selling that information to the nobles working against them.

The information reaches its intended targets, leaving Lee Saek’s side bewildered as to what Lee Seong-gye could actually be planning. They pay Jukryong in gold to find out for them, but Gil Sun-mi is the one who volunteers to go out and do the actual sleuthing.

After Jung Do-jeon reminds Bang-ji that their scheme is about finding Nameless and not his mother, the swordsman sets out from the capital in the same disguise as other loyal members of Lee Seong-gye’s army. They all read the instructions Jung Do-jeon has given them once they’re far enough away, and destroy the evidence like true spies.

Bang-won instructs Boon-yi to use her contacts to track down BAEK GEUN-SOO, who they last encountered with the Nameless seal when they were children. Now that he knows he is a Nameless agent and not Lee In-gyeom’s like he’d previously thought, he wagers that finding him might lead them to the root of their problems.

While Young-kyu is tasked with following Jung Mong-joo, we find him paying a visit to the pint-sized ruler, crying because he misses his father. Queen Jung blames it on Lee Seong-gye asking him to sign documents he doesn’t understand, leaving Poeun at an impasse. What can he do for Goryeo when the king is so young?

Bang-won levels Jung Mong-joo with a nasty look as he exits the palace, asking him if he told the king what he knew. Then, more emphatically, he asks why Poeun is so against the idea of a new nation when he’s on board for all the reforms.

He challenges whether Jung Mong-joo is so scandalized because he thinks they’re committing treason against the people or the country, arguing that Mencius was all for putting the people first. He earns Poeun’s ire with this challenge, causing him to speak as his former teacher from Sungkyunkwan: Is Bang-won bringing the people up because they’re what’s truly in his heart, or is he only looking to bolster his family’s name and honor?

To his surprise, Bang-won turns the same introspection back at him, asking if his motivation is really his loyalty to the country or if it’s to secure his name and honor. Poeun fires back that at least he wouldn’t bring harm to history by caring about such things, but Bang-won disagrees.

History, to him, is something for future generations to consider. “You asked me if I held the people close to my heart. Yes, I searched my heart carefully. Thus, there is no moment where I think of the future people of this nation in the name of history. I only hold the people who presently walk this ground, breathe, and grit their teeth to make a living deep in my heart.”

Then, “Thank you for the lesson, Teacher.” Bang-won drops the mic and walks off. (Well, as much as one can in Goryeo.)

Thanks to his wife’s advice, Bang-won pays a visit to his father-in-law, who’s currently entertaining Ha Ryun. When Daddy Min asks what he came for, Ha Ryun correctly guesses/mocks that Bang-won came to ask him to participate in dodang affairs to help him.

Judging by the look Bang-won sends him, that’s exactly what he came for. Effectively embarrassed, Bang-won confronts Ha Ryun outside and dares him to make another guess: “How long will this country last?”

Jung Mong-joo ponders the same question, but unlike Team Joseon, he’s looking for a way to save the nation as it is. He begins to consider that Lee Seong-gye’s initial choice for the throne, Wang Yo (later King Gongyang, the last king of Goryeo), might be a better fit than the baby King Chang.

He visits the prince himself, though he has to wait through an overlong gisaeng’s dance in order to even speak with him. But the gisaeng YOON-RANG (Han Ye-ri, whose voice you may recognize from Imaginary Cat) seems to hold a special place in the prince’s heart.

Meanwhile, Bang-ji stands watch as the three other Jung Do-jeon supporters (Officer Nam and Master Hong included) lay out a map and compass in the middle of the forest. Jung Do-jeon meets them at this secret spot, which turns out to be not so secret since Gil Sun-mi and a contingent of men are watching nearby. Where did Bang-ji’s spidey senses go?

They can’t overhear what’s being talked about, and soon, Jung Do-jeon’s group disperses in different directions. Gil Sun-mi’s men try to piece together what Jung Do-jeon was planning based off the direction he was pointing, and when they rule out that he wasn’t looking for a new capital, Gil Sun-mi realizes something.

Ordering his men to draw their swords, Gil Sun-mi declares that this location is perfect for an ambush. He laughs at the too-late realization, since Jung Do-jeon’s men swarm from the higher ground to surround Gil Sun-mi’s small band.

Gil Sun-mi reminds his men to kill themselves if they’re captured before the fight begins, though Jung Do-jeon’s intent isn’t to capture Gil Sun-mi. He intends to let him escape, and to have Bang-ji and Yeon-hee follow him to gain some clues about who it is he works for.

The two spies do as they’re told by following Gil Sun-mi into the depths of the snowy forest. Yeon-hee leaves a trail of white clay to mark their path, though Gil Sun-mi soon becomes aware of Bang-ji’s proximity as the snow around them seems to freeze in midair.

Every small sound can be heard, even the crunch of snow under Gil Sun-mi’s boot. He makes a run for it, and Bang-ji hones his senses to feel, more than see, where he is. That sense saves him from a sneak attack when Gil Sun-mi comes flying out of a nearby shadow, leaving the two men face to face at last.

“Are you a warrior or an assassin?” Bang-ji snaps. “I am whatever is required,” Gil Sun-mi retorts. He runs, but Bang-ji gives chase and confronts him. Their battle is brief, and soon Gil Sun-mi disappears into the shadows once more.

Luckily, Yeon-hee tracks him to the temple where He, or the mastermind behind Nameless, supposedly waits.

While Jung Do-jeon and his men follow the trail Yeon-hee’s left behind to the temple, she follows Gil Sun-mi to the temple interior. She prepares to lead Jung Do-jeon to the building, but they turn at the sight of a cloaked woman leading an old grandmother (the creepy one we all know) away.

Instantly, Jung Do-jeon and Bang-ji recognize the cloaked woman… as both Yeon-hyang and mother.

 
COMMENTS

Well, we kind of knew that one was coming, since Yeon-hyang certainly wasn’t going to be dead after all the talk and buildup. But what was pleasantly surprising was the ambush Jung Do-jeon staged, since the show went to great lengths to keep their ultra secret plan from us. And to great effect, although that almost goes without saying at this point.

I realized as I was watching Master Hong flip through leaves like playing cards that I wasn’t even concerned as to what Jung Do-jeon’s party was really doing in that forest, since all my focus had shifted to what idiots I thought they were for not realizing that Gil Sun-mi was right there. It feels like forever since Jung Do-jeon has been proactive rather than reactive, so I was half expecting him to be surprised yet again by Nameless’ seemingly endless reach.

What ended up being cherry on top of the well-played sundae had to be Gil Sun-mi’s dawning realization as to what he’d walked into, and how the idea that he’d put himself right where Jung Do-jeon wanted him was so outlandish it was actually hilarious to him. He knew he’d been had, and since I doubt that’s a common occurrence for someone as skilled as Gil Sun-mi, he had to at least give credit where credit was due. I still don’t quite understand who he is though, or whether he’s truly friend or foe. Would the Gil Sun-mi we’re seeing today have saved Bang-ji all those years ago? Was even that part of some bigger plan?

The confrontation between Bang-won and Jung Mong-joo was an ominous one, and as is usual with intellectual conversations between this show’s greatest minds, it was also quite revealing. We already kind of knew where Bang-won stood in terms of his goals and what he’d be willing to sacrifice to achieve them, but it was something else entirely to hear him denounce the idea of acting now in order to secure his name later. That his name in history isn’t of the faintest concern to him (or if it is, it’s a well hidden one) says a lot about his priorities, even if that kind of thinking is a cause for concern in its own right.

Then again, Bang-won’s way of thinking has never not been a source of worry. In that way he doesn’t seem too unlike Jung Do-jeon in rebelliousness, though it remains to be seen how their relationship will weather whatever Bang-won’s got planned for Jung Mong-joo. Because something tells me that if there’s another lesson to be shared between the two of them, it’ll be Bang-won doing the teaching—and knowing him, it won’t be pretty. Or very quick.

 
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Wohoo! The sassy Bang Won is back, and it's time to grasp your dark side completely, son. I've been waiting for the Lee Bang Won vs Sambong showdown. Thanks for the recap, Heads!

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The drama will 100% use Po eun/jung mongjoo's death as the reason for jung dojeon and lee bangwon's to somewhat fall apart.. hongryun and his wifes advice would also be a big part of it.. considering in today's episode, his wife suggested himto have his own people under him too

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(Spoiler)

That's true though. Sambong (Jung Do-jeon) was a genius but he went too far when he got involved in the crown prince selection. Crowning the youngest was very unfair and a slap in the face to the older princes.

Some opposed the youngest as crown prince like Jo Joon and he switched sides to support Bang-won.

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is jung mong joo actual historical figure?

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Yes! He was a revered scholar and the last guardian of Goryeo.

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Even though Poeun (Jung Mong Joo) was killed by Bang-won's order he honored him when he became king.

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Finally! Thank you HeadsNo2 for the recap.

I was too excited waiting for the recaps that I finished Gaksital and Nice Guy so that I won't look for this recap over and over again..hahaha..Thanks!

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Is there a reason why he's Jung Mong Joo in one sentence and Poeun the next? the constant switching is rather confusing :/

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I tend to use both side by side or stick with his pen name. It's shorter lol.

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I used this recap as an experiment, since direct conversations between Jung Mong-joo and Jung Do-jeon start to look too busy in writing because they share the same last name and their full names are always used. I was hoping to ease confusion by calling Jung Mong-joo by his pen name when I could, but if that produced the opposite effect, then I'll switch back.

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i think it's fine! the show uses his name and pen name interchangeably as well so it's shouldn't be something too new or confusing :)

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Watching some sassiness of Gil Seon Mi totally makes me miss his brother Gil Seok Mi (that was his name, right?). Please don't get rid of GSM soon, I really like him (the actor is doing such an awesome job at this!).

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Its gil taemi

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The political discussion was much welcomed. I definitely geeked out a little bit listening to all the fancy talking.

The ambush when Master Hong was holding those leaves like cards... I just couldn't take it seriously anymore, I admit I chuckled. Master Hong, you keep doing you.

Wooow... Can I just sit here and be amazed at how amazingly gorgeous Bang-ji was in the middle of that snowy forest?! Woooow... I seriously.... I had to rewatch that entire sequence at least six times. The cinematography, the music, and of course the very talented Byun Yo-Han. *insert Donkey's (from Sherk) woooow voice*

I love/hate how this is based off of actual history though... The spoilers are too real! I guess I can try to forget history for one or two hours.

Thanks for the recap!! Love reading them!

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Yes!!! Byun yo Han is such a pretty sight amidst all that backdrop!! I love all the characters but at the same time history shreds my heart into pieces of what they become..

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then I am glad I don´t know the history that thoroughly.

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you'll suffer if you knew too much , just like me.. everytime i saw the character like JMJ, JDJ, Nam Eun, Lady Min, MIn Je, King Gongyang, I can't help but remember what I have read about them in the history.. their tragic fate...It's too painful.

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I have read the fate of JMJ and JDJ,
what happen to nam eun, lady min, min je, and king gongyang?

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Nam Eun was killed together with Sambong (Jung Do-jeon) during the first strife of the princes.

Lady Min (Queen Wongyeong) died in the palace at age 55.

King Gongyang was exiled and then (secretly) killed later together with his whole family.

Min Je died in 1408 after hearing of his sons (Lady Min's brothers) exiled.

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It's also sad to see the young King Chang, and knowing his ultimate fate.

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Same here. Although tempted to read about the history. I'm just too lazy to do it though Hahahaha ?

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Bangwon may be blood thirsty but l can see his logic, why should they support a corrupt dynasty when they can replace it

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Thanks for the recaps!

Funny how the new drama Jang Yeong Sil storyline follow right after this show's storyline(Enthronement of Bang-Won as King) and how the important character there weren't significant in this one and vice versa.. :D

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thanks for the fast recap..
this episode really tells us his personality.. he doesn't care if people perceive him as a ruthless ruler in the future cause what's the most important for him is the present... he killed many corrupt officials and potential rivals/enemies for the sake of his people.. no wonder why he is considered as one of 3 great kings of Joseon Dynasty, and one of the best kings in the korean history..
i've been looking forward to this side of him...and more of him and his swordsmanship in the future...

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He is being exaggerated in this drama because he is the hero. Much of his involvement here as a dragon didn't happen in history.
He did care about being remembered as a tyrant. I think every king did.

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Apart from being the "one man power", he did good things for his people during his reign, that's why even now Koreans consider him one of the best kings for those reasons.

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obviously , it didn't happen in the history.. but this drama really defines bang won's personality...maybe it happens but in a different way or events... We can't deny the fact that Goryeo that time was in turmoil..corruption, abuse of power , high taxes, rape, anything could happen if there is no ruthless leader that they fear.. so maybe this make bang won to who he is.... just reading the history, we can define LSG as a weak person.. with 7 years on the throne, the government was in control of JDJ, he can't pass reforms for the people... bang won already knew this, that's what makes him different from his father and maybe resolve to be different from him.. that's why in the history among LSG's sons he was the only one that went to sunkyunkwan.... this drama,though we don't have the basis, somehow really defines his character.
SFD is centered about the monarch YI bang won.. they are not exaggerated cause he is a hero or the main character.. SFD shows us YBW the future King Taejong's point of view...Tears of the dragon drama is based in the real history so they based it on the historical records.. in the eyes of the historians..because of that they just view him in a cruel way.. they never understand that he was a good leader to the commoners..
but in SFD, some are based in the history and some are not..they just add fictional events to make us think what really made him that way and understand his way of thinking ..so in short SFD is YBW's point of view...
YBW contributed the most in founding Joseon but he was denied by JDJ's group...he was not included in the merit subjects .. JDJ view LBW as the threat to the new dynasty.. so that's why without him, founding joseon would be impossible or would take a hundred years... Assassinating political key rivals was already a big help since it would help them to establish joseon in a faster way and i read somewhere that Joseon was easy to establish that time, less blood... unlike the unification of korea.. baekje, goguryeo and silla have been fighting, more people died cause of different ideologies.. so i think that would happen if there is no YBW in the history...
and also i read in every article that King taejong , created the foundation of joseon that would last for more than 500 years...and one of the 3 great kings of joseon..
so he is really a HERO in a different way..

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Look, I know you are very bias when it comes to Bang-won and I understand because I tend to feel bad towards Poeun (Jung Mong-jeon) and Choi Young but I can also point out their weaknesses.

The writers have their own interpretation and that's what we are watching in the drama. You have your own interpretation of the drama and I have mine.
I try to have an open mind to see both sides because they are twisting history here.

No one is denying that Bang-won (Taejong) was a great king but he was also a bloodthirsty tyrant. It is a fact that he killed many people including his own half brothers.

(In my opinion, the final decision was made by his father and his anger should have been directed at him first. I guess he couldn't kill his father so he killed his friends and his father's favorites instead).

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the reason he killed his half brothers and his father's supporters cause JDJ's faction decided to kill Bang won and his brother to secure the throne for the 8th son.. Bang won and his other brothers killed them.. He is not the only one. What the problem with JDJ was he denied BW. BW was not included in the merit subects, they disregarded him despite his contributions cause they view him as a threat to the new dynasty.. what's more painful is JDJ and his group decided to kill him and his brother. he just did that to protect himself.

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Dude, I read history too. The one written by the winners, from Joseon's point of view. Very bias isn't it?

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i dont really think this drama can define LBW correctly
he never actually interacted with those commoners as it is depicted in the drama - so never at that time saw "their" side

he was all for his father becoming king and was always treated as a noble and wished to succeed him - i dont think he thought himself as one of the commoners as it is showcased here also he was never part of the creation of Joseon he followed his father as far as i know and the alliance was only between JDJ & LSG ...

although he did good things for the country and its pp as a king he probably did things for himself first

tyrant are of a specific breed and have specific common characteristic

i am confused here but i dont think that this BW would have become the future king Taejong that is known

although the drama tries to give reasons for his action or is trying to make him more "human" than a tyrant

in real life its unlikely that LBW now would have become king Taejong

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I have so many eye rolling moments with Bang-won out-smarting Sambong in this drama. It's pretty obvious that he is being set up as the hero. He is always showing up to save the day etc etc etc.

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I am getting more tempted to watxhthisbecause of all this Bang-ji and the snow talk when I know I cant commit to watching this series(it's too long and too many political talk and secret!plans I wont understand or know whats happening)

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Watching Master Hong play de facto medical examiner brought to mind (in an unsettling way) TWDR's Ka Ri On.

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I was thinking of the same thing! Hong Dae Hong is hella suspicious right now.

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Me too!

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That scene just made him suspicious and untrustworthy. And he is the master of Gil Tae Mi and Gil Sun Mi.

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Now the Nameless knows the location of Jong de Jeon's office. Why is Jong de Jeon still here?

It is good to see that Mouyul's master begin to look at corpses as Ga Ri-On did in Tree with Deep Roots. So I am still suspicious about his character.

thank you for recap

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The bit about the children who died of hunger in the caves were stupid. Anyone in their right mind would not have waited and left to find food.

This drama is getting stale. What is needed is to inject intrigues among the women, Boon Yi vs Min Da-Gyung. It is more than the 1/2 way mark in this 50 episode drama and where are the sparks, love, romance and poisoning of love rivals.

It gets boring, just watching delusional Confucian scholars babbling on about land reform, civil service exams., rule by a few, etc. Reforms without regime change, bloodless? Ha! Dream on.

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Actually, now that it's getting closer to history, ratings are going up. If the drama deals with conflict between Boon Yi and Lady Min, people would just bash Shin Sekyung yet again.

Everyone just have different preferences. I personally like it. History-wise, the land reform is a big thing. I've been reading about it because I also didn't understand why they have to deal with it for so long. Now, I understand how important it is and appreciate the great dialogue and delivery by the actors.

I also believe that this drama won't go into romance territory.

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The land reform was important and it did happen but I think they are dragging it out for longer than it's needed. It's starting to feel like the border plan in the beginning. We know it's going to pass because history said so but it took way too long in my opinion.

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C'mon! If they have too much romance and poisoning of love rivals, this sageuk will just fall to any other typical sageuks. I would have been dropped it since.

As a matter of fact, Korean viewers care about history more than they do romance in historical dramas. This episode's rating was going up because of that Confucian scholars, land reform and civil service exams.

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So would I. Love stories and romance have their significance, but not in sagueks like these. This drama is on the right track.

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oh cmon, Miss Stereotype, I really don´t want to meet your cousing Mister Cliché. It would be SO yesterdays news to have it center around romance and rivals. widen your horizon a little, go read a history book.

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yes very "stereotypical" like having children and usually by very "cliche" methods

as modern ppl we cant really relate to the ppl then not the common and not the nobles

we can understand the what the drama is trying to convey bt really its pretty impossible to really "feel' and relate to those ppl

but romance and relationship are the same since we are all humans even kings so it is most understandable to want also a part that is more identifiable to us - part of us

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I am fine with no romance both in personal life and in dramas though. especially no children. really don´t need it.

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i meant the turmoil that those ppl went through its hard for ppl from today modern countries to relate to it

and in fact almost all TV and Film have some romance to them sometimes only undercurrent one
but its such a human thing it really is one of the most essential ones

i also can watch without as long as there are enough scenes of the women but i can understand completely those who ask for it

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These delusional Confucian scholars are babbling about important changes that were made to balance out the power in the court and weed out the rich powerful nobles who contributed most to the corruption of the government.

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I guess I shouldn't say balance because they basically took over lol.

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sad to say... but the sewol ferry incident comes to mind. the kids could've gone outside on the deck, but were told to stay inside and they did. cost them their lives.

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If I remember correctly that particular part was added to the drama based on sewol ferry incident. It didn't happen in Goryeo's history.

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what you're proposing for the plot, i feel, is more detrimental to the show. I dislike creating unnecessary intrigues only for the drama to become like other sageuks. I prefer these intellectual conversations and strategies, rather than unneeded drama.

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i would also like to see more of the women to be honest
not one against another but working together
i believe that BY & LM are working for the same cause from different points

the problem of course that women are not recognized in history unless they are of royal families they were NOT part of the border and land revolution as is in the drama even - according to history

so lets hope that once the history gets done theyll give us more of our spirited and great women

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We're crushing hard on Byun Yo Han aren't we? Lol.

I kind of knew that Bang ji hadn't told Boon yi about Gil Sun Mi's warning not to try to find their mom in an earlier episode ( ep. 26) so I wondered at her claim of being tired and her reluctance to discuss her mom, and the mark of the Nameless organization with Bang won. But she explained her reluctance to address the problem of her missing mother with Bang ji this episode.

Her mother has some serious explaining to do of why she never bothered to contact or reach out to her kids after such a long time. The one explanation I can think of is probably her children were threatened with harm or death if their mom didn't cooperate and she agreed to remain silent to ensure the safety of her children. Although considering her children nearly perished from attempted suicide, hunger, and other ills, that wasn't a very fail safe plan.

Can't wait for the next episode!

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Byun Yo Han had me at Misaeng but he certainly solidified it here and I can't wait to see more of him. ?

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I'm with you @neener, Byun Yo Han was stunning in Miseang which was, itself, so stunning that I still think about it every day - a year out now. He got my attention there. I tried to watch the Ex-Girfriends Club drama but found the screechy females too much so I quit after two episode. Dragons is going to make Byun Yo Han a major, major star. It already has - and aren't we all lucky for it?!

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Someone take Bang Won away from Po Eun please. He's giving me a heart attack.

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I've been praying for his safety since last week..but then I want to see BW's dark side again.

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I wanna see his dark side.. I wanna see him kill someone with his sword... not just by ordering someone to kill.. I want him to do it by himself...

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I'm more scared of Jo Young-Gyoo. He was ordered to kill Poeun (if I remember correctly) so I hope they'll stick with it. The way Poeun was killed was brutal.

Moo-hyul is also his bodyguard and servant in this drama so I'm worried that the writers might change it to Moo-hyul. Apparently he is not good enough to be a dragon yet. *sigh*. /rant!!!!!!

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Seriously when will the show introduce him as the 6th dragon? :/

Wasn't Po Eun poisoned? I don't know if I'm remembering correctly but I think I read it in the previous threads. I'm good as long as his killer is not Moo-hyul.

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He wasn't poisoned. I'm not sure how this drama is going to show it but sadly it was brutal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeong_Mong-ju

Spoiler from Tears of the Dragon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibugfKTQegA

It was more dramatic and bloody in Jeong Do Jeon.

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Then what happen to Jo Young Gyo after killing Poeun?

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I don't know sorry.

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it's okay. thanks for the info.. i can't find anything about what happen to him next after killing JMJ...

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@kiara..In Jeong Do jeon drama. Jo Young Gyu(Bw bodyguard) was killed by JDJ...

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LSg was the king already.. BW was sent hostage to Ming.. he volunteer himself to save JOseon// Jo Joon advice JDJ not to make a move against BW ife BW comes out alive .... so went BW went home... I think it's in the part of dissolution of private armies.. JO Young Kyo talked to JDJ about BW.. then he was killed by JDJ in front of JDJ's factions.. i think this is one of the reason why BW wanted to kill JDJ...Dissolution of private armies, plotting to kill BW and killing of Jo Young Kyu.. this made BW angry..

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I watched the part when he killed Poeun and cried my eyes out so I stopped watching after that. That's why I missed it. He was told not touch Poeun but he did anyway.
Moo-hyul then will take over as Bang-won's bodyguard. Maybe he will get his dragon episode soon.

This was the beginning of their feud no doubt.

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Thanks for the info :).

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I don't want JO Young Gyu die.. i cried when he was killed by JDJ.. It was too horrible... Poeun was brutally killed.. he should have been poison than killing him that way.. BW did that thing just to save his father, LSG was hurt after he fell from the horse so Poeun take this to his advantage and kill LSG but BW killed him first.. I hope that after killing Poeun , JYG went into hiding.. but he still stayed with BW.. too bad...I really cried in JDJ,.. BW love his father but was not reciprocated. he offered himself to be taken hostage to Ming,and JDJ told him that he won't come back alive from Ming, there's a smug.. Too bad, cause the emperor likes BW, the emperor hated JDJ. that's why after LBW became the king, The Ming accepted the Joseon and gave BW a seal, a gift from Ming that they accepted his status and Joseon...

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IN Jeong Do Jeon drama, This is JDJ but BW is still amazing here even though he ruthlessly kill JDJ's friend, Cheonbok.. Cause he's mistaken him a japanese pirate... but BW is amazing here. I really feel his disappointment from his father, I really cried for that. His stepmother is kind but somehow changed after LSG became the king..

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I get the rest of the history. I only missed that part because I wasn't interested in him and what happen to him after he killed Poeun.

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No, don't say that! They'd probably go with history but if Po Eun's going to die (which he will eventually), I'd rather have Bang Won kill him with his own hands. Just so it will be dark. HAHAHAHA. But I don't want Po Eun to die...

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I agree that it would be better if bang won did it..but i think they follow the history.. so sad.. i wanna see bang won killing someone..

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That's what I don't like about the history being written by the winners. They end up sugar-coating actual events as if the future generations (and fangirls) are not capable of understanding it.

We get it, no matter how loyal Poeun was to the his rotten country, he stood in the way of the revolution and he had to be eliminated. (I'll shed a tear for Poeun as always but we need to move on).

Yes, give us Bang-won in any form or color (prefer dark). This bad boy ruled with an iron fist and Joseon advanced during his reign so take that all you puppet kings of the world lol.

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Yes, history is written by the winners, but the next generation feels the impact of the decision made by the winners. If the result is positive, they will not deny the fact that the winners did a good job to build the nation to become like now. That's why, eventhough Bang Won and Do Jeon were of totally opposite direction, they both are equally called "heroes" by Koreans now.

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Jeong Do Jeon was the loser, the winners didn't acknowledge his achievements. People are more interested in him now based on recent studies of his life.

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although future generations can criticize the older "regimes" it does take time and if its good enough no one will ask for better and settle for ok

but we know today that JDJ plan with BY addition in the drama is what we know as the democracy system

how most governments works in todays society so although LBW is considered great his governing system did not work
but in actuality JDJ
as even in countries where they have kings they are not part of the governing system today

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@nara.. I don't deny the fact that JDJ is a genius.. His ideas really defines our government today.. He wants more democratic country... but what I hate about it is the power is up to the minister. So what's the point of establishing a royal family if all the decisions will be made by the ministers..It's okay if the prime minister ruled the country but why did he make LSg a king, and appoint the enxt king if they will be only the puppet of the prime minister? that would be dangerous move for the royal family cause they will live as a puppet for a hundred years.. we don't know who much joseon will live if the decision is up to the ministers.. we have seen what happen in the last years of goryeo.. the prime minister who make the decision, the king is a puppet can't do what he wants for the country cause the ministers ask him to stay out of it..the prime minister is corrupt, the other officals will follow his lead so this create confusion, unbalance and corruption. they don't a strong leader who cares for the people.. a strong but ruthless leader they will fear..

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i didnt think about it that he did try to establish LGS as king instead you are right there no actual point to it
but i dont think JDJ wanted the king to act as king more than in representing the country as royals are today
i think bc of the bordering countries he thought for appearance and international conflicts there should be a king

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Look at England. They have their monarchs and the government is run by the prime minister and ministers.

Is it working? I think so.

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@earthna - yeah, they did that with The Great Seer (if you haven't seen that drama with Ji Sung), that Bangwon actually did the deed, so to say. however, it was due to a subtle "instructions" by Sambong.

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I didn't watch the whole episodes of Great Seer. I only watched in a ep. where Muhak tried to warn the Queen not to kill YBW, and also the Queen and JDJ framed YBW for the crime he didn't commit..
What's the deed you're talking about and the instructions of sambong?

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Forgive me but I thought Great Seer was a hot mess. The worst drama of this era imo.

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Bangwon assigned Young gyoo to follow PoEun, and Moohyul is assisting with the nameless issue, so i guess theyre going to follow that.. but the thing is they might make it that while killing po eun he also died

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Loved that ideological confrontation scene. Only thing was that I was smiling and following along happily until BangWon suddenly said "or was it for your place and honour in history?" (or something like that) to which I went "HUH?!

Jung MongJoo is like the last person in Goryeo to think about himself. I thought BangWon would taunt him for holding fast to unrealistic ideals /selfish insistence of unrealistic ideas/ working for his ego but come to think of it, in those days, those ideas = a Confucian scholar's ego = a person's honour and place in history. And I was completely disgusted when PoEun said that at least by doing that he doesn't harm history... Like BangWon said, history is a simply a story from which future people will choose favourable aspects and interpret however they like. If PoEun chooses history, then he's just someone who wants hero-worship and self-glory - no different from Choi Yeong, and to a lesser extent, the DoDang Trio.

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I just started watching a few days ago, haven´t reached this episode yet. It is a solid, well-produced drama, but for some reason I feel emotionally distant to the characters. it is a good watch though.

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Best scene: Lee Bang Won vs Poeun intellectual convo/confrontation. I love et! So brilliant!

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My heart literally dropped when the little king was shown crying

What will happen to him?

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(Spoiler)

He was exiled and then later killed together with his father.

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I believe the young king, his father (the ex-king) and the last king (the prince we saw with the dancer) will all be killed - along with the "accidental" death of almost the entire (ex) royal family / Wang clan.

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yeah..it is so unfair... when goryeo was founded, King taejo of goryeo accepted the previous dynasty royal family... Why don't they just let them live them, it's not their fault anyway .. i feel bad for him. I am hoping that bang won saved the remaining wang clan from this tragic fate//..

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On the other hand his bloody house cleaning enable him to rule effectively.

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there was also king Taejo in Goryo
actually how do they decide their royal names?

why is it so different from their actual names
even king Sejong was in fact Yi Do

who decides the name?

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KIng Taejo means "The Progenitor" name for the founder of the dynasty.. KIng Taejong named his father King Taejo..

I think the name would describe the things he had done for the country, or the achievements..

For King Taejong "means second king" or similar to the tang dynasty " Great Ancestor" It's rare to give Taejong a name for the king.. There's no Taejong in goryeo.. Only two kings were given name Taejong.. King Taejong Muhyul of Silla and KIng Taejong of Joseon. King Taejong Muhyul was credited for the unification of three kingdoms in korea together with his friend KIm Yusin. While King Taejong of Joseon, one of the contributor in founding the Joseon dynasty, and also the one who created the foundation for the Joseon dynasty.. So in short, King Taejo and KIng Taejong have the same meaning.
That's what I understand.. I still looking for the other.. cause the names of the goryeo kings also have been given to some of the kings in joseon.. I think the one who will give the name is the king who followed him next.. For example, Gwanghaegun is one of the best kings in Joseon but not given a name for a king.. Just only a prince cause of the coup d'etat, and king Injo replaced him.. so he was not given a name even though his contributions to the country is great..

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thanx for explaining - so during his ruling period a king would be called by his real name?

as LBW would be referred to as LBW in his life but King Taejong after his death?

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Yes, their posthumous name are given after they passed away. That's why the meaning of their name usually fits them.

I'm "guessing" that the king that succeeded the throne usually do it? or the one after etc.

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Yi Bang Won was a given name before he became a prince.. When he became a prince, he was given another name as Prince Jeong'an.. I don't know the name when he become the king... But they always call him "Your Majesty" "King" in korean term.. Taejong, a name given to hi after his death.. For example, King Sejong's personal name is Yi Do.. so when he become adult he was given a name again Grand Prince Chungnyeong.. So they were widely know as their given name, not the personal name.. For Sejo, the son of Sejong,was known as Yi Yu.. then he became Grand Prince Suyang.. He was widely known and always call by his name Grand Prince Suyang.. He was in the Princess' Man..

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@nara for example the wife of King Taejong.. No one knows her personal name.. After her death she is known as Queen Wonkyeong.. There's a meaning to her name.. When Yi Bang won became a prince, as a wife of the prince she was given a name as Princess Jeongnyeong. Because the second king had no legitimate heir, and he named BW as his heir, so Queen Wonkyeong's name as a crowned princess as Jeong Bin.. and when she became a a queen consort her name change into Jeong Bi.. but mostly they call her "Her Majesty in korean name... i don't about YBW's given name when becomes a king...

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"Strangely enough, this information comes from Master Hong, who picked up some doctoring skills from Nooneasksville...." Well, he's a swordsman, so maybe he knows about sword wounds and slashes?

Anyway, one of the scenes where Bangji and Gil Sunmi leapt up into the air with the forest backdrop, I really ooh-ed out loud at the cinematography of that moment.

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I want to watch it but I don't really like Shin Sekyung.. ottokae.......

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Watch it. it's really good and Shin Se Kyung is better in sageuks

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I guess this is like the "which comes first - the chicken or the egg? question". Do people exist for the Country or does the Country exist for people? In my view Po Eun is wrong, he is putting the cart before the horse, if the Country no longer works for the people, the people have every right to demolish the old country and form a new one.

In my giew also, Po Eun is right. Should a Country be demolished just because it no longer works? Why not try to repair what no longer works and fix the Country's system instead? Destroying a Country because it no longer works is too radical.

Oh dear! I see and agree with both points of view and am as stymied as he is!

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That's what so interesting about all these characters when you see it from both sides. They are right but they are also wrong.

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actually its a left - liberals OR right - conservative question

you can see in todays politics that this is how they define their political stance

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This drama is starting to lose me. Too many characters. Some episodes are really great, but others are just a jumbled mess. When it's all said and done, while this drama is entertaining and well shot, I probably won't watch it again - I don't care enough about anyone to watch it again, and the plot is too choppy.

This is an important time in Goryeo/Joseon history, and I believe this story would have been better told with just one or two central characters (including Bang Won) with supporting characters serving as anchors to the story.

I also find Bang Won and Boon Yi's relationship unnecessary and could care less about it. The Nameless and land reformation plot need to be wrapped up. Hopefully that happens soon.

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I disagree. the fact that there are many characters who each show a different side of humanity and play some part in the whole matrix, none of them being pointless or just luggage, is the main strength here. Life never centers around just one or two people. it is hard to juggle that many characters, but so far, the show hasn´t dropped a ball yet. and I like the character Boon Ji, it would be very male-centered without her. She is an irreplacable balancing girl general.

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Thank you redfox. Couldn't have said it better myself. All the various characters are integral to the plot and none feel superfluous. The intricate way the writing weaves all characters to the plot (even the new ones) is to be admired. It's what makes this drama a first class show. And from the previews, it seems that even more characters are going to be added to the mix.

I can't wait.

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I know I'm in the minority here, no problem, but let me clarify by saying that I know that life does not center around one or two people. I meant from a storytelling standpoint there are too many shifting perspectives and the way it's done can be very confusing and choppy at times - the sheer volume of characters disengages me from connecting with the key players. I also don't have a problem with Boon Yi - what I dislike and find unnecessary is her relationship with Bang Won.

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The show is called Six Flying Dragons and the cover of the drama is six people. Of course the story/plot will revolve around more than just Bang Won. Basically I disagree with everything you said about this show. But that's fine, nothing against you. Just thought I'd point out it's kinda silly to expect the show to be only about 2 people when it's clear the show is called SIX Flying Dragons and all of the characters are important to the story and plot, so to say you just want them to essentially be in the background and as support for Bang Won is ridiculous.

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I know why they are doing it the way that they are - but I don't agree with the approach. I think focusing on six main characters is too many. So with the suggestion I made, the show would then not be called SIX Flying Dragons - I meant more from a perspective more like Empress Ki, Jumong, Kingdom of the Winds, etc. That's the POV approach I would prefer, but it's perfectly fine if you don't.

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well, then make a show called "one lonely dragon who gets at odds with his only friend."

believe it, the show will not benefit from your idea

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I think you might enjoy the more authentic sageuks of this era that is based purely on history and the focus is on one or 2 historical figures at a time. The problem is the lack of English subs.
-Tears of the Dragon (few clips in Eng from Korea's history channel)
-Jeong Do Jeon (1st eps is subbed)

I do get your point. Yes there are too many characters and they all share Sambong's idea of creating a new nation. On top of that we get a lot of new characters being introduced randomly and a couple in the last 2 eps. I counted about 5 or 6 in this eps and the next.

I don't have a problem with it mainly because most of them are familiar from history and TWDR. The unfamiliar ones are usually fictional and related to this Nameless organization.
I do understand that it can be confusing to some.

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I have the same sentument with you quite a bit. This drama should focus on finding Joseon, but episode 28 was about finding Bangji-Boonyi's mom. I don't know what makes it essential, but it became draggy, and lost its main plot.

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I haven't read much of the Korean history but I got a little curious because of SFD. I'm no fan of sageuk also and this is actually my first time watching it as closely as I can so I definitely have no idea which one is fiction or not. So far, I have one question.

Is the organization Nameless a part of the history of Korea? or the drama just made it up??

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It's all made up.

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Thank you for answering Kiara!

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I always wait and read your comments to see which part is going with history and which is made up, you seem very knowledgable of korean history

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You guys are too kind. I'm just a fan of history and not a history buff. There are plenty of those around watching/reading quietly.

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Thank you for your objective response to my comment. I don't see an option to reply above, so I'm doing it here. I've been wanting to watch Jeong Do Jeon, but as you stated only the 1st episode is subbed. Bummer.

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Dayum the reply box.

PS: can DB make the 5 stars box appear only once per IP address? Everytime I came back, the box always popped up.

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Really? It only appears to me once.

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It happened to me too. When I opened this post/article through my tab/smartphone, the stars box appeared. And when I opened again sometimes later, it reappeared XD
I couldn't rate twice though.

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to me it happens when i open from a different IP
i think it recognize your IP - but maybe not

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Just wanna say that all the political/strategist convos are always brilliant. However, some side stories are just draggy. Please, keep the pace up, show.

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There is something I don't understand. In the beginning of the show, JDJ is very angry with YBW for his action to fake the seal (the border plan something). JDJ's reason is because he has seen fake seal can cause many people (generals, children in the cave) to die. But then in this episode, we found out that it is not fake, but real order from the King. Then, why he is so mad about fake seal in the first place?
seems not necessary

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it was the seal of Band Wons father and he lied that his father had agreed to something he hadn´t. He created a situation, where some people assumed they were on the same page and moved things on without the other side even having taken the first step. that was the problem. it is like arranging a marriage for a child with them finding out once they move in with the spouse.

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I'm not sure why the writers are changing it. All of the sudden King Gongmin is the bad guy and this Kim Yong who tried to assassinate him was innocent? That doesn't make any freaking sense.
I do agree with you, it was pointless to get mad over it if it was fake. He has to know it was fake before he met Bang-won based on the flashback.

The writing is ongoing together with live shooting so they can do changes to the script anytime.

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i read on another site that some historians think tat the order was in fact from the king and are going this "road"

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I've never read/heard it before so I don't know. King Gongmin was the last real king of Goryeo. He made enemies for trying to reform the government and ease the people's burden.

I can see them twisting the history to make sense out of this Nameless organization.

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King Gongmin is a great king before his Queen died.After Queen Noguk's death,he become indiffernt to politics.. he become unstable. He refuses to touch his queens but instead he order his noble guards to rape his queens. The only queen that reject this is the future queen dowager in ep. 21 or 22.. that queen threatened to kill herself so King Gonmin cancelled the order to rape her.. One of the queens of King Gongmin is pregnant and the father is Hong Ryun. So King Gongmin tried to kill Hong Ryun and claim the child his own.. ..but Hong Ryun heard this first and togther with the noble guards assassinate the king..so this lead to ep. 2 where Hong Ryun was killed and dodang trio was able to control the politics after that..they could make the story out of it like someone is involve in Queen Noguk's death...

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hong ryun's child is a princess.. after king gongmin's death, King U became the king, and the dodang trio ordered to killed the child of Ho Ryun and the other queen..

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King Gongmin is a great king, and a reformist. It's just a waste cause he reveal his witness. he had so many enemies.They were all Pro Yuan Bureaucrats. So his enemies targeted his weakness. Queen Noguk.. we don't know what happen .. maybe it's a plot to stop King Gongmin so they targeted Queen Noguk. .. It's really a mess after his queen died. He focused on building temples for Queen Noguk.. Wasted money, there's a corruption among the officials and pliticians use this chance to gain control in the court..many people suffered inclding the four hero generals ..

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thanx kiara shirayukihime
so queen noguk was murdered?
i try to remember where ive read this maybe ive misunderstood

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Noguk died of complication from childbirth (according to the history). King Gongmin didn't have any offspring. That's why King U and his son Chang's legitimacy as a king was always questioned and eventually replaced by Gongyang from the original Wang linage.

Gongmin's only love was queen Noguk. He refused to take a concubine even when she tried convincing him to in order to produce an heir.
He went crazy after he died which was unfortunate for Goryeo because he lost interest in running the country and turned over government affairs to Shin Don.

The one that took advantage of this situation was none other than Yi In-Im (In Gyeom). He is mastermind behind prime minister Shin Don and King Gongmin's assassination.
(SFD started here and will probably end with Bang-won on the throne).

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*she died*

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