Ki-jung is so weird honestly. I understand she's feeling nervous to confess, but her plan? She's not a teenager anymore. What was she thinking? (even the whole scene was so funny with the cute Du-Hwan revealing they know her by following her) She loves a guy who is in the Liberation Club... She should know that he's someone who needs time... But Lee El is good that I really felt her pain. I didn't like how she inserted herself in Mi-Jeong's relationship because it looks easy. She knows nothing about it.

Mi-Jeong is so strong with Mr Gu that it was really frustrating to watch her handle the debt, seeing her crying, paying... She's really animate with Mr Gu only.

For Mr Gu, I really hope he won't die because of his past. It's nice to see him taking care of Mi-Jeong and smile. I need him to live until his 90 years!

Chang-Hee is such a good friend with Du-Hwan, I love how he's always here for him and eats with him. I was disapointed he didn't get the new job, I really hope he will get the promotion and the truck of doom will hit A-Reum.

It was interesting to watch the four actors reacting to the episodes 3 to 6. They knew nothing about the scenes of the others and discovered the whole story.

Have you noticed that in the background of some scenes (bars and restaurants) the whole OST of Nevertheless is being played?
Someone must have been a fan. Can't blame him/her... it was very good and surely the best part of that drama.

This drama is flying by for me, too. I'm already wishing this was a show with either more episodes or another season. I'd love to see more sibling antics! Yes, the Ki-jung/Chang-hee/Du-hwan plan was terrible and doomed to fail, but I'm so glad they carried through with it. I cannot remember the last time I laughed so hard!!! Like holding my sides, falling off my couch laughing! 😂 It was priceless. I'd love to see the behind the scenes film. I don't know how the actors contained their laughter.
And while I'm on the subject of the older two, every time I see them together or with their friends, I feel like I'm watching people still in high school. From when Ki-jung and Chang-hee get off the yellow (school looking) bus together, to Du-hwan hanging out in Chang-hee’s room. Maybe that's why mom always has that disgusted look on her face; she wonders if they'll ever grow up. But I can't figure out if the parents want them to fly the nest or live at home to contribute.
Apropos of nothing, Ki-jung’s two-tone pumps remind me of shoes my mom wore in the 70’s. I'm wondering if there is a reason why the camera focuses on her shoes. Her entire style of dress is retro; maybe it's conveying a message that she’s a little backward?
Still loving My-jung and Gu. How perceptive of Chang-hee, “When you know something is yours, you feel at peace.”
I want to see Chang-hee’s awful co-worker get her comeuppance.

We're already halfway through the drama? Whaaat? I love watching this drama every weekend. It's like a nice, relaxing cup of warm tea.

Ki-Jung: She's my favorite sibling of this week. I was laughing aloud at her entire confession scene. Her awkwardness and turmoil? I felt that. I remember one of my own romantic confessions where I felt like I was throwing up my words and wanted to fade away on the spot, but now years later when I look back on the moment, I have a good laugh.

I think it's sweet her brother and their friend both showed up to help her out, even thought they didn't want to, and even though it ended up with her breaking her wrist. Confessions require bravery no matter how old the person is, and I give Ki-jung kudos for going for it.

Mi-jeong: I wanted to shake Mi-jeong and tell her to grow a spine when she was sobbing over being guilt-tripped by her ex and his new gf. All 3 siblings have their confidence and self-esteem in the gutter, thanks to the sh*tty parenting they received.

I'm looking forwards to her gaining more confidence as the episodes go by. Mi-jeong has enough smarts (she has a good eye for color and design, as shown with the credit card project), but she lacks belief and confidence in herself. It doesn't help that she has an arrogant and incompetent manager who craps all over her work.

Arghhhhh Ki-jeong ! I wanted to dig a hole and hide from all the second hand embarrassment! I really can't root for her and Tae-hoon at the moment because she still doesn't seem to have fully reflected on her previous comments about single dads and it really looks like she's forgetting Tae-hoon has a daughter. She really needs to get a grasp on her emotions

Mi-jeong was equally frustrating with the way she handled the debt thing. I was almost screaming at my screen when she broke down over the phone while talking to that jerk. Ugh ! I don't even believe that he's unable to pay her and is suicidal as his girlfriend way saying. It could all be staged.
I'm pissed thinking of how entitled he was when he has put her in so much trouble.

That little smile Mr Gu has when he's talking with Mi-jeong has to be the cutest (Son Seok-gu's négligé appearance shouldn't look this hot). I have the widest of smiles when I watch those 2 casually confessing their feelings 🤭. Gu's past acquaintances already look like bad news 🥴. Was he a hit man?

I love how pretty self-aware Chang-hee is about things that go on around him but what I don't know is how he's resisting the urge to throw A Reum out of the window tbh. It was sad he didn't get the promotion. I hope he gets some good news soon

Two things stuck out for me this week.

First, that despite Gu saying before that he thought it was cool that Mi-jung told him she wouldn't ask him about his past, he clearly wants her to know him. He openly divulged a lot of non-specific but still revealing things to her this week. It also strikes me that these two haven't even held hands, but they have more chemistry just sitting together than any other drama couple I've seen in a long time.

And Ki-jung--she kills me! Her behavior is so cringey, and yet so endearing. She reminds me a little of myself as a teenager or friends in their 20s who would get infatuated with a guy and the feelings would be so all consuming I/they could only think about how I could demonstrate my devotion through the perfect words or actions. But of course, Ki-jung is 40, not 17, so I can see how most men would just find her to be too much. Girl doesn't know how to play it cool, lol.

And I agree that she's not really thinking at all about what Tae-hoon needs or wants, which isn't for her to beat up some adults who tormented him when he was a child. To that end, although she is a person who deserves to be loved, the intensity of her emotions and her desire to be in a relationship right this second makes her selfish. I feel bad for her, but it's hard to root for this relationship right now.

One thing I'd like the show to do a bit more of is explore the parents. I know it's not fair to blame/celebrate parents for the personalities, problems, and accomplishments of their children, but all three of the siblings are emotionally stunted. Why is that exactly?

Even though it's frustrating to watch MJ being a pushover but it must be even more frustrating for MJ to be so painfully aware of her own weaknesses and unable to be any different. The only time MJ doesn't hold back is when she's with Mr Gu.

Mr Gu was able to escape whatever was bothering him only by drowning himself in alcohol before he became acquainted with MJ. He drinks to quiet his mind and conversations with MJ has the same effect. In that sense I don't find Mr Gu's soberiety hard to believe because he's found something else that can calm his thoughts.

I like that the portrayal of relationship between the siblings is very true to life. Siblings can be annoying and frustrating as hell and most of the times you don't like them but when something happen or they get hurt you can't help but care. I can't say I agree with KJ's choices but I really do feel bad for her failed confession because even though to me her antics are ridiculous but she's completely genuine in her actions and feelings. I felt so sorry for her, she really thought TH might have anticipated it. With another actress KJ might not be as sympathetic but Lee El plays her with such earnest, you can't help but feel for her.

The extended scenes with Chang-hee in the previous episodes and in these two showed some of his best aspects as well as his shortcomings. He manages - sometimes with effort - to to do his work with persistence and patience, interact warmly with others, banter with his friends and sisters, and hold in his temper when he’s in Seoul. We keep calling him immature, but his “city” self shows plenty of maturity and self-awareness. (Until he joins the amnesia-inflicting-motorbike plot - that was definitely Sanpo CH making a special trip to Seoul.) Then he gets home and his self-control melts in the heat. The conversations with his father start out with him clearly trying to exert patience and persuasiveness just as he does at work, but he spins out of orbit right away in the face of his father’s hostile inertia. There’s some father-son history and dynamic that immediately wrecks any attempt at communication, and I can’t wait to find out more about it.

It’s too simplistic to say Chang-hee is a different person in the country than he is in the city - more that he's been too tired and frustrated to maintain the effort at home when he gets sucked back into the oppressive family culture. But it's been fun to see his essential good nature and outgoing personality shine through even with his family and friends at home.

The way I laughed at Ki Jung being pushed. This show is actually HILARIOUS. I will say I love the moment of sisterly bonding when Mi Jung was crying for Ki Jung, that was really sweet. I continue to love love Gu and Mi Jung together. Their entire relationship is absurd, but by God it works. I love that he let her get mad at him and was then like, eat this ramyun I just made for you. Also Change He coming to the realization about why he didn't need a car was so funny. I just love this drama so much, the joy it brings is unmatched by any drama I am watching right now.

I really like watching Mi Jeong with her colleagues. They seem like nice people. I wouldn't survive in their group I would be even more distant than Mi Jeong but I still would feel grateful for having them as coworkers. On the contrary, Chang Hee's colleague is driving me crazy. I feel bad for our guy.

Uri Mi Jeong-i is strong as hell, she just doesn't know it. Everyone's scare of her and she doesn't notice it. I know dude Gu will help her with that.

Ki Jeong... She made me sad and joyful at the same time. It was the weirdest sensation ever. Our girl never stops surprising me. I just want her to be happy.

Chang Hee and Du Hwan have such a lovely friendship.
I like all the friendships. They really seem to care for each other. Hyeon Ah and Ki Jeong's conversation was really sweet.

The club scene with the supervisor made me so mad. Not even kids are treated like that. For real.

PS. This club has the best rules ever.

My Liberation Notes has some very good pickup lines. I swoon each time it drops.

Are we supposed to feel pity for Ki-jung because all it evoked for me was a very good dosage of laughter, at least 5 minutes full. After this, I'm not shipping her with Tae-hoon again. He was innocent about obvious crushing and attention and he's not at fault for not being in sync at the moment. But after Ki-jung's heartfelt plea - thanking those who liked her in the time past - this wasn't the level of result I was expecting. I'm sad for Ki-jung, but amusement of the rejection after her redemption plea and the planned afterfall is just too much to overlook. Her work boss has to be a better candidate that'll make Tae-hoon try harder peradventure he thinks about pursuing Ki-jung's confession. I'm on his ship already, wherever it takes him.

It's a really good thing someone in Joy knows how good Ki-jung's work is. That something isn't your taste isn't implying it isn't good. He made the woman doubt herself. If only she had that higher-up as her boss.
About Gu and Mi-jung, I'm likewise enjoying this slowburn romance. They're both smitten with their worship. I can't stop waxing poetic in my head about this two.

Whatever is going to happen with Gu, I worry about the relationship he's built here. Just when it seems he's putting his root down here, the outside world gets wind of where he is. Not worried about his safety, he shown he can take solid care of himself, but the emotional uprooting.

Chang-hee is one of the worst siblings ever. He's always ready to tear Ki-jung apart strand by strand at every given opportunity. I'm waiting for when he pulls that with Mi-jung.

And to the Liberation Club, looks like the club coordinator might be another addition to the group.

I said this last week, but what puzzles me reading the comments is why I seem to be the only one who isn't emotionally comforted by this show. In fact, truth be told, at times I find it really painful to watch--in a good way, of course, because it is very well done in every respect, so I share everyone's high opinion of the show.

Mi-Jeongs and Gu's relationship is great, but it obviously is being set up for maybe even a violent conclusion, so I regard each development with a certain amount of dread. And I have cringed but never roared with laughter at anything that has happened--Chang-Hee's failed jump, which would have, in reality have resulted in a great deal of pain, if not injury, was not funny at all to me, but rather poignant. The same goes for the pain of Ki-jung's fall, because of the truly childish nature of the plan.

(In fact, to be honest, I felt that Chang-Hee's jump was totally in character, but the absurdity of Ki-Jung's fall even given her childish, somewhat self-absorbed behavior throughout the series was the first real misstep by the writer. If Ki-jung had just talked about pretending amnesia as desirable, then I would have thought this was again a great image. I have found life a series of embarrassments as well. But no adult, no matter how needy or fearful of painful embarrassment, chooses to be shoved over on a bike with no anticipation that at the very least you open up a bloody scrape. A broken arm just is not hilarious to me.

Of course, I've never found the typical kdrama slapstick humor-- grabbing and twisting of the ear, kicks to the shin, cuffs to the head etc. hilarious, so that's just my different sense of humor from most kdrama fans. I understand that.

But I sincerely believe I must be completely misinterpreting everything in this show, because I don't find it a warm comforting blanket, but instead disquieting in almost every way--although as I said in a very valuable, thought-provoking fashion.

Of course, everyone's experience is different, I know that well, so I'll not write anymore about my response on this show because I think I'm just too out of step with everyone else. Maybe I'll form my own club of one for this show.

That rainbow was a terrific image to end this week. Sure, it's a symbol of hope, promise, and new beginnings - but it also evokes the thematic storm clouds gathering, especially around Gu. A hard rain's a-gonna fall in this drama pretty soon.

I think the peak of these 2 eps is Ki-jeong's love confession. God it is the saddest but awful hilarious 😂. From Lee Ki-woo's clueless, loss-for-word expression, Chang-hee's grumble but still showing up against his rational, pure for sibling affection, and the final of Do-hwan calling Ki-jeong "noona" that brings everything to zero. 🤣 Sorry Ki-jeong but I still laugh just think about it.
How clever the director bulids up the mood from ep 7 then extended into ep 8. From Ki-jeong's crying in the night for her former admirers' love confession and thinking it is her fault that she is still in her single status right now (for every single woman, it will come a time, when no body will ask about her type in the assumption she is just too picky that the reason she is single and should accept every man comes her way) to changing the background musics and Ki-jeong's changing expression without uttering dialogs. That's just pure genius.

And how I love the growth of Chang-hee character like he says all the poignant, profound things but still acting nonchalant and nonthewiser. Then the moment of his self revelation and put everyone else to their sense. I know he is annoying but I love him.

I don't this drama has the best well thought dialogs, well written characters, every scenes has purpose and well directed. As K drama fan this is just giving me satisfaction. This is how a drama should be made.

Despite the slow pace, this drama continues to capture me. I'm hanging onto every word. Especially the few phrases from Gu and Mi Jung. Thankfully, it hasn't been all depressing like I initially assumed. In fact, there's been funny quips, humorous lines, and silly scenarios.

Ki Jung, gosh... I felt bad for her. Cringed a little at the awkwardness between her and Tae Hoon after she confessed. The fainting attempt by scooter hit was wacky. It made me laugh though when Du Hwan gave it away with his "Noona!" shout as she was running away like they were strangers. I didn't want to see her get rejected, but I'm glad she let him know at least. Props to her.

I wonder if the drama is going to come around and show that he actually does have feelings for her, but was conflicted because of his daughter. However, my fickle heart has already moved on and I'm eyeing the ship of Ki Jung and her boss. Dang, I don't often think of boss & employee romances, but these two are cute together. They have a nice, easygoing relationship with good communication. Ki Jung acts like her genuine self around him. It seems like he is as well. I can imagine them gradually falling for each other. Or he's been falling for her all along.

Slightly worried about Gu's mysterious past catching up and causing a ruckus. I think he left a gang on his own. I don't know what I want to see happen next with Gu and Mi Jung's relationship... I'm not thinking super sugary happy ever after. I like their current banter and meaningful conversations. The slow burn is good right now.

OMG, that scene after the motorcycle accident where Ki-jung is running away and Du-hwan yells “noona!” 😆😆😆 Tae-hoon just looks at Chang-hee and I could not stop laughing.

About Gu and Mi-jung: she says that just thinking about him helps her get through the work she doesn’t want to do. Then he actually shows up at the cafe. How did she get ANY work done after that?? That’s not helpful, he is far too distracting!

Jokes aside, I love these two. I also love Chang-hee and Hyun-ah. Unfortunately, I had the same feelings as quirkycase about Ki-jung and I can’t really root for her yet. Looking forward to whatever mess and growth is on the way in the second half.

Ki-jung is the obsessive type when it comes to love that I want to warn Tae-hoon to run. She barely knows him and is already uncontrollably crying over him in front of her friend and the bus driver. Like she said in her confession, he should have expected it from her texts and the Nirvana album, but he never gave the impression that he liked her back. He always talked to her respectfully as a sister's friend or colleague's sister or bar patron. Chang-hee is a good brother to still go even after leaving the chatroom twice. After Mi-jung teared up since she's an empath, I thought Du-hwan was crying when he lied down, but he was dissolving into laughter.

I don't feel sorry for Mi-jung because I would never lend money, and sure as hell not the bank's money. She's so demanding to Gu who is a saint. Since the beginning, I found worship to be a bit slavery, and I hate how it's framed as her being selfless to save him. How nice is it to have a thug as a boyfriend who can take care of her ex? When Su-jin told Mi-jung to tell her boyfriend about her boss, I thought Gu would beat him up too. I swooned at the fact that he knew she worked in the café.

The rainbow was bittersweet when Chang-hee received the rejection message, but no one knew. And Du-hwan, there is a day for people to confess their love -- it's called Valentine's Day.

It's been days since I watched these episodes and Ki-jung's juvenile antics still have me laughing. And then that her brother and friend, Du-hwan, went along with the plan and actually showed up. Heh!

Mr. Gu, you're making me anxious.

Hello all :)

My take on this relationship:
1. I think, Gu doesn't seem to be alcohol addicts, if you know what I mean, even if he drinks and drinks a lot. Real alcoholics drink until they can't even drink more, cause problems, etc. Real alcoholics are more or less losers. I can attest to it, because men (my friend for example) sometimes can go into drinking for days, without actually being true alcoholics. It may be because of a stress, work-related problems or personal problems. Real alcoholics are those, who are lying on streets drunk, but probably not those, who work all day on factory and then work on fields by weekends. Of course, definitions may vary. Either way, I don't think that Gu being an alcoholic is a kinda important factor here for story development. We just see a man drinking and that's all. Could be fishing all night or smoking all night, important thing is he is doing something to kill time. And to think about something.

Gu, I think, drinks only to waste time and maybe just to create an image of himself, understandable to locals: a drunkard, weak, silent and mostly invisible person, etc. Actually he is not silent, not invisible and not weak. We see flashes of real him when he jumps as a well trained athlete, he gets owed money repaid back for family *probably one of his usual business practices (together with Ssaebi), he is missed by his gang (or family) in a sort of power struggle, which means he is quite powerful in its own way. He is not afraid of knive attacks. He is not a real drunkard, so he is not addicted really. Yes, he drunk a lot. It may be he has some health problems, though that not really implied.

Gu’s relation to Mi.
He does, however, feel real attraction to Mi. It was probably even before the "worship" offer, that he felt that kind of attraction. It is, of course, purely physical, from beginning, since Mi is so stunning. If you spent a summer in house, where such stunning girl lives, there is no way for a healthy (or athletic), attractive man on its own like Gu, not to notice the dreamy and unhappy stunning beauty, Mi. If such girl passes near your house every day, anyone would be intrigued; if you eat with her and she even comes to your house to bring or take dishes, that attraction is even stronger. I think that's what Gu said when he mentioned she scares him. It is not platonic at all like in MM.

So I think he was ready for the worship of Mi, whatever that meant, even before the actual offer. Here the setup is quite different from MM so the dynamics of relationship differ as well. Mi's offer, however, liberated him from the passive or covert attention to Mi, and allowed him to get close to her with both Mi's and her father's approval.

I wonder if he sees Mi like a mirror image of himself. Gu, a capable and strong person, is hiding in a countryside doing all kinds of mundane work and drink just to kill time, while Mi, a capable and strong person on her own, is doing all kinds of...

Loving the black humor, the banter and the quite moments of the siblings and Gu.

But I'm confused about one thing. Was Gu really at the café where Ki-jung was working? In voice-over she was talking about imagining the person she loves was sitting next her and feeling supported bij his present. But was Gu really there?

I know that Mi-jung's way of dealing with her problems is not the healthiest way out there. Putting the responsibility to find her self-love ability almost entirely in Gu's hands is a recipe for disaster, especially considering that Gu isn't the most problem-free person out there either. But even when she does something I disagree with, Mi-jung has a way that makes the sincerity behind her action and words, however unreasonable it seems, come through. (Though, I think, it most probably because we resemble each other a lot.)

Watching this, I realized that her desperation for love doesn't come because she never felt loved before. It's more about her fears that her mistakes and growing pain moments are going to make those people who love her turn their back on her (which I guess is not unreasonable given her messy past romance story and the "clumsy" way her parents show their love towards their children).

And so, when she decided to fight Gu about his lacking response, it's not about finding out whether there's someone who loves her fully without any reservation. It's about her finally shoring up enough courage to find out the aftermath of conquering that fear. It's about her learning that it is okay to be vulnerable with people she loves and who love her back. That it is okay to appear less than perfect in front of them. And I couldn't help but love her for that.

Mi-jung is so self-sufficient and never utter any complaint around her family and friends. It probably didn't occur to those people that someone like Mi-jung need to learn to unload herself and ask for help. I'm just unbearably glad that when she does ask for that help to Gu, however unconventional and sudden it was, he has the right answer to that. It might not be what people deemed to be within "normalcy range", but it was the perfect response for Mi-jung and that's all that matters.

I think this scene is probably why I super adore the way Gu showing his vulnerable self back towards Mi-jung in eps 8. I love the way he can't quite look Mijung in the eye when she is being all straightforward and transparent about her feelings for him. It's unbearably adorable on our usually tough, mysterious guy.

As for the other sibling, I continued to feel deep connection with Chang-hee at the most unexpected moment. Seriously, he always makes the most sense when he is being absolutely absurd. That rationalization about how you feel at peace when you met "the one" in your life is actually pretty interesting. Once upon a time, it's probably true that people tried to find excitement or "heart pounding moment" in their relationship, as a counterpoint to a mostly calm and slow-paced life. But these days? When everything is so hectic and heightened-emotion inducing, a relationship that inspired peace and comfort and calmness seemed like the answer to the challenge of modern life. I just wonder though, how long would it be before Chang-hee realized that he displayed a...

Fun fact: The final scene of Gu and Mi-jung is in the same place as in Mi-jung's childhood photo that Gu saw while eating lunch with Mi-jung's mom.