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Open Thread #790

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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I cannot wait for this k-drama PPL:
http://www.engadget.com/dyson-zone-noise-canceling-headphones-pricing-availability-announced-000119196.html

OT #2:
The previews of ALCHEMY OF SOULS 2 have lowered my expectations. It seems that the direction is softening Go Yoon-jung to the point of making her look more like Jung So-min’s Mudeok than episode 1 Naksu. The three year-time skip is even more problematic since season 1 ended in chaos needing immediate action and answers. My early concern that this fantasy world would turn into a franchise factory churning out sequels or spin-offs like Potter or Star Wars is still not lost on me since ten episodes may be able to finish Uk’s story but not very many other characters.

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I enjoyed ALCHEMY but at this point I am ambivalent about going on to AOS 2. I watched all 20 episodes and I think that is enough. This Netflix formula of dragging dramas out is not appealing to me. 18 episodes of ARTHDAL was definitely enough so there will be no ARTHDAL 2 for me.

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@welh: I share your overall concern but I still like Mudeok so much. She was mentally strong (until she wasn’t), funny, loyal despite her own best efforts to break free, no-nonsense and while fighting graciously was not her forte, she was soulful when she wanted to be. I miss Jung Somin and never minded that there was hardly any chemistry between the main leads. Wook and Naksu have chemistry for sure but for me the main connection is missing. Maybe, they will forge their own as the eps tick over or maybe not. We shall endure and chew the fat over our delights and disappointments.

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Time to run windows 11 - could have done so way earlier with those 2 new laptops - but yeah with not much to do ahead can be pretty easy to deal with all things left to pursue - magazines to dramas to movies to documentaries to lot more stuff - too little time.

Fantastic 2022 overall -

health - about ok - +ve
finances - big red - -ve - no need to cry - just enjoy it with a smile

Saw tv this week and - Serendipity - i not rewatch things but serdenpity is that one movie that i've watched over 2 dozen times and things is always watched it from mid or last 15 minutes.

Yeah a foolish feel good romantic comedy but john cusack is here so everything is fine.
I can see this movie anywhere but then what's the fun in it
i can check schedule of broadcasters and watch it right at time but what's the fun in it - If this story depends so much on destiny then let it be destiny that i watch it from the 1st scene itself on tv.

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2022 - pretty good fun - lacked energy but still enough to grab popcorn, sit on couch and enjoy the show, irrespective of outcome. high and lows, ups and down - give and take.

2023 - can't expect much - except cricket world cup hype turned into political campaign.
2024 - can have lot more action - exact moment to enjoy the popcorn.

2023 - change can be - can try - things went out of turn pretty fast but surely it was fun - you need to be pushed into corner to have that feeling - Either you persist or you are done for.

I'm gonna stand up and also fight in 2023 - enough of leisure time - need to step up and turn all -ve into +ve.

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I'm kinda digging how Jtbc releases Reborn rich 3 eps per week. This pattern is way better than some station that thinking to release 1 ep per week is good idea. I guess it is like starting a business without learning the market 😄. Or starting thing for pure business without a heart to begin with. LOL
Reborn Rich feels like the legendary Giant with its 50 somethings episodes.

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I have appreciated being a part of a discussion group led by @reply1988 But I have to admit, it’s a little intimidating because everyone else in it is so smart and cosmopolitan, and I’m a very provincial Californian. So I’ve had to try to dumb down the conversation to my level a bit, which I did successfully last week by taking a very principled, and I thought well-reasoned stance on the importance of a passionate kiss as the culmination of a kdrama romance. But that led me to think about what to call such a kiss. I looked up to see if Korean had such a word, and I couldn’t find it. And English slang is fine with non-passionate kisses, but totally fails when it comes to the kiss that combines the intensity of new love and (perhaps more than a smidgeon) of physical desire.

The “peck” is clear, for morning greetings, thank yous, hellos. The “smooch” is a bit more, for I missed you, its good to have you in the house, I appreciate you. But looking up “what is a passionate kiss called” brings this Wikipedia entry: “a French kiss, also known as cataglottism…may be a mode for disease transmission, particularly if there are open wounds in the mouth.” But you won’t find me saying “Why didn’t the two leads engage in consensual, contagious, cataglottism.” It will put my comment over the Drama Beans word limit!

I know the (generally female) fan terms describing kisses as “swoon-worthy," and “squee-worthy” The problem I is that I don’t think I’ve ever swooned in my life. Well, maybe if Kim Hee-Seon suddenly appeared at my door, I’d hit the floor unconscious. But I think I’d probably just panic and start saying the only Korean word I know, gamsahabnida repeatedly while she addressed me in perfect English. As far as “squee” I love that onomatopoeic word, that if said by an enthusiastic young woman makes everyone immediately understand the nature of the kiss. If I say “squee” though, it sounds like a piglet crying for its sow--not exactly the image I want for a deeply romantic moment.

Does any one know of a word in any language, for a passionate kiss, that I could use for kdrama purposes? In the U.S. we are taught in elementary school that the Inuit of Alaska have 50 words for snow, which I think is probably a myth. But isn’t there some very romantic culture that has 50 words for kisses?

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Thesaurus:
amorous, ardent, hot-blooded, aroused, loving, sexy, sensual, erotic, lustful; steamy, hot, red-hot.

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Soulful kiss

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I think this is really one for an adjective to go with kiss rather than a different word for kiss - all the synonyms for kiss I can think of are very slang-y (eg snog, pash) and seem overly casual/crude to capture any romance.

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Yes, you're probably right. There are plenty of good adjectives. Still it would be nice to have a single word that would capture that kind of kiss. I've actually tried think of a neologism that would apply but I'm not creative enough.

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In French, it goes Bise, Bisou, Baiser (the noun not the verb).

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What's funny is that I looked this up and mistyped bise as biser and the etymology was "unripe dates" whereas what the kiss I'm thinking of happens when the couples dates have properly matured!

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😂

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You'll find that linguistically, "soul kiss" is used as a synonym for "french kiss" and carries the tone of deep-seated passionate connection that I think you are looking for.

There are indeed many ways to say "kiss" in most western languages - especially if you include the slang terms and the long-winded academic ones. There is an issue in Korea (and also in Japan) where kissing - while certainly not absent in history there - is only recently acceptable in public, and among the younger generations primarily. Both Korean and Japanese use similar borrowed English words for "real" (couple) kisses - 키스 (kisseu) and キス (kisu), both roughly pronounced as "keess-ooh" with emphasis on the first syllable. In Korean, you also have 입맞춤 (immachum)... but that is atypical and not used in conversation to discuss kissing.

Interesting note - French didn't have any official word for French kissing until 2014. It's "galocher"... A la fin de l'épisode 12, ils ont enfin galoché. (At the end of episode 12, they finally kissed.) However, even in France they would not usually say this - they'd more often say se sont enfin embrassés, which means "they finally embraced/took each other into their arms."

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Thanks for the linguistics lesson, really interesting about the French and their lack of French kissing! That's one of the reasons I love this site, so many smart people on here.
I actually surmised myself that the reason Koreans might use a borrowed English word is because of a reticence for even publicly naming acts of physical intimacy.
I certainly thought of soulful kiss, and even wondered if it would be too grandiose to say "soul-shaking" kiss for the ones that were particularly moving. (probably, given the shallowness of most kdrama romances!)

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If the ground seems to be shaking a little, it's probably just my college professors collectively rolling over in their graves, as I am certain "k-drama message board" was never the purpose for which they intended me to use my degree. ;)

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Well, when you think about it, its as good a use as any!

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I think probably what they would object to is posting on the "open thread" rather than replying on a response thread to a particular show episode.

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In that case, we'd need to discuss the phrase 내 엉덩이에 키스하다... which tells you precisely where to put that "kisseu"

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Hey, Hey, let's avoid any coarse language, please!

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"Embrasser" means "to kiss" or "to embrace".

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Yes... but its base is "bras" having to do with the arms, so its tone is more of in each other's arms, kissing or otherwise. I would argue that "embrace" is the more precise meaning. It's still more common in conversation than "galocher"

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@Kurama: I have always loved this French verb. One of the first few I learnt when I was studying French.

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I can confirm that no one in France is using the verb "galocher" (maybe my grandma).
There is the expression se rouler une pelle that describe a kiss with ample tongue involvement.
But I'm consuming too much English written or Korean speaken media to think of another french expression at the moment... I'll need to ask my colleagues tomorrow.

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It sounds like its getting a little too technical. I must confess I wasn't yet calculating the precise amount of tongue involvement necessary, although I do think it should involve more than just the urgent pressing of lips together for an extended period of time.

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@hmtwx: In Korean, there is also 뽀뽀 (bbobbo) which is more a peck on the cheek but is also used for non deep lippy kisses!

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Yes, but that is for the kind of kiss you give your kid, your mom, or your dog...

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Not always. In many KDs, it is used in a romantic context.

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Well, thinking of a dog (returning your) kiss does bring in the question about the amount of tongue involved!

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@hacja: Huh! I love dogs but I wouldn’t kiss non-homo sapiens and some homo sapiens for that matter!:)

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Ach, Dear @hacja. You have once again identified a region of the heart that we Beanies must investigate. I will go investigate the Italian version of the kiss while ignoring the other "I" in my life (Irish). Report back soon.

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@jossie4cheryl While I eagerly await the results of your investigation, please don't ignore the other I in your life! (And I'm not speaking about your Irish heritage here!)
That would be exactly the opposite of my intent!

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I checked my copy of The Thinkers Thesaurus: Sophisticated Alternatives to Common Words, but all I got was "osculate", which is more a humorous reference to kissing. Still, I could see that being useful in kdrama recaps.

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Right, but osculate reminds me a little bit of the word I jokingly use when I walk the dog: "I'm taking the dog out to micturate."

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Both are on this list! (borborygmus also shows up a lot in kdramas)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/top-10-strange-words-for-body-functions

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@technicrat: ‘Pash’ is a great but old slang term for deep kissing in the Anglosphere.

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@hacja: False modesty is a no no. This is how you roll!:)

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Koreans to become a year younger as traditional age system is scrapped.

Korea will adopt international age standards and do away with multiple systems of calculating age, including babies being one year old at birth and everyone being considered one year older on January 1, as well as the separate calculation for military service age and legal drinking/smoking.

Jeong Da-eun, a 29-year-old office worker, said she welcomed the change, since she always had to think twice when asked her age when overseas. “I remember foreigners looking at me with puzzlement because it took me so long to come back with an answer,” she said.

My birthday is December 27 and I’ve always found it weird that I’d have turned two years old … 5 days after I was born. Of course I’ve now reached an age where I sometimes struggle to remember how many birthdays I’ve had because there have been so damned many that it’s all a blur.

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There were two different things at play: societal and cultural.
Because of honorifics and respect toward one's elders, a simplified system was needed to speak formally to others. For example, all people born in 2000 are the same "age" for speaking purposes.

Also because Korea was such a conservative country with a past history of infant deaths, the concept of being born as a one year old (counting pregnancy time) as a newborn was common. It led to some people being two years "older" than their birth date. Also, there is a tradition to not register the birth of a child on the family registry (which is still a big thing since it controls many issues including inheritance) until 100 days after the baby is born (since that was the old time period of infant survival).

This year, Korea also began proposing the lowering of the age of criminal responsibility from 14 to 13. Currently, minors under 14 cannot be convicted of a crime in Korea.

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The honorifics is an element that hadn’t previously occurred to me but makes a lot of sense!

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@welh: Thank you for this wonderfully informative comment. Lowering the age of responsibility is regressive and lamentable.
Btw, please register! I appreciate you have your reasons for not doing so but I would love to read your comments in the blessed dark font!

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Amen lol!
(On behalf of our eyes perhaps there might be some kind of DB Amnesty Program to encourage registration.)

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‘DB Amnesty Program’ 👈 this sounds like there is a backstory which would be it’s own drama special🤨

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Wow.. thanks for the information. I knew the age calculation in Korea was somewhat different from other countries, but never did I know it is this complicated! I totally agree that they adopt the international way of calculating one's age system. I don't think there is any negative consequence to the country, and it will help lessen the complexity of such matter a great deal.

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I too have a December birthday, and I can never remember my age either. Altho I too can claim the blur of too many, my excuse is that the math never adds up right! Even without the complicated Korean system!

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When I was young, I made fun of my father because he gives his year of birth instead of his age when asked.
Now that I have a few dozen of years more, I totally understand ! It is much easier than to calculate the age which changes every year.

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There is an added benefit: the birth year never changes :).

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@As you said, sometimes Korean age would add 2 yesrs depending on when an actual birthday was. Part of me is sad this wonderfully unique aspects is being phased out. Capitalism wins again against cultural mores.

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I doubt it will win out immediately or totally. Adoption of the change in everyday life is likely to be slow, and in particular people will probably continue to identify themselves by birth year for age cohort and honorifics because that will be so much more practical than doing the math for everyone's individual birthday.

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So a few years ago and for reasons that are lost to the mists of time, a group of us decided to run our own end of year poll. It became somewhat of a tradition and so it continues to this day.

In 2019, Sky Castle got voted best drama
https://invisibledragon.home.blog/2019/12/28/2019-in-kdrama-the-poll-results/

In 2020, it was Hospital Playlist
https://invisibledragon.home.blog/2020/12/15/2020-in-kdrama-the-poll-results/

And last year of course it was Move to Heaven
https://invisibledragon.home.blog/2021/12/11/2021-in-kdrama-the-poll-results/

Now the time has come for 2022. As it is shaping up to be one of the more polarising drama years, I'm quite fascinated as to how the end of year voting is shaping up and what the results will be. Early voting has already shown some surprising and interesting trends.

So if you have a minute and want to cast your vote for the best, worst, funniest, saddest, most romantic drama this year then drop on by.

Vote here: https://forms.gle/fmv6TbZjuaw73VrM9

Results will be out by the end of the year

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

Whenever I am busy, the plot bunnies attack. As soon as I have time for them, they escape again. In case you were wondering how the end of the year review and the roundup 2022 are going.😅 I wished for more sleep and better health for this week, but I did ruin the former by ignoring curfew in order to write my posts. Not my fault my creativity awakens then! Besides, the days were busy enough without writing time.😁

I did organize a small write-in with my friend one evening that went quite well. We both wrote about an hour and watched an episode together afterwards as a reward. Hopefully we can plan another one next week. First, we are going for lunch and shopping in the city tomorrow. May the hours spent away from our writing replenish our creative juices!💪🏻

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sounds like a great outing, have fun!

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i finished watching 1899 on netflix. super strange, super good. the best part was watching "the making of..." - but NO PEEK! don't watch "the making of" until after you watch the short series.

don't watched the DUBBED version! it's international - several different languages spoken all at once! at times, i had to select the english CC also, because the lead actress sometimes spoke so softly i couldn't understand what she was saying...

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I woke up this morning and realized I had just been dreaming-dreaming-dreaming a K-drama! I was a chaebol heir CEO in a workplace comedy and getting up to all sorts of comic hijinks. What little I recall of it, it was quite the fun dream.

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I wonder if something is going round because someone else was trying find a drama. They couldn’t remember the name but knew they had seen the first a two episodes so they were really upset when they realised it was just a dream!

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Has anyone watched Lookism, the Korean anime version now on Netflix? Is it worth watching? The handful of reviews I've skimmed are mixed - as in, some loved all of it and some thought it was all pretty bad, rather than that it had a mix of good and bad points.

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