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Open Thread #791

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Usually i'm pro +ve December but this time things have to change and this is why +ve is not pro but just a +ve.

Cold season - Should i get a heater or not - foolish troubles that have simplest of outcome and yet you make them like climbing Everest.

15 more days to fight on - then will change more things - 1st is to get mattress, bed sheets and blankets.

January - hot food after 45 months - that's the aim for now.

Financially - -ve doesn't look good when all your hardwork is eaten by stock market.
Health - needs boost - that's the aim.

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I don't pay much attention toward the 12 months but this December i'm doing that -

typical human 2022 - events happen - its copy paste - which time isn't made of human action and events? The same will be for the future - whether those events are +ve or -ve. So 2022 by no means is special or even interesting. Pretty average you can say it is. Events you care about make you think that time was more chaotic but when you put data on table you get to see not much difference between various 12 months.

Chaotic it will be for sure when you are pushed into corner and that too for limited resources - and then you have temptation of increasing the levels of your life.

There is no natural disaster - just because things are not into your favour not makes natural event -ve. The same natural events have created the whole system for you thrive. And much that is chaotic is done by you, you are the cause and so you have to pay the exact price and face the consequences of your own selfish actions.

Thee is enough to sustain not only 8 but even 9 billion but if you want luxuries of heaven at the expense of everyone else then be ready to face the music too, can't cry, can't whine.

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My Twitter profile is no more - oh musk. not much was active there - had few tweets and mostly retweets of japanese media but most important was losing Lists - now have to find all create them one more time.

As for House or homes - This rise never stops - not even rent.
I had talked about buying a house in 2017-18 and its price at present is at +120% - in 49 months that rise looks stable but there are many around that saw the same 120-180% within 12 months - woah - could have turned millionaire - missed opportunity - but it was already out of my budget.

1st spend money buying - destroying it - then new designs - approvals and new material costs - It just doubles up.

Financial market demands your change in stance as per situation - if you don't then you get slapped hard. And i've done this so many times and this is why i'm in -ve in 2022,yet, i'm enjoying popcorn. You can't be crying over every hardship - this is part of life - ups and downs - if you start cry over everything then won't be able to have any peaceful day at all. Just sit, clear your mind - you and only you - enjoy the popcorn. Its like you are not even part of the world. At best a viewer who indulges in commentary.

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Do K-dramas reflect Korea’s current culture especially when romance is a theme? 2022 was a year where k-dramas featured many independent female leads.

Only half of young Koreans want to get married as the cost of settling down and raising children soars into the stratosphere and traditional attitudes fade According to Statistics Korea, 50 percent of young Koreans felt they needed to get married, down 1.2 percentage points from two years ago. The main reason for choosing not to marry was a lack of money cited by 28.7 percent respondents, followed by job insecurity with 14.6 percent. Statistics Korea surveys public views on marriage every two years.

A whopping 43.2 percent said they do not mind remaining single, while 3.6 percent actively avoid tying the knot. Perceptions of marriage differed according to age and gender. Only 29.1 percent of teenagers felt marriage is necessary, compared to a solid 71.6 percent of senior citizens. Among men, 55.8 percent of men still felt marriage is necessary, which contrasts with just 44.3 percent of women. Among singles, just 36.9 percent of men and 22.1 percent of women felt marriage is necessary. In 2022, the number of marriages fell while the divorce rate clicked up to 54 percent.

In the past few years, the Korean government has spent more than $150 million US to promote marriage and having children. The result has been dismal: the birth rate has plunged to 0.79. For a nation to maintain its population it needs a rate of 2.1. In comparison, the US is at 1.8 and Japan, which a decade ago was in worse shape than Korea, stands now at 1.6. The reasons are pretty clear: young people do not have the same desire to marry and have kids as their parents’ generation. On this issue, young women are 10 percent more against it than their male peers which puts mathematical scarcity in play.

Korean women have been accepted in the mainstream education and work force so many find a career as their top goal. But in a modern sense, Korea is still a very couple-centric culture. But dating and skinship includes same sex friends hanging out together without any romantic overtones. K-dramas are reflecting the country’s changing values.

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I have read similar statistics about South Korea before, but what it does not say is whether couples substitute marriage by cohabiting which is proven to be cheaper than living alone. Not getting married for financial reasons can only be explained if the marriage includes children. I know all too well how expensive it is to raise children (no regrets I have to say).

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Other articles I have read indicate that more single people are living alone without relationships or cohabitation. In Japan, there is a growing youth trend of being anti-social and introverted as a lifestyle choice to remain single. This is different from a form of severe social withdrawal, called hikikomori, which is characterized by adolescents and young adults who become recluses in their parents' homes, unable to work or go to school for months or years.

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Like many Dramabeans commentators, I’m caught up in the cooking fantasy that is Alchemy of Souls, as Uk tries to warm up the ice stone in his heart with a spicy blend of souls represented by the woman we’ll call “Snacksu”, and then of course Park Jin whose love is being denied until he is able to think of a creative dish that Maidservant Kim will find tasty. I think anyone who cooks for their partner (or prospective partner) can identify. Red bean meju = a recipe for desire, especially if it ferments properly. My refrigerator and side closet look like science projects, with sourdough, cucumbers, cabbage, kombucha, vinegar and yogurt in various stages of fermentation. These are the foods of love, although my wife often complains about the smell.

Thinking of Korean food, as we are so near the holidays, I conducted my usual intensive research by typing into the internet “what do Koreans eat for Christmas,” and just got a list of usual dishes, which are good, but don’t seem that special. Does anyone know if there are special Christmas foods that are traditional for Koreans?

As a third generation Swedish American, I grew up having a Christmas Julbord, a meal of diverse dishes which consists of fish, Fish, meat and Meat, with a vegetable course of potatoes and a variety of cheeses, and so generally continue that tradition. I once, partially as a joke, even made lutefisk, notorious in my family for being tasteless, soapy glop, ordering the dried fish and the lye for softening it on line. It was fine, but if there was ever a dish absolutely not worth extra preparation, it was that one. Also I had to sign a release when I received the lye, since it was a dangerous chemical, which gives one pause as a recipe ingredient, even if it was “food grade lye!” (I remember enough of my high school chemistry to know that lye is a base; the opposite, food grade sulphuric acid, might have added a better flavor to the dish!)

But back to Korean Christmas—this year for Christmas dinner I thought it would be fun to add a few typical Korean Christmas dishes to the ham and Swedish meatballs, in a classic California fusion cuisine, which is my signature cooking style if fusion means a bizarre tasting blend that only Park Jin could enjoy. So if anyone reading this has any suggestions for Korean Christmas dishes I’d appreciate it!

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🤣 “fish, fish, meat and meat” with potatoes as the veg. Ah, memories of my childhood with German grandparents, except that didn’t include the fish. As a former Minnesotan I can safely say uff da! to the lütefisk 🫢 How does a food ever develop that includes treatment with lye, I ask you? Maybe boredom and the long winters?

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One side issue I have with this dish is that the amount of lye I needed for one plank of fish was minimal, which means that I've had a bottle of lye in my cupboard for years. I've used it a couple of times for making bagels, but I can't think of anything else I'd do with it, except for maybe opening the kitchen drain. Which again, doesn't say much for lutefisk--"well, you can use it to unclog the kitchen drain."

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eeeeeek 😮

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Korea does not have a strong Christian history to have standard holiday traditions. 56.1 percent of population has no religious affiliation. Christians make up only 11 percent of the gross population.

In an article I read, Instead of a traditional Western Christmas roast, you might find the table adorned with South Korean classics like Bulgogi, sweet potato noodles and kimchi. A particular festive favorite includes tteok guk – a rice cake filled with meat or seafood and served with clear broth.

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Welh, tteok guk sounds promising
But where are you getting that stat? I have no trouble believing the 56% no religious affiliation, although Wikipedia has 46%. But the same article has Christians, at 29% of the population, outnumbering buddhists, at 23%. I know from Korean-American acquaintances that Christianity does indeed have long roots in Korea, although always as a minority faith. Near me, the 3 largest Presbyterian churches are Korean American.
But primarily, I would think as a global capitalist culture, South Korea celebrates Christmas, so that post WWII, say for the past 65 years you'd see some distinctive Christmas traditions developing.

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Christmas is celebrated in Korea (and is a public holiday) but it's kind of seen as a couple holiday rather than a family holiday. You're more likely to spend it with your romantic partner if you have one. While families do get together, it's usually a more casual affair than big holidays like Chuseok and Lunar New Year.

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Thanks @mindy, thats good to know!

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Yes, I thought that Korea was roughly 45-50% Christian and that was, again, roughly divided in half between Protestants and Catholics.

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Not quite. Around 45% of the country is religious, but 15% of those people are Buddhist. Catholicism accounts for less than 10%. The rest (20%) are Protestant.

From the 2015 census. http://image.kmib.co.kr/online_image/2016/1219/201612191738_61220011145071_1.jpg

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@mindy, thanks!

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"snaksu"..... omg. i'm still wiping my eyes, so perfect...

but maybe it was from your mention of lutefisk! are you in seattle? do you live in the ballard neighborhood??? "yah sure you betcha" is the common phrase...
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anything has to be better than the weird japanese "tradition" (in japan only) of eating fried chicken - yes, and i heard usually KFC fried chicken - for christmas dinner. but you must not forget the XMAS CAKE!

what's a Christmas Cake for crissakes... pun intended.

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I have been watching Bossam: Steal the Fate, and the ost is so beautiful. Especially Angular Stones, and Long Night. Of course it helps that the lyrics have been translated in the version I'm watching and it hits me completely differently as a non-musical person.

Reading the lyrics has had me wondering about something that I know of nothing about. Are kdrama osts all written and composed specificly for the show?

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In each production, the music director (usually with a background as a composer) works with the director sometimes with input from producer(s) to determine the style and moods for different scenes, and then comes up with several dozen musical cues, everything from repeated major themes, to one-off incidental cues, based on scene edits. The music director then works with musicians and other artists to create original musical scores or to license an existing song.

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This was tremendously helpful and wonderfully detailed. Thank you.

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I don't know the OST for Bossam, but I'm going to be a cranky old man here, mainly because I am one, and say that while I in general respect any show's music director, since matching dramatic action to songs is an extraordinary talent, most Kdrama OST's are totally unmemorable when listened apart from the show.

Now, I have to couch my blanket criticism by saying that I am just reading the lyrics in translation, and since the translated lyrics don't match the music, that is a big factor in hurting the appeal of any song. But there is a really insipid quality to most Kdrama OSTs--they really all sound the same, although of course there are slight differences if some are drawing on rap, or more on rock.

Please know, @midnight that I am NOT at all talking about your response to Bossam's OST, I'm sure its great. But generally when I read someone saying "I just love the OST" very often they are talking about the way the OST matches the action--whether its a love scene or a melodramatic interaction. The song itself adds to the scene, but totally in a background, mood music way.

The only memorable OST for me this year was a song from Sh**ting Stars--My Secret, My Everything, and thats partly because I'm a sucker for male-female duets, ever since Lionel Ritchie and Diana Ross Endless Love (1981)-- which this song was derivative of, but that's true of all pop ballads, so I'm not criticizing that. I'm just saying that most kdrama OST's are derivative in a way that is totally boring. I wouldn't be surprised if every kdrama has its own OST composed for it, because they sound like composers are churning them out via a single compose-by-the-numbers formula.

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Believe me, I completely understand you.

I'm not a musical person AT ALL, and I'm partly hearing inpaired, so it is very rare that I even notice the osts. They are mostly the same to me.

But there have been a few over the years that have stood out brilliantly to me. Two from Lookout, one from Hyena, Chief Kim, Wok of Love, and now the Angular Stones and another one from Bossam.
Othe than Bossam which I'm watching for the first time, the rest are coincidentally shows that I love and rewatch often, so I really don't know if I would have remembered the songs if I had only watched the show once. But they are all catchy 😄

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I found the OST for Bossom also quite beautiful and unusual. It did evoke a feeling of time which I think is important especially in a historical drama. The music seemed to me to have a feel of being written for a movie. Most of the music did not have a more modern pop culture sound which is in so many dramas (even historicals). That was something I appreciated.

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Bossam is one of my favorite OSTs too, in a way that goes beyond appreciating a catchy tune and adding it to my playlist. I thought the music selection really matched the soulful tone of the drama. While the songs weren't traditional in the sense of matching whatever the music was like in that period of history, they didn't feel anachronistic.

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Finally Friday and a weekend off! Having worked shifts during the two previous weekends, I've fallen really behind on the 2022 Roundup. I don't know if it's a good thing or not that I've watched so few Kdramas this year, but reading the Roundups of other beanies, I find quite a few shows being scratched off my future watch list and some potential gems being saved for next year.

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This is the first time after 2 years of staying at home that I have a face to face class and it’s exhausting already. I feel like being with a lot of people or if there is the need to be fully engaged with people irl for a long time I’m going to be too exhausted.

A good thing is that I made it throughout the day and am now back home in my wonderful bed. Papa decorated our trees in the garden with lights in different colors to make it a lot more festive and when I opened the gate and saw them I felt truly blessed and at home. My family is really my home (though yes they drove me mad at times).

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I think I know what you mean.
I spent almost 2 full years at home, so when I moved again and went to class I felt bad.

I missed my family a lot and I felt exhausted every time I took the bus or talked to people. 2022-1 was really hard, but for 2022-2 I was kind of lucky tho, since I only had 1 class and 70% of the work I had to do in my internship was to write, so I was able to do it from home.

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this has become the topic of discussion... what shall we do, how shall we act or feel when we can actually re-enter society and go out and interact on a daily, hourly basis with other human beings not in our "safe pods"?

i can feel that the past almost 3 years has definitely affected my comfort level of being around people, mainly in close quarters - without a MASK!!!

i may be one of the last maskers that will keep wearing one every winter or maybe yearround (i hope not)... because it has become my safe space when out in public.
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I totally understand. I was quite happy to wear a mask in public. It was freeing.

I was lucky to not be confined at home because I was working in a laboratory. Even though I made a point to be more present to every colleague on site (we had partial unemployment and extended shifts so that less persons were present at the same time) and thus I was not totally dis-habituated of contacts, I had a hard time during a family gathering. Only 20 persons in a garden. But I had to take a break alone.
It takes some time, but you will become confortable again in group situation. Fighting.

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Agreed. Covid has been a background battery drain while we get on with the day to day. Most of us are operating at much less than our pre covid capacity levels it could be 70% or less but we are acting like we should be able to cope as if we had optimum range. It has had a huge effect on the general publics sense of safety and comfort levels with each other and yet we have been expected to go from full precautions to nothing because it’s convenient. No one is wiping down areas or focusing on hand washing.

Current coughs and colds and various viruses are doing the rounds and leaving people quite ill because they are much stronger than usual. However, people still go into work and spread them around with an ‘as long as it’s not covid, it’s ok’ attitude. We should be thinking we need to take care of ourselves and stay away from others so our immune systems are fully recovered before we expose ourselves and others while covid is still doing the rounds.

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!
The end of the year review has been written and submitted!💪🏻 Every year it feels like a huge weight has dropped from my shoulders as soon as I have sent it in. I am far from done, though. There are still some interesting roundup prompts I want to write about, preferably also on the correct date.😅
That last part has proved to be quite the challenge. My own to-do list for December is quite modest, but inconveniently spread out to interfere with all the writing prompts and holiday preparations.😅 My parents are preparing and bringing food for the small family gathering on the 24th and hosting the bigger Christmas party the next day. As my task list is nearing its end and the festivities come closer, more of my time will be freed up to help my parents out next week. I am quite looking forward to preparing all the desserts next Friday!👩‍🍳

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There are dramas which excel artistically and there are ones which simply play on heartstrings.
A year since Our Beloved Summer started airing. I was at home and was still properly immersed in dramas.
This year, away from home and family, I somehow drifted away from dramas.
I am still listening the soundtrack and the songs bring snippets of life from last year. Like a time capsule.

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Regardless of how you feel bout 2022 as a drama year, the end of year poll is certainly interesting - possibly even more interesting than the drama year itself.

Engagement is down generally across the board and that has translated to the number of votes. But here I am soliciting again because - it's still a nail biter over here!

http://invisibledragon.home.blog/2022/12/07/2022-in-kdrama-the-end-of-year-poll/

While I don't want to influence the voting by pre-empting results, at the moment four - FOUR - dramas could easily and with very few votes win Best Drama. The top spot is tied with two other dramas very close behind.

So vote vote vote! If you loved a drama or have *big opinions* on something then head on over. I'm going to keep this open until a clear winner emerges. And this could really be anything.

http://invisibledragon.home.blog/2022/12/07/2022-in-kdrama-the-end-of-year-poll/

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This almost sounds like an invitation to vote for Marry Me Mary.

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Anticipate a vote entry with "Marry Me Mary" as the write in response for every category...

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Hi beanies! I'm finally free!
College is over! yay!
Next Tuesday I'm going home and never coming back. 😆

I'm gonna miss my friends, but I'm really bad at texting (I can't do it properly) and I hate going out (traveling is like my worst enemy). So all my friends are planning their trips and asking me if they can stay at my house when they visit.
We all know it won't happen, but we like to pretend.

I happy I'm gonna see my mom and sibilings, and I'm happy I'm gonna have time to do (or not do) things. That's all I need: family and free (me) time.

I hope you had a nice week, beanies. ☺️

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Congratulations! You made it through the toughest time to study ever 👏. I hope that the future career and friendships in the next stage of life are all you want them to be.

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Thank you ☺️💚

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Congratulations!

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Thank you! ☺️

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I wish The Law Cafe's webtoon source was translated. Recently I've seen Again My Life, Reborn Rich, and Extraordinary Attorney Woo on webtoon and all I think was I wanted The Law Cafe (Love by Law) to also be translated.

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There are so many webtoons I wish I could read in English too. The forbidden marriage looks like it would have been a good one.

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