Drama Reactions & Reviews
Thing vs. Thing: Foursomes 4eva
by | June 4, 2012 | 179 Comments

girlfriday: So there’s this strange phenomenon in dramaland, whereby everything good comes in groups of four. Why is this? Who determined that four should be the magic number?

javabeans: I think, as with so many things, we can trace the root of the problem to Boys Before Flowers.

girlfriday: It’s a great mystery of the universe why that show spawned as many things as it did.

javabeans: Great mystery, or simple answer? (Lee Min-ho. ‘s all you need. I mean, SERIOUSLY. He can kick off any and all trends, no matter how nonsensical. Pink trousers. Corkscrew curls. Cropped-too-short pants. Bare feet and boat shoes.)

girlfriday: Um… he still has all those things, minus the curls.

javabeans: And yet, still so hot.

girlfriday: There are almost too many groupings of 4 to pick just two. Who do we have?

javabeans: F4, obviously.

girlfriday: And F44, the ajusshi version.

javabeans: Sungkyunkwan’s Joseon F4’s gotta be in the mix.

girlfriday: And then there’s the OTHER Joseon F4, with the Rooftop ducklings.

javabeans: Damn, are we tapped out already? But there are still so many 4’s left! There’s ANJELL 4, and Ramyun 4, and Triple 4.

girlfriday: Triple didn’t have three?

javabeans: Oh. I guess that makes more sense.

girlfriday: No one ever said math was our strong suit.

javabeans: But still! More 4’s! Sol Pharmacy Brothers 4, Ojakkyo 4… I do wonder, though: Why are all the ladygroups trios, then? I Need Romance, The Woman Who Still Wants To Marry, My Sweet Seoul… THE NUMBERS DON’T MATCH UP. If this were the real world, that would be a sad, sad story. Always a lonely seventh wheel.

girlfriday: It would be bad for meetings.

javabeans: Except at date-meetings, there’s always that bitch who hogs two boys, so maybe it works out after all.

girlfriday: They pre-screened the group to get rid of her?

javabeans: If only that could happen in real life.

girlfriday: You can only be my friend if you fill out this waiver for the FBI to do a background check?

javabeans: That, my friend, is what we call a red flag.

girlfriday: I’m pretty sure that’s past flag, and into foot-on-landmine scenario.

javabeans: *Mmm, distracted by Lee Min-ho.*

girlfriday: FOCUS!

javabeans: IT’S HARD. (That’s what she said.)

girlfriday: Get it together! Eye candy in multiples of four!

javabeans: Okay, okay, back to F4. (Hello again, Lee Min-ho.) Maybe we can’t pick just two F4’s to Thing-versus-Thing, so we expand the theoretical cagematch to four groups of four.

girlfriday: Thunderdome: Foursomes.

javabeans: I’m not sure that means what you think it means.

girlfriday: Or does it?

javabeans: Touché. Let’s do this systematically, and start with leaders. There’s Lee Min-ho, Jang Dong-gun…

girlfriday: Wait, why does Yoochun get to be a leader twice?

javabeans: Ha, I just realized that. Although I guess you could argue that Daemul is the leader of one of those. Or we can swap out ducklings with ANJELLs, if we want to go with iconic foursomes.

girlfriday: Both can play.

javabeans: Are we doing FIVE fours? The math is going to be the end of me.

girlfriday: We can do it! It’ll work. I think.

javabeans: That’s what she said?

girlfriday: STOP THAT.

javabeans: It’s like an earworm. You just can’t get rid of the annoyingly catchy song at will, or without first infecting others.

girlfriday: But you could keep it to yourself.

javabeans: Why spare others when I could share? I’m not a noble idiot here.

girlfriday: Well you’re certainly not noble. (Snaaaaap!) Okay, so leaders… well they’re all pretty diva-esque.

javabeans: I’d argue that Daemul is the “best” leader in that (s)he inspires the others to follow, whereas Hwang Tae-kyung and Gu Jun-pyo are sorta ruling with an iron fist.

girlfriday: Though Yi Gak kinda wins in that he’s a royal, so his posse literally bows at his feet.

javabeans: He gets the easiest pass as leader given his bloodline, but the flipside of that is that he doesn’t earn it, no?

girlfriday: Yeah, he gets backlash when his minions realize that in the 21st century, they get to be on equal footing.

javabeans: And they’ll always have their minor rebellions against him, whether it’s by withholding their beer or crunching food symbolically. On the plus side, at least one of those ducklings is prepared (and trained) to give up his life for him, which I’m not sure anyone else can boast.

girlfriday: I think Daemul’s got a pretty solid bodyguard in Guhro.

javabeans: I buy that he’d risk his safety to save her. I’m not convinced he’d give up his life entirely, though. But Guhro totally wins in the broodiest sidekick category.

girlfriday: Probably. But who’s his competition?

javabeans: Um… rapping gangster chaebol boy?

girlfriday: Or Jung Yong-hwa? I think Kim Min-jong is headed that way.

javabeans: No, not Kim Min-jong! *Sadface*

girlfriday: I know! I have so much involuntary love for any character he plays. It’s such a holdover from the 90s. There’s gotta be a clinical term for that. 90s Idol Hangover?

javabeans: Drama Association Beer Goggles?

girlfriday: The Transitive Property of Drama Hero-dom?

javabeans: As things stand now, though, Guhro’s probably the most thwarted in love, stepping aside so his leader can have the girl instead. Although he didn’t sing her a tearful song, Jeremy-style. I guess Shi-woo hyung might count, but to be honest, I’m not sure he could emote anything, so I put Jeremy ahead of him on the pain scale.

girlfriday: I luff Jeremy. So squishable.

javabeans: He really did give that character added oomph. And yes, *squish.* Guhro did get a bromance out of the deal, though, so you can’t feel too sorry for him.

girlfriday: And not just a consolation bromance, but an epic bromance to end all bromances.

javabeans: Which bromance was more epic, though—that one, or the fanfic slash three-way between the ANJELL boys?

girlfriday: I think Sungkyunkwan still wins all slashy awards. That drama spawned more fanfic than… anything ever.

javabeans: True, Sungkyunkwan’s real-life slashfic way outnumbers ANJELL’s fictional slashfic. The math wins in this one. I wonder if Yi Gak had the best posse, in that none of his boys challenged him for the girl, but were busy little Cupids instead. I suppose F3 were supportive, too, but you can’t really beat matching tracksuits or couple (quartet) tees, can you?

girlfriday: F4 had a quartet of sports cars? Yeah, I dunno.

javabeans: Maybe that’s the rich people version of male bonding. Driving, skiing, shooting, and kayaking together. This is how we support our leader, by having matching cars and boats and helicopters. OH WAIT, JI-HOO. He totally challenged Jun-pyo for the girl. It was a whole thing!

girlfriday: OH. I forgot all about him!

javabeans: I was like, I know there’s a fourth guy, but who was he?

girlfriday: So maybe he wins for most broody unrequited whatchamacallit.

javabeans: He did have pancakes of sadness and other tragic foodstuffs.

girlfriday: And sad hair. Or… was that just regular hair?

javabeans: You can never tell with idols. He had a violin, though. Those are sad, right?

girlfriday: They are when you play them in the snow.

javabeans: And they cut your fingers, mirroring the cutting of your heart.

girlfriday: Pffft. Well then I’m back on Team Guhro, ‘cause he got cut with SWORDS.

javabeans: That was never any contest. Guhro could cut you with his stare.

girlfriday: Rawr.

javabeans: Although if we go back to the whole hair thing… Guhro, mebbe not so much. Does Jun-pyo win for rocking a hairstyle that has no business being rocked, or does Hwang Tae-kyung win for the sheer crazy?

girlfriday: Hair Award goes to Hwang Tae-kyung, hands down.

javabeans: Also, the guyliner award.

girlfriday: Very important. He probably also wins the skinny jeans award, though Yi Gak pulls in quite a showing.

javabeans: Who put up with the most humiliation for the girl, you think? Jan-di sure put Jun-pyo through the wringer, but Yi Gak had Troll hair and acid washed jeans. Still, I’m not sure you can top vomit in mouth.

girlfriday: Yup. Winner. Or… Loser. Each foursome always has a playboy, right? Er, more of a playboy than the others?

javabeans: Lessee, there’s Kim Bum with the saxophone of all cringiness. And Yeo-rim the fashion designer, though he seemed way more cuddly with his bro than with any ladies.

girlfriday: There’s the eunuch playboy Chi-san. Still don’t get.

javabeans: Yeah me neither.

girlfriday: There’s Lee Jong-hyuk, the married playboy. He wins for Biggest Cad.

javabeans: When marriage enters the equation, you stop being a playboy and just turn into an ass. And on the flipside of that, it makes eunuch boy the most harmless playboy.

girlfriday: What about on the friendship scale? F44’s gotta win ‘cause they’ve been friends for twenty-two years. Though… with the time-travelers, have they been friends for three hundred years?

javabeans: I think you have to be conscious for that time to count, so F44 wins. Hwang Tae-kyung seems to have a distant relationship with his ANJELL boys, so he’s on the bottom end of the friendship meter.

girlfriday: I’m trying to figure out what F4 has in common except being filthy rich.

javabeans: F4 have been friends for the greatest percentage of their lives, though, meaning they have shaped each other more than F44, who met as adults, right?

girlfriday: More or less. They met at 18.

javabeans: Whereas F4 have been together since kindergarten and spent their formative years together. Although… I’m not sure that’s a good thing, actually. Can’t you imagine them all being so fixed in their roles that they go to college and are the new jjangs, and then fearfully look over their shoulders half-expecting Jun-pyo to be there with his tyrant’s orders? Compared to, say, the Sungkyunkwan 4, who meet young enough to grow into their ideals together, but have distinct roles outside the group. You know, like avenging and fashion designing.

girlfriday: Ha. I do agree that Joseon 4 has the best grouping of distinct personalities. They have the best new friendship, and F44 has the best old friendship.

javabeans: Do you not love how in this very small sampling of an entirely unrelated topic, we have TWO cross-dressing heroines in disguise cohabitating with their future boyfriends?

girlfriday: Hahaha. So then we have to throw that into the competition too! Which foursome has the best non-boy?

javabeans: Both heroines are doing it to help out their family, so nobility scale is even. On the idiot half, however… One’s a smarty-smart scholar, and the other one glues her fingers together. What adult woman does that?

girlfriday: The kind that vomits in other people’s mouths?

javabeans: Ha. But Mi-nyeo (I just can’t call her Mi-nam, when she’s not a nam and not her brother!) helps her man deal with a crippling condition. Sun-joon needs no such help.

girlfriday: But Tae-kyung finds out right away that Mi-nyeo is a girl, whereas Sun-joon actually accepts the fact that he loves Yoon-hee even if that means he’s gay. Winner!

javabeans: Tae-kyung never really got the chance to test that, so I can’t hold it against him. If Sun-joon were faster on the uptake, he wouldn’t have HAD to face that question.

girlfriday: That’s true. He is quite dim in that respect.

javabeans: Tae-kyung wins for thoughtful gifts. He made her a Pig-Rabbit! And spent a hundred bucks on a plastic hairclip! He wins 100 points out of 10!

girlfriday: Haha, I forgot about his crazy scale and point system. Yes, he does win for best gifty, though it’s his own damn fault for spending that much.

javabeans: Maybe he thought it was 100 bucks out of 10.

girlfriday: He does math like us.

javabeans: Wait, if we’re no longer just restricting the conversation to ladies in drag, do we have to include Jun-pyo’s outlandish gifts into this equation? He bought Jan-di clothes and jewels and a one-of-a-kind necklace and a freaking private plane ride to New Caledonia and I think also Macau… If he’d had his way he would’ve bought her the world, or as much of it as he could afford. Stupid and misguided, but kind of incredibly sweet too.

girlfriday: Urg, rich boys. Then I guess Yi Gak and his black card, rooftop-room-remodeling self is some fierce competition too.

javabeans: Ohhh, right. He bought her a penthouse and a juice store too. C’mon Sun-joon, what’s with your lack of gifting? Or in this scenario, does that actually speak well of him?

girlfriday: Did he not get her anything? That can’t be true.

javabeans: Maybe… a pile of books or something?

girlfriday: Oh, he wrote her those adorable love notes tucked in books. Just what a brainy girl would want.

javabeans: Who wins, star-moon necklace, or star-moon metaphor? One got lost a lot, and the other got beat into our heads a lot.

girlfriday: They cancel each other out.

javabeans: I’ll give it to the ajusshis for being the snazziest dressers. Those sharp suits!

girlfriday: Right? So. Much. Eye. Candy. The only other foursome with decent clothes is Sungkyunkwan, just ‘cause period costumes keep them from veering into fashion WTFery.

javabeans: Yeo-rim did have his flowery fans and luxury silk hanboks, but at least they were still beautiful clothes. A far cry from ripped Flashdance sweaters, saggy-crotched pants of doom, recycling-bin castoffs, or ascots and brocade waistcoats on a 19-year-old. There are just some things that get better with age.

girlfriday: So… which foursome wins the cagematch?

javabeans: The only way to find out is to lock them all in the cage and make them fight it out. Maybe in Jell-o.

girlfriday: Then… Winner: Jell-o.


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179 Comments from the Beanut Gallery
  1. Kelinci Biru

    You forget Shut up flower boy band quartet? *sadface*

    • 1.1 Kelinci Biru

      or did you counted them as fivesome?

      i thought they should win guyliner award, hands down. at least Byung Hee.

      • 1.1.1 nova611

        lol..i was thinking it too…but then i realized. they are more than 4

    • 1.2 Leona

      More than four: Queen Seon Deok:
      YuShin aka Uhm Tae Woong,
      Bidam aka Kim Nam Gil
      Alcheon Lee Seung Hyo
      Wolya aka Joo Sang-wook
      Kim ChunChu aka Yoo Seung Ho – however he was a minor at the time

      and this pic is for the pretty:

      • 1.2.1 mandelbrotr

        Mmmmm. Thanks for the pretty.

      • 1.2.2 will work for soju

        Love the look that Bidam is giving Yushin!

        • Vira

          His smile is DAEBAK !!

      • 1.2.3 beggar1015

        Ah yes, I can just taste the rainbow.

      • 1.2.4 goldenkiwi

        I miss Queen Seonduk… ;w;

      • 1.2.5 Ladymoonstone143


    • 1.3 nonski

      yes! SUFBB fighting!

    • 1.4 a_fan

      COFFEE PRINCE had 4 guys too! And so did Flower Boys Ramyon Shop.

    • 1.5 Radhika

      love love love SUFBB~!!

  2. Zain

    I love you guys~

  3. soojin08


  4. Stacy

    So. Much. Awesome.

    • 4.1 Stacy

      Seriously, I think this is now my favorite article series.

      • 4.1.1 Tiktok

        ME TOO! Too much candy but aint complaining!

        F4 started it all but its only Minho that I really like out of the four. The other characters were forgettable.

        The best for me is Sungkyunkwan Scandal, the Joseon 4. You will love each character and they all matter in the story.

        Next one for me is Rooftop Prince. Yoo Chun is soooo adorably sexy there with his skinny jeans and the smiles. The other three were so cute!!!

        I am beginning to love F44. Its Jang Dong Gun, I think no explanation is needed. Plus you have Min Jong, Suro and Jong Hyuk. C’mon they are HOT! Except for Suro I guess since I will always remember his antics in Family Outing that I can’t take him seriously.

        • skelly

          Actually, can someone explain to me why Jang Dong Gun is supposed to be so cool? This is the first show I have seen him in, and I am just not getting it (and it isn’t an age thing, I am still a decade older than him). As far as I can see, he is just an egotistical jerk with bad hair and more wrinkles than I have. Is it just because his character is so detestable? Does he actually play someone nice or someone cool, at some point? All he does here is yank this one poor woman’s chain while shacking up with another woman. Is he a nice person off-screen, or something?

  5. Dewo

    Can’t decide either. If I have to pick the winner, than I do eany, meany, mini moo.

    • 5.1 mariolawpanda

      Really? I thought the winner was US? Haha. So much pretty to look at. Plus if a cagematch in Jell-o did happen, everyone wins. Haha.

  6. Arhazivory

    Now I’m wondering who’s my favourite F4 of the ones I’ve watched… Hmm, its a toss up between the Joseon ducklings and the Joseon scholars.

    Nice feature ladies. There was so much pretty to look at in this post. ^^

    • 6.1 nozomi05

      me too… i like the joseon ducklings and the joseon scholars.

      can’t decide which i like better, but i think i’m favoring the joseon scholars more at this moment. when i think of song joong ki and yoo ah in i just can’t help but smile.

  7. UJ

    HAHAHAHAH i looooove this!! <3
    i personally love all of the quartet except F44..they are too old for me :p

    • 7.1 nova611

      haha…exactly my thoughts

    • 7.2 forgetdeadlines

      yeah, they’re around my dad’s age so…

    • 7.3 alua

      have to agree. just a bit too old (although they are younger than my dad)

    • 7.4 trixicopper

      Good! More F44 for ME! :)

      • 7.4.1 celest1al

        Agreed. F44 all the way! I’m always inclined towards older men… hahaha.

  8. Yue

    Ahahah!! OMG! I love you guys. This made me laugh so hard. I think if I have to pick a favourite foursome out of the equation… If I REALLY must… Sungkyunkwan wins… Sorry, nothing beats sidekicks with sword and a cheerful one xD

  9. Zie

    Hehehehe Cool.. I love reading this Thing vs. Thing stuff. LoL

    Thanks girls,, ^^

  10. 10 Shukmeister

    And The First Shop of Coffee Prince, which had the big dumb guy, the quiet sharp guy, the yippy-barking sidekick guy, and, of course, The Big Prince.

    • 10.1 Kelinci Biru

      but that means counting out Ajusshi and Eun Chan?

      • 10.1.1 alua

        well, I think a lot of it is depending on how you count it…. whether to include the girl or not (like with AN.JELL, which I always more saw as 3+1).

        But if we have to pick a winner, I’m going to have to go over to the other side and pick the Japanese F4 😛

        although I have to say the ducklings very much warmed my heart very much.

        • Ani

          I’d go with the Joseon Power Rangers (er, Ducklings) if I were to pick out of the kdrama lot. But if I have to choose the F4 of F4s that started it for me, then I am with you on the Japanese F4. Hahahaha.

          • mojaslatka

            I’m with you in Japanese F4. Totally totally in love with them. So many F4s I have seen but nothing beats my Japanese F4.HYD all the way.

            Although, Rooftop F4 warmed my heart with their sincere acts which were just sooo funny for me.

            Joseon F4 comes next.

            Javabeans and Girlfriday, thanks again for another awesome thing vs thing.

    • 10.2 Mel

      Yaaa, Coffee Prince!!! Exactly, part of the original F4!!! They were lots of FUN!!!!

    • 10.3 sleeplessinwgtn

      Good point! IMHO, I think the F4 in Coffee Prince would have to include Eun Chan but not Han Kyul. And they are the most adorable F4, to me. I love their friendship and conern for each other, and the bickering is so cute!

  11. 11 Hat

    Fav from all the 4s? Jeremy, Guhro, with the leaders taken out of the equation. The leaders have so much build-up its not fair to include them, but Guhro and Jeremy really were there for their girl. Oh and so cute *squish*

    • 11.1 mud

      Agreed! Jeremy was so adorable and earnest. And Guhro was too cool for school =DDD

      I think my vote would go to SKKS Quartet for overall best group of 4.

  12. 12 Mystisith

    Give me the assy gentlemen please! And the SKKS Quartet if the ahjussis are busy chasing girls like high-schoolers…

    • 12.1 Shukmeister

      Haah! I agree, Myst. But then, I can appreciate the antics of older people. lol

  13. 13 mtoh

    Love, love, love, love thing vs. thing!!!!

  14. 14 enamor

    ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤.

    Another one for sungkyunkwan from me please!

  15. 15 Cynthia

    I just have this huge smile plastered on my face, and it started from the second I started reading this post!

    Apparently, fangirling knows no age.

  16. 16 anicheung

    It’s probably not fair for me to judge, since I’ve only seen half of these series (SKKS and You’re Beautiful), but if I had to choose, then it would definitely be our Joseon scholars from SKK. I was always under the impression that this group didn’t really have a leader and they all four kind of brought their group together in their own way. Of course, I guess Yoon-hee DID play a pretty big role in actually BRINGING them all together initially. But none of them actually ruled over any of the other three (if that makes any sense.) They kind of all did their own thing and fell in step with each other all too naturally.

  17. 17 exquisitemelody

    Joseon F4 ♥ ♥

    Hilarious read, thanks!

  18. 18 Huong

    Maybe because I’m getting old as well but the ajusshi are sexy

  19. 19 SSHlove

    Joseon 4 FOREVA !!! :) It’s a wholesome quartet where we admire all and each on their own.

  20. 20 Hagar

    I love this. and I loved all of them except BOF foursome (loved hana yori dango’s F4 better)

  21. 21 x0mi07

    BEST THING vs THING evarrrrrrr!!!!^^ had lotsa fun reading it!^^ <3 <3 <3

  22. 22 Mawiie

    Ahhh I practically jumped of joy when I saw a pic of SKKS xD

    Can the next Thing vs Thing be exclusively about bromance??? LOL

    • 22.1 moonymeia

      Seriously, we need a LIKE button……

      For me, JaeShinxYongHa bromance was the best thing since ‘Duelist”.

  23. 23 9to5

    there’s also the Vampire Idol boys! there’s some bromance and interesting clothing in there too.

    I love thing vs thing, hilarious convo!

    • 23.1 AuntieMame

      Oh, how could we forget our vampy’s! And, they bow to the floor for their Prince, too. Although they don’t have a fashion designer. They do have the brainy, the mechanical and the protector.

  24. 24 kyunie

    u make my day GF and JB! Hilarious. 😀

  25. 25 Roro

    Joseon F4 (RTP J4) there are just love…

  26. 26 Carole McDonnell

    “just ‘cause period costumes keep them from veering into fashion WTFery.” <– LOL

  27. 27 penguinnfish

    the most awesome article ever!

  28. 28 Cabbage

    I think the point of having F4 clones is that you overload on the sexy. This entire post is overloaded with so much hottness, firewalls are going to start blocking it.

    • 28.1 Stacy

      OMG NO! /takes down firewall….laptop spontaneously combusts/

  29. 29 J

    Hahahaha, how timely that I’ve been wondering lately if the F4 is to be recast with our current crop of youthful hotties! Actually, scrap the entire BOF cast entirely and start all over again. And you decide to post this article about the flower quartet, what a coincidence…

    Since I’m at it, lemme ask you guys if we got the chance to cast them all over again, who would be your ideal ep-ppeu-po (F4)?^^

    • 29.1 ...

      hmmmm…. the question requires some serious thinking. u have no idea how long i spent cutting it down to these 4! hahahaha… was fun though 😉

      wonbin (i know he’s ‘old’, but who wouldn’t watch an F4 that had him in it?), kang dong won, lee min ho and lee ki woo (who can forget this episode? http://www.dramabeans.com/2011/11/flower-boy-ramyun-shop-episode-5/ )

      • 29.1.1 queenjade

        i was thinking about that. i loved me my ramyun shop flower boys!!! ESPECIALLY LEE KI WOO as the leader. [mmmmm man god that he is]

  30. 30 lovedrama


  31. 31 martha

    This made my day – laughing out loud this early in the morning! Thank you 😀

  32. 32 needlight

    so I just realized I’ve watched all of the dramas above, which means I probably have a thing for quartets…lol…
    such a great thing vs. thing post and I’m impressed at your ability to remember so much details from each of the dramas. :)

  33. 33 UK Chick

    Sun Joon gave her medicines to give to her family? And maybe food?

    • 33.1 risa

      Sun Joon wins not because of what he gave her, but because if what he was willing to give up for her. That was the biggest gift of all.

    • 33.2 Yeng

      He also gave her money for school and the couple ring…but I think the most important thing is he gave her his heart and is willing to scarifies for her. Their romance is the best!

    • 33.3 la dee dah

      What Sun Joon gave her was the push to do something good with her smarts and to make her stop feeling as if her social status prevented her from achieving anything. He could have had her arrested for assisting in cheating in the beginning, but he saw something in her and steered her towards the school. He could have let her quit the archery tournament when she wanted to quit, but he kept telling her she could do it and gave her that “miracle” to believe in. I think those were bigger gifts than anything tangible.

  34. 34 im_eve

    but i loved guhro’s hair!!! all hair! i mean facial hair included!

  35. 35 lovedramas

    Love love love this. I love F44, despite some of them being a royal pain in the arse! Of course, the Yoochun lead ones :) LMH – darn – just too many hotties.

    Anyhow – Sunjoon did get Yeonhee stuff… like the couple ring :) Cuteness!

  36. 36 mollyp

    So much gorgeousness. Methinks Jalgeum Quartet win. I mean so much bromance. Between all of them.

  37. 37 FishFillets

    thanks jb and gf for the laughs xD best thing vs thing so far hahahaha my mom thought i went nuts~ 😀

  38. 38 im_eve

    well gotta admit tho, my 1st guys of 4 love was meteor garden f4 hee….but friendship-wise, it’s SKKS for me..but ANJELL will always always have a sweet part in my heart..it was just really cracktastic!

  39. 39 Dara

    SKKS 4 all the way!
    Haha, the ajussi who took off his wedding ring every time he’s on the move just cracked me up.

  40. 40 Laya

    I love this post <3

    SKK F4 is still my favorite F4. 😀

    Hmm, weren't The Stupid and The Windflowers also in groups of 4?

    Dream High did have the four misfits which became six. 😀

  41. 41 Divyrus

    Awesome 😀 Hilrarious! Keep doing this thing Vs thing!
    Dont stop!

    I dont get the last one.. Jell-o? Is it rooftop prince reference??? i didnt see that one!

  42. 42 howforwardsale

    Definitely SKKS’s Joseon 4. That drama put me on to the power that is Yoo Ah In.
    Meanwhile, it’s ripple effect on my life has been un-measurably damaging. Two words, “king” and “fashion.”
    I give you permission to put them together in whatever order you want to, because I can no longer be bothered to care about those miserable months of 2012.
    I’m piecing my drama life back together slowly but I’ll never be the same. Let this be a lesson to you all. One GOOD drama can lead to ruin down the line.

    • 42.1 Cynthia


      Are you implying that Fashion King was a sucking Black Hole of Drama?!

      I certainly hope so, cause it was.

    • 42.2 jyyjc


  43. 43 KStyle

    While I love my SKKS boys, there can only be one true winner for me and that’s my BoF guys. I mean you truly had different dudes for different moods. You had the rich and spoiled, rich and playboy, rich and sweetheart, and rich and ride a die. I mean hey as long as everyone is rich plus good-looking hehe ^.^

    I love the fact that Mickey Yoochun has been in two foursomes( hehe, my mind went elsewhere for a second) and there has been two Lee Min Hos as well.

    Oh YAY for epic Foursomes of the Pretty!!!

    • 43.1 Hillary


  44. 44 Momos

    This is really hard for me.. I fall for LMH becoz of Gu Jun Pyo ..then came along JGS in the eccentricity of Hwang Tae Kyung, first fangirlism for PYC for his smarty nerdy Lee Sun Joon, made worse for Royal Highness YiGak…
    Gah, what a timeline of trendies!!!!
    Still, got to give first award to Chunnie… Adorable Chunnie..
    If I had to make a bucket list, meeting Chunnie in person wud be the first in the list….

  45. 45 delicatecloud

    WOW WOW – this post is AWESOME and so hilarious. Me thinks that the F44 is just so slick and smooth and on matured and more realistic relationships in the 21st century which me likes very much. Way better, in my opinion than F4 BOF, which to be honest is more for the “younger generation”! (boy i am going to get some fleck for this!).

    I loved the SKKS quartet a lot too – i agree that there is no real leader in this group but a coming together of four individuals with very specific ideas of what life is and how to, if possible, change that life i.e. make it better for all, both men and women.

    Thanks JB and GF – keep these posts coming!

  46. 46 Yami

    Not to bring up the math, but if a group has one secret girl then and they hook up with a girlgroup of three you’ll end up with one extra girl. because secret girl always gets one of the guys.

    • 46.1 howforwardsale

      Let’s face it secret girl has the alpha and beta males from her foursome in love with her, so really that only leaves one truly free guy for the team of girls.

      On the other hand, the Team Girl usually has a sexually forward female in the mix so she has probably dated the guys on the team already anyway. Let’s assume she’s super cool, nonchalant and just along for the laughs.

      On the third hand (yes, I have 3 hands, I dunno about you guys) the beta male is gonna be a super attractive pile of putty out for a rebound so he will be perfect for the sexually prudish 3rd female on the team. That equation is gonna equal out perfectly. three couples and a sexy/cool single female (seventh wheel).

  47. 47 Jas

    This is hilarious! Thank you for a good smile :)

  48. 48 astoldbyannabanana

    coffee prince quartet? or would Eun Chan make it 5?

  49. 49 AuntieMame

    HAHAHA! Javabeans and GirlFriday = Priceless!

    The two of you are better and more than 4, 44, 84 or any combination thereof.

    Great, great article! Thanks

    Actually, I thought of a future ‘4’ drama, where the F84’s in a modern day senior care facility time-travel back to Joseon and become F24’s. They like being young, but they also miss the conveniences of modern day. So, they keep popping back to the present and bringing ‘stuff’ back to the past.

    With this drama, we’ll get 2 sets of 4’s. One set of 24 and one of 84. (That makes 8, right????)

    • 49.1 AuntieMame

      And, to think all this spawned from the F-4’s in Hana Yori Dango.

      Who would’ve ever thought . . .

  50. 50 ilikemangos

    LMAO –thanks girls. had a GOOOD laugh this wonderful morning.

    • 50.1 ilikemangos

      and i am loving these thing v. thing’s

  51. 51 eternalfive

    Omgsh, you two are are just hilarious together. These Thing vs Thing’s are GENIUS. Couldn’t stop laughing. XD

  52. 52 megels7719

    I love Thing vs Thing! It makes fun of the things we love so much! Thanks!

  53. 53 ahjummabunny

    I “nooooed” at the kim min jong thing too. I don’t even have 90’s leftover love, or even 4 dramas worth of left over love.

  54. 54 JoAnne

    I love you guys almost as much as I love Ha Ji Won. You kick ass in a completely different way, but you definitely kick ass. :)

  55. 55 Noemi

    This just made my day 😀 Love the thing v. thing reviews…and loved reminiscing about the Joseon F4 (totally my favorite)!

  56. 56 Kim Yoonmi

    Hana Yori Dango is Japanese… (Better than the Korean series) The manga ran from 1992 – 2003. It also marked the shift in Japanese dramas of making anime for Shoujo towards making dramas (cheaper) for Shoujo instead.

    I wouldn’t quite count the F4 of ANJELLs and Sungwan–since technically it was more about how all these guys lusted after one girl, which you can trace back to the Japanese manga, “Swan” at the oldest. And then you have Fushigi Yuugi for a memorable 7 men to one girl (though one was gay, one was questionably bi… and one was a monk… one was too young, and only two were really chasing after her.)

    The Start Love Manhwa in 1999 has 4 guys to one girl. (Which predates the release of Boys Before Flowers in Korea).

    Also have to point out that girls do come in fours, for example the old manhwa: Four Daughter of Armian. So it’s not Korean culture proper.

    Secretly, though, I think it’s because 4 means death (same sound in Korean), and seeing 4 handsome guys chase after you is like having a heart attack. ^.~

    Whereas with three girls, you can hit all three stereotypes, and covers the whole “Maiden” “Mother” “Crone” thing. You got the “innocent” that has never been with anyone (Maiden) You have the “relatable character” with “Some experience” (Mother) and you have the crone. (Done it all and more guys the better). Which just shows we have issues with how women fit into “types” and “roles”

    Besides, the majority who watch are by and large women, so more eye candy for the lonely housewives the better. You saw how real couples tanked on We Got Married. They like the fantasy.

  57. 57 makoto

    you can count The Joseon Quartet of Moon Sun, too. I love the scene when they were young n played football. 😀 btw I love Gu yong ha… he’s cute. :-*

  58. 58 shoesrgreatrite

    COFFEE PRINCE!! That drama was like in 2006! WAAAYYYY before the F4 craz started. But then again, Lee Min Ho WAS the trendsetter…

    • 58.1 Carinne

      I know right, minus YEH and Mr Voice, those Coffee Princes… who can forget the waffle guy and his painted black nails? He set that trend for all Kdrama guys thereafter. Still, I prefer the coffee shop owner and his euro homme style.

  59. 59 shoesrgreatrite


  60. 60 nabithoj

    Call me old but I prefer F44 ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the way!! I prefer MEN, not boys who look like men…hahaha ;P

    But gotta say love the bromance between Joong Ki and Ah In…so cute and adorable…lol

  61. 61 vasou

    The capital scandal 4 was the best :)

    • 61.1 missjb

      whah… F4’s capital scandal was hillarious. I agree lol

      But if I’m pick one of my sentimental favourite among F4 in this article, I’ll pick anjells…. That’s because anjells has stayed in my heart for quite long.

  62. 62 azzurri

    Oh Gosh I love you guysss…!

    My ultimate bromance 4 is still the Meteor Garden 4, I guess they had plenty of time to build up that brotherhood with almost 30 episodes. But if they didn’t have chemistry, I guess even 300 episodes would not have convinced us.

    But out of this group… hmm… I really like F44 but its too soon to tell… and Yeorim and Guhro…OMG love love love them together. So… can’t decide. But LOVE this article! <3

  63. 63 Vira

    Don’t forget to count the quartet from My black mini dress film. ^^

  64. 64 LeiDiAngelo

    Sungkyunkwan Quartet will always be my favourite F4. The wisdom, maturity, noble idiocy, one-sided love, cross-dressing, action, comedy and BROMANCE. A lot of bromance *swoon*
    Though … I’m beginning to love F44 as well !

  65. 65 foolmoon

    And there is one more Joseon F4 from The MoonSun: King Hwon, his brother Prince Yang Myung, his brother-in-law Heo Yeom, and his guard Woon …
    Only this one is more tragic, cause in the end they lose one, to be F3

  66. 66 Noelle

    LOL Looking forward to more Things vs. Things.

  67. 67 Rashell

    “we can trace the root of the problem to Boys Before Flowers.” HA! That line killed me. Oh the power of Lee Min Ho. Why so HOT Min Ho Shi?

    But if I’m picking my favorite F4 as a whole, I have to go with the majority so far with the SSKS quartet. It just had everything, romance, bromance, smart, and hot!

    But if I’m picking just one member of any quartet, I’m taking Lee Min Ho.

  68. 68 crazedlu

    the vamp idols were pretty hilarious. heh.

  69. 69 MsB

    BOF F4 were my first but Sungkyunkwan still wins with the F44 a close second!

  70. 70 IBELIS

    In defense of Chi-san as a playboy, unlike you I assumed that he got kicked out of the eunuch squad before his winky was cut off. His opening scene in full drag is him about to urinate against the wall with the other guys. If his winky was gone wouldn’t he need to squat.

    • 70.1 Mystisith

      Castration of eunuchs was not done by cutting the penis. More often by removing the tests or ligaturing them. (End of my know it all session ^^)

  71. 71 oftheshore

    How do you guys write these? Do you transcribe a conversation? It just has this very natural flow of a real dialogue.:)
    Either way, love the Thing vs. Thing feature! You could do another one on cross-dressing girls (Eun-chan would surely win that one, though!=)) or dramas about career women, maybe?

    • 71.1 oftheshore

      Oh, and SKKS wins for the most awesome sleeping in one room scenes, too.

    • 71.2 nikhapi

      We have the same thoughts! I was also wondering how they put their dialogues here. Who typed their conversation and etc…

  72. 72 Vic

    [quote]“So there’s this strange phenomenon in dramaland, whereby EVERYTHING good comes in groups of four”[/quote]

    oh, girlfriday and her lame excuses to start a discussion ^_^ i mean, there are like 1500 korean dramas, you find 9 or 10 with the four-formula, and then you use the word “everything” ^____^

  73. 73 jyyjc

    Let’s have a band versus band next 😀

    the stupid
    comeback madonna

    • 73.1 Ashley


  74. 74 kirara

    Thanks for the post Javabeans.. i actually wondered about this for a while myself since we got so many different types of F4s in all ages, categories and time periods/eras..

    Its hard to decided on which is my favorite.. all are good well except.. the original F4? I get they are the original but after they came out there so many better F4s out there, SKS F4, Anjell 4, just recently Joseon F4 and now we got the suave and Older F4s or F44…

    There’s got to be some reason or meaning behind it.. its just I think the secret must be kept in the dramaworld or its going to be ruined if found! :)

    • 74.1 trixicopper

      The reason for the love of various F4s? Simple… Bromance! We are all suckers for Bromance! :)

  75. 75 Mystisith

    An idea of thing versus thing: Body-swapping. We have Big and I love Lee Tae-ri these days!

    • 75.1 Marie

      Hahahaha this is a sign I should read through the comments before posting my own. Body swapping! Secret Garden would work for that as well as 49 Days!

      Also… great minds think alike 😉

      • 75.1.1 Mystisith

        My love for SeGa has no boundaries and if i could i would place it in all my comments. But then, I’m afraid people would run away from DB… That’s why i didn’t mention it here. :)

  76. 76 Marie

    Loved this, as I always do this format. Maybe next time you can do supernatural as a theme? Like such-and-such ghost or spirit or body-changing versus another ghost or spirit or body-changing thing. Like Secret Garden, Big, and 49 Days?

    • 76.1 Kat

      I second this suggestion! There are SO many ways to go about this. Kinda broad but workable!

  77. 77 ravin

    someone needs to mix them up and make hilarious new groups of four.

  78. 78 Heather

    Love the post! But I too could never choose…

    • 78.1 Kim Yoonmi

      Register them as brothers and move to Nepal. ^_^ Done! You marry them all!

  79. 79 crazykel

    I couldn’t decide on a winner, but if you put my hand around my back and made me choose:

    *drum roll*

    JOSEON F4!

    SKKS, though not my first 4-some drama, that being YAB, is the one that got me into historical dramas, so…I give it the win, since without it, I wouldn’t have met Yi Gak and the Ducklings or Boong Do.

  80. 80 kumi

    Am I reading this on the FOURth of June?

    • 80.1 risa

      Nice catch.

    • 80.2 delaney

      Heh. I see what you did there. XD

  81. 81 Kat

    What Sun-Joon managed to do above all other leads is that he acknowledged, praised, and even attempted to nurture Yoon-hee’s intellect. Sun-Joon did an amazing job to understand and consider Yoon-hee’s thoughts and opinions.

    I think that wins points for me, whereas the other F4 leaders just grumbled and were dismissive of the female leads most of the time.

  82. 82 Ashley

    Yesterday when I said you guys go above and beyond my expectations in the Mystery Drama Theater 3000 comments , this is what I was talking about. THIS IS PERFECT!!!!!!

    Since Boys Over Flowers was my first k-drama it will always hold a special place in my heart, and You’re Beautiful is my favorite k-drama (so far). In both shows I have horrible cases of second lead syndrome. What can I say, I am a sucker for pretty smiles and great singing voices. Also how Lee Min Ho rocks every look he takes on is such a mystery to me. I am hoping Faith will let him keep the straight hair, and dress him in blue jeans and tee shirts just to mix it up.

    Thank You @Javabeans and @Girlfriday, you guys always know how to make my day.

  83. 83 gia

    coffee prince, they are five

    • 83.1 Carinne

      Minus YEH, then four. Mr Voice doesn’t count since he doesn’t work in the coffee shop.

    • 83.2 Ashley

      So are The Stupid from SUFBB

  84. 84 Carinne

    Ladies/girls quartets will always be compared to the ultra-fine Sex And the City queens.

  85. 85 danny

    can i pick one of each F4 and make my own line up. LOL

    1. Jihoo – BFF
    2. Yeo-rim – SKK
    3. Yoo-Chun- SKK –
    4. hwang-tae kyung – ANJELL

  86. 86 Z

    I will always have a special place in my heart for the original F4. Sure they were ridiculous and obnoxious and their English was bad but there is just something about them. They had (I HATE this phrase but it fits) swagger.

    All those other groups are awesome because there are four of them. With F4, there are four of them because they are awesome… as in “We’re the 4 most awesome things going around here so we might as well hang out together.”

  87. 87 starrynighttt

    LOL LOVE THIS! <3 ^_____^

    4SOMES FTW 😀

  88. 88 Z

    Also, can the next Thing vs. Thing PLEASE be cross-dressers? I was thinking that even before it was mentioned in the article.

    SPOILER ALERT: Go Eun Chan wins… hands down, every category (except probably Noble Idiot… she’s got none of that going on).

    Also, JGS doesn’t qualify. His characters may look and act like cross-dressers but they don’t count.

    • 88.1 crazykel

      LOL. “Also, JGS doesn’t qualify. His characters may look and act like cross-dressers but they don’t count.”

      I feel you here.

  89. 89 otchosais

    this is so AWESOME!!!

    the Lee Min Ho MINUS the CURLS! 😀

  90. 90 almontel

    hmmmm…F4 actually started the quartets…
    i do love the ANJELLs…and in reality: all 4 ANJELLS are still ‘close’ friends till now and always supportive of each other..

  91. 91 kiki

    Just what I needed after a terrible terrible evening. Thanks jb and gf!!

    P.S – Jalgeum Quartet wins in my mind, hands down. Individually, they’re great. Together, they’re awesome!

  92. 92 Sarah

    How about the 4 boys in Moon Sun?????

  93. 93 Alkachan

    Wonderful post !!!
    You really brightened my morning !
    Loved the “moon-stars necklace/moon-stars metaphor mutual cancellation” !

  94. 94 Ilovemandoo

    LOL probably my favorite Thing vs Thing so far. It was hilarious. Thanks for the laughs, ladies!

  95. 95 Shaista

    Oh how I miss Guhroh!! >.<

    • 95.1 Shaista

      And the best foursome is the awesome SKKS F4!

  96. 96 dee

    you were genius… bravo..

  97. 97 purplemay

    Sunkyunkwan Scandal F4 and Joseon F4(Rooftop Prince) ducklings for life!

  98. 98 Zeffir

    “Ж “Why are all the ladygroups trios, then? … THE NUMBERS DON’T MATCH UP. ”

    May be its because some boy4s have a girl? :) So, if you add all of them up, numbers will match eventually XD

  99. 99 pomme

    ‘An epic bromance to end all bromances’ Yes!!!!!!!! SSK F4 forever ♥♥♥♥

  100. 100 tam

    haha always entertaining reading these and following the train of thought! lucky me just finished skks in time to get this entire post 😀

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