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[Alternate Endings] Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Take 2

[I’m sure we’ve ALL rewritten the ending to this drama in our heads. Problem is, there are almost too many things to fix to know where to start. Here are two different options from fellow Beanies to help you decide. –girlfriday]

 
By Lilsweetie

There have been a lot of things said about Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo. Some people love it and others love to hate it. It has been criticized for so many things and, admittedly, for an entirely pre-produced show there is no reason why it couldn’t have been better. I confess, though, that they had me. I saw Moon Lovers for what it wanted to be, even if it failed to live up to its own aspirations. It was a drama that stripped away the fantasy of royalty, reducing it down to its basest, most unappealing reality. Those that want the throne do as they will until they possess it, after which there is no escape from the torment, dangers, and restrictions of the very thing they had once craved.

The production managed to take a king committed to the history books in a very two-dimensional way and make him (if not historically accurate) a vibrant, living, and breathing force with wounds and flaws and needs. I understood the struggle in a kill-or-be-killed world where he believed that the only way to protect the things he cared about was take the throne. And I grieved with him as the reality slowly set in and he realized the error of his calculation. I was willing to play along, putty in the production’s hands… right up until the ending.

I cannot describe the horror (that I am sure I shared with most of you) I felt when after 20 hours of laughter and tears, ups and downs, and general emotional investment, my television screen froze in that final frame in what was supposed to be (?) a happy ending but wasn’t. It wasn’t BAD exactly… but it left me with more questions than answers. Did So find Su again as he had promised he would? What happened to So and Su’s daughter? Did So really accept a life filled with utter loneliness in exchange for the crown? Was all of it for nothing? I was in limbo, still searching for the reward and validation I had sought in an ending, some sort of payoff that would make the journey worth all of the heartbreak I had endured.

When it comes to drama endings, generally expectations can be divided into several categories. Was the viewer searching for emotional or romantic payoff? I confess, I was a bit greedy with this drama. I wanted both. I wanted Su’s years spent in Goryeo to mean something more than simply the rebranding of a king’s image in the eyes of history. Her presence in So’s life meant something to him as a person, not just a political figure. For me there could be no happy ending while So is alone, and since the drama made it clear it couldn’t be in Goryeo, then it had to be in the future. So was a character who went to great lengths to achieve his goals, so it isn’t that far-fetched to believe that his desire for a happy ending would propel him even into the 21st century to achieve it.

There are so many directions this story could have taken, but for simplicity’s sake, let’s stick with the setup they provided us in the final episode with just a few tweaks. I can believe that a mother’s love and concern for her child could motivate her to sever ties with the man she struggled for so long and fought so hard to be with. Su’s experience of the crown justifiably makes her cautious to risk her child’s life by allowing her to be born a royal child. I can also believe that So’s grudge against his brother Jung is strong enough that it would prevent him from reading what he thought were his brother’s letters and thus missing his chance to reconcile with Su.

We see our storylines in Goryeo wrapping themselves up but we know nothing about what has become of Su after her death in this era. Ji Mong comes to say his goodbye to So, taking this opportunity to mention that Su was not from their era. So does not seem surprised at this.

He remembers a conversation he had with Su when she had spoken of what their life would be like if they had met in a different time, that it would have been wonderful because she could have loved him all she wanted. Ji Mong leaves So alone as the eclipse washes over the sky, bathing the world in gloom. As the world is swallowed in darkness, So resolves that if she really is from another time that he will find her again, that in his next life he will not settle for the same loneliness he experienced in this one.

Water was the conduit by which Su passed from her world into theirs, and so it is also the method by which she returns. Su opens her eyes in the lake, still drowning, still in that lake for the length of a decade in Goryeo, but only seconds in the 21st century. She sees a hand reach down into the water and grasp her own, and when she finally emerges through the water’s surface she sees that it is So whose hand she is holding. With a smile, he pulls her into the boat and she stares at him in shock for a moment but he looks at her knowingly, relief evident on his face.

“I found you,” he says, “At last.”

She stares at him in disbelief as she recalls So having told her to prepare herself, for the moment she touched his face she became his and he would never let her go.

Jump forward 10 years to an apartment in Seoul filled with photographs of So and Su’s life together in this century, some of them mirroring those in the past. They are seated around the table with their daughter, finally having the family they should have had in the past. (Because a happy ending for me also has to include that poor, abandoned daughter!) They are helping her with her homework. It’s history. Goryeo in the time of Gwangjong. Together they teach their daughter the impact of their relationship in the past on history, leaving out a few key details.

Su achieved what she set out to do in Goryeo, but not at the expense of their own happy ending. Turns out, Taejo’s final words weren’t true. Life isn’t short and miserable and fleeting when you have people you love to share it with.

 

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If I could rewrite Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo with a different female lead

By @lezah

Endings are always difficult creatures to grasp. Regardless of how well a story was written, the ending could cause it to crash and burn, or remain a treasured memory in our minds forever. The ending of a story plays a significant role in its fate, and for Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo, it was the bitter cherry on top of a steep, slippery slope. At the end, I only had these burning questions: Where did it all start to go so terribly wrong, and why did I continue watching it despite that?

The latter was easier to answer. I chugged on mainly because of my soft spot for So (helped along by the fact that he was played by Lee Jun-ki) and because I’m a sucker for when characters defy the odds to live happily ever after… (or so I thought they would). The former question was a bigger problem.

I think my main issue with the show was that the female lead made my blood pressure rise whenever she did anything. I couldn’t support her decisions nor root for her, and by the last episode I was ready to throw a brick through my screen. My heart went out to So, who had done anything and everything just to be able to be with her, only to be denied his happiness. Su, on the other hand, had doubted him constantly, and her words of support were empty when the time came to stand by them. Su tried to save everyone at the expense of So’s feelings, forgetting that she needed to save him from his insecurities. She unrealistically wanted to be everybody’s friend, and her inability to take a side and stick with it was akin to stamping the death warrants of all the princes.

Let’s rewind back to the moment Su made the decision to leave So, after Chae-ryung was killed. She wrote off Chae-ryung’s betrayal because she was a “girl in love” but turned against So even though he was, well, just a “man in love.” Erm, double standards, Su?

I’m fine with Su not being able to marry So, because it makes a lot more practical sense in that time period, and Gwangjong needed all the power he could garner. I even thought that Su should leave So and the palace for a while, because she was struggling to come to terms with the fact that he had just killed her only friend, never mind that said friend had betrayed her at every turn. Not only that, she was struggling to rediscover her place in the palace, and facing the harsh realities of not being able to legally marry the man she loved—something taken for granted in this modern time period. She needed time to let the hurt go, and in my alternate dramaverse, I think that a bit of time spent apart would not have harmed either of them.

However, in my alternate dramaverse, Su does not marry Jung. For Jung, who truly loved Su, I thought there was nothing crueler than having to live with her as his wife, knowing that Su only saw him as a friend and brother. I’ve never understood why Jung used his own handwriting to write on the envelopes of Su’s letters, despite knowing how much his brother hated him. (No, I did not take the whole “Su has similar handwriting to So” reason well). So should have ended up reading her letters and known that she did indeed love him. He could have tried to spend time with her in her last days in that cottage, and she could have left the world happily.

And sticking to the whole time-travel plotline, I would not even have minded the cliché of her meeting him again in this lifetime. Su looks at the painting of Gwangjong, and when she turns back, she sees the gallery owner, all dressed up in a spiffy suit, with that crooked smile So always had. I like happy endings, and I wanted a happy ending for So, because he deserved it.

But maybe if I could rewrite Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo, I would have changed Su from the beginning to be a bit more scheming, loyal to the man she loved, and less easily influenced by her visions of the future. (Those darned visions!) No doubt that Su was warm and loyal and caring, but at the same time, she felt weak and immature.

So maybe the thing I would fix isn’t the ending, but the beginning.

 
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Actually, I'm good with either of these. Any change from what we were left with would satisfy me.

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Yes, a happy flashbacks in the middle of a sad ending is not the same as a 'happy ending'!

I even understand and accept if the drama had a truly sad ending with no promise that they will meet again in the future...just don't do this half ass thing where you say they will meet again and then don't show them meeting and instead spend the precious last minutes on ISOI PPL and Choi Ji Mong.

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The ending of Moon Lovers really frustrated me:( WTH! I felt like I was cheated out of a good story. Another 1-2 episodes would have explained better and gave us insight on the present time Hae Soo and So.

As much as I love IU (really adored that girl as Cindy in Producers!), I didn't liked her portrayal of Hae Soo in the first 7-8 episodes of Moon Lovers. She was so childish and too sweet that irritated the hell out of me like Baek Hyun. It didn't make sense of why she was acting like a teenage girl because she was a time traveller from the future with a lot more sense of what's going on with the past. But after episode 10, IU got a better grasp of Hae Soo's character when the story started to become dark and gritty. She was able to pull enough punches that made Hae Soo more convincing but a little too late for the viewers became frustrated watching the show.

Another problem, the Wook and Hae Soo love angle. There was way too much time dedicated on that story line. It was not until episode 12 where the story finally halted. It should have ended way before to focus more on the main OTP's story which I thought suffered from rush editing IMO due to low domestic ratings.

I still love Moon Lovers despite everything. It was under appreciated during its local broadcast but garnered so much international support. The show suffered so much from poor directing (PDnim, what's with the close ups! are you shooting a neutrogena commercial!!), scattered story line, and poor editing.

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Hi, I think I can agree in a couple of points, and one of them is the editing, the "continuity" thing. In spite of the general care for the image, some scenes show plain carelessness. First: I may have seen wrong but after HS's fight with Baek H, WS goes down the stone flight of stairs and I'm sure I got a glimpse of... a power line! That can be easily fixed in post production. Again, I may be wrong. Second: the most beloved scene of HS being hauled on his horse has many flaws. For me the reason for him to haul her on his horse was to prevent her from falling into the river. Well, there a one second take that shows him bending and stretching his right arm to catch her BEFORE the peasant hit her... Then the peasant hit her, and then he appears trying to rescue her. The first scene should have been deleted. Third: he hauls her in the market, then trot for what, half a mile? and then I think they reappear at the same market. Fourth: at a certain moment she is said to be 16, but somewhere later she is ...25. Fifth: When WS kisses her and takes her on her horse to the beach shore WW and WJ talk about the gatekeepers confirming their eloping. Later she asks who else knows she left the palace and WW replies that only the four of them. That is utterly inconsistent... I cannot believe nobody noticed that... Anyway I love the drama and the sad ending left me with pain and hope, hopless hope I should say.

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@Lilsweetie @lezah Thank you for your write-ups!!
I can't believe it-- but at the same time, I sort of can, considering the hate that this Show had here on Dramabeans-- that there would actually be submissions for this months "Theme Of the Month" for this drama XD LOL I could live with any of these 2 endings, with a few tweaks of my own, just because I watched and liked (but got real tired, real fast) of the original Chinese version, and loved the Korean version (despite the ending being underwhelming) and I know how the story goes, I know what it was like historically (more so the Chinese history than the Korean history, because I'm Chinese), but it is also because I went into both dramas--- that flat-out pegged themselves as having time travel as plot device and was taking creative liscence-- knowing and expecting changes to happen here and there in history XD If only I could have flip-flopped the endings of the 2 versions-- since I was more emotionally invested in the Korean version than I was in the Chinese version-- then I think, for myself at least, everything would be made perfect =)

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I was here in the comments during Moon Lovers recaps and I don't think the drama got hate from everyone who commented. It got a lot of frustration and love, and a lot of frustrated love lol.

But really, a drama where people were so obsessed with it from the start and SO FREAKING FRUSTRATED by the ending, it's very expected that Moon Lover beanies would change that ending lol.

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Not hate from 'everyone', but there was still a lot of hate T.T

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Signed!!! 😊

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Personaly, I just loved Wang Wook and Hae Soo as couple. After I couldn't invest myself in the second love story.

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They had amazing chemistry, I wanted to stop breathing every time he went near her in the first 4-5 eps. It was really sexy (even though it feels weird to say 'sexy' about anything with IU)

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He was my favourite character, I think he was the more human with his strength and weaknesses. I love how he loved his wife even if it was not true love. And the fact the both character, Wook and Soo, were linked to his wife/her sister was sad and nice in the same time. Her death was so sad.

In the BTS, they were really cute to see.

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Didn't KHN and IU have a dating rumour? I heard they denied and anyway now he's in the military but they looked good together.

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To be honest, I did not like Wang So in the beginning since he was the the clichéd type of angry and hurt male lead. On the other hand, I really liked Wang Wook's character because he was one of the few kind male leads, despite being the second lead. And I just did not like how the writer made him a selfish jerk and end things with Su. It was expected that he does not end up with the girl but his later characterization did not feel natural to me.

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I actually liked that about him, he was nice and kind but also afraid to take action and slightly selfish.

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He was always a selfish jerk though. You forget this is the guy that told his wife that he was in love with her cousin.

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Exactly. I don't know if I would call him 'selfish jerk' but when it was important he kept failing to act, if he had just gone to Taejo to ask to marry Soo after his wife died then there wouldn't be all this issue with Soo having to marry Taejo and entering the palace.

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Yup. Why did we board this ship??? Hahaha.

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"I would have changed Su from the beginning to be more scheming, loyal to the man she loved, and less easily influenced by her visions of the future"

...Basically more like Ruoxi from the original cdrama then? (Why no, I'm not still bitter they messed up the k-adaptation to one of my favorite cdramas...)

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Personally, I was intruigued by how different Hae-su and Ruoxi are. Ruoxi adapted fairly well to the past, and seemed to have eidetic memory of history. With that come fear of changing the future, and fear of getting closer to people because she knew their story and endings. While Ruoxi could be immature and childish, she grew quickly and her fears made her into a bystander, in my opinion.

Hae-su, on the other hand, is the opposite. She is first off younger, and unlike Ruoxi is not a walking history book; it is a point that she barely gets by with high-school knowledge of history, and that was only because her teacher was strict on it. She also knew some basic things, like who the more influential king would be after Taejo, but she did not remember which of the brothers that would be. To compensate her lack of eidetic memory, she has visions of the future (or... not vision, I guess).

The two heroines are different, and I wish they had played on that more. And most of all, I wish the show remembered that Hae-soo is the female lead in the show, and that she is from the future. Halfway, it felt like they forgot about her origins, so she just observed with widened eyes as the men did their thing. Since we know how it goes when someone has all the historical knowledge of the past (Ruoxi), I wish they had played up more on Hae-su's journey of remembering who would be kind, and how to survive when she knew only basic knowledge of Goryeo. (At least I know that I barely remember ANYTHING of the Viking Age history that my school taught me, but then again, we know NOTHING about the Viking Age compared to Goryeo)

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A lot of people know history quite well, even though all they'd learnt were the basics from school..which is why it never was unrealistic for me to watch Ruoxi know so much..
yet, I initially enjoyed Hae-su's role because she was someone who knew some things but did not have the perfect memory of history as Ruoxi had..
The crux of the original was that Ruoxi's knowledge of the future and her subsequent actions ultimately led her to set that very tragic future in motion..
Like you, I wished that they showed more of Hae soo surviving the palace because the story was meant about her.. Her developing relationships with the people at that time, her trying to incorporate her modern values or her utter fear in that world at times,.. Instead, we were treated with a healthy dose of very modern 'ancient' times with modern make-up (didn't they have their own version of make-up?), modern birthdays, .. and very odd relationships development..
oh well this is the one drama i will always keep shaking my head at.. :D
but theme of the month: there was someone in the comments who wrote that it would have been more interesting if the heroine was reincarnated in the Kings' sister and (WS) wife.. That would have been delightful, especially since the struggle was never going to be as complex as the chinese version..
Imagine the heroine's aversion to such a relationship, her bonding with the princes, her 'betraying' her own full blood brother, ...

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"The crux of the original was that Ruoxi's knowledge of the future and her subsequent actions ultimately led her to set that very tragic future in motion.."

This exactly! This is what really made me enjoy the Chinese drama even though tragedies are not my cup of tea. Understanding how her train of thought influenced her decisions, but still led to the history we know today was painful but felt really true to roomies character, and what she eventually became after the many years she lived in the qing dynasty and the trials she endured. Of course, me knowing the history of that dynasty helped me enjoy it all the more. Sadly, season 2 was such a hot mess that I pretend it never existed...

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Lol "ruoxi", not "roomies" 😂

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I didn't mean I disliked Ruoxi's history knowledge, I just said it that way to show how different the two protagonists are, and how that affected the story. Ruoxi's knowledge in history worked well with her observations and thoughts, and that knowledge as well as her feelings doomed said history to repeat. Meanwhile, Hae-su knew very little history, and the way they explain away the "YOU made all this happen!" was that her slip of the tongue during a magical vision (which I felt was a bad plot device/deus-ex-machina since it was used once or twice within a couple of episodes and then never again) and her make-up for a ceremony.

I agree that the settings were already so different they should have found other ways to do the story. The core of the story is "modern girl sent back in time, falls in love with a king, her knowing the future messes things up, the kingship ruins their relationship and she leaves so she can love him from afar/stop hating him, dies thinking he hated her and he lives in regret, history unchanged (or was it?)". Bu Bu Jing Xin had over 35 episodes to tell a complicated story where she loved another first, and various other side stories. If Scarlet Heart only had 20 episodes, they should have cut a lot of plot points and kept it more basic, and remember that Ruoxi's charm was her thoughts, observtions and knowledge. I liked Scarlet Heart the first episodes, but over time Hae-su stopped her voice-over thinking, we didn't really see her observe, more time went to the brothers, and I just lost interest. It came to a point where I forgot she 1) was the protagonist/female lead and 2) came from the future. It could be interesting if we could see more of her jaded and calm self, but still with inner thoughts like "It's been 10 years and I can never get over the lack of proper toilets" or "Could I be executed for calling the queen an insult that hasn't been invented yet?" (Or maybe I've watched too much "The Handmaid's Tale")

I feel that part of the core of the original story is that the OTP ends painfully, thinking they hate each other, and protagonist wakes up thinking she was inconsequental and left no mark (honestly, I wish Hae-su's wake-up call was when she somehow heard that it is long suspected that the king had an illegitimate daughter named Seol who he sent to his brother for protection; we would flashback to her naming the child) So if her being So's wife would make them happy, that would not work.

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I SO LOVED THIS!! Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo really had a tormenting and hunting bitter ending that made all the suffering I/we went through not only unrewarded but punished so I'm really thankful and greatful for these alternative endings!!

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Brava, Lilsweetie! I love your ending. It gives me the future resolution I felt so cheated of. It is elegant. And I like how you worked in Choi Ji-mong's time traveling, too. The karmic relationship across lifetimes works just fine. Thank you for including their daughter, too. (Shades of GO BACK COUPLE.)

Brava, @lezah, for prescribing Su the personality transplant she so badly needed. She needs a brain transplant, too. At times I thought she was simply too stupid to live.

And thank you for sparing Jung the ultimate heartbreak of marrying Su, who is so blind to his love -- and then having to raise her and his brother's daughter alone. Jung really deserves better than that.

It suddenly hit me that the whole mistaken handwriting thing may even have been a tip of the hat to Lee Joon-gi's role as Gong-gil in THE KING AND THE CLOWN. His partner, Jang-sang, learned to write by copying his characters. Enemies at court forged Gong-gil's handwriting to frame him, and Jang-sang took the fall for him. I'll admit that MOON LOVERS put a nice, if frustrating, twist on that.

Back to MOON LOVERS. I found Su's attitudes and behavior as the show progressed to be frustrating as hell myself. Her blindness to Chae-ryung's duplicity was indeed infuriating. Frankly, she was too much of a wuss to live in Goryeo, although she managed to survive -- but caused a huge amount of collateral damage in the process. The dignified and noble Court Lady Oh took the fall for her, dammit.

Watching So jump through hoops to protect Su made me nuts. Too bad he had to fall for a pretty but empty-headed time traveler who abandoned him. Grrr. Yeah, I'm still pissed off about that.

A final thought about the Taejo Method of Cultivating Successors. Jang Hyuk, who played Wang So in SHINE OR GO CRAZY, is re-encountering the same deal in MONEY FLOWER. And so it continues in Kdramaland.

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Yes, I've only thought of it from So's side, but when you think of Jung, he too was saved from heart break by Lilsweetie.
It was the doing of muttonchops,his fate I mean😅.

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And Jang Hyuk played Wang So in Shine or Go Crazy, so he's familiar with that kind of deal. ;)

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Oops, ignore my comment @pakalanapikake. I reacted to your post without reading the final sentence lol. Too much Jang Hyuk love.

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Not a problem, WishfulT! We have to fangirl for JH whenever the opportunity presents itself. ;-)

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No one was allowed to have handwriting the same as the king.

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Great! Thanks for the reminder. It's been a while. That Jung, saving her bacon until the very end. ;-)

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Beautiful! You two collectively have amazingly written down what I too had in my mind, which I won't be able to do as I'm anything-but-laconic. It'd be a novella if it was me,haha.
Yes, I too loved not the actual drama,but it's buried,unseen potential. It had moments of brilliance,but scattered in such a crazy way that the viewer had to jump into the hodgepodge and search for all the clues. And not all the viewers had time,as many watch dramas to have some mental peace at the end of a tiresome day. So of course we became frustrated when they were all "you do your own research" as if it wasn't THEIR job to begin with.
This is why I was forever grateful to all the intellectual beanies of MLSHR threads, who helped us to enjoy the drama waaaay more than it deserved.
Sigh,if not for the collective mess left by almost all the departments (clothing,music,directing,casting,editing...), how epic it could've been.

I love that you both didn't bombarded Su (whose character totally deserved it), accepted the otp as it was,and tried to just repair the rough edges.
Yes,Su HAD to leave,given the circumstances. Her reasons're totally excusable. It's only she should've explain things to poor So and leave with his acceptance. The main problem with these two was utter lack of communication.
And unlike some others, I was greatly relieved that there was no miscarriage in the k-version. No matter how great the c-drama overall was, I generally hate miscarriage as a device to move the plot. @Lilsweetie, thanks.
Su HAD to die too, given her long-time health issues. I was ok with that too, but I needed it to be a happy send over with So at her side. Thanks,@ lezah.
Then IF there had to be a rebirth,I too needed both of them to have the world that they could "love each other fully without any restrictions" and of course reunite again with the adorable baby Seol-ie. Thanks so much once again,you too. Now on, I'm gonna pretend that this is the actual ending.

P.S.- Among the very few of the ost gems this drama had, there is Davichi's Forgetting You, and if you have time and haven't heard/read the lyrics before, try it now. It's a pleasant ballad to listen, and the lyrics perfectly describe the dilemma they had. It has the words they said in the final before-piggyback-conversation and was also played in that background.

Sorry for the long post. With love, here's best wishes for successful writing in the many years to come.
Fighting,you two!💐

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I agree! the story narrative was terrible but the Moon Lovers OST was such a gem of perfection. The song "My Love" by Lee Hi was my favorite and probably played that song 1000 times for over a year now while reminiscing the gorgeous shirtless back of Wang So. No wonder Hae Soo was so determined to flicker that candle:) Lee Hi's vocals were so powerful and haunting on that track.

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Oh my god you!!!😬☺😂

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Love both of these alternate endings. For me it all started to go sour when Su didn't tell So she was hiding Eun and his wife in the Damiwon, even after So said he planned to help Eun escape. It undermined her love for him, for her to be so fearful even after so many years, and from that point on my trust in the drama's storytelling began to erode. Even a tragic ending would have been okay if it wasn't the result of some questionable choices.

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Hi Lilsweetie, someone else who loved Scarlet Heart for what it was. I always thought the reason why Soo's character never becomes what most audience members wanted was because her changing would not be true to her character. I loved her from start to finish and her character growth was as heartbreaking as it was riveting. It both hurt and pleased me to watch her go from carefree young girl to world-weary woman. I thought there was a lot of parallel between her character and the other female characters in the show who also fatally loved princes. I also thought her character was a nice contrast to Kang Hana's character. In fact, I think save Wang So, I watched Scarlet Heart mostly for the women.

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https://ktoonsbyfox.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/how-scarlet-heart-ryeo-should-have-ended/ is a link to my blog and my Scarlet Heart Ryeo ending. I submitted my alternate endings to Drama Beans but they are cartoons and I don't know if I submitted them correctly or if they'd work on this site.

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I rarely watch the drama, so I wouldn't know much about it. But I did watch the Chinese drama and loved the sad ending.

The difference that I'm feeling here is that in this version, the viewers sympathize with the male lead while the viewers of the other one sympathize with the heroine.

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I did not necessarily mind a unhappy ending, but my problem was that it didn't feel, I don't know, deserved/emotional? What makes tragedy is that it could have been avoided but it also makes sense that it wasn't, and that the characters try so hard to avoid tragedy but fails. The problem is that I felt Su, like so many female leads in Kdramas, are introduced as main characters, then the male lead comes and the show becomes all about them even if the female lead still have something important about them that is suddenly forgotten (See: "While You Were Sleeping", where the female lead being the Patient Zero of premonition is forgotten and the last episodes are about the male lead saving her and his feelings of the past while she cries in her sleep).

Where Ruoxi, the heroine of the Chinese version, was a walking history book and thus was so afraid changing history she hid in the background, Hae-soo knew only basic outlines of Goryeo history (which I like because that is more relatable to me personally), and though she knew the names of the coming kings, she did not remember which brother is which king. And I wish that was a bigger point that wasn't simply resolved through a vision.

Make her think Wook will be king so she gives him hints and such that makes him think she too is pressuring him into contenting for the throne. She still has a comraderie and friendship with So, which is unlike her childish infatuation with Wook. Then she realizes that Soo is Gwangjong through her own memories, and she realizes that Wook's scheming will get him a punishment worse than death. So she tries to stop Wook's growing ambition for the throne while trying to soften So to that he will have mercy on Wook. This, in turn, makes Wook misunderstand everything, and Hae-su realizes that the friendship she has had with So all this time turned into love so naturally she didn't realize. Realizing how her childishness messed up the brotherhood, she breaks up with Wook but warns him to not get in So's way, and thus over time accepts So's courting.

I also just wish more was EXPLAINED in the drama. Tell us why the only way for Hae-su to leave was to hurt So. Make their time together be years, not mere weeks. That was why Ruoxi's falling out with the Emperor was so crushing; they had waited years to be together, and then tried years to stay together; Su barely tried. Show us how Su loves Wang So, but is scared of Gwangjeon, and how much they try to protect each other and stay together, but ultimately the throne, which they thought would help them get together, split them apart emotionally.

Honestly, I think that is what would save Su a lot, besides remembering her importance: Have her TRY, SHOW us how hard she tries to help, how she grows jaded and cautious, show us how she actually stays in the palace with So at least a year or two, but she cannot find the man she loves in Gwangjeon anymore. Show us why she feels she needs to leave the palace to protect...

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(cont.) ...to protect her baby (have the rival threaten her, or have her be pregnant but suffer a miscarraige because of the rival, which ironically makes the rival into the very queen she loathes). Show us HAE-SU's actions and thoughts, remind us that she is from the future and how that affects her actions. If there is one thing I have grown kind of tired of in Kdramaland, is that it feels like a lot of dramas where there is supposed to be a female and male lead, both equally important, or where the female is presented as more important at the start, end up becoming supporting characters for the men until the very end where they get to do or say some deep(tm) stuff about the moral of the story.

Just... show us more, I guess. And if you don't have time to make things complicated, then simplify it. If details from Goryeo doesn't suit for adapting the original version's ending, then change the story somewhat to make it work better, without taking away the core of the story. As people have said, for being pre-production the end result was surprisingly messy.

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Thanks, @Pensola! You've brought up many excellent constructive points, especially with regard to showing Su trying to make it work with So over a longer period of time. So much time was spent on the non-dalliance with Wook that Su's time with So got short shrift.

I agree with you that all too often, Kdrama heroines start out strong, then fade into wimpy insignificance, sometimes seemingly lobotomized by indifferent plotting and characterization. It's really frustrating.

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Sigh. I am too devoted to the Chinese drama, where the ending was bitterly perfect. The thing that made me sit up in the Kversion was the little daughter, but then she was simply dropped from the plot. Didn't Hae Soo even recall that she had a kid and left her in the past?

By the end Scarlet Heart had frustrated me so much that I almost felt it deserved that ending. I was 'ok' with Wang So living alone in exchange for the throne, because it made sense with his character. But Hae Soo becoming a make-up guru had me ARRRRGHHH. So thanks for the alternative endings beanies!

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it was my most loved and most hated drama at the time... I loved So so much it actually hurt to see him alone in that drawing. I definitely felt cheated when he didn't appear in the modern day ending. I was ready to throw my computer out the window...

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One of the commenters to the recaps had the best rewrite idea ever for this drama. The Su character should have been a scheming chaebol daughter appearing in the body of the princess.... I think THAT story could have been a worthy adaptation.

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Oh i remember the madness that this show inspired... Loved it or hated it, but everybody had an opinion about it... Strong strong opinion

I think even with all the production flaws, the first 11 episodes hooked me completely... Till the iconic rain scene...
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But after that, when she still continued to pine after wook, the story lost its grip... We basically spent so much time on a non romance that we didn't get time to flesh out the main romance (from her side) and the political stuff got shafted...

We would have a time jump after every 2 episodes with all the character development happening off screen

If i could i would scrub out the stuff after episode 11 and make the rise of the cruel king more impactful and the romance more epic than the tepid stuff we got

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If I can, I would have put a like on this post.

For this drama, I would have been happy even if it ends at the boat scene like in Lilsweetie's ending. Future So does not need to say anything, just the idea that they meet again in the future is enough. This much is enough to make me happy, unlike the darned original ending that made me pause for 3 seconds before yelling, "What?! What?! That's it? Just that?!"

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This drama drove me nuts. This was one of two dramas (other being reply 1988) that I watched live. It got me so emotionally invested in the story. I wanted a happy ending for our So-Soo lovers and watching it live somehow added to that urgency of knowing what happens next. Combine in the fact that this was also the only drama that had multiple versions floating around, and my anxiety levels were officially sky high. All in all it was a very emotional affair.

But I held on hoping for emotional payoff when we get our HEA. I remember anxiously watching the timer when the finale episode was airing, freaking out more and more when only a few minutes of drama time was left and we had still not gotten anywhere with our couple. And then to have it end just like that. On that bleak and utterly desolate state? It broke my heart and put me off dramas for a while.

I watch sad dramas as catharsis to let off some pent up emotions inside. Instead, all I was left chocking on my feelings at the end of Scarlet Heart.

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I can't believe I actually finished this series, I guess being a fan of the original series helped.

I kinda wish IU wasn't the female lead, her acting wasn't that great. Lee Joon Ki was surrounded with mostly inexperienced actors and he kind of had to be the leader. Not to mention the messy ending... Soo should've just died in the past, or she meets So in the modern time period.

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imma take either of these but with preference to the second because I agree with everything su wrong with Su.

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Goodness, some how I know that this month theme would make tons of beanie submit their own version of Moon Lovers alternate ending.
After going through lots of chatting in our own hangout group, I have learned to love the flaws of Moon Lovers.
Yes, I still want that 5 minutes reunion between Ha Jin and Future So.
Just a few comments :
"Let’s rewind back to the moment Su made the decision to leave So, after Chae-ryung was killed. She wrote off Chae-ryung’s betrayal because she was a “girl in love” but turned against So even though he was, well, just a “man in love.” Erm, double standards, Su?" >> well, I don't see this as a double standart Su. Su need a reason to leave the palace and it seem this is the only reason she can find to leave So, I bet she knew (or suspect) that she is pregnant at that very moment. Look how bad is palace household in raising prince and princess, who wouldn't want to leave the palace in order to stay pregnant and keep the baby alive?

"I’ve never understood why Jung used his own handwriting to write on the envelopes of Su’s letters, despite knowing how much his brother hated him." >> me too, they never actually told us what happen if your hand writing is similar to the king. Just like the C-version, I still can't understand this part, although some believe that copying the King handwriting could be counted as treason or forgery and it can cause you a death sentence :p

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Unpopular OPINION: The ending was fine and everything was exactly what it should have been. While the first ending by lilsweetie wraps everything up in a neat package, call me a mess, but I prefer some narrative meat for the two protagonist to meet again. First, the idea of elliptical fate is hinted at in Moonlovers - drawing the parallels between So/Soo and Lady Oh/King Taejo, which means that the two SHOULD NOT meet easily in modern times, and will probably have to go through some heartache in order to get there. Anyways, that's why there should be a season two. Completely disagree with the second ending by @lezah here. Among many reasons, @lezah's read of Hae Soo motivations are partial more to Wang So's feelings. I've always felt that Hae Soo always did exactly what she had to do to "protect what she wants" and in the end it was true that her sacrifice protected both her child and Wang So. The fact that Wang So was too angry, too proud, and too bedded down with "mother problems" is the tragedy of it all. It's a tragic flaw for a reason, not because it can be overcome by a few plot manipulations. To me, a few changes in action on Hae Soo's part might have made Wang So "feel" better, but overall, she would have been twisted into the machinations of the palace and destroyed. Wang So thought that by becoming King that he would be able to protect what he wanted, but instead, made his love more vulnerable to palace politiking. She became a pawn and therefore a source of weakness to him. Any actions that Hae Soo could have taken (as a powerless woman without a clan), other than casting herself out, would have only resulted in harm to Wang So or her child. She did good.

In conclusion: I think the show did what it set out to do. A romantic tragedy in the tradition of Macbeth or Hamlet, when protagonist make hard choices that make it even harder to live.

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I guess most people's problem with the story was that the ideas and priorities were all over the place. I agree that I like the sad ending with no happy pay-off, but at the same time I did not feel like we watched it be "deserved", if that makes sense. As you say, the tragedy is that So was so hung up on mother issues and rage that he did not see how much Su suffered, and Su's realization that she inevitably caused all the pain and suffering of the people she loved. However, I don't feel like we got to see enough of it. I wanted to watch them be happy for a little while after he gained the throne, but then watch it slowly fall apart. Yet the couple fights to stay together, fights to love each other despite hating the other's actions ("forgive the person, not the action"), and watch Hae Su's thought process and reasoning for doing what she did. It just felt like a lot of the time, Hae Su's thoughts and feelings, as well as her being from the future, was forgotten, and though we can come to various conclusions as to why she did it, I think actually showing us would be much more rewarding, and even more heartbreaking because we had seen how much they struggled to be together.

That was what I loved with Seven-Days Queen, for example. Chae-Kyung loves Yeok, but she knew he was lying to her and used her, etc.. Yet she forgave him and loved him, and was honest when she could no longer trust him completely. And every time there was another misunderstanding, or another reveal, we were afraid that the line had been crossed. Because we had seen their struggle to be together and love, so we could understand if they had reaching a breaking point, yet it would be so sad to watch because we had also rooted for them to win once more.

I guess that was what I missed most from Scarlet Heart; more of them being in the palace. Not just two episodes, in which most of it is dedicated to other people scheming, but at least four or even five. Otherwise it felt like Su just gave up within a few weeks.

So I agree with your conclusion of what the show did and wanted to do. I just think they did it poorly. :P

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I completely agree with you. I'm surprised that more people did not make the connection between the two women loving Kings. Even after Lady Oh told Soo not to fall in love with a future King. It broke my heart so much watching her make the choices that she made, but I completely understood her reasoning for everything. Frankly, I completely understood the reasoning behind every single woman who died to protect her man in Scarlet Heart. It was heartbreaking and I cried more tears than I would like to admit, but everything felt very organic to the character. The only issue I had with Scarlet Heart was the editing, other than that I thought it was a pretty good show.

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Unfortunately in my POV you’re giving Soo more credit than she was worth. Yes, she did what she had to do to protect her child, and I do agree that she should have left the palace, as per what I wrote. And yes, maybe she thought the only way to leave the palace was to blame him for killing Chae-Ryung, so that she could have a reason for leaving. I also do not think that So was blameless.

However, as you said, she protected what she wanted, and whatever she did was at the expense of others, in a narrow minded and selfish way. She protected her child but did it at the expense of letting So believe he had done wrong by killing a traitor. She did it at the expense of letting So think she didn’t love him anymore. She protected her child at the expense of Jung becoming more estranged from his brother. Sure, she protected what she wanted, but I doubt that she thought about it as deeply as you’ve written. Her actions never showed that.

I think from the moment she refused to believe So and didn’t tell him about Eun, I cut all goodwill with her. She only saw and trusted what she believed in.

And given that it’s a time travel show, I’m unsatisifed with the ending because if it were to end as a mere romantic tragedy, Soo could have been just about another passerby in that time. There was no point to time traveling then.

Again, unpopular opinion, but I don’t see a need for Season 2. It ended with her going back to the future, and Gwangjong leading his solitary life as king. End of romantic tragedy, I feel. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Although the original ending was bad but it was better than these alternate endings.

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the ending is fine but a part 2 is most definitely needed. it could begin with some much needed loose ends from part 1. it could have had a few more episodes but maybe they can be put in part 2. i will have to watch it again to make sensible suggestions.

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This drama and my almost crazy obsession for the otp drove me to tears with the ending urghh. Tried filling the gap with many well written fan fics, but I hold my stance. I need a sequel to this drama where it takes place in the future, with the exact same cast, and hopefully no chabeol war storylines.

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Ok, someone actually started a petition for this on Change, I did not know that. That is amazing!

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The terrible ending wont change the fact that this drama is the best of the best for me( thanx to LJG, excuse my love of the first sight) but if only Soo died in So's arms instead of Jung, then it will be very much ok for me.
And I'm not interested in second season, not interested to see IU again.

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The first re-write sounds perfect too. I am going to remember this drama ending that way.

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The perspective of both of the beanies are unique yet satisfying :-)
Probably everyone has So & Su reunited in 2016 in their heads, but I did think of an ending similar to @lezah 's version, I too imagined Su to run into the art gallery owner who would be So, a second gen chaebol (obviously :-P ).

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I would have appreciated any ending that would have helped me understand what the point of this whole thing was. This really was 20 hours of sound and fury signifying nothing.

I binge watched this so a lot of the issues of patchy story telling and confusing time jumps weren’t as bad. I also found Soo’s decisions in the back half more coherent than a lot of people did because I’d only just seen the earlier episodes. She made it clear she hated the Throne, the brutality of the palace and men who had multiple wives. She decided to make the best of So’s decision because she loved him and because she could see no other better contender for the throne. But he took the throne and moved her into the palace and married other women even knowing they were all things she specifically loathed. By the time he was sleeping with his sister and murdering servants, I can understand perfectly why she decided she needed to get out as fast as possible. Especially when she was stuck in the palace with literally nothing to do but wait for him to visit her. Chae Ryung’s death was just the last straw.

My main problem with the series is that there was very little point to it overall. I couldn’t work out what the show had to say. The homeless man’s statement at the beginning made it seem like the moral of the story was “life sucks wherever you are so you may as well try to find happiness where you can”. Which would be fine if she found happiness in the midst of all the brutality. But she kind of didn’t. She had a short, brutal life in both timelines and, well, at least in our timeline she had a washing machine.
Since the show returned her to the modern world after her “death”, I thought there had to be some change in her that would provide a reason for her travels through time. But as far as I can see, it was completely random and almost pointless. She returned to the present the same person she was before.

The drama implied (but for some bizarre reason did not show) them reuniting in the future. If there was a scene of them happily living together in a future free of the brutality and politics of the Goryeo era then I could say the point was that she was rewarded ultimately for her steadfastness and endurance. As she repeatedly said, she was determined not to change even if everybody changed around her.
But since they didn’t do that then I’ll stay confused.

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oh wow my heart skip a beat when i read the title, i thought someone finally going to do something about the ending of this drama.
To be honest i have love - hate relationship with this drama, i am too engrossed with the storyline that i skip several episode because my heart cannot take the strain T_T
i am very devastated on how this story ends and reading every fanfiction out there... oh how i wish the producer would give us 1-2 episodes to finalize their ending or better yet to make happy ending in 21st century

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I hope Moon Lovers:Scarlet Heart Ryeo season 2 will coming soon...I still keep questioning until now,what happened this ever after?Is it a last ending forever?As we know and no doubt anymore,this drama is a real history,its facts...I hope to avoid a tragic last ending...But I can't avoided until now,I will waiting although take a long time...I have looking a trailer of this drama for season 2 and it make me excited...Anyway,hwaiting!Aja-aja!!Fighting!!!So-Soo couples...May be why many people didn't watch this drama because its aired in a channel that anyone not watched in this channel because its so hard to get this channel...As like me,I only can watch this in online,in this year although this drama aired in year 2016,now 2018,so sad...I think,Moon Lovers:Scarlet Heart Ryeo must aired again,may be more people can watch this drama rating getting up,I wish...I hope don't angry and banned me because my opinion...I am sincere...

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