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The Time I’ve Loved You: Episode 4

It just takes one conversation about Won and Hana’s true feelings to throw everything into flux, making us wonder whether our two besties remain so because they’re both equally afraid of what lies beyond. Life around them may change and so may the people they’re with, but all those things can be made bearable when you’ve got that one dependable constant on your side, always waiting with fresh alcohol in one hand to drown your sorrows and a tissue in the other to wipe away your drool and/or jjajangmyeon sauce. You’d have to be crazy to give that sort of relationship up… right?

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EPISODE 4 RECAP

As Hana looks up at Won, she thinks, “That’s right, it’s okay. Whenever I face suffering in life, I have a precious friend who is always there for me.”

That precious friend buys her favorite snacks and beer before joining her in her room, after Hana’s washed away her streaked makeup and dried off. “When I was twenty-four years old,” she muses, “I thought a thirty-four-year-old woman was not a woman.”

Now that she’s that woman, she wonders why she once thought that she’d experience emotions like happiness and sadness differently, only to find out that it’s the same no matter the age.

Won just shakes his head. Sung-jae could’ve hit the jackpot with Hana, but he messed it all up. When Hana doesn’t believe him, Won defends what he said: “You’re capable, pretty, kind, smart, and cute. He’ll never meet someone like you again.”

She’s too keen on celebrating her pity party to take his compliments seriously, and just sniffs like a lost puppy when Won sits next to her and puts his hand to her forehead. If she gets sick from being caught out in the rain, he warns, then she’ll really be a hopeless ajumma.

Hana just sighs that she already got dumped by a kid she fell for, so she really would be overreacting if she were to get sick on top of all that. She can’t tell if she’s more frustrated with Sung-jae or herself, but it’s just too sad for her to bear.

A tear rolls down her cheek, and Won tsks at her as he wipes it away with his thumb. He’s let her wallow in self-pity long enough, now it’s time for a bit of friendly tough love, and high time for her to act her age and stop cosplaying as a tragic heroine.

Taking a dig at her age works at getting Hana up and going, if only so that she can get in some quips about his advanced years too. The two decide to stay up all night drinking, and the ensuing quick cuts run the gamut from being emotionally stirring to downright hilarious.

It’s a night of drinking everyone will have sometime in their life, when you go from laughing one minute to crying the next. At one point in the night Hana starts sobbing and walking toward the window, crying that she has to go to the beach. Won stops her, but can’t keep from laughing. I love them. Love, love, love.

They find themselves in bed the next morning, with Hana sleeping on Won’s arm. Won wakes up first and stares at Hana’s sleeping face before he traces the line of her brow with a smile.

But when she stirs, he immediately pretends to be asleep. He acts like he’s juuust waking up when Hana does, and tells her to get off his arm. Hah.

Hana’s sort of out of it the whole ride home, acting awkward with Won ever since she woke up next to him. Won has to practically remind her how to walk lest she just forget and fall flat on her face. Her change in demeanor doesn’t go unnoticed by little bro Dae-bok when she returns home.

Her paranoia is only further compounded when she remembers a conversation she had with Won the night before while they lied on the bed. They’d discussed what they thought about love with her head resting on his stomach, only to find out that their opinions differed: Hana believes love is about compromise and sacrifice, but Won believes it’s about loving the other person just the way they are.

“The only person who likes me for who I am is you, but you don’t see me as a woman,” Hana confessed. “You’re the one who doesn’t see me as a man,” Won had countered.

Curious then, Hana had peered up at him and asked, “Have you ever thought of me as a woman?” Won looked down at her then, his expression almost pained, but either she doesn’t remember what he said or we don’t get to hear it. She’s mortified that the conversation ever took place.

Mi-hyang has an inexplicable dream about a pig, and wonders if it’s a sign that money could be headed her way. But she ends up resuscitating an old woman who passes out in the bathroom instead. I’m sure they’re trying to sell me something here, I just don’t know what it is.

After freaking out her mom by uncharacteristically cleaning her room, Hana goes out for a sponsored bike ride and ends up crashing when her thoughts drift to waking up in bed next to Won. She goes home with a cast over her wrist.

Won can’t stop thinking about that morning either, and is so distracted that he fails to notice he’s smeared cappuccino foam all over his mouth. It gives his coworkers a chance to mention the infamous cappuccino kiss from Secret Garden, which Ha Ji-won was on the receiving end of.

So-eun calls him out on leaving suddenly the night before, and Won explains that he had to go because Hana needed him. Naturally, she asks if he’d drop everything and go to her if she were to call him in the middle of the night like that.

Won takes a moment before he explains that Hana is like family to him. “So you’re saying that Hana Unni is a friend who’s like family, and I’m your girlfriend, right?” When Won doesn’t respond, she adds onto the manipulation by saying she’ll think positively, since that’s a trait he likes about her. Grah, she’s annoying.

Hana’s parents wonder about their daughter’s odd behavior until Dae-bok sits them down for some earth-shattering news: Won and Hana spent the night together. He claims the business trip was a lie, and that he saw the two this morning looking like newlyweds after their first night together.

Mom and Dad’s reactions are subdued and a little disbelieving, but since they’re for their daughter dating Won, Mom suggests that the three of them go on a vacation to leave Hana and Won all alone together.

Hana gets called out by one of her old high school buddies to celebrate her engagement. Na-young’s also in attendance, and when relationships come up, she asks Hana whether she and Won ever had any skinship moments—they’ve been together for seventeen years, after all.

But Hana adamantly claims they never did any such thing, and that she’s even seen Won naked from the waist up (multiple times!) without feeling a thing. Na-young says maybe she felt nothing, but would Won feel differently if the tables were turned?

Flash back to their high school days, when Won had pointed out the fact that Hana was drooling all over her desk. She’d wiped her mouth and gone back to sleep, and in the present, Hana smiles that they’ve always been like that.

But her friend cautions her that the same actions she thought nothing of before could take on a different meaning in the future, causing Hana to fret about last night’s pillow talk with Won.

Won thinks Hana’s ignoring his messages when in reality she’s just dropped her phone in the toilet, making him worry that she’s gotten so uncomfortable about the night before that she’s purposefully avoiding him.

Hana returns to work the next day and imagines that she sees an encouraging note from Sung-jae, when he hasn’t even shown up for work yet. She has to sit through a meeting where Director Byun takes all the credit for Actress Gu showing up to the red carpet in their shoes, rocketing them to the top of the search engines.

But Hana doesn’t let him get away with it totally unscathed, and uses the opportunity to back him into a corner so he’ll support an initiative of her team’s to break into the Chinese market. At least her team members appreciate and support her.

And when called upon to be the bigger person, Hana proves her worth by giving Sung-jae’s resume to Director Byun and vouching for him. Because of her talking him up, he’ll get a full-time position in one of their branch offices in China.

It’s raining outside again, and once more Hana finds a strange umbrella over her head. A remorseful Sung-jae holds it as he thanks her for the recommendation.

She remains professional and cites that she based her decision on his merits alone, though she cautions him to use his abilities to read women’s hearts in a more constructive way for the future. Then, proving she’s learned, she pulls out her own damn umbrella.

“Because you fell for me, I really thought of being your protector,” Sung-jae calls after her. She keeps walking, and he follows her a ways before he just watches her go. “You’re a much better person than I thought you were,” he adds quietly.

As she leaves, Hana thinks to herself that the truth can be a comforting salve as much as it can be the knife that opens up old wounds. In her case, she’ll use Sung-jae’s sincerity to patch her wounds while she waits for new skin to grow. Time heals all wounds, they say.

Won worries when he still can’t get ahold of Hana, and shoots her a text asking if she broke her arm or something. (Hana: “Funny story…”)

Except at that exact moment, she’s at the repair shop for her phone—but when she finds out that it’ll be a few days, she’s surprisingly unconcerned. She asked for some vacation days anyway, so being off the grid will be a good thing.

She and her brother end up running into So-eun while buying him a pair of shoes, and Dae-bok seems awful quick to declare that he has no allegiance to his sister when faced with So-eun’s long legs.

So-eun invites Hana out for some juice, and ne’er has there been a meeting between first and second leads o’er two cups that’s ended well. Unsurprisingly, So-eun says she’d wanted to speak to Hana anyway, since her relationship with “Oppa” has been concerning her.

But now she claims she isn’t, since Won said Hana was like family and that’s why he always wants to take care of her. Why is it that So-eun sounds patronizing when she says that she’ll take care of Hana too? She didn’t mention the family thing because it actually made her feel better, that’s for sure.

Hana pretends not to be bothered by what So-eun said and replies instead that Won is like family to her too. “If he were to call me, I would have gone too. Don’t worry about what happened that night.”

Her family wasn’t counting on Hana to return home before they’d booked it for a one-night stay at the nearby hot springs, and aw darn, it’s the one trip Hana can’t go on with her arm in a cast. Well, guess that means she’ll be left all alone with Won next door.

So-eun greets Won on his way out, and uses that act as leverage to ask him to buy her a meal. He declines since he’s just heard from her family that Hana hurt her arm, and So-eun chimes in that she saw the cast when she spotted Hana at the mall earlier. She pointedly leaves out the talk she had with Hana by acting all cute and concerned about her.

Hana’s perfectly content to spend her vacation days locked inside her house being her usual clumsy self, but her parents aren’t—they call Won to give him permission to fix a broken lightbulb in their house.

It’s his and Hana’s first meeting since that night, and while he’s totally fine, she’s the one who ends up acting awkward around him. Well, he’s not that fine, because she’s being so weird, but it seems like he’s deliberately testing the boundaries of her uncomfortableness by getting closer than he needs to be.

She jumps and screams to herself once she’s alone, only to later find Won still standing outside her gate. He looks antsy and says nothing before he grabs her for a quick kiss. Hana pulls away and screams, “Are you crazy?!” before punching him with her cast arm. Owwww.

Luckily, that part was only a dream. Won wakes up as though he actually felt the hit, remembering when his “friends” had cornered him in high school, presumably over his relationship with Hana. He’d fought back, but they’d fought harder.

Still, Won didn’t give up, and chased after the leader of the boys. Once he had him on the ground, he yelled, “Why can’t I like Oh Hana?! Why can’t I?!”

After the fight, Hana found him in the library to offer him her class notes. When she started to notice the blood and bruises on his face, Won roughly pushed her away. Hana left, unable to understand the change in his demeanor, and Won just looked after where she’d gone like a kicked puppy. Aww.

Mi-hyang’s pig dream comes full circle when the grandmother she saved in the bathroom turns out to be the CEO of a giant food corporation specializing in pig feet. Mi-hyang gets a pass to eat free pig feet for life, so it’s too bad she doesn’t like them. At least we know what they were trying to sell us.

Hana’s parents return home disappointed to find out that nothing happened between Won and Hana. She finally gets her phone back and reads all the backlogged messages Won sent her, but before she allows herself to feel warm and fuzzy, she remembers So-eun saying that Won thought of her like family.

Neither Hana or Won are aware that they’ve picked the same art museum to visit that day, only Won’s brought So-eun there on a date. So-eun takes issue with the fact that he only takes her to places Hana likes to go, which Won hadn’t even realized he was doing.

But then So-eun lays on the sugar and slips her arm through his, which is how Hana spots the two of them. She makes herself feel better by throwing a little shade in their general direction, to which I say: good for her.

Remember Hana’s friend that just got engaged? Well, the wedding’s been called off, and the would-be bride sobs that she’s more upset over losing her friend of seventeen years than she is over losing a fiancé. This resonates with Hana for obvious reasons.

Still, when Won catches her outside her house and finds out she hasn’t eaten, he buys them jjajangmyeon to eat in front of the TV. He gives her a fork when she can’t open her chopsticks single-handedly, and wipes her mouth when it’s dripping black bean sauce. Adorable.

A moment passes before Hana asks Won if he’ll visit her often when she inevitably ends up in a nursing home after a life spent alone. She knows that’s how it’s going to be when she works all the time and still doesn’t have a boyfriend.

Won can’t help but agree that Hana doesn’t have an eye for good men, but he also agrees to be there for her until he dies—even if it means hanging out with her in a nursing home one day. But when he asks if she’d do the same for him should he end up alone, Hana teases him by saying she’ll have to think about it.

Not long after, Hana calls Won to celebrate her getting her cast removed. They agree to meet for their favorite treat that night while Won thinks to himself, “Hana, I wish that you’ll always be okay.” Meanwhile, Hana thinks that Won is the only person who knows her e-mail and phone passwords.

Then the two of them think at the same time: “Let’s be together until we die.”

At the airport, Won seems to recognize star pianist CHA SEO-HOO (Yoon Kyun-sang) while he’s on his way to a sound check.

Once there, Seo-hoo switches from playing rapid and complicated notes to playing the scales. But the sequence is incomplete because he can’t help but think of a voice from his past—Hana’s voice—confessing giddily that she liked to play her scales that way.

Won sees Seo-hoo again outside Hana’s house, looking mournfully up at her window. Immediately Won looks guilty and tries to hide the things he’s brought for her, but Seo-hoo doesn’t pay him any mind.

Instead he watches and smiles just a little when Hana appears like a ray of extra-cheerful sunshine. She doesn’t see Seo-hoo, but Won never takes his eyes off him.

Flash back to high school, when Won had put books under Hana’s head as pillows when she’d fall asleep in the library. He’d affectionately touch her hair and smile only when she was asleep, and act as though he’d just woken her up to point out her drooling problem if she caught him.

As always, Hana would buy his excuses. But only when Won was out of sight would he let out the breath he’d been holding and smile to himself.

 
COMMENTS

Now we’re getting hints that things may not have been so one-sided for Won, which sure does complicate things, doesn’t it? What is clear is that there have been a lot of mixed messages, misunderstandings, and things left unsaid—though some of that seems to have been purposeful on Won’s part, which gives events in their past another dimension entirely.

It’s interesting to see how the pieces are beginning to fit together, even if the finished picture is the furthest thing from complete. I’d been curious to know if there were external forces keeping Won from pursuing a romantic relationship with Hana, but I never would have guessed that there was some nefarious plot against him dating her going all the way back to high school. We literally saw him get beaten up because he liked her, and because he never wanted Hana to worry, he’d sooner push her away than let her know what was really going on.

That tendency of his to keep Hana out of the loop for her own protection is its own double-edged sword, and it’s frustrating to see him hide his feelings behind longing looks and stolen touches. I want him to just be open and frank with her, though that should also go both ways. At the same time, this episode showed quite clearly why he might be inclined to keep to the status quo of their friendship, especially if he doesn’t want to risk losing Hana should things not work out between them romantically.

Based on how Hana retreated into herself after their drunken conversation, it’s not hard to see why Won wouldn’t have been the most forthcoming up until now. I wonder if something’s being kept from us regarding that conversation, or if Hana was just so wound up because she’d asked the question and received no answer. And Won’s answer in that moment, or lack of it, would go a long way toward telling us whether he’s purposefully keeping Hana in the dark out of a lack of trust, or whether she’s not recognizing the clues he’s leaving for what they are.

And then there’s So-eun, who brings a different set of complications with her. Setting aside the fact that she’s all but engineered to be unlikable as the interfering second lead, we can’t really say she’s doing that much interfering. (Yet.) Sure, she’s been pushy and emotionally manipulative, but she hasn’t put Won in a situation that he couldn’t get himself out of. Which is to say, he’s a grown man making a conscious decision to be with her, even though he also maybe-sorta-kinda likes Hana and has for seventeen years. Y’know, just the usual baggage.

 
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yoohoo.. the last part.. omooo, i dont want dalpo hyung to be a jerk and bad guy here like in Taiwan version. oh writernim, please change the character, haha.. i cant see him as a jerk, oh noooo.. :P

thanks for the recap :D

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He was a jerk, but omo... what a hunky jerk.

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Thanks for the recap!

The scene of them drunk in the hotel was my favorite part. Very natural, cute, and funny. Seo Hoo (aka Hyung lol) has got me feeling some type of way.... Dammit. I hope the writers don't make him an asshole like the TW version

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eeeppp I couldn't help myself. I finally actually watched an episode instead of just reading the recaps (thanks for the recaps!!) The episode seems sooooo loooonnnggggggg! But zomg Won...you're going to make my heart hurt!! Why has he kept quiet all these years?!? How did they make it this far and have so many missed opportunities? I want to knooowwwww

I don't actually mind So-eun, mostly because it's not like Won is stopping her. She hasn't moved into annoying second lead territory yet for me.

buuuttt....who is this new boy now??!? I can't wait to find out!

But seriously...I cannot wait until these two have some real smooches. I just about died with the dream one.

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These two have proven their worth as on-screen kissers, so they better not have weak-ass, closed-mouthed, stale-as-dead-fish kisses later!

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+10

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Thanks for the recap! "Easy airhead" is grating on my nerves! Who goes around attaching herself to a guy in such a shameless manner?

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The young'uns, the naive, the thick-skinned, and those with nothing to lose, I guess. In such cases, what counts as shameless is subjective as it depends on the connotation - as they say, everything's fair in love and war!

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Mark Darcy moment, anyone?

One thing I love about this drama is how it's really centered around these two characters. Practically every scene has one or the other or both, and I don't mind it at all. Drama is letting me get to know these characters and not involving them in silly sideplots or whatever.

I do see So-eun being more manipulative as we go on, which is a shame because I was hoping we would divulge from the typical second lead. I guess she's not that typical (no yelling or aggression or slapping or meanness), but she's not the naive, kind of dense but sweet character I hoped she would be.

My favorite thing about this whole show is just the interactions between Hana and Won:
The hotel scene = cute, cute, cute (that Venus pose!).
The conversation on the bed = ermahgerd!
The jjangjangmyeon scene = sweetness overload
The library scenes = a little heartbreaking

Thanks, Heads, for recapping this show! This was my most-anticipated drama this year, so thank you, thank you, for letting me indulge in it!

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Yawn! Something about this show seems to really drag.... Any thoughts on why?

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...because it's going through time? Get it!? The TIME I loved yo..oh, never mind. To each their own I guess.

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:-)

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Hi @Susan
My guess... we've pretty much guessed from a while back how it's going to go. It is playing out as expected. It is competent, well acted and flowing but there is not much change in pace or direction, no exciting tension, nothing unpredictable to look forward too.

I was commenting in the previous episode "Well, ‘hyung’ (Yoon Kyun Sang) has to be the catalyst to get our OTP rowing in unchartered waters…. they’ve been meandering down stream slowly for too long!!!" And this could be the reason for the drag.

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Isn't interesting how everything can go well with a production and it still might not really engage it's audience?!

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I get the same feeling. I start watching an episode, get distracted, and forget it is even running. This is one I will probably end up dropping, will try to finish watching last episode, but so far.. Meh.

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I think I'm in the same camp. I'll probably end up dropping this.

I'm wondering if it's the lead casting that that has me so blase. Both are good actors, but somehow I'm not really all that excited about them getting together.

I had the same boredom problem with Warm and Cozy, but I liked the two leads so much that I eventually finished watching it. So, maybe with TTILY it's both the story - which seems to have no surprises and moves very slowly ala WAC - coupled with an OTP that I'm not all that drawn to.

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I read some interesting takes on So Eun’s character on the previous thread, so will share (re-post) my two cents here as I feel I missed out on the convo, ha!

Normally, with a character like that, I’d say an argument can be made both ways – you either love her, or hate her. But I can see why that might be a tad bit difficult in this version, where for some reason, she’s made to come across as being more manipulative as opposed to naive. That wasn’t the case in the original…

In the original, her character highlighted an age gap which Ha Na had to contend with, the older she got. Her youthful nature and naive optimism served as a great contrast to Ha na’s years of experience and general outlook on life, which changes according to generation.

And whilst the young can be annoying and lack perspective on life due to inexperience or naivety, you can’t blame them for taking advantage of opportunities laid out in front of them. That is the case with both SE and SJ, who take advantage of their youth to take bold steps. It’s one of the things I really enjoyed about the original – the essence of time, and how that translated into all the various characters, be it young or older, and the decisions they are forced to make as a result.

Yes, So Eun may be a little manipulative, but she’s also young, and her perspective on life is made to stand out vastly from both Ha na and Won’s (who belong to the same generation). If anything, her character showcases just how in sync Hana and Won are when it comes to life, and how their shared experiences doesn’t allow for a third party to enter so easily. In that sense, So Eun also comes across as slightly more pathetic if not sympathetic, as she’s of the naive mindset that her ideal vision of love can overcome a friendship of 17 or more years.

It may be frustrating, but she sure ain’t fooling anyone. Mind you, I think that's also a key problem - she was presented as being a lot younger than Won and Ha-na in the orig, making her antics a lot more believable, in that it made you think she’s young and naive, despite being annoying. Here, her character looks older – so her actions don’t quite match up, making her appear a lot more manipulative in the negative sense.

Won may be too nice a guy to decline her advances, but he sure isn’t innocent. Mi Hyang actually gave him very sound advice in not starting something he’s not committed to – so he entered this relationship knowingly. And him providing false hope is a lot more blameworthy than So Eun’s forthright nature. Doesn’t mean I like Won any less, it’s just that, it shows he’s not perfect – exactly how the Taiwanese version depicts him.

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Sorry, though I haven't yet watched this episode, I forgot to mention - thank you very much for recapping the show, HeadsNo2!

It's lovely being able to watch an all time favourite with fresh eyes. So far, I'm really enjoying this remake!

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I think Won is perhaps really trying to get into a relationship with So Eun so as to convince himself not to love Hana ?

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Why do people always touch the sleeping person's eyebrow? It's like the fourth unofficial rule in k-dramas that obligate a character to touch a sleeping person's eyebrow/forehead/nose/lip alongside with wrist grabs (which is usually just one arm but can include both arms, case in point, Who Are You), at least one deer-in-headlights kiss, and a scene in which the two leads narrowly miss seeing each other whilst using the exact same entrance.
Though in this scenario it is Ha Ji Won we're talking about here, so her eyebrows are probably dang irresistible.

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and here I am thinking everyone must have done the same thing I do.... touching the eyebrows or cheeks of a person sleep next to me.
am I the weird one..... *thrown into sudden confusion*
lol.

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I asked my husband if he ever touches me when I sleep LOL! He claims yes, but who knows???? For parent with their children yes, ... for two adults who like each other, I guess??? But I read another lot of comments (during Pinocchio) that had people saying it was not the thing to do. The question was, how we would feel if we are sleeping and this other person (who likes us) touches our face/hair but does not let on that they have done so. I actually don't know :D

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I have been very vocal about that issue in Pinocchio back then, but I've been in the minority. Most people thought that it was rather swoony.

I confess that I do it occasionally with my wife and I don't feel very bad about it (at all). However, it is a very intimate act and, for me, it needs to be grounded in mutual trust and affection. And that was not the case in Pinocchio, and it is not the case here. Their relationship is based on lies and a involuntarily mutual contract of thinly veiled deception.

However, when it comes to physical contact, culture plays a huge part. For example, I noticed that in some cultures, adults are allowed (even expected) to touch the children of strangers they run across, without any explicit consent from the child's parents (let alone the child's). In other cultures, that's a crime.

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The thing you said about, though it is a very far off from the drama topic, I did experience something on it.

Once when I was with my friends as a teenager we saw a cute Caucasian child in a shop with deep blue eyes with long eye lashes, curly blond hair, pink cheeks and lips....a baby that one sees in photos... The child was so cute that all of us at the same time starting fawning over the child and even tried to touch the child when the mother yelled "don't touch my baby!" in a loud booming voice. Everyone started looking at our way. More than being embarrassed, we were really upset and was surprised how could a woman say something like this. Mothers in our part would have been extremely proud and even show off her child when people are fawning over the child's cuteness. Over the years I understood the cultural difference and the Western sensitivity.

Like most Asian people touching others kids in the form of petting their head, pinching their cheeks, even kissing them, etc when we find them cute was considered normal.

I have concluded that it depends on the mentality and awareness because I am assuming towards these region we have lesser sexual crime against children (as reported). When we see children, we see them as cute and cuddly but thanks to the media which is highlighting issues against child abuse, we have come to know that some people may have bad intention. Nowadays mothers this side too have become cautious and also we have become careful in appreciating a stranger's cute child.
This awareness has been a boon and a bane both because the innocent mind has also become corrupt because it makes us think about things we have never thought before. Earlier those people who saw children in an innocent light now are aware that they can be targeted sexually too so I think it has given rise to new crimes against minors esp. done by minors too in recent years. Just an observation on my part...

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"Hana believes love is about compromise and sacrifice, but Won believes it’s about loving the other person just the way they are."
Hana-ah! Wonnie can't be any more revealing!

“The only person who likes me for who I am is you, but you don’t see me as a woman,” Hana confessed. “You’re the one who doesn’t see me as a man,” Won had countered.

My heart ached for Won!!!
I'm not sure if he said anything else to her, but the look he gave her spoke volumes!!! Filled with longing and love. Won-ah!!! My heart goes out to you!

Btw, the bed scene and the Wonnie pillow had me squealing with delight! I want a pillow too! Pun intended.

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I'd hoped that this drama wouldn't go into the usual second lead annoyingness and while it's nowhere near as bad as others I've seen, this episode just went there. However am I the only one that's more annoyed with Won? The dude isn't exactly shutting down her advances either, in fact he's not saying ANYTHING. Why do you not respond when someone just asked if she's your girlfriend? Don't expect me to understand that mysterious half-smile you did, I really don't know whether your smile is supposed to mean a yes or no, Won.

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A very worthy two cents! I had a good feeling about her in the first episode, but now that we're in the fourth episode, I do find her naivete and initial sweetness a bit off. I get that she's optimistic, but I don't know if that bright, sunny optimism is coming across the way it should.

And agree about Won. As much as I love him, I think he should have the awareness as the older, more experienced person in this "relationship" to either reject or accept her affection and not lead her on. He keeps assuring (or lying to) her that Hana is just a friend, like family, which only convinces her even more that he likes her.

I think it's interesting how many conversations we are having on this board about So-eun either way. However we think of her, she's definitely not uninteresting.

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"I think it’s interesting how many conversations we are having on this board about So-eun either way. However we think of her, she’s definitely not uninteresting."

For sure! Funny you say that though, because I feel she's a lot more interesting in this version than she was in the original. Having said that, it's obvious that her role in the story isn't there to put a dent in Ha-na and Won's relationship, rather it's used to paint a broader picture, mainly thematically, of love, friendship, and age. At least, that's the way I see it!

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Yeah, I think she's more of a catalyst rather than an obstacle (Hana's ex is filling that role, I believe) to their relationship.

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LOL the 2nd lead female is having more comments about her than the lead female!!!

"As much as I love him, I think he should have the awareness as the older, more experienced person in this “relationship” to either reject or accept her affection and not lead her on. He keeps assuring (or lying to) her that Hana is just a friend, like family, which only convinces her even more that he likes her."
About this... I agree with @crazyahjummafan that just because person A is family does not make person B a girlfriend LOL! where is the logic?

However, he needs to get his head together when dealing with a fast thinker and opportunistic go-getter like So Eun and be very clear whether she is a girlfriend or a friend who happens to be female or not a friend at all. :)

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This is how I see the logic: As So-eun, "I know that the guy I like has this friend that could mean something more to him. But he insists to me that they're just friends, practically family, as if trying to implicitly let me know that A) he is single, and B) there's nothing between them because he doesn't want me to think there's no chance for us."

Take it or leave it!

(And as I type this, I realize that Won's probably assuring himself more than anyone that Hana is just a friend. He's oblivious!)

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That's So-eun's logic. But like you mentioned, he's probably re-assuring himself more than convincing So-eun.

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It's like they are on two different levels. Only instead of taking the stairs or escalator to his level, So-eun simply jumps down.

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There's that part when Ha-na woke up and she said, "It's Won." When she said that, I had these two interpretations inside my head: (1) The literal sense in which, of course, Won's lying beside her on the bed; and (2) The deeper sense of "It's Won"--like realizing that he's what she's been looking for all this time.

Maybe I'm just reading too much into things (lol) but it's kinda cute if that means to be exactly like that ;)

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I think there'll be more to that hotel scene.

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Ooh! I hope so!

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@Jyc

As I mentioned in a comment below, it is totally your (2) interpretation as well as (1). She came to a realization and her behavior after that shows her awareness of a change.

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"Naturally, she asks if he’d drop everything and go to her if she were to call him in the middle of the night like that."

Won takes a moment before he explains that Hana is like family to him. “So you’re saying that Hana Unni is a friend who’s like family, and I’m your girlfriend, right?” When Won doesn’t respond, she adds onto the manipulation by saying she’ll think positively, since that’s a trait he likes about her. Grah, she’s annoying."

I CANNOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!

Furthermore, she's illogical. Just because Hana is like a family friend doesn't mean that she is his girlfriend! How can she go from A to D, by ignoring B and C?

I'm teaching my students Cause and Effect now, and this is a very good example of what is NOT cause and effect! Think I'm going use it in class!

But all that said, Won, why didn't you say no? Do you think she's just teasing you?

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Lol, I can feel your frustration there *wink
Yepp, So-Eun is annoying (And I blame this to Won as well since he doesn't do anything to make her illogical conclusion right).
You know what, to avoid myself from other frustration, I skip the scene when I have only both of them in it.

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Goshhhhhh - this episode was a squee-fest!! I'm glad we got some squees in since next week will be rough for our precious Won!!

I LOVE the background score/OST of this show. The BGS that plays during the morning after to their awkward ride home was just beautiful! It highlighted Hana's awareness of Won in a romantic light for the first time in the show and the ensuing awkwardness.

While I've come to adore Hana I LOVE Won... like *heart eyes* love for him! My heart hurt for him when he he waited for Hana on the rooftop and thought the reason she hadn't read his text messages was because she was uncomfortable around him. Like, ughhhh!! In the concluding scene as well when he spots her ex and his smile instantaneously drops, his facial expression changes, and his posture brims with tension - nicely portrayed by LJW!!

While I'm all grabby hands for the next episodes I know it won't be easy watching Won playing second fiddle to the ex.

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I must be the only one here that doesn't really mind So Eun. All she's doing is going after a guy that she likes. Yes, she's kinda sticking herself into his life, but who hasn't done something to get closer to their crush. She's asked multiple people multiple times if there's more to the friendship between Won and Ha Na and has always gotten a response in the negative. She's bubbly and fun and keeping Won from being all mopey. As long as she doesn't do a complete 180° turn into Crazytown, she can stick around. It's not her fault that the OTP still can't get their stuff together after almost 2 decades.

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Lol, and here we have the other side of the argument - completely agree with this point too, btw!

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Right? While I understand the other side of the argument, I feel compelled to defend her because I give her props for going after what she wants, unlike some other characters (looking at you with loving eyes, Won). And honestly, when Sung-jae was doing this with Hana, I didn't see a lot of complaints. I thought he was just as intrusive and pushy and manipulative (and his feelings weren't even true!).

There are clear signs that Won probably doesn't like her, but on the flipside there aren't exactly clear signs that he doesn't like her.

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It's true that we didn't complain when SJ did it to Hana. For me it was because I genuinely thought that he liked her as I had not watched the TW version. He was forward and flirty, but not manipulative in the way that SE is. Yes, he knew about Hana's desperate love-life and capitalised on it using his charms, but there are inherent differences.

He was very forward and flirty but in a direct way. He didn't corner her into a decision the way So-eun did with Won. For eg, when he called her Noona, he just did it. When Hana showed surprise, he told that they are not in the office and therefore she is not his team leader and he's not her intern. Which is correct. It was up to Hana whether she was willing to accept it or not and Hana wouldn't appear heartless if she told him not to. In So-eun's case, she made it look like if Won didn't allow her, he was not being nice - after all she had no one to call Unni or Oppa before and he would be doing her a favour if he allowed her. If he didn't, he would appear heartless.

In any case, Hana also used him to make her look better - when she called him to take her home after that dinner with Won and SE and he was fully aware of it.

But in all honesty, some of us were perhaps enamoured with his boyish good looks and dimpled smile to overlook the warning signs, in the way Hana did. And I have to admit that he does know women - just like Hana said.

In that respect, So-eun knows men!

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Why does Won need to get a new room at the hotel when Hana was already staying there earlier?

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He didn't, that's the room she had

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But they showed him at the reception doing some checki-in thingee right? Else they could have gone up to the room directly.

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Good question... maybe she had not taken her room key or wanted a room switch or he was really getting his own room, but ended up being with her instead?

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Also, the sweet way that Won brushed Ha Na's hair off of her face KILLED me. They made great bookends to the episode.

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You know what I find most annoying about this drama is some scenes including dialogue seem lifted directly from In Time With You without changing anything. Then the changes they do make either annoy me, for instance So-eun is not a good trade off for Maggie, or seem to have no point like the invention of Mi-hyang, unless she's supposed to replace Uncle Bai in which case again that's not a good trade. Not to mention the fact I don't think Lee Jin-wook and Ha Ji-won have anywhere near as good a rapport as Arial Lin and Chen Bo Lin had.

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Your problem is that you're comparing. If you watch the drama on its own merit, you'll probably see it differently.

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Actually my real problem is I'm watching In Time With You with my mom at the moment, her first time my 3rd, and that makes it hard not to compare. Sometime in the future, later this year or next year, after mom and I have finished In Time With You and I've given it time to fade from my memory I'll probably come back and give this another chance.

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I know what you mean too. I've just recently finished the original version and hopped straight into watching this one. The original is still fresh on my mind so I can't help but compare either. However, I still like this remake as well. Anything that still does justice (ie follows the original story without changing too much) makes me happy.

Like what I've commented below, I miss the narration though. The "signs of ageing " and "charms of a mature woman" at the beginning and end of each episode respectively was a really nice touch to the drama in the original.

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Oh not to mention the recurring theme of Li Da-ren's (Won) love song that was the OST throughout the drama and became central to the plot later on. At first when I heard that song as the OST inein the drama I had no idea it was his love song until it got explained later on. I felt like everything in the drama tied in nicely.

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@Sajen..
//Not to mention the fact I don’t think Lee Jin-wook and Ha Ji-won have anywhere near as good a rapport as Arial Lin and Chen Bo Lin had.//

I agree with you...I go with Taiwan version. Amazing OTP in TW. I can't see any magic btwn ha ji won and Lee Jin wook.

Moreover, there is some soul in TW version (ariel lin's family(especially her mom....) and Bo lin's family(her arrogant ;-) mom and her block block sister and especially Uncle Boi) everything was perfect and having lot of soul in each and every character..Here so lacking in both families...Seems little disappointed...Let's see...

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I just agree a bit on family relationship. HN seems cold with her mum. But maybe, mother daughter relationship in reality depends on the family itself. Magic? I love LDR and CYQ chemistry. I also find magic in HN and CW chemistry. They are really playful and like to tease each other. Sometime, they can get to serious conversations. At least i get to understand the question if one sees the other as a man and the other way round. When they get together, sometimes CW acts a bit harsh to HN like a guy friend but deep in his heart he loves HN so much as a woman. Well, again, that my point of view.

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As much as I love the original, i also love this remake. The thing that annoyed me much in the original was LDR manly man act. I tried to make my own imagination that he will bravely confessed to CYQ that he really love her. I guess Maggie was right, everything is the girl' s initiative to make the move. The other one is on CYQ part, is she feel the same as LDR? I got to know some of things that LDR expressed his love without CYQ noticing them.

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Thanks Heads!!

I'm still enjoying the ride and I like the exploration into whether men and women can be friends or go back to being friends after falling in love/breaking up. My personal take on this is that it really depends on individuals and on each couple. I believe that the better the communication between the couple, the more likely they are able to regain something of if not most of their friendship before being romantically involved. (I have heard from a divorcee so at least there is one case??) Whether it can be the same is less likely, since people do not remain exactly the same.

WRT to this show. I'm glad that Ha Na has literally woken up and seen Won with new eyes. Now that she realizes that he is the one she likes, all the obstacles are just going to come raining on them LOL! I loved the funny... the 'bedroom scenes', the meta ref to Gil Ra Im and froth-covered lips ... scenes included to lighten the mood as our OTP start getting more seriously thoughtful about where they are. It was also good that we are given enough to understand what gives Ha Na pause through her friends' Na Young's and Jeong Mi's experiences. At least viewers are not left in the dark to guess only.

WRT to Won, it is more of a puzzle. What would cause him to fight because he likes Ha Na and what outside influence would stop him? This show does not have a birth secret, right? right?? However his nightmare of being punched if he kissed Ha Na is revealing and saddening. Taken together with some unknown other reason, it might be compelling and understandable that Won's fears outweigh the rewards of taking the risk.

And Yoon Kyun Sang - so good to see him again... is he going to be a troublesome second lead? Romantic but irritating, behaving like he's entitled and putting Won down? Probably... but still seeing him again is a bit of a drool-ish experience. LOL!

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I wonder if it's that the other boy - maybe the class iljin - had a crush on her and that made her off-limits or something.

But that doesn't explain why into adulthood, long after leaving school, he couldn't then approach her as a man, unless it was that he didn't want to threaten the precious friendship.

I'm really struggling to figure out WHAT could make it so so not okay for him to have confessed his feelings back then. They stayed friends after all -- really really CLOSE friends -- so gah I don't know!

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A number of people have had problems with seeing HJW being aegyo and girly, partly because of her previous roles. Girly or not, I feel that Hana is just as tough as her other characters. She may not be literally kicking and fighting, but she's still kicking ass only in a different way because her battles are different.

1) It takes A LOT of courage and toughness to attend the wedding of a person who 2-timed you and ended up marrying the other person, who happens to be richer and younger...and they happen to be your colleagues as well. To top it off, you're the object of pity and scorn from your colleagues.

2) Then, at the wedding, your friend, with good intentions, messes up things more, and now the wedding guests are upset with you. You have to go back to work with the same people and hold your head up high. That's tough. But Hana did with pose and dignity. When everyone thought that she would resign, Hana stuck to her guns.

3) She's tough too in that she's professional. I liked the way she handled the difficult shoe customer with her knowledge of shoes. That's so admirable - rather than putting the lady down in a 'clever' way. I believe that in the original version, the female lead handled it in an aggressive way. I feel that Hana's way is much better and more professional. She had to humble herself - take the lady's foot in her hand, use her wits and knowledge to speak to the lady nicely when it would have been easier to just diss the customer.

4) The way she handled Sung Jae's betrayal. WOW! Daebak! I'm reminded about what a beloved Principal whom I've had the privilege of working with, taught me. One of the teachers in the school was dissing her behind her back, even up to the authorities. But that year, he got a promotion. I was very puzzled and asked her about it. Her reply was "I must separate the man from his work." Although the teacher was giving her a hard time, he was actually a good teacher and did his work well. It was just his relationship with the P that was not good. But she saw beyond the personal differences to the work he was doing. And that's what Hana did. She could have used her authority to not get him a job, but she didn't. I'm proud of her! And that takes guts!

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Yup your comments on Ha Na were what were popping into my head as I watched the last few episodes. I may have mentioned bits and pieces, but you've brought them all together. :)

Ha Na is one character who should really be respected as a 'person' in this show. It is so downplayed and undramatic, but what her character does, goes against the normal in both real and reel life. Basically, after getting hurt over and over, she does not take revenge or get bitter. She takes it in her stride, knowing it will blow over and rather than hide/quit/run which is easier, she stays the course.

She has shown a good thinking head in her dealings with the actress and how she gracefully let her boss take the credit but earned points with her team by getting them the approval for marketing to China. She has been professional where her work calls for it even when she was attracted to Sung Jae. He hit her below the belt by undermining her professionalism by deliberately deceiving her into thinking he really liked her. His words about her are true, she is a better person than he took her for and that realization is the 'best punishment' for people like him.

Now she's in a position where she is aware how her feelings towards Won have changed, at a time when he seems to her to be dating, and to a girl who wants to consider her family too (yes, @Heads, I do think that was patronising) and soon she will find out her ex is back. She will need to decide if she should remain true to her feelings and keep ex away or give in to loneliness and not feel left out by accepting ex's attentions. If there is a 3rd option, it should be.... confess to Won and risk it ALL!!! :)

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It's unfair, really. Ha Ji-won is an actor! Let her play something else for a change! And it's really refreshing for me to see her play a modern-day career woman who can be vulnerable and lets her hair down (literally and figuratively).

As for the aegyo thing, I noticed it only when she was drunk. It wasn't excessive at all to me.

And yes to everything you said about her. She doesn't need to be a carbon copy of the original character. Let her be her own character.

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carbon copy...haha...I like that. Yes, agree with you. If the remake copied the original 100%, I think I don't watch this drama because I already know the story. But, because of some changes and maybe the interpretation of the writer is different so it makes the drama interesting. I love that the writer or the director keep some sweet scenes and dialogues in this drama. If they change everything, it will be a huge disappointment to me.

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I agree totally with what you said about Hana! And I didn't find HJW annoying at all (think I'm pretty objective despite being a fan of hers ;)), despite others' complaints. I think it may just be a bit strange seeing her play a modern day "normal" working woman when she hasn't portrayed one in the projects she's been in in the past few years.

It's nice to see her in a simple love story, hopefully the writers won't swing us around as they did on Secret Garden. Great meta ref there.

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At first I found the aegyo awkward but I got over it eventually. It's a lot more natural now or maybe because I just see her as Hana now and no longer the Ha Ji Won who played badass characters Kim Hang Ah, Ki Sunyang and Gil Ra Im.

And I agree with @crazyahjummafan (Can I just say that I love how you phrase all your comments? You're always able to take the words out of my mouth all the time!), Hana is a pretty strong character despite her girly and cutesy demeanor. She's just as tough as HJW's past characters except she shows it in a subtler, average girl on the street way, without all the grand gestures.

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"Not to mention the fact I don’t think Lee Jin-wook and Ha Ji-won have anywhere near as good a rapport as Arial Lin and Chen Bo Lin had."

Ah, that's being a little harsh don't you think? I admit, it did seem a little rocky to begin with, but I think they've grown a lot more comfortable in their roles since then. Now, I find them oozing with chemistry, perhaps not in the same way as Bolin and Ariel, but certainly not worse or any less for that matter.

I have to agree with some of the changes you picked up on though, like Maggie's character for instance!! She was a lot more likeable (despite being annoying) in the Taiwanese version. And her presence proved a point in relation to age and experience.

However, Mi-hyang, I don't mind so much. Though I much preferred Da-ren (Won) being stuck in a house with women who had considerable impact on his life whilst growing up - his mother, his sister, and his best friend. It really served a narrative purpose.

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Sorry, the above was in reply to Sajen #18

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I'm currently watching the original and this simultaneously, (usually a no no for me), and I find Maggie to be much more annoying than So-eun. So-eun seems much more mature than Maggie.

Equally ingratiating, So-eun seems more calculating and Maggie seems more like a love sick teen.

I also find Ha Na to be "softer" than You Qing's character.

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Hey John,

Yep Maggie was indeed very annoying in the original, but she wasn't depicted as being manipulative or calculating, as you put it. And If I had to pick from the two, I'd pick the love sick teen lol, cause at least that way, you can get a good laugh out of it.

There were times when both Yo Qing and Da Ren were left rolling their eyeballs (in the orig) at her naivety which was just icing on the cake, because you can see how they both couldn't connect with her on an emotional level.

Ha-na is most definitely softer than Yo Qing's character - but it's a welcome change!

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Admittedly, I was very skeptical about this remake and I still have some reservations. Nonetheless, I'm pleased thus far. The pacing is a bit slow but it fits the drama and subject matter. What makes me nervous is how much story there is to cover but if the original could fit all in 13 extended episodes then 16 should do the trick. I've been considering the original and trying to figure out what will go in each episode.

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This episode left me with the following questions:

Is there a possibility Won can't like Hana because of the pianist?

Are the pianist and Won related?

Thank you for the recap?

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I don't think they are!
I'm not sure if this is a long shot, but CSH took off a watch and a leather looking braided thing before he started his rehearsal. I think I saw Won with a similar looking leather looking braided thing on his wrist in the last scene, where he was waiting for Hana with the food. Maybe they were inseparable hyungs at some point in time? Tho I agree with another commenter who said a bro code reason for won and hana not being together would be kinda lame

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Good attention to detail. I completely missed the bracelet. Thanks!

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The pianist is Hana's ex boyfriend, they talked about him in the hotel room

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Ah! I thought they were referring to the ex who cheated on her with the co-worker.

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Saw the pianist taking off the braided bracelet but didn't notice Won wearing any, but the "ex" they mentioned in the hotel room was definitely the pianist. It was the same name. Won obviously didn't think much of him, referring to him as "bast*** / jerk"? I rely on subtitles so I am not sure what term that really was.

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I just finished watching Ep. 4 with subs and, whew, there were quite a few tiny-squeal-worthy moments there. The first three episodes were good enough to keep me interested but made me feel like the chemistry between the leads wasn't quite there yet (not like the gripping chemistry between CYQ and LDR in the original). But with episode 4, I can feel it steadily going into hyper gear. I love the flashback scenes they put at the end of each episode. It lets us see both Hana and Won's perspectives and helps us come full circle with each scene. Looking forward to the weekend! Hopefully they don't come up with some foolish reason as to why Won's been so hesitant the past 17 years. I don't want some bleh birth secret, noble idiocy, or any other typical K-drama trope. Give me something realistic, please.

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I liked the way Hana handled the final situation with Sung Jae. Loved that she was professional and gave him good advice. And that she took out her own dang umbrella!!

I enjoy watching Won+Hana's close relationship scenes. Makes me envious. They really care about each other. They know a lot of things about each other, but then again, they don't know the most important fact of all. Yet... I knew all those happy moments between Won and Hana would be short-lived.... Now the Ex is back.

Oh, and I loveeeeee Ha Ji Won's styling in this drama. Her pretty outfits and accessories! <3

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It occurred to me that her having that umbrella all along even as she stood letting the rain fall on her hand, was a nice metaphor that she had learned from the past. She had decided to enjoy what she had rain or shine, she would not depend on another if she could help herself and she had let go of the hurt, and was able to preserved her self-respect and was able to walk away independent and in control. I really liked that umbrella scene (and how she spoke to Sung Jae, so that his respect for her knew no bounds).

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I really like your commentary! And I agree. ^^

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I don't understand why so many more people are criticizing Won because he's in a romantic relationship with So-eun when he still has feelings for Hana. Hana's done the same thing at least three times! (She was with the terrible guy that got married, the person mentioned in the drunk conversation and Sung-jae.) Hana's just as guilty as Won.

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Also, even if Hana *does* like Won, he's categorically told her several times that there's no way they'll ever be a couple EVER, so Hana's not guilty of anything.

If anything, she does the rare thing (never before seen in kdrama, ha) of taking no for an answer.

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People are not mad at him not because of his feelings for Ha Na, but because of the way So Eun is manipulating people to get her way. Plus, Ha Na is only just now becoming aware of her feelings for him whereas he's been aware of his for 17 years. They're not really in the same situation in that aspect

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How is she manipulating people? She is very subjective and opportunistic about her views, but she actually tells other people what she thinks and gives them the chance to object.

The two main lead character are much more manipulative as they are constantly lying to themselves and other people.

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She's manipulative in the way she gets Won to do things for her like calling him Oppa and getting him to cook for her again. It's subtle but there.

I wrote about it in ep 3 under 8.2 i think.

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I think she tells them what she *wants* to think, and by extension wants *them* to think. It's clever and a little underhanded, to present the literal truth but at a slight distortion that supports her agenda. It's politics!

I think what most of us are responding to is that conflict of literal truth vs almost indetectible distortion -- we detect it, but it's subtle enough that it's hard to pin it down as wrong. I'm having the exact same problem! I admire having the guts to unequivocally pursue someone you like and accept a little discouragement, but there's that niggling recognition of manipulation and maybe a little too much aggression. I'd say exactly the same thing if the genders were reversed.

But like everyone else has pointed out, Won is really at fault here for not saying no, so we can only assume that he purposely doesn't say no (which he obviously knows HOW to do). So then maybe nobody's really at fault. It's just that the Won-Hana friendship is so big that everyone except the two of them can recognise that there's no room for anyone else.

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@booitsjwu

If the criticism is of Won hanging out with So Eun, it's because he is the one who has been aware all along that his feelings for Ha Na and determination to maintain the close relationship with her, will practically preclude any meaningful romance with another girl. But he is either trying to be oblivious to this or is deceiving himself (and in the process So Eun as well).

He could be just 'irresponsibly' going with the flow because 1) it's easier since going against So Eun's determination will take quite an effort 2) he is trying to prove Ha Na wrong about him and dating/his ego is at stake 3) because of self-deception that it's OK to have a girl like him while he likes Ha Na since he has no intention of dating Ha Na. All these reasons are not justifiable... they seem more self-serving.

Also, he is not taking his cousin's words seriously that he should not lead So Eun on, if he has no intention to go with her all the way (to marriage).

Where Ha Na is concerned, she was not aware of her feelings for Won and his for her. It is only after So Eun came on board that she is becoming aware of them. Won has also categorically told her that he would not ever date her. So she was looking for romance apart from Won. This is natural and expected and so Ha Na is not criticized for the same behavior.

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I think it's different for Hana. Won has made it clear to her that he will never love her that way. She probably accepted it, and instead of moping around for a guy she thinks she can not be with, she pursued relationships with sincerity.

Won, on the other hand, seems detached from So-eun, and it's obvious he never put those feelings for Hana away.

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Well, my theory is that Won doesn't seem to really build emotional attachments to others quickly or easily but, after they're established, he's super loyal to them. For example, outside of work, we've only seen him hang out with either Hana or her family members. We see Hana sometimes hang out with other friends but that's not the case with Won. I think Won has a small circle of people he really cares about and you have to earn your admission. If Won and So-eun keep dating for a long time (I really hope that doesn't happen...), I'm sure he'll be very devoted to her.

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Of course, the main problem with that is that he's already devoted 17 of his years to Ha-na, and I highly doubt he'd be willing to do the same with So-eun (or any other girl for that matter) and he knows it.

I'm with Tapioca on this one, in that the story so far has been captured from the time Won fell in love - and that's been from the very beginning of their friendship. But whatever compelled him to say that he'd never fall in love with her, is the one thing which has kept their relationship at stalemate. Because contrary to Ha-na, we know that what he's feeling is completely the opposite to what he says, and he knows it. Hence why he's able to enter relationships of no real consequence, allowing him to put Ha-na always first.

It's just a matter of time really; the original title captures it beautifully: In Time With You.

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I expect that the melo axe will fall on us soon enough but right now I'm enjoying the humour in the show in places where we can get them. HN's mum and dad are a hoot as they throw in one scheme after the next to orchestrate moments for the OTP to have one-on-one time in the dark.

I have no strong feelings about the 2FL one way or the other. She's there to serve a purpose and she does it adequately. She may be manipulative but she's so baldly manipulative that I can't really see any malevolence in it especially when Won doesn't exactly go out of his way to discourage her from latching on to him either. Like his predecessor, he's using her to experiment as much she's pushing herself onto him. I'm sure he's not that naive or dumb not to understand what she's up to.

There were four scenes here that I loved: The post-drinking bed scene, the pre-drinking sofa scene, light-bulb scene and the jjajeongmyeon and jjampong eating scene.

So far it's hitting all the right notes for me. I love In Time with You but I never feel the need to compare the two. This one follows the template but they're both different creatures to me.

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I think what I missed about this remake is that in the original, there's a list of "signs of ageing" and "charms of a mature woman" that takes place in the narration at the beginning and ending of each episode respectively. It adds a nice touch to the drama along with Li Da-ren's (Won) love song that plays as the ost throughout the drama. And that OST became a central part of the plot as well.

However, I guess this remake is more to the style of k-dramas. In the original HaNa's (You Quing) character was not a virgin and Sungjae's character (Nic) was gay, while here it's more 'pure/innocent' vibe to it :) I did like how the original, Nic and Maggie's character turned out quote likeable throughout the drama (except the for ex bf that is). All-in-all, I do like this remake and can't wait to see how it plays out.

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I didn't watch the original, I'm a little bit confused how they are supposed to squeeze 16 episodes out of this.

My main problem with the show right now is a personal one, something I cannot blame the show for: I'm pro-friendship. For me, friendships are the most important parts of life. You can decide to fall in love or out of love with a person -- and that usually takes a day or two to do so -- but you cannot produce friendship in the same way. Friendship is usually the combination of being lucky and a lot of hard work. And that's why it's so precious to me.

The show is basically the antithesis to that, and it's nothing else. I can imagine that my religious fundamentalist sister-in-law had similar feelings in her biology lectures in high school.

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@Jon.G

With regards to the original, there's 13 episodes each about 1.5 hours long. So the original was equivalent to a standard 20-episodes kdramakdrama so I was more worried that this remake may not be able to squeeze in everything that happened in the original. Considering how the original was written really well and all characters were developed really nicely. So my worries were that the chacharacters won't have time to develop properly. I do hope later on we get more of Sungjae's character like the original. He turned out quite likeable later on :)

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^my mistake, excuse the typing errors above ^^

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Also is it me, or do I see so many Pinocchio actors in here? I'm pretty sure I spot 6 already now: HaNa's Dad, her brother, Won's cousin, Won't hoobae gf, the other flight attendant (male), and now I assume the ex bf returning (guy that played Hyung in Pinocchio).

I can't wait to see how many more Pinocchio actors there'll be lol...

Also on the side note, HaNa's boss is the Ahjussi guy from Healer and Park Dalhyang's father from The Three Musketeers hehe. I've always loved this veteran actor, his facial expressions are so hilarious!! :D

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I just wanna say...."hyuuuung, finally."

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Hehe I know right, same situation with me...except I have no knowledge of casting news beforehand and I love Pinocchio. So you can imagine my surprise every time I spot a Pinocchio actor. When Hyung came in...I'm no longer surprised LOL. Now I'm wondering if there'll be anymore Pinocchio actors in the upcoming episodes to surprise me...

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Me too. "Hyung" oppa is finally here. I hope he's a more sympathetic figure than DLW. While I have fallen in love with Won, I'd love to see a good challenge from the second male lead.

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Just came here to say that I love how wvwryone's calling Kyun-sang, 'hyung'. Like, he'll always be Dal-po's hyung to all of us. Hehehe.

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This. ????

I really hope they won't make him a jerk like original. Loos pike he'll be playing the ex-bf so I hope his character is somewhat more likeable than Ding Li Wei.

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Don't think his character will be similar to DLW, even though it's the "same" character. Better not be. Just can't see YKS acting like DLW.

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For some reason I thought Won was getting hit by his school mates because, he is the reason they lost the match, when he saved Hana from falling during the games,making the girls the winners.

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Good thought. It could be. But that would not be serious enough to make him say that he can't ever love her.

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The scene of the boys fighting making me curious. If I'm not mistaken, in the original version, they were fighting because of the lead didn't want his friends to cheat and making CYQ broke her friendship with her best friend. Maybe for K version might has changes.

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Why did CW getting hit by his schoolmates? I don't think it's because of group meeting where he chose HN's scrunchies and I don't see that any rivals between the boys and the girls in the school. I hope we could find the answer in later episodes.

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Heads ~

Thanks for the recap !

naked from the waist up (multiple times!) without feeling a thing. Na-young says maybe she felt nothing, but would Won feel differently if the tables were turned?

LOL. Yikes. That would be hard to ignore. Makes for some good fan fiction.

Won, Won, Won ! Go ahead and kiss the girl.

Hasn't he seen The Little Mermaid ?

Kiss The Girl

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LOL @John, look what you've done. Now I can't get Sebastian's voice singing that song out of my head!

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Love this episode so much. CW and HN look really adorable and cute.

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Ha Na likes to act cool and pretend that nothing happens when she caught in embarrassing incidents such as farting in the car and when she woke up beside CW. When SJ tried to recall the incident, she got really annoyed.

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Enjoying the drama so far.I'm glad we are seeing HJW in a different light.I love her outfit,shoes and accesories.Totally loving this remake since I've seen the original. I hope that Hana will still play the innocent character unlike YQ in the original character.I would like her to be with Won till the end when they got married. I would like to see HJW in a wedding dress.Im pretty sure it will be awesome.Fighting.

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Oooh yes, HJW in a wedding dress! I don't think I've ever seen her in one. That would be a welcome sight. :) And I agree, one reason that's making me want to tune in every week is to see HJW's outfits. We're so used to seeing her in sageuk or tomboy attires that seeing her dress in normal, working woman clothes makes her look 1000x more beautiful.

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Oh God. I've been watching these episodes half-cringing and half laughing my ass off because...I've been there.

I've also have been bffs with a dude since we were in grade school, we were in the same grade, and were so tight our classmates figured we were dating.

We talk all day at school and then email long letters when we got home just talking about things. We can talk on the phone for hours about nothing at all or about serious stuff like our beliefs, our dreams.

When we parted at college, we still email each other long letters every day without fail.

The first person I would want to tell a good joke or speak to when I have a bad day or have awesome news would be him.

There is a kind of intimacy that I have with him that I don't have with other people. I'm open with him more than I'm open with my own family or my girl friends, I was confident that I can say anything to him, confess anything to him and he won't reject me or dismiss me. I don't have that with other people. Only him. There was actually a time where my own family forgot my birthday and he was the only one who remembered it, he actually (on his very limited budget) called me from his dorm room at Malaysia, where he had to climb to the room in order to get a signal for his cellphone. The call lasted seconds where the only thing he said was, "Happy birthday. I love you." And it meant a lot to me.

I don't have a lot of people whose love I can truthfully, honestly believe without a doubt, sure 100 %.

People often don't understand that kind of relationship and we've experience what CW and HN experienced, people wanting to dissect our relationship, pushing it into a stereotype, or into a logical shape that they can understand, people pressuring us to get together, people telling us that that's not normal...

It's hard keeping that kind of relationship without it getting weird, and hard not to let other people's opinions get in the way of a friendship like that.

When you're that close, when you're that entwined, you do get confused over the relationship, especially after you get bombarded with your other people's opinion. And you do get afraid of losing such a relationship. The fear is kind of mind-boggling.

It's just a mess. We were a mess.

He fell in love with me but he knew that I didn't have any feelings for him in that way, so he purposely drifted away from me for two years until an earthquake happened in my province (I'm totally serious) and he emailed me by the 100s asking me if I was okay. After I slapped him with an angry email (because he really did disappear on me, without explanation) we made up.

Surprisingly, we can still have 5 hours of conversations without stopping, we still have that bond. Both of us are trying to make our dreams come true (him with his music, me with writing) and his album and my book actually came out on the same month.

He has a family now, and I'm still happily single and we...

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He has a family now, and I'm still happily single and we don't communicate as we often do, but once in a while we chatted about the horrors of publishing and the music industry, the boredom of having to work a steady job to pay the bills, life in general, God, pumpkins, our newest projects, the frustrations of trying to get your work out there etc. The connection is still there.

Weird. So, I'm kind of enjoying this series because damn, I GET it. I LIVED it.

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Thanks Julia for your sharing!

I too believe that it is possible and that the opinions, expectations and pressures from others sometimes just add unnecessary pressure on a perfectly normal friendship.

So you've answered the question... can it happen and can it work. I was saying yes depending on the individuals and your experience supports that. All the best with your writing!

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Awww, thank you for the best wishes!

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Aw, thank you for sharing your story, Julia, and I love your happy ending.

For some reason, it also makes me sad. It reminds me of a friendship of mine that didn't have a happy ending. I think for some people, intense friendships tap the same juice as a romantic commitment. Once my friend had that person, he didn't have any time or emotional availability for the friendship, and cut it off really cruelly. I guess that's life!

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You do have a point. I remember that I didn't date at all, we didn't date at all when we were that close, probably because the emotional bond practically fed that side of us that needed it, so we were satisfied, we had this little world and didn't need anyone else. There was no space for anyone else. It's like we were in a relationship without the benefits.

It was only after feelings got in the way that things get screwy. LOL.

And I guess I understand what you're going through. He has a family now so we don't share the same intimacy that we had before, but whenever we have good news, or that he has a new song, we connect with each other again and catch up. It's not the same relationship but it's a grown up one I suppose.

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Thanks for sharing your story! ^^

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Thanks for sharing your story with us! You guys have a really cute friendship. ^^

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Nice relationship. Sorry to ask, but if your bff is just like CW, if he's still single, would you end up with him? Just a thought, really interesting because this kind of relationship is long lasting, in my opinion.

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Probably not.

I love him, but I've never been in love with him. There was never a spark for me which was a bummer. Serious bummer. He's a really good guy, smart and sweet, and thoughtful but I never really felt any sparks. I mean I thought about dating him and while it's sweet I can't picture myself kissing him, it would just be weird. LOL.

If only there was a spark, I would have gone after him so hard. XD.

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Wow Julia! That's a very special relationship! Tks for sharing.
May I ask a couple of questions?
How does his wife feel about you? Did you grow distant because of her or did it happen before he met her? I'm just curious.

I married my good friend but we were no where as close as Won and Hana, or you and your friend. We became closer only after we got together.

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Actually, he met his wife after we drifted a part, so we never really met but I think she knows about me because I saw her check me out on friendster one (yes, there was a friendster once), and whenever I was in his neighborhood, we usually meet up alone for dinner and catch up. He's really a family man, since I know he keeps his Saturdays and Sunday for family time, so I think she's fine with me. I'm no threat to her. LOL.

Awww, that awesome that you married a good friend. You should always be friends first then a couple, it usually helps with the relationship.

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Wow, now I'm compelled to share my own "been there, done that" story LOL
I too was smiling to myself while watching this drama :-)
I don't know if you're going to read this comment, @Julia, but thanks for sharing your story and I'm glad it's a happy ending for you!

I was also besties with this guy since highschool, were in the same class, did our hobbies together, talked for hours almost everyday on the phone, and our friendship continued through college. We were in the same faculty (in fact, it was our plan all along to go the same uni), and of course our friends began to think we're dating. Which eventually we did! All those people talking about us behind our backs (and in front of us as well LOL) eventually got to us, and we encountered those "two second awkward moments" staring each other LOL (I'm smiling to myself writing this because I never told this story to anyone, and look at what a drama can make you do! LOL)
Long story short, our "romantic" relationship only lasted a month, because we (I) realized that things just gotten more awkward since we started dating. We stayed friends, started dating other people while still telling everything about our respective dates to the other :-)
Until he got married. That was when our closeness went through an abrupt stop. I don't know what exactly happened. We just stopped texting or calling.
Now I'm also happily married. And that's the end I guess, LOL.

I guess like @GB said, it really depends on the individuals. In my case, it didn't work out! I once felt miserable for losing a best friend, but now I come to realize that it's just how things work. We weren't made to be, besties nor lovers, so I just have to live with it!

I haven't watched the original, so I'm VERY curious about how this story will unfold. I have a feeling it'll be a HEA ending, but who knows? ;-)

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I'm sorry to hear that. And yeah, it does depend on the individuals and whether one or two of you makes an effort to reconnect which we did.

Like I said, most of my friends are office workers including him but he's doing music on the side, so we have a bond of an artist trying to get our work out there 'cause no one else seems to understand why we feel the need to do this, why we don't just work our job, have our family and be happy with that.

Then there's pressure from our parents to do the same things.

So, you can say, we have an added need to console each other over our dreams.

He also likes to ask me about his songs and his lyrics and I enjoy brainstorming with him about my books.

It also helped that we hashed things out honestly, like why he drifted away. That's the difference between him and Won, while Won nested on his feelings, my friend didn't. He knew I didn't have romantic feelings for him and rather than nurturing the feeling, he cut himself off. A clean break, so he could get over me. So now that we've reconnect, there are no residual feelings, we could totally be just friends, so he handled it in a much healthier way than Won. LOL.

I didn't appreciate that at the moment when it happened. All I know that I lost my bestest friend in the whole world, the only person who I could totally be vulnerable. But now, I realized how unhealthy that relationship could have been if we continued, using each other for comfort and intimacy without actually being in a relationship.

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I feel like Won himself is not convinced about So-eun. He's never fully shown that he likes her, he just kinda goes with the flow that So-eun pushes him to. But I think part of it might stem from that bet with Hana to see who gets married first. I suspect he's never had a girlfriend, and feels the need to prove himself, to answer that taunt about whether his prickly personality can be loved. Other than the museum date, he hasn't really been proactively seeking out So-eun. It's like he's got some form of determination that he ought to try. And also give So-eun a chance.

I would have totally bought the thing about estranged parents making Won so anxious about romance. But this high school thing throws a spanner in the works. His anger seems more like a 'why are you guys stopping me?' (although there could be yet another third party, except he takes it out on the guys) than a rhetorical 'why can't I love her?' Bah, there goes all my theories again.

I'm glad Hana took the high road with Sung-jae, but damn, he's gone too soon. Would've been cool to have him around as a platonic sidekick after things got kinda cleaned up.

This episode felt a little disjointed compared to the rest though. Sung-jae's neat exit. The way Hana changed her mind suddenly about her friendship with Won (maybe 2min more brooding would smoothen it).

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Hyung!!!!! You finally show up. Love you!! I haven't watch the original version, so i skipped all the comment related to his role in original ver. I hope he will bring the extra dynamic with current otp. Why chakka-nim write So-eun character like this. I didn't have enough simpathy for her. I hope she'll show better character. I hate to watch the second lead get typical second lead bits.

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Maybe it's just me, but seeing Won's hair parted on the side for work and in the middle for after work is getting irritating. Who does that?

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I believe the production chose to go with the aggravating middle parting to lessen LJW's appeal (so that he can pass of as a boy/man next door), which, ughh...why would you do THIS to someone as good looking as LJW!! He can be a Greek God yet yearn for his bestie.

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Bonnie Raitt's "Let's Give Them Something To Talk About" comes to mind.

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i love this episode and waiting for next eps hana won hwating

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hana won hwaiting

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Won: Love is about loving the other person just the way they are.
Hana: But you are the only person who accepts me just as I am.
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Hana: I'll never find love and I'm going to die in an old folks home.

Girl's got to work on her inference skills!

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Actually this mirrors my thoughts... her only excuse, he did not respond to her question about whether he ever saw her as a woman. But really Ha Na! How obtuse can you be???

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About So Eun and Choi Won, I don't see any sparkling between them. Choi Won might see So Eun as a little sister as SE mentioned that she doesn't have brother or sister. It's different from the way he treated HN.

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Can't wait for the weekend, waiting for the night to come and i'm sitting in front of my laptop while watching this drama. Drinking coffee but will not eating the spicy chicken feet.

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@LeeDaHae
Yes, it is possible that Won does consider So Eun more like a little sister, and he definitely does not consider her at all close to him in the same way as Ha Na... so he does not treat them the same way... but So Eun is continually giving Won clear indication that she does not consider herself a 'sister' but a 'girlfriend'.

He cannot misunderstand what So Eun wants. Although he does not like So Eun romantically, he may be trying out a bit with her (since he is not supposed to be in love with Ha Na) to see how it goes... after all they have that $5,000 bet and he may be salvaging his pride to show that he can have a gf if he wants. But he is not 'dating' So Eun because he likes her in the right way.

What he is allowing So Eun to 'do to him' in agreeing to go out with her, although is understandable, is not wise. I feel we should not start something unless we are really committed into seeing it through all the way properly. Won should have nipped it in the bud the moment So Eun called herself his girlfriend. Now, she has the right to be 'officially' hurt, because she considers herself his gf. And she can then call for support from Mi Hyang to be on her side.

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Okay, I get your point. Let's wait and see how their relationship goes...:-)

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Well.. first of all all i would like to appreciate the both male and female leads... both are doing well... but i will appreciate Lee Jin Wook's acting... as i am seeing him very first time in any k drama... he is aweaome... about the drama i would say that about Ha na , choi won haven't tell her about his feelings as he afraid that he will lose his precious friendship but i think everyone always has to take step out of it and have to confess... you know it is important to let her know his feeling rather than giving the opportunity to others to take away her out of his sight forever... he know his feelings so what is keeping him away to letting her know his feelings... if he keep denying and keep lying himself .. and didn't confess on time. He will surely regret...

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