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Lovestruck in the City: Episodes 14-15 Open Thread

Much like our hero, I’ve been experiencing many ups and downs with this rollercoaster of a drama. I get the tiniest, tiniest bit of hope that things will somehow work out, and then that hope is immediately squashed. And now, being so close to the end, all I want to do is scream and punch my pillow.

 
EPISODES 14-15 WEECAP

Going into this week’s weecap, the first thing that comes to mind is ughhhh. Lovestruck’s story has been so slow and repetitive that I keep forgetting that the drama is almost over. It took 8 episodes for our main couple to reunite, 10 episodes for us to learn of the heroine’s past, and 13 episodes for the couple to have the closest thing to a mature conversation.

And now, here we are, in episode 14, and the couple is still acting petty. They lie to Eun-oh’s friends that they’re together to discuss a business deal, and they just have to put each other down (Eun-oh pretty much saying I wouldn’t work with your company and Jae-won retorting Well, we wouldn’t hire you, so there). *sigh* What am I gonna do with you kids…

Things have been happening far too late for the Yangyang couple, but also for our other characters. We’ve seen little hints here and there that there would be tension between Rin-yi and Kyung-joon — with her having multiple jobs and a frugal lifestyle while he has the exact opposite.

I’ve been waiting for this storyline to go somewhere, because Kyung-joon wants Rin-yi to change — go to college, chase her dream — and she won’t be moved. He offers to pay for her, like he always does, and it’s clear that this makes her uncomfortable. But much like our main couple, their conversations lead nowhere.

Meanwhile, Jae-won finds Eun-oh’s social media account, along with posts documenting all the times she missed him. He rushes over to her place to see her, so fast that he accidentally bumps into her car. She witnesses this and they OF COURSE blow up into yet another fight.

But I guess the drama itself is getting tired of their stupid fighting, because Eun-oh’s necklace breaks, sending their wedding rings to the ground. Seeing them, Jae-won is understandably confused by the Eun-oh who acts like she’s over him and the Eun-oh who still seems to love him.

“What’s your deal?” he demands, pinning her against her car. “Why are you tormenting me?” This time, when she tries to escape, he doesn’t let her go. He wants her to look him in the eye and tell him her true feelings. Overwhelmed with emotion, she just locks him in a kiss, giving him all the confirmation he needs.

Literally ten minutes later, however, Director-nim interviews them about the kiss and Eun-oh says that she regrets it. She admits that she likes Jae-won, but that he’s not her top priority right now.

Jae-won nearly goes crazy after this, but later, the two have a very honest conversation, where Eun-oh says that her top priority is finding her true self. Jae-won respects this and wishes her good luck, and the two exchange belongings (his cameras and her suitcase) as a sort of agreement. It’s actually my favorite moment of the entire drama 1) because, for once, they’re not screaming at each other and 2) because it shows the potential of real growth.

Elsewhere, Sun-young and Geon meet up and have a pretty open discussion about their relationship as well. Sun-young reveals just how special Geon is to her, in that he was the only one who could comfort her when she missed her late mother. In turn, Geon finally tells Sun-young what she’s always wanted to hear — that even if he saw his two best friends as women, he’d still see her as the prettiest. With that, they decide to officially end things on a good note.

The truth train keeps a’goin’, as Eun-oh sits her friends down and tells them that she’s the camera thief. It’s so hard for her to tell them the truth, since she’s so embarrassed about what happened. But Rin-yi and Geon assure her that the old her and new her are all Lee Eun-oh, and they love her.

The sudden maturity here is unexpected and refreshing, and I feel like I should be happy, but I’m not. Like I mentioned before, these emotional beats are happening way too late in the game. It’s like the drama was 80 percent setup and is only now throwing in the meat of the story.

There are still two episodes left, and I have no idea what the drama wants to do. I don’t even know how I want it to end anymore; I go back and forth just as much as the main couple does. But sadly, I know that whatever the outcome may be, all of the pain and frustration and yelling and pining wasn’t worth it.

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This drama is so Amazing!! I had originally dropped this drama and I didnt give it a chance, probably because I was still mad at Ji Chang Wook for his last and very controversial drama . I happened to stumble across some clips on Youtube and the clips were so good, I decided to watch the series. I literally beasted through the entire series and was BLOWN AWAY!! I knew the Director was good because its the same dude from Encounter and Its Okay not to be Okay but the acting prowess of Ji Chang Wook and Kim Ji Won in this drama has BLOWN ME AWAY.. I mean its too real... This is like a real look into relationships. I have cried too many times with Park Jae Won, especially on episode 8 at the bar. How he beautifully showcased being drunk and sad at the same time I will never know and how he said " Are you doing okay" and how he was dying little by little everyday... 😢😢😭😭....

I am so glad that Lee Eun Oh finally admitted how she felt for Park Jae Won but I loved her even more when she said she had to put herself first because she was her top priority. OMG I am about to cry.. too few times in relationships do we put ourselves first and decide to take care and love ourselves and get to know ourselves. I truly appreciate the writer and director for highlighting this. I am rooting for them though and hope that they can be in a relationship together at some point.

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Reading a fresh-eyed perspective is interesting. For many of us, we've been watching weekly and it's been painful at times, so many, many times. Maybe this drama just works better as a binge than a weekly.

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Yes, I can see how it drags for those who watch it weekly. I literally finished it in one day I think on Tuesday or Wednesday this week and personally, I was knocked out. The acting is amazing but its the raw emotions especially by Ji Chang Wook. I loved that he portrayed such a different character this time. Also, I get Lee Eun Ho perspective, she is not the woman she was pretending to be ( although I think she was a little like Yoon Seon Ha deep down). I think she is scared, its better to walk away on your own terms than to fail again and feel like the fool. I mean many have been there. IDK, I enjoyed this drama.. its different from typical K dramas and I like that.

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I think you are right. I joined late with low expectation. Binged watch it last weekend and love it. Watching it as one big chuck rather than slow dripping the story definitely help. I actually love how flawed and annoying these characters are. The speed of binge watching doesnt allow the frustration to linger and build up.

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Yes I'm also feeling icky watching anything of JCW but after watching several clips on my explore page, I caved. I still cringe at his solo scenes, esp in scenes designed to make you swoon for the character I just, yeah. Besides I'm enjoying this drama. Also, I started this drama on ep 5 or 6 so I wasn't affected by the slow pace so ha! I have no intention of watching the earlier episodes either

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"Like I mentioned before, these emotional beats are happening way too late in the game."
Yes, this, thank you. I've been trying to phrase it myself, but you made it better. Eun-oh persistence to withhold explanation due to her own insecurity, that she's still on that phase figuring out herself, is long understandable. Buuut, they should have wrap this up at least two episodes back. Part where Jae-won had to find out her feeling through fallen ring could have been replaced with Eun-oh confession itself. Why wasted time when the impact would be the same?

Now they have to rush everything. With only 1 episodes left (I consider the extra will not be related to main couple story), it feels like only Eun-oh character that will have real closure , while Jae-won just left undefined. Don't get me wrong, I like Jae-Won whom finally could give up his love-turn-to-obsession by respecting other partner choice. But I want to see how he get to that point, the process dealing with his long-due anger and frustration, instead of just watching him sitting in his bedroom after the last phone call and decided the very next day to let everything go. I also need part where he contemplates his own feeling knowing that the truth now is open and what his next step. Sort out his feeling and find a permanent way out, or waiting Eun-oh until who knows how long ?

Other couple: it's good for Geon and Sun-young to finally have clean break, although I don't see any other option than just go separate ways. It is more like closure to Sun-Young and don't do anything much to Geon. It was clear Geon has already moved own way back, considering the character didn't get much scene time telling his story.

Rin-yi and Kyun-joon. The problem they have is not about couple wanting different things. Their problem is Rin-Yi action and thinking as an adult. I would get it if she is struggling women who is still pursuing her dream and refused to live life by other people standard. But now she's more like hippie type for me and she's in her late 20s. She doesn't want stable job, she doesn't want get married, doesn't really have dream to pursue for. Does she have purpose in life whatsoever ? I feel like the show tries to portray her as this live in the moment person who value things not by its price, and Kyun-joo as this rich guy who can only pour his girlfriend with expensive things. Why they have to victimize Rin-yi as if she's not part of the main problem? I still don't get it. I hope Rin-yi would like to see things from Kyun-joo point of view and start to grow up,or break the relationship.

I hope they will end the show with MC has open ending where they are not together but there's still a chance for it (sort of ending of The Break-Up), Rin-yi and Kyun-Joon break up for good, Sun-young with new relationship but with changed attitude, Geon still be Geon, maybe decides to move from the house he shared with Eun-oh.

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Thank you @sailorjumun for your recap. You've hit it on the head. There's a lack of maturity, not to mention conversation skills, missing among all of them and I want to them all to grow up just a bit. (Exceptions for Kyung Joon and maybe Geun depending on the scene.)

I walked away from episode 15 feeling betrayed because the show could have been great, or at least less frustrating. They could've showed Eun Oh doing all things she wanted to do to become the person she wants to be (i.e., My name is Kim Sam Soon, & Pasta). Eun Oh still could have met Jae Won, been upfront about her fling and not wanting commitment, then gone off on a journey of self-discovery. She wanted to be a free-spirit, okay, let's see that - without Jae Won in her picture. Do the same for him as well. Later down the line, reconnect them and show us whether the flame is still burning between them. (think: Second 20s) Story doesn't change much, just restructured.

Instead, we got this jumble of confusion that's going to be rushed in the end. With no real character growth from any of the characters at all. This show leaves everyone thinking the same thing, "all of this could have been resolved if, at any point, she simply said I'm not looking for commitment right now. "

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Exactly. The fail expectation is not so much about the story and characters, but more on flow of the show. At this point, any revelation feels anti-climax. They opted for dragging the story instead of built the strong narratives upon character's intention. The revelation is long overdue, so is the excitement of the viewers.

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The drama has an uneven quality: I loved the use of interviews at the start and was sorry to see that wane as the drama got to the last episodes.

The English translation "lovestruck in the city" is inaccurate and I wonder if that is responsible for drawing in viewers who expected a romance. The more literal translation would be "the ways which urban men/women love", which may better reflect the drama's agenda.
Overall I appreciate the drama for its commentary on the frustrations and perils of modern dating in the city: toxic relationships, commitment phobes, personality mismatches, insecurities, gaslighting, catfishing, ghosting etc. Atypical material for most K-dramas with swoony heroes and happy endings, but relatable for anyone who's encountered and exhibited questionable behaviour in their real-life romantic relationships.

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I’m with you - lose half the early episodes of happy flashbacks and then give these stories a bit more time at this end, and it’s a much better drama.

It has managed to keep me watching though, which is more than I expected after the first couple of episodes.

Rin-I and Kyung-joon have such a real dilemma to me, she determinedly not changing things and him wanting to move things along. They really need to actually have the conversation.

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The drama should have skipped the Jae-won and Eun-o flashbacks entirely imo. Other than the time Eun-o told a couple that ordering ramen is for boring people and in ep 1 when few of us wrote Kim Ji-won looked unnatural, the flashbacks didn't add enough to justify itself. Without it, at least we would have been intrigued over the mystery of what had happened. The storytelling needed to be tighter in a show with 30 minute episodes.

Except for the fact that the ghosting Jae-won storyline went for far too long, I appreciate that the show presented extremely flawed but real life characters. Rin-yi needs to be honest with Kyeong-jun and though personally I think she is being really irresponsible towards him, I get that sometimes when the peace is too good, we delay saying things that need to be said. The character study of their relationship is something really interesting to me, because financial security imbalances in a couple is a problem that is far more accessible to me to understand in a way that problems between a brooding chaebol heir and a candy heroine are not.

Even with Sun-young and Geon, while I'm not one to talk to my ex over drinks about what went wrong and find closure, it's easy to empathize why these things happen during moments of vulnerability. A boy who can't get over a summer love and a girl who's embarrassed about a fling are also not uncommon. In fact, we all could have found a friend or a friend of a friend who could have starred in this show.

But regardless of what happens in the next episode, Lovestruck will have been a disappointment. While I appreciate what the drama was trying to do, the execution was really wanting.

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But what exactly has Rin-yi been dishonest about?

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she isnt being dishonest. but if you've been together for some 5 years and your boyfriend is offering to pay for you to go to school, it should be clear what's on his mind. I just think it'd just be manners to tell him that she has no plans of getting married, but he's welcome to stick around. I think it's pretty clear she's uncomfortable with his spending big $$ on her, and these things can't be unrelated, esp if she sees herself as hers but he thinks of them as one unit.

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Agree that RY knows very well that KJ wants her to get a full-time job and the necessary qualifications, but she said last week that she has already made it very clear to him that she likes living the way she does.

What isn't clear between them is the issue of marriage, and as I've mentioned before, if he has never mentioned marriage there's no reason why she should. Actually I'm starting to wonder if he really wants to marry her. Her friends think he does, and I used to think so too, but I'm getting the impression - and I hope I'm wrong - that he'll only marry her if she becomes the kind of adult that he wants.

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She doesn’t seem to have explained why she likes it. It’s pretty hard to understand why someone would like scraping by (one set of bedding!) when they don’t have to.

I can understand not wanting to take action because you like things the way they are. But things change around you even if you don’t want to change.

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@beffels Personally I could never live the way she does. (Also, everyone knows that your stuff will last much longer if you alternate between at least two sets!) But I don't think she needs to explain why she likes her lifestyle or why she dislikes 9-to-5 jobs. What's important is that she is truly happy as she is, as she told KJ (and has apparently told him before). And though her lifestyle is precarious in some ways (e.g. what will happen if she has a serious illness?), in other ways it seems kind of compatible with a rapidly changing society. IMO RY is better at dealing with change than a lot of people. She takes the fluctuating job market in her stride, and relies on the kindness of various friends when her grandmother is hospitalised. Her mother seems to have left her and her granny to shift for themselves in Korea, but she has no problem flying all the way to the UK to visit her. One thing is for sure: she's certainly more dynamic than her two friends.

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@knewbie I mean I guess she doesn’t owe anybody an explanation, but if you’re with someone for a long time and you don’t feel like sharing that it’s not a good sign. Along with if you don’t ever want to get married but you’re not willing to say that to them...I don’t know, I find it irritating 😅

I have a family member who along with her husband moves about from job to job and place to place, they’re so careful of accumulating ‘stuff’ that she only has one pen at a time, which I find mind boggling....I could never live the way they do but it works for them, so all power to them - but they’re both on the same page which is the important thing.

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@beffels Re: RY and marriage. I dunno. In less enlightened situations, there's no guarantee that one's boyfriend would eventually pop the question, so if he has been silent on the topic for 5 years one might perhaps be forgiven for tiptoeing around it too, in case he is (or claims to be ) repelled by your neediness. (I suspect something similar happened to Eun-oh.)

More recently, the belief that romantic commitment doesn't have to involve marriage has become more and more common, even in a relatively conservative country like Korea. In such a climate, one might plausibly attribute the same belief to a boyfriend who has never mentioned marriage in half a decade.

My point is: whoever RY really is and whatever her faults, IMO she's not obliged to share her views on marriage if KJ doesn't ask. The same goes for KJ.

Tbh I don't particularly like either character. But I can't see why RY has to be the one to speak up when it is actually KJ who wants things to change. If after 5 years he still can't change her or accept her for who she is, then he should just say so, and end the relationship.

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@beffels ONE PEN!?!?

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knewbie: the belief that romantic commitment doesn't have to involve marriage has become more and more common"

Some social scientists and economists think that this is driven by worsening job quality. People without education performing menial jobs cannot afford to marry and have a family, although they may cohabit and have children out of wedlock. On the surface it may seem like a choice but it is really an almost inborn reaction to income instability and economic uncertainty. Contract/gig employment is also justified by this supposed freedom to work when one wants as much as one wants.

Why would Rin-yi adopt this life style and build her identity around it is unclear.

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@knewbie I know, right? I thought she was joking but....she was not joking. I understand minimalism is a thing but that’s too much for me.

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@nicholas RY might already have made that link herself, and consciously too. The marriage issue came up when she and her two friends were talking about how hard it was to keep financially afloat, let alone be members of an exclusive gym. She even asserted that making a living takes priority over dating and marriage. And all this even though almost everyone assumes that she will land on her feet thanks to her association with KJ.

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@nicholas Regarding why RY has chosen this lifestyle, no explicit explanation has been given, as you said, but it's interesting that the only character who needed and wanted a full-time job, Eun-oh, failed resoundingly to find one, and has ended up trying to set up her own business. The characters with stable employment are either working in a family firm or the civil service. Most tellingly, it's the civil service (teaching at elementary school) that KJ suggests as a possible full-time job for RY.

All this suggests to me that EO's efforts in the area of full-time employment, though more conventional, are not much more rewarding than RY's endeavours in the gig economy. At least RY is seen working - in a supermarket, in a cafe, walking dogs, etc. EO is forever at the mercy of companies like the one in Busan or Jae-won's architecture firm (where she only managed to get her foot in the door through personal connections).

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"it's the civil service (teaching at elementary school) that KJ suggests as a possible full-time job for RY."

I think he suggested an elementary school teaching job because it is still a professional, stable and respected job, but it does not require high level skills and/or long hours that middle and high school teaching jobs or work in a company demand. Plus, I don't know about S Korea, but in some countries one can get a certificate to teach elementary school without having a college degree. My understanding is that RY does not have an undergraduate degree.

But I understand what you are suggesting in " The characters with stable employment are either working in a family firm or the civil service." And it goes together with worsening labor conditions around the world (except maybe for China and related fast growing economies). Working in a family business is not a new phenomenon -- in most cultures (except maybe the Anglo-American culture in which parents often prefer to pass on to their children money, i.e., capital, rather than skills or a company) if there is a family business, parents usually want this business to continue (rather than selling it) and their children to take over. And it is in itself not a bad thing, what is bad is the lack of opportunities and proper employment for those without family business or connections.

Geon in essence leveraged RY social connections to get Eun-oh a job, but two things: a) Eun-oh has a degree and some experience (even if unsuccessful) that RY lacks and b) Eun-oh was probably motivated to do a good job by Jae-won being around.

The story about RY's mother and why she returned from London (which is apparently not to console Jae-won as everyone assumed; just like I don't think Geon moved in to keep the flat warm) suggests at some effort on the part of RY to prove something to someone, like her mother. And this endeavor is obviously more important to her than her relationship with KJ.

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"All this suggests to me that EO's efforts in the area of full-time employment ... are not much more rewarding than RY's endeavours in the gig economy. ... EO is forever at the mercy of companies"

Here's my take on this, and I understand that everyone is different. Between high school and college and in early years in college, I had to (not wanted to) do gig work. I did seasonal work for a season. It was a landscaping and plant nursery retailer: you get hired in March part time, become full time April-May, back to part time in August-Sep, laid off Oct, go on unemployment benefits for the winter until you get rehired in March next year. There are people who do this for a living. I also did dishwashing, flyer delivery, car sales, contract interpreter, bingo night service at a church, etc. Some of the jobs were no longer than a month or two, either because something happened (the restaurant had a fire and closed, I could not sell enough cars in a month) or you are no longer needed. Two obvious things: a) there is no way to have a career, build on your skills and get better pay, because there is no continuity in your jobs and because the gig employer will rather fire you than pay you more (and then rehire you as if you were a new employee) -- when you focus on the same set of skills (like Eun-oh on marketing), there is at least hope that you will get better and eventually get there and have a career, not so in a gig economy ; b) I get how people are at "the mercy of companies" in big companies - this is even worse in gig employment - you are at the mercy of the company and everything else (e.g., accidental fire), there are no benefits, severance pay, layoff notification, nothing; c) gig employment is high-stress survival through and through, and it takes a toll on your body and mind; people in menial jobs have much worse health and live shorter lives.

I think that gig employment is bad not only for the people engaged into it but also for the society as a whole. Proliferation of gig employment signifies impoverishment and generational breakdown of societies. There is really no reason for part-time gig employment to exist to a large extent. Western societies love references to ancient Greek or Roman sources. So, to support this point, I will make a reference to the Laws of Solon in Athens from the 6th century BC (see Leao and Rhodes). One of the laws of Solon was that the father must teach his children skills or a craft, and when he fails to teach this to his children, then his children do not have to take care of him in his old age (there was a law that children must take care of their parents). The reason this law was enacted is because Solon and the ancients recognized that skills and crafts provide for wealth and prosperity. After the ancient Greek, I always say: "Skillfulness = godhoodness".

So, whatever happened to RY, eventually she needs to recognize these 'realities' of life.

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@nicholas I don't teach at elementary school, but I assure you that it requires as much skill, effort and time as teaching at other levels. KJ even states that he'd pay for RY to go to education college to get the teaching qualification, so it's clearly not an easy ride. If KJ had suggested elementary school teaching cos he thought it was easier, then he clearly doesn't think much of his girlfriend. But actually I got the impression that he was just casting about for something that he thought might suit her preferences, in this case her fondness for children.

I don't think KJ is more or less important to RY than her lifestyle. In the first place, there is no way RY could even suspect that KJ is unhappy with her life choices, since he has always framed his objections as concern for HER happiness. Rather than believing her when she says she's perfectly content, KJ constructs elaborate falsehoods, ostensibly to alleviate her hardships, but - since she clearly doesn't regard them as hardships - actually just to make himself feel better. Enough of all the posing as the supportive, accepting boyfriend; KJ needs to tell RY that her lifestyle is making HIM (not her) unhappy. Only then can the two of them come to a compromise (or just split up).

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@nicholas I just realised that my earlier comment might give the impression that I’m addressing the relative merits of various forms of employment, and defending the gig economy. You’re preaching to the converted; actually I believe that the gig economy is one of the worst manifestations of capitalism, and none of its so-called "advantages" makes up for its privileging of profit over people. All I was saying was that the difference between full-time jobs and part-time gigs is narrowing (and it’s a development that I deplore). With no daddy’s company to fall back on or the civil service to prop her up for life, Eun-oh’s position is not much more stable than Rin-yi’s.

I’m sure almost all young Koreans are aware of this, which means that those who decide that full-time employment is not worth the struggle may not be as thoughtless or reckless as they appear to be. In any case, alternative lifestyles are hardly a recent phenomenon. People who prefer to drift from job to job have existed for centuries, and if they believe their way of life is best for them, and they hurt no one in the process, then I don't think anyone has the right to judge them for it. Why do we assume that RY is unrealistic or ignorant just because she has taken a different, difficult path? How do we know she hasn't carefully weighed the pros and cons, and concluded that the pros outweigh the cons? Also, what counts as pros and cons is different for different people. Like the protagonist of Murata Sayaka's novel Convenience Store Woman, RY knows exactly what she wants from life, and neither I nor KJ should presume to know better than her.

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Elementary school -- arithmetic, alphabet, some art, child development and psychology (aka being good with kids), work ends when children go home, no weekend work;
High school -- algebra, pre-calculus or calculus (depending on curriculum rigor), grammar and style, textual analysis and world lit, specific subjects, extensive lesson prep, testing and grading, commanding respect of 12-18 year olds (and even older depending on country);
Private sector - pressure, stress, nasty bosses, deadlines, giving presentations and writing proposals, endless meetings and emails, zooms, technical research, a stream of data in -- decision-making out, long hours
I don't know - seems to me like the skillsets are different.

"If KJ had suggested elementary school teaching cos he thought it was easier, then he clearly doesn't think much of his girlfriend."

I would use the word 'fit'. RY would be a good fit to teach elementary.

I don't think people like their romantic interests because of academic performance or high intellectual ability or promising earning potential. People like their romantic partners because they like them. This, however, should not prevent them from realizing that their boy/girlfriend is completely useless in math, can't work in a high pressure company or lacks high income earning potential. No one is perfect.

One can impose conscious limitations on the dating partner: like being of the same socioeconomic status, religion, ethnicity, high earning potential, a graduate of an Ivy League school, a member of Mensa society, etc. But this would not be romantic love, so no point in discussing it here.

" KJ needs to tell RY that her lifestyle is making HIM (not her) unhappy."

Yep, I agree on this. When couples first pair up, it may not be clear to each other their life approaches, but at some point they need to discuss how they will live together and what matters in life to them. But in real world, talking is hard to do, not everyone can communicate openly and well, not everyone can articulate clearly their position (talking about cognitive processes). People are some time unsure where they stand on issues: is it worth losing a long-term partner over a life style thing, may be the partner changes his or her mind? -- these are all hard decisions to make. Even RY could change her mind, a couple of painful injuries lifting heavy boxes in a store may clear her mind.

"All I was saying was that the difference between full-time jobs and part-time gigs is narrowing (and it’s a development that I deplore)."
One needs to keep in mind that these trends rarely go on forever in a straight line. RY is ~30, that is she has another 30-35 years of work. I full expect this trend to stop and may be even reverse even in the West one way or another. This is a political economy issue outside of the scope of this discussion. People have short but also long lives, what is true today may not be true tomorrow.

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"Eun-oh’s position is not much more stable than Rin-yi’s."
Yes, at the moment, but Eun-oh's job is physically less demanding and intellectually more stimulating. In the last episode, she was walking around with her walky-talky giving orders, listening to music... totally not like being a cashier.

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In the last episodes, the KJ and RY issues moved from being between them to being between them and the outside world. Seems to me KJ himself may not care what jobs RY does and how she lives (except may be to the extent that she should be available to him for 'romantic' get together), but he seems to want her to add to his missing self-esteem and win approval of his parents. That's why he lied to his uncle about what RY does. In other words, he is "ashamed" to take her to his parents in her present state.

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@nicholas No that is not all there is to elementary school. Why do you assume that children are easier to manage than teens and adults? And speaking as someone who has taught at elementary school in the past and who has friends who are still doing so in various countries (including Korea), l can state for a fact that elementary school education involves all the things you mentioned for the private sector. Yes, including research. For example, how language or maths should be taught at elementary school level is a very tricky issue, requiring a great deal of thought and technical expertise. And though school hours might be short, actual work hours (planning lessons, marking work, dealing with some pupils' personal issues, etc) are incredibly long, stretching into the evenings and over weekends.

I was actually quite shocked that KJ had taken his lying so far. I think you're right that he's ashamed of RY.

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"elementary school education involves all the things you mentioned for the private sector."
I have hard time seeing how working for a private company is similar to teaching in an elementary school. I have attended an elementary school and been around people with kids talking about elementary schools. I can't see how those are similar. Sorry.

"Yes, including research. how language or maths should be taught at elementary school level is a very tricky issue"

Yes, but, these issues are not decided on the level of elementary school teachers. Highly qualified educators in a department of education, or a school district, or some educational program decide this (except in the US, where the educational system is a hodgepodge of patch-works). Singapore Ministry of Education, for example, publishes text books, work books and teacher manuals for elementary schools. Lesson plans, tests, explanations -- everything is in the teacher's manual. For someone with a college education - it's like nothing. There is a company that translates these books into English and sell them around the world -- Singapore Math -- look it up, super popular, very good to teach math to kids, I would highly recommend. Singapore Math sells math and science teaching packages through middle school.

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@nicholas I’m glad you mentioned Singapore, because I have some knowledge of its education system. Primary school teaching may be different in nature from a private sector job, but it does not lack the latter’s challenges. I’m certain that many primary school teachers would agree that their jobs involve “pressure, stress, nasty bosses, deadlines, giving presentations and writing proposals, endless meetings and emails, zooms, technical research, a stream of data in -- decision-making out, long hours”. (The Zoom thing only started last year, of course.) They don’t write the kind of proposals that you have in mind, but they do have to write reports to do with, say, risk assessment of proposed activities or problematic pupils. They have to deal with a neverending stream of new information about 100 or more pupils and how they are doing academically and personally; extracurricular activities; new initiatives; pupils’ parents; etc. They have to make decisions about how to process and apply that information. And frequent and interminable meetings are a downright plague in Singapore schools.

It is true that the curriculum planning division of Singapore’s education ministry provides lesson plans, pedagogical guidelines, work books, etc. But if they were genuinely useful, the country would not have such a thriving private tuition industry. It’s one thing to have a lesson plan or work book or teaching package, but quite another thing to use it properly. Many schools (as well as university-educated teachers) struggle to apply the recommended pedagogies effectively, especially as the materials provided by the curriculum planners are not always aligned with the Primary School Leaving Examinations. Teachers preparing students for the exams – or interested in actually educating them – almost always feel the need to supplement the ministry’s methods and materials, sometimes quite extensively. Little wonder that many teachers have left the civil service for the private tuition sector, where – relieved of their other duties - they can analyse the requirements of the PSLE at their leisure.

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"about 100 or more pupils"
Class sizes in the primary school in Korea are smaller than that, and I hear they are shrinking to 20-30 students. One teacher teaches one class - 20-30 students -- piece of cake.

"problematic pupils"
Seoul is not inner city New York or 20th arrondissement of Paris.

"they were genuinely useful, the country would not have such a thriving private tuition industry."
That's because parents with plentiful resources want to give their children an edge vs the rest of student body. This will always be this way no matter how good the general educational system is. I think the Singapore educational ministry publishes additional educational resources for tutoring and those who want extra training. I am pretty sure there are issues in Singapore and Korean primary schools, but things are not that bad.

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@nicholas Of course class sizes are smaller than 100, but most primary school teachers in big cities end up teaching at least 4 classes of around 20-30 students. That makes 80-120 students in total. Even if you're fortunate enough to get 100 pupils of uniform ability, you'd still have to keep track of what each student's strengths and weaknesses are, whether they are getting along with their classmates, etc.

I have no idea what it's like in inner city New York etc, but many teachers in Asia tell me that behavioural problems among children have increased significantly in the last 2 decades, owing to factors such as higher divorce rates, economic insecurity and the pressures of social media. Anyway, if you have just 2-3 problematic pupils among 80, you still need to write reports on them. And teaching involves a lot more admin work (report writing, form filling, etc) than many people are aware of. Just ask any teacher in Singapore.

Singaporean parents and other Asian parents have often been criticised as "tiger" parents. But although many engage private tutors to give their children "an edge", as you say, many others just want their children to survive the system. That the Singapore ministry has found it necessary to respond to the private tuition phenomenon by providing additional resources (most of them online) just goes to show that it is a real problem. Why would an already adequate system require bolstering? As a matter of fact I was indirectly involved in this initiative, and I heard many curriculum planning officers privately commenting that it was piecemeal and superficial, completely unable to address deeply entrenched issues. E.g. face-to-face teaching and especially private tuition allow a student's specific problems to be spotted and resolved much more quickly and directly than any quantity of resources.

A few years ago I spoke to an elementary school teacher who had moved from Seoul to a rural area in Jeollanam-do. Her account of her experience in Seoul sounded very similar to that of Singapore teachers. In Jeollanam-do things are better owing to the smaller number of students (smaller class sizes being a very simple solution that the Singapore ministry has fluffed by simultaneously reducing the number of teachers). But even so, challenges like a disproportionately heavy admin workload and curriculum inadequacies remained.

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@nicholas I should add that the student to teacher ratio might be around 30:1, but each teacher would still have to teach their subject to around 80-100 students, mark the corresponding amount of work at least once a week, conduct lessons for at least 4 separate groups of students at least once every two days, and so on.

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"each teacher would still have to teach their subject to around 80-100 students"

I went to an elementary school where the same teacher taught all subjects (which would be basic things) throughout the day to a class of ~30 students. I think this is the same in primary schools in Korea, may be I am wrong.

"behavioural problems among children have increased significantly in the last 2 decades, owing to factors such as higher divorce rates, economic insecurity and the pressures of social media"

Right -- cut throat competition in the private sector creates economic insecurity and dysfunction in the family that then percolate into schools in the form of developmental and personality disorders among students. Parents worry that their children will become gig employees and seek to give the kids an edge over other kids even if it is a rather futile effort, given that the educational system already teaches very well. Here's my prediction, soon these parents will figure out that the more efficient way to go is to undermine the education of other kids than to give their own kids an edge. This will take place in the form of separation of the education system in two tiers: the public/free schools with poor training and private/expensive schools with relatively adequate training.

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@ nicholas I went to an elementary school where I had different teachers for almost all subjects, except English and Maths in the first two years. In any case, some elementary schools, especially in rural areas, would probably have far fewer students. In Singapore, primary school teachers have recently started to teach fewer subjects and more classes. Those who teach subjects like the so-called “mother tongue” have always had more than one class of students.

I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about re: personality disorders and the separation of the education system. I was referring to something that is a genuine problem for schools and teachers – the fact that there are more elementary school students these days who come from broken homes, are abused or neglected, require financial help, are bullies or bullied, suffer from mental health issues, get into trouble with the police, etc.

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I'm watching Lovestruck quite erratically and inattentively (I'm saving my full attention for the PIKA I mean LUCA looniness), so I'm not terribly exercised by the poor structure and pacing, or particularly engaged by any character.

At the end of the day, Lovestruck might simply be a daily drama for the smartphone age. For all its fancy trappings and intimations of reality, the show is just stringing us along with its never-ending personal and romantic complications.

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Screaming and punching the pillow (better that than a wall) is about right.

So Eun-oh needs to 'find herself'. I didn't know she was lost. This kind of psychobabble drives me nuts- particularly when wedded to the notion that this requires some sort of solitary journey. We really are not solitary creatures by nature- how can you find yourself all alone when that defies our human nature as social beings? I can guarantee that the self you find that way will be a false picture, not a true one.

It is long since time that a lady who has confidence in herself showed up and took Jae-won away from her. It is a pity that Eun-oh may discover too late that while she was finding herself she was losing everything else. But maybe that is the moral to this show- people who are finding out things too late should have paid attention sooner.

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Your comment has resonated with me. Could we rebrand the "finding one's self" journey? Maybe call it the process of improvement? I think the "self-discovery journey" is one filled with action. Basically a person trying new things and making themselves available to new experiences. Going outside your comfort zone to learn something about yourself that you didn't know before. I agree that, that sort of introspection doesn't happen in isolation. However, I do think it's important a person be alone at sometime to reflect on themselves. Am I not fully understanding your comment?

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Solitude and self-reflection are not the same thing as complete autarky. Of course they are good things- that we are social beings does not preclude taking time out for knowing yourself- which is always a good idea. The problem is that Eun-oh is making the claim that she has to preclude having an important life relationship in order to do this.

But part of who we are includes knowing how and why we interact with others- precisely because we are not naturally solitary creatures. And that does not just include friendships and casual acquaintances or work relationships. It also includes her relationship with Jae-won and, before that, with her ex. By thinking that she can find herself after cutting off Jae-won she has deprived herself of some extremely important data about herself- so the image of herself that she is creating as her view of herself must therefore be a false picture- and this is why she is in fact unhappy and has been ever since returning to Seoul.

The weird thing is that she acknowledges that Jae-won coming into her life was an important event. The problem is that she refuses to acknowledge what it really meant. So she continues to make bad choices.

We should all be on a self-discovery journey. Learning new things for instance- we have just completed a course on the history of India, for instance. I had absolutely no idea of what Indian society was like or where it came from before now- yet the peoples of South Asia comprise one fifth of humanity. Now I have at least a clue or two.

And trying new things. It may be minor but learning how to side-load an Android device may be minor- but it gives one insight not only into one's own competence but how competence works in general.

And the journey can also include learning a new (or old) language. My son wanted to read an early statistical work by Bernoulli- which was written 4 centuries ago in Latin. He could purchase an English translation for $600 or the original Latin for $40. He knew a little bit of Latin because he goes to a Latin mass church. So he purchased the Latin version. I handed him my Wheelock and wished him luck. He has already translated the Introduction and is now into the first chapter. Learning a language is a major journey of self-discovery all by itself.

Even in this time of relative isolation we can still be on a journey of self discovery. And taking time for introspection is a good thing. But there needs to be balance in ones life. Time for reflection is a good idea- unless it is carried to excess which is what Eun-oh is doing. And it is not working- as the anguish she expressed to her friends showed us in the last episode. She discusses old Eun-oh versus new Eun-oh and has concluded that they may be the same. As long as she denies her need for Jae-won in her life she is probably right. The truth is that she needs to take another look at her life on Jejudo and realize what that meant about the real Eun-oh.

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It's not a secret that I'm not a huge fan of Eun Oh's, but I do think I understand her abstaining from dating. I did the same thing for one year while I was in college. I had just gotten out of a long-term, increasingly emotionally abusive, relationship. After the breakup, my mother called me almost everyday for two months peppering me with questions like, "What makes you happy?; Have you tried anything new lately?; Have you went anywhere different for a change?" I would end those calls devastated because I simply couldn't answer those questions. I felt so lost and had no clue what I was doing with myself. I knew I couldn't get into another relationship after that so I stopped dating altogether. Instead, I dedicated the time to strengthening friendships, traveling, and exploring different opportunities. When I wanted to date, I got dressed up and dated myself. I went to the movies, galleries, dinner; literally anything you would do on a first date I did it. That time changed my life because I learned my likes and dislikes outside the purview of someone else. I wasn't influenced by someone else's taste. I did what I wanted with who I wanted. That time served as the foundation for my next serious relationship which resulted in my marriage.

With this experience in mind, this is why I'm so critical of this drama. We could have seen Eun Oh take a similar journey, possibly through growing her business or trips with her friends. We witnessed very little of Eun Oh's metamorphosis. A year later, and she hasn't taken many steps to get her to her next phase. If all of this was supposed to be about her growth then the show should have shown us a woman trying to stretch and improve.

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Your own experience was painful but it was also a healthy one. You were very wise in how you handled the situation and you grew from it.

Your observation that Eun-oh really has not been growing is spot on. Sadly, she started to grow on Jejudo- and particularly with Jae-won but then decided to throw that growth away out of sheer insecurity and fear. That is what I find infuriating- first she grew and was headed towards a very happy life and then she went backwards. And that is just crazy.

It is true that going forward would have meant a moment of embarrassment. As we have seen, Jae-won could have handled the reveal and her friends would have been there for her and probably would have been happy for her. And she would have been able to move forward with even greater confidence in Jae-won's love- and with that an increased awareness of her own value.

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I think it is also her "friends" who are keeping her from exploring more. On the surface, the friendship (from kindergarten!) of these individuals looks admirable, but there are these little things that make it feel creepy. In the apology, Eun Oh said that she did not want them to know what happened and she pretended like nothing happened. But pretending like nothing happened is essentially going back to the way things were. Seems that you mother played a huge role encouraging you to self-explore. Eun Oh just does not have that type of support. Now I am oscillating between considering her to be just a "horrible" person and thinking that maybe it is her so-called friends who make her to be this way. I express this view in some previous post, if she could shake off the friends, she could be happier. And it maybe that on some level she realizes that the choice is between her hapless friends and successful Jae-won.

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This is such an interesting take. You are correct finding oneself isn't a solitary journey, but I think part of what she meant was she couldn't give him the amount of love he needed in order to be in a relationship. She wanted to give all her love to herself and if she was with him, she would have to split that love.

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Agree with your take. She was in self hatred mode to the point of abonding herself and take on a new personality. She now want to focus all her energy on herself and not getting distracted with new relationship. Which i think is fair enough.

How many of us who conform to fit into new relationship? If you don't have a good understanding of yourself, you can easily loose your sense of identity.

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Yes, exactly. My only problem is that she didn't tell him that and he deserved to know.

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If only EunOh had told from the very beginning JaeWon that she needed time to find her place, as the kind and caring person JaeWon is, he would have reacted the same way he did when he learned: giving her space. And then the drama could have been not about “dating” but about a woman who struggles to find her place after her whole world had fallen apart. Even if I can understand the hell EunOh has been through, I can’t support her because she knew the hell JaeWon was going through and did nothing. JaeWon is true when he tells her she’s selfish. And coward, I may add.

As for the other two couples, I also loved the earnest conversation between Geon and SunYoung, it felt much real. And it’s not only SunYoung the one that feels lonely. I didn’t like the girls reaction when Geon told them he had broken up with SunYoung. He needed to talk about how he felt, and he was dismissed in a minute. I was specially shocked by Rin-I.

And final JunKyung and Rin-I need to have a very serious conversation. If they go on like this, I can’t see them as a couple anymore. They are not on the same path anymore. Rin-I lifestyle is more than frugal... only one set of bedding? Really? They do love each other, but love is not enough. This whole situation is driving JK crazy and he’s not telling him. It they don’t have that honest conversation (as the other two couples did) they might end up saying things they regret.

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All of this this, especially the last paragraph. One set of bedding isn't frugal, it is cheap and silly.

Also I'm still annoyed Eun Oh apologized to her friends, but not Jae Won. Just two words I am sorry. He is super understanding. He honestly deserves better.

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Jae-won is not perfect but I have to wonder what sin he committed in a past life to deserve this.

My favorite imaginary ending for this show would have Eun-oh watching Jae-won riding off into the sunset with another woman.

Alas Jae-won has made it clear that he is willing to forgive Eun-oh and move forward with her. Fortunately Eun-oh is not listening so I continue to have hope.

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I agree that Eun Oh is immature, selfish and coward. I do appreciate that she agreed immediately when JaeWon said that to her. This drama is aware that they are presenting flawed characters and toxic relationships and not trying to frame it to something else.

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People get to know themselves by getting out there, doing challenging things, making new friends and relationships and 'yes' loving others. How else does one get to know oneself? Certainly not by sitting at home.

In this latest episode, the three kindergarten friends revealed themselves to be complete losers. Eun Oh revealed herself to be dull, stubborn and passive aggressive - a jilted woman with significant baggage, bad attitude, negative disposition and revolting body language. Jae Won offers her to move on, yet she insists on wallowing in self-pity, pretending that she somehow is achieving a better understanding of herself. I am now with those who think Jae Won has to stop pursuing her. The supposed crew gives him the right advice - "go see someone else!"

Sun-young and Geon break up must be final. Unlikely, but I hope we see Kyun-joo split from Rin-yi in the next episode and Jae Won picks up a new interest in the final. He is 'crazy' but not crazy. Anything else would just be setting Jae Won, Kyun-joo and Sun-young on a lifetime of torture.

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She's not a loser. It takes courage to admit your own flaw and accept your pity self and grow from it. Jae-won didn't offer her anything anyway. And she didn't have obligation to take him back. I am sorry for Jae-won, but except for apology and the truth, she owes him nothing.

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Maybe this is a bit harsh. How about this, she is not an easy person to get along with, she is difficult, and this gets in the way of many of her things. I like Jae won. I do not want him to end up with her. I agree she owes him nothing (what was Jae-won suppose to offer her?), and I don't want him to think that they will somehow get it to work. They will not (I am not sure that the main leads in Run On will stay together for long). Episode 15 should be really the end of the show, unless they want to show Rin-yi breaking up Kyun-joo and getting together with Geon.

I am having in the background 'My secret Romance' playing, another drama where a dream girl disappeared after a short fling because of humiliation. But Eun-Oh and Yu-mi is like night and day. I wish Jae-won met someone like Yu-mi, Jin-Wook does not deserve Yu-mi. Can we have a drama hybrid?

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I feel that Eun-oh is timid and self-doubting, but above all, she is not very emotionally and professionally intelligent.

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She is passive aggressive, she knows what she is doing. The annoying thing is that she is not breaking up with Jae-won (she did not say 'take care' when they exchanged things), she will torment him at his company. In real life, he would eventually need to get a restraining order from a person like that...

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I really do not want to inflict Rin-yi on Geon unless she changes her attitude towards living- which might happen if she loses Kyun-joo. The shock would be a wake-up call.

Jae-won had already given her everything he could- so the question becomes what more could he offer and then why should he?

Jae-won meeting Yu-mi would be perfect. Or just about any character played by Park Eun-bin.

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How would Rin-yi and Geon provide for themselves? Geon is a free-lance writer who doesn't seem very motivated to actually write. Rin-yi acts like a drifter with little motivation to do much of anything else. They'd live on ramyeon for the rest of their lives.

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Maybe Rin-yi not wanting to marry Kyun-joo and not getting a proper job is her passive aggressive way of getting rid of him. Their romance was not romantic, it was the opposite of it, he really hounded her into 'submission' (if you will), which tells us something about his level of self-esteem. And he is clearly a second fiddle to Jae-won in the company, even though both are architects.

The writer owes us an explanation as to why Rin-yi picks on Geon.

It also feels like Geon is in the story to be the opposite of Jae-won in terms willpower, perseverance and getting the girls of his dreams. While Jae-won is willful and proactive and is all out to get the girl who he likes, Geon is listless and passive. I think that Sun-young came back to Geon to have a take 2 of the break-up expecting a different outcome. She told him that the first time they broke-up, she did not really want to break up, she wanted that he a) told her that he did not like the two other girls and b) tried to stop her from breaking with him. In take 2, he did a) but not b), and she left. Watch in the final episode, they have take 3, where he does a) and b). Getting emotion from Geon is like pulling teeth...

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And what's up between Rin-yi and Geon? -- all the antagonism. Is she secretly after him? Them two hooking up together would be the right move too.

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I want to talk about Eun-oh’s character, since she has now basically come clean about everything.

I kind of get her now, tbh; when you don’t know yourself, when you don’t love yourself, it’s hard to reckon or believe that someone else can. I think she realizes the need to love herself before she can receive love without feeling guilty about it, and without harbouring any deep-seated insecurities and inhibitions. It’s just unfortunate that the realization and the healing process comes so late in the series. But at least it comes; better late than never.

I won’t say that the damage she carried from her past failed relationship justifies what she did to Jae-won up till now—not in the slightest actually. But I guess that is what makes it realistic, right? And much more closer to our lives? Because admittedly, we’ve all made unjustifiable mistakes—maybe we were being selfish, maybe we were just stupid… maybe we didn’t even intend to.

I’m glad that both Jae-won and Eun-oh had that intimate conversation on the phone and that Eun-oh stood her ground and chose to put herself first, even though she does love him. It’s true that the girl does, in fact, need to come to terms with herself. And Jae-won, that pure soul, he understood in one go. He got the closure he was looking for and seemed much more at peace. Hopelessly in love, yes, but at peace, nonetheless.

And you know what, this show is about to end and Eun-oh is probably still so confused and conflicted. What’s so wrong with that? She cannot rush in a bid to sort out her feelings on a whim as that’s not how it works. I’m proud of her because she finally worked up the courage to reveal the whole ordeal to her friends. I’m elated, actually, that she’s on a journey to learn, live, love and be happy and at peace.

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the problem I have with Eun-oh is not that she has not sorted out her feelings but that she is in active denial of them- which is why it has hurt Jae-won even more. Her conflicts are entirely of her own making. So her journey is not one towards happiness but pain and sadness.

Jae-won does appear to have achieved peace and acceptance. Which is why he can move on. I hope he does- and that some other woman who is less foolish sees a good thing when he appears before her and proceeds to do something about it.

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My issue with Eun-Oh is she had many times to make things right but she always was on the defensive and acted arrogant and agressive. It made me hard to root for her even if I understand why she did it.

Geon is the boyfriend/friend nobody deserves in this drama!

It's hard to see the 3rd couple, they clearly love each other a lot but they don't have the same way to see their future life. They will have to make compromises if they want their couple to work.

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My best friend’s dad always told us that love is not enough, you have to have the same life goals to have a happy and healthy life with your couple. It’s not that you don’t love that person, but being with someone needs more than love. I don’t see a life project in RI anD JK’s future. They are diverging.

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Eun-oh being arrogant and hostile toward Jae-won was to cover the truth about her weakness (and the fact that she pretend to be someone else) that she was too shame to admit. She's the imperfect character in the show. and for the many times she missed to explain her intention, I am pretty sure it's more like writing problem than the character itself.

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Oh I know, but it doesn't mean that I think it was OK. Even when he knew about her identity, she still keep up with this behavior. A kiss is not a substitute for an apology.

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But, being the big hearted man that he is Jae-won was willing to accept the kiss instead of an apology. It is Eun-oh's decision to decide that she regretted that kiss which is infuriating- but also telling. So at this point we need a sincere apology after all- and closure. We at least got an element of closure at the end of this, even if there still has not truly been a heartfelt apology which Jae-won indeed deserves.

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I almost shared on my wall that Rin-yi x Eun-oh x Geon is the real OTP of this show because I absolutely love their friendship and their little rituals, until, you know, they shot Geon down when he wanted to talk about his break-up with Sun-young. Guy just wants to open up and be vulnerable and they didn't even let him.

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Geon is too kind with them!

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The Swiss Miss PPL is amusing since it is beloved by 11-year-olds, here in the mountains, especially on cold snowy mornings. Adults usually grimace at first sip - which might be a metaphor for this show.
Finally realizing that we have a group of characters who have only ever lived in one neighborhood, stayed close friends for over 25 years and are only now trying to define themselves outside of the confines of that insular existence.
While it is true that, having lived in places other than where one grew up, "you can't go home again". What happens if one never left? Perhaps the actions of this group are simply mid-life crises for people who never took any risks? Too sad.

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I have both Swiss Miss powder packets and K-cups. The packets are 'no sugar added' but the K-cups definitely taste much better. The PPL coasters have to be one of the finest and funniest pieces of self-mockery ever.

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Frankly, Eun Oh being described several times in the show as a horrible woman was spot on. Printing their photos, getting back the surfboard, finding the ring in the river, kissing JaeWon... and then rejecting him after he decided to forgive her and take her back is... NOT what a sane woman would do. She's crazy! If she was really serious about "finding herself", could she not do all of those things above before she did? She led him on... and just hung him out to dry. Horrible woman.

Soonyoung crying after breaking up again with Geon two years after they've been together was... crazy. Why did she seek him out only to do that?

Good thing the OST in the show is lit. 😅

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Most if what I think has been said. I do want to add Eun Oh still owes Jae Won an apology. Rin yi and KJ need to break up. I have never believed love is enough and I am honestly not sure that they love each other or they love the idea of each other. He wants her to find a stable job and settle down. She wants to be carefree and doing whatever it is she is doing. This is not healthy and I hope they address it. As for Geon and SK, I am glad they broke up properly. It was cathartic and frankly the healthiest of three relationships.

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I'm in the minority, but I enjoy Eun-oh's characterisation. as much as i feel sorry for Jae-won, I don't like his character at all. Eun-oh is very flawed, but I found her struggles relatable. She was deeply unhappy and the stint in Yang Yang helped her reset. I didn't find the honesty here too late at all, from the previous episodes, it was evident to me that she was ashamed of her past and wanted to escape it rather than embrace and acknowledge it. I loved the friendship displayed in this episode. Geon staying over to keep her house warm and functioning, and Rini's concern for her throughout her absence was heartwarming.

The drama has made a poor case for a Jae-won/ Eun-oh reunion. They are toxic for each other. If anything, I feel like Eun-oh should end up with Geon because he knows, loves and accepts her for who she is, and can see beyond the facade she's tries to put up.

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"the stint in Yang Yang helped her reset"

A year after the Yang Yang, she has no new relationship and no new employment. She submitted numerous proposals getting nowhere. This was what precipitated Geon to pass her work to KJ to pass it to Jae-won. At the ramen breakfast, Geon tells Eun-oh to work hard to get the contract with Jae-won's company, because after the rent will increase by 20%, they will starve.

Geon is just freeloading off Eun-oh. He did not move into her flat to keep it warm, he moved in to live for free. Why can't he get a part time job and pay the extra 20%? Why Eun-oh has to pay the whole thing?

I think it is a mistake to take Geon's passivity as a sign of care and true friendship. I would not want a "friend" like Geon.

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I agree with you about Geon. He is simply kidding himself and everyone else.

We now know that he lost his lady because he could not ask her to stay. She too was getting nothing positive from him. Both sides of a couple need to give to the other. Geon has nothing to give- he thinks he is pursuing his dream of being a writer but do we see him writing? We actually see him doing household chores and little else. If he was working he would meet more people and have more t write about. He really is passive.

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I disagree that a reset in life needs to come with quick results. Since being back, she's been working hard to set up her own marketing agency. Getting started takes time and numerous rejections.

As for Geon: I think you're mistaken about him freeloading. He paid the utility bills while Eun-oh was away so that they wouldn't be cut off. As for rent, they're probably doing 50-50. They're just frustrated that the landlady is raising the rent suddenly.

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I guess by 'reset' I meant change but the meaning of the word is "to move back to an original place or position", i.e., no change. In that way, yeah, she reset, but I am not sure that was what she needed. She worked hard before as well (the rescinded job offer, moving to Busan to be with her fiancé).

I lived once in a place where the heating bill in the winter was almost the same as rent. That place was like Swiss cheese full of holes. But normally, heat, electricity, water, garbage removal and cable/internet access are a fraction of rent. According to Rin-yi, he had not published in 3 years, and no one heard of him (i.e., he could not be making much on this works). No evidence he can pay or actually pays anything.

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I guess our divergent perceptions of Geon affects how we view him with regards to this issue, since it hasn't been explicitly addressed in the drama.

Since I see him as a good friend to Eun-oh, I always assumed he was doing 50-50 on rent and utilities. It's common for writers to work on one book for years, so doing freelance writing/copywriting or getting an advance from the publisher helps to pay the bills. Of course if one sees Geon as a passive slacker, then the assumption that he's freeloading off Eun-oh is a plausible alternative.

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At the start of ep6 Geon says he is renting the room in Eun-oh's flat so EO has probably sublet the space to him.

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And so a 'superior being' hooks up with a 'pretty idiot' (Jae-won's phone entry for Eun-oh) in a very unequal relationship in which one of the lovers acts as a mentor to the other lover who is a complete 'bumpkin' in love and in life. I suppose as long he finds her 'pretty' and the chemistry is there, the 'idiot' part would not matter to him much and maybe even be cute. And she will always find him new and fascinating as he continues with his intellectual and personal development.

Recently I was helping someone with something and ended up reading about food choices (not something I do normally), and there was this phrase there 'people develop food choices as cognitive processes' (the write up is called 'Constructing food choice decisions' by Sobal&Bisogni if anyone cares to read it). And it occurred to me that everything is a cognitive process, including love and relationships. People with complex cognition engage into complex novelty seeking behavior and make uncommon creative decisions. Over the background of thousands of alike girls, Eun-oh's awkwardness and haplessness stood out as novelty, add that she was pretty and his 'type', and that's more than enough for her to become the centerpiece of his 'cognitive processes' of love. I guess I can buy this.

Predictably, couple #2 broke up, and Geon wants take 3 break-up.

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Sailorjumun, your best and most succinct comment on this drama was: "I know that whatever the outcome may be, all of the pain and frustration and yelling and pining wasn’t worth it." I'm embarrassed to admit that I've felt this on and off throughout the drama, but kept thinking that maybe the show would finally cut out all the nonsense and get down to some credible storytelling. Maybe it's been the constant barging through the fourth wall, talking to the camera, that makes me feel like they're all curating their feelings for the audience. She is embarrassed and hides the truth from her friends, yet is fine with going on video to talk about her feelings with people she doesn't know? A huge character inconsistency for me. And then we watch Park Jae-won being so messed up after his fling with her that he keeps going overboard to prove to the world (aka the camera & the police station) just how much he's been hurt. The other couples too, just the fact they're talking to the camera seems insincere to me. The fourth wall style of storytelling worked well for many I'm sure, but I kept hitting my head on it I guess. Especially after hearing Eun-o's 'pain' comes from a need to 'find herself'....a well-worn trope that a huge percentage of us have to do whenever life swerves in another direction. But her main problem for me, stems from her insincerity with others, (maybe the jerk ex who dumped her found that lacking in her too). Her confession to her friends said it all. "Telling the truth is so hard..." Being insincere means you create another persona outside of yourself, so it was embarrassing for her to let anyone see her as silly or weak. Instead she acted strong and hardhearted? What I found the hardest about this flaw though, was the distance she has kept from her "closest friends" all this time. Even after they told her they liked both the old & the new her, the wallowing in self-pity was quite hard to swallow. I still don't trust the new Eun-ho to change. I still think if he was to call again in distress like he did after she kissed then pushed him away, that she will still be the one to turn over and go back to sleep. I kinda wish I'd done that from the 4th episode on. All the pining and whining was indeed not worth it indeed.

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