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Open Thread #765

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Kakao M, the entertainment unit of South Korea’s top mobile messenger operator Kakao Corp., continues the SK trend of vertical integration by acquiring two more talent agencies and expanding its content production. Other companies, like CJ group, have invested heavily in complete in-house productions.

Under the old Hollywood system, studios used to control all facets of movie making: from the contract actors, cast, crew, writers, directors through distribution to their own theaters. Anti-trust regulations brought down the system by severing the distribution to venue channel then actors hired their own agents to become free agents for their talents.

The potential problem with a vertical integration model of production is that the company will favor its own staff and agency talent. Have you ever wondered why an actor was (mis)cast in a leading role on a big project or series? One reason could have been the incestuous corporate affiliation between studio and talent agency.

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And the studios as they grow bigger can have more power to get actors (especially new ones) on "Slave contracts" and/or "bury" them if they are inconvenient for any reason.

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Rain beats the heat or more aptly heat brings the rain. such a nice team.

For some hydrohomie is perfectly a domain of certain gender and specific species. Their view, accept as whole.

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After Portugal its time for France, Spain and most likely for few others to enjoy the summer. One thing that others not much notice that weapons add much to the climate damage too. And they do add a lot. Lots n lots of drills with friendly neighbours, alliance partners go every year around. You can eye on the petrol usage of common man but military use of oil is always high. Air forces have to have lot of practice and those fighters jets and those carriers and destroyers guzzle oil like its water.

Then if you lounge around in swanky suits, eat popcorn, do a few handshakes and go back to your usual business, you achieve nothing, perfect lip service and so be ready to face a slight wrath of your own made.

Heat is for you. You deserve it. Cant cry, can't whine. Can only take action, you never.

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Pleasantly surprised at how well "My Love From The Star" has aged, aside from Kim Soo-hyun's bangs its still an A+ fantasy rom com with a great OTP, and an epic romance.

also Cheon Song-yi is a dramaland icon

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I rewatched it 2 months ago. Still enjoyed it as much as I did the first time.

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Thanks for the rec! It's coming up on my watch list. I'm in a bit of a drama lull and really feeling the downside of live-watching: greater excitement and anticipation for the next episode leads to greater disappointment when it goes awry, and there's no fast-forwarding fix for that. Ahem, Kiss Sixth Sense 👀 I have enough uncertainty in my real life!

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Jinxed at first

Is there some book of tropes that says when showing someone experiencing something for the first time act like an extroverted young child full of wide eyed excitement and wonder who trusts and loves to engage with anyone. It’s rare to see a quiet observer unless they are like Seobok.

Yet again a drama showcases autism in this case to demonstrate her intelligence and I wondered if her comment about her partial acclimatisation was to prepare us for her talking and acting like an average adult in the future episodes.

The actors playing the market stall owners are all the usual suspects in the older actors category that are wheeled out to play parents or a kind neighbourhood grandmother. It must have been like a reunion for them all to meet up on set. I was desperately trying to name the last dramas I had seen each of them in.

So far I am hanging in there with this drama and looking forward to seeing what happens in future episodes.

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I’m halfway through the first episode but I had to keep stopping because the childlike innocence was too much for me. I’ll probably give it two episodes before I give up but at this point I am unconvinced.

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I dropped the drama because I couldn't stand the FL acting very childish. It was cringey and not charming. Maybe SeoHyun is not able to pull of this character or the character itself is supposed to be like that, because I do remember watching and enjoying dramas with mythical characters getting lost and wandering in human world only to be reluctantly adopted by the ML, who later falls in love ( E.g., "The legend of the Blue Sea", "High school Love On" ).

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I know life is too short so I hear you.

I liked Hi! School love on. I think this is grating because it’s the same every time so the early ones we accepted as it was new and tolerable but I agree this one is ridiculous. They always seem to pitch 18-20 year olds as if they are 12 and under. The doctor’s son from Hospital playlist is more mature than her😳

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🤣🤣

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She does something weird with her hands everytime she gets excited, idk something in between a clap and a hurray, like she doesn't know the right placement of hands to convey excitement. At least kids look cute with such actions.

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I fell asleep at half of 1st ep. Hoamm.... drop

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Ugh another winter bug, another emergency room visit for Littlest One’s breathing…it is 2am and I would like to be asleep (I’m sure she would too).

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Hope that she feels better soon. I guess she is on a mission to build up her immunity by getting every bug going now so when she is older she will not be known as Teflon as nothing will stick while everyone else will be taken down by the seasonal bugs.

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I hope so - I’m sure we’re more susceptible to all the bugs at the moment because we’ve been cut off from most of the nasties for a couple of years but now we’re opening up so they will all come…

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Yes the bugs got stronger and are waging a serious campaign as they feel ignored compared to previous years!😒

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Coming back new and improved 😒

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Oh poor kiddo. I hope she's feeling better soon.

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She was well enough to come home and she’s asleep now, so fingers crossed we’re past this one.

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Stupid illness kick it in the face! And I hope she sleeps well and will have the energy to do just that.

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Oof life is hard right now. I have finally been told since my PCP has disappeared off the face off the earth I can no longer get my antidepressants since they are prescribed by her. Without that little pill to keep me balanced I feel all over the place. But mostly all of the negative emotions.
I saw a mouse last night and freaked tf out. It looked like a baby so is there a family of mice living in my downstairs? Why aren't they taking the bait and eating and dying? So I freaked out and ran upstairs but my ac doesn't reach upstairs and we're in the middle of a heat advisory so it was easily over 90 degrees in my bedroom. So I obviously couldn't sleep. I sent an email to my landlord to send the maintenance man immediately! He said he'd set traps and left them on my coffee table. And he said he'd bring a window unit for my upstairs and hasn't so at 1:48 when it was hot enough to slow roast a turkey I sent an email (the only way he communicates) I'm not going downstairs until the traps are set. And we're in a heat advisory so come on with the ding dang ac unit before I get heat stroke! Bring your own key because I'm not crossing the living room to let you in. But no response. Nothing's been done.
Yesterday I had a 2 hour long argument with my friend. Ohio has made it legal for teachers to carry guns and I read a message on FB about a woman who thinks if we have to bring guns then we have to teach gun safety and there's already not enough time in the year to teach everything so what do we decide not to teach to incorporate gun safety? She's all for it. I'm not. I think if anything school should go back to virtual with kids meeting at schools a couple of times a week for social interaction. Everything feels like a lot and so so heavy.

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Take care of your hydration while you are doing the 24 hour sauna standoff. It sounds like the landlord will be relaxing with his AC turned up full blast not caring at all.

I thought pest control measures were pretty quick these days how frustrating that they are in the zone to enjoy the cool conditions whilst you are not.

Hope you find another proscriber for the meds issues.

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That's *exactly* what's happening! I'm so furious I can't see straight. But that could be the 90+ weather which seems to be soaring higher in my apartment.
I just called to see what the hold up is.
So LAST FRIDAY (the beginning of the heatwave) the maintenance man told me to keep the ac off as it was.freezing the outside thingy. I tried. But around 3am on Monday I turned it on for a few hours. He came in after it had been on for a few hours and turned it off again. It has to thaw so he can see the problem and fix it. Tuesday afternoon he comes by and fixes it (all this while doing nothing with the mice) and checks how hot it is upstairs and says he'll be back with a window unit the next day (Wednesday) to install the upstairs unit. Thank you! Yes please! It's too hot upstairs! Even with a fan on it's just blowing heat around. Wednesday he comes back to fiddle with the ac again but he's forgotten the window unit at the office. He'll be back Thursday. Thursday night I see a mouse running over my shoes and behind my.bookcase. I send an email to the landlord (he never answers the phone) and it's basically I'm grateful that you have the ac going downstairs but we're in a heatwave and the ac isn't working upstairs. I can't live like this. I can't sleep downstairs because there are mice downstairs. The maintenance man got caught up in the ac and never put out the traps for the mice but at this point I need both done. So. I'm not going downstairs again. My downstairs is uninhabitable to me until you get this taken care of: find and plug the hole, put out the traps, all of it. You have a key to my house so I don't want any of this he knocked twice and you didn't answer. He never gives a time frame when he's showing up. Once he showed up at 6 in the morning. Once he showed up at 11 and I didn't hear him knocking because I was taking a shower. He has a key. I expect him to use it and come in and get this ish done. (But less demanding I'm currently really mad).
No response. Not a big deal the landlord never responds to emails. But around 12 he still hasn't arrived. I check my email. There's an email from the company that owns the property. We have a new landlord. I call her to ask what the hold up is. Even though of the 20 units in this property 13 of them have window ac units (that were provided by the landlord) on their second floor because the air doesn't go up there she told me that they weren't providing them and I have to go and flip the vents off if I want air. I'm sorry. What? Do you know where the vents are? The ceiling. I'm tall for a woman but to get those vents I have to pull out a ladder every night. Plus what is one of the ways for.micentongey into homes? Oh! Vents! So I'd be closing the vent to the mouse to go downstairs and inviting them upstairs. Making the entire house feel unsafe. So. How is that the good plan? And she had SUCH A NASTY ATTITUDE when she said it. I've never had a problem here before but...

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😱 great customer service award goes to…

This is unacceptable and outrageous treatment. I know people see property as an investment but…So it’s gone from bad to worse with the change of landlord
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Over the course of 24 hours! The maintenance man has a window unit that yesterday's landlord was going to allow him to install and he didn't get around to it. But today's wench is the word I'm going with says I have to buy my own. But isn't it YOUR responsibility if YOUR ac unit doesn't work because it's YOUR property? I mean that's how I thought it worked. What do I know?!

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I hope you can get some of these sorted soon (the prescription and mice and the AC - I don’t think anyone is going to sort gun control and the excessive burdens on teachers anytime soon 😢) - it sounds exhausting!

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I don't think anyone is going to solve gun control until someone "important" loses a child to school violence and makes it their mission. Until then the 540 school shootings we've had since 2012 the 145 children and teachers lives lost---and the countless more impacted--well. Acceptable loses I guess. According to the muckity mucks anyway.

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But you know, we take our shoes off at the airport, I can't open my tylenol bottle because it's sealed tighter than a... well, I can't think of anything, so tighter than my brain cells... , and I have to show my ID to buy cold medicine. Those are all things that are much more dangerous than an automatic weapon. The idea of armed teachers horrifies me to my core. The US is out of its damn mind.

Anywho, I hope you get working air conditioning soon. In the meantime, maybe the heat will give the mice heatstroke?

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Everything here is too much right now. I'm amazed at the lack of decent health care and beyond disgusted with "our" unwillingness to address gun control.

I hope you find a new MD (my area has lost so many good providers this year), find a way to get cooler, and get rid of the pests.

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sit in a tub of cool water, or take cool showers and don't dry off...

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I wanted to see more of the work of actress Chun Woo-he (Be Melodramatic). I had heard she is replacing (none other than) IU in a role in an upcoming series 'Money Game'.She's been in very few series but has been in 25 films. Looking over her Wiki page I see she's got a LOT of best actress awards and nominations so I hunted down the 2019 Korean film 'Vertigo', a character study an office worker having a secret affair with her boss. A film to recommend for the people who miss 'My Liberation Notes'.

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I've watched another Chun Woo-he movie, this one named 'Idol' (again from 2019) where she plays a murderous pregnant Chinese illegal immigrant prostitute.

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I’ve got a question! I’ve heard lots of people raving about Yumi’s Cells - I’m more of a ML& FL end up together sort. So should I give Yumi’s Cells a go or will it break my heart (multiple times)?

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Start just it to see the cute Cells and find out how much you like them. Then their novelty might wear off and you drop it before you get a broken heart or you might love them so much you won't care.

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I am the exact same. It actually took me.until this week to finish the first season because I didn't want to watch Yumi and Wung break up. I thought it was a really realistic break up and I nice nod to the fact that just because you're of an age and ready to marry doesn't mean the person you're dating is it. The break up was sad but while there was no cheating at all they Introduce you to BaBi the next seasons love interest and start laying that foundation. I enjoyed it and I love BaBi and while I don't love love triangles I hope we haven't seen the last of Wung. I haven't watched or read the webcomic/toon (I dunno) it's based off of so I don't know how it ends but I really like it.

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Wung does make a reappearance later in the webtoon but I don't know how much they're following it.

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Every K-drama breaks your heart, even the lightest frothiest types (remember 'I am not a robot'?).

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Haha true!

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Sorry, my deleted comment might have been spoilerly.
This is just based on the webtoon, it was really interesting to see Yumi's character grow with each relationship she has. While each breakup is sad, it also gave Yumi growth that usually isn't seen in a regular romance. In the end she does get a HEA, so overall the series should end on a happy note.

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So uh ...how many breakups are we talking here? I really like me some BaBi and I already was super sad that Wung and Yumi broke up as necessary as that was. I'm not sure my heart is up for multiple break ups!

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I don't know if that's a spoiler to some so I'll answer you on my fanwall.

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I think you'll probably get your heart broken more than once :( But it's worth it! in my humble opinion...

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Yumi's cells is more about Yumi's growth along her relationships than the relationships themselves. She's the main character and it's her journey of growth. I too was totally on the Woong ship last season and frankly didn't like Babi as much as we saw him, but... The show had other plans. They made me like Babi from the get go. It took me only 2 episodes to root for him. But if you keep the show's focus on Yumi in mind, you wouldn't bother with her ML's changing. That's what the show says too, there's no ML here there's only one lead.

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Came across a great essay that discusses how "South Korea is losing control of it's own cultural narrative" to the West, and makes the case for delineating between K-culture (Korean pop culture designed for export) and Korean culture (designed for domestic audience).

Essay goes into kdramas and can be found here.

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Interesting article,

Most Asian dramaland fans will likely agree with it too, many of us were fans long before netflix,disney and the rest of their ilk came along and muddied the waters, and we were drawn to them because the stories and characters were relatable but still very much created for their countries audience (be it Korea,Japan,Taiwan etc).

I've never much cared for the "K-content" created by western companies and a lot of drama fans feel the same.

Im glad that other people are noticing though

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I'm not into gatekeeping cultural content. There is a subset of kdrama viewers who are very classicist about kdramas, and I'm not one of them.

South Korea has up to now, been very successful at leveraging its pop culture as a form of soft power, but I wonder if they might be losing grip of the reins. I remember when Squid Game came out the domestic audience was unimpressed with it, but changed their tune really quickly after the show got massive global recognition.

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To be fair, I also think that the tastes of most long-time international fans can differ wildly from domestic tastes. But of course, domestic tastes vary wildly as well, especially between age groups.

Many, many international fans scorn makjangs and melodramas and never touch family weekenders and dailies, but those are a large part of the Korean drama watcher diet, especially for older women. International k-drama fans have always looked more towards rom-coms, even ones that didn't make a particularly big splash in Korea. I think it's a bit silly to lump your stereotypical longtime international fan together with a stereotypical Korean viewer (whatever that is).

Why are people acting like your "classic K-drama" is dying, when... what even IS a classic K-drama? Trends have varied ever since K-dramas began being made. Is a classic K-drama something like Winter Sonata? Or is it Boys Over Flowers? Is it My Name is Kim Sam-soon? Is it King of Baking Kim Tak-gu? Is it 80s classic Country Diaries? Can anyone tell me what a classic K-drama REALLY is?

Here's my opinion: The K-drama landscape is diversifying, and that's a good thing. Your makjangs, weekenders, melos, and rom-coms are all still being made, and I don't see any of that stopping any time soon. For every K-drama that Netflix produces that people claim are "un-Korean" (despite being made by Koreans), there are a dozen more "classic" shows being made as well. And no, I don't think every production is having an international audience in mind, especially considering the fact that there are a lot of dramas these days that don't even become available on international streaming platforms. Koreans aren't losing their K-dramas.

Not every k-drama is made for everyone. There are different target audiences for each and every show, whether it be international or domestic. And I don't see anything wrong with that. To international fans, I say: There are more shows being made now than ever before, so just pick what you like to watch. I'm sure you can find something to enjoy.

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I'm reading the article and just realized I basically just said everything they said, LOL.

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Completely agree that the apparent distinctions are a lot fuzzier than many people think.

Moreover, I'm not sure if Netflix K-dramas are even really aimed at international audiences. Shows like Squid Game, DP, Extracurricular and Hellbound seem very typically Korean to me, with regard to both form and content. Perhaps they are more typical of Korean cinema than K-drama, but they are still very Korean. Remakes like Undercover and Life on Mars are also thoroughly localised.

In fact, the supposedly classical K-dramas are precisely the ones which some Koreans complain have been churned out for overseas, mostly Chinese, consumption - and which no longer appeal to younger Korean viewers. It is arguably this demographic, and not international audiences, that is the main target of the more adventurous "unKorean" stuff.

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@knewbie Yes, yes! 100%! And everything said much better than I could! :)

“Perhaps they are more typical of Korean cinema than K-drama, but they are still very Korean.” Especially this bit. In fact, I see a lot of Netflix shows more as a variation on cinema than anything else with their shorter episode counts, along with the fact that many of the people who work on these shows are Chungmuro directors. You see this a bit with Hollywood streaming titles too, with film directors branching out into the miniseries format.

“TV” is changing all across the globe, and I often think it’s for the better. We have more variety today than we ever did before.

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Omg thank you! I agree 100% with you.

Every time someone cries over « the Westernization of kdramas », my eyes roll so much I can see my own brain.

Your romcoms and your cute fantasy romances are not going anywhere. Kdrama is not a genre, it is an industry. Thus, it is diverse and dynamic. Just like there is not just one way of being Korean, there is not just one way of being a kdrama.

And for the last time, Korean cinema and tv has always had its « grittiness »and « darkness ». It has nothing to do with the « big bad West » *eye roll intensifies*

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The shorter version being: these are the opinions of someone who's never seen a Korean film. Well maybe Parasite and Train to Busan and that's it.
The only thing streaming services like Netflix and Apple did was allow Korean writers scope to write around broadcast and even cable TV's strict censorship. So they did. Gleefully it appears.

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The recent big hit k-dramas were all Korean made and then licensed internationally. The next stage is foreign invested dramas which push their own ideas on the original screenplay. The next stage is foreign produced k-dramas we’re creative control gets muddy with cultural and production differences.

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@welh I think your "next stages" might have already occurred. Before Korean content was officially blocked in China in 2017, K-drama makers were often accused of pandering to Chinese viewers by grinding out all those safe, boring melos etc one after another. The complaints about shows like last year's Joseon Exorcist were more serious: that ideas from China might have been "pushed" on the show, as you put it.

In any case, I don't see why Korea and K-drama should be singled out as being particularly susceptible to "foreign influence". All the big content creators try to keep their investors and audiences happy, e.g. Disney and the live-action Mulan. Come to think of it, I haven't seen or heard of anything in K-drama that goes as far as Mulan does.

In the case of Squid Game: for all Hwang Dong-hyuk's talk of "targeting the international market from the start", the fact is that he first came up with the show's idea before platforms like Netflix became widely used. More importantly, every artist hopes to blend the specific and the universal - while their creation is personal, they would also want it to resonate with as many people as possible.

The irony is that Squid Game is more typically Korean than, say, My Ahjusshi, One Spring Night or Through the Darkness. Those rather calm and stately shows (two of them on terrestrial TV) would feel more familiar to western audiences; in contrast, Squid has the strangled wackiness and wildly fluctuating tone that many western viewers find quite hard to stomach in Korean content.

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@knewbie Squid Game is also distinctly influenced by Japanese works like Liar Game and Battle Royale much more than any “Western” properties. The director said as much himself.

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Thanks for sharing this interesting piece. I agree the dramas that are made for the western audience are usually the ones I don’t like, they just feel off.

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Interesting read about the difference between what Koreans in Korea watch as opposed to what suits international tastes. I don't see that it is about what is "real" Korean, although it is asking if the international demand for K content is taking control of the Korean narrative. I guess Koreans will simply vote with their feet. If it speaks to them, they'll watch it. If it doesn't, but captures the imagination of an international audience, they'll rub their hands together and say thank you. It seems to me that in all areas of creativity, throughout the whole history of Korea, Koreans have borrowed, adapted, and made their own, putting a unique spin on everything they have produced, remaking it anew. Long may it continue.

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

It seems like my decrease of laptop time also spread to Dramabeans! I am used to skipping What We Are Watching whenever I feel like I have not watched enough episodes that week to be able to post anything, but Open Thread is a whole other matter. I actually am very active here every week because I can talk about other stuff whenever I am not watching shows and skipping What We Are Watching as a result. Mostly I just recap how my week has been or talk about upcoming events to explain future absences on OT.

Lately it has been a lot harder to come up with anything good to post and some Fridays I even cannot make it to OT. I always lurk here, but at times even that proves to be a challenge. For that reason, I have decided to no longer pressure myself into writing anything. If you bump into me around here from now on, let us interpret it as me being inspired and determined to write something I can be proud of, whenever that may be!

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I am glad you have given yourself permission to do only what you feel to do rather than putting yourself under pressure. There are a lot of Beanies who read and enjoy the content and post very little if anything.
Take care and enjoy the break from writing for as long as you need and know we will be here when/if you post again.

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Thank you!

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I have been laughing at the cells arguing about Yumi’s dislike of “the strong scents of men’s toners”. I know skin care is taken very seriously by many South Koreans but do toners even have an identifiable scent? Or was this meant to be about an after shave/cologne reference which was lost in translation as the Korean text doesn’t include the word toner and if literally translated says “Hates the strong scents of men’s skin”.

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Toner makes no sense, most people don’t use it. Cologne would be better as some have an unpleasant scent if you don’t like some of the ingredients.

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@reply1988: I am glad you thought so too! Those cells are a riot! So much fun.

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I was watching this morning and I was alternating from laughing out loud at the cells being carted off to prison and smiling from the cuteness of it all. I love this show.

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“Toner” in Korean is usually referred to as “스킨/skin”, so there may have been some confusion there for the translator?

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@mindy: Thank you Mindy for teaching me something new! It sure was confusing😂

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Glad my k-beauty obsession could be of some use haha

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Under COVID attack! So far it is a bad throat infection and sleepless nights due to coughing. Let's see how it goes from here.

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Oh no! Hopefully it stays low key. Take care of yourself and rest so your body can prioritise healing over everything else. Be prepared for days of fatigue when the worst is over.

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Thanks a lot! It is still bad. Hoping to get a respite from coughing fits and a good night's sleep!

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I hope you do to because sleep makes all the difference.

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How are you doing can’t see you on here so hoping it’s because you rested rather than the lurgie took a turn for the worst.

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Hey, Thanks for checking! I had a bad cough whole night and barely slept. Now it is done down and I am able to sleep a bit and so is in the condition to reply (or check).

Thanks a lot for checking again!

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No worries, enjoy your catch up rest. Glad all is well

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Woori the Virgin. A pregnancy makjang that left out the character actually being pregnant. She went from having washboard abs to a ten month time jump where she's back to having washboard abs.

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