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The Killing Vote: Episodes 1-12 (Drama Hangout)

Welcome to the Drama Hangout for The Killing Vote, where a dog-masked villain starts taking justice into his own hands, and Park Hae-jin has something to say about it.

This is your place to chat about the drama as it airs. For our opening thoughts, check out the Episode 1 First Impressions.

Beware of spoilers! This thread is for discussing the entire series.

 
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Is this a 1- episode per week show only? If so, then I am not sure why the producers and Amazon decided to do it that way. Now I am thinking of just waiting until all the eps are out.

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According to this article in “Variety” on SBS’s THE KILLING VOTE one episode a week will air in SK on Thursday at 9pm. The episode will be uploaded to Prime Video:
https://variety.com/2023/global/news/the-killing-vote-korean-crime-series-prime-video-1235693947/

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I didn't know this was on Amazon Prime. Actually, I don't know much of anything about this.

If it's only airing 1 episode a week, I imagine it must be a short series.

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12 episodes. One episode a week on Thursdays.

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Thank you

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Great first episode..clever complicated full of highly educated writer ..the symbolism is full ..the eyes speaks all of the time ..anger .fear .lost .. magnificent..
I think we will have number one

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Totally agree @nahhaj. SBS’s THE KILLING VOTE’s episode one was for me the best cops/crime/mystery kdrama episode since SBS’s THROUGH THE DARKNESS in early 2022.
Also, welcome aboard.

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Episode 2: Y'all I have no idea who Gaetal is. I keep thinking, "Oh it couldn't be this person because they are elsewhere when the broadcast is going out or part of the investigation" but honestly I'm not ruling almost anyone out. All this stuff could be pre-recorded, and the bomb was certainly set ahead of time. What are your theories so far? Side note: it's interesting to me that it was a bomb for this particular criminal; I was expecting something that had more to do with the way she killed people or her motivation. Maybe trapped in a car going to be hit by a Truck of Doom?

I'm loving the relationship between Hyeon and Jo-dan, and (oddly) the one between Mu-chan and Jin-soo. I certainly don't agree with how the cops handle most things, but I've decided to put that aside for the moment because they are such interesting characters and I want to know more about why they all became this way. Also very curious to see how the partnership between Hyeon and the rest of the team (particularly Mu-chan) develops, and if one of them will end up influenced by the other.

When the high schoolers were moseying out of their school after emergency vehicles screamed up in front and an announcement was made to evacuate, I was so mad. Apparently this is a trigger for me for some reason, I'm getting frustrated just thinking about it!

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I am assuming the high school teacher and assemblywoman are both involved, but I’m sure there is more to it than that. This episode I thought made me think Park Hae-Jin’s character was involved, but I spent all of episode 1 thinking he was not.

As a high school teacher I had to laugh at how the students weren’t taking it seriously. That seemed about right.

The bomb is interesting because if the police hadn’t found her, the bomb would also have killed a lot of innocent people. That makes the killer a lot less noble. Public opinion would sway the other way. Why take the risk?

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Park Hae Jin has always done dark roles best, so I was excited to try this out. I liked the first two episodes. It would be great for him if he could find his footing again with this. He was one of my favorite actors for a long time, but he got bad scripts that didn’t fit him after Cheese in the Trap.

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Wow, episode 3 was really bad.

First, Jin-soo berates Mu-chan because he did not stick to the rules. As a true stickler for rules, Jin-soo then takes two high-schoolers to investigate a potentially dangerous place, because there are "no extra people on the police force" (Maybe they are all on the task force put together because of Gaetal? Like herself?*eyeroll*). Next, she just like that enters a house, which could still be inhabited, without any search warrant. (That is breaking and entering btw) Then she is all tears like a four year old because her little sister got worried while waiting for her. (20 minutes is nothing while searching a huge house. And: do not bring your little sister to work, especially not, if the work might be dangerous.)

I am tired of overconfident characters (male and female alike) who then have/do nothing to back their claims.

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i sorta lost concentration at the latter part of episode 3 - there's a guy that i think is trying to look like Yoo Ah In... sorta bugged me. yeah, i'm being petty, sawry....

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In a show that was dark to begin with, episode 4 definitely went darker. Between the sleazy teacher and the scheming high schooler, I'd say that the little sister is in danger.

Also, I suppose Kwon murdered an innocent kid who was put forward as a scapegoat instead of the real culprit (who will later become sleazy teacher).

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It seems so, and that makes the whole thing even more tragic. The father did not avenge his daughters, but became the killer of an innocent person. The real culprit hasn't been caught, he's still doing evil, and he's basking in luxury and can do whatever he wants.
A high school student is a suspicious character because he certainly knows the truth about the teacher. He can't be innocent because it looked like a school bully got scared when he accidentally hit him.

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The boy student always looked like he knew more than he said out loud, but this episode was the first time he gave me the creeps the way the teacher does.

The father's fixation on his vengeance (down to the exact number of knife stabs) seems to have come from his hubris. He thought he knew what happened better than anyone, and murdered an innocent kid as a result.

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Episode 5
I remember that the drama was supposed to contain a "horror" element, but there was nothing like that yet. I have some hope that the drama has a supernatural element. I imagine Dog Mask is an emancipation of the rage ML felt at his powerlessness in the past. Something like an evil spirit that contacts people who similarly hate injustice.

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Episode 5
Caught up with this drama! Got really exciting and intense.

Joo Hyun, Mu Chan, Seok Joo are all interesting characters.

I don't think the show would go that far to make Mu Chan Gaetal, but it's still mysterious and unknown who he/she is and how many people/minions are involved.

Hyun's data gathering and narrowing down the targets was cool and actually helpful to the team. But Gaetal was a step ahead and added tricks so the hospital was a chaotic mess.

I haven't been suspicious about Young Joo. He does have something secretive about him and he keeps most of his thoughts hidden, but he seems to care about Min and look out for her. However, I don't know why he hid in the doctor's office. To confront him? To attack him? Oh, it dawned on me that he was trying to gather evidence (recording on his phone) like how he talked to Min about needing that to catch a bad guy instead of jumping to conclusions without concrete info.

Waiting for Min to share the photos she took of her homeroom teacher the night of the car bomb! Ugh, I guess she didn't recognize him. >__>

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Young Joo = Ji Hoon*

(I wrote the actor's real name by accident lol.)

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Episode 6

Kim Kwon is good at creepy faces! Ughhh

On one hand, it feels too soon for Gaetal to be revealed. On the other hand, we are at the halfway point. And maybe the writer has a plan for the viewers knowing who Gaetal is before the other characters. Or he is just a copycat.

Alarm bells went off when I saw Young Joo's grandmother is the ONE treating Seok Joo in prison. Now I remember she was purposely hidden from our view in a past episode. I'm curious about these two and their connection to the rest of the story. Small world, ya'll. =P

Young Joo was off to me. I'm not quite suspecting him to be bad just yet though. His grandmother may be the bad one.

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Yeah, I can’t decide if I think that Min-soo is legitimately Gaetal or not. We were shown that he definitely killed the Russian woman, but he might just be following along/helping out/taking advantage of the killings to do a little of his own. I wonder how many things his mother has had to cover up for him over the years… That was clearly why he was sent abroad for a while, but they way she asked him about it sounded like there might be more cases we don’t know about.

I don’t know if I’m ready to be suspicious of the grandmother yet. Everything is certainly interconnected, but she could have some other connection to Seok-joo that hasn’t been revealed yet. If Ji-hoon is the friend in the drawing, she probably would have known Seok-joo through his daughter back then.

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Yeah, he may be twisted on his own. His mother must have covered up for him a lot, possibly starting with Seok Joo's daughter or even before then. Maybe he was the main culprit and the housekeeper's son was an accomplice.

I was a little surprised at her nonreaction, but then again, it makes sense considering how corrupt she is. Used to violence and used to her son's behavior.

I've been so curious about the friend! Where is he now and what is he doing. Hmm, would Seok Joo recognize Ji Hoon's grandmother if her grandson was the best friend?

Not much has been said about the reporter Do Hee, but she looks menacing. I wonder how far she will go for tv ratings.

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For sure about the reporter! When she said they could just make another Gaetal 😳

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episode 6 -- Lee Wan!!!!! i haven't seen him in years.......
must say however, the story is losing me... i might have to come back to this drama later as it isn't holding my interest very well at the moment.

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Episode 6: I’m still really loving this.

That scene when Seok-joo was telling Mu-chan that he wished he was Gaetal *chills*. They were totally electric. I love them together so much.

I’m so glad SOMEONE finally asked who the other person in Seok-joo’s daughter’s drawing was. I’ve been wondering for forever! I think the friend in the drawing grew up to be Ji-hoon. He has seemed sus at various times, but maybe it’s that he is suspicious of his teacher. He might also sympathize with Gaetal’s cause a bit if his best friend from childhood was brutally murdered. Everyone is so connected in this drama though, it’s hard to tease things apart. At this point I really like his character, so I don’t really want him to be involved with the crimes.

It was clear that Min-soo was involved to some extent from early on. I’m still not sure exactly to what extent though. If he’s the mastermind behind all of it, is the philosophy behind it (killing “devils deemed innocent”) just an excuse to kill people? Because he is one of those himself, if he really did murder or help murder Seok-joo’s daughter eight years ago. Also, can we talk about his relationship with his mother? One of the creepiest I’ve seen in a while…

As an aside, it’s so funny to me that the actor who played Woo Young-woo’s little brother (the hacker) from Extraordinary Attorney Woo is also playing a hacker in this show. It’s like he didn’t quite learn his lesson last year and he crossed over into another drama to become a psychopath and escalate things.

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For a second, I thought the kid was Mu Chan, but that can't be right. Too young? This thought first came about when Mu Chan called Seok Joo hyung. He did, right? I thought they were going to be related. But maybe not...

Hah, I've seen that child actor in The King of Pigs so my sus radar was on. He's good at being mysterious and creepy.

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Yeah I don't think it can be Mu-chan - the ages don't line up. Mu-chan was already a detective/police officer by the time the daughter was killed, and that was eight years ago (I think someone said this at some point but I could be wrong). But if the daugher was 8-10 when she was killed (and her friend was similar in age) he would be in high school now. And we only know one high school boy very well in this drama, so Ji-hoon's my guess.

Mu-chan did call Seok-joo "hyung" when he was trying to stop him from stabbing that guy. I think this was at the end of the first episode? Might have called him that elsewhere too, but that's the one that I remember. But I just took that to mean that they were closer at one point than they generally let on nowadays, not that they were actually related. But who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if they throw something like that at us too!

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Episode 7: Ooooph, the tragedy. As if it wasn’t enough that Seok-joo killed someone who (probably helped with but) was not really responsible for the murder of his daughter, as if it wasn’t enough that both of Woo-taek’s parents committed suicide after their son died (OR DID THEY!?!?), as if it wasn’t enough that Ji-hoon’s happy family prospects were driven into the ground, on top of it all Ji-hoon saw Seok-joo, the only father figure in his life and the father of his murdered best friend, stabbing someone mercilessly. Can we just take a minute and make sure he has had some high quality therapy?

I wonder if Seok-joo arranged for someone that he knew to adopt Ji-hoon instead, or at least sponsor him, and that’s how he ended up with the woman he calls his grandmother (and might explain why she’s the one treating Seok-joo in prison). The show made some reference this week to the fact that Min-soo changed his name and his face, but Ji-hoon seems to know or at least suspect who he is. Does he also know that he was involved with Na-rae’s murder? Has he been positioning himself to expose Min-soo’s crimes? I can’t decide yet. I think he and Min could do it though. And I was so grateful for that sweet healing moment between them at the end. I hope he doesn’t turn out to be a bad guy, and that he gets a good ending.

So it seems like Mu-chan knows Seok-joo through his classes also. He must have started as a student and then they kept in touch? That conversation between them last week was amazing, and the part that they revealed this week was no less impactful. Mu-chan isn’t Gaetal because he would have gone after Na-rae’s killer first? My breath caught in my throat. I just love them together.

As to Gaetal’s identity: I stand by what I said last week. It might be Min-soo, but I’m not 100% satisfied by that explanation at this point. More info needed. I wish I could remember all the knowing glances that were in the first few episodes. That’s the problem with them coming out this slowly I guess - I end up forgetting evidence!

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Ahhh, the reveals in EP 7. I didn't know Mu Chan messed up with the evidence back then! It wasn't obvious until now. Both him and Seok Joo made terrible, regretful actions. I wonder if Seok Joo is angry with himself or Min Soo, but he hasn't shown like any extreme emotions. He's got to be suspicious about Min Soo, right? I'm not sure if he's only suspecting him about Gaetal and he's not considering that Min Soo was the main one behind his daughter's murder.

It's possible that Woo Taek's parents felt powerless or were in so much pain that they committed suicide (or other reasons). I was more suspicious of Min Soo's mother though.

I feel so bad for Ji Hoon. T___T How awful that he witnessed that scene?! I'm glad he has Min on his side and keeps him from being distant.

I captured those two scenes on my fanwall. Those were my favorites!

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I know! The reveal the Mu-chan messed it up back then was devastating, but the case didn’t seem airtight even with that false bit of evidence. The Assemblywoman also had extreme motivation when the trial was for a scapegoat, so imagine the stops she would have pulled out if it was for her son.

I don’t know how much Seok-joo knows about Min-soo. Mu-chan was the one convinced, but I’m not sure how much he shared about his suspicions with Seok-joo, and all those times Min-soo smiled creepily were when Seok-joo was occupied with other things. Now he seems to know that Min-soo was involved because they’ve been putting together the clues with the dog, but I don’t know if Seok-joo knows the whole weight of it. My heart dropped out of my chest when Woo-taek played the recording of Na-rae for Seok-joo, what an awful moment.

I’m not that suspicious that Woo-taek’s parents had anything fishy about their deaths, I was just saying that because everything is so connected and literally nothing would surprise me at this point hahaha!

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True, the case was too close to the assemblywoman.

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About Ji-hoon: I’m so glad he has Min too! They are so cute, and I love that when he tries to push her away she just straight up ignores it. I do wonder why his grandmother told him not to get close to her - not sure about the motive there.

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Maybe she is the one hiding something while Ji Hoon is innocent.

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little bit of a late start of watching this, but i just finished episode 1 a while ago, so here are some spoilery thoughts about it.

I don't like some of the directing choices, the zoom ins are kinda unfitting for a serious thriller, but so far the series is great.

I took a peek into the first few chapters of the webtoon, there are quite a few differences. I think the names of characters and their relationships are quite different tbh.. i also noticed some dialoge said by other characters where changed to be said by the mains? I do want to read the webtoon after i finish this whole drama to see all the differences!

The first death was also not a cp-seller in the webtoon but a guy that got accused of killing his girlfriend with a hotdog(??) but was let free because the death was ruled an accidental choking. I feel like the contrast is quite big, the drama guy was very clearly guilty and just got an insanely short sentence, meanwhile the webtoon guy might even be innocent, there is no proof he actually killed someone, the public just believes he did.

I think if this actually existed i would still vote no, even if i whole heartedly believed someone was the culprit and even deserved to die. I don't know how some people could live with themselves if they killed an innocent person :// Anyway, even though i am very anti-death penalty, i LOVE morally grey characters and i love dramas with complex and layered storylines like this, can't wait to binge the next 6 episode until the next one comes out in two days :)

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I would vote “no” no matter what also. Maybe it would cause me to advocate for different punishments (ones that fit the crimes a bit more, or have fewer loopholes), but there’s no way I’m going to sentence anyone to death. Excited to have you join our small watching group!

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Episode 7 was a bit of a slower episode, focusing partly on the past and giving us important details. It really made me wish there were 2 episodes each week though! LOL

Now we know who Ji Hoon is in all this. I don't think he will or should be a bad guy.... He has faced a big trauma in his childhood.

Ji Hoon's rain scene was nicely done. Na Rae with her little umbrella. Min with hers. ;-;

Seok Joo has many Number One Fans. Mu Chan was revealed as one, but Seok Joo said that was Na Rae. I'm more inclined to think Mu Chan is not Gaetal and does not have a connection with them after his deep one-on-one with Seok Joo. Such a good scene.

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SBS is killing the momentum 🙄

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I just read there is a possibility episode 8 will be released on the 12th october, not the 5th october. Please.. i am begging you sbs. Just give us the damn episode today 😭 i am already forcing myself to not watch episode 7 so i can binge 7 & 8 together...

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welp. It was confirmed. Episode 8 airs on october 12. I want a word with the person who decided to give this show such a bad timeslot and airing schedule 🔪. They are basically giving their own show a death penalty at this point. Viewership will be even lower

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Ep7 was excellent and the show continues to grow on me with the exception of the casting of Lim Ji-yeon as a police detective. Her overacting and shrieking (my poor ears!) is a constant distraction that takes me out of the plot. She did the same thing during The Glory. To the show’s credit they really ratcheted up the tension in the hospital scenes. Very well done, show!

A big bugaboo of mine is happening. I don’t know too many people who leave the key click on when they type especially if you’re typing at top speed attempting to hack into accounts. Also, at this point in time, police would not be using older style keyboards that click and clack so loudly. I get they have to leave the key click sound on because they want us to believe/hear how fervently everyone is working, but gah, that sound drives me nuts.

Watching Ep8 and within the first 8 minutes Lim Ji-yeon is screeching away.

I’ve heard decent things about Provoke which is also on Prime. Think I’ll give that a try after this Ep.

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episode 8....

oh man, so glad i found this - i have been DYING to find good discussion about this drama.

just finished watching ep8. first off, not sure what the deal is with their schedule, why didn't we get an episode on the 12th? i know sept 28th was due to their national holiday, but why nothing this week? ugh!

anyway, big reveal at the end of ep8 but man i'm still so confused. for one thing, i just cannot seem to square the idea of min-soo - who is so morally repugnant and clearly a psychopath - getting wrapped in anything that involves punishing the guilty. like, i get the general lust for murder, but he is just so twisted that it's hard seeing him in any sort of vigilante role.

i love park hae-jin in this so much. love him anyway, have for ages and he's a must-watch actor for me, glad to see him excelling in this role. and love seeing him with park sung-woong again!

do-hee is going to regret her entanglement, i'm pretty sure. she'll be collateral damage and i'm not sure i care lol. one thing i've always enjoyed about kdramas in particular is that the vast majority of the time, people get what's coming to them. pretty sure she's going to end up being one of those by the end of the drama.

well here's hoping we get a new ep on the 19th!

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I’m confused about Min-soo too. I understand why he’d want to be involved in something like this, because it means he can piggyback off their killings to do his own murders like we saw with the Russian woman, but I don’t understand why any of them would ever work with him. Unless they just don’t know anything at all about each other? Seems like a great way to end up allied with a bunch of super rotten people.

I totally agree that it’s only a matter of time until Do-hee regrets this whole show. I don’t want her dead, but I hope she gets ruined and fired or something. That woman is too hungry and is going to end up with more on her plate than she bargained for.

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@taradiane Glad you're here! It's a shame this drama hasn't gotten a lot of interest anddd the broadcasting for it has sucked. Such a long pause between episodes. >_< The Asian games aired at the same time so they took priority too.

Park Hae Jin is awesome in this. Park Sung Woong is also great! Glad to see them in this mystery drama.

Good point about Min Soo. Can't imaging him being a vigilante. He's vile and selfish.

@jls943 Yup. I see what you mean about him piggybacking. I wonder if he's not actually one of the Gaetals or even the main one.

Do Hee hasn't had a major scene or fallout yet. Really curious to see the repercussions of her new show.

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thanks! i've actually followed this site since the dramafever (RIP) days - when they do full recaps of shows, it helps when i'm confused by something haha. and i like the first impression posts since it'll usually give me a good idea if it's something i want to invest time in or not.

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I suspected that there were accomplices, but I didn’t suspect that there were multiple “Gaetals” so that was huge for me. Except now I’m getting them all confused! Who was the person who was at the meeting with all of them and ended up taking his mask off? Should I know him from a previous episode? Ugh, this schedule is killing my detective ability hard.

So Ji-hoon and his Grandmother are both involved, and I think she is the one whose mortal enemy is in the prison on death row. We saw the face of another (but I didn’t recognize him - help!), and then we find out at the end that Seok-joo is another, and presumably is also some sort of leader. Which one changed the victim to Mu-chan at the last minute? Not Ji-hoon and Grandma, that’s for sure. Min-soo must be involved somehow, since the electricity was surging at his house, but it doesn’t seem like his murder of the Russian woman was part of the plan. And did I see Jordan get a Gaetal text too? Ooph where’s a weecap when you need one…

I don’t know how I feel about the reveal that Seok-joo is (part of) Gaetal. On the one hand, it sort of makes sense, since he’s never seemed repentant for what he did. On the other, how is he working with Min-soo, the instigator of his daughter’s murder? Did he not know who was writing the letters to him? But Hyeon also said that he went wild five years ago when he got the first one, so maybe that was the strong emotional reaction we were all expecting when he found out the truth about the culprit? I’m so confused. Pretty relieved we have four more episodes left because I need to sort all this out hahaha!

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the seok-joo reveal makes it even more confusing as to why min-soo would be involved, because i definitely got the impression that seok-joo is the planner and instigator of it all. like sure we have the 'main' gaetal who is on screen for every vote (at least, i think only one of them is the 'face' for the public), but i got the impression SJ started it all. obviously i could be off in that, just the impression i was left with in those final moments. but that would mean he would know all the other people involved, wouldn't it? is he setting MS up for some grand fall? or was, since the cat is clearly out of the bag.

i legit think MS's mom was involved in the change to mu-chan for that last vote. it would explain her conversation with do-hee, imo.

i'm going to have to re-watch that bit with jo-dan - i know the part you mean but it was so quick.... and i didn't recognize the unmasked guy from the meeting, either, but if he was shown early on i may just not remember (not helpful with the episodes skipping weeks!).

be very interested to see how this plays out in the remaining 4 eps!

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If Min-soo was just another anonymous Gaetal, that would make more sense, because then it would mean that there was a possibility that Seok-joo didn’t even know who it was and was working with him anyway. But he seems to be involved in a different capacity, by providing electricity needed to run the vote and by doing a little murder on the side. That’s what has confused me about Min-soo as potentially Gaetal the whole time - the philosophy is so off. My only consolation is that our leads are aware of this and have said as much, so I’m still thinking we’ll get reasonable explanations for everything. I hope the first letter isn’t gone forever and we get some more insight into this whole issue!

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@taradiane Min Soo's mom being responsible for the switch makes sense! She could be the one that used the high amounts of electricity at their home too while he was away at the police station.

I almost thought the taxi driver was the one who did it, but he seems like just a minion. And he has no motive against Mu Chan. Maybe he only acted out by destroying equipment and causing a disruption. Or he was following orders from Min Soo's mother and uploaded the Mu Chan file. On replaying the scene, there's a shot of a USB? in a computer while he was bashing the cpu screens.

I had to pause when Jo Dan got that random text about shoes. It looked like a straight scam and it was so shady that it came from a Gaetal #1 chat username. He's using the Gaetal social app?? o_O Wonder if he's a police spy. Hope not.

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it just makes sense to me that it's min soo's mom because on top of getting back at the cop she hates for arresting her son, it also deflects attention from him (in her mind) by providing an alibi (again, in her mind as the cops clearly aren't buyin what she's sellin lol).

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Because I enjoy actor Kim Kwon, I finally took the plunge after reading comments, and watched Ep. 8. WOW - Kim Kwon was amazing in that interrogation room. And Seok-joo demanding to know who Gaetel is? Was that an intentional mis-direction? Because Moo-chan has come to the conclusion that SJ IS the mastermind behind Gaetel. Correct?

So, given that I have not watched the prior 7 episodes (and I really wish there was a good recap site) and looking down from the clouds (comments/posted theories), it seems that all is a journey for Seok-joo planning the ultimate revenge against Min-soo. Which seems so. . . . unimaginative for this to be the ultimate end.
The answer is in that 1st letter - which no one has seen. What did Min-soo write in that letter? Did he taunt Seok-joo, admitting that he killed her daughter? Or. . . .OR. . . did he point his finger at someone else. I can’t help it – this show doesn’t really mean much if Min-soo is definitely the daughter’s killer (which I understand is still not 100% certain) and there is no remaining twist, but only one shocking cliffhanger after another on the journey to killing off Min-soo.

I would welcome any information that clears this up. And no, I am NOT going to watch prior episodes at this late date – may do so (Ep. 8 was great script/editing/direction) once it is complete.

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Yes, Mu-chan now thinks that Seok-joo is the mastermind behind the Killing Vote. It’s hard to know if he is the Gaetal #1 or has ever actually been in a dog mask because he’s been in prison this whole time. It would have been tricky, but not impossible, especially given the reverence people have for him in there and the friendly relationship he enjoys with the warden.

The idea that Seok-joo is planning this as a revenge against Min-soo is interesting. I hadn’t really thought about it like that before, but I suppose it could be? It’s just not clear when he found out that Min-soo was the real killer of Na-rae. It sort of seems like it was five years ago when he got the first letter, but we have to assume a lot to get us to that point (that Min-soo is the actual killer, that he is also the author of the letters, that he wrote that info to Seok-joo, and that Seok-joo previously didn’t know, probably others), none of which has been confirmed with actual footage. We do know that Min-soo is a straight up psychopath, even if he didn’t kill the daughter back in the day. I don’t even know if I’m 100% ready to believe that Seok-joo is the OG Gaetal, even though it seems likely at this point. Mu-chan is so huge in this whole dance too - I still wouldn’t be shocked if he turned out to be involved in some capacity (the actual mastermind behind it all?). But even short of that, so much of this show has been a beautiful dance between him and Seok-joo that it seems like it must be a message from one to the other. Or at least part of it.

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Thanks for the detailed response. After reading other forums (and even some comments on DB), many viewers have zero doubt that Min-soo killed the daughter. That he was somehow involved (I haven't watched those scenes) is clear, but I appreciate you explaining that it's not 100% certain.

I thought Min-soo admitted to sending the letters when in the interrogation room, but perhaps that entire scene was one grand set of "implied" statements rather than clearly articulated statements. That scene was wacko - for both men, which frankly is some of the point - just who are the psychos?

If it's not 100% certain that Min-soo killed the daughter, then I'm going with Mom and she will be the final "victim" of the "Killing Vote" and the designated killer will be either Min-soo or Seok-joo. That's my totally unfounded theory but it would be a great twist.

Again, thanks for taking the time to respond.😊

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Yeah, it's tricky because it's heavily implied that Min-soo killed the daughter, but unless I'm mistaken, we haven't seen him in the act in one of the flashbacks. That's usually the measure that I use because otherwise dramas can always back out of things. But I think it's highly unlikely that it was anyone else.

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@Kathryn51 Kim Kwon needs to get some main roles!! So underrated. He needs to play a good guy sometime too lol.

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I think he was a "good" guy in Leverage, but I can't find a streaming site to watch. He played a conflicted man who finally chose the side of good in Witch's Court - that was my intro to him w/in the past year and why I began to track him a little bit.

In Korean entertainment world, my impression is that at some point, actors are typecast and there is no question that Kim Kwon plays intriguing psycho very, very well. Even so, I found him charming in Destined With You - crooked, but charming. I would also love to see him in something different, but a man has to eat. 😊

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Good to know. I have only seen him in a few supporting roles.

I saw one little gif of him in DWY and it was great, heh.

And you're right. Hopefully he stays busy. =)

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He was the best part of He is Psychometric for me. I wasn't really interested by the main leads.

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So the Gaetals are an organization just like some here thought, i suspected it mostly because the Gaetals we saw kept on changing their voice. This reminds me a lot of the group in Inspector Koo. The seven main Gaetals probably promised them to take revenge for them. That's why they have so many of these helpers.

2# is the doc (she roped Ji-Hoon into it)
4# is the one that got arrested
5# Is probably Minsoo, but we haven't seen them in the mask yet i think
?# one of them is the taxidriver
1# everything points to Seok Joo, but they have teased it for so long, not sure i buy it haha (i am guessing the "first letter" might have been a confession? That's the only thing that comes to mind when i think what letter would make him go crazy) if he IS Gaetal he probably has an extra helper in prison (like the guard)

Do you guys think the Gaetals know eachother? I honestly got the impression they have no idea. Maybe even 1# doesn't know. That way it would also explain why possible 1# Seok Joo is working with possible 5#, Minsoo.

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i think it's possible some of them might know each other, but not all - hence the parking garage scene, i got the impression he was trying to find out who the other one was before he drove off.

i'm still heavily leaning toward seok-joo as the one who initiated all of it and knows who all the players are.

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@marblebees Ooh how did you get to seven Gaetals? The number of desks plus the main one? I just went back and counted. XD

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Episode 8:

The reveals and acting were really good! The broadcasting delays affected the show and its ratings badly though. =(

The Gaetals have their own personal motives for joining this group. I think they have revenge/hatred against someone and want to cover up their crimes with this grand ol' group scheme.

Dong Gyu is Gaetal #3 who was the taxi driver that drove the first voted criminal.

Ji Hoon's grandmother (the prison doctor and Gaetal #2) has a personal target = Moon Chang Hoon, the death row inmate.

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I had gotten #2, but thank you so much for reminding me who #3 was! Someday I’ll binge this in a rewatch and actually remember everything 😅

They are all using the voice changing devices, but they still sound different from each other. The subordinate Gaetals didn’t seem to have the same voice as the broadcast Gaetal. Or did I imagine that? Anyway, I’m ready for more reveals to clear some of this up! Or make us even more confused hahaha!

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Yup, their voices sounded different despite the voice altering.

I can't recognize any of their voices though.

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omggggg you guys! the end of ep 9! and the preview for next ep! won't spoil for those who haven't seen it yet (uploaded today but the date says 10/11? i know this ep wasn't there the other day) but MAN my heart sunk at what joo-hyun found in that file. UGH CLIFFHANGERS.

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Episode 9:

I feel like I need a chart, and I doubt I’m the only one hahaha! I almost think #1 is Ji-hoon, since taxi driver (#5, right?) said that he’s the one who built the system, and Ji-hoon was apologizing for not having tighter security. Then #2 is Grandma, #4 is the one who killed the doctor and got arrested, and they are being a bit tight-lipped with #3, who apparently knows Seok-joo well. I don’t think that Seok-joo has a number, since he was in prison and I don’t think was one of the ones in masks. But obviously I could be super wrong about that. I instantly thought that Mu-chan could be #3, but then when Grandma asked about it, it makes me think it could be a misdirection instead.

So the first letter was definitely from Min-soo and definitely revealed that he killed Na-rae, and the audio (video?) file on the computer is pretty good evidence too. (But we already knew that existed because the poor accomplice showed it to Seok-joo back in the day.) That explains why we hadn’t gotten a rise out of Seok-joo when we (the audience) were finding out about the real murderer, and he did have a pretty intense reaction five years ago. I can’t imagine all the different levels of awfulness that must be. Ji-hoon wasn’t able to let go either, and I wasn’t sure whether to feel happy that he reunited with Seok-joo or sad that it was under these circumstances.

Finally we were able to clear up some of Min-soo’s involvement too! So he’s not a Gaetal but he’s trying to co-opt their whole operation, which means it was either him or his mom who switched the target to Mu-chan during the last vote. And the electricity was surging at his house during the vote because he was running all the hacky stuff (it’s a technical term, try to keep up 🤓) to steal it from the real Gaetals! It’s all coming together. I wonder if his whole motivation is to get Seok-joo to pay attention to him. That obsession runs deep.

I really appreciated what Jjoo Hyun said to the reporter about how she says she’s making a show about justice but really it’s just a contract killing show. I often find Hyun annoying, but then she has moments like that I and forgive her.

Ok Beanies, tell me all the things I got wrong! I’m sure there are lots, and will be more by the end of this journey.

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I think Mu Chan's sunbae cop, Jin Soo, could be part of the Gaetal group. He had a scene saying a cryptic phrase to someone on the phone.

Seok Joo mentioned he has known the other Gaetal (#3?) for a while and I'm pretty sure Jin Soo was around back then with Na Rae's case.

Yeah, I agree about Hyun. I don't mind her much. Just less shouting would be great.

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Wait, not #3 cuz that's the taxi driver.

A different # Gaetal. XD

Ugh, I looked back at my comments. Already forgot some details.

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I’m going to have to go back and check for the numbers. I thought the taxi driver was #3 last week but then this week I thought that’s the one Seok-joo and Grandma were talking about? I need to check numbers again.

This is such a fun drama and it’s so frustrating that it’s taken a million years to air so we can’t keep everything straight 😔

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The father&son reunion was so lovely and poignant! It felt a bit quick that they were back to business after. On the other hand, they got probs with their program being hijacked and Seok Joo being a fugitive now. 😅

The last scene was nicely thrilling, background music and all. I kept thinking that there would be back up cameras of Min Soo's private room so he still would know Hyun was there.

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My heart broke when younger Ji-hoon reached for Seok-joo’s hand in the prison! It’s nice that they’ve been in contact this whole time, even if it’s for a really twisted reason.

Did Ji-hoon seem more… open? In ep 9? When he met up with Min, he was smiling more and seemed more relaxed and I wondered if it was because his father is now out and about or if he was just happy to see her after a few days/weeks apart. She knows he’s lying about where he lives though. I hope they don’t get torn apart.

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Oh, I felt the same! It was a bittersweet surprise.

Yeah, he seemed less reserved which is great. Maybe more due to being with his father again. He hasn't confided in Min about anything. Friendly, but keeping a distance. I'm sure he doesn't want her to get involved though. I still hope they stick together too.

Maybe Min does some snooping, reporting type stuff. XD She may be patient and keeping quiet for now, but her curiosity and concern will cause her to act.

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EP 10

not gonna lie, i did not predict who was going to be the voice behind the mask doing all of the streamed vote presentations. i mean, it was him doing all of them, yeah? was that your guys' understanding also? because of the 10pm thing? man, that's a lot for a young kid.

two eps left!

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After sitting and thinking about it, I could.

Who would think to look for a high school student. This set up took a lot of capital to create and complete. And Hyun looks really stupid for not keeping all of this stuff close to her chest, especially around her sister and Ji hoon. Come on now, you police officer.

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definitely agree on the total lack of discretion aspect. that's just dumb.

also, while i have a lot of sympathy for seok-joo, i'm low-key judging him for letting ji-hoon get involved in this entire thing. he was meant to be like a father to him and this is what he's done? shameful, honestly.

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I have not loved Hyun's character from the beginning. She honestly needs to be a high-level data analyst, and not a cyber crime cop. I get that he's a high school kid, but even her sister can get loads of info out of her.

I agree about Seok-joo also. As soon as we confirmed that Ji-hoon was involved in this my heart broke for him. He should have gotten loads of therapy, not been taught how to take revenge.

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The casting of Shin Jung Keun should have been a clue, but I didn't this it would be that side.

And having the casting office in a internet cafe is pretty genius and it makes sense they could never really locate it.

Episode 10 was damn good.

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With some dramas, I know what I hope will happen, what I think is likely to happen, and who I want to get a good ending. With this drama I honestly don’t know. I love Ji-hoon and I don’t want him to go to prison forever, but also he helped plan and operate a system that killed people in incredibly brutal ways. I like Seok-joo and I understand his trauma, but he made an awful decision eight years ago and continues to make merciless decisions now. I like Mu-chan but he’s a crooked cop who will do anything he needs to in order to secure a conviction, even when that method has had disastrous results in the past. They were all so broken by Na-rae’s death in different ways. I know one thing: I hope Min-soo and his terrible mother get what’s coming to them. Actually, the mom might be my least favorite character. She should have gotten him help/separated him from society when he was a kid killing dogs.

@loveblossom called it on Jin-soo being suspicious, but it was in the opposite direction! Aaaand if anyone still had any doubts (not really me but it’s nice to be sure), we finally got drama-level confirmation of Na-rae’s murderer. I don’t think there’s any backing out of the video evidence.

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Ah, sorry, I keep forgetting to label my comments! This is a reflection on ep 10.

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This series is, to me, a anti hero series. No one is going to 'win' or have their closure.

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Absolutely, it definitely is. I just feel like, even in anti-hero stories, I usually have hopes and dreams for some of the characters. Maybe it’s better this way - I’m less likely to be disappointed!

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Yup. With this episode... I felt a sadness for Ji Hoon. He's still so young and then he got involved in this whole scheme.

I was surprised Jin Soo was on the bad side! It was a nice twist.
And then we had another cop who was a Gaetal minion too.

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I think Mu Chan is going to resist and not completely join Seok Joo's side. He may be real tempted to let Min Soo die, but he won't. Especially when he has a ton of officers watching him. I wonder if he will remember Hyun's criticism before he does anything extreme in the end.

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FYI, Episode 11 was delayed to next week~ (11/9/23). 😩😩

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ugh! i came here because i kept seeing 'video unavailable' next to the thumbnail on the list to ask if anyone else was seeing that or if it was just me....

seriously they're shooting the ratings in the foot with the skipping weeks and delays.

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went from SHEER JOY to UTTER SADNESS

who was that beating ji-hoon at the end??

man. so much to process from that episode.

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This finale is gonna be brutal. No one is walking away from this case alive and /or the same.

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The finale is releasing in korea in less than 5 hours as i am writing this, mark me down as very scared for everyones well being... having the strong feeling this does not end in a happy end. I want to read the webtoon after this, interested what kind of changes they made. I already know they made the criminals in the drama a lot more guilty than the webtoon? At least from what i read so far.

I think Seokjoo has a high chance of dying, even though i really don't want that for him.

Just as i thought, i am still as against the idea of killing vote even after learning all the tragic backstories and the people that died mostly deserving it, like i was at the beginning... they even dragged a student/minor into this whole thing, i hope all Gaetals are caught in the end. With as little death as possible.

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Episode 12:
I think I need more time to think about this ending. Honestly I was in total disbelief about Ji-hoon’s end (similar to how I was during Heartbeat, I thought they were going to bring him back until the credits rolled pretty much. Even though it wouldn’t have made sense). The one character I wanted to come out of this okay. I’m going to need him in more dramas immediately please and thank you.

I guess the point of it is that nothing will change as long as people are still victimized and there is a lack of justice in the world? I suppose it’s the ending we were always headed toward, but it was still a little difficult to swallow. I did think that some things would change for the better, but the only bright points in that ending were the individuals’ relationships with each other.

Who do you think started the vote back up at the end? Kim Mu-chan, who got what might have been the program by special delivery? Kwon Seok-joo, who claims that he regrets not accepting his daughter’s death at the time and resulting in Ji-hoon’s death? The prison guard, who was the most motivated to continue the project (I wish we’d gotten more backstory revealed for him)? Assemblywoman Min, who was teaming up with another psychopathic hacker at the end to kill someone else’s daughter? Ooph. This feels heavier now that I’m typing it out. Looking forward to reading other peoples’ thoughts though!

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I don't think it's killing for them. I think it's to do the maximum damage that results in death, not necessarily at their hands. The Assemblywoman would be absolutely stupid to keep the vote going knowing what she went through and will be one of the 1st suspects. She doesn't have the money and power she had before and wants to get that back. She would have to lay low to get that going again. I think she is just going to reek havoc since out entire being is technology now.

JiHoon's time was written on the wall the second he decided not to leave the country. When you create chaos, you are sometimes your own collateral damage.

I don't think Kwon (who I believe is totally alive) sent Mu chan the vote software, I think he sent him a file on all the remaining members of their group so Mu Chan can clean the last of that up, which is why Mu Chan went after that douche at the end. I think Kwon is done is waiting so see this wrapped up so he can join his kids in the afterlife. He was just not longed to be here for much longer.

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Yeah but Mu-chan was going after that Gaetal even before he got the flashdrive, so I don’t think that was the info it contained. I found Mu-chan’s ending really intriguing because he has always had some Gaetal-like tendencies and after going through the emotional ordeal of this case, it wouldn’t surprise me if he took the next step down that path.

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Maybe the new hacker made a copy of the program or was able to create similar one. I think the prison guard is dead. The man found in the news article could possibly be him or Seok Joo. The twist about the prison guard being a Gaetal was cool. He didn't get much backstory in the end and I don't think he's important enough to take on a big role in a second season.

I wonder what would be Seok Joo's role or goal if he was alive. (He's probably alive.) If a new, super evil The Killing Vote was made, then he could be motivated to fight against a copycat and against Assemblywoman Min.

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I was thinking about the prison guard’s lack of backstory and wondering why he became a Gaetal, but the more I think about it the more I think they gave us the whole thing. He hated all the prisoners and always lashed out at them and I think his dislike of Seok-joo that we saw all series was genuine. But he also hated the other prisoners enough that he was willing to team up with one to get his version of justice on people who were punished too leniently (or not at all). We don’t know the trigger, but all the other relevant bits of his story are there. And he was incredibly committed to the cause - he was happy to have Seok-joo die for it and desperate to keep it going in the end. That’s also why I’m less confident about whose hand it was that we saw grab the flashdrive in the end - Prison Guard Gaetal seems decently likely.

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Hmm, yeah I agree. He was consistently showed his hatred back then til now.

Good point. He did want to continue the program and take over after Seok Joo.

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Whew.. Gathering my thoughts now.

I thought after Min Soo's death, the show would falter, but it still kept up with the suspense and action.

I thought Seok Joo and Ji Hoon would survive and turn themselves in or get caught and face the law. Or Seok Joo would be the only one to die. I didn't expect it to be Ji Hoon. T_T Gosh, I was crying hard because of him. His grandma's reaction. Seok Joo's reaction. And again when Min received his text message delivery 1 year later.

On one hand, I was sad for his young soul. To get caught up in all this and then his life was cut short. On the other hand, he willingly took part and had a major role in the killing vote plan. It was realistic that Seok Joo and any of the Gaetals would be in danger by being part of this whole scheme.

There were good dialogue scenes. Seok Joo admitting his fault, Ji Hoon shouldn't have been involved. Mu Chan and Seok Joo. Admitting their mistakes with Na Rae's case.

I didn't mind that Min Soo's mother escaped punishment for now. The main culprit was Min Soo and Na Rae's case is finally closed. Min Soo dying due to his own mother's action was a wickedly good move.

Glad Jo Dan was not a spy! His loveline with the other cop was completely random and last minute.

The time skip is a typical element, but it kinda seemed fast. I was probably not over Ji Hoon's death though.

I liked that this show had more of an emotional draw than just weekly criminal cases. There was no sudden romance between Mu Chan and Hyun. I liked that there wasn't much teamwork between them. They shared info most of the time, but they weren't immediate friends or close.

I would be open to a second season... However, the writers rarely ever get them right.

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I was so heartbroken about Ji-hoon too. Cried harder than I have while watching a drama in a while. I get what you mean about him knowingly taking part in the whole scheme, and I agree there is no way he should have gotten away with it or anything, but I was shocked and totally saddened by his death. That moment when he said that in the end he just really wanted to say he loved his sister - ugh I was not okay. Even though he was a willing participant, he was only 14 when they started this scheme, which is way too young not to get swept up in the wave of your father-figure’s revenge. I just feel like he never really stood a chance.

I’m so glad they never went for a romance between Mu-chan and Hyun! There was a scene once when Mu-chan was having a nightmare and ended up holding a dead/dying Hyun and I got worried for a minute, but that was the closest they came and I’m glad. That way we got to focus on all the complex relationships already happening and weren’t distracted by a romance they tossed in half heartedly.

If they ever make a second season of this, I’ll be waiting until the whole thing comes out (and then reading some reviews) before I begin.

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True. I tried to not let my bias about his age get to me. He was undoubtedly and easily influenced by Seok Joo.

Yup, I'm also glad they didn't have a romance! There was enough compelling story to work with already.

Haha, the 1 weekly episode is something I don't want to deal with again. ^^"

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see, the assemblywoman not facing punishment was INFURIATING for me. of all the people not to get what was coming to them... man i wanted her in prison. i *needed* her in prison.

they definitely laid groundwork for a 2nd season but it's also fine wrapped us as is because yeah, history just goes on repeating. i'd never turn down more park hae-jin though lol. i honestly thought it was his hand grabbing the flash drive in the water.

this was a heavy drama for sure. i need to sit with this finale for a while.

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