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W–Two Worlds: Episode 8

I… was going to write words, and they were going to make sense, and they were going to be about W. Perhaps they would’ve been words about the love story, or about the fantasy-within-a-fantasy wish-fulfillment of this heightened world, or about my feelings, because I have a lot of them while watching this show. But then I watched this episode, and then my brain exploded.

The End.

Or is it just the beginning?

 

 
EPISODE 8 RECAP

Terror sets in as Kang Chul is threatened by No-Face Killer, who has somehow gotten into the real world and is speaking to Chul via chyrons appearing out of thin air. No-Face wants to know how Chul got back into the manhwa world, and notes menacingly that Chul has a new family now.

Yeon-joo stirs awake just as No-Face hangs up on Chul, and she can tell that something’s wrong. But Chul tucks his gun away and just asks her how the last frame of Dad’s manhwa changed from “The End” to “To be continued.” Yeon-joo says she doesn’t know how or why—it just changed one day, and she assumed that there was a reason the story couldn’t end there.

They’re interrupted by the housekeeper, who has a whole array of party dresses lined up for Yeon-joo to choose from. Chul tells her that he heard she had a hard time letting go of Romantic Option One—the Cinderella party—and figured he’d just give her both. (Ahem, what about Option Four?)

He’s been invited to a party at the Blue House and tells her to pick a dress, adding helpfully, “For your information, the more skin it shows, the more I like it.” Am I blushing? Stop that, face! The attendants point out the dress with the lowest neckline, and Yeon-joo laughs nervously and says they shouldn’t take Chul seriously.

Do-yoon calls after trying to trace the phone calls from No-Face, but he’s come up empty. Chul tells him to keep trying, and sits down at his desk to start a new case report for his crime show W. He writes that he’s going to throw away all prior case files and formulate a new hypothesis from here on out: There is a true culprit.

Chul thinks back to the moment when No-Face killed his family and discarded the gun in the alley, and as we see Dad’s hand drawing the frame, Chul narrates that god did not give him physical matter, and so the killer has none—he has no face, and no identity. He writes: “He was born solely to kill my family. So he feels no guilt over murder. He feels no sadness, and of course no pleasure. Because he has no character.”

Chul writes that the killer was merely a tool to make him dedicate his life to fighting crime, and will appear whenever he’s needed in the story, and disappear when he’s not. Chul concludes: “In any space, in any form, without needing any context, according to god’s whims… he can appear at any time and kill.” Well, shit.

Yeon-joo chooses the lacy pink dress and tiptoes out into the living room, wondering if this will be appropriate for such a fancy event. She worries that there will be dancing and twirls across the room by herself, giving the bodyguards something to chuckle over.

She shows Chul the dress and asks if it looks okay, but when she’s met with a silent stare because he’s still so lost in thought over No-Face and his threat to kill her, she assumes that she looks weird and shuffles back out to go change.

Chul finally says, “Go back,” and she points out that she’s already heading back to the dressing room. But he meant back home to her world because it’s dangerous here, and asks if there isn’t some way for her to go home. She doesn’t know how—it’s not like she can control the coming and going—and asks what’s gotten into him.

Without warning, a bullet suddenly flies through the window past Chul. He whips his head around to see where the shot came from, and when he looks back at Yeon-joo, she’s already been shot in the forehead, just like his family.

She falls to the ground in slow-motion as Chul watches, horrified. He peers over his desk to see her body on the floor, except when he does, she isn’t there. He draws in a breath. Did she return to her world?

But he’s shocked when Yeon-joo asks what’s wrong. Oh, did he imagine the whole thing? Gah, stop that! He just rushes over to her and wraps his arms around her in an embrace, relieved that she’s okay. He kisses her on the forehead tenderly, and just holds her for a good long while.

They take a limo to the party, and Chul reminds Yeon-joo to smile for the cameras as they exit. She’s so nervous that she gulps down champagne and decides that maybe she can’t do this after all, but he takes her hand and says to just follow his lead.

So she plasters a nervous smile on her face as they walk the red carpet, but once they’re inside, she gets lost in the real Cinderella moment as he kisses her hand and leads her to the dance floor. Wait a minute, is this a fantasy too? Because for someone who was so worried about the dancing, she seems to suddenly know what to do.

They glide around the dance floor, gazing lovingly into each other’s eyes as he twirls her around and around. Oh, but I spoke too soon—at the final dip, Yeon-joo’s foot slips and she goes crashing to the ground…

…And she falls out of bed as she wakes up from her dream. Ha, was she clumsy in her own fantasy? (Seriously though, now I’m confused about what did happen and didn’t happen, because that was one too many fantasies.)

The bodyguard comes running in and awkwardly offers to help her up from the floor, and Chul rushes in with gun in hand. He wonders how she fell out of bed, and Yeon-joo says sheepishly that she was having a very sweet dream.

She asks if all the bodyguards are necessary, and points out that No-Face can’t harm her no matter what he threatened, because she’s invincible in this world. Chul says that there’s no rule in the universe that doesn’t have variables, so until they can locate No-Face, they’re housebound.

Yeon-joo begins to pout that she just got out of prison only to end up imprisoned here, and rattles off a string of complaints, like the fact that he canceled on the party they were going to, and he told her to mark the sweet romantic things she wanted to do in his book, and promised to do ten a day…

Chul just finds the pouting adorable and offers to do anything in that book that can be done inside the house. I can think of a few. He leads her by the hand into the kitchen, with two giant bodyguards clipping at their heels the whole way.

Once they get there though, Chul grimaces and admits that he only knows how to cook one thing: ramyun. Yeah, we know, you learned that in high school. After watching him look for ramyun packets in the oven, Yeon-joo realizes that Chul doesn’t know his way around the kitchen at all and takes over. She tells him to learn how to cook something for real and make it up to her then.

He seems happy to be absolved of cooking duties for the time being and chitchats while Yeon-joo cooks, wondering about something he can’t understand—why her father is like that. Uh, you’re gonna have to be more specific—Dad’s got a lot of things wrong with him.

Chul assumes that No-Face acts according to Dad’s orders, and he doesn’t get why Dad would give the command for No-Face to kill his own daughter. Yeon-joo says that Dad wouldn’t do that, and besides, he quit drawing for good.

As she talks, she accidentally slices the tip of her finger as she cuts the green onions, and the bodyguards overreact and run to fetch the nurse on Chul’s orders. Yeon-joo doesn’t see the need for that much medical attention, and Chul just smiles and tends to the cut.

He’s the first to realize that something is wrong, though, and he looks at her bleeding finger again in alarm. “Why are you bleeding? You’re not supposed to bleed…” he says, eyes wide. She looks down at her finger, and a new terror starts to dawn on Chul’s face: “This… means that you’ll die if you’re shot with a gun.” Craaaap.

As soon as he says it, Yeon-joo looks down at the corner of the screen, where the “To be continued” chyron is being written. She doesn’t even have a chance to say anything before she vanishes, and Chul slumps down, fraught with worry.

Yeon-joo appears back in her old bedroom in Dad’s house, her finger still bleeding. She bandages the wound and goes to read the latest issue of the webtoon, and sees for herself that No-Face threatened to put a bullet in her forehead, and that Chul imagined it happening. She tries calling Dad, but there’s no answer.

Back in Chul’s world, he paces back and forth wondering why the rules have changed—Dad and Yeon-joo were once invincible in his world, but now everything is different, and he has no idea why. He waits in the kitchen all night, but Yeon-joo doesn’t return.

So-hee calls him the next morning, drunk and crying. She wonders if Yeon-joo is sleeping next to him right now and asks if he really got married, because it hasn’t really hit her yet that this is real. She knows it’s her own fault for waiting around and thinking that it would lead to them being together in the end, but she cries that everyone else thought so too. Lol, an entire fandom, in fact.

So-hee: “What am I? What was I to you?” She swigs another glass of wine, when she suddenly notices her hand flickering in and out. Oh no, she’s disappearing! Chul recalls Do-yoon describing this the other night, and on the phone he overhears So-hee scream and drop her glass, when she looks in the mirror and sees her reflection flicker into a manhwa drawing.

Chul drives over to her, racking his brain the whole way, trying to make sense of what’s happening. He remembers opening the manhwa back in the real world and seeing the cast of main characters on the front page—Kang Chul, So-hee, Do-yoon, No-Face Killer, Assemblyman Han, and Ajusshi—all created for a purpose in the story.

In flashback, we see Ajusshi’s hand start to fade after Kang Chul told him that he was going to get rid of the crime show and stop chasing the killer. And in the present, So-hee’s entire body starts to look translucent. Chul realizes: “When that [character’s] purpose disappears, they cease to exist… in this world, forever?”

And then it occurs to him that the opposite will be true too: “When a character’s purpose becomes certain, they’re fixed as main characters… by force?” He’s thinking of Yeon-joo, of course, and back in her world, she’s come to more or less the same conclusion: “Have I become an actual manhwa character? Because I married the hero?” Really, are they having the same train of the thought at the exact same time? The exposition in this scene is so unnatural.

Chul wonders why No-Face didn’t disappear then, and that’s when he realizes that the killer could be like him—finding a purpose to exist on his own. “Did he become self-aware? Like me?” he wonders.

And to confirm it, we see No-Face walking around in Chul’s world after he’d stopped time and left through the portal. No-Face marched past the frozen people and leapt through the portal too, ending up on the same rooftop where Chul had first arrived in Yeon-joo’s world. Chul wonders in horror, “The culprit… is in the outside world?”

That’s exactly where he is, of course, and we see No-Face when he first arrived in the real world, when he’d bumped into a drunken man in the street. The really freaky part? Whenever No-Face talked, chyrons appeared on the screen, even in the real world. WTF. How? Why? Is this world even real?

No-Face asked where this was and where Kang Chul was, and then he’d come across a magazine in a store window, lamenting the end of Kang Chul’s manhwa without revealing the killer’s identity. No-Face crushed the window and grabbed the magazine, and Chul narrates that he was enraged: “Because the only one who desired to know the culprit’s identity more than me… was the culprit himself.”

No-Face stood on the bridge where Chul had jumped, and asked angrily how Kang Chul could die like this without finding him, when he waited ten years. I guess when you put it like that, yours was the saddest existence of all.

Chul narrates that No-Face was the one who stopped the manhwa from ending, because he couldn’t stand for it to end that way. The worst part is that now No-Face is stuck there where Yeon-joo is, not knowing how to get back to the manhwa world.

Yeon-joo worries that Chul is worrying about her, and she’s surprised when someone calls the workshop early in the morning. At first no one speaks, but then No-Face’s scary voice asks as the words appear before her, “You… came back? You’re Oh Sung-moo’s daughter, aren’t you? You’re Oh Yeon-joo, the woman who married Kang Chul, aren’t you?” Ack!

I don’t know why, but the image of No-Face using a cell phone like a real person just creeps me out. He’s standing in the publisher’s office as he makes the call from an assistant’s phone, and he memorizes Dad’s address before vanishing into thin air. More people arrive at the office, not realizing that the assistant has been strangled to death at her desk.

Thinking quickly, Yeon-joo grabs a drawing tablet and laptop and drags Su-bong out of bed. She has to yank his sleepy ass to the car and yell for him to just drive them away from the house, which he fiiinally does just in time for No-Face to appear in Dad’s workshop. Okay, I officially hate that he can teleport. How are you supposed to run away from that?

Su-bong sighs that he’s tired of things happening to them, and says he’d no longer be surprised by anything. Yeon-joo is still flailing and tells him not to answer any phone calls because the killer is looking for her, and the second she says it, they round the corner and see No-Face standing in their path.

She tries to tell Su-bong to reverse, but he doesn’t really register what’s happening until they’ve stopped just a few feet away. No-Face raises his gun, and Su-bong stammers, “That… that’s a g-gun. A gun. A gun. That’s a gun! NOONA, THAT’S A GUN!”

Yeon-joo screams at him to back up, so he puts the car in reverse and guns it… only to hit a lamppost and bring them to a full stop. The killer doesn’t even move, and just pulls the trigger.

The bullet travels in slow-motion, headed straight for Yeon-joo’s forehead. It flies through the windshield and comes right at her…

…But before it can make contact, Yeon-joo vanishes and the bullet pierces the seat’s headrest. Oh phew.

She reappears in the passenger seat of Chul’s car, and he’s so busy calling to see if Yeon-joo came home that he doesn’t notice she’s sitting next to him until she speaks. He asks if she’s okay, and in between gasping breaths, she says that No-Face just tried to kill her.

He kisses her on the forehead and pulls her into a hug, and once she’s calmed down a little, Yeon-joo worries about having left Su-bong back there with the killer.

Back in said car, Su-bong pleads for dear life, promising to live kindly if he’s spared. He’s so busy being terrified that he doesn’t notice No-Face coming closer and vanishing once he sees that Yeon-joo is gone. Well, at least he’s a killer with a singular purpose. How’s that for a silver lining?

Chul guesses as much and thinks that Su-bong will be okay, but Yeon-joo worries that the killer will seek her out at Mom’s house too. Back in her world, Su-bong flees from the car as soon as he sees that Yeon-joo has vanished, and he runs into her mother, who’s just arrived in the neighborhood to look for Yeon-joo. Su-bong gets in the car and begs her to drive them in the other direction, away from Dad’s.

No-Face returns to Dad’s workshop and finds a receipt for Dad’s flight to New Zealand. Yikes, he’s not going to teleport there, is he? On the flight, one of Dad’s fans approaches him for an autograph and asks about the sequel, but Dad doesn’t answer his questions.

Just before landing, Dad goes to the bathroom on the plane, where No-Face’s voice and matching chyrons suddenly appear, asking, “Who am I? Where is Kang Chul? Who am I? Why won’t you tell me who I am?” The villain is having an existential crisis?!

Dad reaches for the door handle, but then No-Face’s hand suddenly flashes into being and grabs Dad’s hand first. Dad looks over his shoulder in terror…

From outside, a flight attendant hears a violent scuffle inside the restroom, but no one answers when she knocks. The noise goes on for a while, and then everything goes silent, and the door clicks open. Ohmygod, did he take Dad?

In the manhwa world, Yeon-joo realizes that they’ve arrived outside So-hee’s apartment. Chul tries the door but there’s no answer and he doesn’t know her lock code. He asks if maybe Yeon-joo’s seen it in the manhwa, and Yeon-joo thinks back to a conversation where she and the other girls in Dad’s workshop teased Su-bong for being in love with So-hee. Um, is he trying to feed a paper cutout So-hee doll?

Su-bong had bragged about how he made her apartment number his birthday and her lock code his phone number, and voila—that code still works and gets them inside. Chul asks Yeon-joo to stay near the door and heads in by himself, where he finds the floor littered with glass shards and So-hee curled up and crying, looking almost completely translucent now.

So-hee asks what’s happening to her and cries that she’s dying, and Yeon-joo overhears her and puts two and two together, based on what she saw in the webtoon about Do-yoon seeing So-hee’s hands vanish.

Chul tries delicately to act like nothing is happening, and he says that she’s just had too much to drink and will be fine. That calms her down for a second, but when he takes her arm, she sees the wedding ring on his finger and starts to flicker again. She cries that she thought she’d marry him someday and asks again, “What am I?”

The more she asks that, the faster she vanishes, so Chul looks her in the eye and says that his marriage is all fake and it means nothing. Agh, I know you’re doing it to save So-hee, but that hurt.

Chul assures her that it’s not a real marriage and says, “You’re important to me. You’re the person closest to me. I need you for the rest of my life.” So-hee asks in a small voice, “You need me?” And with that, she becomes solid again.

Chul wipes her tears and hugs her, and promises that after she gets some sleep, everything will be fine. Then he looks over at Yeon-joo, who’s been standing there the whole time.

While So-hee sleeps, Yeon-joo patches up her scrapes, and Chul thinks back to a mundane memory of being in high school and telling So-hee that he was going to switch majors, and bragging about how he was a genius so he’d be good at anything. Aw, they were so cute.

Yeon-joo says that she’d forgotten for a moment that So-hee was the heroine of this manhwa: “This is because of me, isn’t it?” Chul replies honestly, “It’s because of the wretched fate your father created. The character’s predetermined setup, her reason for existing. It’s cruel, isn’t it? How can there be only one reason you were born and exist? We’re people too.”

Yeon-joo cries on the way back, murmuring aloud that it’s all a mess, and this isn’t the sequel she wanted at all. Chul sees her crying and decides to write a letter to Yeon-joo’s father, which he starts typing into his phone.

As they ride the elevator up to his suite, Chul notices Yeon-joo’s untied shoelace and bends down to retie it, remembering that it was one of the romantic things in their book. She asks if now is really the time to do their homework, and he takes her hand and decides to go up to the roof.

Yeon-joo remembers meeting here for the first time, and she flips her hair and calls him lucky for having met such a good doctor in his time of need. He agrees that he was lucky, and then he withdraws his hand before asking her to draw something for him when she returns to her world.

He asks her to draw him waking up from a dream—to make it so that everything from meeting her on the roof that night until now is all one long dream. What, no! He says that it’s the only solution he can think of—to return to the time before he ever thought of Yeon-joo as the key to his life, to before he discovered that he was a manhwa character, before the killer followed him out into the real world, and his friends started disappearing.

The most important thing, Chul says, is that Yeon-joo can’t die, because he can’t bear to witness that. He says that if they can return to before he knew her, then he won’t think of her and keep pulling her back into this world. But! She’ll remember you! That’s so cruel!

Chul says that he didn’t know how to go on living before, but now he knows: “I should just live according to my fate, and if my reason for existing is to forever chase a culprit that can never be caught, then I have to do that.” Noooo!

He asks what Yeon-joo thinks, and whether she understands him. She nods slowly and finally lifts her head, her eyes brimming with tears. He asks her to draw him waking up from the dream and not remembering any of it, and hands her a flash drive with his letter to her father on it.

He makes her promise to draw it right away, because they don’t know when No-Face will appear again. She promises in a shaky voice, and Chul begins to step away from her, saying that the one thing he regrets is that they only got to do four of the things on her sweet romance list, when he had at least a hundred things he wanted to do for her.

He steps farther and farther away while saying, “I want to hold you one more time, but I can’t do that either, because I’ll be reluctant to let go.” She asks where he’s going, and he gets to the edge of the roof and says they don’t have time and this is the only way to make sure she returns home.

He tells her, “Forget me now. I’m just a character in a manhwa. If you miss me, you can go to the bookstore and see me there. Be well.” He gives her a tiny smile, and then leans back, letting himself just fall off the ledge. Yeon-joo gasps, and then we fade to black.

Tears spill down Kang Chul’s face as he wakes up in the hospital, all the way back to the morning after his stabbing attack. So-hee comes in to say that she hasn’t found anything in the CCTV footage, and asks if he cried.

Chul wipes his eyes and looks curiously at the tears on his fingers, and says it feels like he dreamt something, but can’t remember what.

And back in her world, Yeon-joo sits in the passenger seat of Su-bong’s car, still with the bullet hole in the windshield, hurriedly drawing the webtoon just like Chul asked. She finishes the frame she needs to in order to make it all a dream, and then bursts into tears when she looks down at the wedding ring on her finger.

Chul looks down at his own hand curiously, having forgotten Yeon-joo entirely.

 
COMMENTS

Excuse me while I go dig myself a dark hole to go cry in for the next twelve hours. I can’t believe we just reset Kang Chul’s whole world back to zero. He’ll never know that he loved her! And she has to carry all their happy memories all by herself! You guys, when they did this to Buffy and Angel, I cried for DAYS. Is this writer trying to kill me with my own emotions? Because it seems like that’s what she’s trying to do. She’s clearly also trying to break my brain, because now we’re adding a new time element to the story, where we’ve gone back in Kang Chul’s timeline but forward in Yeon-joo’s, and we have absolutely no idea what the rules are for messing with time in the manhwa world. Is it like amnesia? Could something trigger a past-future memory? And what’s to keep Kang Chul from doing the same thing all over again, if it’s already in his nature to ask all those questions and become self-aware?

Now I see why it felt like we’d zoomed through an entire drama in the first six episodes, and Episodes 7 and 8 turned out to be an interlude in fantasyland—because now we’re starting all over again. Though to what end is anybody’s guess. I feel like we’re embarking on a behavioral experiment, to see if our characters will make the same choices all over again. And if so, is that predetermination, or free will? Because if Kang Chul is in danger, will Yeon-joo really be able to stop herself from saving him? And if she already saved him on the roof, what’s to keep him from looking for her and writing her character into the manhwa like last time?

This is such a cruel story turn for Yeon-joo, but I don’t mind the romantic angst that we get in return, because this is the type of amnesia arc that I actually like, where you get to anticipate the characters falling in love a second time. And it can be sweet rather than angsty, a la I Hear Your Voice, so that makes me feel slightly better about Yeon-joo having to be the only one who knows how good they could’ve had it. Slightly. And plotwise, there’s even more at stake because we don’t know what the ripple effect will be if Kang Chul does fall in love with her again and suddenly remembers things from the first timeline. Bah, are we going to have to make parallel timeline charts? I didn’t really anticipate homework. Time-bending really does a number on me.

It’s time for Dad to get involved, that’s for sure, though I don’t know if he has much choice in the matter after No-Face kidnapped him. But can he undo the damage that ten years of lazy writing and bad character motivation has done? I guess that’s what retconning is for. I’m amused that even the killer is having an existential crisis, because it makes him seem more human and relatable, despite not having a face. Though that still doesn’t explain why the hell he gets speech bubbles even in the real world. There are a lot of reasons to suspect that Yeon-joo’s world isn’t even the real world, but that one is extra fishy if you ask me. Also, how come the rules change in every episode?! How’s a watcher supposed to know what danger lurks around the next act break with the rules always shifting like sand? It’s stressful!

It’s an interesting conundrum to wish that fate would prevail and draw Kang Chul and Yeon-joo back to each other, while also hoping that they can rise above their predetermined fates. When Kang Chul just gave up his free will in order to save everyone around him, it was crushing—more than him giving up his love—because he’d come to understand how utterly pointless his entire existence was, and yet was willing to just go back to that endless hamster wheel knowingly. Part of it felt like the ultimate sacrifice in order to protect the people he loves, and part of it felt like defeat, because he’d seen the outer limits of his world and how much damage going outside your predetermined path could do. I just wish he’d been more sympathetic to the fact that Yeon-joo now has to return to her normal life being the only one to remember their love. Okay, so Su-bong might remember. What would we do without you, Su-bong?!

 
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Things we predicted: (that we guessed right) *feel free to add if I missed anything out*

- No-Face crossed over using the same portal kang chul used. Lucky bastard.
- A character in the manwha will be erased once it's purpose is served. Poor So Hee, lucky So Hee. Poor poor poor Yeon Joo.
- Yeon Joo changed the sequence of events in the manwha but not in the manner we imagined.
- No-Face is adhering to his "settings", aka kill kang chul and anyone he loves or stands in his way.
- No-Face managed to get itself a smartphone and use the device to contact kang chul. (Props to the villain for knowing kang chul's number)
- Time in the manwha and real world are almost if not the same now.
- Daddy Oh is still relevant to W.
- No-Face is a main character.

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How did No-Face manage to access Kang Chul's phone across dimensions?

Is it 11:23 PM? O.o

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Because No-Face spoke in chyron, standard data and call services/rates/charges do not apply. ^_^

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Legit. Hahahahaha!

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LOL i love your signal reference. i miss the show :(

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It makes me sad that I didn't get the reference right off the bat--I need to rewatch it!

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MWAHAHA. I haven't learned a thing, you guys. I totally eat up this kind of angst! But I don't feel as bad for enjoying it because at least the characters made the tragic decision themselves, based on the very real limitations between their worlds.

And, hey, it promises falling in love for a second time which I think I really need because, as much as I love this couple and feel the chemistry/affection between them, their whirlwind romance in the face of all these mind-bendy issues both made sense to me and didn't.

Lol, I don't know how to explain it. It's like...everything about the 'sweet romance sequel' came from a place of genuine emotion, and yet, felt forced & sped up. I'm just really glad the drama acknowledged that. The extremely rare circumstances of their fate made me buy into why they would grab onto a chance to experience happiness with each other, even as I recognized that they never really got the chance to fall in love normally. So I am all for this turn of events. I feel much more for these two when they're being realistic about their prospects as a couple and, now that their connection has been severed, I'm looking forward to seeing how it will form again.

Lol, although I hate getting on an even-odd schedule...I'm so happy that there's only a day wait between ep 8 and 9 right now, haha. I would have suffered so much trying to wait for a week after this cliffhanger!

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I'm pretty sure I posted a Facebook status of that final paragraph a couple of hours ago. lol!

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Agree with everything you said here (especially about the romance). Thank you for putting it in words I'll never be able to explain coherently on my own. I've tried but to no avail. You articulated my sentiments. hehe! :)

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Personally, I think that instead of forced, the romance was rather disjointed. Like someone commented before, it feels like you're watching two different dramas. Maybe that's why the forehead kisses felt more genuine to me, despite how hot the previous kisses were, because they weren't acting out any concept or scenario and were totally aware of how tenuous and outright dangerous their time together was. Jagganim needs to merge the two "realities" together, so let's see how effective the amnesia trope's going to be. I, for one, am looking forward to the unfolding of the romance this time around.

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Love your take on the romance as well. I found their bittersweet moments more genuine too and I was sold in the romance through these scenes than the cute ones (although these two are so cute and sweet together, I'm not really complaining). Like I said in my previous comment, throwing KC and YJ in a situation wherein their differences and the reasons why they cannot be together are flashing in neon lights, then the you-and-me-against-the-worlds feels weigh down on the viewers. And it shows on our couple's faces too. These are my favorite scenes of KC and YJ because IT IS their reality (for now). Their sweet scenes are just like good dreams/fantasies, but the scenes of their sad reality is when you truly see how much they care for and love each other.

I am so looking forward to the second time they'd fall in love.

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"It's too bad that we only got to do four romantic things. There were more than one hundred romantic things to do. I want to hug you, but I can't even do that. It will make me hesitate. Oh Yeon Joo, forget about me. I am just a comic book character. When you miss me, you can go to a bookstore and see me in the comic book."
▬ Kang Chul

This line especially, just hit me right in the feels!! I'm right with you, when it's done right the angst can be even more enjoyable than the romance!

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Chul-ah, when we screamed "FOUR! FOUR!!!" at the screen, we didn't mean to do 4 things. It means option #4. :(

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I am having an existential crisis of my own. Is it the intention of the writer for the viewers to have some kind of moral dilemma in terms of life purpose and meaning?? The choices we make? The path we choose????

It's kind of working ya'know. hahaha!
This drama is perfect for a philosophy class.

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He gave up his self-awareness and autonomy so that the people in his world can live, even though this condemns him to the futile pursuit of a murderer for the rest of his life. I die, the noble sacrifice is real. He really is the polar opposite of Dad who rode the W money train and tried to kill Kang Chul when he got scared.

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True. The noble sacrifice isn't noble idiocy. He let go of Yeon Joo so that his reality could continue, along with the people in it. As he said, they are human, after all. Let's see what his message to the dad will say.

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I also think that the drama aims at giving us people something to think about. Like fate, free will, the meaning of life and so on.

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The way Kang Chul tends to Yeon-joo is always so gentle, he really takes good care of her.

For example in the scene after Yeon-joo was "shot". The way he kissed her forehead, and hugged her, haish.. *swoon*

Does anyone know where can I find my own Kang Chul??

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Try your nearest library. You can also check out bookstores in the mall. ?

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I dunno but KC was extra swoon-worthy in this episode (he knew that's even possible). He's just so caring and afraid for YJ's safety. Even when he was playful and said that he like revealing dress on YJ... he needs to stop! haha!

Judging from the preview, I feel like I'm seeing a totally different KC and I love it! Being married certainly softened his playboy aura and turned him into a loving pup. hahaha! Also, I understood nothing about that preview. I'm so confused! lol

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i guess by this ep we can officially add 'whiny' to faceless killer's adjective even tho he has no personality otherwise lol

i'm sorry oh The Hooded One, i just can't take you seriously when speech bubbles pop out everytime you speak- i really want to fear you. really.

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I know. I had to pause playing for about a minute so I could finish laughing when I first saw them chyrons. XD

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A whiny villain! hahaha! Yes but I felt bad for him too. He wants to find out who he is. If YJ or Dad would draw a face on him, I wonder who'll it be...

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hmm good question. take a guess, who would faceless be?

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Is No Face Killer actually whining to Dad like a child, because he doesn't have a face, name or identity? Talk about creating monsters!

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1. This episode felt clumsy to me for probly the first time. Kang Chul basically exposited at us (as the smarty pants he is) how No-Face got to the "Real World."

I think were I the editor, I would have sliced up the No-Face scenes and scattered them back through the previous episodes to establish that he'd followed KC into the "Real World" rather than showing it in flashback. That would have added tension to the earlier eps and avoided a clunky exposit block.

2. NoFace chasing OYJ in the "Real World" was great. So Bong is the worst side kick ever tho. Always take the wheel, OYJ.

3. I find myself wanting to write OHY. Dammit, OHYA.

4. Further proof that the "Real World" isn't real: No-Face speaks in chyron...and OYJ and OSM see the chyron.

5. QUESTION: Why is No-Face's face static if the "Real World" isn't a television show or something?

6. Poor So Hee. That's one drunken bender. I hope the show finds a way to save at least the main extras when the plot is solved.

7. However, if KC ever catches NoFace and unmasks him, would the entire manhwa world simply cease to exist? That would be sad, but I would love to watch the art on that as the world literally undraws itself.

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Love your points!! A few responses:

1. Now that you mention it, that would reallyyyy freak me out. But, at least (at the bare minimum) they did show No-Face on the bridge in two episodes prior. So at least they hinted he was in the real world and just expounded on that later. I think they just wanted us to not get distracted from what Kang Chul was struggling with during his existential crisis.

2. I wanted to laugh at and strangle So Bong at the same time...

3. ❤️ OHYA

4. I think that the dad and OYJ can see the chyron because they have been in the manhwa world. The drunk guy was, well, drunk... So you couldn't tell if he saw it. But the other two were the only ones that saw it, and they had already become characters of the manhwa world.

5. I think the static is his face flipping between the manhwa style and regular blank slate. Like it's trying to reveal who he is himself, but still can't.

6. YES save them!!! Especially the bodyguard!!!

7. I think the manhwa will have to end somehow... Hopefully Kang Chul can give it a happy ending so he's free to live in the real world with OYJ. But then... What about his friends... AHH why does there have to be two worlds?!?

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Yes, that actually bothered me a bit. The lengthy narration / exposition thing.

I think it wouldve worked well interspersed between the previous episodes.

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Dear Writer-nim,

I have so much faith in you that I don't have to worry where this show is gonna take me, come hell or high water. I just have a few things that needs to be answered, okay?

a. ) I have been wondering this for a long time since I knew the title of the show. Is W really composed of two worlds? And the real world exist somewhere? If yes, then there is no need to answer the matters below.

b.) How come the killer gets to keep his teleportation skills and immortality(perhaps) if he's in the YJ's world(not going to use real world anymore cause we're not too sure) when Kang Chul was hurt there?

c. ) So basically, it is already established that YJ reappear into her world from the place she disappears from bug can reappear in KC's world randomly. I am talking specifically about the last appearance in the car. I want to know how and why please.

d. Again, with the things from both worlds. The bullet and gun disappears when KC was drowning in Han River but YJ's prison clothing did not.

Waiting patiently while crying my heart's out,

deathbychocolate

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Because variables. All rules are broken. Lol.

Infuriating, no?

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Because no one ever attempted to hurt him back in the real world. Su bong should have at least tried to run him over with his barbie car....

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LMAO at barbie car. I noticed that cute car too.

Su-bong likes cute things. Just look at this wardrobe!

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I'm scared if they involve Su-bong too much, he's gonna be a character too (Yeon-joo's geeky sidekick?) and that will make him vulnerable to No Face :O

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@erratic
Yes. All rules we know so far goes flying out the window. It is frustrating. Hahaha

@yoyo
But he can still teleport, can speak Chiron and can call into KC's world. But you had me LOL at Subong's Barbie car. ?

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Speaking of teleporting, No-Face has a bit of an ego if I may say. He could have just teleported at the back set of su bongs reliable barbie car and shoot OYJ. But nope, he likes to make a grand entrance and I think he needs to off his victims by shooting them straight in the forehead. It's like his signature but but but....he didn't shoot the girl where he got the smartphone from!! She got choked to death instead! So why change his killing style so suddenly? It's not like that girl could put up a fight and his gun had a silencer..so that kinda made me think....

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i totally forgot about the assistant, but i assumed she was unconscious, not dead! they didn't really confirm either way, did they? eeek, i hope she's not dead :(

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I see chyron is a recognized language now. hahahaha!

Aside from the barbie car, what is up with Soo Bong's flowy, breezy get-up?? Is it because of the summer heat?!

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it's nerdy chic. don't you know it's in vogue these days #flipshair

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@deathbychocolate

I'm no writer nim but I'll take a crack at answering some of your questions..

A. It's an inifinite number of worlds, maybe we're just viewing 2 coming from the writers perspective. Maybe its these 2 worlds she created in her mind, a question about existence and relevance (who and why).

B. No-Face was created with no form of restrictions. That's why he got to keep his teleportation and what other standard skill sets come with the assassin package because his creator was just goddamn lazy.

C. Kang Chul was on a call with his bodyguard asking them to look for yj back at the penthouse. So technically, he was "thinking" about her --- same rule was applied when he thought about her while he was floating aimlessly in the han river.

D. Anything yj brings back with her from the manwha, she gets to keep --- ideally, i think that's how it works.

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Thank you for your answers yoyo. ? They are more or less similar to what I have in mind. I am just hoping the writer will give us the definitive answer soon. ?

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Now I know why Kang Chul had to be a super genius- to let the audience know what the hell is going on. If he hadn't narrated his thoughts I would be utterly lost.

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+1

I think that if the expositions were scattered in the previous episodes, it would still be confusing. I like that I get to process this whole block of information that would somehow enlighten the mystery of this drama even just a bit all in one go.

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This writer is known for her characters to be super smart and objective. :)

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This episode left me sobbing at the end ? I feel for yeon joo so much like she's someone i know for real. Aigooo. That's just silly isnt it?

Btw, anyone know where i can watch W special 100 minutes eps?

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On a lighter note...

LOL at the security always on guard and FOLLOWS them EVEN while in the house. How can they ever do no. 4 if they will always follow their moves and run to the rescue when they hear every little sound/noise. LMAO

And GF is totally on board Option #4 with her side comments in the recap. hahaha! love it!

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W is killing me!! im tired of switching from squeeing to screaming to gasping and getting heart attacks asdlfslkdgjslgkj idek anymore. this ep was so mindblowing. i want to cry and scream and laugh all at once aAH

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I feel you. I totally feel you. ?

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1. there are too many flashbacks in this ep
2. YJ certainly draws fast. she's finished in a short time what dad and 3 assistants do in probably months..she should consider crafting the killer's identity in her spare time- then the story arc can be finished and she can get down to that sequel ASAP- heck she can even make it ecchi if she wants lol.. KC definitely does!

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Maybe she just copied the original panels from the old hospital scenes XD She only had to add tears.

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omg didn't think of that! the magic of copy+paste xD
she's got quite the ego if she added the tears herself lol, like "forget me if you must but you sure as heck gonna be sad over it!"

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Just a couple thoughts:

1. I wish they would stop having Kang Chul commit suicide. I know he's in the "manhwa" side of the world, but it's just a little of a touchy subject since I know how high of a suicide rate Korea has. Then again, these writers have never shied away from using killing yourself as a method of moving between worlds... Queen In Hyun's Man... But I hope that's the last time we have to watch Kang Chul jump off something.

2. Moral of the story: Always, ALWAYS make sure your characters are more than a one-track minded plot point. Otherwise, they WILL come back and hurt you.

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You and me both. On both points.

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I did like the subtle message of not giving up and resorting to suicide in episode 6-7 when YJ saved KC. It was the easiest way to end KC's life problem/issue, but like what YJ said, it is not the only solution and the way to go about life. I feel like the writer is really saying something about the conundrum we find ourselves in about one's purpose in life and the choices/decisions we make.

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I think in this specific instance, he was not committing suicide but trying to get YJ to real world. They both knew he was going to be redrawn but something strong had to be done for her to be able to leave that place.

So, he thought him dying was fail proof.

So, I would not call this suicide to be honest.

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However, I am not fond of this method though. I do not want him to keep dying every time there has to be a cliff hanger.

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Jumping off a bridge or falling to your death from a buildings rooftop at your own discretion is suicide. You can color the sun orange, but everyone else will still see the sun as yellow is the same thing.

I agree, it wasn't the best escape route, but from chul's perspective, being on the brink of death is the only thing that will make time stop in the manwha. Like what else could yj possibly tell him that's so shattering to make the manwha come to a complete standstill?

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It wasn't suicide. He knew that he wasn't going to die because he told her to write it as a dream.
He no intention of dying in that moment.

She and he both knew that she would have to write it as a dream in order to save him. He had no doubt that she was going to save him, and why would he have a reason to doubt that?

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Imagine if he died though and Yeon-joo got stuck in the manhwa world as his widow, arranging funerals and fixing tax forms and stuff. Then consulting with shamans to talk to Kang Chul's spirit and "surprise" him into another 계속?

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As avid viewers of the show, we all know he wasn't going to die. We're dealing with man of steel himself for crying out loud! *pun intended*

But, if you get someone random to just watch that very scene, they'll say it's suicide. And that was the point I was driving at, some people see things as they are, we don't coz we know the story inside out.

Maybe there should've been a better way to end that scene which isn't as graphic as attempting to commit suicide. Its A darker element of the show which I understand but some are having difficulty in grasping it's significance.

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Variables. All rules are up in the air. So even Kang Chul isn't 100% certain whether his exodus would send Yeon Joo back to her world and whether he'd actually live beyond his fall.

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She would have come back regardless of the variable, and then could have still written it off as a dream sequence. The only real risk to his life would have been if no face popped in before KC jumped and shot her in the head. He acconted for this variable, hence the urgency.

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Why did Kang Chul mention to So Hee that the marriage was a fake and she meant the most to him while Yeon Joo could hear it? Too cruel and a low blow considering Kang Chul was going to get everything reset.
Eight episodes and now everything is reset and all a dream... WTH! If everything was reset to where Kang Chul never met Yeon Joo, why does she still have the marriage ring on her finger? Wouldn't that disappear?
Trying to follow this plot is giving me a headache.....

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Kang Chul said all those things to give So Hee a purpose for staying in the manhwa, else she'd have disappeared entirely. I think Yeon Joo understood that, seeing as she read Kang Chul and Do Yoon's conversation about So Hee's hand disappearing. They snuck in a scene of Chul's and So Hee's past, showing that Kang Chul does value So Hee as a person, despite not having any purpose in furthering the plot. He said something while Yeon Joo was tending to So Hee, how they're human, too. It's a dig at how unfair someone in the manwhold has to vanish as soon as their work is done. Still painful for Yeon Joo to hear, I'm sure, but like a lot of unsavory things Kang Chul has done so far, necessary from his point of view.

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It puts SH's actions in past episodes in a new light. Her actions were a self preservation instinct more than anything. She did it to survive.

The webtoon was self directing at the time when OSM had abandoned it. She made decision and acted independently. I think she does have strong will. All she needs is a life motivation beyong KC.

Is OSM also to blame for letting things limp along for so many years. Or maybe he tried to force romance and KC rejected?

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That was indeed painful to hear, but YJ understood why he had to say those words. Judging by their interaction after that scene, they were totally alright and nothing changed between them. I don't think she doubts how KC truly feels for her.

While KC may have said those words to prevent Sohee from disappearing, I do think he meant his words about her being important to him but as a very close friend. He cares for Sohee, but does not feel the same kind of love that Sohee feels for him.

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I do love that there aren't the usual misunderstandings between KC and YJ. Like normally in these types of scenes the female always misunderstands and then they bury their feelings or start some noble idiocy.
It's almost like the writer is mocking this standard drama trope as well- I'll show you a proper reason to separate your leads!

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Now that you pointed it out, I realized that indeed this couple never had the infuriating kind of misunderstanding. They've always talked things through. They agree to disagree, but ultimately their decisions and actions were for the best interest of the other BUT not through noble idiocy.

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I think the villain has no character therefore have some extra power just please some one draw him completely

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There is something really creepy about a villain that has incomplete features. I cannot wait for someone to draw him an identity.

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In that case, can someone draw him some Spongebob features? Or Pokemon? Something that would make him too embarrassed to go around in public, like Beavis and Butt-Head?

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Magicarp. Just please don't let it evolve.

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Episode 5 for me so far is the best.

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3, 4, 5, 8 for me. If I were to choose just one I'd say Episode 4 because that scene in the detention center when KC found out the truth was mind-blowing on all levels.

I guess someone from the drama team said 7 because of the focus on romance (it was cute and I liked it too) and 8 is just filled with wtf awesome moments so I guess that's why. hahaha!

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For me, This episode is getting ridiculous, in a bad way. Since rules are bended. The writer can write however they want it because "it's webtoon/fantasy". There's a lot of inconsistencies already, especially the clothes she's wearing when she goes back and forth to different worlds.

It's still ep 8 so i hope they have better explanation as to how come Mr. Hoodie knows which place to go or which plane to catch. The floating dialogues in real world already frustrated me.

So i actually don't wonder how come the ratings are dropping.

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They actually showed Hoodie checking OSM's address/phone # and then later finding the flight information in the house so at least there the drama has been consistent.

As for everything else, I find it fascinating that the rules of the webtoon coming to life change based on the wills of it's creators, it's protagonist, and it's villain. It may have some inconsistencies, but I don't find them to be glaring. Most of the noticeable inconsistencies are being acknowledged by the characters themselves.

Also, I don't think I've noticed the clothing inconsistency? They didn't show it, but she did plan to go back to the prison in episode 7 so I just thought she probably changed back into her prison outfit. Are there any times when we've just seen her switch clothes automatically?

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I remember when I watched NINE, I was in awe of that story. Each time he time travelled, he created a new reality where when he went back to his timeline, he would have created paradoxes. It was wonderful.

I have always loved time travel stuff. I have read almost every time travel fiction out there and time travel movies/dramas. That is why, in NINE, when he went back and created another reality, I never considered that as amnesia plot. Because it is not right to think that way. It was not amnesia. It was just changing the past, which would change the future.

I am assuming some of you have read the Thursday Next novels by Jasper Fford. It is about a heroine who gets into books where characters in all these classic fiction have their own lives when someone is not reading their books. (Hilarious, extreme fun stuff).

Anyways, I bring this stuff up because I believe what we are witnessing here is not amnesia trope. This is just a clever trope based on just fictional writing. If am drawing a webtoon, i can do whatever I want, provided it makes sense and gels with readers.

The fact of the matter is, this webtoon has gone nuts and if it has to survive as this particular webtoon, it simply has to reset to its original characters. Else, this webtoon does not exist. So, no characters can survive except the new characters.

So, we fight for this webtoon. It needs to survive because we love it. We love these characters. We love Kang Chul and his brand of justice - with all his tortured soul. So, yeah, I am all for the reset.

Else KC will not be KC anymore. I really really loved the KC from this webtoon. And I want him to find his happiness.

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@dramafan100: glory be, another Jasper Fforde fan! Now you know where I got my handle from! :D

Btw, I'm STILL waiting for the Shades of Grey sequel to be released. *heaves a sigh*

Yes, that's one of the (many) reasons why I'm so hooked on W - if a Jasper Fforde book ever came to life, this could be it! Plus the hotness of our lovey-dovey OTP, LJS and HHJ, of course!

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I cried a mess when I watched this episode this morning, and now i'm crying again reading the recap.. Oh! The pain.. ??

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My mom thought I was going nuts when I was sobbing in the wee hours of the morning. I was studying and she thought I was so stressed with what I'm reading. Oh for the love of W! ?

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Though I have always had few consistent questions.

Assuming YJ is part of a real world that we live in, all these characters coming and creating ruckus and actually killing people is leaving a trail. What is happening to that?

Is someone investigating strange occurrences in real world where someone with a cartoonish dress code with no face is killing people?

There were at least 3 scared and one dead. Someone will be reporting that right?
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And that flash drive he gave her - anything toon has disappeared whenever he discarded it. So, how can a flash drive survive? Is it because another character carries it with her? Do objects also follow the wills of the characters that hold those objects dear? So, if KC and YJ felt that the flash drive was important, since both of them are characters, it needs to stay real?

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I am a firm believer in rules of the world that was build are followed. I do see some inconsistencies on those rules. Some of them get blatant. So, hope writer addresses them in some manner at some time.

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I totally get where you're coming from and I agree with some of the points you raised. I do have similar questions and like you, I'm waiting for these to be addressed because we are only in Episode 8. So for now I am suspending my constructive criticisms and just going with it. So far, the writer shed light on some aspects already, so here's hoping she does not leave anything out. She doesn't even have to explicitly explain everything because that's kind of an insult to the viewers, but at least present us with some bits of information for us to piece them together.

Her past works were far from perfect (what drama is 100% perfect anyway), but they were dramas written with care and attention to detail. Some slipped, but overall she addressed the bigger and more important issues.

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What if the "real world" isn't relevant anymore since we have the Ipad Portal. So neither W or Real World is real, they're just worlds on different dimension.

Basically, the ipad is so important that it makes the 2 worlds collide and rules are broken ;D

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It's a Cintiq! They're crazy expensive. Someone said based on its size, it's one of the $2000 ones :O

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I have an answer to the thumb drive part- I think if a character from the manhwa to the real world crosses over, what they carry survives. Like how the gun KC carried over didn't disappear. The only reason the gun disappeared later was because KC died and the manhwa ceased to exist I think. Or else things like YJ's manhwa clothes will also vanish when she crosses over ?

I cannot remember what other items you may be talking about though but I thought this was consistent.

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I agree with you. The only objects that seem to not work are phones and it makes sense because the sim card obviously won't work in another world.

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I love that the entire point is that writers should think more about their characters and give them purpose in the story more than just to serve as plot devices and to further the story of the main character. Dad’s shitty writing is the main evil and now he’s got to set it right. Give the characters actual identities (especially the killer), give them a purpose to continue living even with the absence of Kang Chul, give them an actual life. Shitty drama writers need to take notes.

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This show is mind-blowing.. or is it mind-f**king? My heard hurts with the possibility of parallel universe theory. I've lost on that discussion here in 2012 during Faith, now should I revisit that thread to refresh my memory of the theory?
Duh! My head and heart hurt.

Next episode should be called: "W 2 World: Reset"

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LOVE THIS EPISODE SO MUCH

But I have this burning questions guys T_T

1. Why the killer wasn't paralyzed like other main characters? I thought he wasn't aware of the existance of W and real world until after he entered the real world.

[SPOILERS FROM PREVIEW]

WHY WHY WHY WHY

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the 6 million dollar question is: will we get an episode tonight?

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No announcement from MBC? I think they're showing Episode 9 tonight.

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MBC confimed that episode 9 will air tonight :)

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What--how--explain? Explain???

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damn. this show gives everyone what faceless is having.. existential crisis :)) i just hope they won't pull a lovers in paris on me.. im still not over that ending :))

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Lol, this drama blows my mind. I feel like the very last scene is going to be the drama's writer staring into the camera ...

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GF, *thank you*. All the existential questions that were asked in this episode, and by you are fascinating, and thought-provoking. But right now I am just glad that this show exists, that this fandom exists, and that I am part of it =D! W has changed my life as a fan, I don't believe we'll get anything as meta as this again and I am seriously enjoying every moment of this journey <3

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Wow. That scene of Kang Chul falling off the building is so reminiscent of GOT7's leader JB in the 하지하지마 MV and an entry into a parallel world. Check out for yourself @1:07-1:19 and the ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_DX64EwH9M

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rofl!!! I didn't laugh so much, not even in ep 1 & 2! Lee Jong Suk in a white suit ala Prince Charming scene should have been so romantic but I couldn't stop laughing because instead of him and HHJ I was seeing LJS preparing to walk down the aisle with the other half of his bromance! This seriously revived my feels ^^

And big thanks to writer-nim, for showing the life and thoughts of a fangirl through OYJ. From creation, to knowing, to falling for, and ultimately moving on or being forced to 'kill off' the love because of some reasons, we had it all in this story. So, does that mean it's going to be a sad ending? What is the variance? The real world in this story? KC's world is created by OYJ's father, OYJ's world is created by the writer of this drama (if there isn't another creator in the drama). And the writer's world? Aren't we all a creation and who's the creator of our creator? And now, we are shown KC trying to recreate what's been created...

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"There are a lot of reasons to suspect that Yeon-joo’s world isn’t even the real world"

Wouldn't it be funny if in the last episode we get our happy ending and everything then suddenly the last scene becomes a drawing and we cut to the actual writer of the drama drawing that scene, happy that she finished and satisfied with her ending.

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haha, I think that would be great! They show the actual writer in her room that is littered with Nine and QIHM posters. And then she fades out into a manhwa drawing herself.

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Hahaha, but then when would it stop?

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This series is Narnia without the lion, the witch and the wardrobe.

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Oh gods, Prince Caspian. *sigh* Probably the only time I liked the movie over the book. *cough*Ben Barnes*cough*

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i was on the edge the entire first part of the show i couldnt even curse. no-face is scary af i almost shat in my pants.
i also nearly fainted at the plane scene. why teleport to the plane? thats unfair! and when the stewardess was just knocking on the door and all she hears are slamming... again and again. i wanted to die.
SB's reaction to no face approaching the car is gold, to YJ's mom as well. it's super real. i don't think i would react or speak those words any differently if it happened to me.

but after all that flurry i wondered about how this storyline is being published to the real world public. the first few episodes was great because YJ was affected by all that reaction from her boss and all, but judging by the progression of the story there would surely be an outcry by readers by now.

and the dream part made me a little pissed.

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Yaaasss... when she was reading the webtoon, I was like, is it being published again? What will the readers reaction be? Who is "sending" it? Why are the publishers putting it out there with no word from Dad (he is/was on an airplane)? We have been out of YJ's for a while... lots of questions there.

But my main one still is, did No Face go back with the time-reset??? I have a feeling he somehow didn't because he was in the air.

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I also have a question. Now that we know that YJ can draw and control the mawha world even in a sense go back in time, why doesn't she just take it all the way back and bring KC parents back to life and make No-face not exist? I feel that with today's episode revelation the writer will probably go in this direction. But then I feel that if the story does go in this direction it will probably make No-face become more violent giving that he is already having an existence crisis and the fact that just being "erased" will probably piss him off more. I bet that he probably can't be completely "erased" because he "never existed" they will probably going to have to give him an identity to completely finish him off.

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I think if Chul's family are saved then the webtoon will have no reason to exist because the purpose of Chul's life is to pursue his family's killer. Don't forget that when a character has lost its purpose it disappears (which is actually worst than just dying). So no killer, no story and no Chul

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This episode is just too much... Daebak! Soooo intense

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QUESTION: What happens to the assistant that was strangled in the real world? Does she become un-dead just because Yeon Joo does a reset in the Manhwa world? What about the two men on bikes that he attacked on the bridge? These may be side characters but they have lives too. I'm hoping they're not just casualties of war, but that the damage done to them can be reversed somehow.

And the ratings for ep. 8 was too low for such a fantastic drama. Only 12.2. That sucks!

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I believe she's dead. She wasn't killed in the Manhwa world. She was killed in YJ's world. The only time reset happened in the Manhwa world. Remember when YJ got back, the bullet hole in the car was still there, nothing changed in YJ's world.

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After watching episode 8, my friend had the same theory as GF's about OYJ 's world possibly not even being the 'real' world.

She says it could be that OYJ is the heroine of another manhwa & KC the hero of W, and the creators are doing a crossover ala-Marvel or DC comics universe, which might explain why the story is so unpredictable because well, in the comic universe, really anything is possible. ?

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That does seem to make sense. After all, she doesn't seem really worried about the fact that she might lose her job with all the time she doesn't show up for work.

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I feel like KC's idea was just an easy way out of the situation. Not easy to decide, because of course I'm sure he wanted to hang onto YJ and his free will, but it's not like there weren't other ways to solve the situation either (he could have asked to, I don't know, draw a loveline for SH and the bodyguard, and give an identity and purpose to Mr K). I'm guessing he was thinking it would be the most effective, but we'll soon see it isn't anyway, so I can't fully appreciate this backtrack/amnesia/Redrawing move.

Instead, I'm just feeling bad for YJ (I get that KC is more rational than emotional but damn, he almost came off as rude there), though I guess this move is coherent with the whole "what is the meaning of life? Do we have free will?" philosophical thing that's been going on since episode 1, because with it brings it to a whole new level of questioning many have already mentioned in comments.

All in all, it was still a good episode, but I'm hoping we get compensated for the emotional chaos that this episode provoked. For reference purposes, I suggest to do so with kisses. Lots of kisses.

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Excited for tonight's episode! My guess is that KC will recollect bits of his memories with YJ through his dreams, because it did happen just like how he did die in Hangang River and constantly dreams of himself drowning.

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This drama has me wrecked

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SO EFFING GOOD.

oh my god, this show blows my mind and i honestly, honestly don't know when the last time was that i encountered a show quite like this.

really didn't think the show would keep improving like this with each episode. the pacing is nice and brisk, the twists and turns aren't at all predictable. honestly, i was a bit on the fence with the first two episodes—they were good, but many a show has started off better and still crashed and burned. so i had been pretty cautious. and han hyo-joo's acting was a bit overdone in those episodes. i re-watched them today and i still stand by that.

BUT, she's totally fine now and the show just keeps getting so much better. i hope last week's pre-emption doesn't prompt any pacing changes. this episode's ending was the perfect cliffhanger before the next week's batch of episodes, but i don't want the story to be ruined just because the olympics threw the show off schedule!

i read some amazing comments about story characters people had once loved and forgotten, like old friends, and while i can't quite put my own feelings into cohesive written thoughts (not quite there yet), i feel it. in a way this show reminds me of a human/storybook version of toy story 3. i wasn't particularly crazy about the toy story franchise, never was that into it, but the ending of the third film and andy's words, "thanks, guys" totally struck me in the heart and it made me (and the rest of the world) sob so hard. it still makes me cry, each time.

despite my rapidly growing love for this show, i'm still oddly content to just sit back and watch. typically i'd love picking it apart and theorizing, but i'm just really enjoying the ride on this one.

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Another dumb question: did Yeon Joo draw the tears on Kang Chul's face when he woke up from the "dream" or did the tears come by themselves because his dream was so sad, his sense of loss so painful?

I am hurting too. I'm in so much pain, my heart is breaking!????????☹️

I really, really can't wait for ep. 9!

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YJ: “forget me if you must but you sure as heck gonna be sad over it!”

lol

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I think those tears are still his. He was just so into that "dream".

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Okay... I think I'm sane again. I just went literally wild and violent after Episode 8. I screamed. I shouted. I flailed my legs. I pounded my desk. (No broken glass thank goodness.)

If my brain exploded several times before in other episodes, well this episode made it IMPLODE.

Now I'm sitting here tearfully telling my son about what happened (he watched the first eps) and when I told him the possibility that YJ's world is ALSO a construct, he goes,

"Didn't I say that last time? Ha! I CALLED IT!"

Hmp! As if he's not crying over Ash losing his Pokemon league. We're both heartbroken today!!

Tears....

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I want the universe/the unforseen force/nature/fate to mess with kang Chul and make him remember her and times shared together anyway.

Kang chul is a character that can't help not knowing and I see him repeating the same process and pulling Yj back. Maybe this time YJ wouldn't tell him he is from webtoon.

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If I could rewrite a scene from this episode, I would have had No-Face kill Yeon Joo in that very moment.

If she died right then and there, would all hell break loose? Had she died, it will give everyone in both worlds a purpose, so both worlds will thrive and survive. She'll play the ultimate sacrificial lamb.

It also poses a juxtaposition with the creator and his characters. It's a new trope and provides the element of surprise that begets all known kdrama laws.

Imagine if that happened, how many jaws would have dropped?

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Jaws will not be the only thing dropping. Expect bodies, bodies. Hehehe.I'd be ready to do a body count then, that's if I'd be able to stand it. ?

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Let the bodies hit the FLOOOOOOOOOR!

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I wonder with a lot of abstruse plot change, is W manhwa remain popular in YJ world? If the manga I've been following for years keep having plot reset or obscure change like that I surely will drop it.

But we should not judge JY's dad too hard. In real world (I mean OUR world) manga writer is not easy job, even can be scary especially for weekly series. It's not easy to build a good plot AND draw it with the editor screaming the for deadline. One chapter done and next chapter already scream, it's repeating and never end. In this case, that manga (or characters) can really kill the writer. Okay, I haven't heard mangaka die for overwork but I know some manga goes hiatus because the mangaka was hospitalized (HunterXHunter, Det.Conan/Case Closed to name a few). Even with asistants, they almost have no life outside draw manga.
Well, some popular manga may start with 'pilot' chapter with simple story in the beginning as in "I want to make this kind of story, will think about background etc as the story goes on". Then it become popular and the mangaka was forced to anything to be used as foreshadowing to keep the story goes on (and force plot or plot hole or character inconsistency start to appear). At one point, it's so tiring so he just want to stop or want to move on to new story, which understandable if he want to grow as writer and not stuck in one place. But fans (read: editor or publisher) keep push him to continue it.

And this drama take it literally, character just leaps through page and try to kill the manhwa writer. So give YJ's dad some slack.

PS: "Bakuman" is a manga which can give you some lesson on mangaka world. It's the same writer and artist of "Death Note". The manga has more (and detail) information than the anime or live action version.

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you are right! D.grayman was on hiatus because the mangaka fell ill too.... they got her disciple to continue but it never looked the same anymore

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I don't have anything coherent to say after this episode but felt a need to write something, just in case I don't make it after the next episode.

RIP my brain (and heart)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and say my goodbyes to my family and friends. And also finish all the food in my refrigerator, you know, just so it doesn't go to waste. I swear I'm not eating my feelings.

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Retcon Reckoning!

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But what if, just what if the the Manhwa refused to end with kang chul falling off the building. I can only imagine the 'oh shit look' on his face and our face. There are no laws in that freaking world. I always expect the worse

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Han Hyo Joo's acting in some scenes is really cringeworty..everyone is praising her and I am like ???? Am I the only one who is cringing throughout her crying scenes?Someone who follows her please tell me, is it her portayal of the character or she is always like this in her crying scenes?

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I believe she could have given more, yes, considering that Lee Jong Suk is probably acting his brains out in this series.

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You're not the only one, which is why I'm getting a disconnect from the love story or feeling any empathy for her. Especially these last episodes, it felt so awkward watching her cry that I didn’t have time to feel sorry for her.

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