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Twenty Five Twenty One: Episodes 11-12 Open Thread

Part of growing up means learning to choose what’s most important to you – to identify what you’re willing to give up versus what you won’t ever compromise on, no matter what. And while sometimes it’s important to dig your heels in and endure, other times it takes far more courage and maturity to let go and walk away.

 
EPISODES 11-12 WEECAP

We get lots of change and growth this week, starting with an entire episode dedicated (mostly) to Hee-do and her mom. But here’s where one of my only frustrations with this show comes into play, because more than ever, this episode made me feel like the very same growth that was happening in the past storyline was happening again in the present. But there’s no specific reason for it to be happening again right now, as opposed to any time during the past decade or so.

Maybe you could argue that it’s because we’re seeing the present through Min-chae’s eyes instead of Hee-do’s, and that Min-chae was simply unaware of certain dynamics until she read about them from Hee-do’s point of view. But I wonder if it would have been a better choice to have Hee-do be the one to find her own diary and revisit her youth as she navigates parenting a teen. Then the present-day story would carry more weight.

In any case, the main conflict that Hee-do and her mom face this week has to do with Hee-do’s dad and how Hee-do’s mom has dealt with that loss. Or, more accurately, how she hasn’t really dealt with it. Desperate to succeed as a newscaster, Hee-do’s mom has pushed all of her emotions aside time and time again, sacrificing family for professionalism.

She even missed her own husband’s funeral because she volunteered to report on breaking news instead, to prove herself after being chewed out for not performing well enough. Though they haven’t spoken of it, Hee-do’s never forgiven her.

In the 1999 timeline, as Dad’s memorial date approaches, Hee-do notices that the wooden chairs he made for the family have fallen into disrepair. Mom promises to take them to the carpenter and get them fixed, but – wouldn’t you know it – on the promised day, breaking news crops up again. And, again, Mom chooses going the extra mile at work over her promise to Hee-do.

Mom expects Hee-do to understand her choices just because Hee-do is almost an adult now. But Hee-do retorts that she’s still emotionally stuck at 13 from the impact of losing her father and essentially being abandoned by her mother on the same day.

That finally gets through to Mom – though she takes her time showing it. She does get the chairs repaired, but she still doesn’t say anything and lets Hee-do think she’s thrown them out. Hee-do only finds out the truth when she takes the initiative to ask the carpenter for lessons so she can make new chairs and happens to see the originals in his workshop.

Still, Mom is trying. She takes Hee-do to visit Dad’s grave for what appears to be the first time since his passing. There, Mom completely breaks down, sobbing in Hee-do’s arms and admitting she does miss him desperately (a fact she’d earlier denied).

To hammer home this turning point in their relationship, present-day Mom promises Hee-do that she won’t abandon her, because she was absent for so much of Hee-do’s youth.

Then we put the past behind us for now as our high schoolers start looking to the not-so-distant future. They’re entering their senior year, and that means some pretty big choices will need to be made.

To start, Ji-woong cooks up a plan to confess to Yoo-rim and make their relationship official. He wants to do it onstage at his band’s concert, but extra fencing training gets scheduled for that same day. Ji-woong goes to Yi-jin for advice… and Yi-jin fibs to Coach Yang that he needs Yoo-rim and Hee-do for a last-minute interview and takes them to the concert instead.

It’s a lovely night all around. Instead of the big, showy gesture he’d imagined, Ji-woong confesses silently, mouthing the words as he and Yoo-rim lock eyes across the crowd, which is honestly far more intimate and moving.

Meanwhile, Yi-jin fills in for the band’s guitarist, flashing back to his carefree high school days as he does. Inspired, Hee-do convinces him to re-record a particularly encouraging script from the broadcast club, which Seung-wan plays over the speakers to reassure all the students stressing over upcoming exams.

That stress of impending graduation mounts by the day, impacting each student differently. One fencer, for example, has lost her love for the sport and wants to try a different path in life. Coach Yang, however, refuses to let her quit. Hee-do and Yoo-rim stand up for their teammate by walking out of practice in protest, and finally, after taking them all to task, Coach Yang relents on one condition: the girl must advance to the quarterfinals in the next competition.

With extra coaching from Hee-do and Yoo-rim, she does exactly that. Coach Yang tries to convince her to finish this competition since she’s made it this far, but the girl sticks to her decision: she’s done with fencing and free to choose what she does want to do with the next stage of her life.

And that brings me to Seung-wan. She’s witnessed a teacher beating Ji-woong – and other students – on multiple occasions, and finally snaps. Instead of distracting the teacher, she confronts him. And when he dares her to call the police, she looks him dead in the eyes and does.

Infuriatingly, the police side with the teacher and superintendent, who don’t even try to deny the use of corporal punishment (which has only recently been “banned” and is fully up to individual schools to interpret as they see fit).

All Seung-wan can do is call the teacher out on her pirate radio broadcast, and naturally he finds out. He orders her to apologize in front of the entire school, but Seung-wan won’t be cowed. Rather than act as though she did something wrong, she instead chooses to drop out of school.

It’s not an easy decision, but it’s the only one that gives her any sort of peace. Her mom, being awesome, first confirms Seung-wan understands what she’s doing and lets her cry, and then marches into school to make sure everyone knows exactly why she’s pulling her daughter out, demanding an apology for Ji-woong while they’re at it.

Seung-wan puts on a heartbreakingly cheerful face as she says her goodbyes. She and the former fencer meet on their way out of school, and they literally climb over the gate together to freedom.

With all these chapters closing, the end of a millennium arrives, along with Y2K fears. The friends gather on New Year’s Eve, and though none of them really believes the world is about to end, Seung-wan, Ji-woong, and Yoo-rim decide to spend the final minutes of 1999 with their families. Just in case.

That leaves Hee-do and Yi-jin alone together. As the clock counts down, Hee-do makes a split-second decision and leans in to kiss Yi-jin, just as one year ends and a new one begins.

 
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This writer doesn't fail to make every character understandable and likeable. I had issues with Mom and even though it was an unnecessary voluntary decision on her part to skip her husband's funeral, I still pitied her. Hee do's behavior in comparison to other girls her age like Seung Wan or Yu Rim was also explained quite well. She is childish because she's stuck at a point in her life. KTR has been doing justice to this role from the very beginning. The stars however were both Ye ji and Seing Wan. I suspected Ye Ji would come to like fencing and get out of her slump and that's what her Coach wanted too, however, the right thing to do was to quit. Persistence can help but sometimes you should know when to quit. So I was pleasantly surprised that Ye Ji indeed took that way and did so knowing that other atheletes deserved progressing more than her. Really liked the dilaogue of both Seung wan and ye ji choosing to break rather than bend, all done for their own good and that of others. I'll be looking forward to this writer's works from now on.

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Seung-Wan broke my heart. Sometimes doing the right thing is the only thing. I was so happy her mother stuck up for her and with her. When she cried, I cried with her.

I was also happy Ye Ji quit. She was doing the right thing for her.

As for that kiss, hmmmm. We shall see next weekend's episodes.

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Hurray for Seung Wan and Mum! And props to the writer for that one tiny detail with the line “i take after my mom” fr Seung Wan.

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I love Seung-wan, perm and all. What a brave soul and one that clearly makes the world around her better. I really hope she finds happiness because her casual admittance of suicidal thoughts broke my heart.

My other favourite parts this week were Yi-jin and Hee-do's scenes in 'Daegu'. Making an excuse to walk around one more time, snuggling under the umbrella when it wasn't raining - they are both adorable together. It was so cute when Yi-jin kept moving the umbrella around in line with Hee-do's movements when she was venting her agitation about the know-it-all ajusshis.

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so so cute! heedo's mood changed from anger to swooning real fast when yijin was like "come here, you'll catch a cold" heh

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I still have issues with Hee-do's mom but the writer made me understand the decisions she has made. I thought the scene at the grave was moving. I also liked that they were right back to arguing about college on the drive home.

Ye-ji's story was also good. I'm glad she stuck to her guns and quit, but it's such a shame that these athletes haven't received a proper education.

I love Seung-wan. What a great character and her mom is fierce too. Her situation was infuriating. I hope she has a great life.

There was a lot of netizen hoopla over the kiss, but I don't have an issue with the age gap. I do think it is an issue that he's a fencing reporter and has a personal relationship with an athlete. I was surprised there were no issues with the documentary. With just four episodes left, I don't know whether to expect any conflict of interest or not. Part of me expects a bittersweet ending and part of me thinks the writer has been trolling us.

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Just speaking in defense of Yi-Jin, he really isn't just the "fencing reporter" and even if he was, fencing in the year 2000 was not such a big sport in Korea getting continuous coverage ala soccer, baseball, or even badminton. (I know its grown in popularity in Korea in recent years because of the international success of Korean fencers, but not at the turn of the 21st century.) So a small time reporter on fencing having a romance with a fencer would hardly be a major conflict of interest.

Besides, speaking of the ethics of journalism, what would it matter? Its not a political reporter,covering an issue of major political importance, who could influence the voter response. In fencing, your victory isn't dependent on public perception.

That's why I thought the Mom announcing the imputation of cheating when reporting on her daughter was a very effective way of showing how she was cutting herself off from "normal" maternal emotions. As a newscaster, she would not AT ALL have had to end with that kind of phrasing, (she could have just said the decision was "controversial" or something like that) but instead of asking for modification of phrasing that condemned her daughter's victory, she kind of welcomed it.

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yeah it makes me wonder about athletes nowadays.. i feel like homeschooling and personal tutoring is more of a thing than back then for athletes/celebrities, but i do think it was a great point with yeji's story that sometimes the things we decide to do when we're younger is not always what we want later.

and agreed! i think the show has definitely been treading the line with their romance/kiss, but the fact that everything was initiated by heedo shows how careful yijin has been. they can't blame them for their feelings being there and so far, their support and love for each other has been so pure.

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I thought it was hilarious that the lovey dovey scene with Mum lasted all of five seconds before they got into combat mode again.

And that Ye Ji plot, i had no idea they weren’t allowed to study! I thot Ye Ji would’ve just gone to classes after she got off the team, not quit school. It’s kinda sad to think they missed a chance on other options if they turn out to be not successful with their sport.

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BRILLIANT

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I loved everything in these episodes. They were brilliant. One of the things that I loved the most is Ye-ji’s story line. At first, I didn’t understand the coach. I thought she was in the wrong for insisting that Ye-ji can’t quit. I still don’t agree 100% with the coach about how she reacted to the whole situation, but I respect her attempt at making sure Ye-ji begins her new path with confidence. By making sure Ye-ji got to a place that would make her proud of herself before quitting, she can be sure that her girl will begin the new path with the feeling of confidence not that of a loser. I think I really liked it when the coach told Ye-ji to remember how hard she must have endured in order to gain the opportunity for the new path. It made sense. She could set a goal that’s within Ye-he’s reach and at the same time challenging for her.

I also found the hidden message from the writer incredibly subtle and insightful when both Ye-ji and Seung-wan met at the school gate. One quit fencing to go back to school when one had been prohibited to attend classes before and the other one quit school that she had attended for 12 years. Their situations are different, but that highlights how real life is. No one knows what will happen, and sometimes we have to change our plans because the situation changes. Some change because what’s inside them changed, while some change because of external factors. Life is unpredictable that way, but it’s always helpful when you’re supported by those around you.

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Life is a set of unexpected events. I remember so clearly the scene around the last scene of the last ep when HD and JW are about to enter the CSAT exam place and SW, Yurim, and YJ are there to cheer for them. Yurim doesn’t take the test because of her family’s financial difficulty and makes her choose to become a professional fencer. SW had to quit school and waste a year because she intended to and did the right thing according to her principles. Yi-jin became a reporter without a college certificate. HD and JW, being the students with the lowest scores get to take the test because they can and their families want them to. I guess this is what the show is trying to tell us- them coming together and perhaps drifting apart are out of their hands. We should brace ourselves for what to come in the next eps...

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That was my reaction too! Haha

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Everything in the past storyline is pitch perfect - and I desperately want Seung-wan to become a lawyer and crush that teacher ……

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I thought these two episodes were the strongest yet. I cried ugly tears when they went to see her dad’s grave. They had those 5 minutes of understanding and then fought again on the way home. This writer knows mother-daughter relationships so well. I see my daughter in Hee-do. I see me in her mom. It’s a hard mirror to unsee. And I loved the kiss at midnight. And it was open-mouthed on her end. She knew exactly what she was doing. Nothing in this show has ever shown us that Yejin has evert made the first romantic move, which is great. It’s all her. He’s not even close to being the aggressor. I love the beta male supporting the female every time. I am so freaking scared of next week’s episodes though. I may just have to skip the angst and come back in two weeks when it all wraps up!

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Same same! I’m so nervous it’s going to collapse spectacularly…

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I enjoyed all the side stories this week, Ye Ji deciding fencing wasn't for her, the coach making sure she really wanted to quit not just because she was in a slump, Seung Wan and her badass mother, and that it wasn't some triumph, yes she got to feel good, and her mom got the appology, but we all know they'll go right back to hitting kids. I already had more sympathy for the mom than most I think, I knew this was coming, she was a woman supporting a daughter alone in 1990s Korea, that was a hard road.

The romances... meh.
Yi-jin and Hee-do is fine, they're doing a decent job since I don't hate it, as a usually do the gross grown man and underaged girl trope.

The B romance is also fine, but it kinda feels obligatory, Ji-Woong and Seun-Wan have much more spark to their interactions, and honestly.... Yoo-rim and Hee-do have by far the best chemistry of any pairing on the show, their scenes really crackle with energy.

I'm interested to see where this goes next, but I do feel like we're just kind of drifting here.

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To be clear they made sure she was of age, when she kissed him. Although I do believe the age of majority is 20 in Korea, she was 19 when they kissed. The writer made sure to add that part.

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Meh, the whole... oh they don't kiss until she's of age, or "she's old for her grade and technically an adult" stuff isn't something that in this case or any other changes my mind, any time it's a schoolgirl (and in this case a whole subplot is that she's immature) and a grown man I find it pretty gross.

It does show how framing and drama music can change how we think about things.

In real life, if you described Yi-Jin (he's a guy in his 20s, he's kind of dating a HS student, he apparently has no friends except for another HS girl.) the general response would be "what a creep".

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I don't disagree that it was creepy, the writer did everything to make it as legal as possible. So I agree with your point, I was just pointing out that she wasn't underaged.

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fair

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While it does sound gross to have a grown man kiss/date a high schooler, we need to remember that in actual fact yijin is not very much older than heedo (only 4years apart). Heedo is already at her final year in high school not first year.
Also, yijin gives off the impression of a grown man because he was forced by circumstances to enter the working society at an early age and grow up asap. In an earlier episode, when looking back at the old photo, mom also commented that at the time yijin looks like a grown man, but looking at the pic now makes her realised he was actually still just a kid.
If his family did not go bankrupt, I believe yijin would still be studying university. In that case, will people still find it gross?

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Yes actually. There is a difference in mentality between people in high school and people in college. If it was 1 yr difference it would have been fine. However, it is at least a 4 yr difference. If they had actually waited until she was 21 and he was 25, it wouldn't have bothered me. Here she technically just came of age at Korean 20, which could be anything from 18-20. So yes, it is uncomfortable, at least for me. We are allowed to disagree on that in this case.

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yes. He's an adult who behaves like an adult and she behaves like a child. In real life if I saw a 4th year university student who spent all his time chasing after HS students I'd think he was a creep.

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To be clear she was NOT a HS student anymore. The academic test that she and JiWoong took is called the “suneung” In Korea this test marks the end of highschool.

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She was a student when the relationship started and developed, that they didn't kiss until after she graduated doesn't change that the relationship itself was clearly romantic in nature before that. Listen it's a drama, and we also instinctively know that Tae-ri is older than her character which makes it feel less gross, but let's not pretend that in real life this would be cool.

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I really like Hee-Do's mother. She's a woman and a newscaster, it's very hard to become a newcaster on a main channel. In 93, they already implied she was becoming too old for this job. She lost her husband and she's now the only bread earner of the family. Sadly, the only way she found to not break was to bury her feelings. When Hee-Do can speak about everything openly, her mother is the opposite. It's sad she couldn't see that her daughter needed to talk about it but in the same time, she was mourning too.

I think the drama showed how growing up change people. The responsabilities and the society kinda tame our spirit.

I liked Seung-Wan parts but in the same time, I was surprised that the mother didn't do anything. If adults protested against the school, the situation could have been different.

It's nice to see Yi-Jin being a big brother for everyone. He helped Seung-Wan with the journalist, Ji-Woong with his confession, Hee-Do with her mother.

Hee-Do kissing him was the right thing. He always let her doing things at her own pace :)

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I wanted Seung-wan's mom to go to the Parents' Association like what she said. Have the parents come together. But I think with the upcoming CSAT, the parents might not agree with it or idk. Maybe the writer wanted to show us that Seung-wan is not our typical smart girl and she'll make a difference despite having GED and not a high score in the CSAT.

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Yeah. I honestly liked Seung-Wan's decision and the bond she shared with her mum. She's smart and determined, she will be whatever she wants, I have no fear for her future.

But, in the real life, I think the mother could have supported her in her demarch and not let leave the school.

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Same. And the convo with Mom was so heartwarming.

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I wanted her mom to do that too but there was a line from the reporter, I think, about parents opposing the ban on corporate punishment because they thought it degraded teachers' authority. I wonder if that was really the case back then? Given the emphasis on grades, I wouldn't be surprised. Seung-wan's mom might not have found much more support than Seung-wan.

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Oh yea, that line from the reporter. Given how important CSAT and even now, how parents rely on teachers/tutors to get their kids the highest score (all these assumptions basing from Sky Castle and any high school drama we’ve seen) and thus they should have that certain authority. It probably might have been the case before.

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Yeah. Sadly, I could see many parents supporting the teacher since Ji-woong and presumably the others being hit were at the bottom of the class and thus seen as troublemakers and disruptive forces whom needed to be kept in line. If kdramas have taught me anything, it's that class ranking is of almighty importance.

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MVP scenes this week for me were the breakdown at the grave with Heedo and her mom along with their conversation prior where you could easily sympathize with both of them and then Seungwan in episode 12.

Seungwan will definitely go down as one of my favorite supporting characters ever. Her scene with her mother, the rooftop scene with Jiwoong, and then the farewells while leaving school all made me cry multiple times throughout the day. Super proud of what an awesome human being she is, love her x100.

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I loved this two episodes. Too many good scenes!

Seung-wan ah! What a girl! It must've been frightening to make that decision because her future relies so much on the CSAT. But I'm so proud of her and mom! When she barged in the faculty room? I had to pause and clap for her!

Ye-ji - It does take courage to give up and challenge yourself to a new beginning. What Coach Yang told her resonated with me because sometimes when we've given up something and chose another path, there's a big chance of giving up again esp if it was such an easy way out. One must have a resolution to take up a new challenge and remember how much we've worked hard to acquire it.

HD's mom. I get where she's coming from and my heart breaks for her. And I hope this will make her communicate with Heedo more. That scene in the car talking about college was so normal xD

Our OTP. That casual dinner, YJ's tone on the phone while he waits in the lobby *swoon* his shocked face (which has become a running gag, having NJH do these shocked faces xD) when HD was speaking French. Them wanting to spend more time together *swoon* YJ's convo with Cutie Pie Oppa *swoon*

I love the friendship our OTP has and YJ never forced himself towards Hee-do. My guesses for the upcoming eps have been wrong xD I just want 4eps of 25-21 timeline but looks like will be getting it in the last two eps. Sigh. Kdrama.

Also, I'm liking this trend in the current airing dramas that girls get to do the kissing first. You go girls!

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Love what coach did with Ye Ji and this is the wisdom I hope to take along. It really becomes easy to be a quitter if you haven't tried your best and take the easy route out. Then it becomes a cycle and you're never satisfied. Now if only coach Yang Mi can become the national coach, thay would be great for every athlete under her training.

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Totally agree. At first, I thought Coach Yang wanted Ye-ji to get over her slump but I was pleasantly surprised with the lesson she wanted to impart.

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I guess that is why she didn't buy it when Hee do told her that she no longer finds fencing fun
Boredom may be a clue to your inevitable exit but that is also normal so it isn't reason enough to quit. I underestimated the Coach thinking sje wants Ye Ji to only get out of her slump but she's far superior.

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Yes, boredom shouldn't be the only reason to quit and Coach saw that. Indeed, she is superior!

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Honestly that convo with cutie pie was even more swoony than the 1st confession if that’s possible.. haha..so glad HD heard it tho! But how random was it for cutie pie to suddenly appear in Daegu 😆

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I am so glad HD heard it. I guess Cutie Pie was also there for the fencing competition? It looks like it was a national competition.

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As usual, there were so many wonderful moments this week ❤

I really enjoyed the storyline with Hee-do and her mom. During the earlier episodes, I couldn't understand why she didn't even seem to try to have a better relationship with Hee-do, but being a parent doesn't automatically mean you can push past your grief and be there in all the ways your child needs, as sad as that is. I was so happy to see them in a good place again, and have some typical mother-daughter bickering lol

Seung-wan and her mom were the MVP's of the week! Like many beanies I cried right along with Seung-wan during her talk with mom. It's a crushing realization to see injustices be allowed to continue, and even though shining a light on it helps, we're often powerless to stop it. She's got the spirit and support to change the world one day though

Ye-ji's story was so nice too. A lot of shows would have her rediscover her love of fencing through her victory, but having her stick with her decision and take a different path is so real

My other favorite scenes have to be the broadcast/fireworks and Seung-wan, Ye-ji, Hee-do, and Yoo-rim celebrating together

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I expected the show to go that atypical route with Ye Ji too. Her coming out of her slump by training hard and rediscovering her love for fencing. But the reality is when you're done with something, you aren't exactly in a slump but you know that you can no longer continue it. So kudos to the show for taking the more realistic route and also encouraging others to leave when its the right time but by giving their best last shot.

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they literally climb over the gate together to freedom.

But a bit later it sure looked like the fence to the side was lower and much easier to climb over... I could go on a about what that symbolizes about the girls except that I expect it was unintentional.

Meanwhile, even if this was going to be Ye-ji's last tournament and last day of fencing, I think it would have been better for her to finish the event instead of dropping out in the middle.

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Yes that one little detail about the competition didn’t make sense cos 1) i doubt the school would be happy to have their record and chance of a medal marred by a withdrawal and 2) she mentioned not wanting to rob other girls chance of getting ahead when she knows she’s quitting but she kind of did that already with her opponent?

That’s my thought but then i shrug it off as “drama” like always 😬

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once she withdrew, her opponent would move to the semi-finals instead of her.

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the next 5 days are gonna be so hard to wait after that ending T___T absolutely in love with this show! kim taeri and nam joohyuk's chemistry is *chef's kiss* and the whole cast for that matter. each plot point is so well thought out and i just feel so hopeful after watching!

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I agree with what @mistyisles said about these two episodes in particular, but also about the show as a whole--the present day narrative framework at times works to undercut the story being told in the past. I STILL really wish they had kept the same actress for Hee Do in the present day.

That's not to say that I am complaining in general about this show, which is very well written, and at times really beautifully filmed. The set scene near the end of episode 10 filmed from the back with the 5 main characters on the beach was just a wonderful composition, with beautiful color. The umbrella scene in the recent episode was not only really cute, it a was really effective cinematic way showing the bond between YJ and HD.
Where I seem to be unique in my reaction at least up to episode 12, though, is in feeling that this show is just really deeply sad at its heart. I don't mean cruelly sad, although that teacher was as close to a villain as this show has presented, or over-dramatically sad, with young people dying or anything like that (although I guess we'll see) I just mean that every happy moment is undercut by some later reaction or response. The triumph of match--accusations of cheating; the joy of the beach, Hee do doesn't remember. The courage of Seung-wan--the need to withdraw from school.
You can make a strong argument that this really melancholy view of life is totally realistic, as was the character (was it in episode 9?) saying "society doesn't care about your individual concerns." And I am not AT ALL criticizing the writer or the show for this perspective, because it is very effectively and subtly presented. Plus, we'll see what happens--4 episodes is a lot of episodes, and there could be a more cheerful ending in store.
But we already know from foreshadowing that the very next episode will undermine the emotion of the kiss that ended this latest one, so I have a feeling a truly happy ending isn't in the cards. We'll see!

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That’s what KTR and NJH said in one of the makings. That’s this writer likes to have a happy scene and boom right next to it, it makes you sad.

Though I’m still hopeful that we’ll have a happy ending, I’m preparing myself for the worst.

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Absolutely agree with you @hacja about the sadness - so many times I've been left feeling "wistful" for the exact reason you give: this should have been a joyous moment; it's been undercut by a problematic reality. And this seems to be the motif at the heart of it all. Since the early episodes, it's been strongly hinted (known?) that YJ and HD won't end up together - this should have been a joyous relationship that brought two people great happiness; I'm anticipating some cold reality is going to undercut this, too, and leave us all mourning the what-could-have-beens.

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The joys of idealistic youth are contrasted with the sadness of the realistic adulthood. There are hints in the present timeline for none of the friendships lasting longer, nor any important memory. Also the decisions made by Ye ji and Seung wan on how they can break is opposite to how BYJ has to bend over as an adult. When SW was complaining that her life is rather boring, i wanted her to stop thinking like that because when you do, life has a fun way of throwing a curveball. The happy moments are far and few in the realistic world , it's the normal boring days in abundance and if not that then sadness aplenty. I like how the writer has maintained that melancholy since the very first episode, preparing us for anything to come steadily, maybe even life as it happens.

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@wapzy I guess my point is that I don't see too many unalloyed joys of idealistic youth in this drama, so far, that is--still 4 epsidodes to go--except for the relationship YJ and HD, and we already know that is going to end. The joys we see are all tempered or undercut. But also, I think the failure of adults here is a really strong theme in this one. Unlike a lot of people, I don't see any inspiration in the Coach's lesson--its pretty typical coach speak. "Quitters never win--winners never quit" etc. etc. I felt the true inspiration is in the response of Ye-Ji. But that's typical of this drama, where the wisdom is being displayed by the young people. What makes it sad is that so far, their triumphs are being let down by the adults, and I have a feeling that when they become adults, they will also let go of their love and support for each other, which again is a realistic message and not a critique of the show.

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i'm hoping for and expecting a happy ending, but i'm totally with you about the overall melancholic tone of the writing. even when we get happy moments, there's that realization that it has all passed already. it's like how people say you should live in the moment, and knowing these moments have long passed makes everything bittersweet.

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(hit send before i finished ;A;)

but even though this sadness feels pretty pervasive, i think there's also hope interspersed throughout in a way that feels earned. it's not just positivity for the sake of it. it feels real bc these characters, mainly our leads, are constantly lifting each other up. regardless of where they are in the present timeline, how they are helping each other grow and reach their full potential is something to be celebrated and cherished.

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@dogemama You could very well be right. But I could see it very well going the other way, because the writer, as you say, much to her credit does not include any positivity just for the sake of it, and therefore might not go for an inspirational ending. It will be very interesting to see!

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loved how we could see more of the other character and how they all have their own stories to tell, not directly linked to the main leads. even heedo's mom, it was nice to see her side of the whole situation. I liker her a lot and she has always tried to do the best to keep their life going after her husband died.

seungwan is SO INTERESTING, wanted a spinoff following her all the time. she brought the most interesting bits of story in this drama for me bcs they were not your usual stories. the #1 in th school being depressed and saying everything is boring, having a male friend and not beign romantically involved at all, the web radio thing.. she has so many layes and stories to tell, ugh I wish we could see more of her all the time lol

for the romance... never liked, still dont like it. its the weakest link for me here and unfortunately this is a romance drama so I just have to go through it. NJK does nothing for me, his character has its moments, but I find him boring/one note most of the time. I like seeing him develop as a reporter, these moments are my favorites with him. I dont think they have chemistry and I still cant get over the fact that he fell in love her when she was a teenager

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ep 12 was amazing for lack of a better word. that scene where hee do and yu rim congratulated seung wan and ye ji on their new beginnings with cake had me crying! watching seung wan's story line from start to finish filled me with so much hope and just made me realize that yeah, school is not everything when it comes to learning. you can learn about life, about who you are/want to be from other people and in other ways. Life is what we make it!!!

also I just have to say: I love this drama so much!!!!
I was born in the late 90s ('97 to be exact), but I'm shookt that I can relate to these characters so much and the 90s they experienced! like I had a tamagotchi, I also received goodbye messages on a rolling/cartolina paper from my classmates when I left for Canada lolll, cable TV, those hair bobbles!!!, yi jin's pencil case, texting in t9!

LOVE THIS DRAMA.

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I'm already in love with this drama but this week they really hit it far. Esp they showed very accurately how being cooped up in a classroom for a single exam which would determine your entire life. Literally the simple scenes where the students occasionally sighing with frustation, the random screaming and running out of thr classroom, the night time classroom studying and the small respite they got with the fireworks and ye jin's broadcast reduced me to tears. I have never seen such an accurate reprensentation of that time of my life on tv.So I'm much more in awe of Seung wan for sacrificing the whole year beacuse I felt that she was my classmate and can totally imagine myself in her shoes. At that time not many parents would have gone against teachers believe me when I say it as many parents encouraged the teachers to beat their kids in the school and teachers are revered. I'm very thankful that much has changed in the society that I'm currently living in.
From earlier I have waiting for the mom daughter confrontation rather than yu rim and hee do. The actress who played mom did a very good job of love shining through her eyes even though she was very harsh with Hee do. So I was always waiting for her story from the beginning. Not that she was right as poor Hee do has suffered a lot. But nowadays I can understand a mothers character a bit more than I used to.
But whatever it may be in every episode Yi jin and Hee do are the best for me.

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And Yi jin need not kiss her back. His eyes says it all.

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Best post-kiss scene, the whole moment was perfect.

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the actress who plays heedo's mother has been knocking it out of the park from day 1, but she really got to show her full range this weekend. the entire cast is phenomenal, everyone from the leads to all supporting characters. this casting director deserves a raise!

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BADASS SEUNGWAN MOM! Omg!! 😍 Again this weekend’s eps felt a bit uneven/unmatched for me - ep 11 was “nice” but kinda bland (like ep 10), but ep 12, ouf - packed such a punch!! (like ep 9). That said, def not complaining, at least none of the dreaded angst has been dropped on us (yet)… eg surprisingly the docu seems to have come n gone without any attacks on the reporter being too close to his subject (but I do keep dreading it, eg in ep 12, he went to pick her up at her hotel n have dinner with her!? Oy… more discretion needed, duuuude!!). But with only 4 more eps to go, I really cannot wrap my head around it: just WHAT is going to happen???!!!??? 🥺 Kim Taeri continues to amaze me - in ep 12, somehow little nuances in her acting (can’t pinpoint what exactly) have changed n u can actually feel she’s matured just a little bit more n is growing up into a lady (but yeah, big fat boo to the actress playing adult HD, n the directing for that part!). Are they gonna sell that umbrella?? 😍

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Right off the bat, just want to say THANK YOU for heading up the recap with the photo of Super Seung Wan Umma in action! That was one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

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oh man, these two episodes were my favorite so far. So much here for all the characters—no one is left behind or sidelined, everyone grows. And such good life lessons mixed in about standing up for your values, no matter what it costs.
Also, that kiss at the end, holy...

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How sad that Seung-wan is so young and already so jaded by life. At first, I thought she would transfer schools, but that'd be admitting she was at fault. Even if she dropped out, she is smart enough to pass the GED and CSAT. I still think Seung-wan likes Ji-woong, and her reaction to the abusive teacher was due in part to him. When she told Yi-jin and Hee-do why she didn't go the concert, I don't think she was talking about music but Ji-woong.

Why would Seung-wan need Caller ID if she can just save Yi-jin's number? Even Ji-woong has his number when he doesn't even have a phone. My favorite scene today was when Ji-woong visited Yi-jin at work. "Hyung, you look pretty today too." It was heart-fluttering how Yi-jin only wanted Hee-do's photo, but Ji-woong is right -- that is misleading af.

I just want to ask Yu-rim did she really think Yi-jin was a loser back then because he was clearly the most popular boy in school? How is Hee-do the only one fangirling over him? Do the other girls not see the new guitarist? It was funny when he scolded Jungle Prince.

I hated the conversation between Yi-jin and Dalkong. Why is Yi-jin even talking to that boy? This is how Hee-do finds out Yi-jin likes her, not by the way he looks at her? His head bump while watching the fireworks was love, but I loved when Hee-do was pulling him to the broadcasting club more because of how Yi-jin was just looking at her.

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He had already confessed his love for her in a previous episode.

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The episodes 11-12 really focused on what each character truly believe in and how they stood up against the odds and choosing the path they wanted to even though the future seems uncertain.
- Seung wan being the top of her class and school, she couldnt ignore the injustice happening around the school and she took a step to quit school which was quite brave enough. I love this girl so much. She is sensible even more than adults around her. This was such a difficult step for any student, but am glad her mom was quite understanding and took her side. We need more mothers like that in our society. i loved that all the students gave a lovely farewell to her. Ji Woong and Seung Wan has the best of friendship. Diaper buddies for life. I also liked how Seng Wan's mother fiercely asked for the apology on behalf of Ji Woong from the shitty teacher. Their bond is the best.

- Yeji quitting the fencing part was quite emotional as well. Somehow we got to know Coach's intention in a subtle manner that she wanted to provide an opportunity to her to let go of this dream in a dignified manner, making herself admit that she quit giving her best at the very last battle. It takes a lot of courage to quit something you once had loved and admitting to move on. She needed to be applauded for this

Two different girls, two different circumstances, yet their stories really moved me and inspired me. I love the writing so much.

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Yes. And it’s also bittersweet to think that both SW and YJ were top students whose future were so bright; but because of external factors they now have to pave their own paths. On the contrary, HD and JW are taking the CSAT despite them being (at least initially) uninterested in going to college..

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The small reconciliation at the father's grave, between Hee Do and her mother is nice. I wish that Hee Do's mother doesn't try to hold it in so much. I know she is suppressing all the feelings and keeping it bottled up inside her so that she wont breakdown infront of Hee Do and so that she doesnt give the assumption that she is weak. But having up closed off so much, her mother doesnt realize that her relationship with her daughter is more straining than saving it.
She is good mother trying to balance out her personal and professional life all alone, but she isnt the best mother out there. Lack of communication and understanding ruins all the bond.

My most favourite part from the 2 episodes was when the Hee Do's ex confronted Yi Jin. I love Yi Jin's answer. He wanted to see her grow as an athlete, as a person , give her the best and he wants to be there to fulfill her dream. He will do anything for it. Talk about setting the bar high for the bf material Yi jin. Also, Yi Jin's jealousy when her ex told that he cant forget about Cutiepie. HAHA!

I didnt expect the kiss, but it was nice and innocent. Loved how HeeDo took the initiative and Yi Jin closing the eyes indicate he accept it and he is okay taking her the lead.

I still have the bad feeling that they wont end up together. But its okay. Things happen and future is so uncertain.

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Hello Show, i love you ❤️
More & more each week cos you get better every week too. I don’t care if i sound like a broken record or repeating what most beanies are saying, I just love you.

Thank you for giving us such a fabulously fantastic girl-trio including one extra chaotic spunky Hee Do, thank you for the wholesome goodness that is our boy-duo. I’m actually super psyched to see what kind of adults they become (i can just pretend you haven’t shown us adult HD yet..but who knows, maybe i’ll like her soon. I mean i’m ok with mum now, sort of.)

I love you Show, let’s have a smooth ride into the sunset with the last 4 ok? 😍❤️

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Why doesn't she remember the beach???? If they do an accident that makes her lose her memories.... I'll be sooooo annoyed ugh

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Perhaps they made better memories later that overtook what she thought was the best when she’s younger

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+1 to this take!

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OMG this was the exact thought I had the other day when I was mulling over this comment.

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I finally dropped the drama this week and am just reading the recaps. When is the 25 21 part going to start? Or is the whole title just a tease?

I didn’t miss not watching I have to say. The age difference doesn’t bother me. But I really don’t understand the different stages of life difference. That’s what feels weird about the relationship. He clearly saw her as this little kid in the beginning. And yeah her joy of life brought him back. But it’s cuz she’s still in high school!

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I was in high school in the early 2000s. Even back then, a number of my female classmates were dating adult, working guys who are at least 4 years elder, and I know at least two of my classmates finished College, ended up marrying their partner from back then, have kids and all that.

Am I the only one who think the romance between HD and YJ is totally acceptable?

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