Open Thread #817
by DB Staff
Happy Friday everyone!
Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.
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1 welh
June 16, 2023 at 5:05 AM
A talent agency should protect its artists from making career mistakes. It is really a head scratcher that Blackpink’s Jennie made her acting debut in the controversial HBO series THE IDOL. It debuted at Cannes, the most avant-garde audience, came away disturbed and disgusted by the series premiere. Critics continued to pan the show, and THE IDOL eventually reached a low score of 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. It was described as terrible, juvenile dialogue, excessive nudity and torture porn. It was reported Jennie chose to participate in the film at the invitation of The Weeknd, the male lead and film producer, not arranged by YG Entertainment as many people speculated (how is that possible?), causing her to suffer scrutiny and criticism from the Korean media. Her acting was bad, but the spin was “Jennie tried to debut as an actress just to have a dance performance of 19+ series,” a critic wrote. As the negative comments about Jennie increased in the media, her many fans stood up to protect their idol. She is a highly paid, global ambassador for many international luxury brands. Most advertisers in Korea and elsewhere want wholesome spokes persons promoting their brands. I wonder if this will have a backlash on her secondary model career and CFs. But then again, Western brands may not care anymore.
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redfox
June 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM
isn´t it the same where Johnny Depps´ kid plays? Lily...
uh, it is that bad? But I dont trust RT anymore. They bashed our Last Sentinel, a movie I enjoyed just frantically
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Britney
June 16, 2023 at 11:28 AM
Well, to give the benefit of the doubt, how could she have known how bad it would be? I assume she was just honored to be offered a role in a Western project by someone she liked/admired/respected/whatever.
That being said, maybe she wanted to doing risque things that she can't do in Korean entertainment.
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fournier48
June 16, 2023 at 12:57 PM
They should have known because HBO. But in all fairness, she or her company would have no idea that the creators would force out the female director and redo the show. Also, I have seen some critics say she's the only real idol on it and makes the leads look dull-- so a very slight positive??
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2 cat-cric-kat
June 16, 2023 at 5:16 AM
weather - hot vs. rain - hot +ve - summer is summer - rain is -ve
Air - i intentionally didn't talk about it - it's your typical casual affair - every summer same cliche plays out everywhere - It's slightly more impactful because of rising temp but still not as much big
I had once talked about 2003-05 summer n heat waves - quite big european summer - it's 2023 - calling climate change is more like broadcasting a cheap buzzword.
Overall record making few heat waves days but everything still much in balance - the big ups n downs are for upcoming future.
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cat-cric-kat
June 16, 2023 at 5:27 AM
ocean storms season too - it all depends upon how much heat n energy in atmosphere -
Boris done - Neta and erdo boy won't go down easily.
Iran - same story every year -as expected - common sense
Pak - imran down - party done - army shows what power it has - lost reputation but power is intact
XI - won middle east jackpot - France macron near - germany not a leader - UK in doldrums - africa much in control - latin america near - as said several times before - The most powerful in world unofficially
i'm enjoying this big stage show quite a lot -
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3 redfox
June 16, 2023 at 7:21 AM
my korean culture club is watching a movie, im working. they are watching Decision to leave. I didnt remember if there was any strongly erotic scene so I was worried whether there´d be sounds of moaning from the video room but her cmon we have this movie and it is on location use only, so...
it would be spicy.
but no I think it was more about the tension? anyway, I´m not there LOL
also speech contest, my gosh I kept inhaling snot back in so it wouldnt drip.
big big trouble: weekend. Without Yeon and Rang. how do I survive that.
I guess I have to start from ep 1.
I can use the more actiony episodes as workout videos.
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bbstl 🧹
June 16, 2023 at 9:00 AM
🤧
Watch a really sad movie to help accelerate the exit of head congestion! (ewwwwww)
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spazmo
June 16, 2023 at 12:31 PM
you and i can miss Yeon and Rang together this weekend...
*sniffs*
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4 lapislazulii
June 16, 2023 at 8:28 AM
A little bit of an existential ramble but I was reminded that this time last year I was planning my big end of year trip with my BFF. Time has just flown past so quickly, it feels like planning that trip was so recent and jetting off was just yesterday, when it's somehow been months since. This was the first time I'd travelled for a long time with someone that wasn't family, and whilst we had lots of fun, it came with some challenges and unexpected hurdles too. I guess at the time, my mind was more fixated on what wasn't going right, so I came back feeling a little like I'd not made the most of the trip. But when I look back at those memories now, I actually find that those days where things went wrong, were kind of endearing in their own ways, and the parts of the trip that I thought were boring at the time, I'm actually recalling with a lot of fondness and happiness. Maybe that's the power of hindsight and I'm colouring my memories a little with nostalgia, but I do wish I'd tried to savor the moments a little more instead of spending time worrying about something that had already happened or was going to happen. It's making me want to apply that same philosophy to life now too, to enjoy every moment for what it is rather than what it isn't - though I guess that's easier said than done!
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redfox
June 16, 2023 at 8:37 AM
never a trip where everything goes right. but those things are minor, looking back
travelling with friends can turn a lot of things upside down people have very different sides. it is also one of the best things you can do.
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lapislazulii
June 16, 2023 at 3:53 PM
Couldn't agree more, even if you're friends with someone from a while and you think you know everything, you end up finding out new things about them when you're travelling together. And I'm sure it was vice versa too, with my friend discovering sides of me she wasn't previously aware of. It does make the friendship stronger in some senses though! I used to go on short Uni competition trips together with other students, and we'd always joke about how we all start off virtual strangers but travelling and competing together for a little while would always give us a crash course in friendship 😂
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Kathryn51
June 16, 2023 at 6:56 PM
Heck, traveling with even a Significant Other can be torture. Witness me and Darling Hubby - we are totally different, but after many years traveling, have learned a handful of compromises. Haven't had the "perfect" trip in a long time (it was with kids) but nevertheless, planning a trip to South Korea next year.
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lapislazulii
June 16, 2023 at 9:54 PM
That sounds sweet though, that you both have worked to find those compromises to work with each others differences! SK trip next year too, that sounds exciting!!
I had a friend who once decided to go on a month long trip with her boyfriend whom she'd been going out with for just under three months at the time - suffice to say, the trip really tested their relationship but they came out of it in one piece and together still 😂
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Britney
June 16, 2023 at 7:11 PM
It's cool you have a friend you can go on trips with.
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Britney
June 17, 2023 at 12:22 AM
I have existential crisises, rambles, thoughts all the time but they never lead me to the conclusion yours led you to.
I did go on a trip out of state and when I was on my way back home, I wondered if I wasted my trip. Did I not see enough? Did I not do enough? I was told I could always just visit again another time but I know myself and that's unlikely.
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5 mmmmm
June 16, 2023 at 8:33 AM
I followed a Beanie’s advice to try dipping my toes in something different while doing my research, so this week I’ve been binging a Japanese manga named Fruits Basket!
I don’t normally watch manga, so it surprised me that it has a lot of interesting dialogues. Certain parts made me roll my eyes, but some made me cry a river. I’m still enjoying its SS2 now and it has 3 SSs.
This Sunday, I’ll get my new air conditioner because the old one broke down and it will cost too much to fix. I really am looking forward to my new air conditioner. I hope that with this new one, I’ll sleep better than how I do these days. 😅😂
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 18, 2023 at 5:53 AM
Hope the air on has been set up and all is well in your home
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mmmmm
June 18, 2023 at 6:29 AM
Thanks Reply! Yes, the new one has been set up, and now I'm so happy it's cool in my bed room!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 18, 2023 at 7:08 AM
Yay, here’s to sleeping well again😴
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mmmmm
June 18, 2023 at 8:09 AM
Thanks! 😁
6 hacja
June 16, 2023 at 8:48 AM
Last night I dreamed that I was dancing the choreography to New Jeans hit song “OMG” when a beautiful apparition in white rose out of the dance floor and spoke directly to me. “King, the Land” she said. “It’s the pairing of YoonA and Junho you’ve been waiting for.” She disappeared before I could ask who Junho was. I woke up confused. King? The Land? Were these some Jungian archetypes? And don’t I usually perform the choreography to “Ditto?”
But I have a strong feeling that this dream is indicative of the deep disappointment I’ve been experiencing throughout this kdrama season with the depiction of romance. Even praiseworthy shows I HAVEN’T watched have disappointed me in their romance: Good Bad Mother, where (apparently) revenge continued to trump love; Chase, where (apparently) an office romance never came to fruition.
Now we will have a Junho and YoonA subverting the chaebol/commoner trope by agreeing to remain successful business partners; See You in my 19th Life, where Shin Hye-Sun will decide that celibacy brings an eternal contentment that tumultuous romance cannot equal, and Heartbeat, where Taecyeon will sacrifice himself and his love to prevent an evil faction of vampires from sucking the lifeblood out of Korean democracy. Oh well, least I got to watch a flourishing bromance in “Bloodhounds,” based on killer punches to the kidneys.
I tell you, it’s a sad state of affairs when an old man who has bored his wife for decades is more romantic than most K-Dramas!
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7 kiara
June 16, 2023 at 9:12 AM
KOREAN DISNEY+ ORIGINAL CONTENT COMMISIONS TEAM DISBANDED
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/korean-disney-original-content-commisions-team-disbanded/
What say you?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 16, 2023 at 10:26 AM
Hopefully it means the other channels will pick up the shows that have been locked in Disney+ Asian region only. If they then make sure the rest of the global market is better served I will be a happy woman.
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Diana Hansen
June 16, 2023 at 12:34 PM
And I will join you in the celebration!
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Asha13
June 16, 2023 at 7:24 PM
I am seeing “The real has come” in Netflix now, and dr romantic 3 in Hulu. So maybe your wish is coming true.
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Alluvial_Fan
June 16, 2023 at 10:57 AM
Oh joy, oh rapture - the Mouse has blinked. One fewer clueless platform to grumble about. Honestly, they tried hard but lacked the essential sincerity that is the heart of successful Korean content.
Hmm, perhaps this explains why I can finally watch Call It Love on HULU. I think Dr. Romantic 3 is there too.
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Babylilo
June 16, 2023 at 12:29 PM
I looked at subscribing to Disney, and saw that they offer bundles with HULU and HULU + ESPN. Maybe their relationship with HULU means that all of their Korean content will migrate there? 🤞
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kiara
June 16, 2023 at 1:15 PM
Disney is all over the place. I think they should have started with Disney + first, but they have 80% of ESPN and 67% ownership of Hulu.
Bob Iger's ambitions led to the mess.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 16, 2023 at 12:33 PM
I was really sad I had to go to the dark side for CIL. Would have loved to see this one on large screen/TV.
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Diana Hansen
June 16, 2023 at 12:35 PM
Good to know about Call It Love. I am watching Dr. Romantic 3 on Hulu right now.
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mindy
June 16, 2023 at 6:34 PM
All of Disney’s Korean originals are on Hulu instead in the US. Hulu is owned by Disney and is where they put their fare geared more towards adults.
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Britney
June 16, 2023 at 7:15 PM
I could only watch Korean stuff on Hulu except for maybe 3 things? Only 1 or 2 dramas I remember seeing on Disney+ and one of those dramas was a short one.
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kiara
June 16, 2023 at 8:22 PM
In the long run, merging Hulu and ESPN with Disney+ would have been a better decision. However, for this to happen, Disney must acquire Comcast's 33% share of Hulu and Hearst Communications' 20% share of ESPN. It seems Iger may have gone beyond his limits by acquiring too many IPs.
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pohonphee
June 16, 2023 at 9:14 PM
Yes for lacked the essential sincerity, they just look for profit. I believe behind popular K drama success in JTBC and Netflix there are executives, PDs, people in management who think their dramas are form of their art craft or just love watching K dramas in spite of profit or if drama becomes popular or not.
Just about to think Disney's dramas are getting better, they nix it. Should be more patient.
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welh
June 16, 2023 at 11:13 AM
Disney and Netflix hard push into Korea was made by using Western budget metrics to actually cost 3X more than normal Korean TV series costs. Naturally, it would be harder to earn a profit on their Korean OTT platforms because the expenses were out of whack. But Netflix is also paring back on international spending. Licensing may be more cost effective in the long run than being the actual producer.
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mmmmm
June 16, 2023 at 11:25 AM
I think it is a good call. Not to talk about anything else, I feel Disney+ K original content lacks the core that draws people to K shows. To be honest, the shows look pretentious, resulting from the attempts to merge what K shows are famous for and Disney Touch. The results were unsightly.
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Gikata
June 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM
From what I understood they aren't totally giving up on Korean content yet, only stopping producing their own kdramas. Anyway, good riddance. Hope we'll hear the wonderful news of them leaving that market alone soon enough.
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kiara
June 16, 2023 at 1:29 PM
They've tried it and lost billions. It's time to let go.
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Diana Hansen
June 16, 2023 at 11:58 AM
So does this mean I made a smart decision to not invest in a subscription to Disney (because I can't afford it)???
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 16, 2023 at 12:11 PM
The subscription was a pointless waste of money because the dramas you would have been expecting to be able to access would have been
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 16, 2023 at 12:30 PM
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zzthorn
June 16, 2023 at 4:33 PM
Except, the writer's strike in the US might make Kdramas more available here.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 16, 2023 at 12:07 PM
Good since they don't think anyone in North America needs to see them.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 16, 2023 at 12:32 PM
Good. Hopefully I will have better access to dramas than it being region locked by Disney.
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Jezz
June 16, 2023 at 3:53 PM
I knew that upcoming SBS horror Kdrama Revenant starring Kim Tae-ri now acquired to Disney+.
Also, Disney+ original Kdrama Moving will be in two months time (August 9, 2023).
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Kathryn51
June 16, 2023 at 7:05 PM
Good riddance.
My absolultest favorite kdrama is Crazy Love. I watched on with a Disney+ Asia with a VPN on my computer, but it still hasn't arrived in the USA except on HULU and I am effin NOT subscribing to another platform. Ef Disney.
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8 vienibenmio
June 16, 2023 at 10:13 AM
Between See you In My 19th Life, King the Land, and the likely announcement/possible trailer or clip of Bridgerton season 3 tomorrow CANNOT come soon enough!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM
With both airing on the same day and being available on Netflix at same time, my biggest confusion is which one to hit play first 😅
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Kathryn51
June 16, 2023 at 7:02 PM
19th Life is released first (based on broadcast time in Korea), but I plan to sleep in another hour to watch King the Land.
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vienibenmio
June 17, 2023 at 3:48 PM
I'm gonna watch King the Land earlier in the day and See You in My 19th Life in the evening. I already know what's basically gonna happen in the latter so I can just sit back and enjoy the ride!
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9 Babylilo
June 16, 2023 at 12:45 PM
I was looking for Season 3 of Happy Valley, and my niece (who’d lived in Dublin) gave me a tip about the Ireland National Broadcast Service (RTÉ). Unlike the BBC, I can access the service via VPN without having to provide proof of citizenship. They have a lot of other content available elsewhere, as well as some specifically Irish programs. I can now get a bunch of shows I’d wanted to see without having to pay for yet another streaming service. Hooray!
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10 thimble
June 16, 2023 at 2:19 PM
Any subscribers here to Prime for Kdramas? Thinking about trying it out and looking for some advice. In general I avoid buying from Amazon if I can possibly help it. Twice I got fooled into joining Prime & didn’t catch it til I saw the monthly charge on my credit card bill. Tricky! And then there’s Amazon’s labor practices. Looking over their catalogue of Korean on Prime video, I see huge numbers of shows and films to pick from, but when I click on individual shows for more info, a large number are tagged “Not available at this time.” Seems a little deceptive. If you have Prime video, are you satisfied? Is there anything I should be aware of?
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Seon-ha
June 16, 2023 at 2:38 PM
I think it might matter where you are…what country are you in, if you don’t mind the question? Beanies can be of better help that way.
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thimble
June 16, 2023 at 8:00 PM
I’m in the US.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 16, 2023 at 2:49 PM
In the US, I don't think there are too many unique content for new dramas. I do see a lot of overlap with Viki for older dramas. But recently TOTNT1938 was on Prime and so was True to Love, so it was easy for me to watch with prime subscription. A while back Island was on Prime. Recently some content moved to Prime, like Reply 1997 from Netflix.
Most of my content watching is from Netflix, Viki and Iqiyi (dramas). Only this year I went to Prime to see two dramas.
So I guess you don't need to unless a drama you want to watch is airing on Prime.
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Britney
June 16, 2023 at 2:50 PM
I watched May I Help You on Prime and I think a time or two (that I remember) the timing was off with the subtitles. That's the only show I watched so far cause Prime isn't my go to for dramas so I don't think about it.
Sometimes it will say something is available but then it's not and I assumed it used to be then lost the license or something.
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Elinor is trapped in the timeslip
June 16, 2023 at 3:18 PM
If you're in the US - I think it's not worth subscribing just for dramas. We already have Prime for other reasons (I agree with all of your reservations but can't talk my husband out of it) so I've watched a few dramas on it. The selection only seems huge, as you say; their search function is terrible (you often have to enter the *exact* title they use, right down to punctuation and capitalization) and I find their playback interface on my TV maddeningly fumbly. I've even sometimes resorted to darkside sites for things that are on Prime because the mechanics of watching are easier.
TL;DR: Don't.
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thimble
June 17, 2023 at 9:58 AM
Thanks, good info.
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wheguhreh
June 16, 2023 at 5:00 PM
I'm not keen on Amazon anything, so I can't recommend it but I do recommend Kocowa. It's been adding new and old Kdramas at a pretty decent rate recently, and since it's the US-based entity owned by the 3 main Korean networks, I figured it's the best source for shows released to the US market. Plus the subscription rate is great. I also like OnDemandKorea.com, but their English-subbed Kdrama selection is smaller than it used to be despite their vast non-subbed selection. Neither have much beyond Korean content, though, so not ideal if you also want C or J Dramas. Asiancrush.com has other Asian shows and movies, but their selection doesn't have much in terms of new Korean content. Kdramahood.com is another I use every so often when I can't find a show on either service and it's free, but a bit on the dl in terms of legitimacy. I keep hoping that the actual Korean networks that air these shows will provide English-subbed versions directly on their websites and charge for it. I realize the various global business issues that prevent it, but it'd be so much easier and worth it for them since there's a paying audience.
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thimble
June 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM
Thanks for your rec of Kocowa. This looks like a good bet for catching up on older shows.
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Kathryn51
June 16, 2023 at 7:08 PM
We have had Prime since the beginning, so any video/drama is a plus, not a feature.
Very, very few dramas (Bora!Debora/True to Love) is the only recent plus for me. I would never purchase Prime solely to get streaming video.
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Linarrick
June 16, 2023 at 9:03 PM
I’m in Australia so probably can’t help you but yeah I’m with everyone, getting Prime for kdramas seems pointless. That said, if there are a few dramas in a streaming service I want to see, I sign up for a couple of months. It’s easier paying $10 or so than potentially getting some foul virus, sadly I’ve had many a computer die on me in the past. I also use a VPN to access kdramas that aren’t available in my region, but frustratingly my VPN doesn’t work on Prime
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Babylilo
June 18, 2023 at 5:11 PM
I try my best to avoid doing business with the Evil Empire, though it becomes more and more difficult as the behemoth continues to swallow up businesses. I deleted my account years ago. Don’t buy from Audible, Whole Foods, Zappos, etc.
Prime Video seems like a racket to me. About 90% of the things I’d want to watch would require an additional subscription to one service or another on top of the Prime fee. Better to subscribe to the services directly and cut out the middleman.
There are currently 4 Kdramas on my watchlist that I can find only on Prime at the moment. I have plenty of other stuff to watch, so I’m taking a wait-and-see approach in the hopes I’ll eventually be able to watch them elsewhere.
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Elinor is trapped in the timeslip
June 21, 2023 at 1:26 PM
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Elinor is trapped in the timeslip
June 21, 2023 at 1:31 PM
I thought of this discussion when saw this article about Amazon duping purchasers into paying for Prime subscriptions without realizing it. 🤬
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11 Britney
June 16, 2023 at 5:55 PM
Song Joong Ki made a comment about married actors with kids can sometimes have their careers adversely affected such as lack of scripts or offers (or something like that). Of course this led to pushback against that and one thing I saw someone say he was trying to frame himself as a victim in the case that his career starts stalling because he's now a father and he's remarried.
I think it's true that Korean entertainers' personal lives do affect their careers though I don't know about how much that is the case with actors like him.
If only personal lives didn't affect professional lives at all.
I wonder has that always been a thing with people? My sociology curiousity is piqued haha
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12 Britney
June 16, 2023 at 6:23 PM
I've said this before and I'll say it again in the future most likely but I never understand why people judge, criticize, fault actors for "picking bad scripts". How can they possibly know a script is bad? Like if you read a comedic script and it makes you laugh, you would think it's a funny script but then when the show comes out, critics and viewers may say it was corny or boring or cringey. Same with any other type of script; the premise seems appealing and they think they can do a good job and then it goes out to the masses and flops. And then you have your good shows that flop for whatever reasons such as competition with other shows in the same timeslot, unavailable for wider audiences, needed to find its groove. This is why I try not to be too critical about projects because I appreciate how hard it must be to do what they do. (Plus I don't think I think too critically or at least I can't express myself haha)
Like Kokku; would that be an example of a bad script or bad execution or both? The premise certainly seemed interesting and I think the actor(s) probably saw it as a challenge since they played like 2 or 3 versions of a character. I think there were some funny moments in it. Who could've known with the first, let's say 4, script(s) that the show would end up the way it did?
Or the other side, who could've expected Extraordinary Attorney Woo or Reborn Rich or Squid Game would be as successful as they were? Hmmm, maybe it was in the script from the beginning haha
I think it's a magic that goes into successful projects. Lots of different parts have to mesh and yet someone is always "at fault" when it's not a success.
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mindy
June 16, 2023 at 6:30 PM
Not to mention actors can’t control which scripts they are offered, or which scripts their management lets them know about.
Also, even if they do get a good script, they may not feel the role they are offered is a good fit for them or have other issues with it.
I’m sure there are many times where an actor isn’t really feeling their recent script offers but well, they have a career to keep alive and money to make and they have to pick SOMETHING, and sometimes that something ends up being not very good.
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Britney
June 16, 2023 at 7:34 PM
I saw a video that mentioned an actress made a mistake turning down a role in a drama that ended up becoming a big success while the one she did flopped (or didn't do as well as expected) and it made me once again go, how could she have known?! And just because the drama was successful with another actress doesn't mean it would've been the same result with her.
An Amercian example is Will Smith turned down The Matrix (I don't remember if he turned it down for Wild Wild West) but because of that, Keanu did it and the rest is history. That movie definitely would not have been the same if Will had played the role instead of Keanu.
I've seen people say Lee Jong Suk (I think that's his name. The guy from W: two worlds & Big Mouth) always picks good scripts and maybe that's the case but I think he's also really lucky to get the option AND he's really popular so people tune in even if the script isn't all that great. Like objective, Big Mouth is a fairly nonsensical show (and I might be biased) with a female lead who isn't that good of a actress and yet it was highly successful and didn't he or they win awards?
I think it had some good, entertaining moments but I was thinking of the overall result.
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merry
June 16, 2023 at 9:28 PM
In the c-drama You are my Glory, the FL (a top actress) mentioned something in relation to this question. She asked her manager not to consider dramas or shows that feature being high school and even early 20s, as she was in her late 30s then. She was also shown to select shows based on the director (like someone she hasn't worked with, but is highly acclaimed). So, I think they do have a choice, and parameters include not just the script but the director or perhaps even the team behind the production. Recently watched Radio Romance (RR; unfinished) and saw the same faces as the 2125 drama. Not sure if it is the same director, but RR was like blocks of scenes, with dialogues spoken between two actors, move out and another scene takes over. I have limited knowledge on theatre of filming, but i can get a feel of what's good show and what not. Do you remember which shows you watched and an actor or actress came to mind that would have played the scene differently? I just can't recall which ones, but the thought sometimes come when I'm watching kdramas.
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Gikata
June 17, 2023 at 12:40 AM
Well, some projects SCREAM disaster from the Day1, let's admit the ugly truth))) I rarely blame actors though, there are just too many factors that make a show successful or opposite of that. I'd say always picking right scripts is a talent too, just like being lucky in general. Certain actors have it, certain don't - to a sometimes ridiculous degree, most are somewhere in between. It leaves fans frustrated and haters happy that they have another bone to chew onto, but that's how it is. Most of my faves are an unpredictable mess in that regard, so I know the pain)))
KKOKDU was good as a concept but most likely already bad during the script phase. You CAN say that if you look closely at the writing, trust me. Subplots, dialogues, characterization - everything was tragic. Clunky execution only hammered it into the grave deeper. EAW, RR and SG had VERY interesting concepts and okay scripts, but what elevated them to hit status was mostly acting/directing/visuals/combo of all the above. To put it shortly, when other factors are good, weak script can be salvaged, but it's not guaranteed. But when there are other clearly weak links... good luck then^^
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mmmmm
June 18, 2023 at 8:05 AM
I often say also that picking good scripts is a talent; it's just like being lucky is a talent. One example I think of is Kim Jong-min. If you don't watch K variety shows, you might not know who he is. But because of his personality and everything, he is so much loved because he is sooo funny that everyone around him started saying he was gifted by the variety show god.
Talking about good scripts, the names that come to mind are Kim Nam-gil, Nam Goong-min, Im Si-wan, Kang Ha-neul, Ha Ji-won, Lee Sung-kyung, Ahn Hyo-seop, Han Suk-kyu, Kim Min-jae, Ha Ji-won. I feel that some things that are shared among these actors are 1) they are talented in acting; they can shine in any roles given to them; and 2) because they shine in the roles given to them (in other words, they make the show work), they have more opportunities to choose projects and they don't limit themselves in certain roles.
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mmmmm
June 18, 2023 at 8:07 AM
*by the variety show god. And every project he is in he makes it funny regardless of how boring the show is (case in point: the current 2 Days 1 Night).
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Britney
June 20, 2023 at 12:55 PM
I do know who Kim Jong Min is haha
I've never watched anything *because* of him and the people I did watch for kinda overshadowed him (if that's the right word) Haha
I watched S1 of 1n2d (there was Kang Ho Dong & Lee Seung Gi. Plus Jong Min was a bit awkward post his enlistment. He had said he lost his variety sense. People were even demanding he leave the show but he certainly got the last laugh considering he's the longest lasting and I think he's won awards for it)
I watched Busted which had Yu Jae Seok, Lee Kwang Soo, & Lee Seung Gi haha. Though Jae Seok did say Jong Min & Kwang Soo were responsible for the "funny" on the show haha.
Jong Min seems to have this slow & steady kinda vibe. He's not as showy as others but he's always smiling which makes him endearing. Even when he insults/teases someone (or being insulted/teased), he's laughing & smiling which is disarming so you can't be mad at him.
Is Jong Min the lead of the current 1n2d? Does it even have a leader anymore?