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Mr. Queen: Episodes 13-14 Open Thread

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction — so it is in physics as it is in the royal court. From the mayhem at the festival, to the powerful ledger and who holds it, to our hero remembering more and more about the queen’s life: every action has its consequence.

 
EPISODES 13-14 WEECAP

Court politics are kicked up a notch after the disasters at the festival showed how ruthless our warring clans truly are. Bong-hwan is desperate for two things: to stay alive, and to keep his sexual identity intact. But both are proving more difficult than he could imagine.

As Bong-hwan continues to lose himself in So-yong, it becomes clear that he has to be as strategic and calculating as the rest if he wants to survive. Another dive into the lake, and Bong-hwan becomes even more So-yong: we get a very clear picture of the torment So-yong was under when she tried to kill herself. “There’s nothing that’s not a lie,” she weeps — and our “second gen” So-yong realizes gravely: this entire place killed Kim So-yong.

Armed with all of So-yong’s memories, our second gen So-yong remembers everything from Byung-in’s kiss and confession, to the initial coldness from Cheoljong, to all of the horrors and backstabbing and lies that sent her into the lake to commit suicide.

But even if Bong-hwan is about 75% So-yong at this point, he’s still struggling between the tug of two very different poles: his desire to stay a man and live it up with Hong-yeon and the concubines, and his/So-yong’s desire to be a woman to Cheoljong.

This tension reaches its highest peak this week, in a weird sequence where a sleeping So-yong rouses and thinks Hong-yeon has arrived to sleep with her… but we later see it’s actually Cheoljong that’s there, and they do indeed sleep together (no question about it this time lol).

This tension and talk about sex and sexual identities is pretty frank — but I admit I’m still confused about what the show actually wants to do with it. Are we just going to lose Bong-hwan in So-yong’s female identity forever? Is Bong-hwan going to continue to fight it and walk this line, confusing him deeply, between his concubine-focused sexual urges and his new Cheoljong-focused ones?

Because although the court story is moving forward, we seem to have all but abandoned the story of the real Bong-hwan. This is fine, I’d just like to know if this story is supposed to be about Bong-hwan relinquishing his entire identity to So-yong, or if he’s holding on to the shreds of his maleness for a reason (i.e., return to his body at the end). If the intentions were a little more clear, maybe I could enjoy this flip-flopping a little more?

The sexual politics are one side of the story this week, and the court politics are another. After the explosion that nearly took Cheoljong’s life, we see him practically mummified in bandages while the court physician et al try to decide how to help him. Cheoljong appears (pretends) to have lost his hearing entirely, and thus at this sickbed, hears a lot of things he shouldn’t — namely, that So-yong tells him she will willingly betray him in order to stay alive.

Cheoljong makes a quick recovery, and wakes up a new man. His true identity has already been mostly revealed during his illustrious fight with Byung-in at the festival, and now he goes full-on. It’s so, so fun to see Cheoljong suddenly act like a king; every time he does, I have a new-found appreciation for Kim Jung-hyun and how much fire and intensity he can plug into a character who’s usually pretty dull (purposefully). This court needs a king who can be a righteous leader, so I’m anxious to see how Cheoljong fills this role now that he’s declared an end (finally!) to the regency reign of the grand queen dowager. Buh bye!

The court is full of so many alliances, fake alliances, subterfuge, deceit, and back-stabbing, that it’s almost overwhelming — who’s really a good guy? Who can we ever trust? Even though these questions continue to be floated as our story unfolds, I think this week we can truly say that Cheoljong is a full-blown hero now.

We’ve seen what he’s willing to risk, we’ve seen the men that are devoted to him, we’ve seen him stand his ground, and we’ve seen him confront the truth. And now that he’s fallen in love with So-yong, we can be confident that he’s going to protect her — and she needs protecting!

The grand queen dowager and Kim Jwa-geun have it out for the queen, and plan an elaborate (and very clandestine) way to poison her. Thanks to the smarts of our little kitchen friend DAM HYANG (Kang Chae-won), the queen’s life is saved — but the little girl meets great peril. I have loved the dynamic between So-yong and Dam Hyang over the past few weeks, so their scenes this week were some of my favorites.

Other important shifts and reveals are occurring in the court, too. Byung-in seems to be sinking into baddie mode, and has it out for the king. He’s also unwilling to listen to So-yong and save Dam Hyang; his stony gaze and bad behavior makes me wonder if he really is going to become our story’s villain (please say no?).

Finally, we learn about yet another double agent — the blind handmaid that seemed to be the grand queen dowager’s puppet is actually secretly serving the king. We see her leave secret messages for his guards, and together they work to save the queen.

I’m loving the intrigue-heavy turn we’re taking at this point in the story, but admittedly, I can’t let go of the logic around the wider story. The return to the real Bong-hwan a few episodes ago really threw me for a loop, and made me think we were going to linger on the tension between the two worlds. I’m waiting for that to happen, but was it just a red herring? If our hero is in the court to stay, that’s fine, I just need to know so I can let go and fully support his new identity.

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That ending scene was absolutely insane....where! is! this! going!

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I knew that Cheoljong will save Dam Yang and I can't wait to see next episodes. And I agree with you, I don't know to ship which one, Bong Hwan in his true body or in So Young.

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You kind of have to let go of the idea of “maleness” or “femaleness”. Bong Hwan used to be in a male body, and the most common mapping for a male body (nature/nurture aside) is heterosexual attraction to female bodies. But Bong Hwan is interesting in that he was a total hedonist, into women not really for their personalities (or names) but for the hormone rush. So now he’s in the Queen’s body, he’s got a whole thing where his brain is pursuing it’s usual track but all his body’s hormones are doing a slow burn for the King.

So it kind of doesn’t matter that Bong Hwan’s brain is male and body is female. What matters is how this new blended person goes forward, and hopefully not in an utterly boring gay-panic way.

I suspect this will end with everyone back in their places, with the Queen having been an observer through Bong Hwan’s tenure (which she needs, honestly - someone she can watch push limits in her exact situation) and Bong Hwan will have learned enough about palace intrigue to get his spot back at the Blue House, or possibly open up a traditional restaurant of his own.

But I’m really glad that Bong Hwan isn’t so hung up on his own “maleness” that he’s going massively overboard. Is he avoiding the King? Yes! But more in a flailing “walk of shame” way than some deep tormented gender-identity-related violation.

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Ah!! Couldn't agree more with all of this!!!

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Awesome analysis!

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Confused... that's what the theme is for these eps. Haha! Queen is confused if he now has a different sexual preference, and confused about what to do with Cheoljeong: help or betray. Because he still didn't have a reason why he helped him with the banquet, right? I LOL about his frustration with hormones. I don't think it's hormones though, it's the liquor. This should be a PSA about drunkenness and its effects. Hahaha!

At least the misunderstanding with the letters was resolved. How funny was it when Cheoljeong said back his words to him? And how he kinda swooned when Cheoljeong hugged him and said that 'no touching' is now forbidden, that he cannot be disallowed.

Sad about the little girl but it looks like because of that, they're gonna be teaming up. Cheoljeong remembered the fingers crossed! And will they really have "ramyun" in the next episode???

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All the confusion leading to the hide and seek across the palace is hilarious! Have no idea where show is going with the sexual confusion, but maybe can blame it on Cheoljong being awesomely swoony in King mode >< Love him so much for throwing So-bong's words back, means he actually keeps in mind her every word, aww... Have all the faith in the world that he faked little Dam Hyang's death!

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Oohh I never thought Dam Yang might be alive! Though she WAS closing her eyes a little too hard, but I just thought that was the child actress! Okay then! ^^ So that's what Cheoljeong was lying about!

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Crossing my fingers as well ><

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Convinced of this too! DY was breathing - yep, at first I assumed it was child actor issues, but when Cheoljeong crossed his fingers, concluded it was another dashing plan. We were meant to see the fakeness in her death.

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Yes I have faith in our Cheoljong in faking Dam Hyang’s death but to be doubly sure, I’m crossing my fingers too 🤞🏼🤞🏼

I truly enjoyed Ep14 - I was laughing so hard from her antics. But I also felt her pain when she discovered Dam Hyang had “died” saving her and her rant immediately after.

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As thoroughly entertained as I was by this week's episodes, I just have one major gripe -

I really wish SoBong and Cheoljong had slept together under different (i.e fully cognizant) circumstances. I was disappointed with the route the show took.

I've seen counter-points that SB noticed HY's face turn into CJ's right before they kissed, that SB would've remembered the whole night (including the *ahem* penetrative bits) for them to acknowledge how much they liked the "new" experience, etc.

But STILL, the whole thing comes off as iffy to me, to say the least.

Writers, could we not have included 10 seconds of footage to make it explicitly clear that SB was aware they were having sex with the king? I'm sure the morning-after hijinks would have been just as funny!

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With you on this one. It really doesn't feel ok.

I think they missed an opportunity for BH to reflect on his feelings and for us to see how he is developing as a character. What we got was instant disgust followed by later admitting that it wasn't that bad, but then straight back to disgust and so on. I assume this was done to play for laughs, but I think it could have been more powerful with BH just going uncharacteristically quiet for a while and thinking it all through.

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Yesss! Some quiet relfection time would have been great (as funny as the hide-and-seek sequence was).

Plot arc-wise, it would have made sense too. SB's growing affection for CJ, their sincere actions to help him at the banquet, followed by immense distress when CJ was wounded, and then the emotional response and palpable relief over the news of CJ's recovery.

All this could've naturally built up to SB (consensually) giving into their physical attraction to CJ, and opened up a great opportunity for SB to pause and reflect on their feelings.

And the final affirmation? When CJ crosses his fingers behind his back (a moment I personally swooned over)!

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I'm ok with it though, the hijinks were based on Bong Hwan's horrified disbelief so I don't think the hijinks would have had the same effect of having him confront head on what had just happened and his feelings associated with it. It's like being thrown in the water and forcing yourself to learn how to swim to stay alive. Plus Bong Hwan was drunk, same as the Chinese version, I heard. Any ounce of clarity would have been chucked to the side in favor of your preferred fantasy. Buuuutttt... I do understand what you mean, I guess I am more tolerant of the writer's chosen direction and a lot of things.

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Yeah, So-Bong remembers the whole night (based on the comments (s)he made during the episode lol), just not who it was with, apparently.
And I agree, it felt iffy; I really did not think the show would go that way, I was not really comfortable with that in the beginning, but I accepted it more while watching the episode and seeing SB's reaction.

Right now I'm still going back and forth with myself, I can't decide whether I think them sleeping together in such circumstances is fine or not! ahaha!
It's just that the premise of the show is so unrealistic that I'm wondering how much we should expect it to go by realistic standards?
(I mean, how could SB not realize at any point during the night it was CJ all along?!?)

I just know that I love SHS and KJH and they're doing an amazing job, both separately and together, and they could sell me anything at this point!

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"I mean, how could SB not realize at any point during the night it was CJ all along?!?"

That's a good point - there are some glaring physical differences between HY and CJ, even aside from their faces!

SHS and KJH are *chef's kiss*. They have such solid chemistry, and make a great comic pair!

Basically, I can't wait to see a scene where SB wakes up next to CJ and isn't horrified/embarrassed lol

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I know right, about the differences!! xD

And yes to that last part!! Can't wait either!! ^^

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I feel as confused as So-Bong is about them sleeping together. I can’t believe that SB slept with CJ without knowing it was CJ, since the mechanics and logistics of the act as shown won’t work without some knowledge of what’s going on. The only explanation I can come up with is that at various points Bong of SB is dominant and aware and thinks he’s sleeping with HY and at other points So if SB is dominant and aware and sees she’s sleeping with CJ. On the whole very confusing!

I watched the episodes twice and felt that the rest of the episode kind of plays with this ongoing conflict with SB wondering if all of this is because of hormones or feelings. I do wish they had spent more time on SB’s confusion and how the two souls are in sync and still in conflict.

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I get what you are saying, but SoBong would not have slept with Cheoljong intentionally. He/she would have rebelled or run away. The scenario only works with SoBong not being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Because SoBong does not like Cheoljong, although, I do thinks he/she does admire and respect him.

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I disagree, I think Bongwhan respects him and feels tender towards him, Soyong is properly in love with him (or the idea of him) and the two of them as SoBong is starting to fall for him- just as Cheoljong is starting to fall for the queen as SoBong. If anything the drama is showing us that their souls are coming together (but they’re still in conflict)- Bongwhan’s personality and experiences of the future with Soyong’s emotions, romantic feelings, and urges. Bongwhan is still the dominant conscious voice, which is why he can’t still fully coming to terms still wanting to bang the concubines whilst also falling for Cheoljong slowly. That’s why SoBong says “we can never be. Kim Soyong is dead”, not because it’s just Bongwhan in there, but the two of them have become a new person, and SoBong thinks that Cheoljong is in love with Soyong from before, when it’s pretty clear that whilst in different circumstances he may have fell for Soyong he’s falling for her in this particular instance as SoBong.

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I am much, much more persuaded that Bong Hwan is the type who might throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Like the kissing session where the Queen looked like she had a moment of consideration, then WENT for it - I don’t think that was the Queen suddenly overpowering Bong Hwan, I think that was Bong Hwan experiencing a very good sensation and making a split second decision to make the most of it. He did pull back later, but he’s a hedonist. He’s going to pursue a feeling that feels good.

So I honestly can totally see a scenario where Bong Hwan, having supported the King and liking him as a person and full of hormonal passion, makes the choice to just go for it if the situation arises and the King is in seduction mode. Because they like each other, they’re on the same team politically, they have amazing chemistry and all the kissing (and more) is something they both actually like. Bong Hwan seems like the type to work with what he’s got, and right now he’s got a female body and a willing romantic partner.

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BINGO!.... That is exactly what was going through my mind! Infact, right after she recalls 'Hong Yeon's face disappeared last night' and 'morphed into Cheoljong's face'... Bong-Hwan had a split-moment of contemplation, decided to say 'ah, screw it'... and proceeded to undress Cheoljong. The liquor definitely helped ease his inhibitions and he just went ahead, because like you said, he's a hedonist! ^^

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Yeah, didn't like that they had SoBong and Cheoljong sleeping together while SB was drunk. The original Cdrama also had similar situation but at least here it was excuted better. SB seems to remember parts of it and accepts that he actually enjoyed it. Sill don't like that the morning-after scene was turned into a joke.

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So-yong's suicide is so sad T_T She really was too naive and realized only on the night before her wedding that her lifelong dream to be the queen is in fact a nightmare. Can't believe how cruel Kim Jwa-gun and Grand Dowager on someone who's a part of their clan. Love how Bong-hwan felt so angry on So-yong's behalf, he went on a rampage to So-yong's dad and Byung-in after he got her memory. And both chose to go to Grand Queen Dowager's side, uh. Always pegged Byung-in as righteous, how in the world is it so easy for him to renounce his father? After knowing So-yong actually told him to stay away from her after their kiss and he pretty much ignored her, kinda lost any hope for decent second leads...

Kudos for all those saying Cheoljong's behind the explosion! Didn't buy the suicidal theory, but if it's for an all-in move to checkmate both Kim Jwa-gun + Grand Queen Dowager, I'd totally take my hat off for him. So glad he didn't include Hwa-jin in his Phoenix project, it seems these two aren't as close an ally as show made them be in the beginning. And guess have to give to Hyung that his loyalty is first and foremost still with Cheoljong and not Hwa-jin.

So, wonder when So-bong will realize that Cheoljong basically fell for "Jang So-yong", not Kim So-yong >< Am feeling like Court Lady Choi with her smug face all the way through this week's episode, can't wait for the next one!

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I LOVED Bonghwan's ire on behalf of Soyoung! Shin Hyesun really shone in the confrontation with SY's father.

I never found Byung-In to be the most engaging of characters, but I had high hopes for him to become allies with the King and Queen. But his "the Queen telling me to stop is giving me an even bigger reason to not stop" shtick is... tiring.

I keep thinking of Court Lady Choi's expression at Cheoljong's "Roar!" and hand gestures... it makes me cackle without fail! She's such an endearing character <3

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Omg, yes at Court Lady Choi's riveted attention at Cheoljong's gestures on the "tigress", am cackling again just remembering that!
She's such a cutie, will be rooting for her ship!

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Particularly that she finished the scene with an tongue-firmly-in-cheek, "I wonder what it's about?" in response to his statement that he has a lot to talk to the queen about. I laughed so hard!!

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Byungin becoming an ally with the King was never gonna happen even for the sake of the Queen. He is not the type that can separate his feelings from what needs to be done. The guy was shocked to find SB and CJ kissing as if the Queen's main purpose is not to produce an heir. What was he expecting when she got married to the King?

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That's a good point about BI unable to separate his feelings. I hope that the attempt on SB's life marks a change in his character, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it ends up fueling his paranoia and obsession, and we see him go full villain.

As for his expression upon finding them kissing - to me it reads more like devastation than shock. Knowing your crush will produce an heir is one thing, walking in on your crush making out with her husband is another :P

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im just cant with Hwajin's bullshit (seriously at this point im an anti-fan) being dumb is a crime in jeseon period. she is just a puppet for the queen dowager.
if you don't capable helping King's career, could you at least shut up? its Soyong who keep protecting and helping The King but she WISH its her who stay by the King's side? what a joke.

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An anti fan is still a good thing in cheoljeong’s dictionary. That girl is so crazy, just 10 secs appearance is enough to make me mad 😡

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im a hater to be exact. the way she makes my blood boils whenever she appears in my screen 😡

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Especially when she showed up in the end to just make a pointed comment to So-Bong about losing someone. 🙄😡

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Dumb is correct. I cannot figure out what she thought to gain with her maneuvers that out weighed the cost to the King. Stupid beyond belief.

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This whole comment but with BOTH Hwajin and Byungin. I can't seem to see Byung in in any swoony way like at all. He's just a fullblown bitter boy who forced his feelings and turns to the darkest side when he got rejected. We been knew what he cared about isn't Soyong, but his feelings for Soyong

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i cant stand Byungin too, he is too obsessed with Soyong at this point. i never see him as swoony even in the first half of drama. its so refreshing that Soyong ask him to not call her name. but yeah he is going to be even more annoying in the future imo

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Gosh, I wanna slap her every time I see her 😂

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Her smug taunt to SoBong, when a child was JUST executed was so self-absorbed.😡😤 Way to make everything about you Hwajin!! How can she say she wants to help King achieve his goals when she doesn't have sympathy for a little girl?

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This scene was definitely telling. The morning after the King woke up, did you see the look on his face when Hwa Jin hugged him, it was almost like he was hoping it was the Queen instead of Hwa Jin?

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Apart from the speed-breaker 7/8th ep week, each week has been a total HIT, and the writing gets only progressively better!! The writers keep impressing me, because the premise of the story can get problematic, cheap, crass & cringey *very* fast, and I'm glad they are choosing to keep things classy. My reactions for the week:

>> Okay, Mummy-Cheoljong woke up fast! -_-
>>Wow, so not everybody on Team Kim has the same motives, and neither does everybody on Team Jo. Watching some of these dumb mofos getting double-crossed will be FUN, teehee! :D
>>Royal chef feeding Court-lady Choi what seemed to be 'Joseon era' Pizza, after she downed some liquor... is a total-mood! ^^
>> Picky-Granny and evil Minister-Kim seem to be such smarty-pants, but it was fun seeing them get played by the Cult-Lady and Hwa-Jin. AND they operated separately, but got what they wanted together! Badass xD
>>Are you serious? The king is the LAST person who discovered his banquet feast was cooked and saved by the Queen? And he has *doubts* it was her, while HwaJin, Picky Granny AND evil minister KIM all got the memo earlier? Sheesh! :/ :/
>>Shin Hye Sun has such big handssss *_*
>>Omygod what, Hong Yeon is in love the Queen? :P
>>'It's not brunch without drinks!' kkkkkk Amen to that 21st century reference xD
>>So far the body count is really low for a saeguk. So, they better not take down the puppy... or the little Kitchen-girl
>>Noooooh, Kitchen girl!.. I loved your puffy cheeks, don't dieee T_T
>>Okay, that finger-cross was SO cute xD

This show has officially confirmed my sexuality. I don't care if you are a man or a woman, but if you save a little girl's life being a total B-O-S-S, I'd be simping SO hard for you, and you might even score that invitation for 'ramyeon X chill?' very soon! :P :P BongHwan-a, you're priorities are pretty straight, even though you aren't :P :D Can't wait for next week! ^^

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"you're priorities are pretty straight, even though you aren't :P" 😂😂😂 That got me bad 😂😂😂

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Ramyeon X chill🤣 I can’t

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I'm curious why So-yong was in love with the King. He clearly never showed her love because he doesn't know she was the kid who saved him. He always put her with the clan of Kims. She didn't know his secret plans, so for her, he shouldn't have looked as a good King. I would like to understand this part, because her feelings are strong and make Bong-hwan to loose his own personality.

Didn't the King accuse her to kill herself to hurt his concubine? I mean he kinda did the same to take down his enemies.

I don't think Byung-in is becoming a villain, he seems to have a strong sense of justice and I can't picture him killing a kid.

I guess Dam Hyang didn't die. The King learnt his lesson : you can't kill the weakest to gain something even if your cause is important. The Queen taught him well :)

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Your first paragraph made sense... So I guess her feeling are based more on guilt? There was scene where big baddie minister told her to watch the CJ's every move and inform on him, like when she told him that CJ was in the well years ago... If it was, that's some pretty strong guilt...

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I think she has fond memories of the king when he was a boy. I also think that he is handsome to her and he is pretty smooth. He would have also acted one way towards her in public, and another way in private. So it is possible that he was cordial, up until that night. I do think she does feel some guilt about the past, but she feels manipulated and torn by the present. But I also think So Yong really did think that everything would work out if the King loved her and she were to love him. It would have made life in the palace bearable.

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I think your analysis is spot on. SoYoung’s interest in being the Queen seems to stem from her interest in CJ and not vice versa. She asks to be left out of Queen games once KJG asks her to spy on CJ. She has lingering affection the boy she remembers and she probably developed a crush on the handsome man he became.

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Looooooved the ending. When SB blasted the king with the line that incompetence is a sin, I winced harder than Cheoljeong did. Ouch, that one was designed to wound on a very deep level! And I genuinely thought it was a step too far for him as he turned away. But then the crossed fingers!!!! These two are going to make SUCH A TEAM for the next episodes - bring it on!

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Considering that Cheoljong is known as the incompetent puppet king, her words must have wound him deeply.

Not to mention, his greatest nightmare is to be called an incompetent king.

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She definitely hit him where it hurts. But that’s what made it more powerful. It also shows they both listen to and understand each other.

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This show and its cliffhangers 😅👍

Seriously LOVE this week's episodes. From the tension on the aftermath of the explosion which ended the previous episodes with unexpected fireworks. 😆 Got to give it to our hero and his Queen.

And ep14 ending with those crossed fingers. Brilliant Cheol Jong! So excited to see our No Touch couple team up against the people who want to harm them.

I was pleasantly surprised that the blind woman is a double agent. We have always seen the Kims and Jos infiltrate our hero/heroines palaces. Now I want to know who else is their agent.

This show has not always been predictable so hopefully they will not let Byeong In venture further to the enemy territory. With the recent attempt to kill the Queen, he may be persuaded to switch sides.

I seriously think that Dam Hyang is still alive. And the King has found a way to save that poor girl.
And I can't wait to see the damage left after hurricane So Bong unleashes his/her wrath to everyone next week.

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i swear this show's cliffhangers will be the death of me

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Death of us fans!! I’m counting the days impatiently until the next episode, esply after the preview..... pali pali....

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The fact that I rewatched this again yesterday and I’m on the recap thread today speaks a lot about everyone of us😅
Tomorrow seems so faraway 😩😩

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Cheoljong and the gang must have replaced the poison with something that would knock Dam Hyang out, as if she's dead.

I don't think Cheoljong would willingly sacrifice anyone without giving a good amount of fight. In the early episodes when he raided the minister's house, he stopped to pick up and save the baby that was dropped by its mother

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True. CJ would do everything in his power to save that kid who saved his Queen. Its just counter productive to battle it out with the ministers.

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... best to use subterfuge instead.

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I liked the dynamics of the story now. I am as confused as Mr queen now regarding where my favoritism lies. As someone already commented here I dont know who I like more ..The real self of chef or the chef in Queen's body. I cheered hardly for Dam Hyang to rescue the queen and Man !! how good is her aim !!😉 The trial scenes seriously horrified me. How evil are they that they accused a five year child of serious treason and made her drink poison?? The ending gave me hope that there might be the possibility of her being alive...
Also disappointed with the bad side BI is taking. It was expected but still.....
Can't wait for Mr queen and the king to join hands and kick the baddies....

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That scene where So Bong said "They're throwing their sins on a child!". Oooff, made my heart hurt how true that statement was...

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I love this show!!! There are so many scenes that I like! Particularly with So Bong and CJ and Lady Choi (Lady Choi is amaaaaazing). I'm sure other beanies will mention those here, em gonna lurv reading them 🤭

Not so highlights though... HwaJin still being able to make it about herself when a child just "died". Kudos to the actress for continually making my blood boil, she's gooooood 👍

Byoung In was a bit spiteful after So Bong's clear rejection while still wet from a mind-clarifying dip in the lake yet again. That scene where So Bong visited Dam Hyang in the prison cell... Ugh! So cold! I'm not clear what direction his character is going but I don't mind waiting to see. He's a hottie though, love the height 😍

Personally, I'm just enjoying the show and not minding where So Bong's situation is going, either way he learned something and maybe So Young is still there and she learned something as well. I don't think Bong Hwan's losing himself, I think he's learning and understanding, he's literally in someone else's shoes and learning that way. If he's losing something, it's his a-hole selfishness. Now he's being considerately-selfish if that makes sense haha 😊. Lot's of theories out there, and I'm leaning more on Bong Hwan going back to his own timeline. That theory about him being the queen's reincarnation intrigues me as well. I'm excited to see which theories hold 😚

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Lady Choi is definitely AMAZING!!! Kudos to the actor! Her facial expression is so on point! Is it mean of me that I derived so much joy and laughter in the way So Bong “tortured” her with her un-queenly behaviour just to see the exasperated look on Lady Choi’s face? 🤣🤣

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i swear this show continues to surprise me in its ever changing tone, but it's still my favourite airing drama because of how enjoyable it is.

This dilemma is a new one in dramaland and i'm really curious to see how the creative team is going to approach it. It seems Bong Hwan is not going to leave So Yong's body anytime soon so i feel he either accepts his newfound attraction or return to his own body and I have a feeling that Bong Hwan is going to lose himself to So Yong's desires and is going to rediscover himself, because no matter how hard he tries to push himself away from Cheoljong, his actions say otherwise. Either way i can't complain because whatever choice So Bong makes, if it makes him happy then i'm in.

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I laughed at poor sexually confused So Hwan, because she is now a mixture of Bong Hwang and So Yong. Her memories and his personality make for a hell of a woMan,🤣🤣🤣. I also laughed at CJ calling her a tiger in bed, lol.

Aside from that I am glad they are teaming up and the little girl was saved. Previews for the next episode look great and I can't wait.

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That scene in the kitchen definitely let you know how the King felt about his night together with the Queen. ;)

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When the queen called herself Jang So Yong and ended up kicking the air after realizing what she just said😂
She’s as confused as us but that scene in the lake, are we meant to believe so yong’s soul is now dead under that lake or just bong hwan’s view?

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That made me question it too tbh. Is Soyong's soul stuck in the lake not wanting to return or she's already dead? I really hope its the first one because I really want to see Soyong as the Queen with her own actions and thoughts. The fusing of SoBong should have given an effect in both persons which we could already see how it has affected Bonghwan's character. I would like to see how Soyong has changed after the fusion. All in all, I find her a very interesting character and I just wish to see her more, not as SoBong haha (tho I really love SoBong too 😆)

I also believe (wishful) that Bonghwan will return to his original life as he still have his own problems to settle.

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I think when So Yong's soul sunked into the lake, it indicates that she can now rest peacefully after telling her real stories to Bong Hwan. I think this means that So Yong's soul will no longer inhibit the body, she is "truly" dead now

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That being said, only Bong Hwan's soul is left in So Yong's body, so if Bong Hwan's soul goes back to his real body, So Yong's body will be an empty vessel which result in instant "death"

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I had this theory too but if its really what the writers intended then this is truly a sad ending for Soyong and I think I need a few days to come to terms with this haha. Soyong deserved so much more. Its really sad that everyone around her failed her 😔

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With the little we’ve seen of her, I was really cheering for her to come back and win.
She deserves a lot of happiness in her life and I’m still not losing hope!

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I don't believe Soyong's soul is stuck in the lake, I think her soul has already passed on from the world. But going to the lake triggered her memories just as how being in a coma made her memories come back to surface.

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Oh no
This theory 😭😭😭

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I have so many thoughts about each episode, week after week, but I have such a hard time writing them down coherently!! xD

So, some more random thoughts:

1. Byung-in is still salvageable, imo; he might hate the King, but for now his love (or obsession ><

6. And it looks like we will finally see our duo working together!! I've been waiting all along for this moment to happen!!! xD

7. Shout out to the OST!! It's helping me go through the week of waiting for new episodes!! ^^

Only 6 episodes left, now...bring it on!! ^^

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Why does it keep eating part of my comment?!?! Ahhhh!!! 😤
Anyways, let's see if I can manage to post what's missing now! ><

3. Blind maid plot twist was the most surprising bit!!! All this time they made us think she was just there, and then boom! Surprise!! I loved it! xD

4. Dam-hyang nooooo!!!! :(((
That storyline this week for me felt a tiny bit contrived, but still pretty upsetting nonetheless!! They might not have had many scenes together overall, but I can totally believe SB would feel that strongly about the little girl, so it worked pretty well as a way for SB to realize how evil people in the palace can be, and who she should trust more and join forces with..though I would have been devastated if they actually killed the girl..so thank you CJ for saving the day!!! <

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(cont)

2. Hwa-jin is becoming more and more useless, I feel kinda bad for the actress..the weakest character by far, imo. Even Kim Hwan has a more interesting story line..

5. Yes to many No Touch couple scenes this week!!! Ahhhh!!! My favorite moments of the episodes! ^^
I explained more in another comment how I feel about that "hot night", but that aside, I was still laughing so hard throughout the episode! SHS is just amazing!! KJH is wonderful too!! I can't get enough of the 2 of them..I'll miss them so much once the drama is over!!

(So frustrating ㅠㅠㅠㅠ)

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OMG! I just noticed part of point 1 is missing!!! :(((
What did I do wrong, I have no idea! ㅠㅠ

1. Byung-in is still salvageable, imo; he might hate the King, but for now his love (or obsession) for So-yong is still pretty strong; once he'll realize his father and aunt are so eager to kill her, he won't stay quiet. And his dear father doesn't care much about him either, already preparing to bring his own son down in case he will endanger his evil plans.

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Ok, one last thing, about So-Bong and her/his identity. I think there is a reason why such a name was created in the first place, she/he is neither So-yong nor Bong-hwan, but a mix of the two...if BH was dropped into that Joseon world as himself, it would have been unlikely for him to fall for CJ (..I mean, everything is possible lol), but that's not how it happend. Even if So-yong's soul is lost forever (maybe..??), her body, memories and past feelings seem to be influencing BH, the show wants us to think that, at least. Keeping this in mind, I think SB and CJ could make a believable couple, I don't need SY to be back to accept the pair.
(Btw, this is not because he's a man, but Bong-hwan is presented to us as this 21st century womanizer, it'd be kinda weird if he fell for the first man he met after setting foot in Joseon xD)

Having said that, I think BH in 2021 deserves closure too, and I'm assuming they won't just drop that storyline altogether. This is why I'm starting to feel quite uneasy about how the show will wrap up: will the writers be able to pull this off in a satisfactory way??
I'm scared that the finale might ruin the show for me, if not done well. I'm not set on a specific scenario, I'm open to different possibilities, but I'd love for both timelines to have a good ending!

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It is probably because I just read the weecap for the first week that I did not really pay attention to the first episodes so I do not have a strong attachment to Bonghwan getting back to his previous life. I would feel more disappointed if the Joseon era storyline were left unresolved. After all he was in a vegetative state when we returned home.

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That is mostly true for me too..I just feel like it won't be right to leave poor Bong-hwan like that 😅
But yeah, Joseon storyline has priority!

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Your interpretation makes the most sense out of whatever is going on! :P fingers crossed for the finale though, because k-dramas are known for anti-climactic endings :/

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I feel the same way. When SoBong said “Kim Soyong is dead” she is, but so is Bongwhan. He may be the dominant voice in their partnership but they slowly seem to melding into one (new) person, which I assumed that was where they were going when SoBong woke up and it was Soyong’s voice, not Bongwhan’s, in their internal monologue. I don’t think it’s because Soyong is completely gone but they’re essentially combining souls or whatever. The person known as SoBong has Bongwhan’s personality and knowledge combined with Soyong’s emotions/attachments/moral compass.

I actually like that the queen is having a quandary over what their sexual identity is now- and I hope they resolve that by showing the two can coexist by having them still interested in women whilst also being in love with Cheoljong (which tbh I assume where they’re going). I’m vaguely aware of the history so I know the IRL couple were doomed but I hope the drama concludes with them being a happy swinging couple in the company of their fave three concubines, lmfao.

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ahaha! not a bad outcome that one you mentioned at the end! xD

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I’ll support this outcome. It doesn’t completely erase BongHwan and I like that.
I also wish that SoYoung will be in the 21st century and we have a modern day Hwan-Young who manages to take revenge on Director Han. That could be season 2. I’d watch that too.

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He can meet Cheoljong's soul in 21st century too, reincarnated into a female ><

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So-bong admitting "it was better than before" made me think she will either stay in Joseon and accept being a female or going back to the future and accept being a bi. Really wishing Bong-hwan to return because can't let the murdering Han get away from his crime! But if she stays in Joseon (and maybe castrate Han Shim-ong somehow ><) maybe the future will be rewritten anyway..? So many ways this can go, am also crossing fingers for a satisfying ending!

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I just don't want CJ to be left alone!! So, either we get the real (maybe a bit "upgraded"?) So-yong back, or So-Bong better stay put there in Joseon! xD

But also BH deserve more closure, I guess rewriting the future could be an option too!! It's kind of a messy deal, but they could make it work...

Ah! Really crossing all my fingers here!!!

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Like you, I'm also not set on a specific resolution to the SY/BH dilemma, but my fingers are crossed - I really hope the writers wrap up both timelines satisfactorily!

I read somewhere else that in the very first scene of the show, as BH is being interviewed, he mentions that he was not just the youngest but also the "first" chef of the Blue House.

This strikes me as interesting - could it be that BH does successfully come back to his body and the interview happens after?

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I too had the same question going on in my head. Was the interview before or after the time/body slip? Because it makes sense for both scenarios imo. He did ask the lady to keep him anonymous didn't he? Like if its pre-slip, I feel like BH wouldn't be this cautious? He does seem pretty reckless.

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I read that theory too!! kinda mind-blowing!!

Also, if true it'd kind of a big spoiler, so I'm not thinking too much about it!! xD

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I haven't laughed this hard in a while. So, our big moment of passion...putting 2 and 2 together, Bong Hwan wasn't passive but rather enthusiastic participant in the activities. He admitted he even found it better, this sex. That's why she was hiding. Also, Choljeong, dear boy, really was thirsting for her/him hard. Boy, went in to gather intel and ended up spending a night of passion having completely forgotten about it. This is the secobd time he completely got carried away around his Queen. I can't wait for next week. They are going to have Ramyun. Having said that, I am gonna add some rather sad and alarming news. China is banning all BL content from broadcast and print. Homophobia is rampant and I believe this marks clearly where LGBTQ rights are and are headed in there. We would not get this show without the source material.

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No, the BL ban isn't straight up homophobia... it has to do with the surrogacy-scandal of this famous c-drama actress that blew up, and since LGBTQ+ community is more likely to use surrogacy to have kids (it's illegal in their country for HR abuse)...
So, as a fallout BL dramas got banned, because 'BL promotes homosexuality, and homesexuals promote surrogacy, and surrogacy is illegal'...
Twisted logic, and absolutely unnecessary, but it is, sadly, what it is...
(yep, it's still very homophobic) T_T

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I did not go into details in my post but what they did was use a straight asshole, vile, cruel ladies scumbag behavior and use it too target LGBTQ community by some tangential logic...yes like you've pointed out by the end, it is indeed homophobic.

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"If the intentions were a little more clear, maybe I could enjoy this flip-flopping a little more?"

Then it would be predictable, wouldn't it? Better keep it all ambiguous to keep us all guessing what bong hwan will choose in the end.

I think the last episode simply establishes that Bong hwan is now a bisexual. S/He slept with the king thinking it was Hong yeon (but how can you not realize that you're having sex with a man and not a woman? .. the bits are entirely different.. Lol) and then later admits that s/he enjoyed doing it with the king.

Also, it was a wrong move for bong hwan to push byung in away. Rather than being cold to him, the best choice would be to bring him into the fold, rally him to the king's cause. Or at least keep him under her/his thumbs.

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Just when I thought I knew where stuff might be going when I watched the 13th episode (I thought they would kill Bonghwan in Soyong's body in order to get Soyong back to her own body, by making Lord Kim does his murder spree) but nope, it didn't go there and I honestly literally has no Idea where this is going (for the 5th time maybe, this drama huh). Although, being used to a kdrama, I'm not entirely sure this time if I like not knowing the direction this drama is going because we only has 2 episodes left and usually with kdrama the half of 16th episode (or sometimes the whole) is usually just sort of an epilogue kind of way where it tells the story of everybody aftermath. Unless...... they wanted to gamble that ending in the hope for a 2nd season (PLEASE NO. NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH A 2ND SEASON BECAUSE THEY GOT HUNG UP ON THE FIRST) which was what the trend I'm seeing in Kdrama lately *sigh*

Dear Kdrama, I watched you mostly because you can get me into a whole new world but at the same time give me the satisfaction of a story in 16 episodes, please don't make multiseason your format now.......

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Still 6 episodes left, it's a 20 episodes drama!! ^^

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WAIT WHAT HOW DID I JUST KNOW THIS???

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Ahaha!! You're not alone! I still see a lot of confused people around!! ^^

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what site can I watch this on? does Netflix have it?

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It's on Viki ;)
And also Viu, I believe, but I'm not familiar with that platform since it's not available in my country, so I'm not sure about that.

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not available for estonia on viki

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uh...sorry about that!
only non official option available, in that case :(

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other site... d****cool dot so

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You can try K***asian

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It looks like I'm late for the part already.
I love this show!
I'm working on Japanese subs on this drama on Viki, so I can get to see the Korean script. It's well written and especially So-Bong's lines are so funny and so real, absolutely great.
I really wonder... what is the point of having Kim Hwan?
I was hoping he would do something like the "OMG! now we understand why he was in the drama!" type thing but it's already Ep.14...

Now TV Chosun's Love ft. Marriage and Divorce started in the same time slot (which is doing great from the 1st episode) but I hope Mr. Queen's ratings will continue to go up.

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Poor guy, he's just comic relief for now, it seems!
Maybe he'll have one single important role in one of the last episodes xD

Also, even though I'm not using Japanese subs specifically, THANK YOU for your work!!! All the love for subbers, our saviors!!! ^^

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I wondered if Kim Hwan is Director Hong’s love interest. There seemed to be some spark between them. Then Kim Hwan, Director Hong, and Hong Yeon will be in a...love circle? 🤣

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I think they're keeping us wondering on purpose tbh!! xD
A love circle indeed! ahaha!

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This is such an enjoyable show! The writers were able to infuse a very fluffy and cheesy idea with heartfelt humor and suitable gravitas.
Apart from the many attractions of this drama, let's celebrate its excellence as a cooking show. After seeing too much tripe in 2020 (if you know what I mean), I greatly appreciate the delicate franco-korean fusion recipes. The mustached chef is not the only one to take notes! The fried potato literally did me in....

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Ditto! I am taking notes too and I plan to create that carrot porridge. I did not know that the secret was to mix it with another broth to enhance the flavor.

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Are you going to grind all your hopes and dreams into the porridge too?

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I’m sorry but I found this utterly funny that I couldn’t help laughing 🤣 thanks for the laugh ;-)

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my trials and delusions, too.. like a morning prayer =)

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This drama has done an excellent job at keeping up on our toes. I figured that they were going to " do it" but I am surprised that our Mr. Queen didnt have regrets or shame about it and even commented on it how they were surprised that they didn't feel bad about sleeping with CJ. My only problem with our fabulous Mr. Queen is that they need to stop sitting on the sidelines and get into the game. Mr. Queen has mostly been trying to " stay out of it" which has led to them being in more trouble. Right now the Jo's, Kim's, and 1st concubine are all gunning for the Queen so she needs to start fighting back, ASAP!
I was proud of CJ and how he believed the Queen that she didn't know about the ledger. He believed her without hesitation and that made me love him even more.

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Yes for fighting back! Can't wait to have the Queen + King teaming up.

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I was proud of CJ and how he believed the Queen that she didn't know about the ledger. He believed her without hesitation and that made me love him even more.

Thank you for pointing this out! Yes, his unequivocal trust in her made me love him more, especially since their relationship started with so much mistrust and perhaps misunderstanding.

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i'm about to be caught up to date and (ep 13 rn) but i think that the flip flopping re: gender, sex, sexuality isn't really being explained because there's nothing to explain. like losing himself in her, but she still has bits of his soul, but it's like....all the talk about releasing urself, being true to urself, yourself being the most important self reflect the arrogance of bong hwan and that absence in so young but also, i think, the ease in which the two mesh is supposed to signify something. also all the signaling about women in joseon. i suspect it just doesn't matter as much because they are who they are and maybe the whole gender thing just isn't as big of a deal. the show hasn't skirted around it which is\ interesting. instead of being confused i'm going with the flow because i think ultimately that's how we should look at it. at least the show puts the idea of yourself containing multitudes and attributing that to variations to personhood and gender. maybe if i wasn't cis i'd have a better take on this. i am just fascinated at that aspect/

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like it genuinely doesnt matter or make sense and i think that's a really great approach. like it's actually so weird that he as female presenting or w/e has this strong attraction to them (his previous life as a man who wont leave women alone not withstanding) but it's like that's also Very Gay but it's just like...all natural. idk if this makes sense.

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just want to say that i'm truly enjoying this drama with all its flaws (which really don't bother me). I've laughed & cried. & I'm going to miss it when it over. definitely will be 1 of my favorite dramas of all time.

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just want to say that i'm truly enjoying this drama with all its flaws (which really don't bother me). I've laughed & cried. & I'm going to miss it when it over. definitely will be 1 of my favorite dramas of all time. thanks for the recap.

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I keep replaying the scene in the kitchen where the king called her tigress and his frustration to find her! Btw, Can anyone help me what's the hangul for "My Queen" cheoljong calls so yong?

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It's 중전 "jungjeon" ;)

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Thanks for this 😍

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First I love gender benders and rebirths. This is drama is awesome for me. In rebirth, there is no guarantee that you will be re-born into same gender. There is chance So Young is early life for Bong Hwan soul. I have mad respect for Cheoljong for his sacrifice which shows how strong his convictions are about the important things and his willingness to make correction when his judgement is wrong. I cannot wait to see the next episodes.

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The ending scene was amazing! At first I was sooo mad at the King until I saw the crossed fingers. I can't wait to see the new episodes tonight & tomorrow!!!!!

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I love this drama so friggin much!! It’s so refreshing and I love that it’s still keeping us n our toes even in the homestretch (total of 20 eps, so only 6 more :( )

If I ever decide to update my list of fave sageuk (historical dramas: youtu.be/SbprERsC_A0 ), Mr.Queen definitely belongs on my list!

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I burst out laughing when I saw Cheoljong's crossed fingers at the end of 14. Absolutely LOVED that callback, and it shows just how alert, attentive, aware, and what a great mind Cheoljong has. I'm enjoying the character so much, which, of course, the acting has so much to do with. All praise and kudos to the actors!

I love the relationship between So-young and Dam-hyang. So-young clearly adores the girl and is so supportive and encouraging. I've loved how So-young defends Dam-hyang's right (?) to be in the kitchen. The episode when Royal Chef said girls don't belong in the kitchen? Oh, man, the look that So-young gave him was deadly! XD XD I'm SOSOSO glad to know Dam-hyang isn't dead. Wonder what it was she drank. Probably tea. *shrugs*

Court Lady Choi is a treasure and does not get paid enough. XD

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