Beanie level: Errand boy

Even though it had a nice, solid cast, overall good message, and Wookie finally looked like he cares, I gotta say If You Wish Upon Me left me feeling mostly meh, and glad that it’s over. I tend to be drawn to dramas that revolve around terminal illness, death and such (blame my inner masochist, I guess… or the fact that my second k-drama watch ever was Scent of the Woman), but in Wish everything was so heavy-handed, in your face and full of slow motion and cheesy shots, that it felt very shallow. Also, the whole gangster plot could’ve been cut out for all I care.

This is still not 100% Wookie power, but I’ll take it over Melt– over that one drama any day.

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    Did you like Scent of a woman? That got on my nerves with her whiny voice, the annoying second female lead, and the noble idiocy but I liked that she decided to live her life the way she wanted once she knew she had limited time.

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      I have a reaaaaally big soft spot for this one because, as mentioned above, it’s my second k-drama watch ever. It’s also one of the dramas I love rewatching the most. Yes, I hate the second female lead, male lead’s dad, and am not very fond of caricature co-workers. But I love the leads and their chemistry, love all the twists and turns of their relationship, loooove the second male lead, and most importantly I love its message. I always feel warm and fuzzy towards the end, so you could say it’s my comfort drama. And it made me a Lee Dong-wook fan right at the beginning of my k-drama journey, and I can’t be mad at that!

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    Thanks, I was waiting for it to end to know if it is wort my time or not.

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      I agree it was not as good as it should have been so I would pass. There were some lovely bits but not enough to make it worth watching.

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Also, just finished Marry Me, or Not?. I was so entertained by the first half, when the leads (such a good chemistry!) were actively lying to each other to make the other fall, while without noticing walking right into their own traps. So what happened later on? I’ll take a disapproving mom, but the whole last third of the drama was so damn draggy, unneccessary, and just plain stupid at times. Had to ff these last episodes unfortunately. Nevertheless, thanks to this one I got to know the pure delight that is Roy Chiu, and for that reason alone, I’ll give Marry Me, or Not? a pass. Barely.

P.S. Gotta say, I just love this “imma stab you the moment you look away” smile of his. And the genuine smile of his too. And when he’s being silly. And when he’s being swoony. And when…

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    Oh that drama was so frustrating!
    They had these clear and obvious threads to pull out in the back half and it could have been just brilliant. But for some bizarre reason they just ignored all of them for a whole lot of pointless running around and a whole lot of stupid.

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    I was wondering where you disappeared!! You finished!! 😉
    Ha ha. The last part was a drag I erased it from my memory. I selectively remembered only the good part 🙂 and that’s mostly swoony hot Roy!

    I am so glad you found Roy Chiu! 🥰😘😍

    Now you can go watch Dear Ex (movie) and see what a great actor he is.

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      the movie A Man Loves was quite a tearjerker…

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        Yea. Second half is a cry fest. It’s easier to watch if you know the story 🙂
        Roy was brilliant though.
        You probably knew- he and Tiffany Hsu got married after this movie.

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          no, i didn’t know that! i just remember reading that he used to be such a horrible boyfriend to some of his previous co-stars turned girlfriends… but i had hope he’d be a decent guy…

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            From what I knew he was just a serial dater. His relationships didn’t last. Don’t think I heard about him being horrible. Again I usually don’t read these myself and it’s all hearsay. And I don’t care for their personal lives as long as doesn’t involve crime against women.
            Hope they found love in each other and live happily 🙂
            But return to dramaland Roy!

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      Dear Ex, A Man Loves – got it 😉 I was also thinking about checking out Yong-Jiu Grocery Store since Derek Chang is in that one (and Roy of course).

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        YJ is a beautiful story and Roy is really a side character. He appears in some later episodes. Derek is cute 🙂

        Magic Moment/Magic Hour too! Need to find more love for my piggy. (

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Can’t say much more besides what a cute, cute show it was. I warmed up to the lead, Joy was so darn adorable, and Peach Boy stole my heart. Overall: pure fluff.

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How goddamn DELICIOUS is the fact that they are actively trying to play one another, but while doing so they are playing themselves and just continue to fall for each otherrrr?!!! Can you tell that I love this setup? Because I freaking LOVE ITTTTT!

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    ha ha ha! yes.. lol..
    Alice and Roy have great chemistry!

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    What service are you watching this on? I went to rewatch and it’s no longer on Netflix in New Zealand 😔

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    I love how Alice’s character is not your usual nice girl and Roy’s character is digging the hole himself.

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Beanies, you were right. Roy Chiu is an absolute riot. His deadpan, the perfect balance of wacky and cool, all those microexpressions, grimaces and exquisite comedic timing as Hao Me- Justin… I think I’m in love, and it’s only episode 1,5 😍

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    which drama

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    OMG!!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍

    Yes yes and YES!!

    Welcome to the Roy club! You are in for a great discover.

    @pickleddragon we got another one! He he.

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      I wish I could screenshot or make gifs of all his scenes, he’s just spectacular. And it’s only episode 3 😂

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        Do it! Do it! Collect them good karma points. Lol.
        I am so excited that you are loving him here!
        I might go and rewatch some scenes tonight.

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        You know I’m ashamed to admit that I gave up on this drama because I thought it was really bad (I like Office Girls better for this pairing), but now that you’re watching, I might consider watching with you. And please share as many gifs as you want! There’s never enough Roy in our lives.
        (Roy, if you’re reading this, please return to dramaland. Enough honeymooning now.)

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          We are waiting for -197 deg remember 🙂
          Don’t think we saw any news after the announcement.

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          Haha, I actually like Marry Me or Not better than Office Girls. Only did a rewatch recently. Office Girls is good but too candy-like to my taste whereas MMON is totally the other way.

          @ladykrueger, welcome to the club indeed. I’m waiting for the right mood to watch Man in Love but had watched Dear Ex numerous times. Love that movie to bits.

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            Yesss!! Dear Ex is what sold Roy to me, tbh. I had not paid much attention to his work until then. That movie is gold, and a stellar turn by Roy. It’s a shame he didn’t win international accolades for that performance, only local ones.

            Man In Love is decent, but not quite in the same league as Dear Ex. I guess, though, MIL will go down in the history books for the OTP 😉

            I think I need to change my viewing lens for MMON. I should probably try it once more 😅

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            Dear Ex is a masterpiece.. From story, to casting to acting.. it nails it..
            Man in Love is ok, but Roy is brilliant as always.
            Office girls was my first Roy drama, and I loved Roy and Alice’s chemistry there.. and liked the slow progression of romance with some great character growth… and that confession!!

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      OMO!!!!! JOIN THE CLUB!!!
      We’re Roy Crazies here. Roy brings us joy. (sorry for the cheesy joke pffft).

      But more seriously, I think he’s a world class actor who’s done some amazing roles, and I hope he gets the global recognition he deserves. We’ll have a few recommendations for you after you’re done with this, I’m sure!

      I can’t figure out Jrr’s handle, or I’d tag her here too.

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      Omgosh, thank you for the warm welcome 😍 (By the length of this thread lol) I can see that Roy has a very dedicated fans here on DB. Happy to join!

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        😂Sorry if we overwhelmed you. Will try to tone it down. It’s always exciting to add new fan club members tho! 😉

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    Roy Chiu! He is the only reason I sat through Miss Rose for as long as I did (even then I couldn’t make it to the end). He’s been great in everything I’ve seen him in.

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      That wasn’t a good drama. I didn’t finish it either.

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      I have been warned not to watch it 😂 so I’ve steered clear of this. Who knows, though, if Roy’s continued absence makes me desperate and I might pick it up one day.

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        Did you drop My Treasure?

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          Ya – we were live watching remember? I think I didn’t go beyond the early eps. I rem you liked it! That should probably take priority over Miss Rose 😂

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          ooh I forgot about Detective Chinatown, but if he’s dubbed in that, I’m less excited. Mainland dramas always make me sus.

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        I would also avoid Easy Fortune Happy Life – he’s the second lead in that and he was lovely (with terrible hair) in the bit that I saw but the hero is extremely rapey and awful.

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          I saw that show up on my Viki, but it was a “poster” drop for me. Also, way too dated. Your annotation also helps 😅

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            It is very dated 😅 but also a whole pile of yikes, I dumped it early on.

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    Dear Ex is a masterpiece especially given its theme and context – and Roy’s performance is Oscar worthy.

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      Yes. Yes. YES!!! It’s a film that deserves so much more publicity and recognition. Roy is utterly brilliant here. He shows every emotion in the book and then some. But to give the rest of the film credit, it’s a great film, not just for Roy’s performance. I sometimes wonder that if it weren’t a Taiwanese film, would it have done better internationally? Or maybe Netflix should have pushed it more.

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        It’s an all rounded masterpiece as pointed out by @mayhemf, not just because of Roy’s performance.

        The three main trio really play their parts to the T. Superbly acted and directed with a script from Mag Hsu who also penned the dramas In Time With You and an earlier classics Mars. Deeply moving and unforgettable, sprinkled with tears and laughters.

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          ITWY and Mars 🥰😍❤️
          Two absolute and utter gems. I’m also a big fan of “The World Between Us” which I think Mag Hsu wrote as well.

          While looking at MDL I realized the same team that wrote Marry Me or Not also wrote Sd1D – wow these two shows are poles apart 😂

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After the riveting experience of watching Someday or One Day and fearing that no Taiwanese drama will ever match it, I feel ready try and see a new one. So… Do you have any recommendations for well-written, fun and solid T-dramas? Bonus points if it\’s below 20 episodes 😊

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    I really liked Lost Romance and The Perfect Match. Meet Me @ 1006 is also good but looks a bit dated. All are 20-25 episodes iirc.

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    The classic one is always the original “In Time With You”, but the writer’s next drama was good as well – I’ll have to try remember the name…

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    yes! what a great drama..
    In Time with you – old, but gold. Must watch.
    Yong Jiu Grocery store – a heartwarming story set in rural village with some terrific cast and wonderful OST.
    The world between us – its on my list. But comes highly recommended.
    Magic Moment – another heartwarming story about old friends with an adorable puppy (my lovely piggy) noona romance
    and finally,
    Everyone needs to experience ROY CHIU! Watch him in Marry me or Not for some sizzling chemistry with Alice..
    Just pick any of his movies/shows.. He is amazing in everything.

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      Office Girls was good too 🙂

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        Yes! I loved it when I saw it. But wonder if it looks dated now.
        I miss watching Taiwanese romcoms.

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          Yeah, I have this questions for a lot of TW dramas. I didn’t really like the more recent ones and stopped watching them. I loves older ones but I don’t know if I could rewatch them 😅

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      I totally second:
      – In Time With You – most compatible OTP in Ariel Lin and Bolin Chen
      – The World Between Us – critically acclaimed piece based on real events
      – “Everyone needs to experience Roy Chiu”!! Start with his signature romcom dramas like Office Girls or Marry Me Or Not. Then watch his movies Dear Ex and Man in Love. This is a full course meal to experience his charm and range of acting.

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    Thank you all for the recommendations! I see some familiar names in your picks (Derek Chang omg!), and ended up adding 4 dramas to my to-watch list. Yay!

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I will not say anything about Today’s Webtoon, because thanks to it I discovered Kim Do-hoon. For that reason alone, they are forgiven.

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Gotta say, I really enjoyed ep.15 of Today\’s Webtoon. Fast forwarding made it so much more fun! Best button ever!

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Why is this “quack quack” so ridiculously cute? I’m losing my mind a little over here. How am I supposed to care about the main lead when this guy is adorable, goddamit?

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    Oh, the main lead’s hands and the forearms are way more distracting for me :p

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      Ooooh, I know what you mean. When he was flexing to open the car doors during the rescue scene… Wished he never reached for that rock, and kept at it, lol

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      I thought it was just me 😹 I pause at times to look closely 😅

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    I’m sure you’re talking about Peach Boy! Oh if only I could warm up to the FL (I couldn’t tolerate her acting so I gave up the show even before I finished ep1. I thought ML and Peach Boy were kinda cute though.

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      Yup, Peach Boy’s being too cute for words! I’m kinda used to Joy’s acting (recently I realised that somehow I’ve watched every drama she was ever in, lol) + she’s doing a good job of distracting me with her glorious eye smile. I never expected anything beyond light fluff with okeyish acting, so I’m still onboard.

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        Have to admit, I’m sort of crushing on Joy. She’s a good little actress and extremely cute.

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    That’s what I say!!
    These two are so cute together.

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Woooooow. What did I just see? What kind of clusterfuck was that?

#AoS

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Two things:

1. I loooooove the way this scene is shot. All the close ups; on his half-closed, hazy eyes, on how she tightened her grip on him, his hand on her back, the fire around them (and not sparing a moment to a passed out/dead soul shifter on the ground)… Dreamy. And the song makes it all the more delicious (a faint aroma of cheese is there, but who doesn’t like cheese?)
2. When I saw it the first time, I could not stop thinking about the platform Jung So-min must’ve been standing on (and how big it was) to make this kiss work so well and not break her neck in the process.

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Is this it? Is this the drama that will remind me how easy it is to love Wookie when he’s given a decent role to work with? Fingers freaking crossed.

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Ah, what a ride it was. Even though it seemed to have lost its footing towards the end, I still enjoyed Extraordinary Attorney Woo immensly, and most of the praise for that goes straight to Park Eun-bin, who somehow was even better than in Affection. How the heck is she doing that? She’s spectacular. And for the last time, let’s marvel at one of the beautiful ending images ❤️

(And a little praise goes to everything else: solid writing, dreamy directing, and great cast alsoKangTae-oh’ssmittengazeeee; none of it goes to Min-woo, who gave me whiplash for weeks with his sudden change)

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    Park Eunbin is truly a gifted actor. I can imagine how much prep she undertakes as well to convey her roles with such depth, nuance and originality but she seems to be very talented as well. I loved those drawings too. They were both whimsical and almost real.
    I remain disappointed at how poorly conceived was Minwoo’s redemption attempt. I can’t even call it an arch given how sudden and thinly substantiated it has been. Redemption should involve demonstrated reflection on one’s conduct, admission of one’s wrongdoing and attempts to behave differently. Having the hots for someone as a reason for the alleged change in character was a lazy and easy way out of the toxic character that they had created. I didn’t buy that one bit.
    I am also annoyed that Youngwoo wasn’t shown to have introduced Juhno to her dad and for that important encounter to have been included on screen. Her dad was such a poignant and sympathetic character and deserved more screen time. Jeon Baesoo did a wonderful job as Woo Gwangho.
    And, last but not least, no where enough scenes with Youngwoo and Juhno. It was annoying to have hyped that aspect of the drama so much and then, leave the audience begging for more. Even if a second series is a remote possibility, Kang Taeoh will be in the military so won’t be able to participate.

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      @dncingemma: Agreed with everything you said. Park Eun-bin is a joy to watch onscreen because you just know she’ll deliver a career-defining performance every single time. There hasn’t been a single time where I’ve seen her and she has disappointed. Truly one of the best actresses working today across any industry. Maybe a bold claim but I will stand by it. If there was only one reason instead of many to give Extraordinary Attorney Woo a chance, it’d be for her.

      Min-woo’s arc is frustrating because I can see a better written drama where his character could’ve been fully explored and given more depth, which would’ve led to a redemption arc more naturally and coming more from his own self-improvement and feelings of regret instead of a sharp turn just because the writer suddenly wants it. Not to mention that a man suddenly turning “good” simply because he likes a woman veers way too close to the “a good woman can fix a broken man” trope than I can stomach. It’s regressive and we need to stop using it.

      Young-woo and Jun-ho were cute beyond words (solid rank in my top 2022 OTPs), but yes I wish we got more of them together. I also thought Jun-ho felt a tad underdeveloped as a person outside being Young-woo’s boyfriend/love interest, but I understand that the story is about her first and foremost and not the guy she’s with, so I can tamp my annoyance down. As for Kang Tae-oh returning for a potential season two (ooh boy I have mixed feelings on that), they’re gunning to have a 2024 release date earliest, so I don’t think he’d have much of an issue participating post-enlistment.

      I do have one other complaint about the show and how it handles motherhood, reproductive rights, forced birthing and a mother’s “responsibility”, but that’s an essay for another day. Truthfully, my thoughts on it are still evolving and a haphazard mess and part of me is terrified to make such a heavy analysis/criticism of such a universally-beloved piece of media. Especially since it’s such a controversial and relevant topic with a wide range of beliefs and opinions. Idk, I just have opinions and have to share it somewhere and DB will be my ranting ground.

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        @ladynightshade: As usual, very well put! I agree with you too. Your last point is a very important one and it was on my mind too but I lost sight of it. I’m really glad you mentioned it. Women not raising the children they have given birth to and surrendering them to the male parent is still such a taboo in most parts of the world. The patriarchal notions of parenthood situate caregiving squarely as women’s work and their responsibility so it is heretical for a woman not to assume the maternal role willingly. I certainly recognise that Youngwoo’s dad was a dedicated, loving and present parent who willingly assumed parenthood in a situation which might have resulted in Youngwoo’s abandonment to an orphanage if he had not been willing and able to become a care-giving parent.

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          @dncingemma: I fully recognize that Young-woo’s dad is a loving and dedicated father who sacrificed a promising career and personal life in order to raise his daughter as well, but the ethics of basically forcing Tae Su-mi to carry out a full pregnancy to term and give birth when it was clearly not something she actually wanted bothers me immensely. Maybe I’m just more sensitive to stories about forced birthings and lack of safe reproductive healthcare these days given recent real-life developments, but it just struck a wrong chord in me. Part of me can’t help but feel that it kind of sends the message of “If Tae Su-mi aborted her pregnancy then Young-woo, who we all love and adore, wouldn’t exist. So maybe abortion is wrong.”

          See what I mean when I say my thoughts on the subject might get controversial? I feel like most people would think I’m reading too much into this; that this is just a common kdrama secret parentage trope and I’m imposing my own beliefs onto it with little hard evidence. But I just feel like the show glossed over how much of a risk Tae Su-mi was taking in actually staying pregnant and giving birth. Pregnancies still carry a huge risk to a woman’s health. Around when episode 8 was released, I still had hope that they’d handle Tae Su-mi’s feelings on motherhood and her having to abandon Young-woo with the nuance and care it deserved because the show at that point had demonstrated that in very other subject. Alas, I was wrong and we instead were subjected to something out of a makjang.

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            I didn’t mean to come across as disagreeing with you. I fully agree with your point re Tae Sumi – as you said – “basically” being forced to give birth. I was merely commenting on what it meant to Youngwoo that she had ended up with at least one loving and dedicated parent who unfortunately sacrificed his career and personal goals to raise her.

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            And, I also agree that it would have been really welcome if the pregnancy and Youngwoo’s surrender to her dad had been portrayed more critically, with much more subtlety and as you said not out of a makjang. Given the dangerous, retrogressive and punitive approach to reproductive rights in many parts of the world, your concern is well-placed.

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            @dncingemma: Oh no, I didn’t think you were disagreeing with me! I was just trying to add onto what you said, but I’m sorry that my tone came off as me disagreeing with your points – which were excellent btw.

            I think the show should’ve gone with the route of making Tae Su-mi someone who had to reluctantly abandon her child due to societal and professional expectations, not because she didn’t want to have the child or stay with Young-woo’s dad. After all, why even bother going through a long, dangerous pregnancy in secret if you didn’t want the child at all? Her family was shown to be affluent so I’m sure she could’ve found access to abortive services if she really wanted to. My ideal storyline for her would’ve been her struggling with her feelings of guilt now that Young-woo has “resurfaced” in her professional circle, while trying to stick to her decision to never contact her child and ex since that would hurt her burgeoning political ambitions. Instead we got that ridiculous spiel about “sending her away” that was straight out of something in Penthouse. My disappointment was immeasurable.

            I apologize to @ladykrueger. You were just trying to celebrate this lovely show and Park Eun-bin’s stellar work and I just had to make it about how this hyper-specific part of it was maybe, kinda problematic. I want to reiterate that I still loved the show overall and fully agree with your words of praise.

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            @ladynightshade: You have expressed your liking very clearly for the drama so I don’t think that can be misconstrued. It is always good to think critically and I hope Lady Krueger agrees.

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      I agree with you, and I was also disappointed at all the dangling plotlines left unresolved as E16 closed. However, I am willing to wait for season 2 to get more answers, even if it doesn’t come until 2024.

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Agh, right in my poor little heart…

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Awww, as if I was watching Jugglers all over again… But why is Choi Daniel flipping off my beloved Sejeong?

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    Many normal people, and even korean actors do this gesture to avoid leaving finger marks on their glasses. It is just that Daniel Choi has such beautifully large and chiseled hands, and does the gesture so deliberately in Jugglers that it has somehow become his signature move.

    Now that we are on the topic, a bespectacled person’s absolute nightmare is the gesture Go Ah Ra uses in Miss Hammurabi. It sent shivers down my spine every ten minutes! 😂 It looked like there was not even one person actually using glasses on that set!

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Yes. Give me more.

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Still head over heels in love with all of this.

Except for Min-woo. He can go to hell and never come back.

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❤️❤️❤️

(And with this, I’m officially saying goodbye to my Twenty Five, Twenty One header. Hello new header!)

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    I saw one comment that says because the lights are turned off, you can’t tell who has autism and who hasn’t. Just showing two people who love each other.

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Omg omg omg! Kim Go-eun posted this on her IG, and tagged Nam Ji-hyun and Park Ji-hu! Add Wi Ha-joon to this dream cast, and omaygadh I’m so excited!

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