Random Red Sky 14
To expand on my previous points made about one of the main issues this show has being pacing @kdramaswimmer
Episode 14 is filler.
It took them 6 episodes to figure out it thereโs something wrong the kingโs portrait and sort of question it being the kingโs portrait they actually need. But instead of coming up with a solution for this, and instead of taking the most obvious narrative choice (id est, itโs not the Kingโs Portrait they need at all, but Ha Ramโs), that anyone couldโve told you from episode 1, weโre nowhere farther, and weโre still talking about repainting the Kingโs portraitโฆ for the third time.
It took them 6 episodes to get to this non-point and to set up the failed sealing ceremony.
Which means they haven’t structured or set up, but also laid-out and paced, all the necessary plot elements correctly, efficiently or intelligently, to tell their story in the most effective way, or in the way that is the best narrative option for the story.
(If you want to read more about these concepts, I suggest reading my IFWYTWIN and Squid Game essays.)
I feel like weโre both speed running things and also dragging things out longer than necessary.
Yulโs exile, him inciting those loyal to him against his brother off screen, Moo Youngโs sacrifice, and the gisaengโs frustration at Ha Ram (and both their internal conflict and relationship with Ha Ram not being fleshed out enough just adding to Ha Ramโs revenge arc feeling superfluous); these are rushed through with little narrative weight. Even Cheon Giโs fatherโs death feels a bit pointless and weightless at this point.
But at the same time, I feel like weโre no farther forward with the important stuff than we were 4-6 episodes ago, and we keep repeating dialogue multiple times an episode. So what exactly have we been doing for the last half a dozen hours exactly?
Finally, this is further exacerbated by the Kingโs return in the final few minutes of 14, making the whole episode but also several before just added, unnecessary and forced conflict filler to either pad run time, or waffle because the writer actually doesnโt know where to take this thing, or both: The latter being the most likely to me since theyโre connected (knowing where you want to take your story and therefore knowing how to use the time youโve been given are not mutually exclusive.)
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And, unfortunately, also for me, our OTP has lost almost all of its charm, and I feel like neither of them have gone through good enough development or exploration to be compelling in this finale. Their conflict feels weak, and their connection feels shallow now, their spark distinguished.
I think this is partly because it actually hasnโt been explored well enough, and itโs constantly been held back by mediocre use of writing tropes.
What I mean by this is, a lot of the conflict and separation they go through is at the hands of really dumb lore and plot, which justโฆ makes it that much more painful.
For example, I felt we never actually got enough time for them to re-bond after finding each other again, and the forced separation due first to Ha Ramโs revenge and then due to Mawang was inconsistent, and suddenly heโs confessing his love. Cute but, also, what.
Also, Iโm disappointed Ha Ramโs Astronomer status and abilities have had so little to do in the last 3rd again a drama has dropped a MCโs profession or quirk in the long run, and also specifically here because of dumb plot tangentsโฆ
The couple rests only on the day they met when they were kids. They didn’t really learn to know each other in the present. HCG knew nothing about Haram and his plans but was ready to sacrifice herself for the nice and blind astrologist. His revenge wasn’t well developped neither. It was more like “I’m angry and I will screw you” style.
The Princes are the only interesting characters.
Mmmhmm. Both chars individually and together are super under developed.
I unfortunately don’t care about the princes either. Everyone is just let down by a sub par script. Yul swung round with his jealously too much (they’re always more interesting without this addition), and both got more boring with everything else getting more boring after episode 10 ish, give or take a couple of episodes.
Every single character – including the princes – are as interesting as unseasoned chicken. Not an iota of compelling character development for any of them.
I mightโve tolerated the Ma Wang shenanigans if the characters were interesting. There was so much potential for them if the writer even tried. What a shame, given how strong the cast is.
It’s like you saw into my brain and wrote down what you saw in there(only better). I was rooting for this show and honestly ready to fight anyone who wasn’t but it has let me down in so many ways. I just want my leads to be fleshed out with tragedies deep enough to break my heart and motivations solid enough for me to be fully invested and immersed in the whole experience. I am smad about the whole thing.
THIS!! I was rooting for the show so hard and it let me down completely. It has all the elements I love and somehow the writer managed to ruin every part.
Cc: @rueffie@ladynightshade
It’s difficult to say what expectations I had for this show and how let down I am by them personally. On the one hand I’m frustrated it’s bad in all the most predictable ways, but on the other hand I don’t know if I actually expected much to begin with.
I was hopeful it would deliver after episode 6 and yet there was always part of me that was like “it’s not gonna” haha – but it’s still disappointing because I really do think it had a lot of good potential and parts to it. Isn’t that often the case though.
Ofc, I watched because I like fantasy sageuks, so I had to try it anyway.
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Oh Kiara I am so nervous for RED CUFF. I just can’t get the impending doom out of my heart that it’s going to be awful. aklfdjhakd
… Hmmmm 20 episode show so post half way mark probably. Post 11-13 definitely.
Could easily before that though.
(It hasn’t exactly already but it also depends whether you like the trope archetype…)
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 12:23 AM
Random Red Sky 14
To expand on my previous points made about one of the main issues this show has being pacing @kdramaswimmer
Episode 14 is filler.
It took them 6 episodes to figure out it thereโs something wrong the kingโs portrait and sort of question it being the kingโs portrait they actually need. But instead of coming up with a solution for this, and instead of taking the most obvious narrative choice (id est, itโs not the Kingโs Portrait they need at all, but Ha Ramโs), that anyone couldโve told you from episode 1, weโre nowhere farther, and weโre still talking about repainting the Kingโs portraitโฆ for the third time.
It took them 6 episodes to get to this non-point and to set up the failed sealing ceremony.
Which means they haven’t structured or set up, but also laid-out and paced, all the necessary plot elements correctly, efficiently or intelligently, to tell their story in the most effective way, or in the way that is the best narrative option for the story.
(If you want to read more about these concepts, I suggest reading my IFWYTWIN and Squid Game essays.)
I feel like weโre both speed running things and also dragging things out longer than necessary.
Yulโs exile, him inciting those loyal to him against his brother off screen, Moo Youngโs sacrifice, and the gisaengโs frustration at Ha Ram (and both their internal conflict and relationship with Ha Ram not being fleshed out enough just adding to Ha Ramโs revenge arc feeling superfluous); these are rushed through with little narrative weight. Even Cheon Giโs fatherโs death feels a bit pointless and weightless at this point.
But at the same time, I feel like weโre no farther forward with the important stuff than we were 4-6 episodes ago, and we keep repeating dialogue multiple times an episode. So what exactly have we been doing for the last half a dozen hours exactly?
Finally, this is further exacerbated by the Kingโs return in the final few minutes of 14, making the whole episode but also several before just added, unnecessary and forced conflict filler to either pad run time, or waffle because the writer actually doesnโt know where to take this thing, or both: The latter being the most likely to me since theyโre connected (knowing where you want to take your story and therefore knowing how to use the time youโve been given are not mutually exclusive.)
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And, unfortunately, also for me, our OTP has lost almost all of its charm, and I feel like neither of them have gone through good enough development or exploration to be compelling in this finale. Their conflict feels weak, and their connection feels shallow now, their spark distinguished.
I think this is partly because it actually hasnโt been explored well enough, and itโs constantly been held back by mediocre use of writing tropes.
What I mean by this is, a lot of the conflict and separation they go through is at the hands of really dumb lore and plot, which justโฆ makes it that much more painful.
For example, I felt we never actually got enough time for them to re-bond after finding each other again, and the forced separation due first to Ha Ramโs revenge and then due to Mawang was inconsistent, and suddenly heโs confessing his love. Cute but, also, what.
Also, Iโm disappointed Ha Ramโs Astronomer status and abilities have had so little to do in the last 3rd again a drama has dropped a MCโs profession or quirk in the long run, and also specifically here because of dumb plot tangentsโฆ
RIP the show this couldโve been.
Kurama
October 25, 2021 at 12:29 AM
The couple rests only on the day they met when they were kids. They didn’t really learn to know each other in the present. HCG knew nothing about Haram and his plans but was ready to sacrifice herself for the nice and blind astrologist. His revenge wasn’t well developped neither. It was more like “I’m angry and I will screw you” style.
The Princes are the only interesting characters.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 12:33 AM
Mmmhmm. Both chars individually and together are super under developed.
I unfortunately don’t care about the princes either. Everyone is just let down by a sub par script. Yul swung round with his jealously too much (they’re always more interesting without this addition), and both got more boring with everything else getting more boring after episode 10 ish, give or take a couple of episodes.
Kurama
October 25, 2021 at 12:43 AM
I was hoping for more painting and less demon. The painting contest episodes are my favourites ones.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 12:45 AM
Yes! See my WWW comment haha!
ladynightshade wants to be gazed at by namgoong min
October 25, 2021 at 11:36 AM
Every single character – including the princes – are as interesting as unseasoned chicken. Not an iota of compelling character development for any of them.
I mightโve tolerated the Ma Wang shenanigans if the characters were interesting. There was so much potential for them if the writer even tried. What a shame, given how strong the cast is.
HANI
October 25, 2021 at 12:49 AM
I dont watch this drama but I’m intrigue by IFWYTWIN. what show is this 😅
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 2:52 AM
(Inaccurate) Acronym for I Will Find You When the Weather is Nice.
Essay here: https://www.dramabeans.com/members/sicarius/activity/1034649/
rue
October 25, 2021 at 8:39 AM
It’s like you saw into my brain and wrote down what you saw in there(only better). I was rooting for this show and honestly ready to fight anyone who wasn’t but it has let me down in so many ways. I just want my leads to be fleshed out with tragedies deep enough to break my heart and motivations solid enough for me to be fully invested and immersed in the whole experience. I am smad about the whole thing.
ladynightshade wants to be gazed at by namgoong min
October 25, 2021 at 11:38 AM
THIS!! I was rooting for the show so hard and it let me down completely. It has all the elements I love and somehow the writer managed to ruin every part.
kiara
October 25, 2021 at 9:45 AM
I dropped it around eps 8-10. How low of an expectation should we set for webtoon/novel-based sageuks?
Fingers and toes crossed for RED CUFF. At least the novel is based on actual historical records.
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 1:13 PM
Cc: @rueffie @ladynightshade
It’s difficult to say what expectations I had for this show and how let down I am by them personally. On the one hand I’m frustrated it’s bad in all the most predictable ways, but on the other hand I don’t know if I actually expected much to begin with.
I was hopeful it would deliver after episode 6 and yet there was always part of me that was like “it’s not gonna” haha – but it’s still disappointing because I really do think it had a lot of good potential and parts to it. Isn’t that often the case though.
Ofc, I watched because I like fantasy sageuks, so I had to try it anyway.
—
Oh Kiara I am so nervous for RED CUFF. I just can’t get the impending doom out of my heart that it’s going to be awful. aklfdjhakd
FlyingTool
October 25, 2021 at 5:04 PM
TKA – any bets on when TKA goes off the rails? Unless it has alreadyโฆ
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 5:10 PM
… Hmmmm 20 episode show so post half way mark probably. Post 11-13 definitely.
Could easily before that though.
(It hasn’t exactly already but it also depends whether you like the trope archetype…)
ramenqueen
October 25, 2021 at 6:54 PM
Noooo I really like TKA so far but I’m scared to be emotionally invested
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 7:16 PM
@ramenqueen hehehe mianhae, I’m a cynical sageuk club member
kiara
October 25, 2021 at 5:25 PM
I’m nervous and excited at the same time. I’m counting on the lead’s chemistry to carry this show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS1rdIw99R0&t=2s&ab_channel=MBCdrama
I love the old-school MBC sageuk feels and hilarious Lee Se Young behind the scene.
Possum
October 25, 2021 at 8:16 PM
I can see all this, and yet Iโm still enjoying the show. 🤷♀️ (Mind you, I also enjoyed The Scholar who walks the Night )
๐๐โ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia โ ๐๐
October 25, 2021 at 8:45 PM
Lmao all power to you. Unfortunately it has surpassed my ability to even enjoy it as silly campy fantasy.
Possum
October 25, 2021 at 8:52 PM
Sorry to hear that. Judging from other peopleโs posts, I do seem to be in the minority of still enjoying the show.