Kwon Sang-woo looking to make Hollywood debut in Green Hornet
WHAT????? OMGOMG.
Hallyu heartthrob Kwon Sang-woo is looking to make his Hollywood film debut… in a Michel Gondry film???
I’m trying not to get too excited about this because they’re still negotiating… but this is Really Big Stuff. I don’t mean that it’s big that Kwon Sang-woo is trying to make his Hollywood debut, like other Hallyu stars before him (Lee Byung-heon, Rain, Gianna Jun). No, it’s big because this is Michel Freaking Gondry, and he is a genius.
(Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was half the genius of Michel Gondry’s directing, and half the genius of Charlie Kaufman’s screenwriting. Thankfully there’s enough genius in that film to go around. Gondry also has a celebrated filmography in short films and music videos, like this one of Cibo Matto’s “Sugar Water,” and the Lego video for the White Stripes, and the Foo Fighters’ “Everlong,” among many others.)
Gondry is the director attached to the upcoming film version of The Green Hornet, which was originally created for a 1930s radio program, then also turned into a movie, a television series, and comic books. The new film stars Seth Rogen and is currently negotiating to attach Cameron Diaz. Last week, Kwon Sang-woo flew to Los Angeles, where he is currently staying, to meet with Gondry to discuss working on the film.
Originally, The Green Hornet was to be directed by Stephen Chow (Shaolin Soccer), who would also fill the role of the Green Hornet’s sidekick Kato (the role Bruce Lee played on the TV show). However, Chow dropped out due to “creative differences” with the studio, and now here we are with Kwon Sang-woo possibly filling in.
Again, this is not final, but if it happens, it would be Big! It would also be the first of all these Korean-stars-gone-Hollywood attempts that I would actually be really, really excited about.
Via Asia Economy, Star News, Newsen
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Oh my! This is interesting. Glad to see korean stars make slowly make their way to Hollywood!
i wonder if kwon sang woo even appreciates who michael gondry is..
Another action flick
I am conflicted.
2009 – Jeon Ji Hyun, Bi, Lee Hyung Heon, and now KSW. To be shown in america, must hold sword and if male, pls wear a mask.
Stephen Chow, with decades long filmography in comedy/action films like the legendary god of gamblers series and more recent stuff like king of beggars, shaolin soccer and kungfu hustle, seemed a natural fit for the role. Having KSW, recently of Cinderella Man, take the role seems a bit forced.
Maybe KSW won’t be forced to wear a mask and be an faceless martial arts expert. Maybe they will be “PC” about it, and have KSW only wear the mask for a few minutes and maybe he’ll get a suitable non-white love interest as well.
It may be be Gondry, and the film might actually be good, but I see everything now with one eye always turned toward the portrayal of asian males and korean males particular. If they can make half of the doctors on television shows african american, and a good percentage of the attorneys, then maybe we can do better in 2010 and beyond for asian males.
There is nothing big about it, other than the fact (and what a chance that is) that he will be making a debut in Hollywood.
Just like Lee Byung Hun, he will be cast as another martial arts expert or whatever, in this case hero if in fact he is to play Kato (Lee Byung Hun plays the bad guy in Cobra, but I don’t care. The movie is nothing out of this world, but I don’t care. I will still go and see it since he is my all time favorite actor, even over any western actor… well, there is still a contradiction about that, but who cares right now, that’s out of the point.)
I think its kinda sad how Asians are pretty limited when it comes to acting roles here in the western part of the world. However, I can understand this, because like them, we are just as limited -perhaps even more- when appearing in their productions. How many westerners live in Asia (Korea, Japan, China) as opposed to the many Asians that live here in the US? And, lets not mention Brazil, which holds the largest Japanese community outside of Japan. There is also, Panama, Peru, some in Cuba… and the list goes on.
I think to make it in Hollywood they have to start from the bottom; there are no questions about that. Even the American actors have to undergo a series of lousy roles before hitting the jackpot.
So, my theory is: If the actor is actually good, and has what it takes. Soon he would be doing more than kicking and fighting. He might have to hold a sword forever (which I doubt) but he wont be the bad guy or the assistant forever. He would be like Watanabe-san, (The Last Samurai, Memoirs of a Geisha) a true leading actor.
Eh? Kwon Sang-woo possibly paring up with Seth Rogen? @_@ that should be worth watching. Hmm hope KSW doesn’t have to cry in this, cause Seth you better watch out!
Never knew anything about the Green Hornet aside from the Bruce Lee starred in it as Kato. Not really interested in the story, but rather what the role KSW will get to play if he gets cast. As much as I love KSW (or should that be the past tense ‘loved’ having skipped his last 2 kdramas?) if the better actor Lee Byung-Hun (MINE!) gets reduced to a 2nd tier role in a Hollywood movie, what hope is there for KSW.
But what is with this sudden wave of Korean stars/singers trying to break into Hollywood/America? Good for them for trying, but if the great Chow Yun Fat (what a great actor and a great man!) and his megawatt talent can get dumped into crappy roles in Hollywood, why or why do they think they can break Hollywood?
Hollywood still has not gotten how HUGE the Asian stars are. Morons. Come to think of it – would the artist and that (ie Asian) market not be better served, and more lucrative, for these stars to continue to focus on roles that do not belittle their talents? Do they also not realise how offensive it is to continually have roles that rely on ’stereotypes’? Blah so boring.
I would rather watching something creative, innovative coming even in small roles for these artists than have to read about them taking roles that reduce them to nothing more than 5 sec background in Hollywood productions!! They are too talented to waste their talents that way.
uh…how’s his English?
or are they giving him a non-speaking role?
I was REALLY excited when I first heard stephen chow was going to star and direct this. I’ve seen most of his movies and they are amazing! So when he left this one I knew it was a turkey that they wouldn’t let him fix.
I think every asian actor should RUN from this part.
Michel*effing*Gondry?! I’m ineffably excited!
I’m just not sure about KSW, but I’ll wait and see, he might be good in it.
I’m actually kind of sad to read this news as I’m quite sure that Kato will now be a MUCH REDUCED role in this Green Hornet remake.
This first came as an exciting news about 18 months ago when it was announced as the Stephen Chow’s vehicle to enter Hollywood with him at the helm of directing and acting in it. This could be his ideal debut in Hollywood for what a big Bruce Lee fan he has been. I even read an interview of Seth Rogen who seemed to be so exciting about this collaboration and his watching a lot of kung fu movies in preparation for the project. But then things took an ugly turn and Stephen Chow pulled out from the project earlier this year. Things sort of die down a bit and now KSW is touted as a Kato replacement. I can see some resemblance of KSW to Bruce Lee – watch the jawline. Somewhat, I guess the role is now a tokenism and they just have to fill it with an Asian…. Hope I am wrong.
To late to accept this role – for his age — need lots of stamina,
Jet lee maybe…
I hope he gets the role..Sang Woo can kick ass..and yeah cant wait to hear him speaking English..Just read some crazy rumors about his marriage..
Not a good idea, KSW has lost his appeal for me. He is too predictable, he’s the same in every role in my opinion. I couldn’t bear to watch Cinderella Man. Didn’t see one single episode of CM. I don’t like K stars going Hollywood, they lose that “something”.
Stephen Chow dropped out mainly because of Seth Rogens ideas and the second fiddle or so I read.
I was actually looking forward to see Stephen Chow as Kato but I can understand that he wanted to drop out.
But it’s nice to see that not all asians are cast as ninjas etc. Gabrielle Zevins book “memoirs of a teenase amneasiac”or “nakushita kiouku” is being filmed in Japan with a international cast like Horikita Maki, Matsuyama Kenichi, Anton Yelchin and Emma Roberts.
why asian actors are chosen to be only in “super hero” movies ? !
still i pretty much don’t care since i do not watch this kind of movie…
It is not only Asians who have limited roles in America but also Hispanics. I am sure there are other races that have been offered less than appealing roles but they do take it. It is a step closer for them to get recognized. Before this, most African Americans were mostly depicted as slaves but look how far they had come. Yes, Asians are sterotyped but then again so are many others.
We should be happy that they are getting some sort of job in America. If it helps them get more recognition and paved the way for better roles in the future for others, then I am all for it.
On the other hand, it WOULD be really exciting if KSW did make it onto the big screen with other American film stars.
It would be quite a moment.
1. It would likely mark the beginning, hopefully, of the introduction of Korean hallyu stars to Hollywood.
2. If the movie is successful, it would give “cred” to other actors who are aiming for the US market. And even if it isn’t that successful from a box-office standpoint, given the fact that Gondry is doing it, the “cred” might be there ANYWAY.
3. And more than anything else, it would be quite something to sit in an American movie theatre and watch an American film and then see Kwon Sang Woo appear. Sort of like the melding of two very very different worlds. I think I would be a little nervous, very excited, and a little pessimistic (taking after Korean parents who take the negative view on anything in the beginning) that KSW would not do a good enough job. I would worry about what everybody else thinks, how people might subconsciously think about Korean actors / actresses, and how this all might be the critical point in the spread of hallyu to the United States, which has thus far been relatively disinterested.
***
Imagine what would happen if this is successful, and next year during the Holiday Season 2010, we get to see Hyun Bin in a movie that doesn’t involve weapons or martial arts – my Binnie gets cast to play a mid-level corporate executive for a large Korean car maker who is really just an empty suit because of a terrible fatal accident that happened to his child during a trip to America years before. Binnie’s life in Korea is falling apart as his wife leaves him and the other jealous corporate execs get Binnie exiled to a faraway American branch office. But Binnie never makes it his destination as his plane gets detoured to another city during a snow storm, and from there, it is road trip hijinks galore as Binnie and his lovely gypsy cab driver Drew Barrymore (who has her own issues of money, family and love) get entangled. Drew Barrymore plays a spunky and cynical cab driver who initially tries to take advantage of Binnie’s lack of communication ability but then realizes that Binnie is holding onto a terrible secret pain that in a round-about sort of way, she was responsible for, years ago. Binnie and Drew start inexorably falling for each other. Call it, “Snow Globe,” after the little snow globe that started the whole cycle, the little cracked snow globe that Drew keeps on her taxi dashboard.
Imagine that. And how cool that would be to see an A list Hallyu star and an A list American star, in a movie together that doesn’t involve guns and swords, the Yakuza or the Triads. And all because of Kato and KSW.
I can’t believe you just called Drew Barrymore an A list star. She hasn’t been in anything good since E.T. (Yeah – I said it.) Maybe those make-up ads because she looks cute in those, but not much else.
And what about if Kim Bum were to come over in the Summer of 2011, with a new movie about being a selfish and self-absorbed Korean exchange student who finds himself stranded in a quiet midwestern college town, stranded because his credit cards had to be cancelled due to identity theft, and having to find odd jobs and work. There he meets an intriguing and beautiful African-American girl (Cree Summer??) who is initially the exact opposite of what he considers to be his “style.” His main odd job then turns out to help rebuild a bridge that separates the poor side of town and the affluent side. Sparks fly, however, between Kim Bum, the American girl, and Kim Bum’s rich Korean gf (Ha Ji Won?)who comes from Korea with a ton of cash to “rescue” Kim Bum from the hell of an American countryside town. Call it, “To Build A Bridge.”
@13
I agree with you about KSW. I haven’t watched CM either. On the other hand, the trailer for Ninja Assassin has been released. http://www.mtv.com/videos/movie-trailers/412608/ninja-assassin.jhtml
I don’t know about you, but this man brings out my inner “cougar”. MEOW!!!!
@18,
I guess that depends on how you define “A” List. Wouldn’t you say that one reasonable measure would be how much they can command per film?
Drew has been in the top 10 of highest paid actresses for a while now, at least for the last couple of years, coming in at #8 in the recent (July 2009) Forbes list of highest paid..she was #2 in 2006, #9 in 2007. Plus, you’d have to go back a few years to find a year that she isn’t on the Forbes 100 most powerful celebs (not just hollywood, and not just women).
So, yeah, she would be “A” list by measuring… say, money and power.
Tough crowd. Yeah, Kwon Sang-woo has been in some bad kdramas, but Michel freaking Gondry, people! The Green Hornet will not suck if he’s directing it. It’s one thing to be cast as The Asian Other in a crapfest of a movie (Speed Racer), but it’s another thing when the movie actually has a chance at being good.
Sorry to say, but this is a bad idea. If you read the Green Hornet script the focus is not about the action but about the chemistry between Kato and Bret. The film is written as the Superbad of hero movies, and if this guy isn’t GOOD at English, he likely won’t get the flow or the humor of the dialogue.
It’s amazing how money and power translates to “A” list. It should be defined by talent. I guess the list would be much smaller.
On the subject of the American film industry, why are we the ultimate platform? I enjoy watching foreign films (and dramas) that depict cultural differences. (many can be similar to mine) Why does eveything have to be adapted to fit American biases and presumed stereotypes?. hmm…. Do I detected some anger?……
As a hispanic, like the Asian community, I am tired of seeing us portrayed as gang members and side kicks. Please, Jennifer Lopez is not the only hispanic actress out there. (The movie “Selena” does not count. Never watched it. ugg! ) Edward James Olmos is the exception. Battlestar Galactica rocked!
I really think that the image of hero, beauty, and over all attractiveness is slowly changing. Give it time.
Sigh. So much ignorance and racism in this thread.
1) Michael Gondry is in absolutely no shape or form “big”. ESotSM and Be Kind, Rewind? Good films, but by no means “big.” The Wachowski brothers… THAT was big. At the time, they finished Matrix and V. NO ONE was bigger than the Wachowski’s pre-Speed Racer whether you’re a fan of them or not. Rain, arguably, had the “biggest” Hollywood debut opportunity with Speed Racer.
2) There are SO MANY MORE Asians and Asian-filled roles in Hollywood film and TV lately which are not simply “superheroes” or “ninja’s with masks.”
Could there be more? Absolutely. But when you’ve got a million ethnic groups fighting for a piece of that Hollywood pie, I think you all need to quite down, take a step back, and look at who’s actually in films doing what. Perhaps watching more American media would help you all see who’s doing what out there.
How many times have you seen any South Asian people in films unless they’re terrorists? How about Eastern European unless they’re drug dealers or hookers? Or here’s a great one: NATIVE AMERICANS. Remember those people? The one’s who actually LIVED in America before Europeans came over and slaughtered them? How many of those on TV and in films?
Compared to them, Asians are doing JUST FINE. Ironically, White people in Korean productions, however, are usually portrayed as one-line “business associates” or, you know, English teachers who rape young, naive Korean girls.
EXCELLENT.
3) Furthermore, I’m noticing a tread of Asian foreign talent (i.e. Korean, Japanese or Chinese native celebrities) taking roles in Hollywood blockbuster films, followed by fans COMPLAINING about the fact that they’re playing a stereotypical Hollywood blockbuster film character in a stereotypical Hollywood blockbuster film.
“WAH! Byung-hun Lee is playing THE ONLY ASIAN G.I. JOE character in G.I. Joe because he’s Asian! Its a ninja! WAH!”
Yeah, dude. It’s G.I. Joe. What the f**k did you expect him to play? Destro, the Scottish arms dealer? Shipwreck; the Village People reject? Come on.
Sometimes I’m amazed people really are that phenomenally stupid.
A) The actor has EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ACCEPT THE ROLE IF THEY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE OF THE CHARACTER. If an actor does not want to play “masked ninja master” or “amazing kung fu guy,” GET THIS! They don’t have to take the role! OH EM GEE! Furthermore, they can STILL make money because they’re already stars in their own countries, so its not like these roles are being “taken away from them.”
Look at Shohreh Aghdashloo. She was tired of the media always portraying Iranian people as terrorists, so she STOPPED GOING TO THOSE AUDITIONS. Crazy talk, I know, that actors might have their own judgement, but its been known to happen once or twice.
B) If the actor in question is taking a role in a blockbuster film, chances are they know they’re going to play a blockbuster stereotype because, and I know this is shocking to some of you, but blockbuster films generally have “blockbuster character types.” These are characters who are sort of seen or represented in every blockbuster movie. If I hear of an Asian actor being cast in a big budget remake of He-Man and the Master of the Universe, I’m pretty sure I’m not watching this film to see the actor perform Shakespearian tragedy.
So, maybe – just maybe – try to keep up with me on this… Maybe these actors are taking these roles ’cause they think the characters are fun to play and/or are interesting and/or they just like playing kick ass ninja dudes. Naw, that’s insanity. Meanwhile, let me download the newest episode of Sageuk Drama X starring Sageuk Actor X who’s been in 1500 other sageuk dramas before.
C) They have money. They can make connections. They want to be taken seriously playing a “real” “meaty” part, they’re more than welcome to finance their own films. If NYC students can do it off 7 maxed out credit cards, I hardly think Asian superstars are hurting for cash if they wanted to make a low budget American indie movie to break in and be seen into the Hollywood market.
Please no Kwon Sang Woo! I hope they don’t choose him. We’re talking about filling the shoes of Bruce Lee here, and I was so disappointed when Stephen Chow dropped out. Kwon Sang Woo is not the answer! And I don’t think Michael freakin’ Gondry will make Kwon Sang Woo look good. It’ll be like Rob Marshall who tried to make Zhang Ziyi look good in Memoirs of a Geisha but she was awful in that movie.
You’re calling me ignorant for thinking Michel Gondry is the shit? Oh, he’s the shit. Is he as big as the Wachowskis? No, but his is hardly a competition of “who’s bigger, A or B?” Michel Gondry is a name director with a lot of cred, is all I’m saying. Have you seen his immense catalog of music videos? The man is creative, weird, quirky as hell, and the idea of a Hallyu actor making their debut with him excites me.
Let’s not condescend to those who think differently, now.
@ 25
YES!!!
The desire to enter the American market seems to make an actor overlook their own principles. “Just trying to my foot in the door”. How may times does this happen in the real world, say.. at a job interview?
@27
Again, money and power = A list (credibility) duh!!
My rant was to the general statements made in this thread, not to anyone specific.
That being said… No, I do not think Michael Gondry is “big”. Interesting? Yes. Exciting? Yes. Creative? Yes. Big? No. A lot of cred? Two films does not “a lot of cred” make.
ESotSM was a cute film. Very good. Be Kind, Rewind? No so much. Full of flaws. So, the man is still unproven. Furthermore, directing The Green Hornet will be a challenge since – with it most likely being an action-comedy – Gondry has shown no prior film experience in the genre with either of his flicks.
As for music videos? So what? Antoine Fuqua. Phil Joanou. Both AMAZINGLY creative people who didn’t do so well once they were directing films.
Movies are about where you live or experiences…How many American actors are working in Korea ? and what are they? Bad American soldiers, evil corporate bank managers, drug gangsters? It works both ways Americans use guns, boxing, Asians use Guns, marshal arts. stereotype works both ways, it is an easy out ! How many Italian are tired of “The Godfather” What about any person who is not a size 0
I guess Hollywood Movies are Big Time. . Lately Hollywood has been putting out some pretty blah movies…but inroads are being made in TV I think. . . ” Bones” and “Crash” had Brian Tee in it, “The Mentalist ” and “The Closer” has Asian actors in parts than could be played by any race or gender .
If you live on either coast in the US you are exposed to different experiences and sad but true everyone is different to someone.
I personally enjoy Asian Movies and TV, I lived on the West Coast and grew up around a wide variety of people so I don’t understand why more diverse range of actors aren’t being used. Very short-sighted on their part.I think Hollywood has dropped the ball big time.
I guess it all comes down to money crunching and Big number on opening day. Even major Star Movies have had a hard time.
The point is people need to go out and support a movie/actor they like. Number speak. Sad but true.
You should really watch this then:
http://www.amazon.com/Directors-Vol-Director-Michel-Gondry/dp/B0000DBJ9J/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1248372311&sr=1-1
Frankly, I do not think KSW is such a great actor. Deep down, I also think he is lack of depth and very superficial in his grasping of the respective characters he was trying to potray.
YJT or Hyun Bin may be a better replacement for Stephen Chow. Gondry may be making a wrong bet if he finally chooses to co-operate with KSW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Gondry
Yes, yes. I’ve seen a number of them. Once again, if I wanted him to direct a music video, I know he’s the man.
If I want him to direct a movie, we’ll see how it goes. Two entirely different beasts, young lady.
Like asking a comic book writer to write a novel. Doesn’t always work.
I’m commenting again? This is getting interesting. I would like to answer a lot of the questions why Asians are stereotype in Hollywood movies, and subsequently, give hope to all Koreans or Asians that think being cast as the assistant of the Green Hornet, or as a Ninja Assassin, or even as a Ninja in GIJOE is a bad thing.
First, my nationality is Cuban. I just wanted to clarified before I get raid with negative comments of being an arrogant, American… you get the point. I said on my last comment: “I think its kinda sad how Asians are pretty limited when it comes to acting roles here in the western part of the world. However, I can understand this, because like them, we are just as limited -perhaps even more- when appearing in their productions. How many westerners live in Asia (Korea, Japan, China) as opposed to the many Asians that live here in the US? And, lets not mention Brazil, which holds the largest Japanese community outside of Japan. There is also, Panama, Peru, some in Cuba… and the list goes on.”
If I may, I have to say that I have watched a considerable amount of Korean dramas, and because of that became more interested in Asian films. How is it that a westerner is portrayed in a Korean drama? As an arrogant American executive, who thinks he has the power over any other person just because he is rich and, well, American. Of course, this person will ultimately make a fool of himself; or rather, the lead character will make a fool of him. They can also play the gangster boss of some – either American, Russian, or Australian – organization, who helps the lead character become stronger; or the foolish boy who knows crap about Asian culture, and therefore is made a fool of him by the Koreans when they teach him bad words instead of helping him for real – which is totally fine by me, I had that same problem when I came to live in America and knew crap of English. This is how westerners can be portrayed, and the reason why, is because – as I said before – how many of us westerners actually live in Asia? Not many, and its known to all the world that we do not come from there either (I mean as a native or something of the sort) which means it would be VERY unrealistic if we were the be the lead characters of a typical Korean drama. For example: imagine Nicole Kidman playing the role of the female lead in Winter Sonata or Beautiful Days – as I compare the actress to her a lot because they both have that very elegant beauty and sophisticated air about them; – Or Sandra Bullock, playing the lead role in Kim Sam-Soon? Ahhh… NO.
Like it happens with us in Asian films and dramas, it happens with Asians in Hollywood films. It’s only natural because even when there is a lot of the new Asian generation born here in the U.S., we all know that either their parents, or grandparents, or great-grandparents came from Asia. And of course, the fact that they are minority (like Hispanics, African-Americans, Indians) contributes a lot to this as well. Minorities are stereotype in Hollywood A LOT, trust me. It has nothing to do with the actor being particularly Asian.
Another thing that we should all remember is that in Asian culture there is a lot of Ninja, Swords, Ass-kicking, etc. For example, a big, big, I mean HUGE part of the Japanese culture is the much-respected Samurai. What would it be for a Japanese to act on a film and not bring out his culture. While is true that the actor might be only cast as a “Japanese” is also true that the actor is in FACT Japanese, so… it goes without saying. I have to bring out films like Memoirs of a Geisha, which is an American film, and there is no swords held by the lead male character. “The Last Samurai” also Ken Watanabe (who btw, is an incredible actor) is a sword movie, but hello? THE LAST SAMURAI! And one film I did not mention in my last comment was (also by Watanabe-san) “Letters from Iwo-jima” which in fact is a film everyone – even if you don’t like it – has to bow to, considering the amazing and extraordinary director behind it, Clint Eastwood. Talking about my man Clint, he has been working with Asians for a while now. His latest movie “Gran Torino” is about a big Asian community here in the US (Chinese, Hmomg) and the troubles they go through, and how an American war veteran (Korean war) helps them, and how they help him.
That said, please, do not think that it is offensive to be stereotype in American films. Ok, it is, but only when they are clichés and portraying the flaws in a tawdry kind of way. Examples (and these are movies I love) “You’ve Got Mail” the Juan security guy that Tom Hanks’s character calls when they get stuck in the elevator; Tom says: “Juan call the super, and then 911… 9-1-1… the fire department, that’s right.” Also, when they are in the supermarket, and the register girl, Rose, is talked down by Tom’s character, in a very subtle way, but nonetheless talked down. “One Fine Day” How George Clooney has to hand the phone over to the security guy at the museum, because the maid (who happens to be Hispanic) seems kinda stupid. And the list goes on. Yeah! When is like this, I get offended. However, I have to love “You’ve Got Mail” is one of my favorite movies ever. (SIGH)
Now, to answer why its not bad at all to have those roles. I think I have already answered that in many ways. I said before: “to make it in Hollywood they have to start from the bottom; there are no questions about that. Even the American actors have to undergo a series of lousy roles before hitting the jackpot. So, my theory is: If the actor is actually good, and has what it takes. Soon he would be doing more than kicking and fighting. He might have to hold a sword forever (which I doubt) but he wont be the bad guy or the assistant forever.”
And this brings me to the end of my frenzy with a wish: I hope that all of you who think this is a bad thing, would be happy that AT LEAST they are getting in Hollywood considering they are not Americans (and by this I mean Asian-American) and that eventually they will make it big. I particularly think that for Lee Byung Hun, GIJOE is just a stepping-stone for greater films. I can not talk about KSW because even when he did had convincing acting in Bad Love, I just see him as a cry-baby, I haven’t seen him doing other things. Well I did watched “We are Dating Now” one of his early dramas, and I liked his character. However, he is not as versatile as LBH has shown to be, and therefore has not convince me of his many acting skills. I only see one, which is CRYING!! Lol Sorry to all the diehard fans of KSW, don’t kill me please.
As for the action roles, i would guess this is in part to limited english skills. in PART – sure, maybe Hollywood doesn’t view Asians as romantic comedies leads. is this more racism or greed? i don’t really know.
but why do we care about Hallyu actors being in Hollywood films? isn’t part of the reason why we watch k-dramas and k-movies cause we think Hollywood and network TV puts out nothing but crap? at least, that’s my feeling. Seth Rogan? um – not interested.
one the other hand, Eternal Sunshine – that was one bada$$ movie, definitely the best in recent memory. but I would attribute that mostly to the mind-blowing script by Kaufman, though the directing was good.
@25, you’ve made some valid points, but I have comment about what you said about Asians having every opportunity not to accept stereotypical roles. For Asian Americans who understand Asian stereotypes, they accept these roles because they are willing to sacrifice their principles for the chance to act and hopefully make it big enough so that in the future, they won’t have to sacrifice their principles. For Asians abroad, they accept these roles because they look fun. Asians from Asia do not understand Western stereotypes about them. They don’t understand the race issues in America. To Hollywood, they are the perfect ones for the ninja roles. People like Bi, Kwon Sang-woo, and Lee Byung-hun are popular in Asia enough to increase box office numbers when they release the movie in Asia AND they won’t complain about the stereotypes. They won’t argue about it because they don’t know they exist! There is your perfect Asian actor! But then again, as an Asian American, maybe I’m a bit too sensitive about racial issues.
And I agree that Michael Gondry isn’t big as in blockbuster big, but he has a varied and packed resume in different fields of filmmaking. AND he has won an Oscar. Of course, this doesn’t mean The Green Hornet will be some awesome movie making it to #1 in the box office in its first or 2nd weekend. Every director has its flops and even mediocre directors have unexpected depths.
Back to the point of this blog entry: congrats Kwon Sang Woo!
@This Is Me Posting
“If I want him to direct a movie, we’ll see how it goes. Two entirely different beasts, young lady.”
It seems like you have a problem expressing yourself without being condescending. Good luck with that.
I can see why they’d be interested in KSW for a character like that. He was pretty good as a Bruce Lee wannabe sort of character in Maljukgeori janhoksa (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390205/ ). The only thing I’m worried about KSW working in Hollywood would be his English.
People!!!! I love LBH no doubt about it, I collect all his movies… and, well, we are not talking about LBH but KSW, lol. Anyway, understand that if you are not known in Hollywood (America) you are not going to be the lead of ANYTHING. So… get over it. This is a good thing for them, not bad. Its up to them, if it stays like this or if it goes to a bigger thing later on.
YAY! Not only a new Michel Gondry film but Kwon Sang-Woo!!!! Hopefully he won’t be pushed aside as an ‘elevated extra’….
sorry this is so random…but i’m cracking up at angry parsnip’s name.. so funny!
& i totally agree about hollywood being behind the times in recognizing the diversity already in our culture..i’m also a california/ west coast native & think it’s odd that HW still thinks it has to stick to stereotypes when we live in a complete multi-culti melting pot here in LA…
marcel. . .
thanks!
lots of people and various business I deal with like it, the only person who doesn’t is my x who hates it. boo hoo !
I lived in Laguna Beach and drove up to LA all the time… I miss it, good times !
I love this blog, City Hall is my new passion after Story of a Man
Thanks Javabeans !
I have to say, I’m surprised by your judgement on this one. First on KSW and second on The Green Hornet.
Let’s look at The Green Hornet first:
1. Seth Rogen, the guy who plays a version of himself in every film, attempting his first non-comedic role. Fail.
2. Cameron Diaz, whose career pretty much died off about 5 years ago (voice roles notwithstanding). Fail.
3. Nicolas Cage, who’s pretty much hit-or-miss these days. Semi-fail?
4. Michel Gondry. Sure he’s relatively well-known and respected, but this is his first action film, and even the die-hardiest of fans would find reason to be worried. (And before you draw on his music video credentials, remember that it’s one thing to create a 3 1/2 minute video and another to direct a full-length feature film. Just ask Kazuaki Kiriya and his mess of a movie Casshern.)
Now let’s look at KSW. Aside from melting teenage girls’ hearts by shedding tears, the guy lacks any depth or versatility in acting. Of course, that won’t be such a problem given the requirements for the role. Here’s the actual casting call:
[KATO] ALL ASIAN ETHNICITIES, Male, 20’s – early 40’s. Brit Reid’s manservant/chauffeur by day and Green Hornet’s martial arts-skilled sidekick by night. Actor doesn’t have to have Martial Arts experience.
http://spoilertv-movies.blogspot.com/2009/07/exclusive-green-hornet-casting-call.html
^ Yup, sounds like a great breakthrough role. At least Stephen Chow lent the project some credibility, but now that he’s gone…
I’m surprised people have such strong opinions to my opinion. It’s an opinion! You might hate the idea; I’m looking forward to it. This isn’t a Judd Apatow movie, so who knows, maybe Seth Rogen won’t be playing the exact same character this time.
GOOD LUCK KSW!
I think JDG might have a very good chance entering Hollywood.
To me, Stephen Chow is a legend. He’s a very good director and an actor. What was the name of his famous movie, Kung Fu….something?
I dunno who this director is but I will definitely check out Spotless Mind.
We have some really interesting discussions here which is a good thing, albeit a bit heated.
I grew up watching Green Hornet. May I say this is the only Hollywood thing in that era to have an interesting Asian role, in that Kato has quite a lot of lines to say (instead of just doing acrobat stuff) and his chemistry with his master is one of the watchable things of the series. This is also the series that springboarded Bruce Lee’s fame. His deadpan look is simply memorable!
Will this remake work? Like any other projects, it depends on what perspective they will take, the script, and how they will portray the characters. All these seem to be unknown at this stage but having Seth Rogen and Cameron Diaz got me worried. The Christian Bale-Batman series are really good remakes, adding much depth that was lacking in the previous franchise . Perhaps it is too high a bar to meet. We just don’t know but like to be surprised.
As far as KSW is concerned, I agree with aquala @ 26.
@mzpakipot
Kung Fu Hustle
Also, try watching The Science of Sleep.
Asians still have a long waste to go before they can be accepted in Hollywood like the other white actors but there are MANY MANY great Asian actors who didn’t play a role of ninjas, kungfus, samurai, etc. How about Min-A in ER and the Indian lady (forgot her name but she was in Kick it like Beckham) and Kim Yu Jin in Lost?
Some complained that Asians don’t get fair chances to make it to Hollywood and how they are being portrayed as a second class actor. How about all the white people who are shown in Korean dramas?? Korean dramas make the white people look so dumb, stiff, and no class. Sometimes I wonder where they found the white people to play the role in a Korean drama..ex-pats? tourists? ahahaha…
Does anyone know if Kwon Sang Woo speak decent English?
No dialogue, just action please! cut!.I
I wonder what is daniel henny doing in his role now in hollywood.
kwon sang woo!!! Why, no way. I never liked him. There are many hot actors out there, why him?
@38
I don’t think its a problem at all. Especially when I’m right.
But thanks for pointing it out, Captain Obvious. Keep it up.
I think it’s a problem. Play nice, please, or I’ll moderate more strictly in the future.
Ouch. Threatened with the ban stick. I feel just like a Korean high school student.
But fair’s fair. Your house, your rules.
Please accept my humble apologies to anyone was upset by or felt insulted because of my rantings. I didn’t mean to unsettle anyone’s delicate sensibilities.
Some Asians stars don’t translate well in Hollywood films. For example Gong Li. I LOVED her in most films but couldn’t bear to watch her in a film with Jeremy Irons. Sorry, forgot the name of the film, it was THAT awful!) And Miami Vice? Eeek. Gong Li is so beautiful and a great actress but those Hollywood produced films didn’t do her justice.
I’m certainly not threatening to ban anyone. Frankly I hate moderating and I do it as infrequently as possible. Unfortunately, I’ve seen that going completely unmoderated often leads to commenters feeling a wee bit too comfortable and sometimes the results are far from civil.
@ This Is Me Posting #25
How is complaining about the stereotypical roles that Asians get in America considered ignorant and racist?
We just don’t like how we’re being portrayed.
As for your “…SO MANY MORE Asians and Asian-filled roles in Hollywood film and TV lately…”” there really isn’t. And even if there was, does that mean we can’t seek improvement?
Are we supposed to be grateful just because we were thrown some scraps from the dinner table?
Now I do agree that some of the blame can be attributed to the Asian actors who take the roles in the first place.
Yes, I wish they wouldn’t do it either.
But the biggest issue is the type of roles Asians get offered in the first place.
Either way I don’t see why you’re so angry about us wanting to improve the situation.
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@ Laura
I see what you mean but the biggest difference is the amount of American/Western media that is imported to Korea and the rest of Asia.
If you go to a movie theater in Asia, almost half the movies are Hollywood or Western movies.
And the general population is also aware of American/Western TV shows, like Friends and Prison Break.
So even if Korean dramas portray westerners negatively, it’s all balanced out by the positive portrayals that Koreans see in Western media.
Now this of course doesn’t happen in America.
America rarely imports Asian movies, and even when it does, it’s rarely show in a lot of movie theaters.
And the same applies to Asian TV shows.
So that’s my main complaint. If Americans consumed the same amount of foreign media as Asians do, then I wouldn’t really care how Asians are portrayed in Hollywood films.
I loved him in More Than Blue ~!
What’s up with all the Korean actors going for comic related movies? (Daniel Henney in Wolverine) I’d be way more excited if they weren’t comic related.. Just not my cup of tea.. BUT it’s still amazing to see them coming to Hollywood (: Hope to see Kwon Sang Woo make his debut ~!
Kwon Sang Woo forever!! He’ll fit the role of Kato perfectly
@Jessica
Seriously? Did you read my comment… at all?
There’s nothing wrong with complaining about stereotypes… if there was any merit to the statement, and/or if the actors themselves didn’t have the ability to turn down stereotypical roles.
Regardless, let’s look at your point that there are “no good roles” out there for Asians. I can see how you could think that. Off the top of my head, recent American TV shows with strong Asian characters in lead and/or principle roles include:
- Grey’s Anatomy (~Korean)
- Cashmere Mafia
- Heroes (numerous. Booya) (~Korean)
- Lost (multiple again) (~Korean)
- Battlestar Galactica (~Korean)
- MadTV (~Korean)
- Law and Order: SVU
- Entourage
- CSI
- Eli Stone
- The Mentalist
- Dexter
- And my personal favourite: Iron Chef America
Okay, so in Heroes most of the Asians have powers… but so does every other character in the show. Hmm… 95% don’t use swords… A few can fight, but mostly for story purposes (BSG)… We’ve got doctors, cops, lawyers, WHOA! Even a GAY (*gasp!*) Asian character on that list… From shows that come from romantic dramas, cop shows, scifis, action/adventure, sketch comedy, dramatic comedy and even HBO programming. Oh! Interesting, not only do they date people outside their ethnicity, some of them date other Asians too… and most of these shows are… actually… doing… well? In fact, most of these shows are the top of their scheduled timeslots…
Hmm… Interesting. Please tell me more, Jessica, about how Asians are stereotyped in American media with their varied careers, lifestyles, personalities and storylines, playing these lead to principle roles in these top rated dramas. Please tell me more about these “scraps”. Because I, for one, completely understand how you don’t like being portrayed as interesting and varied characters. The audacity!
Once again, its a good idea to step back and look at what’s actually on the table before commenting on it.
Now, I made up that list in under 3 minutes, without really trying. I haven’t even included film roles, ’cause I didn’t want to rub it in too much. I’d like you to do the same for Native Americans, Iranians and Eastern Europeans in American media, please. Go ahead. I’ll make it easier for you: Try naming just three shows for each.
The reason I’m ranting, Jess, is because people say things without doing any research and proceed to say things that are… not very smart. They make assumption based on what other people are saying without going out there and learning for themselves.
If you had come to me with your repartee in 1992, you might have had a point. Now, you just sound like you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s okay to want people to have “better roles”. Its not okay to complain that no one ever gets these “better roles” when the evidence is very clearly against you.
Also, I’m trying, java, to be as nice as possible here.
P.S. HA! I JUST remembered Jon & Kate Plus 8. A few people watch that show, right? A couple of Koreans in that one too, I think…
And by the way… This:
So even if Korean dramas portray westerners negatively, it’s all balanced out by the positive portrayals that Koreans see in Western media.
Let me get this straight… It’s okay to portray Westerners negatively because there own media “balances out” their portrayal? So, in other words, it’s totally okay for Asian media to portray Westerns negatively, but not okay for Western media to portray Asians stereotypically (even if the stereotype is a positive character)?
*cough cough*
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@ Jessica (58). One of the reasons – that I can think of – as to why there a re very little Asian films imported in America is because – sadly to everybody else who is not American, but true – Hollywood is the most powerful film industry that there is… simple as that.
With this, I’m not saying ONLY Hollywood movies are good, or ONLY Hollywood movies should be exported, or ONLY anything. I’m just saying that as of now Hollywood, – while there are many other films from other countries that are awesome, example: “A Bittersweet Life” (Korean) “The Samurai” (French, Alain De Lon) and many others which I wont mention, the list I too long – is the mega power industry for films. And most of the aspiring directors, producers, script-writers/writers in general, actors, and many not so aspiring but already great on their own, want to make it in Hollywood.
And since I have been given the excuse to comment again:
I AGREE 100%, NO, 10,0100% AND MUCH MORE WITH (25) THIS IS MY POSTING, AND ANYTHING ELSE HE/SHE HAS SAID.
Oh, and thank you THIS IS ME POSTING for answering Jessica when she said:
“So even if Korean dramas portray westerners negatively, it’s all balanced out by the positive portrayals that Koreans see in Western media.”
I could not have put it in better words!
And sorry for misspelling your name earlier on my (63) comment.
Also… lmao! Sorry, I keep remembering things I forgot to say. Lol… Also, Jessica, I never said that I was against how Koreans portrayed westerners. If you go on reading you will notice that I also said:
“how many of us westerners actually live in Asia? Not many, and its known to all the world that we do not come from there either (I mean as a native or something of the sort) which means it would be VERY unrealistic if we were to be the lead characters of a typical Korean drama.”
Again: “it would be VERY unrealistic if we were to be the lead characters of a typical Korean drama.”
It is the same for Asians in America. Since most American films are typical American stories, or/and are written by American writers, who will mostly write about Americans; it is only natural that there will be very few roles for Asians to play (which, like THIS IS ME POSTING said, there is actually a lot of Asians on American TV and films, now more than ever.) And is the same for other cultures.
Now, If you live here in America, you should now that since 2000, according to the Census. The number one minority that live here in the US are Hispanics with a 12.5% of the population (the reason why there would be more Hollywood roles and/or movies that include Hispanics) The second minority are blacks/African Americans, with a 12.3% of the population (African Americans have more participation in Hollywood than Hispanics, why? Because they have been here for a longer period. In short, they have seniority.) Then, the third one are Asians and Pacific Islanders, with a 3.7%. Meaning that it would be more realistic if in a film there is more blacks or Hispanics than Asians.
Even though, there are lots, and lost of Asians in American TV. And they are not only portrayed as Ninjas or Samurais, but as very, very smart people with a strong and beautiful culture. Surely, something to be proud of.
psst…Samsooki…my last post was just making fun of Drew…just having a laugh…sorry if it came out condescending…(but c’mon, go with Natalie Portman or Emma Watson…)
OK. I can see KSW as Kato. Good choice. I felt Stephen Chow was too old. But, as the director, he is kick ass. However, that being said, as long as Seth Rogen is attached I will not be going to check this one out.
Although The Green Hornet was a campy 1960’s TV show, it was not a campy radio program. It was a crime fighting drama. The martial arts part did not become a part of it until Mr. Lee took over the character of Kato. He is the reason why that show was a hit.
With Seth Rogen attached it is sure to be an “action-comdey.” Happy for KSW if he gets the part. Sad for the Green Hornet franchise for keeping Rogen.
@ This Is Me Posting #61
First, you need to calm down a little. Take a breath ok?
Second, it’s funny how you seem to be the only person who can judge what’s good and has merit.
Perhaps you think those “good roles” are decent enough, but to me a lot of them are just rehashes of old stereotypical roles.
You have the foreigners (Lost, Heroes), the dragon ladies (Cashmere Mafia), the nerds and asexual Asian males (Heroes again, MadTV CSI, Law and Order: SVU, Entourage), and the rest are just throwaway side characters.
The only ones on your list that really have any meat would be Grey’s Anatomy, The Mentalist, and Battlestar Galactica.
Perhaps you think these roles are good enough and we should just accept it as it is.
But then you have movies like The Forbidden Kingdom or Dragonball that felt it necessary to cast a non-Asian character as the lead role because people might not relate.
Then you have other films like 21, which in the book emphasized that the real life characters were Asian because casino’s would be less suspicious of young Asian kids betting a lot of money. And yet in the movie the leads were recast as non-Asians.
And in the upcoming live action film, Avatar: The Last Airbender, which is based entirely on Asian themes has a non-Asian cast.
How suprirsing.
And I never said that Native Americans, Iranians, and Easter Europeans have it better. What does that have to do with anything?
Should we somehow be grateful just because we have it better than some groups?
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Maybe I wasn’t clear, or you just like to assume things.
I never said it was OK. I said the main difference is that Asians also watch Western media and thus the negative portrayls are balanced out.
And that if Americans watched just as much Asian entertainment, then I wouldn’t complain about our sterotypical American roles.
Anyway, thank you for telling me how I should think and disregard how I feel because you’re the only one that knows what’s right.
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@ Laura
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be dismissive or anything.
I agree with what your saying, that “…since most American films are typical American stories, or/and are written by American writers, who will mostly write about Americans; it is only natural that there will be very few roles for Asians to play…”
And likewise, that’s what happens in Korea and other Asian countries as well.
I guess my point was that even if this is the case, Asians will also watch American films and TV shows as well—as a result, there is a more balanced perspective.
(I grew up in a pre-dominately white area where the only thing my neighbors and classmates knew about Asians was from what they watched on TV.)
And that for me personally, if Americans watched a similar amount of Asian media, then I wouldn’t care how Asians are portrayed in American films and TV shows.
I guess I should also mention that perhaps I am a little biased because I have friends that are aspiring actors and they’ve told me horror stories of their time in the industry.
How casting directors will tell them to “FOB it up” and to speak with an accent.
I had one friend who was trying out for a generic walk-on role of “Asian delivery man” and told by the director he was too tall and “not Asian-looking enough.”
@69
Suck it up. I’ve been told I’m not White enough. My Jewish best friend was told by a casting director to stop pretending he was Jewish ’cause he didn’t look Jewish to her. Every single actor from every single ethnicity has gotten that line at least once. Part of showbiz. If they can’t handle it… door’s right over there. =>
@68
Yes, I pretty much am the “only person who can judge what’s good and has merit” in this case, because you’re being contrary to be contrary.
Your arguments regarding those TV roles are shallow and nescient. Example: Being upset that Asian people are playing foreign Asian characters. I don’t know about you, but in the world I live in, there are other countries in the world besides the USA. Some of those countries have Asian people and sometimes, those people come to America.
Shocking.
Furthermore, Future Hiro is quite evidentially integrated and Americanized by the time he becomes kick ass. Explain to me where you were going with this again? Also, there’s a HUGE difference between a “dragon lady” and a freakin’ Chinese-American socialite. The fact that I have to explain this too you indicates how ridiculous your counter-point was.
I’m dropping this argument simply because you’ve stopped making sense. I don’t know what you’re looking for in an Asian character and therefore, cannot formulate a rebuttal. If I’m understanding you correctly, Asians can’t be foreign (the hell?), can’t be straight, asexual or gay, can’t have powers in a powers related TV show, can’t be smart but apparently, can’t be dumb either, can’t be wimpy but can’t be assertive and ambitious, can’t be rich (and I assume can’t be poor) and can’t be “rehashed” (*snicker*) roles.
And apparently, some Asian characters don’t count while others do. Hmm. Interesting.
In all seriousness: Quit your job. Become a Hollywood writer. You’d fit right in.
The Canadian version of 21, called The Last Casino, which was way better in my opinion, had an Asian lead. He’s a cool guy too.
Regardless, you made a valid point about Asians in lead role re-casts because the American audiences might not relate. On THAT I can agree with you. It sucks and that should change. To counter balance, I also point out the great strides people like Jackie Chan, Chow Yun Fat, Michelle Yeoh and others have done to push Asian leads into the forefront of American cinema. Its not quite there yet, but unlike what you think, its changing.
Furthermore, pretty much everyone else in Dragonball was Asian. Furthermore again, Dragonball sucked. Are you really upset over Dragonball? Seriously, that’s one of your top cards?
Food for thought, though: http://www.dailycommercial.com/sports/story/718lpga
Read the story under the heading “The South Koreans.”
Regarding the other ethnic groups: Um, yeah. Kind of. I mean, at least you’re not stereotyped as zealot terrorists, drug dealers, hookers or English teaching rapists. At least you have some fair and balanced representation (despite what you might think) on American media. I notice you didn’t even TRY to name a single show for any of those ethnic groups. Good job. Well done. The fact that you even said what you said just shows how ignorant and racist you’re being.
As for the American/Asian media balance thing. Sorry. I don’t buy it. Just as how Western fans of Asian cinema go out hunting for Asian media in anyway shape or form (we are still on dramabeans, right? A site run by an American who watches Korean dramas? Hmm, interesting.), so too can I believe that Asian audiences can choose not to seek out American media if they don’t want to. I’ve yet to see anyone be forced to go watch a movie, EVER.
Your argument STILL boils down to: It’s okay for Asian to portray Westerns horribly, but not okay for Westerns to portray Asians stereotypically (even if they are portrayed positively). That, young lady, is what we call a “double standard.”
Anyway, thank you for telling me how I should think and disregard how I feel because you’re the only one that knows what’s right.
You’re welcome. I’m glad you’ve learnt something from me. I honestly don’t care how or what you “feel” about this argument because, as the great James Randi has been known to say: “No amount of belief makes something a fact.”
Your “beliefs” in this matter are utterly inconsequential. I showed you proof that Asians are portrayed well and diversely in American cinema. The history of cinema will show you that these roles have been and are constantly ameliorating to the point where there HAVE been Asian leads in American media. I also showed you proof that other ethnic groups, including ones indigenous to America have it MUCH worse than Asians. And with the exception of the argument that there have been Asian lead re-casts – which I give to you and admit that it does suck – you’ve shown me nothing to disprove anything I’ve put forth and displayed a fundamental lack of understanding of American media and how Asians have been portrayed in it.
You’re welcome to keep trying to best me in this argument, but I would advise against it. I’m out of your league.
@ This Is Me Posting
Again, I never said that, but you really like to assume these things don’t you?
I will say it clearly. It’s NOT OK for Asians to portray Westerners horribly.
And likewise, it’s not OK for Westerners to stereotype Asians.
That’s my complaint.
But if Americans watched as much Asian media as Asians watched American media, then I wouldn’t care how Americans portrayed Asians.
Go to any movie theatre in Asia. Almost 50% of the movies are from Hollywood.
I agree, these groups probably have it worse than Asains. So does that mean that as long as someone has it worse than me I can’t wish for something better?
You showed me what you beleive to be good and diverse portrayals. I could basically take that same list as proof they are tired and stereoyptical portrayals.
You really should re-read that Randi quote.
Anyway, I’m no match for your awesome argument skills. Next thing you should do is go tell African Americans that racism is over because we have a black president.
@ This Is Me Posting
By the way, I’m curious, is calling me “young lady” supposed to put me in my place?
I am enjoying this thread because some of us are and should be sensitive about being stereotyped in films as well as in real life. I grew up watching American TV and was an only Asian in my school.(grades 2-8) This is an exciting time for me, I started watching K dramas via my sister in law and never looked back. It is SO good. (Winter Sonata was my first K drama) I stopped watching Hollywood films and American TV many years ago. It was a personal choice. Hollywood is a very powerful industry. I decided I did not want to consume anything Hollywood. Do you remember Margaret Cho’s sitcom? That show was absolutely disgusting. I guess the only reason for any actor/actress to go “Hollywood” is money. You can make big money but for every success story, there must be thousands of horror stories. Hollywood has made mega bucks stereotyping different ethnic groups.Personally for me I can’t tolerate it. I don’t think Asians have ways to go in Hollywood. Why should Hollywood set the standard or dictate? Why should Asians “fit the mold” when it’s not always in a positive light? As I mentioned before, I love Gong Li and saw few of her Chinese films. Really beautiful films. Miami Vice? Ugh! Even Chow Yun Fat and Jackie Chan, I’d rather see their early Chinese films. It’s sooo much better. Yes, Hollywood is the most powerful, richest film industry but it’s not the only film industry on the planet. I just prefer Chinese films and Korean dramas to anything Hollywood. Hollywood is too cliche. I guess you can laugh at any one group being stereotyped in a film/tv but I find it disrespectful and gross. Sorry about the lengthy comment but I find this thread to be very interesting.
@70 “You’re welcome to keep trying to best me in this argument, but I would advise against it. I’m out of your league.”
Hahahahah, this is so true, but not in the way he means it. There’s so much circular logic that makes no sense and contradicts itself. This thread has been entertaining to say the least.
look all I want to know is if KSW can speak decent english.
I think it’s great he’s going to debut, but if he can’t honestly speak at least decent english, I expect a huge fail there.
but don’t get me wrong, I like him.
and I wish he would choose a role in which is not stereotypical, but he can do what he wants.
who knows? he might even be badass.
And finally,
Michel Gondry is a genius. Did you see the Science of Sleep? Fantastic! Who would have ever thought he’d take inspiration from a homunculus man too! And so was Eternal Sunshine. One of my favorite movies. If he’s taking part in it, I honestly can’t see it being horrible.
That’s just my opinion. haha and this IS entertaining. I spent a good 10 mins. probably reading people squabbling.
@73 Marni
I don’t think anybody is laughing at minorities in the US being stereotype. Im a minority in many ways; Hispanic, woman. And Hispanics have been stereotype very badly in Hollywood. But I guess you wouldn’t know that because you stop watching American films. People are not open, they only see their own side.
I never said that Hollywood was the ONLY industry out there. If you would actually read clearly what anybody writes, then nobody would have to repeat themselves for the sake of leaving the right impression.
This is what I said:
“Hollywood is the most powerful film industry that there is… simple as that.
With this, I’m not saying ONLY Hollywood movies are good, or ONLY Hollywood movies should be exported, or ONLY ANYTHING.” (←– see that Marni?)
“… while there are many other films from other countries that are awesome, example: “A Bittersweet Life” (Korean) “The Samurai” (French, Alain De Lon) and many others which I wont mention, the list I too long…”
This is what I said and it means exactly that:
NOT ONLY HOLLYWOOD… BUT SADLY, HOLLYWOOD IS WHERE YOU MAKE IT BIG RIGHT NOW. MAYBE LATER OTHER INDUSTRIES WOULD BE NUMBER ONE IN THE MOVIE BUSINESS.
I’m an artist in many ways. I write, draw and im in school for computer animation. The idea is to eventually make my own animated film. When you are an actor/director/writer, in short, an artist of any form, you seek recognition from others. Many artist only seek money, but for most is recognition. The biggest recognition for an actor or director is what? AN OSCAR, right? However, many actors/director etc, that can not make it in Hollywood for one thing or another, and happen to be good actors/directors/writers, will be happy and content with being just what they are and getting recognition from other awards and stuff like that, because an OSCAR will not defined how good the person is in terms of his career. I say this because my FATHER is one hell of an actor, and will never be able to enter Hollywood for political reasons, even though, my dad is well respected for the great actor/director/writer that he is… yep he is all of those things. Still even when is not an OSCAR he has gotten a bunch of awards, and is recognize as a talented person.
Should I hate Hollywood because Cubans play (for the most part) as Italian gangsters, or rafters, or dumb security guards, or gay artists, or revolutionary rebels? Oh wait, no that’s not right, that was a Colombian actor who played El Che. I love American films, when they are good. I like watching the Oscars and I always pray for a non-American movie star to win. I was so proud of Rinko Kikuchi!!! Yeah! She rocked in “Babel” but again, I guess you wouldn’t know that Marni, since you don’t watch American films.
Im going to stop writing on this thread. People read what you write and take it the wrong way. Is like writing a Bible (God forgive me) People read it and take it in their own way, and follow it in their own way. Its kind of annoying.
One more thing;
Why – instead of saying what they should or shouldn’t do – don’t we go ask KSW, or better yet – since I don’t know his merits – LBH, who is no dummy whatsoever. The man has a French Literature major, a theater and Cinematography major; knows like four or five languages, has a badass trajectory of dramas and films; surely he knows what’s best for him. Why don’t we ask him why he chose to be stereotype in a Hollywood production? Or even, if HE thinks he is being look down in any way? Then this discussion, that is turning so negative, would lose its validity.
TSK TSK TSK TSK!!!! I just did major research on a Lee Byung Hun web site I visit often, but never really read the interviews with the actor, and this is what I found out.
They have translated an interview with LBH and in the interview, he clearly says… the actor says… Lee Byung Hun himself says… (is that clear? I hope) He says, he was offered by Hollywood a role in the film “The Guardian” with Kevin Costner, as Kevin Costner’s subordinate – a role which has nothing to do with martial arts or swords or anything like that – and he refused the role. To Later on accept the role as Storm Shadow in GIJOE? Why? Because, clearly GIJOE is going to be a blockbuster hit and it will bring more attention to him than playing a subordinate in “The Guardian”
Kids, and younger adults want to see an ass kicking ninja and not a subordinate in a film about a traumatize life rescuer.
So, all of you who say Asian actors have no other choice but to play stereotype roles as there are no other roles offered to them…. please shut up!!! Go and actually find out if in fact there had been roles – other than ninja roles – offered to them.
This is the website for those of you who don’t believe:
http://twitchfilm.net/archives/005681.html
THATS IT! For real, this time im done with this.
Good for KSW if he accepts the role! Ill support even when I don’t follow the actor.
AND LEE BYUNG HUN…. FIGHTING!!!!! Ill definitely be there, first row, August 7.
Dear Laura, Yes, it is my choice. I don’t watch Hollywood films anymore. I just find K dramas more entertaining. I’m like looking for a life altering experience, I just want to be entertained. It’s a wonderful to be able to pick and choose, no? I don’t think getting an Oscar means much. I like KSW and wish him the best and it is his choice to do whatever. I hope he makes mega bucks and that’s one of the reasons to make it in Hollywood, in my opinion. With a few exceptions, Americans did not produce the best artsy films. You don’t need to respond and attack me for expressing my opinions. I think we can both agree that we enjoy K dramas/movies/stars. Isn’t that why we come to this forum/website? Peace.
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Hey guys I just checked out the IMBD site and things are looking pretty bad for Kwong Sang Woo if things keep continuing this way. What im talking about is on the IMBD postboard there are literally hundreds of anti-korean celeb people posting topics of how it would be lame to hire kwon sang woo to play the role of kato. They are even dissing Lee Byung hun and Rain. Im doing the best right now to post comments of how a wonderful job kwon sang woo would do if he was given the role, but the odds are against me heavily. Its me against like 100 anti-korean celeb people lol.
I personally believe this era and time is critical for asian celebs to break into the US Market. We need to work as a team regardless of which subgroup we are from in Asia. Are you guys with me??
Help me by going into the IMBD site in the green hornet section and posting topics of how wonderful kwon sang woo would be for the role. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to read this you guys. ASIA together as ONE!!!
wow what a thread to read.
i won’t comment much but for this. Seth Rogen as the Green Hornet? i see fail all around. I was watching Comic Con 09 and ugh. i love my super hero movies but this one i cannot get behind.
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