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Heirs: Episode 13

This episode steps it up on the humor front, which is a welcome turn because oh my god the mopey angst. Who has the patience for that? Not that angst has gone anywhere today, but at least it’s taking a bit of a backseat while characters step it up with confessions, decisions, and acts of teenage rebellion. Okay, maybe not all of those things are steps up in a traditional sense. But steps forward are nothing to sniff at, especially when they’re so few and far between.

Wow, Heirs took a huge jump in the ratings this week (Secret just ended), and took home a 20.9% rating. Pretty Man premiered with a lowish 6.3%, which is still better than the languishing Medical Top Team at 5.7% (which, believe it or not, is a big jump up from its 3.6% last week).

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EPISODE 13 RECAP

After outing the truth of his birth to his would-be in-laws, Tan comes to Eun-sang emotionally drained. Without knowing what’s going on, she senses his turmoil and mirrors his tears.

Tan repeats her words from California when she’d offered to take his hand and run away when he’s in danger, and he asks if those words are still valid here in Korea. She shakes her head no. He looks further crushed at that, but then Eun-sang steps close to envelop him in a hug.

Rachel and her mother go home in a temper—it’s an insult to them, and an engagement is out of the question now. Still, Rachel’s mother decides to hold off on breaking the engagement formally for a while, because the two Kim brothers are about to launch into a stock-buying spree in a race to push each other out. That will drive up the price of the stock, and Mama wants a piece of that action. How coldly practical.

Rachel berates Young-do for sitting on this important piece of information, but to her surprise he tells her to keep this secret: “It’s not a request, it’s a warning.” Rachel is understandably confused to find him protecting Tan and asks why. He replies, “Because it’s the best thing I’ve done till now. And also the thing I did most to hurt Tan.”

Tan brings Eun-sang to Myung-soo’s workshop and fiddles with the lock, saying they can spend the night here. He asks where she spent the last few nights, and I don’t understand why Eun-sang just doesn’t tell him she crashed with Bo-na. What’s with all the withholding?

Instead, she asks why he was crying, and they dodge each other’s questions for a while (he jokes that his tears are from global warming endangering the penguins). Someone tugs at the door, but Tan assures her that they’re in no danger of discovery, because he changed the passcode. Ha. So Myung-soo bangs and yells for a while, then goes away.

Tan grumbles to see Young-do calling her again and answers the phone, calling himself her boyfriend and dismissing Young-do. Then he complains to see the photos from the class trip showing Young-do and Eun-sang together, which gets her eye-rolling at his nagging.

Eun-sang takes out her books to study (making another dig at Tan’s last-place ranking that nettles his pride) and he sits watching her back for a long while. Finally he settles down to sleep, and as she watches him sh murmurs, “Dream nice dreams.” Only to have him reply right away, “I already am. You’re there, in front of me.”

They leave the workshop in the morning and are barraged with flash photos, paparazzi-style. Ha, so Myung-soo camped there all night, half-wild with hunger and cold, and crows that his pride wouldn’t let him go before he got his money shot.

They end up riding together to school, and Myung-soo stubbornly refuses to delete his photos. Tan readily admits they’re dating and mentions the hugging last night, to Eun-sang’s chagrin and Myung-soo’s glee.

They walk onto campus side by side, and today he offers her his hand and prods, “Let’s try having courage.” She hesitantly takes his hand, apologizing for taking so long to do so, causing jaws to drop as they pass.

They’re stopped by Young-do, and as usual Young-do tries to stop Eun-sang from leaving while Tan orders her to walk away. Ugh. I have no problem with Tan trying to spare her the drama, but I cringe every time he talks to her like she’s a puppy to direct: “Walk straight ahead.”

Young-do expresses disappointment over Tan revealing his birth secret himself, because he was looking forward to being the one to drop that bomb. Tan says that it’s not too late for Young-do to spread the words and tells him to go ahead; he doesn’t intend to swoop in with damage control, either, and will take everything that comes his way.

Rachel corners Eun-sang in the broadcasting room and calls Tan there to have it out with them. She slaps Tan, sneers at him for being illegitimate, then tells him he should be the one clinging to her. Eun-sang takes issue with Rachel’s general bitchiness, but Rachel says condescendingly that a classless nouveau riche like her can’t understand how bloodline is equivalent to a crown in their class.

Tan states firmly that he doesn’t want Rachel, and she brings up his mother as a last resort/threat. She wonders why Madam Han would pose as Eun-sang’s mother to the PTA and insinuates that she’ll be digging into the story, but Tan tells her to keep her nose out of his mother’s business, as well as Eun-sang’s and his own.

Then he parks himself out of the girl’s bathroom, having seen Eun-sang go in and worrying that she’s crying. Bo-na protests when he shoos her away, calling herself Eun-sang’s savior for hosting her. Tan lights up in relief and gives her an unexpected high-five, and Bo-na freaks out and goes running to Chan-young. I love how she always makes everything about herself, in a cutely misguided way.

Eun-sang isn’t in a flood of tears (thank goodness), but worries for Tan’s sake. She asks if there’s really nothing she can do to protect him. There isn’t, but the question makes his day.

Ye-sol snipes at Bo-na to watch make sure Eun-sang doesn’t steal her boyfriend, and manages to get in a dig at everyone: at Eun-sang for being a man-stealer, at Chan-young for being a nobody’s son, and at Rachel for getting dumped by her fiancé. Ye-sol really is the worst type of mean girl, terrorizing the weak and sucking up to the strong, enjoying seeing people being torn down.

She looks nervous when Rachel overhears her comments but sticks to her bravado, sneering that Rachel’s family is heading for ruin. She all but calls Rachel’s mother a gold-digger, and that gets Rachel fired up. So I’m not even sympathetic when Rachel asks loudly, “What were you thinking when you hid the fact that your mother is a room salon madam?” The hallway of students immediately starts buzzing, while Rachel invites Bo-na to lunch together. Uh-oh. Lunch is never just about lunch in this school.

Thus Ye-sol finds herself facing the victim’s seat, fearful of sitting down and sealing her fate as new target. Rachel takes Young-do’s place as the menacing bully perfectly, but Bo-na looks uncomfortable and guilty, especially when Chan-young arrives and sees what’s going on. Bo-na says defensively that there’s a valid reason for this, but it’s a pretty lame-sounding excuse.

Tan arrives and sizes up the situation, then makes a show of grabbing a plate and taking that seat for himself. He plays obtuse as he pretends this is just a normal lunch, upsetting the social order and discomfiting everybody.

Then Young-do arrives and says Tan’s breaking the rules—to demonstrate what that seat means, he dumps a plate of curry on him. Tan replies that he’s the one who made the rules, and these things can be changed. He flings his dirty jacket in Young-do’s face and orders him to have it cleaned.

Eun-sang pulls Tan away, and Chan-young takes Bo-na aside. The crowd disperses and the two almost-siblings stew in their thwarted violence. Poor babies.

Eun-sang chides Tan for stirring up more antagonism with Young-do, which he argues was unavoidable given what was unfolding. At the same time, Chan-young tells Bo-na that she was stooping to Ye-sol’s level by retaliating, and that he’s disappointed in her. Bo-na argues that Ye-sol had denigrated him as a secretary’s son, but he says that if Bo-na was angered by that, it means she was ashamed (and therefore agreed), which is not logic that makes any sense to me. Bo-na gets offended right back and stomps off.

Tan returns home to a furious father and nervous mother and faces his punishment. Chairman Dad isn’t in a forgiving mood and kicks Tan out of the house, ordering him to turn in his phone, credit cards, even the coat off his back. Yeesh. Calling the engagement Tan’s insurance for a smooth life, Dad barks that he has no need for the idiot who’d throw that away.

Tan just complies without complaint, merely asking to take his school uniform—and paying Dad back for its price later. He says, “I know that Rachel was insurance for my life, but insurance shouldn’t become my life.”

Mom pleads with him not to go, wanting him to beg Dad to change his mind. But Tan walks out, and heads straight to Eun-sang’s cafe… where he asks her to pay his taxi fare. Haha.

Eun-sang thwacks him for taking a taxi when he’s broke, which is a totally valid complaint, and gives him a glass of water instead of a fancy beverage he can’t pay for. Tan says “I’ll pay you back later” with the nonchalance of somebody who’s never been poor, and I have to laugh at how he states that he’ll just work hard and make his own fortune, like it’s just a matter of deciding to do that.

Thinking to borrow funds, he calls together the gang—Chan-young, Hyo-shin, Bo-na, and Myung-soo—asks expectantly who will house him, feed him, or give him rides. LOL. Oh, princess. He’s met with a wall of silence and blank faces. But even then he turns down Hyo-shin’s offer to stay with him, because his mother is scary. Well yes, she is, but beggars can’t be choosers, no? Looks like somebody could stand to suffer a little more.

Hyo-shin’s scary mother lives up to her name by informing him of his admissions interview tomorrow, which he’d purposely skipped the last time. He’s stunned to learn she pulled strings to get him that interview—and a faked medical note. It’s enough to make him snap, and he breaks down, asking how far she’s going to go: “Do I have to die for it to end?”

Scary Mom turns to him with a stone face to say that making threats using himself no longer work on her: “I won’t allow you to give up on yourself.”

Madam Han comes to Eun-sang’s cafe looking for Tan, and chides her for being stubborn and not coming home herself. I guess all the parents just kick out their kids as threats, and it makes them look bad when the kids manage just fine on their own. Still, Madam Han seems to feel genuinely bad about it, and wants Eun-sang to come back for her own sake as much as it is to also set the example for Tan.

When Tan shows up, Madam Han urges him to go home with her so they can beg his father to relent. He’s feeling no such urgency and declines, and therefore Eun-sang decides that Madam Han has a point and agrees to return to the house. Tan gapes while his mother beams, and it’s really cute how Madam Han immediately switches sides to link arms with sensible Eun-sang.

Even so, Tan isn’t changing his mind and merely asks his mother to take care of his girlfriend.

He heads to hyung’s hotel room, and gets the door shut in his face. Aw. But then Won opens the door, perhaps feeling too sorry now that Tan doesn’t actually have anyplace to go. AW. This alone makes it all worth it.

Tan happily eats dinner while Won works, and there’s something about Tan’s uncertain hopefulness around his brother that emphasizes his youth. Won takes a call from Manager Yoon about the recent (secret) transfer of Jeguk stocks, and how they’re being moved to back Tan.

Tan freezes to hear that brief conversation and asks if this involves him. Won tosses a credit card at him and tells him to get his own room.

But to his surprise, Tan is denied a room by the clerk—he may be Jeguk royalty, but the hotel is Young-do’s domain. He has provided a sketch of Tan’s face as persona non grata and labeled it “KIM TAN kekeke.” And of course Tan’s first complaint is “Is this what I look like?”

Young-do pops by to gloat in his face and tells him he’ll have to go back to his hyung, the source of so much pain. But Tan realizes he likes that idea better and thanks Young-do for his help, which takes that smile off his face.

Tan ends up on his brother’s couch after all, and tries to strike up a conversation. Won pretends to sleep to avoid talking, but Tan muses aloud anyway, saying that he has so many things he wants to ask his brother.

Won drops him off at school in the morning, and Tan briefly tries pressing his luck by asking for a pick-up later before deciding against it. Ha. He sends hyung off with a cheery wave… and Won catches a glimpse of a familiar face walking toward the school: Hyun-joo, taking her new job as teacher here. Won has to stop himself from going after her.

Chairman Dad calls in Manager Yoon regarding the upcoming sale and transfer of stocks, ordering him to officially put in Tan’s name the shares that were bought under borrowed names. And if there is any indication of shareholders selling, he is to buy them at a higher price. Rachel’s mother is a key figure in this, because she holds such a large amount.

Last but not least, Chairman Dad orders him to make the study abroad preparations for Eun-sang, because merely sending her to Jeguk High didn’t have the intended effect of separating them.

At school, Eun-sang asks how Tan’s night was, knowing immediately that he’s lying about lightheartedly chatting with his brother. She urges him to come home and offers him some pastries, and he lurches forward to eat from the other end of the one in her mouth. He muses, “I’ve been thinking about it, and our progress has really been too slow.” IS WHAT I’M SAYIN’.

She blusters that they’re going fast enough, what with their rooftop kiss, and that makes him perk up: “Have we decided to go ahead and do that now?” Lol.

Hyo-shin ends up going to his admissions interview, though he’s far from compliant about it—he scoffs at the story that he collapsed before the last interview and states plainly that he never applied.

Madam Jung calls Tan in to rip into him for breaking the engagement, saying that Chairman Dad had to fight his own brothers and nephews to claim his spot, and that there are ongoing lawsuits with all of them. Yeesh. With Won only recently becoming president and Tan’s birth secret at risk of disclosure, he risks not only his place but is all but inviting more warfare.

Eun-sang’s boss informs her that the cafe will be closed to a private party for two hours, and who should walk in but Young-do, having resorted to this to get her attention. She refuses to join him, though, and studiously ignores him as she goes about her duties anyway, leaving him to sit around alone and bored.

Finally he pours out half his drink onto the floor to get her to react, which at least does the trick. Gah. Young-do is so the epitome of a spiteful cat, only with more destructive power. Don’t do it, don’t join him! Don’t reward bad behavior!

But she reluctantly takes a seat across him and demands to know what he wants from her. He replies, “For you to answer your own phone. For you to reply when I talk to you. For you to say hi when our eyes meet.” It’s a tragically simple list of desires. If only he hadn’t pissed away the right to ask those things by being such a royal ass, which is why Young-do’s such a sad character, being his own enemy and all.

Eun-sang acknowledges his feelings of her and apologizes for avoiding him, and says that there’s only one thing left for her to do: “Reject your feelings. I’m sorry.”

That’s a genuine blow to Young-do, who struggles to find the glib facade he uses as defensive shield. “I really got rejected,” he says. “Can I get revenge on you?” She says that it would be nice if he didn’t, “But if that’s your level then I’ll have to accept that as part and parcel of being the rejecter.”

But Young-do admits, “I can’t harass you anymore, because it hurts my heart.” Annnnd just as you think he’s turned around a bend, he adds, “So I’m going to torment everyone except for you.” Insert eyeroll here.

Young-do broods with his hurt feelings for a bit, and then heads to the broadcasting room to take over the PA system. Broadcasting to the whole school, he offers up an interesting story about Jeguk’s second son, and as he builds up curiosity, our main players realize what he’s about to do: Rachel’s eyes widen, Eun-sang races through the corridors, and Tan… just walks slow and surely, toward Young-do perhaps.

Young-do teases his audience with a lengthy intro and a quote: “Your enemy is not the one who faces you with knife in hand, but the one who hides his knife behind his back and stands at your side.” Uh, are you the enemy in this scenario, backstabbing former friend?

In any case, Young-do talks until Eun-sang bursts into the room and turns down the mic, and he adds after the fact, “Ah, the person I’ve been waiting for.” Is this another “Look at me” tactic?

She shoves him toward the door, but he grabs her arm and refuses to let go: “I’ll have to let go soon enough anyway, so I won’t let go now.” Then he shoves her against the door, just in time to lock the door before Tan can open it. The boys see each other through the window and it’s enough to get Tan beating on the door in a rage.

Young-do references the “everyone else” he intends to torment, “which includes Tan. And also myself.”

 
COMMENTS

Oy, Young-do. He really needs to learn basic communication skills, which is ironic given how quippy and smooth-talking he can be. But yunno, sometimes the substance of what you say is a lot more important than the style with which you say it, which is also a lesson I think our dear writer could stand to learn.

It’s too bad that he’s a character who takes ten steps back with every step forward, because I feel like there’s such wasted potential for his character. I won’t say that he’s making zero progress, but it’s just so unsatisfying how he undoes any bit of progress he’s on the verge of making. I can relate to Eun-sang in this regard, where every time he says something mature I harbor hope that this is a turning point… and then he negates that with the very next thing.

I almost felt for him a few times today, and I no longer doubt that he is, in fact, able to feel human emotions. But was there ever a more stupidly sad character with such pointlessly nihilistic tendencies? You can’t even call him tragic because it’s not like Fate his screwed him over or that he is at the whims of stronger powers—he IS the stronger power, and yet he’s actively making himself a victim. Of himself. Yes, he has a terrible father, but that’s not an excuse to be a dick. He’s just screwing himself over in his need to act out at the world, and I have little patience for that. Even worse, little sympathy.

I got a few laughs out of Tan’s exile from home, and I sincerely hope it lasts a while. For one, the upstairs-downstairs stuff Chez Kim hasn’t been as exciting as it could’ve been, and for another, we could use a change of pace. But most of all, it gives the Kim bros a chance to spend some time together, however awkwardly, and it’s been such a crying shame that we haven’t had more scenes with them thus far.

Won is such a wasted character, in that there’s an inherent richness of conflict between the setup putting the two brothers at odds with each other, only we haven’t been given sufficient information to understand Won. Thus his extreme hostility toward his kid brother was beginning to be aggravating rather than sympathy-inducing. With Tan kicked out of the house, Won sort of has to step it up and play the part of the hyung in a way he shunned before.

As we’ve noted previously, Jeguk is being treated much more as a faux royalty setup rather than simply chaebols, because the obsession with bloodline purity and succession doesn’t really make sense in a strictly modern-business sense. I take it with a grain of salt because the monarchy/crown motif is clearly intended, but even so I don’t think it’s entirely successful because every episode I’m about to lose patience with all the sneering at bastardy and inheritance rights. Given that it isn’t an actual monarchy, who cares about bloodline when we’re talking stocks and cold hard cash? Speaking of which, I don’t really care about the stock wars on the horizon (hopefully those don’t take too much screentime because yawn), but if we can at least build some brotherly bridges before they kick in, maybe there’ll be hope for Jeguk after all.

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THIS WAS MY FAVORITE EPISODE BY FAR!!! more human interaction lol

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Agreed!!! I love that they finally started to delve more into the interactions between the lesser characters. I just want to hug Hyo-shin!! He needs it STAT!

Young-do, you're breaking my heart. He's like a tornado right now, destroying everything in his path. He also needs a hug.

Anyone else giggle at his scene with Rachel? Because all I could think about was the fanfic someone posted last week that started exactly like their first scene...Rachel goes to visit him in his hotel. Yada yada yada, it's the next day!!!!!! LOL.

Seriously, I love BoNa and Cha Young. He was so disappointed in her. I think this will only make them stronger. Fighting!

And finally, the sleepover with Big Bro was all kinds of cute. Tan is so excited to hang out with his Big Bro, even begging him to pick him of from school. hehehe.

It's getting better!

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"He’s like a tornado right now, destroying everything in his path. He also needs a hug."

Sometimes Young-Do reminds me of the Tasmanian Devil (AKA Taz) -- animated cartoon character featured in the Warner Brothers "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" series of cartoons.

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That is a perfect description of Young-Do; he is a tornado and he so definitely needs some love or just a hug.
* in part, i think that is why he is attached to ES; she, at least, communicates caring towards him even if she doesn't really care or want to know him. Young-Do's character has a lot of potential.
* same with Won; i want them to explore that relationship

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What the heck is Young-do doing?

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Demonstrating how NOT to get the girl you like to EVER like you back? If that's not it, then I really have no clue. He's definitely his own worst enemy.

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I want YD to be a valuable, redeeming character, so bad, because the actor playing him is KILLING IT. KWB is so good, but YD is written so poorly and with such little character arc that there’s only so much the actor can do. YD is so aggressively unlikeable, it’s dizzying. He really does take at least 20 steps back, for every one unenthusiastic step forward, and its seems like we’re basically back to episode 1 with him.

But anyway, I continue to be really interested in HS, and think that kid should get his own spin-off.

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I don't know, Young-do seems pretty realistic to me. This is how real people behave. They are always afraid of being hurt that any time they think they are showing weakness, they step up the protection around themselves. That being said, I still hate Young-do so much, good job KWB for me making him so believable.

I love Tan and Eun-sang more every week, they are so adorable together.

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@Rushie - It is the strong personalities who are more afraid of getting hurt and trying to prevent that hurt at any cost. In that sense, YD's retaliation is realistic.

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That's what I was thinking. He's a terrible guy, but truth be told there are terrible people like that and some of them never change because that's their way of being and to them that's normal.

In fact, if they want to be realistic, they wouldn't redeem him (though I bet they will, even if last minute, because they always do in k-dramas. He'll be friends with Tan again and friends with Eun Sang too. Which is unrealistic.).

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I totally agree about YD being realistic! When I was in high school, there were some jerks whom I thought wanted to be understood but they turned out to be snobs and insecure asses when it was crunch time!

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I think you have a point here. As a high school teacher at a private school I can say some of this behavior is realistic. It may not be what we want to see in a drama, but it happens. We just had a student expelled for behaving like Young-do, including bullying the girl he liked. And we had a group of girls that would put Rachel and her posse to shame (they were threatened with expulsion and changed their tune). So aside from the rich kids setting that seems incredibly fake, the biggest problem that I have is that the actors are too old to play these roles. If the actors were actual teenagers it would be easier to accept the behavior. But with older actors you keep expecting them to act in a more mature manner. I don't know how to say this, but you can actually "see" them trying to act younger, and it all seems incredibly fake. Lee Min-Ho is cute, but the whole 18 yr old puppy thing is not working with me. When he is with his brother is weird, because they are only two years apart. And Woo Bin seems more like a gangster than a HS student because of his age.

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@Liana - I thought YD was one of the well-written (I don't mean good) characters in the drama. He is written as an evil guy who changes because of love. And I thought the writer was doing that but I honestly don't know where she is going with YD after this episode. I would be mad if he does not receive redemption. KWB's stellar performance is the only thing that makes me stick with this drama. And may be some of the side characters too.

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My problem with Young-Do is that he has done nothing to deserve redemption. He has not grown or changed tactics in any discernable way. As I've said before, Kim Woo-Bin is a great actor, and Young-Do is certainly interesting. But that's not enough to make me root for Young-Do.

Everyone's cheering that he developed feelings for a girl. But look at how he handles even that. It's all about him imposing his feelings on her, and what she wants and feels doesn't seem to matter to him. She has made it clear time and time again in many little ways that she doesn't want him - if she's not answering her phone, that's a big tip-off! And in this episode Eun-Sang came out and told him plain as day that she is not interested.

Yet still he persists in pursuing her and starting up trouble. That whole business with the broadcast was ridiculous. "I want to take revenge on you, so I'll torment the people you care about (Tan)" showed he hasn't changed much at heart. If you keep bugging someone after they tell you to leave them alone, it's clear you don't care about them - it's all about what YOU want. And frankly, Young-Do's man-pain over his Mommy issues just isn't enough to justify everything (or almost anything) he does.

I don't know if this is a writing or a translation issue, but I was really irate at Eun-Sang's line to him in the cafe: "I have to accept that you will take revenge on me since I rejected you." Um, no you don't. You are not obligated to love someone and return their feelings, and it bothers me because it seemed like the writer was saying Eun-Sang was partially at fault here.

This is where Kim Tan wins for me over Kim Woo-Bin. As many people have pointed out, he has a checkered past too. And his earlier actions toward Eun-Sang were kind of selfish. But he has shown honest growth and change by breaking off his engagement and pursuing an honest relationship with Eun-Sang (who -very important point here- actually returns his feelings). If they want to show real growth or "redemption" for Kim Woo-Bin, they should do it by having him actually do something to be a better person.

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I don't know if this is an inappropriate comparison, but if you look at the bully in School 2013 (can't remember his name!), he was equally abominable as YD in the beginning; however, he came across so much more realistic and logical. He also didn't go through any extreme dramatic character changes, and, in fact, remained his brusque self through the very end. Still, you could see him soften a bit, and work to control his anger (and that’s pretty much the redemption I’m talking about.) YD doesn’t really come across as a regular, high school bully/troubled teenage kid, but a complete, utter sociopath/mob boss. Yes, his dad is abusive, and his mom abandoned him, but that's pretty much it. He's extremely wealthy (unlike the School 2013 bully), has some close friends, and can build a life pretty much anyway he wants to. Yet he basically chooses to be a terrorist.

What I hate the most is about him is that he seems to have no point in the drama, other than to stir up the drama. His attraction to ES makes no sense, and is complete fan service. I get that he hates Tan and is psychotic, so if he was maybe just using ES to get mess with Tan, I’d understand that. Even if he started to like ES (who in this scenario, would have some visible personality), I’d be okay with that, except YD didn’t even show any capacity for human anything until episode 11 or 12 to begin with. It’s wayyy to unnatural at this point. If the writer had shown some a flicker of humanity in him from the start, I might understand, but at this point, he’s just a robot THAT. MUST. DESTROY. TAN.

The writer keeps making these 180 degree changes with him, left and right, that can’t keep it all straight. That’s kind of why I hate him. The rest of the love triangle is at least consistent in their horribleness, you know?

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I thought he was gonna rape her with Tan watching for a moment! the way he shoved her was shocking!

i actually started liking him last ep~ Now..i think it has gone poof and i went back to hating him...aigoooooo

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I didn't think he was going to rape her, but I was pleading out loud, "Please do not force-kiss her. Do not make this bad situation worse." Sigh of relief.

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Exactly!!Grow up YD....KT has. Right now, KT is my man. I like his confidence to stand up for things and not be afraid anymore. I seems like the writers have glorified KT's role but I guess that is because he reflected on his past and now wants to take a stand for his mother and for the girl he loves. I can't wait to see some KW/KT time. I love these brothers. BoNa is still my favorite!
I still swear...one great kiss from these two leads will make me like KT&ES more than KW&ES! JUST ONE really Daring and seductive!

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Another theory. Woo bin has such magnatism and so much more chemistry (even if it's sort of at PSH rather than with her), that if his character were less of a jerk, the whole story would fall apart, because LMH and PSH are just not selling the couple at all.

This week was a lot better in that regard than it's been, but still. Even with Young Do being such a brute, I still ship him and PSH more than PSH/LMH. And honestly, I want them main three to go away, and just follow the supporting cast.

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I agree 100% with you, I feel like the writers keep Young Do's "growth" down because honestly if he were to have redeemed himself earlier and more completely I would have fallen for him ten times over! I want to route for him, and Woo Bin has such chemistry on screen, but i understand how viewers feel he hasn't grown enough to deserve a happy ending.
I know it is wrong, but I feel for him and ship him with ES more than with KT. Something about Lee Min Ho's character in this series has absolutely no attraction for me. Maybe I just have incurable second lead syndrome.
SIDE NOTE: I feel some comparison to the Taiwan drama My Princess is in order, I feel Terry is as a character is in a similar situation to Young Do.
Even though Terry was written as the second lead, the actor who played him had so much more chemistry with the lead actress and had so much charisma that more viewers were pulling for him in the end and the writers actually change directions with the drama last minute to (sort of) give him a happy ending with the lead.
I wonder if the writers of Heirs saw a this kind of thing might happen with Young Do's character? Honestly the whole America part of the show was supposed to be romantic but i found the simpler meet up between Young Do and ES at the convenient store to be a whole lot sweeter. I feel like the writer is playing with people's perceptions of Young Do... giving us what we want from him then quickly taking it away with his stupid actions to keep reinforcing the lead (LMH) on us.

*Sigh...
I just hope Woo Bin gets to play a romantic lead soon in a drama, I feel if he ever does though, my heart would explode! :)

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This is exactly what I think as well. Just last week I said that this show had a big problem with a second lead who was just far more charismatic than the lead. It wasn't just a case of second lead syndrome, it was a case of second lead outshining the lead. The shows needs the triangle conflict, but Kim Woo Bin has been so good in the part that there has been a danger of audience mutiny. I think they're trying to remedy his appeal by making the character frustrating. Nothing is more frustrating in a story than lack of growth.
That's okay though. Even if they try to dial back his character, Kim Woo Bin still nearly walked off with a show that had a hugely popular actor as its lead. You can't have a better recommendation for your acting than that. Just watch, his career is about to BLOW UP.

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YES YES More WooBin!!

Sign me Up!

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Wow!!!! What a wonderful ep. today! I died with the cute, the emotional, the bravery (KT and ES), and the comic relief. That was just awesome.

I don’t think I have as many questions today as I have had in the past, though one never knows, more might arise, as I read posts and get answers to my questions. On to the few questions I have then:

1—Does anyone know the title of the song played when KT and ES are in the playroom/MS’s studio? That slow ballad. I couldn’t find it on YT.

2—I know I brought it up last week, and then kind of apologized for bringing it up, because I didn’t want to have other Beanies worry and be the bearer of future bad things to happen, however, I cannot help but be concerned about HS, after this ep. Did anyone noticed the body drawn on the floor behind KT when he was on the floor? Ominous, maybe?

3—When KT showed the picture to ES (in the studio), he said (per the subtitle I read), “whoever my wife will be, don’t you think she will like it?” I was puzzled about this. Like what? What did KT mean here?

4—KT, is funny: in his world, hugging means dating?

5—So cute when KT called ES “wife.” So I guess he sees himself marrying her…

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I guess I have a few more questions after all:

6—I was not clear on why MS, HS and CY didn’t want to help KT. I thought they were his friends (HS and MS more so than CY. I know he is not friends with CY. I could tell from their interactions in the States). However, I was a little surprised to see HS hesitate. I am not sure about the relationship about MS and KT. Could that have something to do with the fact that they still live with mom and dad, and thus would have to explain why KT has to be at their house? Though, to be honest, Bo Na didn’t have that issue with ES (we never saw her parents).

7—Does the expression “to sleep with one’s feet stretched out” mean to sleep peacefully? (KA said that to ES).

8—The thing that YD did to his bike (tuning), why is that illegal? (He reminded KT of that).

9—At the hotel, when YD told KT that he broke the rule, what rule was he referring to? The hazing rule at school, done to the Social Care Group?

10—Is it safe to assume that Daddy Chairman knows that Yoon has been leaking info to Won?

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Ivoire,

(9) I think he meant Kim Tan being an illegitimate son and trying to "break" (alter/change) the bullying rules at school.

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Hello August,

Thank you for your answer :-), which actually makes sense. Knowing what we know of CYD, he would probably blame KT for being born illegitimate, even though it is not KT's fault. So sad.
Speaking of CYD, he and Rachel are losing me in this ep.

a)-Rachel, does not seem to understand that regardless of what she does, she has lost KT and she is not getting him back (not that he was ever hers).

b)-YD, who I seriously do not get, at this point. ES has made it clear more than once that she does not like him, and his solution is to take revenge? Why? I really liked his outburst last week (in front of ES), and thought he was starting to get it (or was on his way). Now I feel like, was I wrong for thinking that? It will be interesting to see what the writer does with YD. Whether she redeems him (and to what extent), or whether he remains an angry bully. 7 more episodes to go, I guess, and we will find out.

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That being said, I really give it to KWB, once again. I really loved the scene in the cafe (Mango 6). YD is desperate to hold on to ES, because he knows he has lost her (since she told him before). In a last ditch attempt, he rents the cafe, and goes there to spent time with her.

I love that scene, because of how KWB (as YD) and PSH (as ES) behave: YD tries desperately to get ES's attention, the way a child, or a toddler tries to get a mom or a caregiver's attention. He looks lost, not knowing what to do, because nothing he does works with ES. You can see and sense that he is longing and yearning for ES's attention, however she is willing to give it to him. I love the look on his face, and he doesn't know what to do with himself (or his hands), he looks really lost, like a lost child.
That to me is a reminder of how deeply YD misses his mom. I bet he is yearning for his mother's love and attention as well.

ES, on the other hand, ignores him, the way a mom or caregiver ignores a child's tantrum, until it passes. The way they dance around each other was really well acted, I loved that. And as twisted as it is, YD does care about ES: he wants her to rest, to take it easy while he is there, he orders the simplest and quickest drink to make, and once she is done cleaning, he wants her to rest.
I am not necessarily condoning what he is, however I understand it. I see his desperation, I feel it. And that is why I personally LOVE KWB in that role, because he manages to make me feel what YD is feeling, every time. That scene to me, spoke volume.

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I thought of another question I forgot (from last week), and I meant to ask it.
When YD and KT were in the locker room in ep. 12, and KT asked YD if ES had cried a lot, that morning, YD said (based on the subs), "why ask me to my face/why ask me boldly?"
I remember thinking, when I read that, "well, if KT wants to know about ES and her well being, how else is he supposed to ask?" I felt that there was an implication in YD's response that was lost on me. In the Korean language, when someone says, "you are asking me to my face/asking me boldly," what is being implied? Is the person asking supposed to be afraid of asking? If so, why?
Thank you to anyone who can help me with that.

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6- I think whoever helps tan now would be in danger for having Jageuk turned against them and their families, as they would be going against the chairman.

9- the rule was the "tradition" that Kim Tan set when he was in middle school and played king among his peers. Now that Young Do inherited the position as the biggest bully on the playground, he became the one responsible to uphold the "tradition".

10. Daddy always had his sons monitored, so I'm sure he has their every action in his grasp.

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How can daddy(chairman) choose anyone for either son when he just moved his hostess girlfriend(son's mom) into another woman's home to live? Is it not immoral in Korea? I just can't get the storyline completely because the girl Rachael wants to be up on the ladder but she still wants to hold onto tan. The father broke up older son because the girl wasn't rich but his woman isn't rich plus she was a hostessDuh). please just give me some understanding of the logic if there is any.

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He's still got his legal, and socially acceptable wife. The other woman is just a concubine, and has no status. it's an awful and degrading situation.

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Also, the drama never said that she was a hostess. Just that she is a mistress, and KT's mom.

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Hello Ivana,

Thank you for your responses :-)...
6)- Hum... That was an interesting way to look at it. I had not thought of that. 9)-Got it. 10)-Wow, bad daddy :-(

I don't know about you Ivana, but there are some things I really liked (even loved) in this epi. I really loved the opening scene, well done and well acted. I have also come to the decision that starring must be one of KT’s love languages. There is just so much love that oozes from his eyes when he looks at ES lovingly. There is no mistaking that look when he looks at her in that way, I love it.

Some of those scenes I liked in this ep. (some of them, I found cute and funny as well): 1-when KT gave her his hand at school, so they would walk together,
a)-Myung Soo, freezing and staying out all night, snapping pictures away in the morning, and his questions in the car, and his reaction (kid like), after the kiss confession
b)-The penguins comment and KT dramatic reaction
c)-Meta about City Hunter and the spoon fight (I was so glad I caught that the first time around, because I usually don’t get metas)
d)-The donut “kiss,” and the conversation that ensued
e)-KT (kind of) hustling, trying to borrow money from HS, MS and CY. It made me think for a little while and wonder, what has KT ever done for them? It would be easier for people (even friends) to help if they felt or knew that they have been helped in the past. Maybe it is different with HS, because it sounds like KT was with him (or went to see him) during or after his suicide attempt in the States.
Also telling was KT’s worried reaction, at learning that HS had missed school. So, HS and KT are good friends, and good hyung/dongsaeng. Also, HS drove KT to the camp, implicitly (to me) supporting KT’s efforts to win ES over.
f)-ES tough questions to KT about his future plans, and her lack of confidence in KT’s academic endeavors.
g)-The Kidneys joke
h)-KT asking and relying on his girlfriend for money (and she is way poorer than him)
i)-YD’s face at the hotel, after his conversation with KT. “How did I lose this fight?”
j)-KT, “no,no, no! I don’t sing well.”

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Dear Ivoire,

Here is my interpretation regarding your question. See if it helps.

(6) why MS, HS and CY didn’t want to help KT??
----Because it's guy thing. They are not taking him seriously. But once Hyo Shin found it's bit more serious he offered him bedding.
(7)Does the expression “to sleep with one’s feet stretched out” mean to sleep peacefully? (KA said that to ES).
----It mean to sleep without worry.
8—The thing that YD did to his bike (tuning), why is that illegal? (He reminded KT of that).
---There are illegal tuning which are done to bike, scooter, car etc. which maybe done to increase speed or engine related changes etc. which are not allowed or need permission or other formalities. Young do has done that to his bike.

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Hello Sum,

You know, your explanations actually helped, a lot. (6)-I had not thought about the fact that HS, MS and CY might not take KT seriously, but it made sense, because KT belongs to a really wealthy family, so why would he need shelter, food and car rides? Unless one knows what happened to him. And as you said, HS did offer housing.
(7)-Got it.
(8)- Your answer makes better sense to me, especially in light of the fact that in the 1st ep., we see YD at the shop trying to get the mechanic to tune his bike, and the mechanic doesn't want to, at first, because YD is underage, and YD threatens him.

You know Sum, some things were just so endearing to me, in this ep. I don't know if you felt the same way. Some of those scenes were:

a)-KT spending time with his brother at the hotel, and KW driving him in the morning to school. Seriously, KT looked like a child (not only in his puppy-like behavior), as he got out of the car and waived his brother goodbye. He looked so young in that scene. Also made me realize that KT would take any crumbs (of affection and caring) KW would throw at him. He is always sooo happy to be in his presence.
b)-KT giving his hand to ES, and ES taking it at the school.
c)-KT and ES in the studio.
d)-KT changing the rules about hazing the Social Care Group students, and protecting YS.
e)-KT’s relationship with his mom. They love each other and truly care about each other (I love that he doesn’t like that she drinks [too much]).
f)-KA coming to get ES, and feeling bad about how she treated her. Also KA feeling bad about ES’s mom (we finally got to see that).
g)-KT’s reaction at seeing his mom and his girlfriend together (Awwww).
h)-ES calling KT on his behavior, after the cafeteria incident with YD.
i)-KT deciding to endure and deal with the consequences of his actions and the mess he created (that was good).

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Hey Ivoire! Lets see if I can answer any.

1. I don't know this one but I'd love to hear the answer. A very pretty song.

2. I had the same reaction when Hyo Shin didn't answer and the body line was in the background. I hope it was just a coincidence, but I'm worried.

3. I think he meant that his future wife would like having a husband that was so possessive/jealous. Basically a husband that was so focused on her alone.

4. I'm thinking he'd use any excuse to call Eun Sang his girlfriend.

5. I think he was just teasing her since they spent the night together.

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Hello Rashell,

Good to read from you again :-). I left you a response in ep. 12 recap (I think), I don't know if you saw it. Sorry it was late, I feel like I am leaving a conversation hanging, if I don't share my thoughts. On to your answers, :-)

1--It is a beautiful song, isn't it? I keep having it in my head.

2--Regarding the body drawn, yeah, I am still a little worried about HS. Somehow, I don't believe it is a coincidence because apparently this writer doesn't leave clues like that without doing anything about them later. So, I have my fingers crossed, and I am looking forward to future episodes to find out what is going to happen with HS.

3--I will take that explanation, it is not a bad one :-), especially the "he would be focused on her alone part."

4--And I agree with you there...

5--Good explanation/guess again. Rashell, you are so good at this :-)

You know Rashell, there are definitely some things I liked in this ep. in spite of my asking many questions. I felt that some of those things needed to happen, and some others, I was just happy to see them in the drama. Some of those things were:

a)-The fight between CY and BN, which needed to happen. I thought CY was on point, about what he said to BN. It was nice to see that all was not roses and kumbayah between them
b)-KT, “Rachel is my insurance, but insurance should not become my life”
c)-KT grateful for what his father had done for him so far (he did live a privilege life)
d)-Finding out the bigger ramifications of KT’s actions, about outing his birth secret
e)-ES, to KT “You don’t have money, and you take a cab?”
f)-Seeing again the difference between KT and ES. ES thinks things through (usually) before she acts, KT, not so much. He tends to react to things more, AND then deal with the consequences.
g)-KT, “Why do all the girls that I like have their fists flying first?” (after holding his mom) (so cute!!!!!)
h)-KA, (talking about ES), “From today, she is my insurance (ES just took Rachel’s place as insurance for KT). You get in too (the car)”
i)Seeing KT and his dad go head to head, and stick to their guns. I can't wait for what will happen in the next episodes.

Were some of those moments/scenes some of your favorites as well?

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Ivoire,

(2) I noticed the camera's sharp focus on the white chalk outline of a body behind Kim Tan as he was telephoning Lee Hyo-Shin regarding his absence from school.

It feels ominous that the writer Kim Eun-Sook is leading us down the path of another suicide attempt by Lee Hyo-Shin. This time I fear he might succeed. I desperately hope that if he tries to take his life again, someone will notice and be able to stop him in time.

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August,

I am really hoping we are not going down the path of "Dead Poet Society" here. That would just be too sad. I love HS, and yeah, that does feel ominous.

Also, about KT joking about their relationship moving at a slow pace, I want to say that they have been dating for what? A day or so? (since HE decided that there were dating, when the hug happened). So I am OK with them taking their time. He is only 17 (Korean age, which 16 in Western age) and she is what, 18? which is 17 in Western age, so methinks they got time, to do stuff.

Besides, KT must be ES's 1st love, so a lot of things are new to ES, and she probably wants to take her time exploring (at least that is how I read it). I do personally understand her hesitations, her reserve, her shyness and her awkwardness when it comes to skinship and kisses. And of course, this is my personal opinion, so no (virtual) tomatoes throwing, please.

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I'll say this in a very respectful manner, you have too many questions...

4- They are in high school and high schoolers in Korea tend to think of that type of PDA as serious. If you've seen other dramas (which I know you have) you know that even adults consider that type of skinship dating...

5-Well if he didn't he would not have risked the wrath of daddy here, remember what he put into play, he's own legitimacy, which as javabeans said I don't find it a big deal, but in the universe of this drama it seems to be something that will bring the empire down.

6- They just wanted to know why they would be housing him... They cared but at the same time are curious as to why they would have to give him space in their home to sleep (as curious as their parents would be).. It's weird to have such a high power wielding son sleep outside of the house.

10- Daddy chairman knows EVERY move ANYBODY in his life does, he knows that secretary Yoon knows way too much information and that it could help Won more than it wold help Tan, but we also know that Secretary Yoon's intention is to care for Tan and to care for Won, he does not agree with the way Won has been running things because its left out his family (Tan) and it has alienated a lot of the upper management.

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too many questions? this isn't an exam and you have neither a time limit or the obligation to answer (or even read) any of the questions. there's nothing wrong with someone being curious :/

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I tend to be passive because it is the only way to enjoy the slooow pace of this drama. However, the different culture and setting can indeed get lost in the translation.

I, too, am curious but not outspoken. Ivoire: Thank you for the questions. Babs: Thank you for the answers.

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Hello thinktank,

I don't know how to be passive when I watch a drama/series, especially if it is in a language I do not speak and understand (not well at least), like Kdramas. I become more curious about everything, because I don't want to miss out on anything.

I have a friend (she loves Kdramas as well), and she has said a few times that she wishes she could download the Korean language in her brain, well... so do I. And since I can't, I take notes when I watch my dramas, and I come here with my comments and the questions I might have. The beauty of it is, there is usually a kind soul (or souls) who are willing to guess some answers, there is often someone who knows the language or culture (or both) well enough to explain things to me, and as I learn new facts, and a different way of thinking (essentially looking through different lenses), other Beanies learn some things as well. It's a win-win outcome, if you ask me.

And for those like you, who are curious but not outspoken, don't you think it is nice to have commenters like me, who are willing to write those questions down, and ask them? (I know you do, because you thanked me. It was a rhetorical question).

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Hi Adette,

And thank you! You know, I felt the same way, reading Babs's comment. Nobody has to read my comments if they don't wish to. As soon as they see my screen name, they can just skip my comments and questions, and go to the next ones. I am just inquisitive and I want to understand the drama as much as I can, AND I am interested in what the Beanies might have to say in response to some of my questions. So I ask away, usually. Thing is, I also usually get some good guesses and answers, and often, other Beanies have told me that they have actually learned a few things, because of my questions. So I learn some things and other people learn some things as well.

That is a good thing in my book.

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As I said in the comment: "I’ll say this in a very respectful manner, you have too many questions… " And I said it as a joke... If I were aggravated by your comment I would have skipped it, as I do to those comments that I either don't care for or find unnecessary... Another thing if I didn't care for/like or if I hated your comment I would not have answered it... But there you go, people always interpret things as they want..

Either way, as you are in your right to post what you want, I am also in my right to do the same. I don't think it's nice to tell people what to do in comments (again notice what I said in my comment in no moment whatsoever did I tell you to not comment or ask questions) because we can say and or write what we want as long as it's within the rules of the bean's universe

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Read my comment bellow... I won't play into your game.

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Err...people, I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

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@Ivoire - I thought of you and your prediction about Hyo-Shin during his scenes. What we saw on-screen seemed to support your hypothesis. I really hope it doesn't come to fruition, though! I like him a lot.

Regarding the "wife" references - I can't recall the particulars, but I seem to remember seeing guys in other K-dramas jokingly call their girlfriends "wife." I don't think it necessarily means he's actually thinking of marriage, but maybe a Korean person could address this more knowledgeably than me.

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Hello Faye,

I did see your last comment to me last week (ep. 12 recap), and I meant to answer to it, mostly because I feel like I am letting a conversation hang when I don't respond (that is, if I have some thing to say. Sometimes I don't, and so I don't add anything, because I feel that all has been said :-) ). I haven't gotten to it, (unfortunately), but I meant to. I probably will, some time soon. I often reread comments to recaps, and I love it when a conversation started here, continues until it runs its course. I am reminded of the good times we shared here, trying to dissect the drama, its characters, the writer, the meanings, etc... That is why I am so vested when I watch a drama. This is as enjoyable to me, as the drama itself. I love being able to discuss it with other like minded folk.

Also, I did see that particular comment you left me on ep. 11, and I am soooo sorry you had to experience that. I have been through that and worse here, and that was painful at the time. Yeah, unfortunately there are people like that. I even experience something along those lines (kind of) in the recap of ep. 1 of this show :-(

You know, I like HS a lot too, which is why I worry about him. I was telling August that I am hoping that we are not going the "Dead Poet Society" route, with HS. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Regarding the wife comment, a commenter said that it could have something to do with the fact that they had "spent" the night together, which in the Kdrama context makes sense. I will take that as a possible guess. Works for me.

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Woohooo!! Congrats to the whole cast for such humungous ratings. Did Secret get that high?

Heirs is hardly a masterpiece but I'm beyond thrilled for this cast. Another hit for PSH, LMH, Woobin, and Gumiho!

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Secret never got that high because it had hyped up Heirs as its competition. Now that Secret is over what competition does Heirs have?

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Pretty Man....

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and there is MTT but both didn't get to have 10% at least! so you think this is a competition !!!!!!!!!!

it's early to judge as PM just started but right now I don't see strong competitor so it's normal to have this percentage! and again it's because secret is over!

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Watching it right now.

Wow. It's actually REALLY REALLY good right now!! :D

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On the flip side, Secret would have earned a higher rating if Heirs didn't air at the same time. Secret has 2 tough dramas to compete with. Master's Sun was still playing when Secret started, but it still managed a 12% rating. Then the Heirs replaced Master's Sun.

It's the rating you get when faced with a worthy opponent that counts.

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And you have to know also that ratings are a percentage, not total number of viewers. That is why some weekend dramas can get into the 20-30 range even if they suck - little competition, but also a larger percentage of much fewer viewers.

Wed and Thur are the main peak number of viewers nights. Right now Heirs has little real competition - MTT is not popular at all, and Pretty Man is too new to tell yet, with only one episode.

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Secret was for weeks beating Heirs. I think the highest Heirs got before was around 15, Secrets peaked at 19.7 I think.

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Secret always beat Heirs as far as I remember

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I am pretty sure it did, they almost tied I think on the first episode of Heirs, but Heirs quickly dropped back 5 points or so as I recall.

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No, they were only about 1.5-2 percent apart the last few weeks.

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you think this ratings because the story is that good!! sorry but because Heirs is against MTT and PM and they are not a strong competitors like Secret so the rating shot up like that! I bet if secret had more episode The Heirs would have been second till the end! if Secret was the only show airing beside MTT and PM I bet the rating would have been this high! plus the frist rating was 4 - 5! and ended 18 - 20 it came along way! so don't make assumption!
Secret already won! it's anew rookie writer who had beaten the famous writer KES! and that's an achievement!

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Secret was a drama with a very low-key cast and practically zero buzz before it aired. Much like I Hear Your Voice, it premiered to single-digit ratings and went on to become a sleeper hit.

And considering that it still beat the most-hyped show of the year throughout its run, that is actually way more of an achievement than Heirs breaking the 20% mark with its competition gone.

And I say this as someone who didn't even watch Secret.

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*I know this is not ever going to be a “good” drama – not Masterpiece Theater, by any stretch of the imagination. But I can’t help loving parts of it anyway. Today was such blatant emotional manipulation, but gah! It totally worked on me. That opening scene with Cha Eun-Sang tearing up along with Kim Tan – almost as if she does so because she’s connected to him and feels what he’s feeling – it was so lovely. That moment when she throws caution to the wind and hugs him tightly made me cheer. Finally, we got to see an expression of her feelings, too.

*I really stood up and took notice at the scene of Esther Lee and Rachel talking. Her daughter’s future fiancé is revealed to be an Untouchable, and her first thought is stock prices? I’m not sure whether to be horrified or to tip my hat at her business-oriented brain.

*I imagine there will be a lot of debate about Young-Do’s motives this episode, as he has his stalwart defenders and his detractors. I tried to evaluate him fairly. I believe part of him does want to protect Eun-Sang, and I think he’s quite pleased with himself for being “gallant.” But I also think there’s a part of him that can turn vicious, and that he’s not happy Kim Tan took away his trump card by revealing the truth himself.

*I could not stop laughing at Kim Tan’s explanation about why he ranked so poorly on the test. It was so absurd and stupid, I believe it might actually be true!

*I really enjoyed the shot of Kim Tan’s dramatic “nooooooo!” face pressed up against the glass when Young-Do locked him out of the booth at the end of the episode. Chill, dude. He’s not about to kill her.

*Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I sort of felt sorry for Rachel in this episode. Yes, the things she said were horrible to Tan, but I felt like she was lashing out because she was genuinely hurt, and taking cheap shots at his lineage was the only weapon she had. Still, you can’t help contrasting her with Bo-Na, who I honestly believe doesn’t look down on Chan-Young because of his background. I thought CY was too mean to her. She was defending him, and just because she doesn’t look down on him doesn’t meant that she isn’t aware of what others feel.

*I am starting to get worried about poor Hyo-Shin . . .

*I’m not sure what to think about Won. I love that he took his brother in. But a little part of me can’t help wondering if he’s just happy that the illegitimate son is finally out of his way, and not an obstacle to his advancement in the company.

*I know parts of this episode were cheesy –the donut kiss, the “I’m sorry I was so late” when Eun-Sang finally takes Tan’s hand –but I couldn’t help feeling secretly thrilled. What can I say? Part of me is clearly a 14-year-old girl.

*The drama has really confused me on one point, though. What is love? Is love pain? Is love the moment? A painful moment? A momentous pain :)?

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Good to know there is still someone who hasn't written Rachel off as a senseless bitch. But, comparisons with Bo Na seem a little unfair. Bo Na, for all we know, has had a normal childhood, and comes from a loving family. We've seen again and again how cold and utterly insensitive to her daughter's feelings Esther Lee can be, and a great example of that again was the scene where she tells Rachel to stay engaged to Tan, in hopes of cashing in on the stock price rises. I'm not saying Rachel should be excused for the way she chooses to deal with things, but I'm absolutely baffled at the lack of sympathy for her, when people are viciously fighting each other to justify the actions of both Tan and Young Do. The boys are just as bad as her, if not worse, and yet viewers are automatically more forgiving of their actions, whereas Rachel is torn apart, or just dismissed as being a nuisance.

Sorry for the rant. Most of it is obviously not directed towards you, but I needed to let it out anyway.

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I didn't realize that people thought Rachel as a "senseless bitch". I actually prefer her over ES, not with Kim Tan shipping, but as a character. She could definitely do a lot of damage to ES, but she mostly acted as a bystander as ES and KT got closer. No matter what, KT is Rachel's fiancee, and she definitely have feelings for him. Granted, Won was probably her first choice, but she was set on Kim Tan for at least a year. She holds everything in when faced with the blatant lack of affection from the two people she cares most about in this world: her mom and her fiancee. When things finally get too hard, she bares ger claws defensively and half-heartedly. I think her pride is what drives her to do this, but I respect her for it.

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Not so much here, but a lot on other sites, especially Drama Fever - it is obvious from the comments there that many don't even care if there is a plot or not, it is just line after line of "I love LMH/PSH etc.". As one commenter put it, the show would get high ratings with the fangurls if all that LMH did was beat a dog.

That said, even though this episode was better than the last 12, I still find myself unable to get even remotely excited about it. But this seems to be the season for A Really BAD Run of Dramas (though have not watched Pretty Guy yet). There simply is not much on that I care about except for Deja Vu.

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answer me 1994 is a great korean drama currently airing now. the rest are so-so.

there are good japanese dramas, if you watch those.

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@Mina - I have to admit that at first I was one of the people who felt little for Rachel as I was watching, even though intellectually I believe she should garner some sympathy. I put it down to the actress's performance. In the California scenes and the first few Korean eps, she seemed so one-note that it was really difficult to feel sorry for her even if I felt perhaps I should.

I think the actress playing Rachel is doing a better job of showing her vulnerability now, so it's easier to feel for her. She was quite good this episode, IMO.

We don't know about Bo-Na's background, so it's useless to speculate about what her parents were like. I do have a hard time excusing behavior based on the "my evil parents" argument, though. It's just a personal taste; it always bugs me in movies and TV when they go for that. It's a big part of my problem with Young-Do.

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Thank you, guys! I feel the same way, that Rachel is being treated really badly and that the boys are being forgiven the same lashing out for which she's being cursed.

I really feel badly for her: she's got no way out since she's being stuck with the engagement for money (she was effectively sold in the first place), so she's lashing out.

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Faye,

"I know this is not ever going to be a “good” drama – not Masterpiece Theater, by any stretch of the imagination. But I can’t help loving parts of it anyway. Today was such blatant emotional manipulation, but gah! It totally worked on me."

I couldn't have said it better!

It was nice to see more of the comedic moments from Kim Tan this episode.

I loved the scenes (hotel/car) with Kim Tan and Kim Won.

A part of me is wondering if Kim Won is suddenly reacting to his father for control of the company. Did he have a hidden plan to appear one way (incompetent at solely running Jeguk Group and estranged from Tan) to his father? In fact, maybe he has been plotting all along to maneuver for control Jeguk Group from his father.

If Lee Hyo-Shin attempts suicide again, I hope he fails at it and someone notices and is able to talk him out of it.

"The drama has really confused me on one point, though. What is love? Is love pain? Is love the moment? A painful moment? A momentous pain :) ?"

Love is all of it!

Off topic: I missed reading your comments on the MHIYD episode 11 & 12 threads.

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@August - Interesting speculation re Kim Won. He's always been a loose thread to me, because a good Tan-Won relationship would be so compelling, but to date they've made it very one-note. The business/stock stuff is interesting to me for the first time because of the Won-Tan implications.

Re MHIYD: Real life intervened, and I wasn't able to watch the episodes yet. I read a quick recap and my thoughts were largely negative, so I decided to sit it out for a while. I don't want to be the person who just comes into a thread and rambles about how horrible a show is. I know most people probably aren't as sensitive to it as I am :), but I feel it halts the flow of discussion when people do that. Maybe I'll get back on board for next week.

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I definitely understand when real life intervenes. Whenever you get around to resuming MHIYD (particularly episodes 11 & 12), let me know because I look forward to reading your thoughts about those 2 episodes.

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I've never been a huge fan of Rachel's character. I find her too angst-y for my liking, especially in the beginning. However, ever since that scene where she broke down and cried, I got this newfound empathy for her. She is a lovely character outside that Tan-Eunsang love triangle/square/pentagon etc, as we see from her scenes with Won.

That being said, I feel that Rachel and Youngdo's character has reasons for acting in such a way. Broken families played a major part, and also the loss of good friends as well. Yesol's character is straight up annoying. Speaking down about Chanyoung to his girlfriend when she herself isn't all that. I really liked that scene with Bona and Rachel. Bona isn't a cunning character, and you can see how uncomfortable she is when interrogating Yesol. But given that circumstance, Rachel and Bona had every right to be angry. Yesol was way out of line, and she tries too hard to be condescending. To be honest, I was a tad annoyed that Chanyoung couldn't even understand why Bona acted in that way. But I guess every couple has a tiff or two. They look very chummy again on the previews, so I'm all good :)

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@JD - I was really upset at Chan-Young! Bo-Na so obviously adores him and could care less about his status. She may have her faults, but snobbery isn't one of them. I think he was projecting his insecurities on her more than anything. I'm sure they'll be back to their disgustingly sweet selves by the next episode, though :).

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If your opinion about Rachel is unpopular, I'll happily share it - Rachel is far more sympathetic than most people give her credit for - part of it is Kim Ji-won's way of playing her, she brings a sadness and fragility to the character that perhaps isn't really there on the page.

And this is really an unpopular opinion, but I feel lik eit's the same with Young-do, he's awful but Kim Woo-bin makes me feel like there's a vulnerability to him that really came across loud and clear these last few weeks - in literally any instance where anyone shows him compassion, he's floored/disbelieving, because he's known so little of it.

And I know we dismiss the awful dad, but he and Rachel's mother are ample explanation for why their children are the way they are. Tan's father is also a sack of shit, but he appears to be slightly more passive about it. Young-do and Rachel, though, they really drew the short straw when it came to parents.

As for Bo-na, I love her. She's got a heart of gold under her cranky exterior, and the poor girl was squirming in that lunch seat, she so obviously didn't want to be there. And Chan-young was too harsh on her, and I do not follow his logic. They'd better not break up the only functional OTP on this show, ugh.

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" part of it is Kim Ji-won’s way of playing her, she brings a sadness and fragility to the character that perhaps isn’t really there on the page." Perfect words, pogo. :-)

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Ha! none of the above actually - love is FEELING :)

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Seeing the developments in the last week’s episodes I had commented that the rating will improve not only because Secret is over and Heirs doesn’t have any serious competition anymore but also because its story is really picking up and rewarding those who stuck with it. KES must really have planned and timed this. I am glad that after last week’s raised expectations we were not let down. There were developments in the main love story and some of the others, cuteness, excitement, hope for the future, funny bits… Overall it was a very engaging episode and I couldn’t blink an eye or look at recaps while watching it raw.

I liked seeing Eun Sang and Tan as 18 year olds in love. The hug was much better than any kiss they had shared so far. Tan’s happiness when Eun Sang held hands with him at school is something we haven’t seen before. To him having her by his side made everything he is going through worth it. And once she accepted him Eun Sang showed many signs of caring for him, worrying for him, wanting to protect him. She felty more pain to hear tan called illegitimate by Ra Hael than Tan did. Tan was telling Young Do for a long time that he and Eun Sang were together but with their held hands he was finally showing him proof. I liked that Eun Sang asked the boys not to fight. Tan finally made a general stand against bullying. And I loved that at the cafeteria when Tan was about the fight he apologized from her first and I loved that she didn’t let him fight anyway. I like that Eun Sang is putting Tan in his place with her words and slaps and I like that Tan is drawing parallels among the women he loves. Their bickering is cute. We are finally seeing Tan’s typical teenage boy side by him trying to get intimate with the girl he likes every chance he gets and Eun Sang is finally showing her appreciation of his looks and is affected by his proximity.

I had great hopes for Young Do’s reformation and redemption and was really curious about his first scenes with Tan and Eun Sang separately after last week’s events but I think the writer decided to sink him further before raising him. His unplanned confession last week was very naive, sincere and touching. It was impossible not to feel for him. Then there was the talk he had with Tan on the golf course in which I thought Tan might have gotten through him. So I was looking forward to his interactions with both separately but since their next encounter was a three-way one with Tan and Eun Sang holding hands following an evening in which Tan answered Eun Sang’s phone and told him they are lovers he is back to his bullying ways with both Eun Sang and Tan and he keeps forcing himself on Eun Sang who is clearly not interested. After confirming from her own mouth that she likes Kim Tan and seeing them hand in hand I find his insistent pursuit of her bizarre. What was he expecting? He tells Eun Sang he can’t hurt her because hurting her hurts him but everyone else is fair game. He is unable to understand that at this point hurting Tan will hurt Eun Sang just as much. He also said everyone else included himself which made me wonder. Is he thinking because of Eun Sang’s personality she will feel pity for his pain as well? Kim Woo Bin is such a convincing actor that I feel sorry for him when I see his pain but the way he lashes out is just not acceptable. I hope the writer doesn’t take Young Do so far that in the end he cannot be friends with Tan or Eun Sang after this anymore (maybe that...

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ooops.... I got cut off.

threshold has already been crossed in episode 13. What do you think?)

One last thing about Young Do: there is so much passion in him as the last scene revealed that the writer is forcing people to choose between his at times violent and no holds barred style against Tan’s quite but forceful style. This results in people going for the first type ignoring Young Do’s many violations (of rules, personal space etc), find excuses for him and support him anyway. I’m not sure that’s smart writing. Hopefully Young Do will acknowledge his own mistakes in the end.

I never liked Ra Hael but my hate for her is growing as well. She is a nasty piece of work. OK Ye Seul gossips a lot, was nasty to Eun Sang and said something she shouldn’t but is this the same Ra Hael who badmouthed Young Do for bullying? How is she different? And what the hell was Bo Na doing going along with her? Young Do and Ra Hael deserve each other because neither knows how to love or show it, they just want to possess and like a baby when they don’t get what they want they lash out and break everything and everyone around them. So they are making Tan and Eun Sang miserable. What do they gain? When did someone else’s misery ever brought happiness to others? I found the scene in the cafeteria particularly poignant when Eun Sang didn’t allow Tan to fight with Young Do and took him out and with Chan Young leading Bo Na away and the crowd scattering it was the reluctant step siblings left together in their loneliness, misery and disappointment. Writer, make something good out of it!

I said there was hope in the episode. One thing Tan’s actions might result in is (fervently hoping here) prompt action in his passive brother. His grudging help to Tan I guess can count as development in their relationship. Tan is sooo happy to spend time with his brother it breaks my heart to see it. I’m glad Tan somehow benefitted from Young Do’s pettiness, his sketch of Tan and the thought was hilarious (what in the world was he wearing in that scene anyway? We said dress Tan like Young Do not the other way around!!!!) He thanked Young Do for the opportunity and he might be positively happy his dad kicked him out of the house with such a result (By the way, when daddy dearest was taking Tan’s credit card etc was he relying on the fact that Won disliked his brother so much that he wouldn’t help him?) I felt for Tan when he was in bed wanting to share his troubles with his hyung and ask his advice. The iceman didn’t budge though.

Another nice development was Madame Han’s attitude towards Eun Sang. She is not an evil woman and I never expected her anger to last. She loves her son and I think given enough time Tan can talk her into anything. When she pretended to be Eun Sang’s mother at the PTA meeting I thought that’s not so far from the truth if Tan and Eun Sang end up together. Esther thinks she can talk on behalf of Young Do at school as a stepmother, a mother-in-law shouldn’t be that different. She has a conscious and I liked the concern Madame Han showed to Eun Sang. As much as he objected to Eun Sang returning home now that he had left Tan was actually relieved that he didn’t have to worry about her as well when he didn’t know where he would sleep at. His teasing of his mom and girlfriend was also cute.

There were a lot of funny moments in the episode with Tan-Eun sang bickering, Tan teasing his mom, Myung Soo the paparazzi...

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happened to Hyo Shin.

thanks for the recap Javabeans.

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@Moonbeam, I very much enjoyed your thoughts on the episode. Thanks for taking the time to write them up and
share them.

"And once she accepted him Eun Sang showed many signs of caring for him, worrying for him, wanting to protect him."
This, so much. While I always thought KT-ES had a kind of chemistry, and ES *said* she liked KT, it felt very much like a one-way pursuit up until now. I loved that after Kim Tan's deciding to go all in last week, Eun-Sang follows suit and throws in her cards this week. Once she hugs him, it's like a threshold she crossed. They're a team now, fighting and loving together.

Re Young-Do: I wrote about this upthread in a response, so I won't belabor the point again. But I agree this episode represented a step back for him. Rachel garners a little more pity from me, because she and Tan were engaged and she had the rug pulled out from under her. But it would make the characters more well-rounded to watch them move on from KT and ES.

I'm glad Madame Han is on their side now. I understand she wants to protect Tan and herself, and her position is precarious. Still, it always seemed to me that if anyone should be able to sympathize with Eun-Sang's position, it's her.

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Hyo-shin is a fascinating character, there's enough in there to fuel his own drama (with Won and Hyun-joo in a love triangle).

The silly thing about the high school angle so far is that the stakes don't really feel as real and serious as they could be for adults - Heirs could have had a lot more weight/seemed less absurd if it was centred on characters like Won and Hyun-joo (who are both wasted, frankly. Though Hyo-shin is getting more airtime, and breaking my heart with it - I knew a boy who went through something very similar, some parents really are too much).

I loved Madame Han this episode too. She's a sweetheart despite her snobbery, and I wanted to squeal when she admitted to feeling bad about Eun-sang for her mother's sake.

(and Myung-soo The Paparazzo has to be that character's best moment yet)

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Won and Tan FINALLY! Come on for them bromance <3
ALSO CES and Madame Han looks adorable. I can see some nice moments in the future, come on :D

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Exactly what I was thinking! KT KW was my favorite scene by far, I cannot wait for more bromance moments between them :D

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This episode was so aggravating and amazing AT THE SAME TIME! I don't know what to think anymore about this drama.

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Thanks for the recap....yay for 20% ratings...

Tan is the cutest thing in this episode.... :-)

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Wheeeeeeeeeeee wow I loved this episode so so much, this is how it should have been from the beginning and not really into KT and ES but KT and KW make me smile and squeal each time they are together. LMH Manseh

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Goodbye Rant:
I quitted this drama ages ago but forgot to leave my goodbye rant. I am so happy I stopped watching this. It’s soooooo bad to the point I want to vomit. I’m a 17 year old senior in high school and if this is a high school drama and I absolutely hate it, it must really mean something (at least to me). Heck, I even disliked Boys over Flowers, but that was way better than Heirs by 100. I also enjoyed Gossip Girl (not love it) but it is 1000x better than Heirs. This drama really has a lack of plot and I hate the scenes that are slow and nothing happens, just Tan staring, they just drive me crazy. They are so pointless and not romantic at all. Bleh, I skipped them.  I hate all the characters except Chan Young & Bo Na. And, I seriously find Rachel more understandable than any of the leads. I am a big Park Shin Hye, Choi Jin Hyuk and Kim Woo Bin fan. I don’t care much about Lee Min Ho but I find him decent. So I’m seriously unbiased when I say I hate all their characters.
I’ve watched KWB in School, White Christmas, and A Gentleman’s Dignity and I liked all his characters there. In Heirs, I cannot understand him at all. His character is a big jerk, bully, and should I say it: creepy. I don’t find the abusive father a strong enough reason for him to act the way he does (I have the same type of dad, but I don’t abuse my behavior). I thought he would have this whole reason for being the way he is, but I guess he’s just raised with a rotten behavior. My hatred for his character is seriously ruining my love for KWB (still a fan…just not as much).
As for Tan, I find him the absolute most boring character ever. I want to fall asleep every time I see a scene with him. If he went to my school, I wouldn’t fall in love with him at all. For gawd sake, he’s so rude and uncaring. He only thinks about himself and who he likes (well doesn’t care about Rachel’s feelings at all). I hate characters like him the most. One would think he would be the least hate-able character, but I can’t stand him. There’s nothing important or different about him. Skip.
The thing I am biased towards is cheating. I don’t care if anyone of you disagrees. It doesn’t matter if Tan was engaged to Rachel’s character just for business, he still was EFFING engaged. It’s like you guys are saying married couples in real life who married for business are fine and justified to cheat and love someone else. I don’t see the logic in that. Cheating is never acceptable to me. He should have clearly told Rachel before that he isn’t going to marry her. I really feel bad for Rachel’s character because she was never a biatch to Tan before. It’s fine for the other character to hate Rachel, but for Tan, I find him spiteful for being so bad mannered and mean to her. If he didn’t love her romantically, he should have long broken the engagement. If he can face the consequences now, why couldn’t he before. I just don’t effing get it.  Also, I hate violence and had never agreed with it however I found Rachel’s slap understandable and realistic. I’m not justifying her character but that slap was satisfying. Sue me. I don’t hate Rachel. She’s a b!tch…a reasonable one IMO.
For Eun Sang’s character, I seriously wanted to punch her face. I thought I could relate to her character but I can’t. She cries in every episode and that’s so annoying. I live in a poor family where I have to split everything with my 4 sisters and 4 brothers--food, clothes (my sister’s), rooms, etc. Eun Sang’s character...

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Eun Sang’s character really pisses me off. In the beginning, her character has no dreams or ambitions just because she’s poor. She thinks that there is no way she’s going to be successful and gives up all hope. Realistic, but how is that anyway to make this character interesting or someone worth rooting for? She whines saying I just want a job that pays decent; I don’t care if blah blah blah. She’s so annoying. She tries to escape from Tan for the reason because she can never be with him because he’s rich. It isn’t because he’s engaged. She could care less about that. I just think she’s a beep. And the character who was bullied by Young Do…I 100% would’ve stand up for him like I’ve done in the past. She just stands there and does nothing. I am so disappointed and ashamed of her character. This writer surely makes her character an awesome and cool heroine (-sarcam-). I didn’t have much hope for this writer because I hate all her dramas and character. Now, I really never even give her drama a chance even if it stars Won Bin and Jeon Ji Hyun.
Back to the couple, I really don’t root for Tan and Eun Sang together. I don’t see anything special in Eun Sang and I don’t even understand why Young Do likes her. Oh wow, she sleep walks and eats and sleeps and works a lot. So does every other normal being that isn’t rich. I don’t see how you guys can root for the main couple. Their love isn’t so epic that they just can’t be without the other. Well, that’s just the way I see it. I bet most people ship them because it’s PSH and LMH.  You can agree to disagree. I don’t care.
I will stop complaining and allow all of you Heir lovers to enjoy your drama. I’m truly disappointed. This is my dream cast. I prayed to the drama gods. They granted my wish but gave me this piece of crap. I will quit even looking at these recaps. I still love Javabeans and Girlfriday <3 Good job ladies for providing recaps to the people who want it.
P.s. Stopped at ep8.

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I feel you... these are my main challenges with the show as well. Don't really understand why any of these guys are in love with ES and why she even loves Tan back. It makes zero sense and ES is seriously the worst heroine ever. I guess Secret Garden's heroine wasn't all there either, but at least she was cool, could stand her own without crying every five minutes and had a life and dreams...

I have totally lost interest and am just reading the recaps/commentary now. But, I do still love these actors an hope that their next gig is better.

Even though this drama is not my cup of tea, I am glad folks are enjoying it and am now done with hating on it, too...

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I've not seen Secret Garden, but isn't that Ha JiWon as the main actress? if so, that Hi Ji Won is cool, and can totally stand her ground in anything. whereas Park Shin Hye just seems to have perfected that scared face. it's annoying.

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I completely agree with all of this. Granted, I did stop watching at episode 6, so maybe I shouldn't be so judgmental. But I am reading the recaps still, and I just don't understand why the things that are happening are happening. And why the things that should happen aren't happening.

My biggest wish for this show is for the hero to be more interesting. The full title is Heirs: He Who Wears the Crown Must Bear Its Weight, but I don't see any relevance between the title and the show (I guess that's true for most dramas). Kim Tan wears the crown, yeah, but he just sits and stares at Eun-sang. When he left LA, I was assuming he'd be coming back to fight for his part of the company after being in exile, but nope. He came back to do nothing. If anything, he has pretty weight-free shoulders, and his trajectory as a character is so foggy. He's barely made progress in 13 episodes, so what more could he make in the next 7?

As for Young-do, what the fuck? What is running through that head of his? I agree that some of my Kim Woo-bin love is ebbing away because of this really nasty character. There is no way someone like that can get by in the real world. The fact that Eun-sang still allows herself to be treated like crap from him baffles me. No girl mistreated like her should talk to a guy that passive-aggressive. Despite the heat I put on Tan, at least he's dealing with his effed-up family without spewing hate towards everyone. Young-do needs anger management and maybe a psych evaluation.

You know, I also think Rachel's bitchiness is justified. Yes, she really is a terrible bitch. I would not like her if I knew her, but sometimes I can't help but be on the evil one's side. At least she's doing something and speaking up for herself? I mean, who wouldn't be a raging bitch when her fiance is cheating on her? And who wouldn't be a bitch to the girl your fiance is dating? Kim Tan really should've just called the engagement off before trying to pursue any kind of relationship with Eun-sang. (And if I could, getting engaged in high school even when you're in love is sometimes not the greatest idea.) Then maybe I would care more about them as a couple.

I may not be watching this anymore, and I may be speaking ignorantly, but it still hurts to think of what the writer did to this cast.

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Perhaps the best we can hope for at this point is that Rachel gets a chainsaw for her birthday.

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I don't think Rachel's that much of a bitch. She's just a hurt high school girl hanging on to what she knows to make sense of her mother *selling* her for stocks in Jeguk, her absent father, her ghastly new proposed father and brother, and now her childhood friend/fiance ditching her completely and shamelessly. In fact, the person who is a real bitch is Kim Tan. Seriously, yuck.

This whole scenario gets Rachel my sympathies.

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LOL. I think Kim Tan's a bitch too. I don't like how he treated Rachel, his supposed childhood friend, with such contempt. We get that you don't like her. But why the contempt for a friend?

Secondly, I don't get what KT's "battle" is. KT told YD at the golf course that he's preparing for a much bigger battle. What is that battle exactly? He got everything he wanted already. He didn't want to marry Rachel, he got that. He wants to be with ES, he got that. He didn't want his mom to be in hiding so he outed her (and himself). So what is the battle now? Against his dad? Is he going to try to take his dad's company or something? If so, that's classy (not).

If KT were truly a changed person, then he would accept the consequences of his actions, move on with his life, and have nothing furtger to do to with Jeguk Group. He would study hard on his college entrance exams, go to college, and build a career and earn a living with his own two hands instead of relying on his family money or business in any way. But of course that's not going to happen. He's probably going to figure out how to get a piece of the family pie instead.

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Couple of good posts Kate. You pretty much listed everything I dislike about the whole setup in this drama. Well, not all - I think there are a whole bunch of really stupid plot setups, but that is another post.

I especially agree about ES's character - I noted back around ep1 that she was a total whiner, having decided at the old age of 18 that she was a failure at life. And she has gone downhill since then. At this point I don't care if she hooks up with Godzilla - in fact I don't really care what happens to her.

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"At this point I don’t care if she hooks up with Godzilla – in fact I don’t really care what happens to her."

ROFL.

I wish she'd get out of the scenes with Woobie My Wuv. It's very hard to fast-forward those.

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AW ;) Thanks for the support guys. I have a lot more to complain about but I don't want to go overboard so I only ranted on the mains things. I'm happy people agree with me because I thought I was the black sheep in the dramabeans community. Therefore, I had to speak out. It makes me so happy that some people have the same opinion as me. I love everyone on dramabeans. That includes the people who like this drama because I respect their opinions. At the end of the day, aren't we all obsessed drama lovers?

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@Kate - Please don't hate KWB because of YD. He is doing an awesome job here :) I love YD's character no matter how evil he is. However, I hate the writer for making him worse this episode! Aargh I am only watching this drama to see his redemption!

As for Rachael's character - I agree with you that her reactions are understandable. I also felt it was wrong of Tan to actively pursue another girl when he was engaged. It doesn't matter whether that engagement was arranged or not.

I don't like the main couple either. May be because I was more drawn to YD's character. And lack of chemistry between the leads?

My theory about why both guys fell for ES. Tan - because he saw her vulnerable positions in the U.S. They overcame those together. In YD's case, I understand more why he likes her and desperately wants her. YD knew she was connected to Tan; so, he started bothering her. Somewhere along the line, that amusement turned into like and now love. When she showed him concern in episode 11, he was really moved. It was like no one ever showed him compassion before. Other than the fact that she is kind, there is not much in ES to make two guys go crazy for her.

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Don't worry hun. I will still love KWB haha <3 How could I not ;)?

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Actually Young-do first meets Eun-sang before he knows who she is, what her connection to Kim Tan's family is and to
Tan himself. He first sees her delivering chicken to the motorcycle shop he frequents while pursuing one of his interests. She's strong, she's feisty and not easily bullied at all. She holds her own and even bests a couple of men who are teasing her and making suggestive comments. She threatens to call the cops on them for harassing an underaged girl if they don't pay her what she is owed for the chicken. He's intrigued and so interested he even calls for another delivery to the shop just so he can meet her again. So Tan first sees her at her weakest point, grovelling and crying and pursuing her wayward sister. But Young-do sees her at her strongest, holding her own in a situation that would make any woman feel uncomfortable. It's called "meet cute" and it's Young-do who meets her like this.

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I really enjoyed your post. I agree with you, especially on Tan's nastiness to Rachel and the whole cheating thing. It's trashy.

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Finally, thanks dramabeans :-)

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Nice episode tonight. Many lols which was much needed after last week's sad episode.

My favs -

a) Hyun telling YD to lower his eyebrow.
b) KT's mom telling ES how bad her skin looks ever since she got kicked out.
c) ES hitting KT for taking a taxi, and KT not fully understanding what being broke means.

My main critique this week is that I wish they would give us more of the back story of Won and Hyun. How they met, what made him fall for her, etc.

I know I'm also in the minority but I wanted to see more of Esther and Secretary Yoon together.

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The problem is - the only parts that are funny and interesting are the one-liner throwaways. It is almost like there are two writers - one that came up with the main (non) plot, and another that finds witty lines for characters to toss out.

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I know it's a little late but better late then never... I have started a blog with some behind the scene info. and pictures taken during the filming of this show. You can access at:

http://heirsattcis.blogspot.kr/

I will update this page until the filming of the show has been completed.

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Thank you for doing this :-)...

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Also, I have been meaning to tell you this, your son's school is really nice :-) and quite roomy. I love their cafeteria.

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Hi Ivoire, the cafeteria that is used for the show is not at my son's school, unfortunately. The school is nice, it just opened last year so everything still looks new. I think they are filming this Saturday. I will update the blog right after.

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Rachelle, you rock! I always scour the threads looking for your behind-the-scenes tidbits. I look forward to reading your blog.

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Rachelle:

I don't know if you will read this but I am curious about your comment. You said Kim Woo Bin is more friendly and easy going. Did he allow fans to take pictures with him?

Is LMH aloof or unfriendly then? You seem to imply that LMH is stand offish but he always gives the image of caring for his fans so who is LMH really? Friendly or snobbish?

Please reply if you read this. Thanks.

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All the cast is willing to take pictures with you when they are not busy except for LMH. He will sign autographs but only takes photos with those who directly help with the show. For example, when a couple of the school staff was recruited to be teachers, they did not get paid but was allowed a photo with LMH. However, when anyone else asks for a photo with him he refuses. I'm not sure if it's an issue dictated by his management company or personal decision. The main characters are usually surrounded by their make up artists, 1 for hair and 1 for powdering their face and script girl and manager follows everywhere they go so it's quite hard to get close to them. LMH did say hi to me when I was watching him play basketball and skateboard. Other then all his "people" I was the only one in the gym. Unfortunately, I was so flustered I only squeaked a "hi" back. I'm hoping to get some good pictures this weekend, time is running out.

I think it's their intense filming schedule but PSH usually walks around looking unhappy, so does all of her "people". KWB seems a lot more relaxed. He is usually joking around with the rest of the cast. All the actors are very friendly with the make up artists and assistants. I've observed many times where they put their arms around them.

Overall, the cast looks really great in person, much better then on screen. I think the lighting on the show makes their skin and lips look kind of strange.

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I think maybe his company or the production dont want him to have his pic taken willy nilly. They would save so much money if they say, "have a pic taken with LMH for payment." LOL!
Just had to laugh at you saying you got flustered. Imagine, he actually looked at you and said "Hi."
Could it be that LMH is getting into the character of KT and being quiet and taciturn? In a chinese show, he owned up to getting so into the character of City Hunter that his personality changed while filming the show.

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So glad that there was more humor in this episode. It's about time!

Also, did anyone else catch a City Hunter reference when Tan, Eun Sang and Myung Soo were in the car together? That made me laugh :)

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Yes. "Delete it while I'm asking nicely. You have no idea what I was like. I hurt people with a spoon and stuff."

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I love that she makes reference to other dramas... like when Eun Sang asked for a star to be picked... You're beautiful reference? lol. And then at the parents' meetings when all the pictures of the donors were from her previous dramas like gentleman's dignity and city hall and stuff. <3

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definitely a much better episode to come out of Heirs but 5% jump? That's pretty rare even nowadays. SBS has reclaimed the ratings crown.

Crazy how just yesterday cable considered 2% a success but now with answer me 1994 bringing in 8%+ ratings it beats out shows on big 3 ie. medical top team and mirae's choice

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The only reason is because Secrets ended. But what I wonder is what happened to the missing 8% or so?

On the last episode of Secrets it was roughly MTT 5%, Secrets 20%, Heirs 15%, total = 40%

Now it is roughly MTT 6%, Heirs 20%, Pretty Guy 6%, total = 32%.

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I'm confused who am I cheering 4 ?????? 😨 lol but on a good note pretty man is awesome !!!!! Srry LMH...JGS Wins

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Hey is PSH really dating JGS ???????? OMG

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huh... whered you hear that. I highly doubt it.

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Go 2 Bing n look JGS girlfriend 2013 I swear it has lke 5 cutesy pics of thm 2gether

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No. They're just very good friends.

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Can this show now just be called "Wasted use of seemingly interesting characters"? Because really, every time I see Won I go, oh wait he existed! How exciting! And now he is gone so Tan can mope and get possessive over Eun Sang. I have never dropped a drama what I was watching while it was still airing before, but I am seriously considering it now.

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I keep trying to drop it also, but then I get sucked in so that I can come up with another list of things that are just so WRONG.

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Yep, me too. Plus, I genuinely love Kim Woo Bin and I genuinely feel bad for Rachel and want to see how her story ends up.

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Can we get another Cha Eun Sang? I mean, as a clone; not replace her. Even though I still don’t know what they see in her, but for the both of them to be so hopelessly in love with her, I just want one for each of them. Young Do is just getting sad. [spoiler][end spoiler]

Aww, why is my OTP fighting? :( (obviously talking about Chan Young and Bo Na) Did an alien possess Won or something? The old Won would never let Tan into his room twice, much less give him a ride to school. I understand character growth, but this is like a whole nother character. I admire Hyun Joo’s teaching style, but please do not isolate Chan Young any more than he is already isolated in this “this school of Satans.” The reversal in how Eun Sang used to insist on paying Tan for everything was my favorite part of this episode.

Does anyone else love how Kim Woo Bin talks? Not his voice, which I do love, but the way he talks. He talks so cute! Like aegyo-y, but he does it to Tan, too. His “I’m right here” in the convenience store, and “Your first period is PE, right?” as Eun Sang was crying her eyes out, and “I saw you get on the elevator” rubbing it in Tan’s face. I spend so much time just replaying Young Do’s scenes. <3

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I'm sorry! My tag failed. :(

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gahhh, can we hold hands? cos i love it too...

whenever he's on screen more often that not i'd be "OMG, he talks so cute!!!" and my other k-drama friends don't really get it

not that i favoured him over LMH - now im collecting his black & white BTS stills on tumblr, imho LMH looks cute in colour

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U hve tumble u r awesome lol 😃

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*takes your hands and jumps up and down*

Yes, he talks so cute! Doesn't even matter what he's saying, I just squee over the way he talks. I'm sure he's acting cute on purpose, so it's totally working.

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LOL... but really, glad to know that im not weird?
based from the ending scene yesterday, i doubt we'll get our dose of cute speech tonight but who knows? errr, i kinda like growl-y YD too ..

im a CY&BN's supporter too, hope they'll make up soon. poor silly Bo Na.. i just wished i could reach into the screen and pat her head..

p.s. this weekend i might go on a KWB marathon. see you in the next recap :-)

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I also got the sense that the writer purposely made Young Do an even worse character to get more people on board with the KT/ES relationship.

Which I totally get because like I said last week, in the eyes of some fans, it seemed like YD could do no wrong. And no matter how awful his behavior was, people still defended him.

I feel like his character wasn't meant to be rooted for to be with ES, but rather someone we can feel sympathy for and like a little (a bit funny & charming when he wants to be).

It's like the writer had YD do lots of awful things (bullying the earlier kid, tripping ES, pushing her in the pool, etc) but some people still loved him no matter what. I imagine her wondering what it would take to get people to see him for the bad guy he is?

I do think there will be redemption for him in the end, but as for now he hasn't done much to redeem himself, or to get ES to like him. Promising not to bully someone is not romantic. And I think that's the charm of his character because he thinks that's being good to ES.

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@Vicky - I do hope there is redemption for YD at the end. The only reason I am sticking with this! And it may be true what you said about KES making YD worse on purpose.

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Our first introduction to both of Kim Tan's principal adversaries, Young-do and Won, are very negative. Young-do is engaged in a very scary, very realistic bullying session with the victim-du-jour when we first see him. Won is being cold, hateful and even robotic to his younger brother when we first see him. The writer is definitely leading us to not like these two characters by the way she introduces them. It's very cleverly and skillfully done by an experienced writer who knows her stuff.

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