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Heirs: Episode 2

The romance gets going lightning fast on this show, though the show itself is still rather slow to get started—it still feels like we’re in the introductory phase where everyone takes a turn in the spotlight to show us who they are. It doesn’t make for a fast-moving hour, but in general I like the world and the people, that is to say, I like looking in on the screwed up world, and I like the mystery behind their intricate relationships.

The couple takes center stage in this episode, and they have an easy rapport and a breezy chemistry that works for me. The tone of the show is far more contemplative and less rom-com-y than Secret Garden or A Gentleman’s Dignity, but I actually like that it feels a bit more like a throwback angsty teen flick than a comedy. So far, so good.

 
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EPISODE 2 RECAP

After ditching our homeless, passport-less heroine Eun-sang in the street to wait for her sister alone, Tan turns his car around and shows up at her side. They stare at each other intently, and then he offers to take her to his place.

She asks, “Is your place really safer than here?” He thinks about it and says he doesn’t know if it’s safer for her, but it IS nicer. Why did that sound like a come-on?

She decides to chance it, and her jaw drops as soon as they enter his ginormous house. He plops down on the couch and she looks around for his family, but he says he lives alone. That freaks her out more than anything, and she starts speaking in half-jondae: “W-what are you? Are you a drug dealer? A gangster, perhaps?” Ha.

He agrees just to mess with her, inching towards her with every word. I love that she grabs her backpack like a shield, but he leans in close just to point out that the door she’s leaning on leads to her room. Cheeky.

She finally gets to sit down and process the crazy that happened today, and sighs to relive her sister’s betrayal. Hunger pangs soon overtake her angst though, and she realizes she hasn’t eaten all day.

She sneaks out to the kitchen, only to find canned food and sports drinks in the fridge (Who keeps cans in the fridge?) and eats straight out of cans in the dark. That’s just sad. Tan finds her stuffing her face guiltily, and she swears she only ate stuff that was past its expiration date, and slides over a five-dollar bill to pay for her meal.

He asks how she lives that she eats expired food, but doesn’t get an answer. He asks her name, and only gets a, “Thanks for letting me stay here for the night.” Tan: “That’s a long name.” He says that none of this is charity—it’s repayment, since his friend stole the bean powder meant for her sister.

Meanwhile, Big Bro President Won is preparing to head to the States for a business trip, and Secretary Yoon (Chan-young’s dad) tells him that President Choi (Young-do’s dad) called to suggest he stay at one of their hotels.

Won notes that he’s already playing nice with Jeguk ever since he got engaged to RS’s president (Rachel’s mom), and that stops Secretary Yoon in his tracks. Aw, is she an old flame? Won continues to be an ass to Secretary Yoon, who’s still loyal as ever to his father and doesn’t hesitate to show it.

We meet Dad for the first time as he chats pleasantly with his ex-wife (the second wife with no kids). Chairman Kim is in a wheelchair, and Madam Jung tells him to stop being nice—it won’t get her to remove herself from the family registry.

He chuckles and says he has no intention of ousting her; after all, she’s the one who brought Tan’s mother into this house. She points out that it was better than the alternative, with him hiding his affair outside of the house.

Meanwhile Tan’s mother Madam Han has her ear pressed to the door trying desperately to hear what they’re saying. Won catches her red-handed, which is clearly a normal sight around here. She just rolls her eyes and announces him at the door.

She tells Won that his mother is here (by which she means stepmother, technically), but Won bites back that his mother is not in this house. She rolls her eyes again: “Fine. Ajumma. The ajumma who raised you is here! And this ajumma is leaving now.”

He walks into the room, and Madam Jung feels the icy non-greeting from Won. Theirs was clearly not a warm relationship, but she still feels slighted, and she points out that she did raise him for ten years. He snarks back: “I’m sorry I only amounted to this after you raised me for ten years.”

Dad has to call a cease-fire, and then tells Won that he should take Tan with him to his business meeting in LA. Won chafes at the idea, but Dad makes a point of saying that it’s not his company yet. He’s taking Little Bro, and that’s that.

Madam Han hilariously yanks Madam Jung aside, and despite the fact that they’re rivals, they’re surprisingly comfortable and frank with one another. Madam Han wants to know about her upcoming meeting with Rachel’s mom, saying that it’s in-law business and she should be in the know.

Madam Jung puts her in her place: “Who’s your in-law? Tan is MY son, have you forgotten that?” OH. Well that’s news to me. Also, do they have the most complicated family registry or what?

Madam Han counters that Tan sure would be happy to find out that his mother gets treated this way, while Madam Jung spits back that being called madam for a few years has made her think she’s a wife in this family. “But as long as I’m alive, you are just my husband’s mistress.” Dayum.

As she holds back her tears, Tan writes: “Another woman’s bags, another woman’s house, another woman’s husband… a pitiful person who spends her whole life wanting others’ things. That person is…” And his phone rings with a call from Mom.

Eun-sang finishes the thought: “Mom?” She’s calling her own, of course, and her eyes fill with tears as she lies through her teeth about unni’s beautiful house with a green lawn and how tanned she is from the California sun (Mom answers with taps on the phone’s receiver).

Tan overhears the whole conversation as he stands at the door with a sandwich, and I do love the look in his eyes every time he inadvertently catches her at her most vulnerable moments.

He shoves the sandwich at her and wonders about the dollar sitting on the nightstand, which she says is for the long-distance call. He says that she sure spends her money freely, and then she adds the dream catcher as payment for the room.

She tells him it wards off bad dreams and only pretty dreams are supposed to come through the holes. Tan: “Does it not bring pretty women?” He hangs it over his door with a smile, and then watches from the backyard as Eun-sang barricades her door, and then proceeds to undress in plain sight. He nearly chokes on his sandwich and runs inside in a hurry.

She wakes up in the morning to the nicest view that money can buy, and Tan watches her, taken with her smile and just suspended there. I swear, if he keeps staring that intently, I might not make it to ten weeks.

She finds him on his way out to school, relieved that he’s not a drug dealer after all, and jumps to get her things packed so she can be on her way. But he throws out excuse after excuse why she can’t go now—her sister’s diner doesn’t open till later, there are no buses here—and suggests she come with him to school since she mentioned always wanting to see what kind of schools people go to here.

So they drive up the coast and she warns him that she’s going to stick her hands out of the car. He lets her be embarrassing for one minute, but then smiles to see her enjoying herself.

He goes to class while she sits outside taking in the scenery, and he steals glances at her out of the window. In the first non-soul-cringingly-embarrassing English scene in this drama, the professor talks about beautiful words in the English language, and says that a survey put “mother” at the top of the list. It makes Tan pause.

True to slacker form though, he doesn’t turn in his essay that’s due today, despite the fact that he wrote one. The professor’s pretty zen about the whole thing, wondering if maybe he wouldn’t find more purpose if he started to turn things in. Rather wise.

He heads out and finds Eun-sang elsewhere on campus, watching a pair of Korean girls put up flyers for a party. She notes with a wisp of jealousy that she was just looking at kids who had met good parents. He assures her those parties are lame anyway.

She thanks him for everything and says her goodbye, intending to go find her sister on her own. He lets her take about two steps before insisting he’d rather ditch his next class and go with her, and she’s geeky enough to wonder why anyone would want to skip math class. What.

There’s more bad news at the diner though, because unni quit her job and skipped town. Her ex-boyfriend shows up just as upset because she took his money too, and when he starts demanding it back from Eun-sang, Tan steps in to get violent.

But the ex has two halfwit goons who start chasing them, so Eun-sang grabs Tan’s wrist and starts running. This whole scene is ridiculous, but I do love how much he’s enjoying the handholding and running.

He gets another call from Rachel that he ignores yet again, leaving her fuming in her gilded hotel room. She gets a call two seconds later and snickers thinking it’s Tan crawling back to her… but it turns out to be Mom. Ha. Spiteful, I know, but I enjoyed that.

Mom assumes she’s with Tan and asks what he said about her engagement to Young-do’s dad, and insists that Rachel tell him—isn’t he best friends with Young-do? Rachel: “They’re not friends.”

Back in Seoul, Young-do arrives at Dad’s hotel on his new motorcycle and goes to work in the kitchen scrubbing dishes. We hear from a pair of chefs that he’s been doing this every vacation since junior high, an order from Dad to learn the hotel business from the ground up if he’s to inherit the company someday.

He does as told, except he won’t do it with a sunny attitude, and talks back to the manager like he already owns the place. He hears that the police chief is dining here, and Young-do points out that that seems like a duty much more suited to him than washing dishes.

The chief prosecutor is dining with his family, and son LEE HYO-SHIN (Kang Haneul) assures dad and grandpa that he’s preparing well for his college exams. God, it’s a stifling atmosphere, with a father, grandfather, and two uncles all telling him exactly how he should be planning for his future. Thirty seconds in this room tells us that failure is not an option in the Lee family.

Young-do enters the room to introduce himself, and checks the service just as his father would, earning praise for his good manners. But the way he pours Hyo-shin’s water with a menacing undertone seems like there’s plenty of bad blood between these two. He fills the glass to the brim and says pointedly that he looked thirsty.

A few minutes later, Hyo-shin is knocking on Young-do’s door (he seems to live in the hotel, which makes sense) and asks to use his bathroom, and goes straight to the toilet to throw up his lunch. Huh.

They’re not friendly, but they’re on pretty close (and antagonistic) terms, given that Young-do knows about the upchucking habit. He calls Hyo-shin “sunbae,” but talks down to him, and wonders why he came all the way up here to lose his lunch. Hyo-shin says that it’s better than running into his father in the bathroom.

Young-do thinks it weird that Hyo-shin would show him any weakness, while Hyo-shin counters that Young-do has shown more faults than he has. I… can’t tell what the hell is with you two, but I kinda like that I can’t tell.

Back in LA, Tan continues to ignore his phone while Eun-sang buys coffee. She moons over drinking her americano in America, needing at least one happy memory of being here. Tan balks at that, and asks if she really doesn’t have a single good memory.

He pauses expectantly for her to think of them, but when she changes the subject, he actually gets pissy with her. Hee.

She sees a group of friends taking pictures together, and it triggers an idea for how she’ll get back home. (I suppose I should’ve guessed that her sister stole her plane ticket money too, but who buys one-way tickets?) She messages her buddy Chan-young online, since she doesn’t have his phone number memorized.

Tan peers at the message and wonders if it’s her boyfriend, and she says he’s a “boy” and “friend.” He doesn’t see how she intends to get this guy’s help when she doesn’t even know where he is, and she cries defensively, “He’s in my heart!” Hahaha. He’s so jealous.

He drops her off at home with his keys while he takes the cab back to pick up his car, and on the way he starts snooping into her online life because she left the account open on his phone. That’s when he finally learns her name, and sees the kinds of messages she posts.

Among them are: “I wish Freddy and Jason would make up,” and “I don’t wanna go to work today. On a rainy day in spring, I should be watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre.” Ha.

He finds what he’s looking for—pictures of Chan-young—and there’s a hilarious split screen where he imagines them conversing and interjects annoyed asides. It’s priceless. But one post leaves him wide-eyed: “I hate it that Mom is having a hard time. Down with Jeguk Group.” The cop finds him and hands off Eun-sang’s passport.

Back in Seoul, Bo-na pouts at all her unanswered calls to boyfriend Chan-young, wondering if he’s already found a pretty American girl to date. Young-do watches her hysterics and flirts that she’s pretty when she’s clinging, which rankles his buddy who’s obviously sweet on her. I get the sense that Young-do purposely says the most hackle-raising thing he can think of in any situation, just for shits and giggles.

This time Chan-young finally answers her call, and she asks why he hasn’t commented on the selca she posted online. He says he turned all that off because he couldn’t study, but he checks on her insistence, and that’s when he sees Eun-sang’s message.

Eun-sang packs her bag and heads up the stairs to leave… where she runs into Rachel, just arriving. Gah. They recognize each other from the airport, but Rachel’s more interested to know who the hell she is and why she’s at her fiancé’s house.

Eun-sang thinks that’s weird—the owner of this house is in high school. Rachel says they were engaged at seventeen, and that still doesn’t explain what she’s doing here. It only gets worse when she learns that Eun-sang spent the night, and turns her bitch dial up to ten as she kicks her suitcase down the stairs and then orders her to open it so she can make sure she didn’t steal anything. Good lord.

Eun-sang suffers the indignity of opening up her bag to prove that she’s not a thief, and Rachel spills the contents out just to be extra obnoxious. She tells her to clean up her trash, and Eun-sang is left holding back her tears. She sits outside at a park with her bag, with nowhere to go.

Bo-na paces back and forth, wondering why there’s still no response to her selca after two hours. She’s hilarious. Young-do tells her to dump him and date his buddy Myung-soo instead, and she calls him crazy three times, deflating poor Myung-soo.

Young-do is all jokes until the mention of Tan, when Myung-soo says that Rachel went all the way to LA to see him. Bo-na seems to be on Young-do’s side of whatever this feud is, because she tells Myung-soo that she hates hearing Kim Tan’s name.

Eun-sang goes to book a ticket back to Seoul, but finds that she’s short on cash, as expected. She asks to reserve it anyway, but then realizes that she still doesn’t have her passport.

Tan comes back home and asks where Eun-sang went, and Rachel points out that it’s been half a year since they’ve seen each other, but that’s all he’s got to say? So then he tosses in a half-assed, “You’ve gotten prettier.”

He sighs to hear that she told Eun-sang that they were engaged, and when she asks why he didn’t come to the airport to greet her, he doesn’t even bother to open his eyes as he gives the excuses that it was too far and too hot. She asks point-blank why he agreed to this engagement in the first place, and he says matter-of-factly: “So that I don’t have to marry you later.” Ouch. Also, do you people do everything backwards?

Eun-sang rings the doorbell, and Tan yells at her for leaving without a word. She’s just here for the cop’s card so she can get her passport back, but before Tan can tell her that he has it, Rachel says she threw it out in the trash.

Eun-sang races to the trash bins, and Tan tells Rachel to butt out. She heads down to grab her purse when she hears Tan’s phone go off, and reads the message from Chan-young with his phone number. I want to point out to her that deleting that would just give Eun-sang more reason to lean on Tan for help, but I think self-foot-shooting is her style.

Tan comes out to find Eun-sang digging through the trash, and asks if she’s crying. She says she’s been trying not to cry, but no matter how hard she tries to escape her life, here she is, next to the trash all over again. She cries that there’s no twist to her story.

He apologizes and hands her the passport, when suddenly two NEW thugs show up looking for him. What in the what? Why does this keep happening?

There’s literally no explanation, since the only point is to give them another reason to hold hands and run. So they hold hands and run. (I’m sorry, did you just run from Malibu to Hollywood? Pwahaha.)

They duck into a movie theater to hide, and Eun-sang gets lost in the movie, but doesn’t understand the dialogue. Tan starts translating for her: “She says, ‘If I’m going to trust you, I need to know who you are.'”

And then he starts making up his own lines: “She says she met someone yesterday. Her name was Cha Eun-sang.” Eun-sang wonders how he found out her name.

Tan: “But now there’s something she’s curious about… Do I… maybe… like you?”

 
COMMENTS

It’s interesting how different Tan is with Eun-sang, and that he consciously has many faces: the heir and (outwardly) dutiful son, the party boy, the thoughtful writer, and the slacker who couldn’t care less. My favorite thing about him is that he’s actually too lazy to rebel properly—he admits so himself, and it’s evidenced by his engagement to Rachel, which is the path of least resistance. Do as you’re told, and keep your head down. There’s something nicely subdued about the character that keeps him interesting, because he represses his conflicts instead of acting out. The go-to chaebol archetypes get played in the other characters—Won, Young-do—so it’s really (really) great to have a hero who’s a shade more realistic, grayer in motivation, and a little lost.

The exiled prince metaphor works perfectly for this character, not just because the family is, as javabeans pointed out, set up like a carbon copy of Joseon royalty, but because it encapsulates the wasted potential in the hero—he could be great, a leader, a future king, but gets his wings clipped and caged because his existence poses a threat. The fact that we begin here, where he’s accepted his lot in life as the extraneous son who’s supposed to hide to survive, makes his arc a fascinating one. The two moms conflict isn’t even the usual birth secret, and I’m interested to know why they chose to make him the son of the de facto concubine rather than the queen—it’s playing chess with your children for the sake of the inheritance, and it’s at least strange enough that I find it interesting rather than just the same old. At least I hope the answer isn’t the same old.

Though two episodes of setup doesn’t feel as zippy as I would’ve liked, I do enjoy the way we get introduced to characters. There’s simmering animosity underlying every interaction that makes me curious about the backstory, but it’s nice to let that inform present attitudes without dropping The Past into our laps. With the exception of the main couple whose first meeting is onscreen, everyone else has a history we aren’t privy to, and I love feeling like we’re only hitting the tip of the iceberg with all the relationships. That kind of storytelling is engaging without gimmicks, and I think the show is strongest when it uses that.

On the flipside, then there’s the reaching for yet another excuse to get the couple running from thugs (because that’s the only way to ignite romance, apparently—sparks via mildly threatening surfer goons), and then I basically want to spork my eyes out. I mean, does the Candy really need to be digging in the literal trash to feel like trash? Is that necessary? We geddit. She’s poor.

That aside, I do think the couple has sparks—the lingering moments, the intense gazes—all of that is golden, and I really like them together. She’s pricklier than he is, which is great, but also not so down on herself and so doom and gloom that she can’t just enjoy a nice day like an eighteen-year old should. I can actually see how and why he’s taken with her, and frankly that’s not always a given with romance. Sometimes I watch sixteen episodes still wondering, And why do you two like each other again?

But he keeps seeing her at her worst, when she’s down on her luck and at her wit’s end, and there’s this fantastic silent empathy happening that I just love. The show is still finding its footing (and being outside of Seoul is most of that, I’d wager) but I like where we’re headed with the couple. Attraction happening this quickly means it leaves a lot more room for unexpected turns, and that has me excited for what’s to come.

 
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I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know the song in Heirs in ep 2 when they are driving in the car and PSH puts on the sunglasses then moves her hand through the wind? I cannot find anything about Heirs OST, and do not know how to find the song.

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Hong Ki's song is in youtube with subs...i'm loving it XD

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This one is not Hong-ki's song, but thanks for trying :)

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sorry, it seems you didn't understand of what kind of song she was looking for, she didn't talked about lee hong ki's song, she talked about this song...

http://youtu.be/hcX7r1Ie3Ig

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Is anyone having trouble opening the link to "Driving Road" by Young Joon? 4shared.com keeps telling me that the link is not valid ...

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somethings definitely wrong wit the link...
until GF fixes it, i've uploaded the song to my 4shared.
let me know if this link works :)

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/2RRRomqi/Young_Joon_-_Driving_Road.html

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Nope, it's not working still ):

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OKAY this one should work! (fingers crossedddd)
http://www.4shared.com/mp3/42txeX4v/1-01_Driving_Road__Feat__.html?

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in time like this, i always hoping that 'Sound Hound' understand korean.. sigh (T_T)

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heh sound hound only recognizes really popular korean songs, unfortunately~ i wonder if there's a korean equivalent to sound hound...?

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If you have an Android phone, try Music ID. It tends to work better than SoundCloud wth K-pop.

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Yeah sound hound didnt recognize it :( I am hoping they keep playing the song throughout the show, or the music Gods open another path for me to find the song. Either way I am in love with a song I cannot find.

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I find that I have more luck with Shazam.

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You can always just download the whole OST for the drama and listen to each of the songs until you find that one. All the songs used in the drama will be on the OST.

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Likely the song hasn't been officially released. The only OST song released so far is Hongki's. So you'll will likely have to wait and see since OSTs usually are released in parts while the drama is airing.

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Did you get to find out the song title?

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No not yet, but it was played in episode 3, so there is hope that it is part of the OST and I will find out someday!

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then maybe you are talking about this..

http://youtu.be/hcX7r1Ie3Ig

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maybe she's looking for this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnK8hsbo55E

I am desperately looking to the title of this song dream cather theme.. please email me back.

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It finally came out today, Serendipity by 2Young~

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Yay!

After such a long spell in dramaland, I've finally found my drama crack.

It's not perfect, but I'm happy to go for a joy ride while it lasts. :)

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Right? I'm going to hold this drama in front of me with a 10 foot poll. Try not to get to excited for episodes and keep my hopes kind of low but get really really happy when they succeed. That way if they don't I won't be to devastated. I've gone through drama blues too often not to do this!

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That's what I am saying! I don't even remember the last drama that made me eager to rush home from school/work to download in HD (and HD only) to watch.

Seriously, Lee Min Ho/Tan can melt my panties with his gaze at Eun Sang! Swoon!

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i havent started Heirs bc im still trying to get over Master Sun lol I loveeee that show n would rather trade in Heirs for a season 2 of MS lol, so i dont know if ya seen it but do! bc i came running to my computer every weds/thurs bc of it and Im still trying to get over it lol

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His gaze is definitely swoon worthy.
Lee Min Ho and Park Shin Hye chemistry is by no means explosive, but you've definitely got a bone to pick with if you think there's no chemistry there. There's something alright. That iiiiiittty bitty bit is there somewhere in those quiet moments.

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I absolutely agree. It's not explosive, but there's definitely something, and I say this as someone who was VERY wary of the pairing at first - this isn't Gu Family Book, where the main leads looked like buddies/oppa-dongsaeng all the way through.

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YES.

Lee Min Ho and Park Shin Hye together is just adoooorable. I love those quiet subtle moments between the two of them. It's so intimate.

I was thrilled when Park Shin Hye was casted as Lee Min Ho's leading lady after all the ones he's had in the past. I adore Park Shin Hye.

She and Lee Min Ho is dabaek. The way he looks at her is just. UGH.

To borrow Javabean's quote, "I swear, if he keeps staring that intently, I might not make it to ten weeks."

This might become BOF 2.0 for all we know, but I'll go down hanging on to this ship. lol

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So...much...staring...

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true...its not the explosive, spine-tingling, knee wobbling kind of chemistry.. and I actually think its more realistic that way...people who fall in love dont always have to immediately have to have that electrifying spark of attraction...

I love their quiet moments...LMH could just melt hearts with that stare.....it males me giggle.

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Haha, yeah I know the feeling. I really wanted this drama that I ran home for. But, at least we get cutie Minhyuk and Minho and Woo Bin and...

Last drama that caused me to run home...maybe...I Can Hear Your Voice or Nice Guy or Good Doctor. Yeah, those three.

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yeah good doctor was amazing...

I love joo won ang his....palli....palli...!

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Tan's constant gazing at Eun Sang reminds me of what I did back when I was 17 and I laid eyes on the most beautiful girl I had ever seen. Looking back now it was a creepy thing to do but I didn't care back then. Every time Tan gives Eun that gaze I can't help but sing

"First love, first love, she was my first love"

The scenes are so cheesy but man it brings back memories.

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I forgot to mention, the guy who kept on calling out Lamar Odom in the class and Tan's Hogwarts joke killed me. I I honestly did not expect to hear this stuff, I was so taken offguard that I just burst out in to laughter in the middle of the train.

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Daemul,

Good to hear from you :-). I would like to touch on this you wrote: "The scenes are so cheesy but man it brings back memories." As you know, in Kdramas, and especially in the ones categorized as rom-com, we will have cheesy, that's expected, same in US movies and TV series.

I don't mind cheesy, AS LONG AS it is delivered with sincerity, feels organic and it is well acted. It also has to go well or make sense with what we know about the characters. So, my ex. for now would be Gu Family Book, the 1st two episodes. Choi Jin Hyuk (who plays Kim Won, LMH's brother in this drama) is a gumiho, who quickly falls in love with a mortal woman. Their story starts and kind of ends in 2 ep. I personally loved CJH in that role (and therefore I loved daddy gumiho) because I felt that CJH managed to make me believe that what WR was feeling and saying (WR is the daddy gumiho) was real. It felt and looked organic (to me) and I bought what he was selling. So, some of the lines were cheesy, however the way they were delivered and acted was believable, and they were congruent with what we were told about the characters, as we were getting to know them.

So I feel that cheesy can work, if well done (meaning written well, delivered well, acted well, directed well etc...). And by the way, I was not criticizing what you said, just making an observation. I hope it is OK that I did that.

You also responded to someone, saying that you don't like romance to be the be all and end all in a drama. Neither do I. I like romance (I don't mind it, but I don't always have to have it, personally), but like you (or what I read between the lines), I want more. Give me something to think about, something to chew on, something to ponder, besides being cute (which again I don't mind) and adorable. If the romance is all there is, then the plot is rather thin, if you ask me.

Coming back to the cheesy scenes, I think we react to them because we have experienced them or we will. And women/females tend to live vicariously through a character, a movie or a drama (it's our escapism). So cheesy scenes (and emotional scenes in general) can "talk" to us. There is a reason why some of us talk back to our computers, saying to a character, "I feel you," (meaning I feel your love for her, your hate, anger, compassion, etc...). I know I have done that (talking back to the computer screen during a scene), and it didn't always have to be about a love scene (I don't mean it sexually) or a scene about love. It could be a scene about anything, but the acting had to be good (I had to be able to feel it).

Thank you for explaining about Lamar Odom, that made sense. I also asked a friend, who said that he used to play well, but before the season was over, his statistics were not as good, so that could be the reason why his name was also the saddest name in the English language.

I think I remember the joke about Hogwarts. I will have to rewatch the scene as well. I think I took it as KT not really taking schoold seriously and not going to school, since I think Hogwarts is a school for wizards in Harry Potter, isn't it? So not a real school, just a place where they do magic (and learn about it)? I could be wrong as I am not a Harry Potter fan. I have never read a single book and I have seen scenes in some of the movies, because other people were watching it. So I am writing this, but as I said, I could be wrong. And then of course, I could google it, which I didn't think of doing.

It's really great conversing with you. I am enjoying it. I hope your weekend is going well :-).

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Ivoire,

Your observation was fine, don't worry about it. I agree that cheesy scenes are ok if they are organic and well acted, since they would be more believable and less likely to make me cringe. The problem is that many writers, producers, directors or whoever has control over those scenes, seem to purposefully add in the most cringe worthy moments into their drama's or movies without any thought whatsoever about the effect they will have. One of the most infamous examples of this is when the hands/legs/body part of the two romantically involved characters rub against each other and the characters just suddenly stop what they're doing and look as if they are thinking. "OMG he/she touched me, I'm in luvvvvvvv!". This sort of moment completely destroys a scene for me, because if it so OTT cheesy that it makes me groan. Even if the lines before were delivered well, stuff like this is just bad.

If stuff like this was removed forever and replaced with properly written and delivered romantic dialogue then the romance genre will have come a long way.

Yeah, you have probably guessed that I'm not the biggest fan of romance in drama's or movies, but it is unavoidable, even in full on action movies. As long as it's not the entire focus I don't mind it, since like in The Heirs it brings a smile to my face to watch it, but it does seem like something showrunners of drama's fall back on when they are running out of idea's so that they keep the female audience interested. I'm not sure about this, but I have heard that K-Drama's use live shooting? This would allow the showrunners to change stuff to please the audience, and with the audience overwhelmingly being female, you just know that "add more romance" will be at the top of the showrunners to-do list.

What I am liking about The Heirs, is that while ofcourse the romance will be an important subplot of the show, there is a promising premise developing aswell, with the concept of inheritance and what it means to different people. It does seem to be something limited to the guys though, except for maybe Rachel and what she will/will not inherit from her Mum.

Your friends explanation about Odom seems more accurate than mine, since the whole divorce thing is recent and I'm not sure when the episode was recorded.

I can't remember much about the Harry Potter thing either, I still haven't gone back to re-watch it but when I have time I will.

No problem and my weekend is going fine, except for there being no football(soccer) to watch on TV, but tis a minor problem, since it means for time for Korean Drama's :D and Dramabeans :P

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Hello Daemul,

I don't know if you will see this response, and I personally hope that you will. I saw that you responded yesterday (Sunday) early morning, and I have to say that my Sunday (and Monday) were filled to the brim with duties and activities. I have a friend who is coming back from out of town, and to welcome her back, I decided to cook for her (3 main dishes, one salad, 2 side dishes, and dessert). Needless to say, doing all that is quite time consumming (actually very time consumming), however, that is how I show people that I care and appreciate them, so I did it. My other roommate was all excited about the food, so then I HAD to really do it (she looked like a puppy, thinking and talking about trying these dishes she had never had, and she was sooo cute).
And Monday... Well, you know how Mondays are, don't you? :-). Needless to say, I was glad to see your long response.

OK, so your 1st paragraph brought out some observations in me. About this, "One of the most infamous examples of this is when the hands/legs/body part of the two romantically involved characters rub against each other and the characters just suddenly stop what they’re doing and look as if they are thinking. “OMG he/she touched me, I’m in luvvvvvvv!”
I know what you are talking about, as I remember those scenes in Kdramas. However, I don't read them and interpret them the way you do. There was such a scene in ep. 20 (I think) of GFB, which was well acted, btw.

So, with those scenes, a lot of the times, it is not as much as the characters thinking "I am in love" (though some might be, based on the context set-up prior to that scene), as much as it is both characters being or becoming aware of their physical attraction to each other, which introduces the thought of them lusting for one another (at some point), since we know that it will eventually come into play. So body parts are touched, and we are made to believe that the temperature is rising in the room (and one or both characters might be fanning themselves, etc...), their heart is beating faster, and they are thinking about what that possibly means.

That also means that they then (or also), have to think about what to do with what they are feeling, when physical touch happens, and that depends on the situation. Is one character only aware of the attraction at the moment, or are they both? Are they supposed to be conservative, or more progressive, when it comes to skinship? Where are they (physical location)? Alone? In someone's house, the office, a car etc...?

I actually understand those scenes, and in real life, we sometimes experience them as well. I mean that we can become aware of how attracted we are to someone, and not be sure of how to proceed, based on many things (some of which are listed above). Again, I am being long winded, however I hope that I am making sense. I think the problem for me (again), is when those scenes are not well acted, when you can see it coming and it is not well directed. Such a scene happened in GFB as well. KC (the male lead) was going to try to kiss the female lead (can't remember her name right now, YW, I think), and he leaned towards her, and he keeeeept leaaaaning in. It became very obvious that they were supposed to be interrupted by an outside force, but because their almost kiss lasted for so long, it lost its punch and what they were trying to convey (it was not convincing). The outside interruption eventually happened, and we had the awkward glances, clearing of the throat, etc... but the moment was not convincing. (I hope I made sense).
This is quite a common trope in Kdramas (as you know), and I don't mind it, if it is well done.

This, "If stuff like this was removed forever and replaced with properly written and delivered romantic dialogue then the romance genre will have come a long way." I am all for properly written and delivered romantic dialogue, IF they want to have romance (which is not always necessary, as we have agreed on).

You are not the biggest fan of romance, and I can understand that. Have you seen dramas like "the chaser?" It is a political one, well written. I am sure they are a few good ones like that . "The President" (KBS, 2010) was also a good political one, with some interesting twists and a really well acted drama. I simply loved it.

I do like however that like in Heirs, romance can bring a smile to your face. You do know that in Heirs however, we are gonna have some major romance, don't you? :-) I just hope that the other characters are well fleshed out, and that the conflicts are interesting, griping and not just surface conflicts. I guess we will find out, as we watch the drama.

Yes, Kdramas use live shooting, unfortunately. and I agree with the points you have made in that #, about romance being the producers and writer's fall back trope when they are struggling to fill in the episodes.

This, "there is a promising premise developing aswell, with the concept of inheritance and what it means to different people," I like, and I agree with. So, we could get to explore what it means to be an heir, and the price to pay when one is one. Do they have choices, or do they have some freedom? Do they stay in line, or do they rebel and chose to walk away, at the risk of losing everything? Etc... So many questions, let' s see what the writer does with those.

I think that the girls will have to deal with that question as well, by that I mean that they could. ECS is heir to poverty, yet she is rebelling at the beginning of the drama, trying to change her fate. How does being heir affect the girls? What does that mean for them, and to them? Will that be explored well, or will that be glossed over? Again, so many questions that could be explored.

This,"since it means for time for Korean Drama’s :-) and Dramabeans :-)" And we are glad to have you here (I know I am :-) ).

I hope your week started well...

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Daemul,
I am a girl, so please allow me to go "Awwwww..." at the story you shared about the girl you liked at 17. Thank you for sharing that.

2--I personally did not get the jokes. Do you think you can explain, please? (the two you talked about).

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Yeah Ivoire, no problem, and your welcome for the story :)

The first joke was about Lamar Odom, a famous basketball player who played in LA and who is currently married, well, is in the process of a divorce with Khloe Kardashian. So when the teacher asked what is the most beautiful English word in the world and Lamar's name was called out it was a reference to his hero status in LA, when his name was called out again when the teacher asked about the saddest English word in the world, I took it as a cheeky joke about his impending divorce from Khloe and his troubled family life.

The second joke I can't remember very well, but I think it was when PSH was asking LMH about his school and whether it was International and he sarcastically replied, "Yeah, I go to Hogwarts" or something to that effect. I'll have to look up the scene again because I have forgotten the context of it, but I remember thinking how witty it was at the time.

Anyway, I hope this helped you :)

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Sorry Daemul, my response to your post is here:
2.2.4.1.1 Ivoire October 12th, 2013 at 5:49 pm (a little higher)

Does your screen name has anything to do with the Kdrama Daemul?

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Yeah, saw your message.

Yeah, that and also SKK Scandal. I personally think it's the most amazing nickname ever, so I have stolen it and taken it as my own. :P

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wow so quick! thanks GF!

I'm liking the chemistry of the 2 =). i hope it will continue till the end

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Finally! All I want to say to begin is

SHE WRIST GRABBED FIRST!!!

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I was skeptical from the first episode, but the second one has me hooked.

I LOVE that Tan is not a jerk rich boy and that Eun Sang isn't a completely helpless girl.

I also really like how speedy the romance is. Instead of waiting 20 episodes to see if they will finally admit their feelings for each other and this stupid back and forth nonsense, we lay it all out on the table and get to watch it unfold!

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I've my next crack drama! Yeah!

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I agree. As a guy I am not a fan of romance in general and I usually end up fast forwarding past romance-related scenes because they bore me to death with their super slow build up and OTT drama, a very common flaw in romance subplots. This straight and to the point romance is my cup of tea and makes the romance scenes actually watchable. For the first time in many years, I am not fast forwarding past romance-related scenes.

What's keeping me interested in the Drama is that I really want to know why so many of the characters hate or have a general dislike for each other. There seems to be some underlying issues between characters which haven't been unveiled as of yet and I look forward to seeing what they are.

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Hey Daemul!

I also feel like romance alone really doesn't justify a drama. I love a GOOD romance, but the dramas that exclude heaven and earth to focus on romance...seem sadly incomplete, to me.

I wonder if you saw Hagkyo 2013, and if so, what you thought of it?

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Hey Nathan

Yeah, I agree with you about Romance. I don't mind it being added into drama's, because it is a useful tool for building up the relationships between characters, I just don't want it to become the be all and end all.

No, I haven't seen Hagkyo 2013, but I've searched it and it sounds intresting. I'll check it out and see what I think of it.

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Hakgyo is just about the best K-Drama I have ever watched. I didn't know any of the actors, or the writers, but it just kept getting better and better....deeper and deeper. Characters you had never noticed kept coming out into the 3-dimensional, without the drama losing focus at all...everyone had a story, and none of them depended on romance. And though I'm not primarily an action fan, there was quite a bit of it.

I can't praise Hakgyo highly enough.

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Me too! I thought the first ep was lame beyond belief--just a few flashes of good--but this one is well on the way! I'm looking forward now, with hope. But not too much--expectations are the devil, and I don't want to jinx myself! Thank goodness for DB and all of y'all posting!

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Yeah, I am actually very much looking forward to the rest of this drama, as long as it keeps me laughing like episode 2 did.

"Lets break up"

Young-do + Myung-soo = Awesome

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It is so nice and so refreshing to have a guy share his thoughts with us. I hope that we will continue to read from you, Daemul.

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Yes, I loved that she grabbed his arm first, and I think Tan loved it more than we did lol. I also loved that she was visually offended when he pulled his hand from her grasp when noticed Rachel's call. They are both visibly falling for each other. I am not sure she realizes that she is falling right along with him. Or maybe she does, but that pesky problem with the fiancé, I am sure is on her mind.

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At least Eun Sang had a chance to hear about that "pesky problem with the fiance" at the airport exit. In other words, she knows that he wasn't in a rush to meet that doll.

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I agree, this is where we will get why it was so important for her to overhear that conversation at the airport. I think this will only cause Rachel to be a bitch to her because she knows she "knows".

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Good point.

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aahhhhhhhhhh the episode was great l love the way park shin hye acts!!!!!!!!!!!!! great work girlfriday and kaedjun

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yesterday i put about what actually javabeans thought..,
today,i'll put mine...
i think 2nd episode not even better than yesterday.
but everytime Kim Woo Bin and Kim Ji Won appears on screen..
It make me wants more...their acting and characters really attractive.
KWB<3

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I think that everyone is entitle to their opinions but those 2 that you mention are the same old characters worst than the classical Cinderella. I also do not get why they are comparing Rachael to Blair. I saw Gossip Girl and Blair was a very strong, complex and with a lot of depth character. All I see in Rachael is the classic Witch of the story... with Blair she was nice, she was evil, she plotted she was loyal she cared and did not throw tantrums hers were fully thought out plots! now as KWB I think he is doing better than Rachael true he has the evil rich guy down to a pat but I think Chuck Bass omg! Chuck Bass was a player, someone that could seduce any girl and could also put anybody down with so much class I am only seeing anger on KWB so I won't say anymore

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thanks thanks thanks
And OMG
been waiting for ep2 recap even though I already finished watching it with Subs. God thank you so much for this blog I can voice out this explosive thoughts I have.
First of all, Lee MinHo looking sorta falling in love is the best part of this episode. Already we have a proposal and its only episode 2, the only thing I remember in this episode. well actually I don't know if its admission per se since the subs I watched sorta weird cause their have questions marks and interchanging spanish-english sub at the end. Made me a lot confused but still, I like a guy who doesn't beat a round the bush. Just throws me off my rocks. I love it. *squeal* aaahhhhh...

I remember another thing/scene, the cliche glance-stare of the leads which was just so awkward for me to watch. I cringe at the glancing-staring. Aiissshhhh

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Lee Min Ho can't do comedy. I don't think he knows when he says things that are supposed to be funny. But this episode felt better than the last one but very predictable and slow. It is a really very ordinary show. But it looks really great though. I still like Woo Bin way more than Lee Min Ho. I think he can deliver his lines a little better than Lee Min Ho. Lee Min Ho does not look like he is enjoying himself.

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Lee Min Ho need to back to his old types...
the way he's deliver his lines pretty awkward..

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The only thing he has done so far is stare intently. And PSH too. I know they are supposed to mean something (compassion, caring, understanding, meh) but I'm not feeling anything. I did like to see them running around, however nonsensical it was. Much better than the silent looks.

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Is it wierd for me to think this? But for some reason, I kept thinking how Lee Jong Suk could have delivered those lines and how he would have acted. Even in my imagination, Lee Jong Suk did better that Lee Min Ho. Please feel free to delete if I am not supposed to say this.

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I'm just hoping Lee Min-ho and Kim Woo-bin don't end up having a bromance that makes Lee Jong-suk jealous. :D

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You're actually not the first person I've seen comment that they would have liked LJS to taken on Kim Tan's role. I wonder what is prompting people to make this particular comparison. Much as I love Jong Suk though, I don't think he's ready to lead a big-name production like this one. His star power's not quite as strong as LMH's, though hopefully that will be changing in a year or so.

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Well, LMH had even less star power than LJS back when he did Boys Before Flowers and that was a pretty big production. Just an observation, not fangirling for LJS although I like him.

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To Mina: Really? I thought I was just being weird... But I understand what you are saying though. Sigh. I really like Lee Min Ho but he is not all there in this one... *exasperated with myself*

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@mina
put aside about LJS..Honestly.,LMH acting level right now is the same as idol-actor..

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I think Mina means in terms of fame, not necessarily acting abilities. LMH is definitely the most famous one of the 2. I think the comparisons may be coming because LJS has been showing up everywhere recently- dramas, films, CFs, everything- and is the "it" guy of the moment, whereas LMH has been doing other things like recording and fan tours and not as active in dramaland. JS looks more like a high school student and can act, so the comparisons make sense to me.

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Argh... I really hate to say this. I don't really think LMH is doing a good job. I want him to do well because I like him but he just looks so uninterested.

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I like it that LMH got this role but the LJS alternative did played in my mind.. and i thought it was just me came up with this.

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With the way LMH's character is presented in the first 2 episodes, I think it's more of the writing and directing shortcomings than the actor's fault. I'm indifferent to LMH, only seeing him in City Hunter and snippets of Faith and BOF, but I think he's more capable of what we have seen here.

As much as I love watching Lee Jong Suk in big productions, it's a good thing that he's not in this drama whew

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Yeah, you notice it , too? I think , too,LMH is not convincing enough. I think there is a problem with his face, he sort of lost it. Not in terms of becoming ashamed, but the face as a part of his body. That face made him unique and original. Ther is a subtle change in his face that makes him look more standard ( that's why you think an actor with a standard looks could make the role, too). I don't know if it is a make up ,or age or a jaw correction?
LMH used to have a square jaw which made him look extremely manly and exuding masculine feromones. Now his face is narrower, softer and his lower part is not moving enough. And those red lips! He was much better with pale lips. When I first saw him in BOF and PT I thought : what a huge leverage is this face to an actor! Even if you convey the emotions of the role in a wooden way, the viewr can get distracted by the subtle and multiple angles of your face, AND if you are a good aactor then it is da bomb. And I analized : what makes this face look so great? Apart from vivid eyes it was definitely his jaw and mouth. Now I just don't find those angles anymore.They are vanished.
Or maybe it is lack of chemistry between him and PSH. I mean, she is OK, she is pretty good, even if I don't like her type, I must say ,she made the scene in the car in a way I started to like her. It is something with him.

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There is definitely something different about LMH's jaw, favoree. I thought I was the only one who noticed bc no one else seems to be saying anything about it. I had just seen City Hunter (this was just earlier this summer) then saw some pics of him for his fan tour and there was such a huge change! I don't know if it's just how his face is aging or if he had something done, but something seems different.

I actually think he's playing the role well. The thing is, his character is supposed to be almost completely disinterested, and so if he's coming off as disinterested that's a good thing. I look at it that his character is sorta just sleepwalking through life, so we'll have to wait till he awakens as the drama progresses to get more passion and oomph.

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We've all seen his capabilities in BOF but perhaps he looks "uninterested" because he's trying to tap into the role of kim tan who is supposed to be super lazy to do anything. Hence, not your typical arrogant outlandish chaebol.
I can totally see how people might think he isn't really doing much with his acting but kim tan to me is so real.
Like your average joe. It's sort of like a breath of air for me.
He seems like a typical college student (aside from all the money he has) that you can definitely get to know.
I like that.

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I agree... I like this, everyday boy type LMH is bringing to the table too. He doesn't need to be an overly hero type as the character isnot and having a chaebol heir who actually shows heart from the beginning instead of being "changed" by the Candy girl later on is what made me think that maybe this drama might not be an eye-candied flop.

Things could go wrong of course, but after this episode I have allowed myself to hope

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@ilikemangoes, DITTO ! you verbalised all that I wanted to say. like those honest comments.

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I totally agree with that!! love the fact that he is just average!! call him uninterested, boring..but that is what is character is compared to the rich mean kid that we all love to hate :D

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I guess others want to be the writers and directors of this drama, because clearly he can only be the character he is supposed to be. He is not GJP from BOF, he is Kim Tan from Heirs, and they are 2 different people. He is supposed to be lazy, not feeling much, and not caring much, as instructed by his hyung. But we already see much of that changing already, with him feeling something for Eun Sang.

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Second that! Probably we still looking at LMH as 'emotional GJP' who showed his expressions right away or as City Hunter's strong willed and driven adult...but here he is an average teenager with a -could care less- attitude who happened to be korean chaebol. He lives in cali, away from all those ppl at korean who knows him, away from his glamorous environment. He is lonely and kinda feel detached from the world he lives in. Still try to fit in..esp..when he is still an illegitimate child..so it kinda make sense to me. I am glad he is not overacted here.

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I agree with you. I don't see the flaws in LMH's acting that keep getting pointed out above. I see him playing the type of character he was assigned, and doing it very well.

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Well said.

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true...true....kim tan is made to look like he is disinterested in life....after all he was told not to care....

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But I am not getting the uninterested vibe either. His character is confusing. Like, Lee Jong Suk's character in School 2013 was supposed to be uninterested in everything at the beginning and I could feel it. He was just...existing. But he made you care about him from the beginning. Tan is supposed to be lazy and uninterested too but he kind of is not. He is not partying it up in LA, he likes to write, he goes to school and pays attention. I don't know. I don't think he is terrible, it's just that I don't get what I'm supposed to be feeling from him.

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Everything we know about Kim Tan from epi 1 and some epi 2 is not the real him. He is only following the instructions of his brother, they aren't things he WANTS to do. Therefore we don't even really know this character yet, because he is not even himself.

My point is, he is currently living in a world he doesn't want to be. This is shown by his choice of friends (he isn't even interested in the girls, and he doesn't really seem to genuinely like his friend, and probably thinks he is stupid). His disinterest in his fiancé, because she wasn't his choice. His avoiding his mother, because I think he some what blames her for his banishment. Because she covets what doesn't belong to her, he is forced into banishment.

He might show up for school, but he isn't turning in his work, so that says a lot without having to say a word. We also see this throughout this character. He is showing up but he isn't turning in his work. He is just there.

Then here comes Eun Sang, the first thing that has peaked his interest in these 3 years. Therefore we are seeing someone who was going through the motions, finally care about something.

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That contradicts what we know, though. I may be mistaken but I thought he did not want to turn in that particular homework because it was about his mom. From what he has said he is at least trying to be a good student because it's his way to NOT do what his brother told him to. I agree that his character is confusing and the acting is not helping us understand him better but I also agree that he may get much better and interesting once his true self comes to the surface. We'll have to wait and see.

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@TAN-SU wait are we even watching the same show? We don't even know what the assignment is about. He wrote down the word mother only because it struck a chord with him, because it is supposed to be the most beautiful word in the world. We don't even know if the assignment is about that.

The teacher even said he would find more purpose if he turned things in. Which indicates he doesn't normally turn things in, and this wasn't the first day.

When did they say he was a good student? We do not know that. All we know is that he likes to write, because it causes him to think, SOMETHING HE ISN'T ALLOWED TO DO, as instructed by his brother, and it is kind of his form of rebellion. He is always writing. He writes about his brother and the rest of his family etc. We know he is not a good student because he doesn't turn his work in as usual, and he ditches his math class which he hates. But his brother also told him not to excel so he is just following orders.

My question is, how are we supposed to have these concrete opinions about the show, when we don't even know what is going on in the show? If we are not paying attention to the details, do we really know the drama we are watching?

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The day before he was writing the essay about the mom when she called. We heard it in voiceover. When ES sister asked him what he was writing at the restaurant he said homework. She says he doesn't seem like the type to do homework and he says it's his form of rebelling, so he is trying because his brother told him NOT to. Granted, I have to read subtitles so maybe stuff gets lost in translation.

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I also got the impression that he didn't want to turn in the homework because it was about his mother. He was writing an essay about her the night before and they were discussing the word mother in class, so it doesn't seem like a far fetched conclusion to me. I don't know if the professor referred to a specfic homework or homeworks in general because I don't understand Korean but I thought he was talking about this one since he knew Tan had done the homework.

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Haha I just realized that scene is actually in English. Duh. Then I re-watched and the professor says "turn it in sometime". He didn't say turn things in. It could refer to one or more, I don't know. It doesn't indicate that he doesn't normally turns things in. Maybe you too should pay more attention to the details. Also, Tan-Su said that it seems he is trying to be a good student, he/she didn't say that it was said in the show that he was a good student.
We get it. You think LMH is doing a great job. You have gone through the whole thread defending the show. That's alright, I don't think anyone here hates you for that. We can all have different opinions and you are probably not going to change the ones that are not finding him endearing. Only he can do that. I say let's all have fun by praising -or not- the show. You don't need to go after everyone who is not so into this as you are. Ok, I'm out for good. Or until next week :)

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When ES's sister asked what he was writing, he said homework. At that point he was writing about his brother, not his mother. So WE do not know what the homework in this class is about. He says writing is his form of rebellion not homework per say. Which leads to him not turning his assignment in (whatever that assignment might be). He was doing "homework" because he likes to write, not because he intended to turn it in. Which is why he said to the teacher. "It wasn't meant for turning in". He clearly could be a good student if he wanted to, especially in that particular class. But he clearly doesn't want to, he has big brother's orders to follow.

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I too agree he is playing the character as he is meant to be. As girlfriday pointed out he has already had his wings clipped and been caged. Therefore he has had years of keeping his emotions locked down with very little expression. I think he is doing a good job of portraying that. I think as he has more exposure to someone outside his wealth sphere he will begin to awaken and emote more.

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I think those of you that are saying LMH is not convincing character must have smoked the same stuff that the blonde surfer did! I actually think that he is portraying the character with so much emotion and intensity that I can truly feel it! and I also like Lee Jon Suk but I do not think he can portray KT and deliver it as LMH I think that LMH is doing it very natural with him acting doesn't look like acting it looks like natural!!!!

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@Pororo, LMAO, so you want to accuse me of going after everyone who doesn't think LMH is doing a good job. Other than this post replying to @TAN-SU, who have I replied to that doesn't like LMH's acting? I'll wait... If that's the case, I am no different than you who seems to want to do the opposite, which is to express to everyone who would listen that he is not acting well. I don't care if anyone here hates me for my opinion. This is the internet not the real world.

I don't know what subs you are watching, but the subs I watched, and girlfriday's translations are almost identical. "The professor’s pretty zen about the whole thing, wondering if maybe he wouldn’t find more purpose if he started to turn things in". The teacher did not say turn it in some time. The teacher asked if he wouldn't find more purpose if started to turn thing in. That obviously means he doesn't. So who needs to pay attention?

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@LoveIt
Hmm let's see. There's Tan-Su, you also replied to Cheryl who isn't feeling the chemistry explaining how Tan is being awesome, you replied to Dody who doesn't like the english with a "there was barely any English here. Like, LOL." and you are calling those who do not like LMH transparent elsewhere. Just off the top of my head. I have only replied to those who have mentioned that they are not impressed with LMH because I agree with them. I have not tried to argue with anyone who is liking him, not once. Well yes, with you. But I haven't told you you are wrong for thinking he is doing a good job. So no, I don't think I am doing the same thing as you. I am perfectly happy with people liking or disliking anything they want. Diversity keeps things interesting.

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LoveIt, you said "The teacher did not say turn it in some time. The teacher asked if he wouldn’t find more purpose if started to turn thing in. That obviously means he doesn’t. So who needs to pay attention?"

BUT, the professor does say find more purpose if you turn it in sometime. It's around the 25-26 minute mark. He does not say if he started to turn things in. You can verify for yourself since he says it in English. No subtitles needed here.

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@Pororo, wait so you are watching my every post, and you had so much time on your hand, to go back to see everyone I agreed with? I am not even going back to see who I replied to. The most important question is, did I reply to your post? Well let me answer that for you, no I didn't. You replied to me. The only reason I replied to TAN-SU, was because there was a discrepancy in something she said. She claimed he was a good student, and that the assignment was about his mom. I disagreed with that.

Me replying that there was barely any English, has what to do with LMH? It is a FACT that there was barely any English in this episode. So what if I said that? What is that to you? Yes I said it was transparent, to someone in agreement with something they said. Like I said, I was not arguing with anyone who doesn't like LMH's portrayal. Yet here you are claiming that I am arguing with people who doesn't like his portrayal, but here you are arguing with me in this continued back and forth, when I didn't even say a peep to you. If diversity keeps things interesting then you could have skipped past my font, but you chose to have a war of words with me.

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@TAN-SU, To be exact it the teacher said "Don't you think you might find a new purpose if you turn it in? some time?" I was just going by girlfriday's post. Any way I did go back and listen to it, since we are having this exchange of words and he indeed said some time? That some time, could him turning things in some of the times, or this particular assignment, some time later. I don't know of any teacher who would allow a student to turn a particular assignment in at a later date. However there were some stills that showed Tan in what seems to be the teacher's office talking. So, he could have decided to turn this particular assignment in, or the teacher could be talking to him about something else. We don't know, we will have to wait and see.

I know the assignment wasn't just about his mom though, because in the diner he was writing about his brother. So maybe the assignment was about his family. Anyway, no really good student is going to decide to not turn in assignments, and they are not going to skip class just because. He also said that he likes to write, not that he was a good student.

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@LoveIt
I do have a lot of time in my hands since I am on bed rest for the next 3 months. My husband works so I am home all day hanging out in forums, there's not much you can do while on bed rest. You asked me where else had you argued with someone who doesn't like LMH and since I've got loads of time I looked and gave you an answer. The "find" function comes in handy for this. Take it or leave it. I replied to you because you went off on Tan-Su with capital letters and all and telling him/her to pay attention to detail when I thought you were the one not paying attention. Tan-Su made a subjective comment on what he/she thought was going on, even saying that he/she was probably mistaken and you tried to school him/her. Furthermore, this was all in a subthread started by someone who I agreed with. Had this been a LMH/Heirs praising thread then I would have skipped it like I usually do.
As for the English, even if there was any English in this episode the person who did not like it had a right to express it. And most of the English lines were delivered by LMH so it has everything to do with him. Maybe the poster didn't like the few lines that were said. You had to LOL at that. Why? Because it criticizes the show?
Anyways, I really don't want to offend you or make you mad but it does seem that you are intent on changing people's mind on the character and the show. I really am happy that you are enjoying this show, nothing makes me giddier than finding a crack drama. We can agree to disagree and continue enjoying the show even if for completely different reasons. I am calling a cease-fire on my war of words with you. I hope you choose to respect other's right to not like what you do from now on. There's still plenty of time for us to end up loving the show but it should come organically. Have a good weekend!

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totally said all I need to say....

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I do think we'd better not judge LMH's acting too harshly yet, because his character really doesn't give him a chance for much--yet. What his character DOES have is a LOT of room for development--and a lot of opportunities story-wise, as well. Exiled as he is, with no family to love him, no purpose for living, no interest in his girlfriend, told to "play" (playing can be one of the most depressing things on earth) there isn't much in him....yet. Except an obvious human compassion.

I'm VERY hopeful that his character will be extremely interesting, even if it doesn't start out as strong as many of his other roles.

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This I agree with. Let's hope
he does :)

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I think that production made him that way ( his face ) Because he need to look lke a 18 year old..So, they made him look less manly and more boyish kind..I see it that way...

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I totally agree with your comments.

For those that don't agree, let's try to reserve judgment on LMH's acting abilities for when they're back in Korea. The scenes in California aren't the best -- the overacting, the stereotypical goons, the bad English, etc. I think once we get back to scenes based in Korea, where everything is familiar again -- to the leads, the writer, the director -- LMH AND PSH will both have an opportunity to really shine.

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I agree with you. and with seersucker that he's playing the role of apathetic youth just right. After all, that is what Kim Tan is, apathetic. Although i must say that yes, his face has changed. He seems to have grown thinner or something. I dunno exactly, haven't figured it out yet.

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Me too. I kinda like Woo Bin's Young-Do better. Not really sure why. To put it simply to me Tan is like a simple meal, tastes okay but that's about it. Whereas Young-Do is like a dish with mind blowing taste, an acquired taste, you might not quite like or you love it but it's definitely something for your tastebuds even if it doesn't fill your stomach.
Then again if Tan loses a bit of his slacker attitude and be more proactive he could be very well be the best 'meal' ever, the ingredients are there, I do like that he's not snobby or mean towards Eun-Chang.
On that note it could also be argued that Young-Do has a potential to grow to be better too, he does not scream evil to me. He's kinda mean (I say kinda because bullying aside he's pretty nice with his two friends - not the two minions in ep1) but not totally evil.

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I like won bin's performance very much.
His character, not so much. Douche to the extreme.

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Woobie is doing a good job here. I'm not exactly excited for more episodes, though. Maybe when they move back to Korea.

I know it'll be the thing to hate on Rachel, but, she can't see her dad for some reason, her mum threatens her re inheritance rather than actually parenting, her step brother is so far after her (though they'll join forces later probably( and her fiancé, at an age when she might still think romantically about this business deal, couldn't care less.

I don't blame her for being upset, and I DO BLAME Tan for not properly greeting her and seeing her or even at bare minimum, texting back to say he's got a houseguest, this is the situation. It's all not that hard to do or say. And yet without these courtesies, he created all this angst.

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I agree. I do feel sorry for Rachel, however much of a jerk she may be. Really, what is going well for her in the world?Even Eun Sang has Oma...!

I hope the drama sympathizes with her (Rachel) just a little bit, and doesn't turn her into the Evil Factor. No one really is. There's Good and Evil battling in everyone...no one personifies either one, and everyone is worth loving for whatever small amount of good might yet be found in them. I wonder if this writer knows that...

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Young Do is the typical Rich arrogant guy who likes to bully others and exert his power! there is no depth in such a character yes he is doing great with the evil acting kudos for noticing that! but Do Not call LMH as a simple meal I think you need to check you glasses.. being nice to his rich friends does not make him nicer he is being taught to be good with other rich people so that doesn't count... I would rather have a real, intense, full of character appeal KT a billion times than same old evil rich guy YD.

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Yep. Young Do is pretty much 2D so far--plenty of potential to come out into 3D, but it's not out yet.

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LMH is trying to get into the Tan character, who is less than an enthusiastic soul. He is a cocoon-like character who is still kind of asleep, dwelling on who he is and how he wants to live.

I disagree that he doesn't know how to deliver comic lines. I laughed plenty of times when he said some funny lines in Ep 2. LJS is a good, growing actor. So is LMH.

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Wonderfully said.

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Second that.

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i agree with you there. i am extremely happy with his acting.

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"Lee Min Ho does not look like he is enjoying himself."

That make sense because he said that he was too lazy to do something. an attitude like that who will enjoy what he is doing. If you are noticing that it means he acted well.

LMH and WB have different characteristics so they must show different acting, I think LMH will also act like WB if he had the same character as him, but they are opposite. In fact he had done that already and did his best (BOF) I think better that WB right now.

Just my thought!

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Also, it looks like WB in Heirs got LMH's evil-spoiled-bully BOF character. Interesting to see what he does with it.

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oh honey, it looks like the LMH fangirls came after you...

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thank for your recap.
and after 2 episodes aired..,
the only good things come from Heirs was Kim Woo Bin stole the show.
his gaze.,expresssion.,body gesture.,and lines...
i just wish he's comeback next year as the main lead.
he's more then better.

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agree with everything. kim woo bin is doing great. his expressions gives that extra chill after delivering his lines, making normal conversations seem like oration from satan himself. muahaha!

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What do you think about Kim Ji Won?
bcoz i think as a 2nd lead she already make a job.
but well, KWB acting make 2nd lead syndrome overflowing again..hahaha.

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personally, I don't know much about the actress kim ji won, but her character his your regular drama bitch. I mean that throwing your suitcase and clothes thing, being mean to a girl who is a potential threat to her with her fiance. nothing new there.

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I was disappointed in that, too. I hope the writer is not going to treat her like that all the way.

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Does anyone else wonder what's up with Tan/Young-Do friendship(or is it non-friendship) ? I wonder if there's a story there something that broke up a close friendship?
And can anybody tell me what's up with the bean powder? What do koreans do with it? I know it is meant to be eaten but how? Turn into a paste and boil like rice cake? Cook with water and sugar to make a cold dessert? Seriously I wonder why mom made it - as if it's a basic for a korean to have in the kitchen.

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my theory is that Young-do was in love with Rachel before she got engaged to Tan

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I read somewhere that Young-do broke his friendship with Tan when he found out that he was mistress's child. Makes Young-do the bastard really but I wonder if he regrets it... The fact that I am curious about Young-do's meaness makes me think there is something he regrets. I wonder if it has anything to do with Rachel.

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What I mean is, I don't think it has anything to do with Rachel.

Tan comes back to Korea motivated because of his interest in the girl. I am sure there are other things that will motivate him too and we don't really know what they are yet.

It is also possible that Young-do gets to know the girl because of the girl he is friends with, who is in love the guy who is in friends with our heroine. I am sure it amuses him to learn Tan likes the girl and for some reason Young-do wants to exploit that.

I am hoping all this is wrong and I am very pleasantly and very welcomingly suprised...

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God I hope not. I could maybe forgive his initial interest sparking from Tan's interest but not if he's out to mess with her just for shit and giggles that would just be too cruel. I do hope that if he had ulterior motives he ends up liking her for real. Eun-Chang is too pathetic atm, so I think that Young-Do who seems to have more fight in him would be better for her than Tan who backs down too easily.
Then again I hope Young-Do won't suffer from 2nd lead ailments that range from wrong timing to heroine just 100% in love with the lead guy and have no feelings for him whatsoever unless he's in it for shit and giggles.

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Oh Wow. Thank you for that link. I did not know.

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thanks for enlightening..

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Yeah, thanks for the link. I love this bit, comparing Kang Min Hyuk and Jung Yong Hwa: "At least his face moves and he is capable of more than one expression that looks constipated." Ha. I like Min Hyuk's character. Would have been nice if he were the third in the triangle.

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The bean power is actually mi-soo-ga-ru, or mi-soo powder, which is not simple bean powder. It's more like a mixture of many different kinds of grain powder which is mixed with water or milk and eaten, kind of like Korean cereal. They should not have translated it as bean powder.

This was probably the evil sister's favorite food so mom made it and had Eun Sang take it to the sister, along with the money.

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Thank you for that info. How did you know? You could tell, just by looking at it (looking at the powder)?

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No, the characters call it mi-soo-ga-ru in the drama. They would have said kong-ga-ru if it was bean powder.

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Oh I see, PPasun. Thank you! I personally like info of this kind being shared with us, since I am not Korean, and I do not speak the language, nor do I understand it (that is besides the few words and expressions I have learned so far,watching Kdramas).
Please keep those tit bits of info coming, if you don't mind. Interesting that the recaps referred to it as bean powder as well, and didn't say otherwise.

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gotta agree with you! it’s my first time watching Woo-bin in a drama and I think he really does a good job, great acting. I really love how he portrays his character. he makes it interesting and I think he's the right cast for Young-do

but then I’m kind of wondering, if you guys have to rate Heirs based on these past two episodes using a scale which has the word "BAD" on one end, and "GOOD" on the other end, what's the tendency would be like? More to the "GOOD" end of scale or more to the "BAD" one?

(i think today's episode is better than yesterday's. but gosh, I'm so sad to say this: so far mine would be more to the "BAD" one, but i'm still expecting... Dear Heirs, once you're back to Seoul, please be good with the writings and transitions. many scenes felt so forced or random: chasing scenes, ducking into a movie theater just like that, digging the trashcan, etc). Anyway, thanks DB for the recaps!

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Yes, since when is Hollywood a run away from Malibu, and since when can you just run into the middle of a movie without buying tickets or having to evade security?
Pff...

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Thanks GF.....

I'm really liking Heirs.....except a few scenes with annoying extra actors....

I love our main couple....Lee Min Ho and Park Shin Hye....also, the breezy vibe of the show...

And I'm glad our hero is not a jerk like the writer's previous shows.....and also very different as a character for Lee Min Ho in Boys Before Flowers....

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