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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 4

Feelings start to get murky as our heroine becomes more and more a part of our princes’ everyday lives, and though she may not always have the best solutions, at least she’s always willing to try. And while this hour has its dark moments, it seems like the show is willing to reveal its softer underbelly, which goes a long way toward helping to endear it to us. Angsty princes covered in blood are all well and good, but angsty, vulnerable princes with a soft spot for a certain someone are even better. The more princes, the merrier.

 
EPISODE 4 RECAP

So stalks into his mother’s room, his sword still dripping wet with the blood of the renounced monks he just killed en masse. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong wakes with a start to see her unloved son looking so dangerous, even as he steps forward with a smile.

But he’s not there to menace her—just the opposite, actually. “Do you know what I’ve done for you, Mother?” he asks, still smiling. He’s made it so that no one can come after her, and erased all traces of her wrongdoing. He’s like a little boy coming to his mother for approval, only this little boy killed a bunch of people and burned a temple down.

The queen slowly realizes what he’s done, but shatters So’s expectations when she asks him if he thought she’d commend him for what he did. “You’re like a beast,” she adds, and the smile instantly dies on So’s face.

“I did it for you, Mother,” he begins again, unsure, but she takes offense to his almost pleading use of the word “Mother.” She tells him that hearing that word come from his lips makes her skin crawl, and orders him to leave.

A broken-hearted So can’t help but wonder why his mother cares so little for him, only to be coldly interrupted by the queen, who says he’s not her son, but rather the son of the Shinju Kang clan. I doubt she means literally, but there’s certainly no better way of renouncing blood ties than that.

With tears in his eyes, So asks her if she turned her back on him because of his face. That’s why she sent him to be adopted, he knows, and in his rage, he breaks one of her vases as he collapses to the ground. As tears roll down his cheeks, he tells her of the horrid life he led with the Shinju Kang clan, and how he killed all the monks and burned the temple. The mother who adopted him was cruel and likely insane, and he was frequently left in a locked room for days in a row without food or water.

“What of it?” his mother interrupts, as coldhearted as ever. So’s face twitches and contorts in pain as she identifies with his adoptive mother for treating him the way she did—a mother only loves a son who makes her proud, after all, and So was nothing but a disgraceful burden to her. That’s why she sent him away.

After getting to his feet, So smiles a rueful smile. “You will remember this day. You may have abandoned me, Mother… but I shall not leave. I ask that you will only see me.” His mother denies his words, afraid that they may come true, but he staggers out, heedless.

He happens upon the heaps of prayer stones stacked by mothers for their children, and in his rage, he knocks one over. Su rushes forward to stop him, but he roughly shoves her off. He laughs maniacally when she notices the blood left on her hands from their brief tussle, and further shocks her by adding, “Yes, it’s the blood of those I killed today!”

So denounces the prayer stones, crying out that his mother shouldn’t come here to pray, but should go to him to beg instead. Su holds him back, and gets his attention only when she says he’s injured. She means his hand, but he grabs her by the collar and warns her, “I told you, I killed people!”

He seems taken aback when she doesn’t respond with fear, but understanding. She asks him to tell her about what he did and why in a calm voice, which causes him to loosen his grasp. Confronted, he shakes as he tells her to go, but she claims to understand him.

She knows that the times he lives in required him to wield a sword at a young age, and knows just as well that he had to kill in order to live. “But what can you do?” she asks. Reiterating that she understands him, she adds, “You must be feeling so miserable right now. I think I can relate.” She leaves him to grieve by the prayer stones.

The elder princes give King Taejo their account of the assassination attempt from the night before, and their attempts to find the culprits. No one knows yet that it was So who burned down the temple, but they do know that the temple full of monk-assassins belonged to Queen Sinmyeongsunseong.

Taejo asks the queen directly if she’s responsible for the assassins, which she denies. Third prince Yo jumps in to take responsibility for his mother, but it soon turns into a blame/defense game, even as So steps up to admit to killing the monks and burning the temple. But before the blame can shift to him, eighth prince Wook steps up (or kneels) to defend So’s actions—he wanted to erase any evidence that could be used to frame the “innocent” queen.

So claims Wook’s statement to be true, and needless to say, the queen looks decidedly unhappy with So’s attempt to protect her.

When Lady Hae finds the servants arguing over who gets the unwanted task of delivering So his meal, the responsibility falls to an unwilling Su, who has to climb her way up a mountain to reach him. He stiffens a bit to see her, likely uncomfortable after his show of emotion yesterday, and tells her to just leave the food.

She tries to comply, but can’t help herself from sitting back down—she has to take the empty plates back anyway. He warns her against saying anything about what she saw yesterday, and she’s quick to remind him that she has better things to do than go around talking about him.

Noticing that he’s eating within perfect vantage point of the palace, Su comments on the palace being his future home. So doesn’t appreciate the warm sentiment, because in order for it to be home, he’d have to have a family. But his mention of that sparks Su’s interest, as she turns around to ask him why he went on such a rampage yesterday.

He’s shocked by her boldness as well as her closeness, and suddenly blusters a question of his own: How did she get into the royal bath that day, anyway? Su’s quick to avoid that question, which means that So gets a free pass on answering hers.

So seems to have warmed up to Su as they walk back from the mountain, and finds her lack of grace amusing. He reaches out to take her burden from her, but she’s oblivious, and he retracts his hand before she can realize he even offered it. He can’t help but laugh just a little (but not like a crazy person this time).

Wook and Su stand vigil by the ill Lady Hae’s bedside that night. She sends Su away to speak to her husband alone, but Su overhears Lady Hae tell her husband to take a second wife. Lady Hae knows that she’s too ill to perform her duties as a wife, and entreats her husband to marry another girl or divorce her—only then can she die peacefully.

Even though Wook refuses, Lady Hae repeats her request. Then she hesitates as she adds, “I know that you don’t… love me.” Tears form in her eyes as well as his, but it seems a truth they both know all too well.

Errant tenth prince Eun comes upon Su brooding, and brings her a host of toys to play with, claiming he just bought everything since he didn’t know what she would like. Aww. She calls him out for playing with such things at his age, and his forlorn reaction is adorable.

Despite her less than friendly reception, Eun still wants to do whatever he can to help lift her spirits—he’s a prince, after all. “Are you married?” she asks, clearly wanting some insight into the life of a married prince like Wook. But he takes it as her asking about his availability and gets hopelessly excited as he replies, “Not yet.” Hah.

He thinks he’s being interviewed for his suitability as a husband, so when Su asks if he’d take another wife should his become ill, he puffs his chest out as he replies that he’d never do such a thing. Su sighs that it would be nice if everyone was just like him, leaving Eun to gleefully mull over how fast she’s moving.

Su gives Chae-ryung instructions to hide the hairpin So left behind in a place where he’s not likely to find it right away (so he’ll think he just misplaced it on his own), but things look bad for the slave girl when Princess Yeonhwa walks in to find her rummaging around the prince’s things with a seemingly stolen hairpin in her hand.

Chae-ryung gets whipped for stealing, but Su comes to her defense, claiming that she told Chae-ryung to put it in the prince’s quarters. Princess Yeonhwa isn’t inclined to take her word for it, and Wook comes by just as Su tells the princess to whip her instead.

The princess is all too happy to comply, and the princes watch as Yeonhwa ties Su up and strikes her twice. But before any of the princes can interfere, it’s actually So who comes to the rescue. Su turns around to meet his gaze, and he replies to Yeonhwa’s questions about who Su is to him by telling his half-sister, “She belongs to me.”

Su looks at him unblinkingly, and he reiterates his statement, sending a small smile her way. Princess Yeonhwa is defeated when Eun comes to Su’s defense, as well as Wook. But the look she sends Su’s way as she and Chae-ryung go looks positively murderous. (Did Chae-ryung and Prince Won share a moment with that glance?)

Of course, Yo is the only prince to commend Princess Yeonhwa for doing the right thing, since twisted minds think alike. So doesn’t leave without making Yeonhwa give the hairpin back, though she quips that it’s unlike him to stop her from doing anything. “You don’t have feelings for her, do you?” she asks, and So’s restrained answer doesn’t seem to help ease her mind.

Wook stops So before he can leave to set him straight on one thing: Nothing in this place belongs to him. Not his sister Yeonhwa, or his wife’s cousin, Su. He warns his half-brother against behaving carelessly again when it comes to his people.

Su cries in bed that night, and Wook stays respectfully outside her door as he announces that he’s brought her medicine. He hopes that she’ll be able to forget what happened today too, which causes her to jump out of bed to see him face-to-face. He hands her the box of medicine personally, and she apologizes for pretending to be asleep—she was just embarrassed to see him.

Wook smiles knowingly as he tells her he already knew. It’s not the pain that bothers her, she says, but the disrespect. She asks if Goryeo really is the kind of place where someone can be tied up and beaten like an animal, and Wook can only reach out a hand to comfort her. “I’m sorry I could not stop it. But, I promise you this: No one will ever be able to treat you in such a way again. Trust me.”

It’s enough to make Su waver, and she forces herself to think of Lady Hae in order to break the moment.

Sometime later, Su seems to just be minding her own business as she paces, but when she turns around, she bumps right into So. She confronts him over the whole “She belongs to me” business, which only causes an amused So to ask her if she doesn’t know how to just say “Thank you.”

Su’s ready to argue still, going on about how he always wanted to kill her but now is all about saving her, until she finally murmurs a simple “Thank you.” When asked about where she found the hairpin, she admits she found it in the bath, but didn’t say anything because he was so adamant about her saying nothing about seeing the scarred side of his face. Well, she did keep her promise.

“Are you not scared of me?” So asks wonderingly, noting how she’s so quick to talk back to him. She says she’s still wary around him, but isn’t scared of him anymore. Still, she won’t have him going around saying she belongs to him either—she’s not a thing to be owned.

Finding this amusing, So leans in until she’s having to lean backward to keep some distance between them. “Then… should I call you ‘my person?'” he asks, which gets a stutteringly uncomfortable response from Su, which serves to keep him entertained.

Fourteenth prince Jung is back to fighting in the market while disguised as a commoner, but he’s dragged away by some shady men when his true identity is discovered. Upon seeing him, Su sends Chae-ryung to get help while she pursues them, catching So’s eye in the process.

The men drag the prince to a bamboo forest, where their leader shows Jung the stump of a right arm he has, which he claims was his fault. He won in a fight against Jung, which prompted the queen to punish him by having his arm chopped off, something Jung had no knowledge of.

The leader plans on returning the favor by ridding Jung of his arm, but just before he strikes, Su comes running and screaming, brandishing nothing but a branch. Oh, Su. Not the brightest hanbok in the wardrobe, is she.

At least the diversion is enough for Jung to free himself, and her very unladylike threats do take the men by surprise.

Meanwhile, Princess Yeonhwa excitedly announces that Lady Hae has requested a divorce from Wook in front of their mother, Queen Sinjeong. Wook isn’t pleased with her outburst, despite Yeonhwa seeing this as an opportunity for her brother to marry advantageously. At least the queen recognizes the good that Lady Hae brought to their family, and seems disinclined to throw her daughter-in-law away so easily.

They’re interrupted when Chae-ryung brings news of Su, causing Wook to instantly jump to his feet.

With his back to Su’s in the forest, Jung apologizes for getting her involved. Her advice is for them to make a run for it, which doesn’t jive with Jung’s pride, and gets them embroiled in an actual fight. Jung curls himself around Su in order to protect her from the blows as he promises to protect her, causing Su to hilariously wonder, “Who’s saving who?”

But then it’s Wook to the rescue, and he’s surprisingly adept at throwing grown men far out of his way. It’s enough to cause the others to fall back as he checks in on a relieved Jung and Su, moments before the men resume their attack.

Wook is vastly outnumbered, but even so, he’s much faster and stronger than his opponents. It’s only when more men materialize out of the bamboo that he begins to look worried, but they all disperse when they see the infamous So, the dog-wolf, ride up.

Even though So asks Jung if he’s hurt, Jung would rather not acknowledge So’s contribution to saving his arm, instead thanking Wook. (Wook, for his part, did try to get him to thank So.) Jung thanks Su as well, promising to treat her life as though it were his own from now on… only for Su to pat him on the back and talk to him like a doting older sister.

Jung is surprisingly fine with that, and even goes so far as to call Su “Hae Su Nooeui,” an archaic form of “noona.” Su gets so caught up in the moment that she gives Jung a good ol’ “Fighting!”, and it’s adorable to see him try to wrap his mind around such a strange word.

Wook won’t slow down for Su on their way home, causing her to wonder if he’s angry. She gets him to stop by feigning pain in her leg, but he grabs her by her shoulders and forces her to face him. Finally, he says, “I thought I had lost you. I thought… I wouldn’t be able to see you again. I was scared.” Awwwww! Stahp it, you guys.

He starts leaning in as though to kiss her… but the moment is broken by the search party out to find them, which includes Lady Hae. Wook just walks away from all of them. At least all the showers in Goryeo were cold, right?

So takes Jung to task for not taking responsibility for his actions, which caused a man to lose his arm. Jung doesn’t take kindly to being lectured by his older brother, and pushes all the most hurtful buttons So has, even ending his tirade by repeating what third prince Yo said about being embarrassed to have come from the same womb as So. (Yo, So, and Jung are all direct brothers.)

Jung gets a slap across the face for that remark, which is right when Queen Sinmyeongsunseong comes in. She shoves So away to tend to the son she actually loves, and Jung suddenly changes his stripes to defend his brother, claiming that he saved his life earlier. Mommy Dearest couldn’t care less.

She orders So out only after she makes him swear not to go near Jung again, and as he brushes past his younger brother, he makes a remark about him living behind their mother’s skirts. Burn. The familial strife is enough to bring angry tears to Jung’s eyes, even as the queen fawns over him worriedly.

Wook gallops his horse through the forest, coming to rest at a secluded spot. There, he struggles with his feelings, while Su does the same from her bed. So does some sorting out of his own while rearranging the prayer stones he’d thrown around during his tirade, though of course, his thoughts are of his mother.

Crown Prince Mu takes So to the king, and makes an entreaty for So to live in the palace as one of his people. Astronomer Choi helps out by saying he saw the fourth prince’s star rising over the palace, but it’s of no use when the king calls So out on account of his mother, who tried to kill the crown prince. And his brother, Yo, who wants to be the crown prince. Sharp king.

So claims to share none of his family’s aspirations, but when he’s asked about the household he was adopted into, he grits out that he was never treated as a son—he was a hostage, and his father knew this well. He pledges his fealty to his father and the crown prince, saying he’ll live as a loyal subject from here on out.

After hearing Astronomer Choi’s pro-So advice, King Taejo relents, and announces that from this day forward, So will live in the palace.

It’s a much more somber affair in Wook’s home during his dinner with his wife, and he’s not doing the best job hiding his inner turmoil from her. Lady Hae invites Su to sit down with them to eat, and despite the awkwardness, Su has no choice but to acquiesce.

Wook is short with his words at the table while Lady Hae just expresses her concern for her cousin. She wants Su to take up more womanly and safe ways to spend her time, like needlework. I feel like that’s as close to putting a helmet on Su as she can get.

When Su eventually leaves, she finds So messing with the prayer stones outside and stops him, thinking that he’s out to destroy them again. She’s surprised to hear that he’s rebuilding what he tore down, but even more surprised when he tells her that he’ll be moving into the palace. She’ll be seeing a lot less of him now.

Su gives him some parting words of advice on how to comport himself around others like she’s some sort of expert on the matter, but it’s all well-meaning. She hopes that he’ll eat and sleep well, and her concern softens his expression considerably.

She asks him why he’s looking at her like that, and he replies that it’s because he remembered how she’s not afraid of him. “I’m afraid of myself, not you,” she sighs. At least she’s quick to distract herself when she looks up at the stars, noting how she can see so many in Goryeo.

Of course, So doesn’t know what she means by that, but they’re both soon distracted by the falling snow. Su smiles innocently up at the sky, and So just stares at her. When she catches him, they’re both quick to look away, which, hah.

Wook also watches the falling snow, but So’s got a better vantage point, as he resumes his thoughtful staring at Su.

 
COMMENTS

It’s not a perfect situation to have one corner of the love triangle married, but setting aside that fact (somewhat jokingly, because we all know that this is entertainment and not a reflection of our own social mores, even if what we find entertaining can be a reflection in and of itself, [insert existential disclaimer here], so on and so forth), it’s kinda fun, isn’t it? What’s important in a case like this is for the characters involved not to ignore the fact that there are some majorly forbidden feelings going on, and on that front, it feels like Wook is doing more of the heavy lifting than Su. Though I guess we could just as easily say that she’s not the one blurting out what she really feels to him, so maybe she is doing a better job of this than he is.

Despite Su mentioning the differences she sees in Goryeo versus in her time throughout the episode, it so far hasn’t really felt as though she’s absorbed any of those differences, nor has she seemed to really take in what’s happened to her. It’s a misstep that I think happened early on with her initial reactions to her new world, and while she can comment on how the stars are different in Goryeo and how the treatment’s worse, something about it all just isn’t hitting home for me. I wish I could put my finger on exactly what it is—whether it’s writing, acting, or both—but I’m not sure I’ve actually bought into her character yet. Maybe it’s that she acclimated so quickly, and so we’ve been robbed of most of the fish-out-of-water moments we’d expect from seeing a modern girl thrust into a decidedly un-modern world.

But all that’s about to become as dead a horse to beat as the one So cut down in the first episode, so I’ll just try to remain cautiously optimistic for the time being. The thing is, I want to like Su because I like the characters who like her, and that’s almost enough. And while the main love triangle certainly wins all the brownie points, I’m really enjoying her interactions with the other princes we’ve gotten to spend some individual time with so far. I especially like that while three of those princes think of her romantically, she unknowingly friend-zoned Jung, and the thought of those two sharing future noona/dongsaeng moments is enough to put a smile on anyone’s face.

Eun’s crush on Su is as adorable as it is harmless, and the scene where he brought her a box of toys had me sold. Su’s worldly enough to realize he has a crush on her, but doesn’t seem to think of him coming from that perspective as much when she’s lost in thought. It’s funny to see how the two of them are on completely different pages when they interact, but it’s really endearing that Eun makes a good sounding board for her, however vacant he may sometimes be.

Of course, the unexpected turnaround came from So this hour, who warmed up to Su a lot sooner than I would’ve expected. The scene where she comforted him during his tirade made sense as to why he’d soften toward her, even though it seemed a rather uncharacteristic way for her to act under that sort of pressure. Still, if she can be a source of comfort for So’s tortured soul, I’m all for it. After this episode, he needs whatever comfort he can get.

Even with the intensely well-acted insights we got into So and Queen Sinmyeongsunseong’s relationship, it’s hard to understand exactly why she has so much hatred toward him. He’s not a son born of a concubine that she’s had to just put up with, but her own flesh and blood child born of the king, so what makes him less than her two other sons? I’d like to think that she’s just manifesting her guilt toward scarring his face into hatred, but that may be giving her more credit than she deserves. At least there was a turning point in their relationship this episode, enough to where So will (hopefully) stop seeking her approval. Or maybe nothing says “I love you, Mom” like a pile of burned corpses.

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Hi everyone, let's keep the discussion as spoiler-free as we can.

Though this drama is adapted from a novel (which also had a C-drama adaptation), please consider the other beanies who have not seen the other versions and are watching Moon Lovers for the first time.

Comparison is unavoidable, but please keep the details (like who marries whom, or who sides with whom, etc) to a minimum.

Thanks!

Updated for clarity: historical spoilers are okay, but please keep the spoilers about fictional twists from the C-drama and novel to a minimum.

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But isn't information like who sides with whom part of history? A knowledge that's been available for hundreds and hundreds of years? It's like all sageuk we've watched so far. Most sageuk are watched with the background knowledge of what happens (like who becomes kings, which clan dominates, etc.), and with the assumption that the audience is either aware of that background or can make it available, and that background knowledge can be combined to enhance the viewing experience. A bit like watching a WWII film, knowing who will win, etc.

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I agree with this. >.< There's a difference between spoiling an episode that's only been available for a few weeks, and for which the story was just written for the purpose of the drama by a writer, and "spoiling" history.

It's not like Wang So is a nondescript character. There already has been several adaptations and depictions of him. Not to mention that we learn about him and his era in textbooks. What's interesting about sageuk, is to find out how different they portray it from known history. In other words, the clever twists, and narrative choices the sageuk makes in telling a known story to make it more compelling. When we watch the story of Sukjong/Inhyeon/Hui, or Sejong for countless of different dramas, the true spoilers are what happens that will be added/twisted from history, not what we know already happens, ie who marries whom, who dies, who is the "villain," etc.

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Yes, this is what special about sageuk. I think the joy of watching sageuk is for me to appreciate the history more.
I cannot help but to feel a little amuse at some comments ( especially on the other sites) who are like fangirls and shippers, in which I feel a little too much.

I hope the viewers especially the ones who are new to sageuk (I bet some of viewers started watching because their bias is here) could be ready to see how this story become deeper, heavier and darker later.

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Opps, there is nothing wrong to be a fangirl since I am also a fangirl to Kang Ha Neul myself. ;)

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yup. well said. the joy of watching sageuk making u appreciate history.

like Titanic. suddenly because of the movies and series, it's become a much more compelling and personal story. i wouldn't consider the fact that the Titanic sank a spoiler either since knowing that most people will die on that boat makes it more angsty rather than less.

ps: ka ha neul is fineee. good taste.

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i can relate with both of u. i always envied korean audience when watching sageuk dramas for that background knowledge vanessa spoke of. like i had to wikipedia stuff to catch up on korean audience when watching 6FD, and Dong Yi, and others. The dramas are probably made and catered for them with the understanding that they've read about history at school or smth. it's like me watching smallville knowing lex luthor would be clark's enemy, and that clark will not end up with lana or chloe but with lois lane... wondering how it would all work out. Also xmen first class knowing magneto would become the enemy. in cases like this where the history has been established for years, knowledge of it actually enhances the experience. kkkk

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I think historical spoilers are okay. The recaps also state historical figures' futures sometimes. But we're just asking that spoilers about the novel and drama should be kept to a minimum.

I've seen very detailed comments saying, "that character will pretend to be on X side then go to Y side" or "in the original this person betrays that person". And there are also comments describing Ruo Xi's whole character path/allegiances switches which aren't part of history but just twists from the novel itself. :(

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I have a question that makes me confused, even if this drama is an adaptation of the C-drama version, why I keep myself comparing Moon Lovers with Shine or Go Crazy and not the C-drama version?
Putting the time-traveling aside, I think Shine or Go Crazy is more similar to Moon Lovers than the C-drama is, at least for me (it might be because of the historical setting, but I mean, even so, the Wang So character is so similar in both and his relationship with his mother, father, etc is also so similar and sad, + the second male lead in both is the same character, etc...)
I wonder if this drama will be the same as Shine and Go Crazy and explains why Wang So is treated like that (it is already similar with Shine or Go Crazy that he brings misfortune to others, but in Shine there was a prophecy about him).

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Even it is adapted from C-drama, but since this is a K-drama, they don't follow exactly like the original. They adapted based on history. You are right in finding similarity between this drama and SOGC because basically they are based on the same history but not exactly similar.

The key point of the adaptation mostly for the leading lady, both are from modern world and many Princes. Although this drama is not historically accurate, but., they are still based on the history and won't miss many important points.

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Well now, the stupid me never realized it's the same Wang So as SOGC! Ah...thanks! It helps me putting some perspective on what's going on. although in SOGC, the other brothers don't have that many scenes.

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Possible spoiler ----

So i read the general plot of the chinese version. Someone please tell me if they've read any articles on whether this is a faithful reproduction or there will be some creative license that will be taken in the korean version viz, that ending

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I think it's still unclear because while it's based on the c-drama it's using Korean historical figures who have their own history. It seems to be a blend, so I feel like we don't really know how it's going to go. Which is probably why there are so many comparisons to both real history and the c-drama in the comments on all the sites I've been to.

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@Lola
ok, that makes me cautiously optimistic. Thanks!

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A novel? Has it been translated into English? I don't know anything about the story so please let me be spoiler free! Had to read some history about this period and found it fascinating. Also rewatching the first three episodes and I'm getting so much more out of them. Really liking this drama now and the possibilities!

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kang ha neul makes me want to be IU so badly

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IKR?! My heart flutters whenever he stares. And he's not even looking at me. LOL.

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YES. The look on his ace when he told IU that he was worried and scared gave me butterflies. UGH.

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It's not only about KHN stares, but also his unresoveld sexual tension expression for this eps made my heart flutters too!

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I agree. The sexual tension here is so strong. It kept on replaying in my mind. ☺️

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And also his voice, is so soothing.

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There's something so incredibly un-PG about the way he looks at her.

I feel like we've been calling it ever since their Cosmopolitan photoshoot.

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@pogo, your "un-PG" description is just what I wanted to say. Thanks for putting it into words! Where is this Cosmopolitan photo shoot? Hmmmm... *Googles it* whoa....

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I also melted under that hot stare ?? ... boy, Kang Ha Neul is giving me the butterflies with his performance. Never thought that poised and kind could be this sexy.
And his chemistry with IU is something...I'm jealous too ?

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GIRL, I FEEL YOU. I squealed so much during his scenes with IU. That stare... I JUST UGHH *squeals*

Be still, my heart.

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The moment he looks her eyes..... I die.

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@glo Agree 1000%!! Kang Ha neul took my breath away at moment he confronts Su. So amazing his intensity/tortured sincerity. Not gonna lie, fell a little in love.

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Just saw the rating for this episode... 5.7% o_O I can't comprehend... while Moonlight has 19+%.

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Woah, that's so sad because most of the cast is delivering and the story is good. I don't get it.

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what the... that's just plain weird.

I watch this show on my laptop, but I think that the quality of the tv broadcasting is way way way worse, which is why it has such bad ratings (what the hell SBS). I wonder how such a huge disparity in quality could have occurred???

I read somewhere that the online ratings for the show are pretty decent though.

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I guess it's easy enough to find youku views - they're at about 428.5 million as I type.

I wish there was a way to find out Korean online ratings, though. d-addicts doesn't list those for all shows, and from the sound of it, this drama looks a lot better on computer screens than tv - it certainly looks gorgeous on mine.

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I don't know where this TV quality worse than online hogwash came from. I was watching on my HD TV via one Asia and the drama looks fine.

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I think javabeans or girlfriday reported it looking rather low-budget on their tv, and they're not the only ones - I've heard that complaint from other people watching it on tv too (specifically via Apple tv).

It may be that certain tvs don't match up with whatever technical stuff is going on visually so end up looking cheap - but still, this is an issue SBS really should have checked out better.

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I don't get the quality issue. I watched using Playstation 4 in Dramafever app and a 4K TV. And the quality is majestic.

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Moonlight has a very sweet, light, bubbly and comedic approach which doesn't make it a hard show to like and watch. Moon Lovers on the other hand had a rough start, bad editing, bad directing and the first episode wasn't made captivating enough to make its audience stick. While I personally prefer Moon Lovers, you have to think about the local audiences that affect the outcome of these ratings. Maybe they had high expectations for this show that was overly hyped but yet fell flat to deliver in its first 2 episodes.
It would be wise if they can smartly market the show beyond the previews they release. Its really a loss considering this show has a lot of potential in becoming a really good drama.
Not sure if there's anyway to salvage the local ratings but I'm pretty sure if they value streaming or international reception and viewership, it still makes up somehow for the low ratings week on week.

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Me too.

I love both shows and if I have to choose one of them (thanks though I don't have to) I'm gonna choose Moon Lovers.

The story about a modern woman with modern views who has to deal with ancient times views is more intriguing for me... and even more interesting to watch because IMO this show plays it right.

Moonlight has a winning formula for me... this is kind of story that I don't mind to watch over and over again especially when the acting and directing are great like in MDBC. But at the same time even if I missed it, I wouldn't feel like I lose something.

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Well I personally prefer moon lovers coz i find it's very interesting to learn about early history of goryeo dynasty even though on its fictional basis, compared to light-bubbly love in the moonlight sageuk drama. I've no bias on both dramas in the first place (now I favor moon lovers more), but I have to say that the rising ratings of love in the moonlight could have been possibly due to the popularity of Park Bo Gum. He's quite popular since reply 1988

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I like this drama just fine, but I do find the editing to be a bit jarring. It's like I'm totally aware I"m watching a drama. One scene, two people talking, next: two people staring into space talking. While the other moon, I feel like I'm watching a story unfold and I just happen to be there.

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So much agree. I think the PD zoom in-ed too much and it's disturbing. Beside that, I really treasure Moon Lovers!

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o_0 *sob*

If the shoddy look of the tv broadcast has something to do with why ratings are so low, I'm really going to want to scream.

I mean, how do you produce a multi-million-dollar drama that is to be aired on Korean terrestrial tv..... and then not notice that it looks terrible ON AN ACTUAL TV??!

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Trust me, I watched on TV and it look perfectly fine.

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Maybe the point is not the tv... but the tv specs

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Don't worry POGO. Atleast in international community they are doing good.

And also the way i watched it (DF, PS4 and 4K TV.) it's so pretty i watched it twice already.

And LJK and KHN making my heart flutters is good enough for me.

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It's okay... it's still doing so well internationally...

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im an ahjumma who watches both, but i personally like moonlight more bec the story is lighter & both leads are doing a great job. I like moon lovers too but im not YET sold to IUs performance. Hopefully their ratings go up. Btw is it just me or the close-up scenes are too much? Yeah yeah they have flawless skin, lets move on.

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Funny you said that.. but the thing is.. i believe this is the same director as its ok its love and the winter the wind blows..

Too many closeups.. and for me it had the counterimpact..

You know how perfect and flawless koreans' skin is.. well i used to think so.. and with these close up shots.. invariably i end up locating one pimple or the other on somebody 's face..

Beats me why that happens .. its so involuntary.. even though i liked all these dramas.. and was invested in their stories..

e.g i cud see all the bleached hair of GYJ in IOTL, and did you catch the blond facial hair of JG in ep 4.. its was in all the shots.. IU has a pimple on her cheek :P

I am tellign that's why low ratings for a country so obsessed with looks..

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Can't disagree with you more about the close ups because of this fact alone: no one (and I mean NO ONE) can take a close up like LJK. His ability to convey very nuanced emotions with the quiver of his lips or the flutter or his lashes is designed for extreme close ups and clever Director-nim has taken full advantage. That first scene where he bounds up, tail wagging, begging for mum's approval and the subsequent disappointment... BRAVO!

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Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth! I totally loved the C version and had even read the novel. Heartbreak that the director is doing such a poor editing job!

Poor I.U. is definitely no Song Hye Kyo (as in TWTWB) and those close ups shows her flaws rather than do her justice. Her uneven brows with one arched and the other straight as a ruler is pretty distracting!!

Btw, I am an ajumah too and currently enjoying Moonlight more though I was sooooo looking forward to ML!

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@ccklouise The ratings don't make sense.. I feel like whoever is measuring it is up to something ... This being the first large scale YGE and NBC Universal collab..

Thanks HeadsNo2 for the recap!!

This is an amazing drama. Hands down the best one on at the moment. The storyline has intrigue, love, fighting, chemistry that burns, eye candy that kills, witty writing, and such great levels of detail. The cinematography has been some of the best I have ever seen.

The main cast all are doing great work. Kang Haneul, Lee Joon Gi and IU are amazing. I became invested in these characters from the moment the background stories started to be revealed in epi 1 and 2. It is so much better than Moonlight. I like Moonlight, love Park Bo gum, but its slow and predictable. I watch because of the leads. Not for the story. I watch Moon Lovers Scarlet Heart Ryeo for the story as much as for the leads and their incredible acting.

I mean lines like, " I thought I lost you. I thought I would never be able to see you again. I was afraid!" - KHN, took my breath and made my heart flutter. "She belongs to me!"- LJK. "Do not say I belong to you ever again."- IU "Then should I say you are my person?" -LJK delivered so beautifully!!

I hope the cast knows that the international fandom is genuinely rooting for them. Desperately anticipating each episode. :)

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Totally agree! I melted when Kang Haneul/Wook stared at UI/HaeSoo, he is so into the character and it just shows his good craft of acting! I hope the ratings go up! They deserve more.

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/sigh

oh yes, he does.

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I really liked Hae Soo in this episode, I thought all the scenes she had worked, and she has excellent chemistry with all the actors, which is unusual. Even Kang Ha Na and Hae Soo really ran the emotional gamut with their scene, to the point that they stole it from the princes for me. The princes do get most (or all) of the good comments, but I feel like the ladies are doing a great job as well, and they're catalyst for a lot of actions for each other; Hae Soo and Chaeryung or Lady Hae or Ha Na.

Jisoo was SO GREAT in this episode. His expression in the scene where his mother is fussing over his injuries and he's watching So's retreating back made me remember what a powerhouse performer he is. THANK GOD he's back (And is it just me, or did he look incredibly hot in the scene??)

Also, I nearly cried when Wook cried. I think it was the first time I realized that he's as alone as So in his own way, that he had to go off and cry alone and he doesn't really have anyone to sound off against and he doesn't have that licence, so to speak, for any behavior departing from the norm.

Baekhyun was absolutely adorable in his scene. I never thought he was a bad actor, but now I'm thoroughly starting to enjoy him. How cute!

AND LEE JUNKI IS LEE JUNKI, that is all.

Everything in this episode worked for me. Literally ever scene almost. They all made me want to watch again. I'm officially hooked. Episode 4 was fantastic.

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Totally agree. This episode was much better for me. I'm definitely on board on this one.

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Agreed 100%! Everything was clicking in place this episode! Too bad the ratings were so low today.

Also, Lee JunKi's acting during the first scene with his mother was making my heart break everytime his face twitched.

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It's okay... it's very popular internationally.

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So I heard! I'm very happy that it's getting international recognition although it would be nice to have it be appreciated in Korea with ratings above (at least) 10%. Nonetheless, I can see the international impact it's had, from social media support to the massive increase in LJK's Instagram following (I'm so happy for him! Eeeek!!!)

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Yes. Even its thread in soompi forum are moving so fast. At least, that's what I heard from my soompier friend.

Probably, being a native, Koreans are more sensitive about certain things that we, international viewers, can't catch. That's why we're having a hard time to understand each other. LOL.

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i second you every words.
I am glad Jisoo that we know is back after that awkward 'mom i give you a gift' scene. his eyes when he doesnt know what to do with So (come to think of it, in his world where even you have to watch your back even to your brother, the brother that never there suddenly save you is not something to welcome to that easily).

Kang Hanuel finally embraced his character. he's kind of off in the first 2 ep. finally i can hate Wang wook hahaha.

anyway Lee junki is lee Junki. i can feel either he;s happy or sad or angry only by that one eye. he;s a GREAT actor by capital G

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Joong Ki is gold. Just don't give him any line. I'm still gonna understand what he's trying to deliver.

That's why I don't understand when some people got mad at So back then in the woods scene. They thought So was blinded by his ambition to get back to the palace, that he didn't care about Soo's life. But it's so obvious he just acted like he didn't care so the assassin would've thought there's no use in killing Soo and let her go. He's freaked out when the assassin pressed the sword harder to Soo's neck and Soo's hurt. Why he reacted that way if he didn't care.

IMO, LJK portrayed it very well that I could understand what's going on in his mind.

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"Joon Ki is gold. Just don’t give him any line. I’m still gonna understand what he’s trying to deliver."
I second this! And that's why I never understand why would his drama always had such a bad ratings (like Arang, and Scholar) he act incredibly good!

"But it’s so obvious he just acted like he didn’t care so the assassin would’ve thought there’s no use in killing Soo"
I also second this! People was too oblivious sometimes right :(

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Exactly!!!! I've said before that the attraction between Wook and Hae Soo that Wook is used to clean up people's messes, and smoothing the way as he did again and again in the episodes for his brothers and his father. He handles other peoples problems but he doesn't really have a real companion at home. His wife is sickly and dutiful and respectful and lady-like, but their connection is not very deep. Hae Soo isn't araid to ask him hard questions (don't you have nightmares) or to say that he doesn't have to handle her problems, she can handle it on their own (not really but at least she means well), and that I think is what attracts him most to her.

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Thank you, writer Jo for this.

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It parallels So's relationship to Hae Soo. For now, she serves as his "mom".

Hae Soo replaces that person/ supplements the warmth/love/attention they need.

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And it's almost kinda funny that she does it so lightly as if it were nothing when actually what she does means a lot to So and Wook. Especially for So who has abandonment issue.

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I agree! Awesome episode. I have to say I am greatly surprised by HKN's acting, he's so good!

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I liked IU too. But then again I never where all the hate for her was coming from. What i like about her is that though she might not be the best actor in the show, he face is not expressionless or wooden. Some people said that non-koreans would not understand that she is mis-pronouncing the words. Fair enough. But to me i think she puts in enough emotions in the words to get the feeling of the scene. She doesn't sound like she is reading the lines by rote. She is expressive enough to sell the character.

And LJK. Ah! what do i say. Like you said zoe, LJK is LJK. If i start talking about him, i'll sound like a giddy fan girl. I have seen a few of his recent shows but I don't think he has done something this intense. Or has he? I just can't SLS when LJK is being a wounded puppy (or is it a tiger)

[SPOILER SPOILER of C-Version]

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Scrolling down, i realised a lot of people don't want to be spoiled in case this show goes the C-version way. Even with the spoiler warning, i don't want to hamper anyone's enjoyment of the show

@moderators, can we please delete that part of my post.

I'm sorry everyone. No more talking of the C-version. Promise.

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She doing fine this ep finally. I think if this role in a better actress the outcome will be more epic like Moon Chae Won, UEE (both experienced in saeguk fusion or not), YEH or Kim So Eun.

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I can get behind the idea of Moon Chae-won or even Kim So-eun, but Yoon Eun-hye and Uee are far from ideal for sageuks - they both have diction issues arguably worse than IU's.

Though I believe a young YEH could have pulled off the emotion. Uee's speech tends to come off sounding like she's a bit pissed off or stressed all the time - not really the best thing for this part. I think IU has the right combination of girlishness and emotion for this role, really - I wouldn't replace her. That said, the overwhelming negativity directed against her from the moment of her casting despite her having given good performances in previous work, is sad.

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I'm not convinced that someone is a better fit for this role when IU fits the billing just fine. A young actress who can play a 16 year old girl (that alone eliminates some off the roster), has onscreen chemistry with Lee Junki despite the age gap (eliminates more off the roster), and delivers some of the most memorable scenes thus far as well as she has. When you watch the highlights or the scenes separately, everything is fine and very enjoyable. It's only when they're pieced together and the pieces don't fit as nicely as it should that something seems off.

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@LNL57 - yeah, like I said, I wouldn't replace IU - after seeing her take on Hae Su, I don't want anyone else's. She's let down by the directing and editing (and writing, to an extent) somewhat, but her acting itself, I'd keep.

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Who is supposed to be 16? It can't be Hae Su, who back in the modern world was a woman with a cheating boyfriend and mountains of debt.
I will admit she is doing better with her acting range, but she is still seemingly made of Teflon, where she is and the danger she may be in and the ramifications of who she is and where she is seem to just wash off that, cheerful, spunky exterior. For me, this brings her perilously close to TSTL.

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Right on pogo. I'm late to the party but I absolutely agree with you.

Yoon Eun-hye and Uee better in sageuks? Heck no.

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^^@bips99 I don't get the hate either.I love her more in these type of endearing roles rather than her role as the cold and indifferent Cindy....Also so glad this did not go to moon chae won either as she is really having a blast in the chemistry dept with both Wook and So.And I think I somehow get why they castes her for the role of Hae Su? Lol cause that scene at the end where she hugged Ji Soo's prince and just patted him in a buddy like manner...I could totally relate to that.Isn't that what we do when the younger guys do nothing for us in terms of attraction..so we kind of start seeing them more as an equal non-romantic friendly kind of way...?Which obviously didn't go well with the 2 princes..at the end lol.But anyway IU 'is' the tomboy that people are blaming her to be and this works for the role..on her benefit. I also find moon lover's concept quite fresh and sorts so I'd rather hope that people give the drama a chance...given how good it is overall.Also if TV screen 'is' the reason that it's getting all the flak then it's unfortunate.

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I never get this automatic dislike for idols that people have. Maybe bec i listen to zero Kpop. But going in completely clueless about IU, i'm finding her good enough

I agree on the faces of the other two prince. While wook was probably jealous, WS was looking at her as if she is some alien from outer space - like who the eff is this girl and what is she doing. Priceless!

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I liked IU as well, I don't know why people don't relate to her character. I like that she accepted the time travel quickly, I get really bored when other shows spend a lot of time with the protagonist doing stupid things and being always confused.
Tbh with all these magical movies and books these days, It wont take me that long to accept that magic is real.

And she doesn't come of as stupid at all to me, like that scene in the forest today, did people expect her to hide and look on as they cut of the Prince's arm? I mean she did realise they will need back and sent help.
And I love that she seems to have chemistry with all the actors. Even hwarang.

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Yeah, this was the episode where IU really picked it up. We already knew her chemistry with both So and Wook is bomb, but I honestly don't think I'd have liked Su's scenes as much as I do if she were played by anyone else. I get what Heads means about not getting her on some level/not understanding why she deals with certain situations in the way she does, but I feel like that happens only once I stop watching and remove myself from the episode - in the moment itself, she's great.

And I find myself alternately swooning for her+Wook (that almost-kiss, OOOOF, Kang Haneul just kill me NOW) and really liking the rather less conflagration-like but equally appealing connection she's unwittingly developing with So - it's different, but equally believable and swoonworthy in its own way since they let it spin out and don't try to shove it in our faces that he's attracted to her (thank god for the toning-down of the music this ep).

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And OH YEAH, Ji-soo's back! He's so good when he has more to do than provide puppy fanservice - his sageuk tone may still be off, but it was nice to get that reminder that behind the puppy facade, there's still a good actor.

I think a lot of that has to do with who he's paired with, really - kind of feels like he's the type of actor whose level of performance is somewhat dependent on his costars. It was a good decision to separate him and Baekhyun this episode because they're nothing but awkward and cute together, but put him one-on-one with Lee Jun-ki and he seems to rediscover his ability to tap into emotion so we get two princes dragging us into the bottomless well of emotion, and not just a cute puppy. I'd noted that he was actually better and less jarringly cutesy in his marketplace fight scene with Nam Joo-hyuk last ep, so I think the drama is doing the right thing by having him interact more with his other brothers.

Also am I the only one who thinks he looks really cute with IU? I loved how they were cuddling through the entire end of the fight after Wook and So saved them, and then Wook and So's stank faces when Su hugs Jung at the end and treats him like an adoring older sister would.

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@pogo @Zoe +100 to everything you wrote here. I'm playing catch-up so I missed the comment rush again, but you guys articulate everything I feel about this episode!

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This is the first time I watched Lee Junki.

I love his acting and So character. Even with one eye I can feel his emotion. The next KWB for me.

But don't understand why the rating so low.

Fighting Scarlet Heart.

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I don't know if that is LJK effect or that - I thought that episode 4 was excellent and satisfying. I re-watched it twice in full and 4 times all the parts with LJK and IU.
I appreciate very much the recap of HeadsNo2 but I find that it leaves out ALL my favourite moments form thies episode because those are those tiny little smiles and facial expressions from LJK (and KHN, IU and JS as well) which makes so endearing and interesting for me. Perhaps this drama is not perfect, if one would analyse it thoroughly, but for me the main leads carry emotional turbulence and development so well that I am 200% sold and hooked on this drama. It tugs my emotional strings so strong that I am constantly thinking about this drama and longing to see next episodes etc. That is the magic of this drama.
In comparison (although they SHOULD never been compared to begin with because they are different "fruits") Moonlight is light, beautify, well delivered & characters are lovely but I can watch an episode and easily (without any angst) wait for a week for the next. Or most likely, I will even postpone watching it until it is totally finished. With SH I feel like and addict - I will not be able not to watch it even if I am very busy and I should study for my Koran language test in a few weeks time :(

Yes, I guess it's a mystery what works for different people and why different people have different drama likings / preferences...

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I like Wang Wook but I don't like the loveline with Hae Soo. I'm a one woman for one man sort.
I'm also a sucker for dark heroes finding their beacon of light. That's how i see Wang So and Hae Soo. When they are together it's like Dark and Light, black and white, Yin and Yang. Not that she's pure or completely innocent but that she says what she thinks, puts a smile on people's faces, shes not judgmental and could draw out conversation from wolf dog.

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I agree!! Even if Wang Wook weren't married, I'd still want for her to end up with So! I'm a total sucker for dark heroes finding themselves and growing with the help of someone they love

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For me, its their conflict that attracts me. Not necessarily rooting for haesoo and wook to end up together, but i really like seeing their conflicted feelings being literally portrayed. I think this is also where haesoo's modern views play part. Because generally girls in those times would've accepted the prince at any second, regardless of the prince being married or whatever.
I just wished they showed more of haesoo's way of thinking, instead of just having her reminding herself of lady hae.

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Agreed. I like that these relationships will give layers and depth to her character (at least I hope so). Not all love stories are straightforward and clean. Some can be rife with grey areas and I feel like Su and Wook follow that color. The Su and So pairing we all know will be the OTP (based on first billing rules), but it's an expected end. So it's nice to see her meander a bit, flail a bit.

Its nice to see that she is developing distinct separate relationships with all the main princes (the nicer ones). The last one left is the Nam Joo-hyuk prince and I guess that's tomorrow :).

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"... i really like seeing their conflicted feelings being literally portrayed. I think this is also where haesoo’s modern views play part. Because generally girls in those times would’ve accepted the prince at any second, regardless of the prince being married or whatever."

With Hae Soo coming from the future and presentism comes in and becoming a huge factor in her thoughts, ideas, actions, and decisions; she will only make herself standout more and more to the royals.

But since Goryeo is now her (Ha Jin's) home, and as the time pass by with her growing from a child to a woman, how long can she live freely with her presentisms?

Though at the forefront is the relationship of So to this parents, brothers and the other royals and nobility, I think this is still much about Ha Jin as Hae Soo threading through the palace, as much as Ruo Xi in Bu Bu jing xin.

*To those who like to note how this compares to the original material: it follows the spirit, so far, in this context (love, marriage).*

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Not having seen the original Chinese show yet, I'm wondering what Haesoo's gonna bring to the table from the 21st century. I get that when you're thrown into Goryeo without any prior preparation, there's not a lot you can do, but so far Haesoo has only been a damsel in distress waiting to be saved by a dreamy prince or by another dreamy prince.

Editing wise, I find this episode more even that the last. I'm easily excited about the color treatment and color symbolism in dramas. While I'm still not satisfied about how gray and washed out the characters look all the time, I was most annoyed by the abrupt filter change at the end of episode 3. When So was going on a killing spree, everything was in a cool tone. Abrupt scene change. Suddenly he's walking away from the burning temple and everything is orange-tinted. What the heck? The scenes look good individually, but when they are strung together to make a whole episode, they look choppy and uneven. It's like we're changing the genre from action thriller to

Episode 4 doesn't seem to have that, so I hope the future episodes would be mindful and moderate in use of filters.

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@chiisan:

Please watch. Rouxi is one of intelligent character ever written. She is brilliant. smart and lots of knowledge of history that make her decisions and move separate from other woman on that era. In this version we didnt see Hae Soo inner tought of how to interconnect her knowledge of historical to comprehend her life in this era. That is a drawback of this drama. But still fun to watch.

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I agree. Ruoxi is one of the more intelligent female characters written. So despite the fact that we shouldn't compare the c and k versions of the show, sigh..my brain refuses. The k version seemed to have reduced her to the typical female lead in their dramas: all spunk but not much in the headroom. Really sad, that. I do hope she errrr sharpens her tools a little more down the line.

I do see an improvement however in the overall tone like everyone is saying, though if they could just stop with "comic" music before the comedic parts are happening, that would make me a happy camper.

Thank you Heads! for the super fast recap!

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I'd love to tune in for an intelligent female lead that drives the plot instead of being dragged around by the plot! But I heard the Chinese show is prettying long, isn't it? xD

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Chiisan, actually the original just has 35 episodes which is pretty short for a Chinese historical drama. And at 45 minutes/episode it's only like a 26-27 episodes Kdrama.

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Okay but if this show is a faithful adaption then So is going to marry his half sister, the princess chae ryung. So no one in this drama is a one woman man.

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@hana, you mean So is going to marry his half sister princess Yeon Hwa, right? I think Chae Ryung is Hae Soo's attendant. A typo? Kekekeke

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Wang So definitely will marry his half sis Hwangbo Yeonha, she's quite famous because she helped her husband get the throne in history.

Anyway I read their character description that Yeonha is in dismay because her husband doesn't love her but loves Haesoo. Can't help Wang So is married, most main leads in sageuks are married

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Oops haha yeah it was a typo, I often fight with my auto correct so I get distracted.

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I think despite they're so different, they have a similarity. They both just want to live. In her life Hae Soo seems downtrodden as well, not to the same extent of So of course, but both are survivors.

I think that's why when she asked him, "What so wrong with only wanting to live?" he stopped in his tracks.

So himself, doesn't want much. Even with his reputation, you can see in the episodes that if you are civil to him, he is civil to you. He's someone who has a lack of kindness in his life so when someone is kind, even the slightest, he notes that and appreciates it.

All he wants is to live near his mother, his mother to love him and appreciation from his father. That's it. He just wants to live in peace. But his environment never lets him be.

Growing up with an insane and cruel mother and a family who makes you go through deadly tests just so they can kill you in an 'accident' twists you up. Seriously, So could be worst.

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Spot on.

With Wang So I don't feel that he's ambitious (not yet, but palace life changes a man) which I feel Wang Wook may be a little bit (but he's got a household to look after...)

I do hope we get to see a few more flashbacks of Hae Su's life prior to timeslip. I feel that lack of background into her character is what makes her character a little hard to understand. Reading between the lines and making deductions and inferences can be very tiring after all. She definitely is a survivor. I feel that her constant reciting of "What's wrong with wanting to live?" holds more meaning than is being let on. I hope the show doesn't brush over it because I'm keen to know the gritty details of the hardships she experienced.

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I think I would be more accepting of it if Lady Hae wasn't so pitiful herself. My heart sank when she choked back tears and couldn't utter what she knew all along, that her husband respects her and is kind but nothing beyond that, there's no love there.
As for So and Su, I think they are beginning to understand one another, its not romantic yet. He was isolated his whole life and she feels isolated in Goryeo, they have common ground for friendship with or without romance. Wook, as dreamy as he is politically feels like a non-entity to me, as in I don't care type. Also, my heart sank that in order to stay with you own parents, So had to convince the king otherwise that he will be here as a subject not as a son. Ji-Soo found his corner to shine, but it is a tiny little corner, I hope he can make more room for himself.
IU has gotten better. Who else cried out of frustration at the end where the music took away the moment at the end during the snow-fall. The song itself is beautiful but just didn't mesh well with the Saguek setting and the underlying sentiment of that scene. Also, some technical aspects, the way the camera kept moving during the scene where a bloody So is confronting Su after he met his mother, it made me dizzy and sick in an airplane kind of way, they need to fix that. As always Lee Jun ki is perfect, that scene with his mother, all he wanted was a tiny bit of sympathy, his mother couldn't give that to him, not even that little bit. I hope karma get her.

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Me!!! I was confused for a whole two seconds until I realised it was the end of the episode. At least there's no random "I love you" in English like in one of the previous episode...

It's such a pity that the technicals are all over the place. For a preproduced drama these issues shouldn't exist. But the characters and acting are holding up and that's good enough for me.

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The technical parts that they screwed up for me still seems unforgivable, its hard to ignore that in pre-produced drama, I feel like the production team let down the actors big time in a way. How can you be careless with these things?? Also after Another Miss Oh, I think I have a heightened sensitivity to music and their role in each scene. I never truly understood how important role it has to elevate mundane to extraordinary or in this case to reduce significance of solid moments before but now I do and it irritates me. But episode 4 was way way better. I wish instead of being so complacent, the PD and editing team should have had worked hard behind the scenes before airing not one or two but 3 episodes in a row. That negative feedback has truly sunk the Scarlet Heart's ship to the bottom of the abyss. With what it has become in episode 4 and if they can continue this newly improved version and fix the rest and add perhaps some new music, at least they should get a decent 8-10 in my opinion. Loosing 1/3 of your live audience in second week is brutal.

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Wook had to marry to save his family... im guessing. Wondered why he as the 8th prince is the only shown married amongst his brotherhood (for a complicated family, the brothers are pretty close having friendly group meetings often). That's why i really hate the princess yeon hwa she showed no gratitude for her sis in law. Even very happy at the divorce suggestion. The mother in law queen hwangbo is more kind and just. Unni is the only one in love in their marriage maybe she even knew before that Wook never loved her and forced him given she may come from a high standing family. Wook had to follow out of familial duty and is playing his role as good husband out of gratefulness.

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Like this drama
Why rating so low? :(((
Lee Jun Ki Oppa deserves more rating

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My god this episode was soooo good. Lee Jun Ki acting out his "Look what I did for you!" moment was so heartbreaking and so....crazy. It made me think for a moment "YOU WHACKJOB" but it's a testament to his brilliant acting that he can give depth to a character beyond a handsome angsty prince, and have a man-child appear there driven to desperation by his hunger for affection.

Also, Kang Ha Neul nearly kissing IU took my breath away. The sexual tension between them is just damn. Love seeing him tormented by what he feels, while still trying to be a good, devoted husband. If I were IU I won't be as well behaved, yes I'm easy *ducks from flying tomatoes*

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my favorite Lee Jun Ki scene from this drama so far is the scene where Hae Su catches So without his mask in the bath! He showed so many emotions in such a short amount of time! you could literally hear his internal monologue just by looking at his face! Lee Jun Ki brings an emotional depth to his character that no one else can!

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I loved that scene too, he looked so childlike and vulnerable with his big eyes there T_T

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All these compliments to Lee Jun Ki makes me wants to check his previous work. I am still at his potrayal of playboy chaebol heir in My Girl and haven't move on... He was just a tad too pretty for my taste. But boy,....I'm sold by his performance here. Everything from his scenes oozed sexiness.. ?
I like his interactions with all the characters here.
Can you recommend other LJK dramas? I know for sure iII'll marathon Arang in the next few weeks or days as soon as i got it on hand. Not sure if i want to see Gunman in Joseon, but anything else? I need to fill up the days before each episode is out #dramaaddiction.

Also, i seconded the idea of making Drama Anonymous, where do i sign up?

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Lee Jun Ki dramas? Hmmmm.... Well Arang's and Joseon Gunman a good sageuks (though I found JG dragged a little, just a little....)

But my personal favourite of his dramas is "Two Weeks" - a modern day action-thriller about a father trying to save his daughter. The first couple of episodes are hard to watch but once you get into the meat of the story - really really good. Lee Jun Ki knocks it out of the park - proving he's not just the king of sageuks!

Other dramas: "Time between Dog and Wolf" - another action thriller and one of his earlier dramas but it is still extremely watchable and the action scenes are still some of the best around.

I'd recommend those two; I've rewatched them more times than I can count and even roped my brother into watching Two Weeks!

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He said in an interview that this his last saguek. Said he is too old too play a prince (pffft!)

So the next one should be a modern drama (yah!!!)

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Yeah, we've not seen him in a modern drama for quite a while. I found the trailer of modern c-movie Never Said Goodbye on youtube, apparently it seems to be released just recently in some Asian countries. Probably it will take a while before it becomes available online, will have to make do with this trailer to quench our thirst for the time being.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8IEA59ivNwhis

Though jun-ki looks best in sageuk garb, imo, he looks ethereally beautiful like a character straight out of Japanese anime in modern movie Fly Daddy Fly, he was much younger at that time, and he looked as if he is not real human but being drawn out.

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The first half of the teaser looked so light Pebble that I thought it would be somewhat of a rom com but I guess that part would only be the first half of the entire movie too. It still looks interesting, but do chinese movies get subbed often?

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Hi @wapz, even if not for jun-ki, the movie itself looks quite watchable, isn't it? I'm not sure if it will be subbed, probably the more popular ones will be I reckon, not even sure when it will be available on-line, can only patiently wait...

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Iljimae!

King and Clown (very pretty LJK...you have to see this, definitely proof of his versatility)

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Thank you thank you thank you for the recommendations!

I am not exactly fond of sageuk, unless i read others rec first... But I guess for Joon-gi ssi I will make exception.

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Yes, definitely see King &the Clown! That was the role that made LJG ten years ago as big a star as Song Joong Ki +Lee Min Ho now, the impact was that huge.

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I recommend you to watch "Iljimae" and "The King and The Clown"
You can see and feel, Lee Jun Ki's acting
so, not just rely on physical appearance and the face of interest only. More than that, he was able to bring the character of his role very well and are not afraid to look embarrassing.

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Iljimae, as cheesy as It was, made me love Junki.

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Watch Arang and Two Weeks!

There's also Time Between Dog and Wolf which was made before his MS, it was his first leading role in a drama ?

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Iljimae!! Lee Jun-Ki is at his most-awesomeness in Iljimae, which is also a historical drama, in which he looks very similar to how he looks now in SC (in black and with a mask ahahaa) but I tell you Iljimae is the coolest thing ever. It's kind of a 'Robin Hood' -esque storyline. Han Hyo-joo is the female lead (current female lead for W)

The drama was way back in 2008, but until now it's still one of the very very best for me. You laugh and cry hard throughout it, really.

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You have to watch Two Weeks!! I love all of his dramas, except for Scholar. I am not into vampires.

Time Between Dog and Wolf
Hero
Illjimae

Arang and the Magistrate and Two Weeks are two of my favorite dramas!

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Oh dear god! that first scene was amazing. When he came there smiling, i was like "uh oh! are you going on into psychopath mode". He was smiling but it was chilling in a deranged manner.

And then when his hope broke. When he is sitting on the floor remembering what all he endured, I was like "come here you puppy, let me give you a hug"

Then the crazy mom from hell just cut him right in the middle when she said "so what". And he was still recounting his story and you see him take it in and realise that his suffering means zilch to his mother.

So Freaking awesome! 5 stars to the episode just for that one scene. Fabulous bit of acting.

I have seen a lot of LJK's work but i honestly do not remember him going from one emotion to another and to another and to another, in a span of a single scene

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Absolutely agree. I felt he went all out with this role.

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I loved that scene too. That vulnerable look in his one eye while he hides his scar with his hands. That scene alone made me a fan of LJK for life...it was just so subtle and hauntingly portayed.

The range of emotions LJK portrays as Wang So is just commendable. I'm loving him and can't wait for his scenes.

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Lee Jun Ki with only half his face showing is more expressive than most actors with a full face. That is his level :D

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LOL. well said @pigsnout :)

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His face in that scene, I felt so hurt to see his shamed expression when he sees IU there. He really is amazing.

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Who's bright idea was it to cover half of Lee Joon Gi's face with that cheesy Phantom mask? Am I going to have sit through another 17 episodes without the joy of seeing LJG in full-faced beauty?

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Also having his left eye covered must affect his periphereal vision when fighting? Yet he can single handedly fend off hoards.

From a more practical real world perspective, it must be uncomfortable for LJG to wear that mask while filming.

I would've preferred it if they'd just showed him with the scar and do a comb over of his hair to sort of hide it a little.

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They worry that our hearts may not be able to handle his full face + mane of glory. Emo side bangs would not be enough to ruin his face

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lol ... That mane of glory should have a PPL. .. I would buy whatever they sell.

I think the mask serves as a constant reminder of his 'disfigurement' and makes the queen hate him even more.

Though i read his interview recently, he said acting with the mask was a tough job because you get just half the face to emote.

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I was eating my lunch while watching this ep just now, and I almost choked on my food when a tear rolled down jun-ki's cheek. omg, Luckily we only got to see one of his eyes only and not his full face, or else I would have already been choked to death seeing him choked with emotions! lol.

When Su was grumbling about having to climb up that small hill to bring So his lunch, I was thinking, I would climb the Mt Everest to bring him lunch, and just to see that heartbreakingly pitiful emo puppy smile. lol

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My hypothesis is that ratings would've at least doubled had LJG been without the mask :)

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@iluvJIS
That is what i was thinking too..they better unmasked LJK asap..i think it will give effect to the rating..maybe the huge amount of LJK fans in SK is not satisfied for him having half his face covered..i find it a little bit irritating not to see his full beautiful other-worrldly face..but the mask is only proving what a really great actor he is..able to show emotions with half face covered just put him on a diff level..

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But with the mask his beautiful profile stands out so much!!!! I am completely mesmerised whenever they show that one side of his face...

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I think the phantom mask makes him scarier than the scar,
but why it have to be a black iron mask,
it can get bad for his skin,
wy not something from clothes?,
eye patch maybe looked cheesy either, but that seems better with a bang,
but with the 3rd prince makeup skill, I think they can hide it,

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Has no one else thought Prince Zuko from Avatar the Last Airbender?

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you can track my comment and I mention it . ..
thank you for mention it,
Zuko is the prince with a hell of journey and scar that can't be covered

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not spoiling but it thus shown in trailer that hae soo will treating wang so scar. not sure. need to check the trailer again.

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I always felt I need to stifle a laugh when I see the mask. I mean it's not like So's scar is bad. It's actually pretty clean. Zuko's scar is worst and he doesn't go around wearing masks.

I always do roll my eyes when people cover their faces making a big deal out of the scar on his face. But I can understand there is an emotional element just as So's face scar is.

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This is funny. May be the mask is there for aesthetic reason. I like the mask, giving the more bad-boy vibe to So's already dark personality. Maybe the mask is to cover his pretty face or else too many will die of happiness seeing the beautiful face of Lee Jun Ki.

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Maybe So was sent to the Kangs because the royal family couldn't handle his pretty face - there would be too many casualties in the palace. And maybe the Kangs had him fight wolves because they couldn't handle his handsome face either - even with the mask on. Maybe his mother hates him so much because she feels he is prettier than her.

So doesn't even need a sword. He just takes his mask off, and BAM! everyone's dead by the beauty of his face and now he can have the throne.

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In the spoiler, was the scar really obvious? I hypothesized last ep that the only known skill we know Hae Soo has is cosmetology, and that she'll cover that scar up with makeup so he can discard the mask, and be more acceptable in his society.

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I never thought of that, but that makes so much sense!

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But you got to admit, even with just half a face and one eye to work with, he nailed all range of expressions brilliantly.

I knew he's talented when I watched King and Clown back then, but I never knew he's this good.

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You really know how to tempt me to rave about Lee Jun Ki. He is amazing and beyond. Apart from that charismatic acting, no one can deny that he is super HAWT. He almost burned a hole on my TV screen.

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I must confess, he made me watch episode 4 raw last night. I've never watched any drama without subtitle before, I have been patient enough to wait for the subs. Until LJK and the last scene of episode 3 happened...

sigh

Yesterday I even made a mistake about the time difference between my country and Korea that I kept refreshing (at work!) Dramabeans and another website looking for episode 4. I was very depressed by the time I went home from work because no episode 4 in sight. The thought of having to wait another 24 hours for episode 4 was depressing.

I was very sleepy last night and had been nodding off when I decided to check for one last time for episode 4 and whallla! I ended up watching the whole episode in raw, went to bed late, had to drag myself out of bed this morning to go to work (and arriving late) but felling very, very happy inside because I got tot watch episode 4.

I will be away for a week next week so I don't know how to survive without LJK T_T

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Download.... You gotta download, sista

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LOL. I think he some sort of a special limited edition drug. You can't help it that he is so addictive.

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@flin what site do you download from. How do you download it. I don't like streaming videos

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@leBoo you could download it at dramafever.com or dramafire.com or myasiantv.se all the instructions are there and easy to follow

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It could be worse. At least it's not a reprise of Il Ji-Mae's facial hardware. That was too "Man in the Iron Mask" for me...

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I like that su is swayed . Its obvious for someone to feel a attached to a person who cares so much about you at a different world, where you carried the wounds of your past too but when she will actually fall for our wolf dog I wonder how much swooned I'll be !! Show you better keep me giggly, teary, swoony, angsty all in one hour ??

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Adding on to Su being attracted to Wook, we already know that Su has trust issues from the first episode (with her ex and best friend) and honestly, Wook has been constantly helping her and caring for her. Also Lady Hae. She trusts them. I think that's why we can see her attachment to both of them so closely compared to the other characters. Especially in this episode.

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I also think that Su knows what it's like to be "thrown away" for another woman since that's what happened with her ex bf and ex bestfriend and she doesn't want to do that to Lady Hae even though she said to take on a second wife. Also on a side note I wish we could have accounts on dramabeans so we could track comments and read what people reply with or is there a way to do that and I just don't know

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Yeah, I wish DB would think about implementing Disqus, it's so easy to track replies with it and generally looks better organised than a normal comment section.

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Disqus will bring all kinds of trolls from the kpop blogs, this commenting system we have now is better and the commenters are also better.

I rather search by my name to see if new comments appeared or there are any replies, still better than having to see replies from salty people who do things like downvote comments because they get mad at anyone criticising oppa/unni acting.

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@ pigsnout : Wouldn't the visitors that frequent this page stay the same, even if DB changes to Disqus? I find it that trolls have it much easier typing with this system than Disqus, because they don't have to make an account and can't be blocked.
But yeah, you are right, the upvotes/downvotes system might bring new problems...although I've seen it work on asianjunkies or also on /r/kdrama.

(I somehow can't reply to you directly, I hope you see my answer.)

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@Chi - making that system means some will probably leave because it's annoying to make a login and all.

But I saw when kkuljaem started, it's a drama blog and still gets those nb-type kpop crazy because it has disqus so they all just come over from nb or kpkf with the same account and fight over their biases and downvote any comment they don't like. At least db mods can easily delete bad comments or spoilers in this current system, it's better than having another drama site always invaded by kpop crazy fans.

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Please have another vote against disqus. I'll take having a mature community genuinely passionate about dramas, over the ability to get reply notifications.

And a big NO THANK YOU to the prospect of db being invaded by the disqus crowd. Just no.

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Yes, and LJK's acting was so heart rending.

What is it about So that made his mother hate him so much. I really hope more background would be shed on the matter. Although acceptable at this moment to believe the mother's hatred, a little more explanation wouldnt hurt.

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I'm really confused as to why So's mother hates him just so damn much too. So's mother keeps mentioning that he brings misfortune wherever he goes. I think she blames him for the King taking on another wife, if you go back to that scene in the first episode. HeadsNo2 mentioned that her hatred could stem from her guilt of scarring So's face but it seems like she already hated So enough before his scar if she was willing to kill him.

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That was such a Medea-like moment for me - "if you reject me for another woman, I'll kill your child."

The scarring on his face probably reflects a clusterfuck of emotions for her - guilt towards So, rejection by her husband, hardening of hate. In Shine or Go Crazy, Wang So (the same character in history as our Wang So) was born unlucky, under a bad and bloody star leading to wars and murder for everyone around him. His mother hates him in that drama too, because she thinks a number of murders (including her older son's) in the palace when he was a kid were due to his bloody fate, and he's going to do much more damage before he's through. That's why he's sent off into the wild and away from all the brothers in the palace.

Unless this drama is copying wholesale personality and plot devices from Shine or Go Crazy, there must be a foundation legend for Wang So in Korean history, but I've been unable to find it in English on google. Born unlucky, mother hates him, father sends him away, associations with wild animals, not allowed to learn martial arts, etc. If anyone knows of a site that tells this legend, please let me know.

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agree with what you said about Wang So's mother. I mean it was crazy her Medea moment as you said, I think every time she sees So, she's reminded of her twisted soul, like he's a manifestation of her evilness.

What you wrote about Want So also makes sense. If he's considered already that deadly and bad luck, the lack of martial training makes sense, why would you make him more dangerous and efficient to wreak havoc when he's already so vicious as he is. That's probably what they think.

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I think that she blames him for the king marrying someone else, because if the king had valued So enough when she threatened his son's life, he'd have bowed to her demands and not taken a new wife. She probably thinks there's something deficient about him, that a father won't even love him enough to stop his death after what she sees is her reasonable and desperate request. Of course, no son would have been good enough to do that. But she's crazy so that's probably where her rationale lives.

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"You're a disgrace, shame and flaw to me."

Damn, hearing those words from your own mother. So's mother is very harsh. And that scene with the 14th Prince, just twisted the wound deeper. My heart is bleeding for So. ?

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I liked So's punch though XD

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The punch was quick. LJK definitely knows how to throw a proper punch

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i know there is a love triangle, but don't i see her often with So but mostly around Wook.

The princes are like F4 but instead F14?....love them. but i want to see more interaction between Su ad So.

Can i say i hate the king&queen? you own son? like seriously?

i still feel like we at the introduction stage...but it's ep 4

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Mmm I think she had plenty interaction with So today though. Even more than Wook. She does live with Wook so to expect her to not interact with him much is futile. I don't really care as long as my ship is sailing and boy, was it sailing today! People talking about SLS and I'm like "who??" I only speak, hear, and see Wang So. Unless Lee Jun Ki is playing dual role or his character is an abomination, I don't ever get Second Lead Syndrome lol

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In the last scene, So mentioned that he's not gonna see Su as often anymore because he'll be at the place. I'm worried about how we'll get more So/Su scenes! But since they're the main pair, I have faith that the show will make it work.

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Maybe So will sneak out of the palace to see Su ㅎㅎㅎ

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My point exactly? How are they going to step up SU/SO interactions.

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I'm definitely not getting any SLS on this drama maybe it's because I can't wrap my head around her with Wook when she's such good friends with Lady Hae.. I've definitely gotten severe cases of SLS on other dramas tho ?

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@chrissydiva we on the same page. I am always team lead never had the second lead syndrome. They stepped it up. I want to see more of LJK.

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I think in this ep Hae Soo spends less time with 8th prince than with Wang So,

and I also think we are still in the introduction phase, the faction making between The King , Crown Prince and Wang So versus The Queen and the 3rd prince,

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I just had to reply that you're F14 comment made me LOL.
It reminded me of the fictional boy group from the Thai movie Seven Something. ?

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@feignedreality Lol. I swear at times it's like i am watching F4. They all sooo yummy.

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This drama is my favourite now. Looking forward to the next episode. Lee Joong Gi and Kang Ha Neul are really good.

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Bwahahahahaba

At least all the showers in Goryeo were cold, right?

Yep, at least he has that going for him. He can take a cold bath anytime, anywhere...

I think that I am with you in that I wish Soo's character would have had more "fish out of the water" moments.

Maybe is because they have fewer episodes and a lot of story to cover in just 20 episodes, but it feels as though some conflicts and stories are rushed... almost like an abridged version of the story they wanted to tell. Maybe that's why I am not connecting yet... IDK

but so far So's inner and outer conflicts are the only thing that keeps me coming back. LSG is killing it... he owns So and I cannot stop because of him alone.

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Sorry!! LJK!! Hahaha

I need an edit bottom :)

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*button!! Jeez hahaha

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I keep having that abridged feeling too, like the story is missing connective tissue getting me organically from point to point. This episode leaves me with the mental image of a stone skipping across water, touching down at a few points: Wook loves So! Su is all warmed up toward So! But it flew over the parts where I was supposed to learn how those things came to pass.

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On this I agree 100%. Although I am totally committed and addicted to this drama (mostly because of LJK) I would prefer more time spend on exploring character developments. Your comparison of "a stone skipping across water" is so appropriate and exact! It's perfect description of a problem.
For example, I would liked to know how much So saw of the the fight in the bamboo forest? He noticed HS running very early one so assume he saw her defending the young prince, no? And from which moment he saw HS being beaten? He asked back his hair pin - so, that means he heard some parts of discussions and why conflict started... I think, spending time a bit more on each character would have helped. Now we are rushing through and at best we are getting one scene or two for each character.
Of course, in a way I understand - with such complex setting and so many characters its is inevitable that this is what we are getting from 20 ep. drama...
But it is a pity - at least for key characters I would preferred to spend more time seeing the change and development of feelings. Although, I don't like long dramas but in this case I would not mind having more episodes in order having more screen time showing emotional changes of the key characters!
More LJK on my screen - the better!

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The reason Su seems more comfortable is because she is, she already has a strong identity, she is under the protection of a powerful family, but is not influential enough to be taken seriously. And she also has the whole amnesia excuse. She spend almost all her time at home or with her servant. And nobody is gonna be suspicious of her...she doesn't have to worry about making slips, and she doesn't .

She seems happy, is because she is. I don't think she had anything left in the present when she left. Which is why she takes it as a new chance on life.

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Hmm... I wonder if they're moving the love line of Wook and Su too fast. Also, how they made So warm up to Su so fast. It's not that I don't want to see this episode for its goodness. I just have to point out those things. But let's see how tomorrow goes.

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I'm also perplexed with how fast Su is being closer to Wang So. The last three episodes he went around saying death threats to Su and she was scared of him, but suddenly when she saw him being totally out of his mind she approached him. I would have run away really fast if I saw someone in that state but then there would not have been a drama then LOL

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in Wang So's side, i think that he's rarely find someone who's not hating him or scared of him. it's always the two things about him that people see on him. This Su's girl is neither of them. she's not fear of him nor scared of him. yes she's scared, but she still care enough for him when she demolished the stone which is why he soften towards her. it's not surprised that she has a key to his heart because she cares for him in his most vulnerable moment.

At Su's side, i dont think she's that stupid not to scared of him. she is. but every threat that he throw, i would kill you everytime he met he, he never actually does or even close to do it. Even in the forest he didnt really do it...yes, he's scary, but he does it because he's lonely, at least that how she see him.

its quite fast especially for So to open up to Su because what su does is what he longing from his mother or brother yet he never have.

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IT actually makes sense to me because So is so deprived not only of love but of basic human decency. Even wook, who is the nicest of all, tells him off when he feels threatened of WS-HS. I don't see at as love but he is just attracted to the warmth she emits

As for her, in the directors cut there is a scene which time-wise would have taken place a few hours before the scene here where he sort of lets on how disillusioned he is with 'family' and 'mother'

So when she sees him a few hours later, injured, i don't find it strange that she comforted him.

And after that, when you have seen someone at their lowest, i think the fear of their invincibility goes away. So she becomes more free. Which draws So more to her.

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@bips99

Where can I see this director's cut? Intriguing

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And let's not forget all the RIGHT things she says to him as in "I would ask why you killed them" (or smth like that) while he was destroying those rocks... Or saying that she is not a thing, but a person (in the 10th century!) and he is asking her why? It makes him curious. The fact that she is asking about his feelings and saying the "right" things is smth she brings from the 21st century which is what might make him drawn to her faster. I don't think they talked to much about feelings back then, or at least not the way a modern day girl like her would.

Also, in the preview for the next episode someone says: "please accept Hae Soo as the princes wife" and than the 8th prince says "take her of him for me".????? whooooo could that be??

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@Flin

Sorry, it was free on SBS site till monday only.

But in Comment No. 54, Blah, explained the scene .
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"The scene where Su came to prayer stones and talked to her mother/herself was actually longer.
Su did not just say she felt fluttered by Wook but also wondered if relationships are both hard in Goryeo and morden times and wished her mother could come and take her home.
And IT WAS SO WHO STOOD BEHIND HER AND HEARD THAT. He confronted her ‘what is a mother?’ and she answered mother was the one who always comforted and stood by your side no matter what. So raged cause those were feelings he had never experienced, but I think Su’s words did touch somewhere deep inside him. And then he advised Su (angrily) that she only had herself to depend on so if she really wanted to live here just live…
It’s such a gold moment and explains So-Su interacts in prayer stones this 4th ep. It also showed viewers how Su came closer to So and how So could ease up and become warmer towards her in later eps."

Also in comment no. 55.2.1. mishiro_san, put a twitter link for the scene, unsubbed

https://twitter.com/Ueana_Kira/status/771951359616835584

Thank you both :)

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EXactly. Those times were such that men were not supposed to talk about feelings and relations were formal

So HS's 21st century thinking really cut through WS's walls. Because for the first time someone was willing to talk to him and understand him. Without fear or without calling him pathetic.

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Aha, i thought the scene where she approached him feels like an earlier scene is missing. Why is the earlier scene being cut and where can i watch the director's cut?

Thanks bips99.

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I think he warmed up at the first sign of a little compassion, which is understandable, since he was even talked down to by Wook and Jung in this episode, who actually seem like decent people. And it feels like he inspires more reactions than he does stuff which justifies then. Like we've seen him with Ji Mong or Mu, he doesn't seem like he's entirely constantly cold or brutal all the time, it's just that people avoid him of their own accord and because of the stories about him. The moment someone is not scared of him, he gives up the act. I don't think they're moving towards love, for me they're moving towards friendship or an understanding currently.

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IU's interview she mentioned that Wook and HS are like attraction in first instant.

But WS and HS grow from general humanity and treating someone with care to finally love. So it fits the narrative.

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I was so sad to see even Jung being so rude to his brother, first time in my life I want to slap Ji Soo!

But seriously that scene was really good, and well acted between LJK and Ji Soo. They have good chemistry as an older brother-younger brother. But he should show his hyung some respect!

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I agree! I'd have liked those fish-out-of-water moments but sometimes it feels like we're just watching a rehash of things we've seen before if all dramas of a genre follow the same trajectory. So I like that we're more focused on the present day story. And I do really like Hae Soo, particularly in this episode.

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I might be in a minority but I'm glad we're not getting more fish out of water, omigod I'm in another time period, moments. It's not much fun for an actress to have to play wide-eyed shock/incredulity for any length of time, and the stunned panic actually quite bothered me in W at the beginning. Still gets on my nerves a bit because poor thing keeps getting shocked. I'm liking how just Hae Soo's humanist/feminist modern reactions are causing social and moral re-evaluations by her and those around her.

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Let me join that minority. Because those moments in other dramas really irritate me. And I'm loving that they can focus on other things now.
Like how many times can you be surprised of the same thing.

She is after all living her day to day life in this timeline, if anything the present prob feels like a dream to her.

And as a modern girl who has seen too many movies, I wouldn't be very surprised of magic is real.

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I think she kind of easily accepting is because she wanted so badly to be non-existent in her present day life. What's with the cheating boyfriend and mounting debts, she could have felt that Goryeo is a safe heaven for her and that she couldn't complain now that the troubles are all a thousand years away. I guess, that may be explain her acceptance.

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I think, fingers crossed, that we're beginning to see Su maturing and becoming more than a wide-eyed girl. I hope that's the direction it's going anyway. For awhile there it was as though Su and So were in different dramas; one all breezy and lighthearted and the other dark and angsty.

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I hope for this too.

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Wow! I wasn't really planning on watching this show. But now that I've started I can't stop!

I am blown away by Lee Joon Ki's acting, especially in the first scene with his mother. I was hurting for him so much! And his character, Wang So, is being carefully unraveled so we can better understand him, pity him and care for him.

Hae Soo is refreshingly brave in the scene where she saves the 14th prince from having his arm chopped off! I love her spunk and courage!
Am so excited for tomorrow to see how Hae Soo's relationship with Wang So develops further. She seems to be the first person who isn't afraid of him and he finds that confusing and refreshing.

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It's so fun and satisfied feeling I have, watching the little growth on Hae Soo.

I don't know if anybody notice yet, bcs the revelation is around the triangle love and the dynamic btween everyone in the palace, but our heroine Hae Soo has changed!

Anyone remember our first encounter with her in ep1, when she saw the boy drowning, eventually she saved him but with a lot of hesitation thinking maybe, maybe anyone could save him & doesn't have to be her in that position.

But, after travelled to Goryeo, when everyone here (some) shower her with so much love and cares (def more than her present life), she slowly gained her big heart again, slowly thinking about others more, bcs love gives the loved ones power you can't imagine.

Hae Soo changed or back into the better version of herself bcs her noona, Prince Wook, even 10th prince and her loyal servants show her sincere cares, which gives her a lot of strength to also care , weather saving 14th prince, care too much abt Su's hairpin, abt Su's breaking point in the praying stone, abt Su having lunch alone in the top of mountain, abt her servants being punished, she stood up for them, without hesitation, without thinking about the advantages/ disadvantages of her actions helping them.
She just..help the, empathy them without any second thought..unlike the first ep of her.

Can we give her round of applause?

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Old Queen Sinmyeong's not exactly up for 'Mother of the Year' is she?
And can somebody please tell all older actresses all over the world that if you're going to get a lip job get one that's not lopsided.

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Is Yeon Hwa into Wang So? Like romantically? That's just wrong.

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It is wrong in modern days but in those times it is normal...if you watched the special, the historian explained it there.

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What?? Omg, i can understand if they have different fathers but, but, but...

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If you read wikipedia about Goryeo, the real Wang So (4th king of Goryeo - Gwangjong of Goryeo) married his half sister Hwangbo Yeonhwa - who later became Queen Daemok.

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Wang So also married his niece (aka Wang Mu's daughter).

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I always research historical dramas before i start a historical drama. It helps me understand the period they acting and what was happening. I love history.

He married his half-sister and niece. I was surprised. I think during that era that was okay.

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Historically, the pharaohs would marry their full siblings too! We know now how wrong incest is and how it increases the likelihood of your offspring carrying genetic diseases. I guess it also makes sense for royals to marry sisters/neices as a way of keeping the bloodline more pure??

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Example: The Hapsburg Jaw

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Yeah, poor Charles II

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So much cousin-marrying there, did they never think of their children? Poor things.

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It's called keeping it within the family. Royals do that before.

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There is a special? Where? It's not on DF.
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no I don't think so,
people in that era have limited interaction, especially if you are royal,
and they don't seems to meet each other much,
it makes more sense for her to love Wang So because he is gentle to her and they don't meet for a long time,

we get freaked out because our perception of sibling is someone we grown up with but what of we didn't grow up together??
that's why many people imo likely find spouses that resemble someone from their family, like their mom and dad, or their brother and sister,

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Incest predates written history. I think anthropological studies concur with your point of growing up together. I don't remember much except something about brother and sister seeing each other doing their bathroom business from a young age would stop certain feelings when they grew up.

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I mean the normal situation without the incest tendency . . .

like so and the sister may have the same blood but didn't live together so their interaction is like normal people,

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Theres also the political issues and stuff.. So its normal then..

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From what I see in the show, it's only considered incest when you marry a sibling who shares both the same father and mother as you. So Yeon-hwa wouldn't even think of getting together with Wook haha. However since So is a half-sibling, it's a bit different.

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Yeah, I think that's true. In some societies, it's only considered incest if you share the same mother. I think that's what's happening here.

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It was as much a political marriage for him as it was for her. This writer is just adding this one sided romance for some reason. It's not enough that Wang So has an evil/jealous mother. He's gotta have a jealous wife too lol.

They were expected to marry to keep the royal bloodline in the family. At least Goryeo wasn't as strict as Shilla's bone rank system.

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It was perfectly normal to marry their siblings back in those days. They want to strengthen their royal blood by inbreeding. That's why a lot of them die early, have stillbirths etc

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Also because they didn't have the scientific knowledge, they probably never knew inbreeding caused all these problems....

But in some places even now it's still legal for cousins to get married.

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This is very normal compared to shows like Game of Thrones :P

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For once i hope they do not follow history and adjust it to him just marrying SU, to sooth our nerves.

Like in warrior Beak Dong Soo, he actually married his master's daughter but in the drama he was with the other lady.

Please Mr Director and Writer, let So not marry YH.

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Yesss! Me too I don't think I could stand watching So marry YH and Su having to deal with a jealous bitchy first wife... If they absolutely must go through with making So marry YH I hope the romance between So and Su is firmly in place! What if they make a So look alike from the modern world transport/time travel to Goryeo and the real So and Su go back to modern times ? I actually Wikipediad Wang So earlier but I didn't want to comment on it since I wasn't sure if it was a spoiler

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Dude you cannot just reveal such things here without writing SPOILERS ALERT!! That's just wrong!

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I feel bad too..No more suspense for me i guess..

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I don't know if that's true,
the story doesn't resemble the chinese one so that's arguable

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I can't figure out if they are going with the novel more or the twisted Goryeo history or the writer's own version....

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Hmm maybe not, but now it's been mentioned, 9th prince seems to share a look with her, and he says "the girl has had enough whipping" meaning Chae-ryung. He's the only one besides Hae Soo who says one concerned word about Chae-ryung.

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UGH! Please put something like *********SPOILER ALERT HERE********* WARNING next time.

I have not watched the original. =(

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I've inducted the King and Queen onto the Wall of Shame. Worst parents ever.

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Yep! Sums it up perfectly! I hope the mom dies right after he becomes King and he tells her as she's dying "How do you like dem apples? Am I still not shining enough?" Ugh hate her!

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Most king and queen's were never equipped with parental instincts. This is why the killings within the bloodline was probably the norm.

But this tandem of ignorant king and evil queen is one for the books. The king should stop wearing that beaded hat. That thing might be blocking the air to his brain that's why he's so bloody foolish and stupid.

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The real king was far from being ignorant and his queens each helped him in different ways. Through marriage he gained the loyalty of all their clans. Each clan had their own wealth and army etc.

This writer is so frustrating. Why are they being painted as terrible people?

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I get the feeling that the King is just pretending to be ignorant and turning a blind eye to everything. He's just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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The Chinese writers had more respect for their emperor. This is pretty sad.

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The King is definitely just pretending in my eyes. I think there was a moment of tenderness on the King's part when So first arrived at the palace but the King turned cold towards him when he confessed to killing the assasins, because i think, the King is concern that he might be on his mother's side. This King gives the vibe of the Emperor from the Chinese drama Nirvana in Fire, except this King is a bit restrained.

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Wang So.... my heart </3
Something about Wook is off to me... He's eerily too kind for someone who's a Prince and who's been tied up in Palace politics for his whole life... there has to be SOMETHING under all that niceness-- I just hope Su won't take it too hard when it all comes pouring out, but then again, she'll have So with her =)
Jung and Eun, aigoo my two little puppy princes kekekeke
And Su, you keep being you, girl ~~!!!!

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Given how dark the undertone for this drama is.... I'm really most scared for the two puppies as you said. They're so fresh and innocent, I'm afraid they'll be the most disillusioned and hurt once all the family rivalries come to the forefront. T____T
I'm especially scared for Jung, since So told Queen B that he'll make her look only at him. It's a given Yo will have to suffer, but I don't want Jung to get in the middle of that mother-son dysfunctional relationship either.

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+1 I think the two puppy princes would most probably be the first casualties as well. Those poor things, its just seems like waiting to happen.

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I've seen the original C-drama version of the drama and I know what happens, but since the K-drama version is leaning more towards an adaptation of the novel, I really can't say... I also don't want to make any comparisons of the 2 dramas and want to watch "Moon Lovers" as a drama of itself =) But this is how I see it:

When poop will finally hit the fan and all the rivalries come to light, I think this is what might happen (and this is all just guesses, NOT spoilers, so please, anyone who sees this follow-up comment, please don't rip into me):
- Mu will probably have died/been dethroned at this point
- Yo will *voluntarily* go into the middle of it all just to grab attention, and because he wants to be the Crown Prince
- So will take a step back, and try to leave and will take Su with him
- all of Won and Wook's true colours and motives will finally come to light and Su will probably end up scared of him more than she ever was of So
- Eun will hopefully have been married with some powerful in-laws by then to protect him
- Baek Ha will have been the first to pull out of all of this mess before getting hurt, since he's always been the one that's not in the Palace in the first place and will take the chance to leave when possible
- Jung will still be hiding behind Queen Mother's back/shadow more than ever and would have done nothing

Did I get everyone (all the princes)?

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I agree with you. There just has to be something under all that niceness. I feel he will commit the worst betrayal.

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I also find Wook a little TOO nice. It feels very much as if its a mask he wears to cover up all the darkness that's probably boiling up inside him. Sometimes he is really nice to So, but then there are moments where he like flips his behavior around to So. I'm not sold on Wook. Unpopular opinion here, but he is actually one of my least favorite characters.
Su is, shockingly, my favorite. Her very first scene actually sold it for me. I just related to her so much. The part where she says she wants to sleep for a thousand days, or forever, I get that. I have had days where I wished I could sleep forever. Days where my money has run out and my student loans are hanging over my head. Days where I feel friends have betrayed me, and maybe it would just be better to sleep forever, or at least sleep until I was in a better world.
Now, Beanies, don't be worried about me! I have had good days too! Days where I walk under the trees, singing like I'm in a Disney movie. I have had so many amazing days. I am just saying that I relate to Su. And if I found myself, on one of those bad days, in a completely new world, I might just be ready to shake off the old and hope for the best with the new, like Su.

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The drama is getting better, it's too bad the ratings are going the other way. I for one am equally enjoying both this and moonlight. I especially liked IU's performance in this episode. Moon lovers has some notable flaws, yes, but her acting isn't one.

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I agree. The double header in their first week probably did not help, especially since EP 1-2 were messy and uneventful compared to EP 3-4. I'm enjoying both sageuk shows on Mon and Tues and I hope both will get good results.

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I'm so glad I can watch them both. Moon Drawn was subbed first today and I watched it thinking how great it was, then Moon Lovers was subbed and I watched it thinking it was just as good if not better. I feel spoiled today!

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I'm weirdly charmed by this show as of this episode, which I think is mostly due to the main trio and their interactions. They're all pretty fantastic and I hope they tone down the quirky~ scenes a bit and concentrate on the sweeping historical drama aspects because those scenes are gorgeous and work way better for me.

It also helped that we had less of "all princes in one place" scenes, because those made me cringe.

I'm still baffled at some of the editing and music choices, making us go from from TORMENTED MURDERER to PLING PLING FUN ROMANCE so quickly. LJG's acting helps me connected to So despite those things, so I'm glad for him and his face. Can't believe this is the first time I'm seeing him in a drama, GUESS I'LL HAVE A FEW SHOWS TO CATCH UP ON.

oh the woes of finding a new actor/actress to love and needing to watch all things they have ever appeared in EVERRR

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"oh the woes of finding a new actor/actress to love and needing to watch all things they have ever appeared in EVERRR"

I feel you. Now I have several pending to watch series by Lee Jong Suk, Lee Jun Ki and that Moon something actress from Marry Me Mary. Ah, my schedule is packed these days :D

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I'm enjoying this drama. IU has good chemistry with all the Princes. Lee Jun ki is even more glorious than usual this time around. Don't ask why. I have no idea. He just is. Kang Ha neul lives up to my every expectation. He is just a sexy young actor and deserves a shot at a lead. Jeez, his stare would melt pavement.

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All the wheels are now set in motion. This episode is good.

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I want to be that pavement ?

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The main three ate good though LJK and KHN are best of all. IU never deserved the abuse she gets, her acting is quite good.

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I mean the main 3 ARE good.

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I agree with you! I thought So warming up to Su was fast this episode but, I guess it makes sense since she's the only one showing him that he cares for her. I'm not really sold on Su's relationship with Wook. I guess I'm just Team So lol. It really bothers me that they haven't really addressed how a girl from the 21st century ended up in Goryeo. It makes me kind of worry for the future of this drama and I'm not completely sold on Su's character either. I'm not sure if it's the writing, directing or IU's acting. I feel like it's a combination of all three. The characters of all the other princes make up for that in a way. But, I also enjoy her interactions with the princes so I find her likable enough. Impatiently waiting for episode 5!!

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>> it so far hasn’t really felt as though she’s absorbed any of those differences, nor has she seemed to really take in what’s happened to her<<

I knew I am beating a dead horse too but I think it because she has no plot on her own, like she has no real goal as herself, her 21st century soul in the Goryeo era, just something than being there as the catalyst for the prince heartbreaking moment, yes it helps but not really a plot,# it's a secondary purpose, it only serve something when the prince is there, she serves nothing without the prince's scenes.

I find this episode is really engaging because the execution is really good this time, the close up in is way better with the better actor (LJK, KHM and KHN's wive),
they don't use that in others actor which make me feels their acting is improved,
I like the scene when Wook and his wife talking about the 2nd wife, it's the intensity and the feeling that they actually a good match, they understand and accepted each other, it breaking my heart to see how Wook denied his feeling,

I think they may cut some scenes since I find Hae Soo development with So is too quick, an episode ago she afraid of him because she thought he wants to kill him but now she just doesn't?
it gets talked but it just not natural to come up and saw the bloody prince then asking his condition like the protest and assassin things yesterday doesn't happen at all.
or maybe that's the charm of a handsome prince,

another dead horse is the music , at 1st half it better but they used that dun dun dun dun warning music quite a lot and I always able to hear the "I Love you" in the back sound, sometimes I feel they need some old instrument sounds, no words just the melody,

the 4th prince story is weirdly dramatic, the acting is great, the tremble lips is totally capture the moment,
I just don't get why? Why they all behaved like that,
it just makes me wonder how big the scar is because the keep saying it,
if it's like Zuko in the Avatar, I get that's really humiliating but it seems like it doesn't even that big and it kinda hard to believe that So thought it was because of that,

The 4th story reminds me of Bidam but bidam is scary guy (for the large part of its) because of himself while So is because of the environment.
Bidam has all the good guide (with strict limitation) and still find the darkness inside while So seems more easy to solve,
just accept him, mum, he'll be temporarily happy with being used,

oh, and am I the only one who find it weird that no one is in the court and we hardly see any ministers?
the shot is wide and giving the idea of an empty room for a small meeting, not grand princes x kings x queens moments,

They should just aired 1st five minutes of ep 1 and then used ep 3 and 4 for the 1st week, then slipped ep 1-2 for a small moment because the 10th prince apparently not an urgent plot so far,

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I don't watch the re-run cause Idk when it aired, is it available on streaming site?

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The scar's not nearly that big, LOL. He took off his mask and accidentally revealed the scar to Haesoo in episode 2 during the bath scene, and in my opinion anyway, you can hardly tell it was there. I guess they wanted to keep it realistic, but it's kinda a pity though, since it felt anticlimactic (wish they had exaggerated it more).

Picture (hope posting links here works...): http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/javabeansdb/drama/2016/ryeo/moonlovers2-00550a.jpg

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it wasn't really believable as a reason to believe in those long years
and not a stretch if a girl can accept that scarred face of LJK,
so why the mask again?
yeah probably for the dramatic effect but I prefer the unmasked LJK

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There actually is a lot of meaning behind it - symbolism, really.

A big part of values there, especially in the court, is beauty (remember how mad the King got when the 10th was bruised in the face by Haesoo). An injury could be seen as imperfection, and the royal family especially needs to be seen as dignified and in a good light by its citizens.

Another big thing is that it was inflicted on the 4th by his mother when she was attempting to make the King stay and not wed after their child passed away. That moment in time is probably one of the lowest points in her life, and her weakness. His very existence probably reminds her of that time, which adds to why she hates him (sucks for him though, considering none of that is his fault). He, however, obviously wants to win his mother's favor, so perhaps he thought that covering that scar with a mask would soothe her anxieties. If anything though, to me, covering it with a mask just emphasizes it even more than it was before, which is contradictory.

In one of the teasers aired before the drama began (forget which one), there's a scene where Haesoo take off the 4th's mask. My guess is that she's going to use makeup to hide it. This moment is arguably the most important point in the drama because

* it gives her an actual meaning for being brought into the past, and explains why her character loves makeup (and no one else can do this as of yet, so that gives her power)
* it shows that he trusts her enough to let her take off the mask and to cover it up
* it gives him a chance of being accepted by the others because the scar isn't there

Without the scar, none of the above would happen.

This importance is partially why I thought they should make it more exaggerated. Though I suppose the fact that it's really small emphasizes how much such a small (visually) thing impacts him.

Though considering this wasn't part of the original novel (right ?), part of it was probably for dramatic effect, haha. But I'd like to think they thought this through and there's more to that than just visuals.

I agree in that him without the mask is a lot better <3

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in the past, scars on the face is a disgrace to the person and family. wang so is a royal prince, having a scar would put the royals in shame and disgrace as royals are often portrayed as perfect human beings. it is not only in this drama but we can see throughout all saeguk/historical drama, scars as tiny as it is on the face is really humiliating and other people will feel scared whenever they see it. that is what happen in the old time. we need to throw away all of our modern thinking, intelligent thinking or whatever it is in our era when we watch this drama. this will help us to enjoy the story more.

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I probably should have read what you wrote before I posted that essay, LOL. Agree with everything you said.

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I understand the concept but I feel like giving him a bigger scar would fit better or make the explanation better then the unidentified one,
or just reveal the scar,
only talking without showing clearly in 4 episode is the start of my doubt

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I like that you showing both side in this comment section and not just fall for the rating news or the prince acting, it's hard to read the comment about how everything is as deep as it written by the comment when in my opinion is just like that,

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They fixed the music in the 'live' version airing in Korea. I guess they can't do anything about the episodes already sold and distributed to the various channels and websites. So i guess we'll have to live with it

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Actually the female lead's plot is basically she time travelled to the past, and got involved in the lives of several princes and other people in the palace. I'm not sure what plot you are looking for? I'm not sure what goal can she set since in that era, she is not in control of her life?

How big is the scar is not that important, what is important is that there is a scar at all. It is a big deal because the Goryeo valued their looks and someone with a scar on his face will be an outcast. A prince with a scar will not be eligible for the throne because he is imperfect. Her maid mentioned that if he wasn't a prince, he would be allowed into the city. That's why he hides it with a mask. It would also seem that it is unlucky or bad luck for someone to see the scar.

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*he wouldn't be allowed into the city*.

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Ooooh, I wonder if javabeans has dropped this drama? I'm starting to really enjoy it. Great acting from everyone in this episode! And the background music is not as off as the first two episodes. Hurrahhhh!

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I think Heads commented below that it was really hers who was supposed to recap this but something happened so jb have to take over the first week.

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thats good to know. Heads is doing a great job too.

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After all when someone just want to escape reality, running to new environment can be like a salvation. There they will try a new start finding place where they belong.
Maybe Su is currently enjoying her escapade, let's see what will happen when she is thrown to bloody battle of brothers.

How I wish to escape somewhere like her… and if a guy as fine as Wook serving his plushy lips I would suck it in second like there is no tomorrow. hahahahahahahahaaa *ahjumma mode*

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Kang. Ha. Neul. That is all.

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The almost-moment of the forbidden kiss - the darkness, the silence, the quickening of breaths, heavy lids dropping, eyes darkening, eyes on fire, sensual lips parting, drawing closer, closer, AND THEN the sudden jolt to reality, the recoil, the guilt...ELECTRIFYING.

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I've rewatched that scene more times than the number of princes in this show.

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Thank you for the recap!!

I haven't watched with subs yet but I loved the raw version, especially those with LJK's scenes. He is such a great actor!! His scenes with mother, breaking the pillars, and then rebuilding them were all great. His emotions broke my heart. Can someone give him a big hug?!! I'm so glad that Hae Soo is developing a friendship with him :) So happy that her liveliness will bring light (?) in to his life.

I like Baekhyun's character. He is cute and funny! Haha.

Tomorrow's episode cannot come any faster! So addicted to this now.

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I absolutely loved this episode. I was in a fit of giddy giggles every time So and Su had a close to romantic moment. Totally ship them together.

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So warming up to Su was a huge leap from the previous episodes that it got me think "eh? already?" I dunno. It's unnaturally fast considering So's threats and Su being afraid of him in the previous episodes.

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Hae Soo noticed that he was injured and told him it needed to be taken care of. From what we saw with his interactions with his terrible mom and dad, we know that's all he wanted, for somebody to care. He was so thrilled when the king finally asked about his injury, and when the queen asked him a simple question that he thought was being concerned about him. And even when Yeon Hwa tended to his injuries, he seemed touched too. So him suddenly having a soft spot for Hae Soo doesn't surprise me :)

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Was she really afraid of him though because she always talks back to him? She went after him after he pretty much almost choked her just to give him back an hairpin. So I don't see why it's a stretch for her to try to talk him down. She might just love danger at this point or she's just thirsty lololol

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He warmed up because she's concerned to him. Instead of being scared with all those blood. She asked him about his injury first.

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I think she was afraid of him initially, but after threatening to kill her so many times & not doing it, she probably thinks that she's quite safe with him. I don't recall her seeing him killing anyone, so she doesn't realise how scary he is.

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I find it quite believable that he suddenly has a soft spot for her after she tells him to stop because he's injured and in a pretty bad place after going to see his mother, so her worrying about him made him feel a little important(?) human(?) especially after he went to his mother like a little boy looking for a compliment or a nice word after killing all those people for her and she only tells him he's a monster and her failure. Then Su comes and worries about him even after him threatening her so it's like she worries about me she doesn't think of me as a monster.. Sorry if this comment is all Over the place I'm typing it and adding things in on my phone ?

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Romantically everything seems to be moving pretty fast (which is perfectly fine with me). LJK is killing it in his role but honestly if I was Su I would be running in the opposite direction (no matter how pretty he is). It'd take more than a few weeks in the past for me to not get freaked out about running into a man covered in blood in the middle of the night (who just threatened to kill me for the millionth time a couple days ago) and who is also in the middle of throwing rocks around in a rage...but maybe Su has just watched a lot more k-dramas than me and knows the drill now? Pretty, tortured, misunderstood prince is not dangerous; he just needs someone to love him.

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Dear HeadsNo2:

I don't think we, your viewers, mind if you skip writing Queen Sinmyeongsunseong's name and quote her what ever you like to call her from now on. I can see the pain of quoting her titled name every time you need to write her name!! Her name is just way too long!! I am not even sure if I did copy her name right! Your recapping is great and fast so you are entitled to quote the evil queen( Sorry I refuse to quote her real name) whatever you wish to call her. Great job as always.

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Queen S?
Queen Sin?
Sin Queen?
Queen SMS?

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Evil Queen?

But you had me at Queen SMS.

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Hahahahahaha +100 to Queen SMS!!!!

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LOL Queen SMS. This made my day.

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Queen SMH

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LOL Queen SMS hahahahahaha good one

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I vote this for beans of wisdom this week kekekeke

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Queen SMS HAHAHAHAHA

Here sms is what we used to call text messages so is even funnier :P

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But she's called Queen Yoo in DF sub.

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I'm considering to use her name as my wifi password

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Brilliant idea.

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Awesome idea..

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Queen Pain

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i just noticed today, why is IU's face so flat, it's distracting and she looks more like a servant girl

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I consider your comment hating because it's irrelevant. If you don't like her. Stop watching and reading recaps. Please.

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i like kang ha neul but IU always ruin the scenes they have together .. i like her emotional acting but her face is just so flat when they shoot her side view, it’s jarring

**oops, posted twice.. forgot to reply back to you during my 1st attempting

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After seeing freaking 18 episodes of UF (sorry for swearing, my frustration is at my own self), I rather have flat-faced but emotional-acting IU than 'perfect actress visuals' but wooden Suzy.

I learned this from hard experience, no visuals can save a lack of expression.

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IU not even that good at acting tho
don't tell me that scene w/ lee jun ki on mountain was passable acting? when she was making all kinds of stupid faces

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This just reflects your own insecurity. Instead of hating on other people, maybe you should work on yourself :)

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i don't have flat face
okay?

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Woah...having a flat face is more suited for a serving girl? That's kinda mean and insulting towards serving girls....

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i mean to say that her face is flat and her overall face look like a servant girl.. i think is what people call "peasant"??

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Wow. If you are trying to explain yourself then this attempt is even worse than your texts before!
That is so narrow-minded from you!
Exactly such thinking 1000 years ago cast out people with defects or scars (like So) or not beautiful enough from the society!
You can team up with Evil Queen!

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i like kang ha neul but IU always ruin the scenes they have together .. i like her emotional acting but her face is just so flat when they shoot her side view, it's jarring

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Why not say that it's KHN who has features that are far too large in profile? LOLOL

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Lol. Good point.

But seriously, placing someone in a certain zone of the social hierarchy bubble is plain and straight discrimination. That's a really low level. We were born the way we were and that isn't something that should determine our status.

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People say that about darker-skinned people in my country, even if a girl is pretty but has dark skin or a certain type of features they say 'she looks like a servant girl' to put her down. It's wrong.

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my bad, i don't mean servant girls irl, i never seen one irl??
i'm talking about in dramas, the one who attends royalty, are they called maids or servant girls? idk

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This is just hating, IU might have a flat face but your heart must be ugly, that you make comments like this.

It's not a problem to criticise her acting but pointlessly saying this about her face and making comments about 'servant girl' etc is nasty.

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I didn't mean to be so harsh with my comment as it sounded, but it's unkind to say things about the kind of features you think belong on serving girls.

People say that kind of thing in my country too only instead of a flat face they say anyone with a dark skin has the look of a servant, and its not right to say things like that. And anyway even royal families don't have such great faces after they go around marrying their cousins and what not like in Europe, there is a high chance the servicegirl looks better.

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Well said @pigsnout.
Don't pay attention to @eh

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i mean, her face is suitable to play servant girls in sageuk dramas, she has the face of a supporting lead rather than main

i'm pretty sure servant girls irl are prettier than IU

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well, Dong Yi started off as a water maid, so maybe don't dig yourself in deeper with every comment.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again Lee Joon-gi is perfection. In all his scenes with Queen Simsomething, you can clearly see the interplay of emotions on his face. Hopeful at first then disappointment, hurt and pain. I want to give him a hug and a good 'ole cup of hot chocolate with marshmallows on top.

Kang Ha Neul 'tho. That smolder, whew! *fans self* I think I'd better take that cold shower too. Haha...?

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Yes! Have you ever seen an actor on scene whose acting is so good that it's distracting?? LJK is like that for me. I get distracted because I'm in awe and in my mind I'm constantly thinking how good of an actor he is that I forget what's happening in the scene and forget to read the subtitles.

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Your comment somewhat made me sad. To admit that he is a fantastic actor with wide range of emotions and even better, able to emote that interplay of emotions and delivery so much in one single scene yet he is not likely going to get any recognition for his superb acting judging that this drama receiving low ratings.
I mean, how silly is the Korean awards system? There's a lot of movies I never heard of but true masterful acting got rewarded in acclaimed events like Oscar. Did anyone even ever watched "Nebraska" ? and yet Bruce Dern received so much recognition for his outstanding performance.

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I know, the ratings make me sad as well and I mentioned this in one of my previous comments but someone commented saying it's getting tons of international recognition which is fantastic!
And yes, I went to LJK's profile and it seems like he hasn't gotten any significant awards? I'm shocked because I personally think he's one of the best actors I've personally seen.

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He got a Top Excellence award for Iljimae but he has better dramas and roles that never got awards :(

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@pigsnout
This guy deserves so many more along with that one! I really hope he gets recognized this time around.

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*good things about this episode!

The first scenes with Wang So and Evil Queen were so sad and chilling at the same time. Like everyone, I would like some more insight into why Queen Seenmysanitylately hates So the way she does...from her own lips I want to know why she's so terrible. And my God, each time I think LJK could not impress me more he always raises the bar! I went from being scared that he'd finally gone really crazy to wanting to wanting to hug him and feed him a good dinner and then wanting to go to war against the Kang clan on his behalf.

I totally got why he would rage against the prayer stones and kudos to Hae Su and her will of steel for confronting him when he was like that. I did love that they are showing Hae Su and Wang So interacting at Wang So's worst...the future relationship becomes much more realistic this way.

KHN totally blew me away with this acting and I admit it, his looks hehe. If I ever suffered from SLS this would be it!

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Thanks for the recap, Lollypip! I agree with the more princes the merrier. I have this huge grin on my face during all of their scenes.

As everyone seems to be settling down in their roles, I really feel the casting director did a great job.
The soulful, lonely 8 who endures his marriage because? We don't know, while falling for the freshest thing ever in Goreyo.
Everything about him is upright, from his posture to his patient acceptance of 4. It is awesome that his love for Su is coming out of nowhere and he doesn't seem to care about appearances.
The violent, lonely 4 who has so separated himself from ever single person, but really does want to be one of the boys. It is seriously heartbreaking. I like that Su's failure to run away impresses him because she is brave, not spunky.
Jisoo seems to have found the "not quite a man" vibe he does better than anyone. I can't wait for his future scenes as 14 becomes one.
I haven't seen Eun act beore, but he is freaking aDORable with the toys.

What is becoming clearer, and hopefully even moreso in future eps is how damned dangerous this court is.The whipping scene showed how helpless even 8 felt to stop it. Part of the fish out of water is Su's lack of fear for speaking out, and sticking up for people. BBJX showed the cut-throat nature of the court by how the servants were treated. It scared the hell out of me. I need that to be more pronounced so we appreciate the choppy waters she finds herself in, and how savvy she will have to be to navigate the politics so safely.

LJK has this commanding not give a fleep aura as 4 that I love about that character. He gives Su no choice, she IS his woman, and I really feel he means it. I can't wait to watch her try to resist him!

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*Slaps self. HEADS, thanks, HEADs!!!

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The one and only! I was supposed to have been recapping this since last week, but javabeans was kind enough to step in when I had a family death to deal with. Happy to be on sageuk again!

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So happy to have you on one, too. Not as much realism as Tree, but slightly (only slightly) more than Jin. :)

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My sympathies, Heads.

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JOMOOOOOO!!!! Yay!!!! Wait, lemme put on my (quartered) happy face mask, latch my face onto your screen (can you see my dilated pupils, jomo?) - wait, hold on a sec, let me just press closer, closer...ok, that's perfect, half my forehead's missing yessss!! and freeze frame...WELCOME BACK, JOMO!!!!

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The best part of Eun+toys is Su's stone-cold stank face that she doesn't even bother to hide.

I'm glad to see Ji-soo hit his stride a little, in that scene with Lee Jun-ki. He needs more scenes with people who aren't Beakhyun.

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I really liked Head's recap. Thank you (especially for the speed) :D

I agree with a lot of the analysis. I'm enjoying this drama immensely but only on surface level. The character interactions are fun and I'm enjoying all the different layers to the characters - I especially liked the scene where Jung insults So to his face, only to defend So's actions seconds later in front of their mother. They all seem to be layered. However what the show lacks is build-up. The writer seems to anxious to give us the love triangle that she's forgoing the relationship development. I don't understand why Su is not afraid of So and likewise, I don't understand why So finds Su endearing when she seems to be pretty thoughtless... And then did Wook's feeling just development after our modern day Su took place or was there something before that? Why is he so sweet to his wife if there is no love there? Is he just a nice guy or is this a political marriage. -.-;;

Basically I need to stop thinking when I watch this drama. lol. Otherwise it's very likable. Kang Haneul, Lee Junki, and even IU - they're all so pleasant to watch :)

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>> I’m enjoying this drama immensely but only on surface level.<<

oh you take the words out of my mouth,
I do enjoy it, but when I write about it, I noticed more thing that makes me don't believe the story,
like why?

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I'm with you on enjoying it on the surface level. It's my version of breezy-watch. And watching LJK killing it with his role is such a pleasure.

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Su and Eun were so cute this episode! I loved how irritated she was at his childishness, then later warmed up to his innocence. And he was just starry-eyed throughout and got her a bunch of things to play with and was sad because she was. Aww. Despite all the flack he's been getting, I thought Baekhyun was good in the scene, I'm enjoying his performance.

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Honestly Baek Hyun and Ji Soo are much better in scenes where they are with other people and not together. Both are cute in scenes with IU and Ji Soo was good in his scene with Lee Jun Ki.

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One last thing though, he's 13th in love with 4th too? Lol they exchanged strange looks today after he rescued Hae Soo from that witchy sister of his. He was like next to him as everybody was leaving. And I remember when 13th greeted him in epi 2 I think, same strange looks. Were they close and just pretending they aren't?

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Also, I'm a sucker for "no one belongs to anyone" sort of narratives so I actually swooned harder at IU saying that than Junki saying she's his, lol. I loved that she said "you or anyone" so it wasn't a rejection of him as a potential romantic partner, but a rejection that anyone could ever have any kind of ownership over her.

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I'd also like to think that it's way to big budget for them to cut episodes from, given the investments from YG and NBC Universal. There's also its pre-production status, which has resulted in simultaneous airings internationally (if anything, this drama was probably geared toward international viwers rather than Korean ones). China especially has a vested interest in this, given that it's a remake of their popular novel/drama, and it seems to be immensely popular there. So I don't think SBS has a choice but to finish the series, whether they want to or not...

Let's pray I'm right though.

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I'm so shocked at the ratings :(

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I never checked ratings before but since it became a stubborn topic nowadays it made me care about it but then, Oh Hae Young, DOTS, Doctors and W have good ratings but i ended up not liking it.

I'll just go back to what i used to do before. I will based it on 1.) The actors that i liked. Because somehow, a drama is an easy watch if you liked the people in it. 2.) Reviews/Recommendation.

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@endo

I know I shouldn't care either, but I just feel bad for the actors. I'm going to continue to watch the drama regardless what the rating are.

Thank God somebody agreed with me, Doctors was so bland and DOTS was okay. I dropped Doctors after a few episodes

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Yeah broadcasting station usually cut dramas if ratings are bad but since Moon Lovers are pre produced that won't happen. I just feel bad for the actors you know esp LJK he obviously shines

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Isnt this a pre-made drama?? As in everything is filmed and edited already (similar to DOTS and many others that follow suit)..

Anyway this drama is hot in china.. I guess SBS is happy with its overseas share

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It's KBS that likes to cut dramas, I think SBS won't do that. Anyway how can they, pre-filming means they took money for 20 episodes. So they have to have 20 episodes.

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Doubt they even can,the drama is already pre-produced meaning it's finished and sold off aside from making them pay even more if they ahd teh crazy idea to cut down,like all the actors involved more likely have other appointments now aside from teh crew,book places etc...A good thing about pre-produced dramas for me at least is the fear of cutting down is very low...Like it or not SBS will have to walk along the 21 episodes together

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I'm hooked! Holy, I've no words to describe lee jun ki acting prowess! He is perfection ?

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I'm a bit sad the ratings keep falling because i want lee jun ki to have that 20%+ drama. I do hope they dont continue to dip tho, that would be really unfortunate. At least the drama seems really popular in china?

Personally im enjoying the hell out of this drama, even with all the annoying close up face shots and modern music (pls fix this pd nim) I do think so and hae soo warmed up to each other rather abruptly but that just means they are closer to falling in love and im not someone who would ever complain about more romance. I'm practically on the edge of my seat in anticipation. wang so and hae soo are gonna fall in love and its gonna fuck them both up so much. Oh man yall are gonna go from hating the sight of each other to red hot pining im so god damn GAME.

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- He’s like a little boy coming to his mother for approval, only this little boy killed a bunch of people and burned a temple down.

- Oh, Su. Not the brightest hanbok in the wardrobe, is she.

- all that’s about to become as dead a horse to beat as the one So cut down in the first episode

- Or maybe nothing says “I love you, Mom” like a pile of burned corpses.

HAHAHAHA! Heads is back, and she's on fire.

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*sits back and relaxes (with popcorn) in anticipation of Heads recaps to come*

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Yeah, she's back all right. I actually guffawed at the part about this little boy burning down a temple, even though I was all sadface/borderline-crying during the scene all 'nooooo stop hurting him!!!!'

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Omg @pogo its been 10 years since I heard and/or read someone use the word "guffawed" in a sentence. That made my day.

Dramabeans...never failing to set the english language straight. #proudbeanie

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I didn't realize I missed her recaps so much until I read this one. :D

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*Kang Ha Neul as Wook*

Me: My heart... I am wavering...

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I really can't understand why the rating were low today, this episode was great, well act by the everyone specially the scene between So and the Queen mother, I see angst coming up but I'm ready. Someone mentioned if we are going to see LJK wearing the mask for almost 17 episodes I don't think so due to the trailers as we see Soo taking So mask at some point and he is not wearing the mask on few other scenes.

I think the Queen hate So because he is a reminder of how she didn't had the power to keep the King to marry another women, that in a moment of craziness she lost her control and behaved like a crazy lunatic willing to kill her son. The scar on So face is a constant reminder of that night. For I can understand no one knows in the place that she is the one who scared So but I could be wrong.

Hope that korean citizens give a chance to this drama, not really bad, it started a little weak in terms of the story and some of the acting but now eveything is coming together and I'm in for tomorrow's episode and the next...

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agree with your take on the queen's hate towards wang so. and i think i am in the minority or could be it is only me that doesn't care to watch So with that mask for nother 17 episodes. it is not distracting at all.

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Yeah. I think I'm dropping this drama. It just feels so much like a...a drama. I know it's an absurd complaint because it IS a drama but the authenticity is lacking. It feels like I'm watching a drama instead of being immersed in the story completely. I don't feel connected with the characters. I know people hate comparisons but I'm gonna do it anyway since it's inevitable. For example, when I'm watching Moonlight I don't see Bogum and Yoojung, but instead I see the crown prince and Raon connecting. But with this I just see IU acting. It's honestly distracting. I don't know if it's the directing, scriptwriting, or acting but I'm just...NOT feeling it. Good run though. Usually I drop dramas in the 2nd episode. I tried.

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Aww it's sad to see someone drop the show but thanks for trying it at the very least. O3O

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I think these comparisons have shown me how different strokes for different folks is really a thing. With Moonlight I always feel like I and the actors are limited by their story. The moment something happens and there is a set up, I already know how it will turn out and I'm just watching the characters (as great as they are) slowly get there. Like the moment they had Bogum hold the auditions for the dance sequence, I already knew what would happen by the end. Or when Jinyoung put that woman's dress on Yoojung, I could clearly predict the next three scenes. In other words, I can see the strings, which stops me from completely engaging with the characters and keeps reminding me they're characters. They're far too predictable. With Scarlet Heart, I feel like they behave more like people (even though I'll completely admit it feels staged sometimes), that you can't completely predict their actions, even when you know them, because people adapt to situations and they're not entirely knowable. Like Jung, for instance, I loved that he had the fight with So, refused to acknowledge his contribution in saving him, but then turned around and defended him to their mother. Or like I expected Hae Soo to immediately agree to take the lunch to So, as she had seen him at his lowest point the night before and was feeling compassionate-- but instead she had no initial inclination whatsoever, and was basically coerced into it. I'm always unsure of Wook's motivations, and was completely surprised by his breakdown, which made it powerful for me. I feel like interactions shape characters more than the pre-set characters shaping the interactions, which I enjoy. Anyway, it's interesting! I can completely understand that you and lots of others have a completely different point of view on this, and it doesn't work for you!

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What is interesting to me is that some people say SH is a typical sageuk, but I've never seen a sageuk before so I'm unfamiliar with conventions, and it's all new and fascinating and atypical to me. Moonlight, despite also being a sageuk, and despite me being equally unaware of convention as I am in the case of SH, is still familiar to me, and I can still predict the scenes. Maybe that's what's making the difference for me.

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Scarlet Heart is different from other sageuks. The set-up and relationships between characters are unique to me. I like the examples you used to explain the unpredictability in the actions of the characters. Also, it's a drama where there is no guarantee for a happy ending. It could be ambiguous, sad, tragic, or happy for all I know. The unknown/unpredictability factor (and LJK!) makes it all the more exciting to tune in each week!

(I don't watch Moonlight but am pretty sure it's a cute drama that is going to end cute and happy, like a rom-com.)

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I finally understand the reason why the director specifically asked LJK to lose some weight. He looks very, very captivating in his close-up shots. I honestly cannot take my eyes off screen. His jawline is clearly outlined. We already know that he has elvish features but looking that weight really highlights that. I know that he is pretty and this may sound redundant but for emphasis, he is really, truly, out-of-this world pretty.

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#FanGirlingAtItsFinest

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I totally agree with u. I always like to think myself of a realistic drama fans, i usually avoid fangirling..but idk why Lee joon gi brings out the fangirling in me..i think you are right..he has out-of-the-world beauty..and his AMAZING acting wont help ease my fangirling either

I'm just sad that the rating is low, Lee joon gi really deserve a high-rating drama. He was REALLY GOOD. Why can't the Korean viewers see this?

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+100000000000000000
I admit my sin - I'm dying when LJK acts So - he looks & acts so good and emotions !!!!!!!

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Same, he just brings it out in me in a way no one else quite does #Fangirl4Lyf

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Couldn't agree more. I could die if he leans in to look at me.

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LOL..we're setting some pretty grand standards for ourselves in terms of men.Almost feel like singing 'Where do we go now . oh.oh (sweet child)'

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And the best part is, his incredible beauty comes hand-in-hand with equally incredible, heartfelt, 120-percent-all-in I-will-kill-you-all-with-my-eyes great acting.

I mean, I can fangirl over his beauty but what REALLY puts me over the edge and ensures no one else will ever take his place in my heart, is his performances. It's like he doesn't even register that his once-in-a-generation kind of good looks would get him off the hook for less-than-great acting, he just puts his heart and soul into his roles anyway.

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So true!
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"I mean, I can fangirl over his beauty but what REALLY puts me over the edge and ensures no one else will ever take his place in my heart, is his performances. It’s like he doesn’t even register that his once-in-a-generation kind of good looks would get him off the hook for less-than-great acting, he just puts his heart and soul into his roles anyway."

Yes, no other actor is ever going to LJK's place in my heart. I have fangirled for a couple of other actors but no one comes close to LJK!

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Oh, me too. no one ever been able to replace lee jun ki in my heart. i might forget about him if he has no dramas and praising highly of other actors but once he is back, i am always sure 100% that he has always stays as no.1 in my list of great actors. not even the talented joo won, incredible ji sung and mind-blowing performance of jang hyuk can dethroned lee jun ki. lee jun ki is superbly great at acting.

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We are his true fans!! Haha

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It also gives #4 So the appearance attributed to Cassius by Julius Caesar in the Bard's play of the same name.

Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look.
He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous.

-- Act 1, Scene 2, line 195
http://nfs.sparknotes.com/juliuscaesar/page_22.html

That is one famished wolf dog... with years of brooding under his belt...

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I get all the buzz now..finally caught into the lee jun ki net...Also you're right about that jaw line..I watched the last ep in my phone and that jaw is all I saw.Also his voice sounds out of the world too right...that just melts.Finally not understanding Hangul doesn't matter..as I can keep listening to his voice. I keep looking forward to Mondays now.

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