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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 4

Feelings start to get murky as our heroine becomes more and more a part of our princes’ everyday lives, and though she may not always have the best solutions, at least she’s always willing to try. And while this hour has its dark moments, it seems like the show is willing to reveal its softer underbelly, which goes a long way toward helping to endear it to us. Angsty princes covered in blood are all well and good, but angsty, vulnerable princes with a soft spot for a certain someone are even better. The more princes, the merrier.

 
EPISODE 4 RECAP

So stalks into his mother’s room, his sword still dripping wet with the blood of the renounced monks he just killed en masse. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong wakes with a start to see her unloved son looking so dangerous, even as he steps forward with a smile.

But he’s not there to menace her—just the opposite, actually. “Do you know what I’ve done for you, Mother?” he asks, still smiling. He’s made it so that no one can come after her, and erased all traces of her wrongdoing. He’s like a little boy coming to his mother for approval, only this little boy killed a bunch of people and burned a temple down.

The queen slowly realizes what he’s done, but shatters So’s expectations when she asks him if he thought she’d commend him for what he did. “You’re like a beast,” she adds, and the smile instantly dies on So’s face.

“I did it for you, Mother,” he begins again, unsure, but she takes offense to his almost pleading use of the word “Mother.” She tells him that hearing that word come from his lips makes her skin crawl, and orders him to leave.

A broken-hearted So can’t help but wonder why his mother cares so little for him, only to be coldly interrupted by the queen, who says he’s not her son, but rather the son of the Shinju Kang clan. I doubt she means literally, but there’s certainly no better way of renouncing blood ties than that.

With tears in his eyes, So asks her if she turned her back on him because of his face. That’s why she sent him to be adopted, he knows, and in his rage, he breaks one of her vases as he collapses to the ground. As tears roll down his cheeks, he tells her of the horrid life he led with the Shinju Kang clan, and how he killed all the monks and burned the temple. The mother who adopted him was cruel and likely insane, and he was frequently left in a locked room for days in a row without food or water.

“What of it?” his mother interrupts, as coldhearted as ever. So’s face twitches and contorts in pain as she identifies with his adoptive mother for treating him the way she did—a mother only loves a son who makes her proud, after all, and So was nothing but a disgraceful burden to her. That’s why she sent him away.

After getting to his feet, So smiles a rueful smile. “You will remember this day. You may have abandoned me, Mother… but I shall not leave. I ask that you will only see me.” His mother denies his words, afraid that they may come true, but he staggers out, heedless.

He happens upon the heaps of prayer stones stacked by mothers for their children, and in his rage, he knocks one over. Su rushes forward to stop him, but he roughly shoves her off. He laughs maniacally when she notices the blood left on her hands from their brief tussle, and further shocks her by adding, “Yes, it’s the blood of those I killed today!”

So denounces the prayer stones, crying out that his mother shouldn’t come here to pray, but should go to him to beg instead. Su holds him back, and gets his attention only when she says he’s injured. She means his hand, but he grabs her by the collar and warns her, “I told you, I killed people!”

He seems taken aback when she doesn’t respond with fear, but understanding. She asks him to tell her about what he did and why in a calm voice, which causes him to loosen his grasp. Confronted, he shakes as he tells her to go, but she claims to understand him.

She knows that the times he lives in required him to wield a sword at a young age, and knows just as well that he had to kill in order to live. “But what can you do?” she asks. Reiterating that she understands him, she adds, “You must be feeling so miserable right now. I think I can relate.” She leaves him to grieve by the prayer stones.

The elder princes give King Taejo their account of the assassination attempt from the night before, and their attempts to find the culprits. No one knows yet that it was So who burned down the temple, but they do know that the temple full of monk-assassins belonged to Queen Sinmyeongsunseong.

Taejo asks the queen directly if she’s responsible for the assassins, which she denies. Third prince Yo jumps in to take responsibility for his mother, but it soon turns into a blame/defense game, even as So steps up to admit to killing the monks and burning the temple. But before the blame can shift to him, eighth prince Wook steps up (or kneels) to defend So’s actions—he wanted to erase any evidence that could be used to frame the “innocent” queen.

So claims Wook’s statement to be true, and needless to say, the queen looks decidedly unhappy with So’s attempt to protect her.

When Lady Hae finds the servants arguing over who gets the unwanted task of delivering So his meal, the responsibility falls to an unwilling Su, who has to climb her way up a mountain to reach him. He stiffens a bit to see her, likely uncomfortable after his show of emotion yesterday, and tells her to just leave the food.

She tries to comply, but can’t help herself from sitting back down—she has to take the empty plates back anyway. He warns her against saying anything about what she saw yesterday, and she’s quick to remind him that she has better things to do than go around talking about him.

Noticing that he’s eating within perfect vantage point of the palace, Su comments on the palace being his future home. So doesn’t appreciate the warm sentiment, because in order for it to be home, he’d have to have a family. But his mention of that sparks Su’s interest, as she turns around to ask him why he went on such a rampage yesterday.

He’s shocked by her boldness as well as her closeness, and suddenly blusters a question of his own: How did she get into the royal bath that day, anyway? Su’s quick to avoid that question, which means that So gets a free pass on answering hers.

So seems to have warmed up to Su as they walk back from the mountain, and finds her lack of grace amusing. He reaches out to take her burden from her, but she’s oblivious, and he retracts his hand before she can realize he even offered it. He can’t help but laugh just a little (but not like a crazy person this time).

Wook and Su stand vigil by the ill Lady Hae’s bedside that night. She sends Su away to speak to her husband alone, but Su overhears Lady Hae tell her husband to take a second wife. Lady Hae knows that she’s too ill to perform her duties as a wife, and entreats her husband to marry another girl or divorce her—only then can she die peacefully.

Even though Wook refuses, Lady Hae repeats her request. Then she hesitates as she adds, “I know that you don’t… love me.” Tears form in her eyes as well as his, but it seems a truth they both know all too well.

Errant tenth prince Eun comes upon Su brooding, and brings her a host of toys to play with, claiming he just bought everything since he didn’t know what she would like. Aww. She calls him out for playing with such things at his age, and his forlorn reaction is adorable.

Despite her less than friendly reception, Eun still wants to do whatever he can to help lift her spirits—he’s a prince, after all. “Are you married?” she asks, clearly wanting some insight into the life of a married prince like Wook. But he takes it as her asking about his availability and gets hopelessly excited as he replies, “Not yet.” Hah.

He thinks he’s being interviewed for his suitability as a husband, so when Su asks if he’d take another wife should his become ill, he puffs his chest out as he replies that he’d never do such a thing. Su sighs that it would be nice if everyone was just like him, leaving Eun to gleefully mull over how fast she’s moving.

Su gives Chae-ryung instructions to hide the hairpin So left behind in a place where he’s not likely to find it right away (so he’ll think he just misplaced it on his own), but things look bad for the slave girl when Princess Yeonhwa walks in to find her rummaging around the prince’s things with a seemingly stolen hairpin in her hand.

Chae-ryung gets whipped for stealing, but Su comes to her defense, claiming that she told Chae-ryung to put it in the prince’s quarters. Princess Yeonhwa isn’t inclined to take her word for it, and Wook comes by just as Su tells the princess to whip her instead.

The princess is all too happy to comply, and the princes watch as Yeonhwa ties Su up and strikes her twice. But before any of the princes can interfere, it’s actually So who comes to the rescue. Su turns around to meet his gaze, and he replies to Yeonhwa’s questions about who Su is to him by telling his half-sister, “She belongs to me.”

Su looks at him unblinkingly, and he reiterates his statement, sending a small smile her way. Princess Yeonhwa is defeated when Eun comes to Su’s defense, as well as Wook. But the look she sends Su’s way as she and Chae-ryung go looks positively murderous. (Did Chae-ryung and Prince Won share a moment with that glance?)

Of course, Yo is the only prince to commend Princess Yeonhwa for doing the right thing, since twisted minds think alike. So doesn’t leave without making Yeonhwa give the hairpin back, though she quips that it’s unlike him to stop her from doing anything. “You don’t have feelings for her, do you?” she asks, and So’s restrained answer doesn’t seem to help ease her mind.

Wook stops So before he can leave to set him straight on one thing: Nothing in this place belongs to him. Not his sister Yeonhwa, or his wife’s cousin, Su. He warns his half-brother against behaving carelessly again when it comes to his people.

Su cries in bed that night, and Wook stays respectfully outside her door as he announces that he’s brought her medicine. He hopes that she’ll be able to forget what happened today too, which causes her to jump out of bed to see him face-to-face. He hands her the box of medicine personally, and she apologizes for pretending to be asleep—she was just embarrassed to see him.

Wook smiles knowingly as he tells her he already knew. It’s not the pain that bothers her, she says, but the disrespect. She asks if Goryeo really is the kind of place where someone can be tied up and beaten like an animal, and Wook can only reach out a hand to comfort her. “I’m sorry I could not stop it. But, I promise you this: No one will ever be able to treat you in such a way again. Trust me.”

It’s enough to make Su waver, and she forces herself to think of Lady Hae in order to break the moment.

Sometime later, Su seems to just be minding her own business as she paces, but when she turns around, she bumps right into So. She confronts him over the whole “She belongs to me” business, which only causes an amused So to ask her if she doesn’t know how to just say “Thank you.”

Su’s ready to argue still, going on about how he always wanted to kill her but now is all about saving her, until she finally murmurs a simple “Thank you.” When asked about where she found the hairpin, she admits she found it in the bath, but didn’t say anything because he was so adamant about her saying nothing about seeing the scarred side of his face. Well, she did keep her promise.

“Are you not scared of me?” So asks wonderingly, noting how she’s so quick to talk back to him. She says she’s still wary around him, but isn’t scared of him anymore. Still, she won’t have him going around saying she belongs to him either—she’s not a thing to be owned.

Finding this amusing, So leans in until she’s having to lean backward to keep some distance between them. “Then… should I call you ‘my person?'” he asks, which gets a stutteringly uncomfortable response from Su, which serves to keep him entertained.

Fourteenth prince Jung is back to fighting in the market while disguised as a commoner, but he’s dragged away by some shady men when his true identity is discovered. Upon seeing him, Su sends Chae-ryung to get help while she pursues them, catching So’s eye in the process.

The men drag the prince to a bamboo forest, where their leader shows Jung the stump of a right arm he has, which he claims was his fault. He won in a fight against Jung, which prompted the queen to punish him by having his arm chopped off, something Jung had no knowledge of.

The leader plans on returning the favor by ridding Jung of his arm, but just before he strikes, Su comes running and screaming, brandishing nothing but a branch. Oh, Su. Not the brightest hanbok in the wardrobe, is she.

At least the diversion is enough for Jung to free himself, and her very unladylike threats do take the men by surprise.

Meanwhile, Princess Yeonhwa excitedly announces that Lady Hae has requested a divorce from Wook in front of their mother, Queen Sinjeong. Wook isn’t pleased with her outburst, despite Yeonhwa seeing this as an opportunity for her brother to marry advantageously. At least the queen recognizes the good that Lady Hae brought to their family, and seems disinclined to throw her daughter-in-law away so easily.

They’re interrupted when Chae-ryung brings news of Su, causing Wook to instantly jump to his feet.

With his back to Su’s in the forest, Jung apologizes for getting her involved. Her advice is for them to make a run for it, which doesn’t jive with Jung’s pride, and gets them embroiled in an actual fight. Jung curls himself around Su in order to protect her from the blows as he promises to protect her, causing Su to hilariously wonder, “Who’s saving who?”

But then it’s Wook to the rescue, and he’s surprisingly adept at throwing grown men far out of his way. It’s enough to cause the others to fall back as he checks in on a relieved Jung and Su, moments before the men resume their attack.

Wook is vastly outnumbered, but even so, he’s much faster and stronger than his opponents. It’s only when more men materialize out of the bamboo that he begins to look worried, but they all disperse when they see the infamous So, the dog-wolf, ride up.

Even though So asks Jung if he’s hurt, Jung would rather not acknowledge So’s contribution to saving his arm, instead thanking Wook. (Wook, for his part, did try to get him to thank So.) Jung thanks Su as well, promising to treat her life as though it were his own from now on… only for Su to pat him on the back and talk to him like a doting older sister.

Jung is surprisingly fine with that, and even goes so far as to call Su “Hae Su Nooeui,” an archaic form of “noona.” Su gets so caught up in the moment that she gives Jung a good ol’ “Fighting!”, and it’s adorable to see him try to wrap his mind around such a strange word.

Wook won’t slow down for Su on their way home, causing her to wonder if he’s angry. She gets him to stop by feigning pain in her leg, but he grabs her by her shoulders and forces her to face him. Finally, he says, “I thought I had lost you. I thought… I wouldn’t be able to see you again. I was scared.” Awwwww! Stahp it, you guys.

He starts leaning in as though to kiss her… but the moment is broken by the search party out to find them, which includes Lady Hae. Wook just walks away from all of them. At least all the showers in Goryeo were cold, right?

So takes Jung to task for not taking responsibility for his actions, which caused a man to lose his arm. Jung doesn’t take kindly to being lectured by his older brother, and pushes all the most hurtful buttons So has, even ending his tirade by repeating what third prince Yo said about being embarrassed to have come from the same womb as So. (Yo, So, and Jung are all direct brothers.)

Jung gets a slap across the face for that remark, which is right when Queen Sinmyeongsunseong comes in. She shoves So away to tend to the son she actually loves, and Jung suddenly changes his stripes to defend his brother, claiming that he saved his life earlier. Mommy Dearest couldn’t care less.

She orders So out only after she makes him swear not to go near Jung again, and as he brushes past his younger brother, he makes a remark about him living behind their mother’s skirts. Burn. The familial strife is enough to bring angry tears to Jung’s eyes, even as the queen fawns over him worriedly.

Wook gallops his horse through the forest, coming to rest at a secluded spot. There, he struggles with his feelings, while Su does the same from her bed. So does some sorting out of his own while rearranging the prayer stones he’d thrown around during his tirade, though of course, his thoughts are of his mother.

Crown Prince Mu takes So to the king, and makes an entreaty for So to live in the palace as one of his people. Astronomer Choi helps out by saying he saw the fourth prince’s star rising over the palace, but it’s of no use when the king calls So out on account of his mother, who tried to kill the crown prince. And his brother, Yo, who wants to be the crown prince. Sharp king.

So claims to share none of his family’s aspirations, but when he’s asked about the household he was adopted into, he grits out that he was never treated as a son—he was a hostage, and his father knew this well. He pledges his fealty to his father and the crown prince, saying he’ll live as a loyal subject from here on out.

After hearing Astronomer Choi’s pro-So advice, King Taejo relents, and announces that from this day forward, So will live in the palace.

It’s a much more somber affair in Wook’s home during his dinner with his wife, and he’s not doing the best job hiding his inner turmoil from her. Lady Hae invites Su to sit down with them to eat, and despite the awkwardness, Su has no choice but to acquiesce.

Wook is short with his words at the table while Lady Hae just expresses her concern for her cousin. She wants Su to take up more womanly and safe ways to spend her time, like needlework. I feel like that’s as close to putting a helmet on Su as she can get.

When Su eventually leaves, she finds So messing with the prayer stones outside and stops him, thinking that he’s out to destroy them again. She’s surprised to hear that he’s rebuilding what he tore down, but even more surprised when he tells her that he’ll be moving into the palace. She’ll be seeing a lot less of him now.

Su gives him some parting words of advice on how to comport himself around others like she’s some sort of expert on the matter, but it’s all well-meaning. She hopes that he’ll eat and sleep well, and her concern softens his expression considerably.

She asks him why he’s looking at her like that, and he replies that it’s because he remembered how she’s not afraid of him. “I’m afraid of myself, not you,” she sighs. At least she’s quick to distract herself when she looks up at the stars, noting how she can see so many in Goryeo.

Of course, So doesn’t know what she means by that, but they’re both soon distracted by the falling snow. Su smiles innocently up at the sky, and So just stares at her. When she catches him, they’re both quick to look away, which, hah.

Wook also watches the falling snow, but So’s got a better vantage point, as he resumes his thoughtful staring at Su.

 
COMMENTS

It’s not a perfect situation to have one corner of the love triangle married, but setting aside that fact (somewhat jokingly, because we all know that this is entertainment and not a reflection of our own social mores, even if what we find entertaining can be a reflection in and of itself, [insert existential disclaimer here], so on and so forth), it’s kinda fun, isn’t it? What’s important in a case like this is for the characters involved not to ignore the fact that there are some majorly forbidden feelings going on, and on that front, it feels like Wook is doing more of the heavy lifting than Su. Though I guess we could just as easily say that she’s not the one blurting out what she really feels to him, so maybe she is doing a better job of this than he is.

Despite Su mentioning the differences she sees in Goryeo versus in her time throughout the episode, it so far hasn’t really felt as though she’s absorbed any of those differences, nor has she seemed to really take in what’s happened to her. It’s a misstep that I think happened early on with her initial reactions to her new world, and while she can comment on how the stars are different in Goryeo and how the treatment’s worse, something about it all just isn’t hitting home for me. I wish I could put my finger on exactly what it is—whether it’s writing, acting, or both—but I’m not sure I’ve actually bought into her character yet. Maybe it’s that she acclimated so quickly, and so we’ve been robbed of most of the fish-out-of-water moments we’d expect from seeing a modern girl thrust into a decidedly un-modern world.

But all that’s about to become as dead a horse to beat as the one So cut down in the first episode, so I’ll just try to remain cautiously optimistic for the time being. The thing is, I want to like Su because I like the characters who like her, and that’s almost enough. And while the main love triangle certainly wins all the brownie points, I’m really enjoying her interactions with the other princes we’ve gotten to spend some individual time with so far. I especially like that while three of those princes think of her romantically, she unknowingly friend-zoned Jung, and the thought of those two sharing future noona/dongsaeng moments is enough to put a smile on anyone’s face.

Eun’s crush on Su is as adorable as it is harmless, and the scene where he brought her a box of toys had me sold. Su’s worldly enough to realize he has a crush on her, but doesn’t seem to think of him coming from that perspective as much when she’s lost in thought. It’s funny to see how the two of them are on completely different pages when they interact, but it’s really endearing that Eun makes a good sounding board for her, however vacant he may sometimes be.

Of course, the unexpected turnaround came from So this hour, who warmed up to Su a lot sooner than I would’ve expected. The scene where she comforted him during his tirade made sense as to why he’d soften toward her, even though it seemed a rather uncharacteristic way for her to act under that sort of pressure. Still, if she can be a source of comfort for So’s tortured soul, I’m all for it. After this episode, he needs whatever comfort he can get.

Even with the intensely well-acted insights we got into So and Queen Sinmyeongsunseong’s relationship, it’s hard to understand exactly why she has so much hatred toward him. He’s not a son born of a concubine that she’s had to just put up with, but her own flesh and blood child born of the king, so what makes him less than her two other sons? I’d like to think that she’s just manifesting her guilt toward scarring his face into hatred, but that may be giving her more credit than she deserves. At least there was a turning point in their relationship this episode, enough to where So will (hopefully) stop seeking her approval. Or maybe nothing says “I love you, Mom” like a pile of burned corpses.

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I'm really liking this drama. I don't get the hate they get even with IU. I find her engaging and charming. I remember during the 1st episode when Hae Soo said that she will treat this like it's her 2nd chance / starting over. So i totally get her reactions no matter how silly.
Lee Jun Ki. He's awesome. You look at him once and you'll never be able to turn away your gaze... unless, there's Kang Ha Neul. Lol
I am really really really loving Kang Ha Neul in this drama. He is dreamy and brainy and decent and kind and miserable and honorable and totally being hot. i just can't.

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"Lee Jun Ki. He’s awesome. You look at him once and you’ll never be able to turn away your gaze… unless, there’s Kang Ha Neul. Lol"

Lol! Exactly.

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I am not drawn to KHN like many others are here. He is good actor but I can't digest him showing affection to Hae Su. Maybe coz I really like his wifes character. It's Goryeo but still he is married. Also, even if we just go by looks, LJK still wins for me.

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*He is a good actor*

*wife's*

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Lee Jun Ki. He’s awesome. You look at him once and you’ll never be able to turn away your gaze… unless, there’s Kang Ha Neul.

Exactly me too.

And Kang. He. Neul.. I saw some clips before went to bed yesterday, and even dreaming about him.

I.am.totally.in.,fangirl. mode. Help me.

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Having to choose between Lee Jun-ki and Kang Na-neul is the best version ever of being caught between a rock and a hard place.

Like I could look at oppa, swoon, and then recover and look at KHN and swoon all over again and just keep alternating till the end of time. Or until I get a head injury lol.

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I will gladly let myself slide into that Valley of Fatal Handsomeness and Lethal-Underwear-Melting Stares

Hahahaha :D

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I agree. I don't usually get 2nd lead sydrome but on this one. I can't even decide! Lol.

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Lol. I mean...I can't even complain. I'll gladly risk eye strain for these two. I stg when they are on screen together, it's like a tennis match, my eyes are always bouncing from one to another and it's such a struggle to decide who to stare at the longest.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME, SHOW, YOU ARE ABOUT TO MAKE ME CROSS EYED!!!

(..although LJK always manages to win. It's the Mane of Glory I tell you. I cannot look away from how pretty his hair is even when it's a mess.)

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Yes. LJK is majestic because of that Mane of Glory. But seriously, the staring and the "sexual tension" acting of Ha Neul always gets me. Lol.

Awww, my poor Noona Heart.

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i'm in minority. I just can't get SLS when LJK is on the screen. And apparently wounded puppies is my thing! I just want to hug him

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This drama is getting better with each episode. I admit I almost dropped this halfway through episode two but glad I stuck to it. I'm sad for the ratings though! Lee Jun Ki is such a brilliant actor he deserves at least a drama with 20% plus ratings, but it doesn't seem this drama will cut it. Moonlight is such a strong competitor (even if I'm happy with their almost 20% ratings). Hopefully his future work will be a hit one day.

I saw Lee Jun Ki on Running Man, he was hilarious haha

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It seems that the first two episodes were really their undoing. That and viewers' opinion on the acting of IU and the some of the younger actors. I hope viewers will come back and check out the recent episodes.

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7% rating in the first episode meant that people did not even check in. So the marketing blitz or hype did not work at all. Can't blame the first 2 episodes for that. And this fall in ratings for the 4th episode makes even less sense given that the 3rd episode was very good. Its really hard to decipher ratings

Its sad though. The show is coming together nicely and i would love to see LJK with a legit ratings hit. The guy deserves it.

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Honestly, 7 percent wasn't a bad number for a first episode - I Hear Your Voice in 2013 premiered to 7.7 percent and then ended up literally tripling that by the end.

Sadly the messy production of the first episode combined with major hype and some negative publicity, appears to have actively turned some viewers off. Dramas these days seem to rely on strong opening episodes to draw viewers in (Beautiful Mind never recovered from its weak/confusing start, while other dramas have kept their first few weeks' ratings despite things going downhill later), and this one mucked up in some crucial ways.

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I agree. Many consider 7% low because they expected that ML would beat its competitor from the get go and would achieve at least low double-digit from its first ep. If Moonlight's and Monster's (Gosh why all the shows starting on Mondays on the big 3 start with M in their names lol?) ratings were much lower, I don't think ML's premier performance would cause such a massive storm of discontentment. The fault is obviously in the post-prod stage, but the disappointment it has caused has some tiny little bit to do with viewers' expectation that it will at least match Doctors or UF too.

There's still a long way to go, so I don't think ML fans need to be too pessimistic.

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I'm pretty shocked at how low the ratings were for this episode and really sad for Lee Jun Ki who definitely deserves better especially after the campy mess that was Scholar Who Walks the Night.

I can't even really make sense of the ratings situation because all the commentary before Moon Lovers aired was that it was going to crush Moonlight. I mean yes, it's a cheesy sangueuk with lots of flower boys for fan service but that's never stopped a Korean audience before. I almost wonder if it's being readily dismissed because its an adaptation of a Chinese drama.

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There's no need to worry about LJK. I mean, he's going to play in Resident Evil.

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I keep wondering what exactly she means when she says she's afraid of herself. Does it just mean that she's realising the effect her bolder actions have for others or is she afraid of changing history or something else entirely?

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I was thinking that she was afraid of her feelings?
And her as a modern women, she's scared that she's falling into that 3rd party role between 8th and her cousin? That while she knows morally it might be wrong of her, but she still is falling for him.

I didn't think she was thinking in a historical context just 'cause (correct me if i'm wrong) she said before that she doesn't know much about goryeo

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She was referring to her infatuation with wook.

Also, in the directors cut they showed her remembering some of the history. So once she gets into the middle of throne fight, i'm guessing we will see her make an effort to remember history .. Right now she doesn't have time to think about that since all these gorgeous princes can;t leave her alone

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I think that's a v. good question, because that comment can almost pass off as a meta comment. In the moment she means that she's scared of her feelings for Wook since, even though they're her feelings, even she can't seem to control them. But at a contextual level, it does mean that she's the wild-card. The princes are almost pre-determined, but her presence there is the wildcard.

Of course, the show has to deal with the grandfather paradox of time-travel, so I'm sure they'll take the route that time-travel narratives usually try and build, that everything that happened, happened. If someone went in the past to change something, that past has already occurred (something like what Harry Potter also deals with). The person from the future doesn't change it, they facilitate it. It kind of puts a question on the linear understanding of time, because if time-travel is possible, then of course everything that is occurring has to occur in the same space-time continuum, because time then becomes as navigable as space.

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hm I watched the director cut version they broadcasted last weekend and it was so much better, especially on So-Su relationship.

The scene where Su came to prayer stones and talked to her mother/herself was actually longer.
Su did not just say she felt fluttered by Wook but also wondered if relationships are both hard in Goryeo and morden times and wished her mother could come and take her home.
And IT WAS SO WHO STOOD BEHIND HER AND HEARD THAT. He confronted her 'what is a mother?' and she answered mother was the one who always comforted and stood by your side no matter what. So raged cause those were feelings he had never experienced, but I think Su's words did touch somewhere deep inside him. And then he advised Su (angrily) that she only had herself to depend on so if she really wanted to live here just live...
It's such a gold moment and explains So-Su interacts in prayer stones this 4th ep. It also showed viewers how Su came closer to So and how So could ease up and become warmer towards her in later eps.
I don't know why they think it's better to cut it out :(

I really love this show and it has so much potential, I'm trying to not care much about ratings but damn the editing and the directing really did not do it justice :(
I hope it were not a preproduced so they could re-edit it but damn...

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Aww dang I haven't seen the updated version.

That So & Su scene seems important in building up their relationship. A lot of people are gonna miss that part. =(

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Thank you for the explanation... I didn't watch the director's cut. I agree with you, it would explain more about So-Su's relationship. *sigh*

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Do you know where one could watch the director's cut with english subtitles??

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@blah,

Thanks for the director's cut play-by-play. I'm scratching my head wondering why that conversation about mothers was not in the scene from the get-go.

Am keeping my fingers crossed that the director's cuts of eps. 1-3 with English subtitles will become available to international viewers.

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Do you know if the directors cut will be subbed? :(

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I'm not sure cause for the most parts they just switched the timeline, editing background music, which makes the first 3 eps more approachable and hints more connection between So and Su. (for example, when So said to Crown Prince Mu that he wanted to live in Songak, the very next scene was Su locked herself in her room fearing the strange world outside and wanted to go home... I think it's a very good editing cause it showed the contrast between these two, one wants to live here meanwhile the other just wants to leave but in the end they would end up being closely intertwined... - sadly in the original ver these two scene had no connection at all)
But that So-Su scene in the prayer stones is the only huge matter though :)

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Oh wow, that actually makes the 4th episode better! Like, I found it a bit of a jump when Su so easily approached an enraged So and he actually talked to her (well angrily expressed feelings but still) but if there is a previous conversation they've had, that makes much more sense!

I am confused, why wasn't that deemed necessary for the original version? I really hope they don't leave stuff like that out!

Thanks for that info. :)

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I'm a bit shock with the drop in ratings. Maybe they will watch the reruns of it during the weekend or watch it online instead. Episode 4 was pretty good. I am surprised since I think the rating for the rerun/director cut version that aired during the weekend was a bit higher than today's episode. I am looking forward to tomorrow's episode though.

I wonder if the change in Haesu's reaction to So might have something to do with the clip they added into the director's cut version over the weekend with Haeso praying over the prayer stones and talking about mothers.

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I thought that the first rerun could have possibly reached out to more viewers and helped raise the ratings for today, but I was super disappointed to see the results.

LJK deserves better ratings than this!

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I thought it would help to so I was surprised to see the results. I hope it gets better from here on out but we shall see..I am hoping for 10% eventually..maybe starting october or the last 4 episodes can get it since by that time Moonlight would be done and Monster ends this later month.

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How does one watch that scene in the director's cut version? I'm assuming it's not subtitled in English. :-( Maybe it's on YouTube?

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I was able to watch it live as it was airing. As for the scene..it's not subbed but I did find it on twitter->
https://twitter.com/Ueana_Kira/status/771951359616835584

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Thank you for sharing!

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Korean audience practically has set their mind that this drama is not worth watching, I guess that's the explanation for the drop in ratings since this episode is actually doing so much better.
I guess we who love it have to settle with the fact that the ratings won't be any better.
Let's just enjoy it and thank goodness that the drama find its fans in international viewers.

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Well that's depressing cause Lee Joon Gi deserves all the ratings ):

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Honestly, the director/production missed an important opportunity to draw in the viewers in with the initial episodes. With Moonlight lready having a head start and being such a strong competitor, it was important that they do an especially good job with the initial episodes. Unfortunately, those missteps cost and the negative feedback cost them dearly.

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I know and that what's frustrates me about the production team for this drama. How could they have screwed up so badly???

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The drop in rating saddened me. In this world of full competition, I hope its rating won't suffer like BM.

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This was a lighter episode, which I appreciated. I do feel, though that this show Indore centered on the princes than it is on Su. She doesn't feel like a main character.

I'm glad, though, that So is softening toward her. As affection-starved as he is, I think it makes sense for his feelings towards her to do a complete 180 so quickly. He may not be in love with her (yet), but he certainly views her quite differently than he did. I'm liking this more and more.

Thanks for the recap!

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Watching this, man the directing sometimes make me laugh when in moments that I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to laugh, just the decision to angle the camera in some frames make me LOL and then a serious scene just turns ridiculous
for example the whole "she belongs to me" "no she actually belongs to me" between 4th and 8th prince was just a little bit funny to me

Also regarding the whole one man many wives thing, I'm not sure about korean history, but growing up watching so many chinese palace dramas, to me it feels really normal to have many wives during that historical period, no way to justify it, but we can't push our morals onto historical facts right? so i'm not sure if it indeed in korean history that the kings or guys would have like wives & mistresses?

In order for the audience to take a historical drama seriously, even if it's a "fictional" historical drama, I believe that the rules of that time should be abided

Also, I hope they tell us why the queen hates 4th, because if it's guilty turned hatred that's just ridiculous, like I can't buy that at all, it doesn't even make sense since i feel like there's a certain amount of people that know that it was the queen that caused the scar on 4th's face

& when baekhyun talks does it sort of sound funny? His period speak sounds not as serious and weighty as lee junki and kang haneul .

Also, did I miss the extreme progression of love that 8th feels for Su? I thought he was interested and liked her, but this episode all of a sudden feels like he can't live without her, ohman that escalated quickly lol. I also wanted more episodes of confusion of like/hate between 4th and Su as well haha

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I agree, everything happens so fast and I don't get it.

They also don't have those palace rule or something that supposed to be there in that kind of theme
I may get flack but I find the story is shallow and typical,
perhaps because everything I thought just done without build up

quick!!
make 8th loves her,
make 4th care for her,
make her brave,
stop the close up for IU,
make the 8th care about his wives more than before

just put all the important scene in one go!!

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Think previous Wang Wook just had some thing with Su, but after he realised she was in danger he realised how scared he was to lose her. That's when his emotions for her really came strong.
In the scene when So slapped Jung and the queen pushed So away, the queen was wary of Jung spending time with So like So is some bad omen. Maybe she thought her eldest crown prince died because of So (superstitious beliefs). That's why she had more irk of So and wanted him sent away as hostage. In olden times people are very superstitious due to ignorance. Choi Ji Mong even convinced the king to let So stay in Songak by sprouting a few stars alignment sentences.

On a side note, wonder if anyone noticed the queen is also acting in Jealousy Incarnate, aka the 2nd ex-wife. Was finding her super familiar.

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Ahhhh this recap came out fast!

I'm really liking this show. This episode was great overall. There were some lighter moments that I appreciated.

IU is very endearing as Su. I love her scenes with So.

The romance feels like it's moving a bit fast, but I like it. I just hope there's enough of the plot to last the whole drama.

I'm glad that So is not gonna try to cling on to his mother anymore. The opening scene with her was intense. His facial expressions was just heartbreaking. Lee Jun Ki's acting blew me away.

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I cant stand every scene of Wang So and the Queen SMS. it's so heartbreaking and i want to slap her so bad. isnt that enough that she sent him to a bad family, do you still need to call him bad luck and all ?

i wish him to stop trying to get recognation from her nor her brothers. but this is 9th century where you can go everywhere you want. So thought getting back to his belongs to will make him happier, but no, he's getting more miserable.

I cant wait for his accomplice (Sung Dong il's character) to appear because he's the only aliance he has. i want to know how he learned martial art as well.

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Wow, I did not expect for this recap to come out so soon. Thanks, Heads!

And despite the discouraging rating, I am totally in love with today's episode. Granted I still find IU's character a tad bit annoying and dumb for my taste (I love me some street-smart heroine with sassy attitude to boot), but her interaction with 4th Prince gets me giggling from the beginning. I'm looking forward for moreee :))

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I don't care about the rating...
Lee Junki emo vibe and Ha Neul's intense stare are more than enough for me to stay...
I WANT TO BE IU SO BAADDD!!!!

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I think this entire comment section want to be IU lol

But why not, she's a lucky girl.

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Fastest recap ever!

1. Am I the only thinking that this Su love triangle is happening too soon?
2. KHN is best when he puts on his worried face. You just want to hug him.
3. Lady Hee is looking paler than ever.
4. None of the princes annoyed me. That's a real improvement.
5. Princess what's-her-face should calm the F down.
6. LJK just keeps getting better and better, hotter and hotter. (Repeat)
7. Can we give a high five to that astronomer dude?
8. I want Su to not forget who she really is.
9. They really have pretty costumes.
10. The king should stop wearing that stupid beaded hat.

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Lol @ No.4. I feel the same too. They finally have got some attention to their characters, rather than being treated as a tool for fanservice or to provide info on 4th through all those 'Wow he's bad*ss' 'How come he knows martial arts. He's not supposed to.' 'He kills lots of people' 'Everyone is afraid of him' etc.

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10 <- but that's the Goryeo head gear tho? isn't it?

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Yes it is! I just hate the hat.

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10th still annoys me, that's because I think he is a waste of screen time that can go to Jun ki and is a bit too childish for a prince. And no, I still think with 4 episodes in, Baekhyun still can't act.

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wang eun is childish - it's his character.

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He is annoyingly childish to the point that I switch my channel or maybe the actor just doesn't have that factor that can elevate childish to endearing. Writing can let you down but good actor can still deliver from poor writing. When it started I though I at-least will find him cute but no, his brand of childish isn't even cute, its plain irritating.

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I love Wang Eun's character. He is just cute. He may not be good actor but his scenes are supposed to be funny and he delivers in doing that.

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@gem

I don't find him annoying and i did smile at "she is too fast for me" but i'll agree that when he is onscreen, i keep thinking - why not give this time to LJK. We are not getting enough of him

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I just wanted to stop So as he was telling his life story. I knew that would happen. I just wanted to scream at him, "She doesn't care! Stop making sacrifices for her!" He is the most pitiful character ever. At least the king knows the queen was behind the assassination attempt.

The biggest shocker from today was Maid Chae Ryung may be involved with the ninth prince. I really like how all of the princes have their own story lines instead of being relegated to the background. Unsurprisingly, most of their story lines revolve around being in love with Su, but it beats only being comic relief.

Thanks lots for the recap, HeadsNo2!

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This episode was such a welcome improvement from the previous eps!!!! I genuinely enjoyed every minute. Really hoping they can keep this up because THIS is the drama I waited 6 months for :')

Anyhow just wanted to say the instrumental ost in this ep is really really lovely, and bolstered the emotional impact of important scenes. It seems the production team are taking the online criticism seriously and are trying their best to rectify what went wrong - and as a fan, I can't be any happier right now (except of course, a really good ep 5 today). ;)

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I really wonder whether there is more to the original Hae Soo that will play a big factor (in addition to Ha Jin's presentisms) on how the current Hae Soo will go about in her life in Goryeo...

If there is, it will be one thing that is added/improved from the original/source material.

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Okay, I just skimmed the recap and this looks awesome. The only real question that remains is this: do I watch this first or Six Flying Dragons?

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If you enjoy being part of recaps and comments as we go along, watch this first. Six Flying Dragons is twice as long but (just guessing here since we're only on ep 4) ten times as good as SH. Either way, you will get wonderful recaps by Heads! SFD is top-notch.

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Six flying dragon is really good that i havent totally cured from it's post k-drama sydrome yet..Or maybe it will be a good idea to watch both simultaneously.. Yes maybe i"ll do that..rewatch SFD while waitng for SH..?

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SFD is epic. But it is heavy. Almost like a A+ documentary. Though i would never recommend it as the first saguek to anyone. i'm still going through it. I watch 2 episodes a week.

ML is not a 'fun' show. It still has a lot of intensity but its like a lighter version of the whole battle for the thrones where the love line is important. So it is a easier watch. Plus you get to watch it alongside the DB community and its always fun squee-ing with fellow beanies every week. And it does have LJK!

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Its good to watch SFD with a couple of canned beers at hand.

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LJK all the way in this episode!!! He's amazing!!! All that emotions displayed on one side. Man is a beast actor.

Don't want to psychoanalyze a character but I'm assuming Queen Mama Power Hungry had postpartum when she had So and started hating him. My 2 cent on the mysterious hatred the queen has towards So.

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I kinda like your postpartum depression theory. But that would give the character some sympathy. B***h doesn't deserve it!!

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ugh ugh ugh oppa's face in that first scene DESTROYS me. It actually hurts to see So be so totally rejected by his own family - not just the Queen, but Jung too, even though Jung looked a bit guilty when the Queen came in - because of their own reflected guilt, and Lee Jun-ki is a master of tearing my heart out with just one look. And I love that he and Su are connecting more, take out the threats and they genuinely seem to be getting to know each other more.

(and the same goes for Wook, when he grabs Su on the way back from the fight - I was half ready to swoon, oof)

Oh, and I LIVE for So and Wook's stank faces when Su hugs Jung at the end of the fight instead of them (even though she can't exactly hug them because, you know, scary prince and cousin's husband to whom she is fighting her attraction)

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Thank you for the recap, HeadsNo2!

I am really liking this show...it's funny, swoony, breaks your heart then warms your heart. I love the cinematography (I'm watching it from my notebook but Javabeans mentioned that it's not as visually appealing when being watched on the telly). I love the costumes and wow aren't they all pretty! I just love this show.

When Wook said "I thought I lost you", my goodness! I was expecting another admonishing but it turned out that way. I was stunned as Su. That's mega swoon from the moon and back! I know he's married but by gawd, the scene just made me giddy and swooned like crazy. It melted my heart but broke it as well, if that makes any sense. Kang Ha Neul was so intense that I just felt what Wook exactly felt. Jeepers, I reckon I have another favourite Korean actor, lol!

As for So and his Mother Dearest..."At least there was a turning point in their relationship this episode, enough to where So will (hopefully) stop seeking her approval. Or maybe nothing says “I love you, Mom” like a pile of burned corpses". LOL!!! Yes, I hope that would be the last time So does anything for his mother, seriously. So heartless when she's the one who scarred her own son's face!

I love how So and Su are getting along. The scenes are cute and pretty and warm. I love it. I'm glad there's a person to tamp down So's anger. I hope he visits Su more often now that he's soon moving in the palace. Lee Jung Ki never fails in acting, imo, so I'm happy. I'm also happy with IU's performance. I love her character as well and she's never been so pretty! I love her in hanboks! So yeah, this is another entertaining show and I hope it will remain as such until the end of its run.

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Close ups + Lee Jun Ki = the death of me.

And that's only half of his face.

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I feel you...
His smile drive me crazy, gosh..

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Half of his face and only one eye.

Amazing.

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When sageuk-Kang Haneul has an action scene but he can't even rip a nametag in varietyland ?

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Puahahahaha!!! xD

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When sage-Lee Jun Ki causally murders 20 people, but only manages to catch a scroll on his third try in variety land.

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LJK and KHN should do more variety shows, they are so funny and cute. Not like their sexy characters at all.

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This episode was a big improvement. The camera wasn't lurching around and zooming in all the time. The biggest misstep is still the music cues. During the tail end of Hae Soo's whipping scene they introduced a song that completely deflated the tension that had built up in that moment. It was so inappropriate, some Boys over Flowers BS that took me out of the scene. Are they so desperate to sell singles that they would ruin a whole scene? But someone must realize it was a horrible music cue because if you watch that scene on Naver (it's the #2 viewed tv video on Naver right now) they have a completely different music cue...one that keeps the tension going in that moment.....so strange...

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Ya same! When I watched it initially I thought the music for that scene was super off and totally a mood kill. But I rewatched it again on kissasian (that uses raws directly from SBS) and it was fine? I thought it was odd but I guess there must be some disparity between different versions airing. Whaddup with the inconsistencies gais.

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Loved the episode! Love the chemistry between the leads. But there are a few things that's still killing it for me. Mainly the excessive close up shots and the rapping as a bgm.

While the super zoomed in close ups work great when the scene only has two or three characters, and beautifully conveys the intensity of their emotions. It's a total mess when the scene contains practically the entire cast. (7 princes + 1 princess + our heroine and her lady in waiting = 10 people). Having the camera zoom in on all of them just makes the scene very trippy for a viewer to keep up.

While I love Punch's voice, I wanna scream murder when the rapping comes up. It's totally not appropriate with the tone of the drama and it kills the mood almost instantaneously. I can mildly tolerate the English lyrics but rapping is where I draw the line.

Overall they're all production problems and I'm super pissed at the production team for that. They had 8 months to get it right, 8 bloody months!! and they still screwed it up. I feel really bad for the actors (especially Lee Joon Gi cause his performance was stellar) if this is what putting people off the show. ):

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I agree with you about the music....see my comment above. If the music was good and could fit the scene appropriately I wouldn't have a problem...Ive seen a few fusion Saguks that were able to incorporate modern music and rap that added to the scenes. But some of the music cues here are so tone deaf....like I have no background in film or TV but I know when a music cue tanks a scene....

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I have a feeling they've been adjusting the music, because I didn't notice any rap or English lyrics in the scene where Su was bringing So his lunch, or the whipping scene - and other viewers on the SBS livestream reported the same.

I'm glad they've realised that stuffing all those horrible songs in willy-nilly as OST was not working, but I'm sad the realisation came too late to save the ratings.

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I know this might sound bad, but I think the production team actually doesn't have much say about the ost ):

With so many music industry giants investing in the drama, I think they kinda had to sell out a little by giving them control over the ost and also having to play a certain amount per episode so said music industry giants can use this chance to plug their artists.

While the songs are good, I wish the production team kept their artistic integrity more by gaining more control over this part. I'm glad that they're actively trying to sought out the problem but I heard the rapping within like the first 20 minutes of episode 4 and I was just like no.

Sometimes I wonder if that is the problem with the drama, too many investors and too little control. /:

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Considering that the rap and English-lyric songs were cut entirely from the Korean tv cut of this episode, I think the production actually does have the right to shut it down and not use an OST if they feel it isn't appropriate - they just got lazy at first and went 'eh whatever, throw in everything and the kitchen sink, viewers will eat up the drama anyway'.

YG may have invested in this drama, but some of the worst OSTs don't come from YG artists at all, iirc - and I assume even YG knows they can't casually jeopardise a multi-million-dollar production for the sake of their own egos or for some throwaway promotion. The production has no excuse, they took their viewers for fools and now they're paying the price in the worst way - low ratings. Which I'm still heartbroken about because the actors deserved better, and so did this story.

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Oh I didn't mean "lack of control" as in what they can play and what they can't. I mean the fact that these ost were produced like this in the first place. Also the overwhelming amount of songs that this drama tries to fit in when it clearly can't. Sure they get to decide when and where they put in the songs but you can't deny there is pressure from other parties and the production team need to satisfy them somewhat to an extent. How they balance that would be their problems (and to an extent, ours as well) but we can't deny that these songs are the ost of this drama. That's done and dusted the minute the production team/people at the channel decides to accept their money.

When I say "music industry giants", I'm not referring to YG alone. And do you think they really care if they jeopardies a drama? no. As long as these people get the end of their bargain, they're fine. That's why they invest in the first place, to benefit themselves.

and yes you can jeopardise a multi-million production, if a
portion of the multi-million dollars came from your pocket. It's sad but that's the ugly truth of the entertainment industry. It's the same as (I don't like bringing in other dramas but for the sake of comparison) DOTS doing all the unnecessary PPL, ruining some good moments on the way. They don't really have a choice, they accepted the money, they gotta do it. It's just HOW they do it that can make a difference, that could limit the impact but it doesn't negate the fact that they did it.

Also I'm not sure we watched the same version cause while I didn't hear the Exo song this episode (I actually quite like that one despite it being out of tone with the drama), I am positively sure I heard Say Yes and I heard the rapping.

But i blame the production team too for placing the ost unnecessarily, some of them were just way too off and it was very sloppy on their part.

Hope this improves. I mean it can only get better at this point right? Haha.

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I don't know of any music industry involvement in the production other than YG, but recording multiple often crappy noisy OSTs is par for the course in all kdramas, and as seen in the fact that the rap and certain other songs have been removed from use as background music, I think it's safe to say their use is definitely up to the production.

I think we definitely didn't watch the same version, the SBS live stream version appears to have different music/no rap.

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Because Subway in Goryeo is nah.

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@Pogo yeah I just checked. I think I watched an already distributed one since there wasn't an SBS logo. Probs have to watch the SBS ones then.

Oh wells, let's just pray hard that they keep it up with the good work. I still can't forgive them for screwing up the first week episodes though. I'm more bothered by the fact that they didn't even try to QC the music by making sure that there was no English lyrics at the very least. I prefer them just playing the instrumentals that's much better and more tonal. But what's done is done, let's hope the ratings improve.

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I'm not caught up on the recaps yet. But I have to say, nice to see you Heads!!!

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I think a lot has to do with the director. The production team gave him everything, nice sets, nice cameras, but he made his shot and editing choices.

However, it seems that except for Korea, everyone loves it. (Even China, except the nationalistic ones who hate everything none china.)

Read somewhere it beat DOTS for viewership... as for Moonlight, it's probably ranked 5th or 6th.

Maybe the Chinese people really love those close ups of all the princes and IU.

I hate the music though. They should have started with Davichi.

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Same, the music also bothered me at first. The first two didn't really fit the historical theme of the drama? Davichi's song fits the most, in my opinion.

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I just want to throw out there that in the first episode and maybe through part of the second episode I had suspicious feelings towards Wook. I thought he would be the evil one (because I forgot about the guyliner=evil rule).
I had assumed he was the one that drowned the original Hae Soo because of the way he kept looking at her with confusion (as in, I drowned you, how are you still alive?) and adamantly saying "I never knew you that well" when talking with her (using the 'amnesia' to his advantage).
So stupidly I assumed him to be the murder-prince. I know that's incorrect now, but I still need an answer as to how Hae Soo died.
Why was she in the sexy bathhouse? How did she drown??
ANSWER ME, SHOW!!

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I die @ the sexy bathhouse! Yeah me too, had a little bit of suspicion at Wook because he's so nice and kind and respectful, almost TOO nice. I have a feeling there's something very complicated with him deep inside. His sister was talking about him making a political marriage, so we shall see.

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I'm not suspicious of Wook anymore. He's just a sad, emotional puppy wreck right now and I LOVE It.
I'm trying to Columbo out a reason as to why OG Hae Soo was in the sexy bathhouse when she died because my original hypothesis is most likely false. I'm leaning towards "just because the story needed it" because sometimes a girl has to be welcomed into her new life by lots of half naked men for her to accept it more readily.
And thus the universe gave her the sexy bathhouse.

Although if the writer is awesome (like I suspect they are) then it'll be revealed eventually. But I know not all questions in dramaland have answers: Like who saved Yoh Gwang from that monk massacre in Mirror of the Witch?? That shit was never clearly explained. He was just simply saved because the story needed it.

And I'm okay with that.

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They didn't outright show who saved Yoh Gwang but they did show a man at the end and i think is probably him. But its a different show and by telling who here would be spoiler so pls do go to ep 20 recap to read comments. Think some other beanies commented on who the guy could be there.

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One of the better episodes thus far, in my opinion. I liked three but four went /beyond/ my expectations in fleshing out a bit more of Wang So's character. Lee Joon Ki did a fantastic job portraying his characters' many facial expressions! Wang So went from this cold, dark, brooding, and violent character to one who can be vulnerable and almost child-like in many ways-- this is ESPECIALLY true whenever he's with Hae Soo.

I also really like Kang Ha Neul's rendition of the 8th Prince. He's obviously tortured by his feelings for Hae Soo and it almost makes you feel sorry for him. I still feel bad for his wife though... On the other hand, I also felt like this episode had a lot of foreshadowing going on as well. 14th Prince promising Hae Soo that he'll save her, anyone? I'm sure we can expect more from him in the future.

Anyway, I find it really sad that ratings are dropping for this show when it's obviously getting better. Hopefully people will give this one another go.

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I really don't get all the hate IU is getting for her acting. I think the real issue stems from writers not quite knowing which direction to go with her character: is she cute/funny or worldly/compassionate? Her transition from her comforting a raging So to her quirky "Candy" freak out when meeting him on the mountain was quite strange. I would think she would be a bit more calm or concerned to see him again.

Honestly that is my biggest issue with the show - is it dark/brooding or cute/funny. The dark and terrifying parts are ammaaazing and the comic relief is good too, but they are too contrasting because the writers are going all-in on both of the concepts. If you want to do both you need waaaay better transitions between the two, and maybe dull down each one so they suit each other better. But, alas, it's pre-produced...

Also did anyone else find the cinematography of this episode full of one to many close ups. Nearly every conversation was a close up of each character's and it seemed super awkward. Especially the scene with So and Wook after Su was whipped (these names...), that really could have used a bit more zooming out.

I agree, that Su's quick transition to this world is a bit strange. I think the weird feeling stems from her only paying attention to like the BIG differences in this world (ie. whipping, being an "object", royalty), and completely being fine with small ones (no indoor plumbing, different food, clothing, horses). She doesn't even seem to care all that much that she'll never see her family again. AND she doesn't even try to find a way to escape this world. I mean wouldn't you want to get back to wifi Su?????

Shoutout to Kang Hanuel in this role. I saw you-boo on Running Man and you were adobzzzzz (so cutely nuerotic). I can totally see your flair in this role, and that silent pause before you almost kissed IU was G-O-L-D. I feel this ship way more than So and Su (ugh the names). Sail away, sail away. and the chemistry, but who wouldn't want to have a love line with you...

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I've always thought IU is fine once the director toned down the too-wide-eyed looks of shock, and frankly, she's perfect here. She may not be as accomplished an actor as Lee Jun-ki and Kang Ha-neul, but her very youthful appearance belies her maturity, which is actually what helps in the chemistry with both her male leads.

Also, re: Su

I think the weird feeling stems from her only paying attention to like the BIG differences in this world (ie. whipping, being an “object”, royalty), and completely being fine with small ones (no indoor plumbing, different food, clothing, horses)

I agree with this - it's like she adapted so quickly to her circumstances, that the small things don't bother her, but that doesn't ring quite true.

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Ha Jin in Hae Soo's body did try to come back into the future.

1. She ran afterJi Mong (who looks like the homeless man), who she thought would have some ideas about her being transported to Goryeo or means to go back to 2016.
She lost him when she first encountered So on his horse.

2. She asked about Ji Mong being a guest in the house / describing him to Chae Ryung, probably a clue on where to find him or how to get to him but Chae Ryung replied the house welcomes many guests.

3. She went back to the bath house (where she appeared when she arrived in Goryeo): that scene when she saw So's scar.

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OMG. I forgot. I completely apologize.

Though I think the fact that I totally forgot has to mean something? Like those moments of her searching to get back always were overshadowed by what happened as a consequence of her looking to go back, so those moments passed by and were underplayed (ie. bath scene lead to seeing So's gorgeous face, and finding the hairpin). Maybe this will come up later in the drama?

I keep comparing Splish Splash Love to SH to see what they could have done differently, and that was one of the points I think Splish Splash did pretty well.

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I agree on the overshadowed and underplayed. :)

Her clothes dripping wet, heading for the 8th Prince's place and finding out everyone is worrying about her,
"I am home."
The show ended that string of the plot with her realization.
And maybe, resignation.

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Yeah, she did try to return but I feel like they don't reinforce the consequences of her attempts well enough so it sometimes comes across as Su going /kanyeshrug/ and getting on with Goryeo life.

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EXACTLY.

Considering the well-acted angst that is going on in this drama, I would really love to feel some real despair from Su about her situation instead of going from adventure to adventure. And I really think that tragic realization would go great with the tragedy of So's storyline (they can comfort each other) and Wook's quandary (more comfort).

s/o to the kanyeshrug @pogo

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Yeah I feel like the hate to IU is unfair too, her acting is good. Not LJK/KHN level but good.

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it is very easy to adapt to the little things, if you can not change it. hae soo tried to go back but could not - so she tries to accept what she have now
accept that in the distant past, people thought differently than we do now, is much more difficult - to fit in another life form is much easier than to fit into another system of thought/mindset

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I'm so sad that the ratings dropped so low, what the heck is happening :(

I feel bad for those actors they worked so hard for it, esp LJK, come on his acting is so solid he deserves better ratings that this! LJK hasn't really had a drama with good ratings since Joseon's Guman

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Su freaked out already in ep 1 after she woke up. She said so herself that she is a fast learner and will adapt quickly, and she has. She has never been afraid of So, even from the 1st moment they met. Su already had So at "is it a crime to want to live?" since that seems to be the personal quest, to live freely and accepted. I personally want to get to the heart of this story so I don't need Su to be still dumb, lost, and confused. IU is doing a great job. If that's the face she has while mesmerized by their beautiful faces, then I hope my face looks as good as hers as I stare at the screen during Wook and So's close ups. I love both but Lee Jun Ki wins!!!

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Thanks for the recap, Heads!

I agree that HS seems to have adapted to Goryeo remarkably well for the most part other than not really accustomed to the way people are treated. So also warmed up to her much sooner than I thought since he's always showing slight smiles and amusement. I guess he is so starved of love and attention that any kind word would strike him immediately. That scene of them by the prayer stones was especially poignant since So just came from that heart-stabbing confrontation with his mother. Her coldness and callousness is such a stark contrast to HS inquiring about his injuries. My heart just really aches for So and want him to be happy.

Maybe it's cuz of my love for So/LJG, but right now, I don't really buy how Wook fell for HS. It could be the writing and what we're shown so far since KHN is acting just fine as Wook. But the show hasn't really told us how they originally met and we only know them from the point of GHJ transforming into HS in the Goryeo timeline. And even then, other than feeling amused, I'm not too sure why he is already so deeply drawn and attached to HS. (Since I watched the C-drama original, I can't help but compare that when the 8th Prince met Ruoxi--the HS character equivalent after she already time-travelled to Qing dynasty--at his home, that was the first encounter between them and he was immediately enchanted with her. Her later actions and different behaviours only made him more interested.)

Eun is such a cute, innocent prince and I chuckled at his interpretation of HS's questions. He's got a good heart though not too bright when it comes to women.

Jung... I don't know why, but after watching the director's cut of the first three ep's, and this ep. continued from that cut instead of the initially aired ep. 3, I took the fighting scene to be the first time he was in the marketplace. The original scenes with Jung fighting and Baek Ah drawing him were totally removed from the cut. So, I interpreted this as just Jung fighting and ended up at the hands of these people, not a subsequent fighting scene. I'm so glad the our heroine is a bit too nosy for her own good at times like these even if she really isn't gonna be of much help. Her bravery is commendable, and just that she cares is enough for me, despite not having much of a chance to get to know Jung yet. I can see why Jung would be smitten with her and totally loved their hugging scene, especially Jung's reaction along with his hyungnims'.

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YH beating up HS was totally uncalled for. While she might have the upper status when it came to CR, she knew full well that HS is a guest and is Lady Hae's younger cousin. That is her sister-in-law's cousin!! She doesn't respect Lady Hae, does she? Otherwise, how would she dare to do such a thing? Does she not understand what that would mean for her older brother, Wook? Even if she's the princess, can she really just do all that? It just mind-boggled me that HS got treated like CR, which seems to indicate that YH just views HS as no more than a servant girl. I'm so glad So intercepted despite not using the best tactic.

YH also got on my nerves in that scene with Wook and their mom. How dare she try to butt in with her opinion on what her older brother should do with his personal life when it comes to marriage? And she's so happy that Lady Hae is dying so that Wook can marry someone better suited to make them more powerful?!?! I just don't like her and it makes me icky to think that historically, she will be So's queen and even bear 5 children with him. The Goryeo loveline is a bit messed up for my brain to wrap around, especially since So always marries his niece (first older brother/current crown prince's daughter) later on. I hope nothing re: YH or niece gets shown in this series. LOL

I don't really know why the queen hates So so much either besides being guilty and ashamed for inflicting that scar on his face. Maybe she never valued his life if he was put up as leverage for the king not to re-marry back then. Maybe it's cuz her other child had died at that time, and assuming the king carried on the marriage anyway, she needed an avenue to direct her anger, grief, and hatred. So, unfortuately, became the target, and literally became scarred for life. The king doesn't treat So much better either.

For Jung's slap scene, I don't quite get his change in reaction. One moment he's pissed off and pushing all of So's buttons; next moment he's all on So's side when Mom appears.

I'm looking forward to more So-Su scenes and wanna learn more about other princes.

[POSSIBLE SPOILER FROM ORIGINAL SERIES! SKIP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW!]

Prince Won and CR definitely glanced at each other, and there's gotta be something there that viewers don't know yet. [SPOILER]

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In a way, I feel like Yeonhwa's cavalier attitude to the idea of Lady Hae's death and her readiness to whip Su are linked - outwardly, she respects her sister-in-law but looks down on her a little because of her impending death and (this seems to be implied) childlessness, and sees Su as beneath her since she's a cousin of Lady Hae and a dependent of Wook's household despite belonging to not Wook's family, but Lady Hae's.

About Jung, I sort of get him - he's never really known So, or rather he's known him only through his reputation and Yo's/his mother's account of him..... and we know exactly what those two would have told him.

Add to that Jung's embarrassment at having to be saved by the scary older brother he's been taught to regard as a blight on the family, and his brain can't compute said brother being, well, so older-brotherly to him and telling him off, and you get Jung lashing out to say anything to get So to shut up. (which I thought was an interesting layer to add to a prince we've only known as a sweet human puppy). But at the same time, I think he knows he's in the wrong for that, and seeing the full extent of his mother's horrible attitude to So just reinforced that shame.... which is why you have Jung turning around to defend his brother when his mother intervenes.

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Yes, that's definitely linked since there's almost an air of distain towards Su with the previous encounter when Su was watching Wook and Lady Hae, and in this ep. The impending death can't be helped, and yup, she is childless. But what surprised me was that YH's mother seems to remember that it was the Hae family who helped them out in the past and Lady Hae's good. Most of the time, especially during historical times, mother-in-laws are all about producing children, especially sons. So, it was a pleasant surprise to see her siding with Wook's refusal to divorce Lady Hae. I guess I just really despise characters like YH. She doesn't need to like Su or Lady Hae; I was just hoping for some basic respect since many eyes are watching. In essence, her beating Su up is kind of implying that her servant girls can also treat her with the same disrespect--which is directly opposite to how Wook treats her.

Right, I believe Jung never knew any better. It's telling in the previous ep. when he naturally wanted to bow and greet hyung, only to be stopped by hyung.

It will probably take some time for Jung to digest and wrap his head around this older brother. The telling him off didn't help, but I'm glad So is actually doing that instead of just avoiding Jung. Despite being hurt by him witnessing Mom's obvious affection towards this younger bro, So seems to harbour no ill feelings towards him, unlike to Yo. Yes, agree about the interesting layer. (I've actually been waiting for more intense moments from Jisoo instead of just the resident puppy stuff.) I guess I'd attribute that outburst to him still being not that mature yet. And since he doesn't really know how to react to So's teaching, he just did what he knew, which happens to be knowledge fed to him by Mom and Yo. It was his way of retaliating. Like you said, his pride got seared in the earlier attack when So had to come to his rescue. But I am glad at Jung's sense of justice. He doesn't just add salt to the wound by reducing hyungnim to even lower in Mom's presence by siding with her. The comment about being a mama's boy also holds true, and I think Jung is somewhat grudgingly aware of that though he didn't like the sound of it.

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Yeah, this is the kid who wanted to greet his #4 hyung when So came to meet the queen and his brothers - his natural instinct towards So isn't one of aversion (and side note: I think Lee Jun-ki and Ji-soo have absolutely perfect chemistry as brothers)

And I like that So didn't just save Jung, but brought the situation home to him afterwards. We've been told over and over again that Goryeo isn't an age where physical deformities or 'defects' are tolerated, since So was sent into exile for a mere scar and only his status as a royal lets him even be within the city limits.

The man who went for Jung lost an arm at the Queen's order - as per what Su's been told previously, that would have made him an outcast and unable to live in the city. Now imagine if he'd succeeded in exacting his revenge on Jung, the Queen's adored youngest son - and it'd have been far worse than So's scar. (and I actually wonder if the Queen would have turned on him the way she did on So). Thankfully, it's So's intervention that spares us all from having to face that as a real prospect. And I think Jung knows that, and lashes out harder because he knows it.

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@pogo: Yes! And that's what intrigues me. Why isn't Jung hateful towards So despite being brainwashed through his upbringing? I found that very interesting. (Realized my typo in my comment that he was stopped by mom, not hyung. XD) It's as if no matter what mommy dearest and #3 hyung said, I wanna judge for myself--that kinda mentality. (And yes, love LJG-Jisoo as bros. ^^)

That's a really good point! I didn't even think that far. But that is so true. Imagine if Jung had suffered a limb removal from that combat... I wonder if the queen will sing a different tune and still dote on him, or if she'd cast him aside since he would no longer be "a son who makes his mother proud." So definitely gave Jung some good food-for-thought, thinking from his personal experience living with his scar and for that man who probably has to live in hiding with one arm. That makes much more sense why Jung so vehemently defended So in front of their mom.

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@Lisa: I feel like Jung not hating So the way the queen and Yo do, is down to a number of reasons - firstly, he's the youngest, and not close in age to So the way Yo is (since they are #3 and 4), so he doesn't really see him as competition/a threat the way Yo does.

Secondly, from what we've seen of Jung, he seems to spend most of his time around the other younger princes, who aren't yet involved in politics and are just kids really (particularly Eun), so that removes him from Yo's influence to an extent. And even the queen herself totally babies Jung (in contrast to the way she treats Yo, which is to support him totally in scheming and manipulating his way to the top). So yeah, in a sense he's quite innocent, and surprisingly so considering his mother and bro #3.

I feel like Jung has been previously fed the party line about how So is scary and a curse on everyone, but he didn't really stick to it when So first came back (hence the awkward attempt at greeting despite being scared of So). What I'm more interested is in what could have caused the switch from intimidated-but-still-respectful little brother, to outright insolence this time.

I personally suspect So's finding and burning the killer monk temple and then exposing the queen as the owner might have been what led to Jung's sudden reversal - again, this is background info and not made clear, but obviously something happened to change Jung's behaviour in that short time, and this seems to be the most obvious - it explains why Jung would be so touchy about being rescued by this particular brother, and why he said the things he did.

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@pogo: That's true. It does seem like he's not that close to Yo, most likely due to age. He tends to hang out with Eun the most, then BA. So, like you said, he probably isn't influenced much by Yo and doesn't see the other princes as competitors at all. They're all just his hyungnims. Plus, I feel like his mom's attention on political matters is totally directed at Yo, so Jung never gets to see any of that. Mom treats him like a baby. LOL

In terms of the different reaction to So, I'm not too sure if Jung is aware of it. He wasn't present in the exchange between the king and some of those princes. And I don't really know if this kinda subject matter really gets spread around amongst the princes? It's not like the queen or Yo would say anything to Jung, and neither would the rest of the princes who were there. So, unless he heard from somewhere else, I'm not sure if that's what accounts for his change. I only thought he felt like his pride was wounded and didn't really know how to react to this unfamiliar, supposedly scary hyung who is shunned. So, his only ammo was his knowledge bank, which is filled with Mom and Yo's words and actions. I just felt like he was just pulling out anything to make a comeback to feel less inferior in that encounter with So. And almost like the feeling of... You've never been a hyung in my entire life. What gives you the right to give me a schooling now? If Mom or Yo had tried to discipline/scold him, I think Jung would've reacted very differently, and perhaps would've been more accepting of such teachings. It also seems like Jung was acting defensive because he truly doesn't seem to know what happened to that guy's arm. Supposedly, he lost a fight against that guy and the queen did this to him? But Jung seemed indignant he knew nothing when So confronted him. Maybe he felt like So was accusing him for playing a part in this guy's missing arm.

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I think as good as the director's cuts were. It's better to treat the original ones as cannon cause those scenes that they cut in the edited version were clearly more pivotal to the plot, although chucked in quite sloppily. And the few "extra" scenes from the director's cuts, we just have to treat them like bonuses ):

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LOL Let's hope they just give us the good versions from now on. I don't wanna keep remembering if I saw this already or not. And they can't exactly expect viewers to rewatch 3 hours of footage.

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Wow - is there some sort of major backlash against this drama? The ratings are terrible and continue to slide. Anyhow, productions or director has to take some of the blame. There are so many things that are jarring and they didn't need to be. It seems that preproduction hasn't helped it at all - I shudder to think what would happen if it wasnt Preproduced. They have all been mentioned before and it takes the viewer out of story. The zoomed in might not have bothered me that much except I read a lot of complaints and I couldn't help by notice it too. The music is ridiculous. It's so out of place and I keep thinking that it must be b/c they have to play royalties and promised to play with song. Anyhow - drives me crazy.

Aside from that Ha Neul and Junki are knocking it through the park for me. I am sticking to it cause of them. The others are ok too. Seriously if the editing was 100 times better than it could bring out the acting so much more. I still am interested in the characters. IU she's ok. I don't hate her yet lol - I like her slightly confused mostly modern kinda not personality.

I can't quite understand why there are so many concerns about Wang wook being married. Isn't this the case with particularly all sageuks involving princes and or royalty of any type? Practically all had wives before the main lead came in the picture and if they aren't, they certainly are getting one that's not the main lady lead. I have yet to see a sageuk about a king falling for his actual queen - except maybe TmETS. It bothers me less cause those were the times.

As with all ratings, I don't think it can recover. History tells me it won't recover. Still I hope they show us a good story to the end. fighting!!!

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I think you found the answer in your own comment

Aside from that Ha Neul and Junki are knocking it through the park for me. I am sticking to it cause of them. The others are ok too. Seriously if the editing was 100 times better than it could bring out the acting so much more.

for me, it just a typical saeguk,
we've seen this in shine and go crazy, six flying dragon, empress ki and go on,

story about abandon son to climb his way to throne , again and again and again

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A lot of people have agreed with Heads that the romance between So and Su sped up a little too quickly this episode, so I wonder if that's because he's heading off to the main palace and the romance parts of the next few episodes will belong mainly to Wook-Su. The writer likely wanted us to know that So and Su had made a big impression on one another, whether or not they realized yet it was romantic, so that when either one of them embarks on romance with someone else, there's something that might help hold them back. I like the camaraderie that's developing between So and Su, two outsiders coming together, and I'm thinking a trust relationship for those two would be best before romance.

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I personally don't think there's anything romantic about their relationship so far. It just feels like they're two individuals who are acknowledging each others' pain and circumstances. The way Hae Soo treats Wang So makes me laugh though because she's always so upfront towards him compared to, let's say her interactions with Wook. But I totally agree, the friendship between these two was the main highlight for me this episode. I'm just liking the fact that So finally has someone who actually cares for his well-being!

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I agree that it's not *real* romance in the sense that both of them have come to realise or acknowledge their feelings toward each other, but the mutual attraction is there, albeit low key. They are unwittingly drawn toward each other for reasons inexplicable to them (though not so to the viewers). For now sympathy and curiosity floats on the surface and are more easily detected, but I still think there is attraction. Her to him because he's a mysterious magnet, and him to her because he finds her amusing.

I wouldn't say he loves her already, but all the signs are there that are practically saying he's being amused by & curious about her, and he's already liked her.

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Yes, I agree with your comment wholeheartedly. Add to this that he has drawn very little sympathy from anyone his whole life, only fear, and Su's attempts at empathy and dismissal of her fear must be quite a unique experience.

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Also, I'm glad the king still knew it was the queen and third prince who were behind the assassination attempt even after all the double talk. He's a terrible father but good thing he's not a complete idiot.

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LOL IKR!

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haha, same here. He may be callous to So but he's no dummy.

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I know I've said this before but so reminds me so much of Bidam. The whole I killed all these people aren't you proud of me makes me think of baby Bidam and Munno.

I'm loving Wang So so much already. He's gotten used to people fear of him so much that he even uses it against them (even though I'm sure it hurts), but once someone says a simple hello to him, his expression changes.

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Bidam was a big heartbreak to me T.T Yeah I think Bidam and So are both scarred souls, neglected by evil mothers and doubted by others, which makes me feel even more sad to see them hurt.

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Su is not okay with falling for someone's husband, or people being beaten, yet she readily accept the fact that people have to kill in the palace in order to survive (referring to her conversation with So). The inconsistency made her character feel fake and forced, she was written to understand So but it was totally out of character.

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On another point of view, those two things you mentioned were very close personally to her, like it's related to her kind cousin or her friend the maid. But on killing to survive in the palace, it's such a broad concept for her to understand/sink in especially when it hasn't happened yet to somebody she knows closely or has affected her directly.It's hard to process when it didn't happen right in front of her face. Just my opinion :)

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I think, from her experience with Wook, she understands that killing can be done for a host of reasons and that the one who kills can also be affected - she specifically noted PTSD as a concern when Wook was putting her to bed and she asked him about when he first killed someone.

It seems logical enough that she'd take a similar approach to So even when he's got blood fresh on his hands. I can't say this drama handles the time-travel and mindset-adjusting in the most consistent way, but they do try, and IU for the most part pulls it off.

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I don't think killing in any kind of context can be justified, if she has a guilty conscience over falling for someone's husband, shouldn't she feel more disturbed by the killing? She was so terrified seeing the people killed in the wood, wouldn't it make more sense that she values life? If you watch the drama thus far, it seems like she's always quick to defend people or try to save them, yet sympathize with killing? I think her whole character is written simply to complement the princes.

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I think she seems to recognise that in the position they're in, killing is unavoidable - and that sometimes it's done to live. In her own words, it's not a sin to want to live.

But I agree that it could be better established, even if I get it on a logical level - it's quite possible to be distressed by death and also realise that things aren't black and white.

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she is written for So's convenient,
I feel bad that they take this route for female lead again, again and again

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I know, the original story centers around the girl not the guy. And everything was supposed to be in her point of view

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I don;t think anything in the story indicates that they have shifted to the male perspective . Yet.

IU is nice but maybe people feel that way because LJK and KHN can and are acting circles around her.

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Yeah, although I think IU's a pretty good actress, LJK and KHN are excellent. Especially LJK, he just shines in literally everything he does

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I think it's good that in ep 3 Wook explained to Hae Soo how he killed when he was 11 to protect his mother and sister. I think that's what made HS keep an open, calm mind when she saw So covered in blood...that he might have done it to protect himself or others.

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"my person"

Stahp iy youuuuu~ **blushing furiously**

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Glad they have 24 episodes because so far I am really enjoying every one of them.
This is my first time seeing this story.

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Oh I thought there were only 20? I'm ecstatic if there is 24!! I always said if they were gonna play out everything, 20 episodes is too little.

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How did she see the stars if it started snowing soon after? WHAT'S HER SECRET?

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I agree with those who feel that the escalation to romance among the leads are a little bit too fast, but I'm not surprised having checked out one of this writer's works before. I watched her 'Save the Last Dance for Me' and the development in the romance department was rather abrupt, with much of growth and bonding happening off-screen. The PD-cut episodes were released later and not many people have access to them, so if even more people find the romantic development in this ep perplexing it's kind of understandable. I am one of those who think that more flow is needed in this ep, and the conversations between the three leads could have been written in a better way to bring out both the conflicts and build-up to the story and relationships. I actually enjoy ep 3 much more than this ep, but I hope ep 5 will regain its momentum.

A few details I noticed that haven't been addressed:
1- Hae Soo's reflection and thought process after she attempted to go back but failed. This will partly explain for and make convincing her acceptance and quick adaptation of life in Goryeo, but haven't been touched upon so far.

2- The mystery of 8th & HaeSoo's relationship, as hinted in the previous eps and pointed out by many people. Is there really something going on between them that will merit some explanation later? Or is it just an illusion caused by the actors' acting? Or a flaw in writing where the writer unwittingly sets up some backstory without addressing it?

3- The betrayal boyfriend detail - I'm in no rush for this to happen anytime now, but would like to see it coming into play in HaeSoo's reflection re. her budding feelings toward 8th. This is a detailed that is borrowed from the C-drama (but sadly got neglected there only as a plot device to cause the accident that brought RX back to the past) and has promising potential to be utilised. I hope the K-version will make some use out of it, rather than to drop it after it has done its job of making HaeSoo's life in the present time as miserable as possible to account for her quick adaptation in Goryeo.

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i think there is no secret past between hae soo and 8th prince: we know that wook don't love his wife, but care for lady hae. she is ill and lonely: hae soo is just an orphaned cousin for company and care for her

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My intuition would say so, but then there's a scene in the first ep where Wook said to Soo as he offered her his hand: 'It's me who brought you here'. And then Soo thought to herself: 'It's YOU who brought me here?' kind of thing.
Many people have speculated that there is something going on between Wook and Soo before Soo drowned in the bathpool.
I'm curious whether we're just reading too much into this dialogue, or if the writer does have something in store for these two's back story.

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What's the sageuk version of a Truck/Car of Doom? Because maybe the Queen needs to meet it. Can I ask for a meteor? A toilet from the sky to land on her and kill her unexpectedly? Something... anything, really.

I understand being shamed and hating yourself for slicing your kid's face up in a moment of desperation, but turning all those emotions ONTO your own child I cannot empathize with.

If she dies, there's still a bad guy in Evil Prince Guyliner so we don't really need her anymore. Maybe I'm just selfish because I want Wang So to be able to let go so he doesn't look so broken and sad. I'LL HUG YOU, PRINCE SO!

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Probably it was a turning point in Queen's relationships with the King, she used her son to stop him from leaving her and marrying someone but he still left, this showed her that his affection for her was over and to some extent apart from being ashamed of herself for hurting her own son she probably also hates him as a witness to her fall from grace and to some extent blames him for that.
I probably understand her hate more than his love for her, cause it's natural for a child to love his mother cause he still sees her as some image and believes she loves her, but in grown up person all those illusions are gone and any normal person would hate such mother cause he would see her attitude and understand that it's a real feeling his mother has towards him and he would hate her cause he didn't deserve any of that, unconditional parent-child love is less plausible here and mutual hate would make it more understandable

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It's unfortunately true that even when we grow up there is still a child inside us hoping for the love of an unavailable or cruel parent. We just learn to hide it or have at least the ability to walk away. So's always going to want his mother's love but he needs to bury that need now or it will bury him.

I was interested when she told So that he had taught her about love and justice so she thanked him for that. I mean, wasn't it the king who taught her that there was no love and there was no justice? Why is she blaming So, who might be a symbol of her marriage breakdown but certainly wasn't the cause of it.

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A chariot? Did they have chariots in Goryeo? A COD. But it seems to me that while modern romances tend to rely on TODs to cause or increase suffering, sajeuks tend to prefer poison or a dagger through the paper walls.

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The closest thing to a sageuk's counterpart of our beloved truck of doom would probably be getting thrown off a horse or carriage or being buried by the falling rocks of doom! ---- if you recall how cayote would chase roadrunner and end up being smashed by his own deathly boulder trap? Yes, that's how I imagine the evil queen being trampled to death by rocks of doom.

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I would normally be the first to say that a love triangle involving a married person makes me squeamish, but prince oh prince, there is so much love seeping out of Wang Wook for Hae Soo and so much love being held in by Wang So that, under the time travel Goryeo circumstances, I am more than drawn in by the complicated love story. Not to mention the prodding by Madam Hae for Wang Wook to take a second wife and her honestly in saying that she knows he doesn't love her (and his non-response affirming that) makes the yearning in his heart grow for Hae Soo all the more. Such overflowing handsomeness (IU is so lucky)! I like her in this and she does a good job of making the life where she is work while not letting us forget that it poses a predicament for her at the same time.

She gets Wang So which makes him drawn to her, but Wang Wook second lead syndrome is pretty strong, dang! To be caught between princes, what I wouldn't give for that!

Wang EXO, you're so silly!

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Hahahah Wang EXO! You just made my day :D

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I hope ratings will teach at least SBS to choose actors wisely, they thought bunch of male leads would outweigh other flaws, which was not smart, especially as I said before none of the princes appeal to me on any level for me it's a problem cause I don't like female lead to start with so I need compelling male lead to make me stick with drama, but Wang So is a bit too much to me ( so much drama, I can't stand it) and Wook is not enough, he lacks something, maybe visuals for me to get a second lead syndrome

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SBS did nothing wrong with the casting. The lead actors are great, maybe they don't suit your taste but that doesn't mean they were bad choices.

Don't use the ratings to justify your hate towards the actors/actresses.

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Well, it is an adaptation of a novel/series with a lot of princes. I can't see them "adapting" it without casting like a bajillion princes. What's your point?

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But the low ratings is not attributed to the lead actors? Everyone knows that. Isn't it the shitty directing style and also the strong competition?

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omg, kang haneul's stare o_o *swooooonnn*
I just finished watching the running man episode before this and omg lee junki and kang haneul are so freakin adorable and funny <3 and then on screen they're absolute fire.
hoping the next episode is just as (if not more) awesome! and hoping ratings go up as well :/

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I hope it's not considered a spoiler, but one moment that felt so great to me and made me warm up to the 4th was the moment when Rouxi asks him what he would do if he suddenly in a dream and can't wake up, referring actually to her situation and that she can't find the way to get back to future, on which he says " I would make most of it" and that advice actually motivates the girl to go on and stop worrying about not being able to go back, sometimes such small things help people to fight depression imo and idk, I miss that here, I miss such short endearing interactions

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im watching this for jisoo!

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Just marathoned ep 1 to 4. Now I have two MOON to love!

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Whoa, this episode is so much better than the first 2 eps. I hope the rating will increase as well.
I've never seen any actor that delivers emotions with one freaking eye. Maybe I should call LJK "The One With The Great Eye". His crying scene breaks my heart T.T
At this point whenever baekhyun shows up I'm already giggling. He's a cutie patotie. Jisoo is awesome (as always). KHN....sigh why do you keep playing a kind character who struggles alone? KHN + sentimentality = I can't stop watching. It was really sad when his wife said he doesnt love him and he just can't say anything.
This one line says it all, "the more princes the merrier". Looking forward to ep 5!

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I just want more of Lee Jun Ki...

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