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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 4

Feelings start to get murky as our heroine becomes more and more a part of our princes’ everyday lives, and though she may not always have the best solutions, at least she’s always willing to try. And while this hour has its dark moments, it seems like the show is willing to reveal its softer underbelly, which goes a long way toward helping to endear it to us. Angsty princes covered in blood are all well and good, but angsty, vulnerable princes with a soft spot for a certain someone are even better. The more princes, the merrier.

 
EPISODE 4 RECAP

So stalks into his mother’s room, his sword still dripping wet with the blood of the renounced monks he just killed en masse. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong wakes with a start to see her unloved son looking so dangerous, even as he steps forward with a smile.

But he’s not there to menace her—just the opposite, actually. “Do you know what I’ve done for you, Mother?” he asks, still smiling. He’s made it so that no one can come after her, and erased all traces of her wrongdoing. He’s like a little boy coming to his mother for approval, only this little boy killed a bunch of people and burned a temple down.

The queen slowly realizes what he’s done, but shatters So’s expectations when she asks him if he thought she’d commend him for what he did. “You’re like a beast,” she adds, and the smile instantly dies on So’s face.

“I did it for you, Mother,” he begins again, unsure, but she takes offense to his almost pleading use of the word “Mother.” She tells him that hearing that word come from his lips makes her skin crawl, and orders him to leave.

A broken-hearted So can’t help but wonder why his mother cares so little for him, only to be coldly interrupted by the queen, who says he’s not her son, but rather the son of the Shinju Kang clan. I doubt she means literally, but there’s certainly no better way of renouncing blood ties than that.

With tears in his eyes, So asks her if she turned her back on him because of his face. That’s why she sent him to be adopted, he knows, and in his rage, he breaks one of her vases as he collapses to the ground. As tears roll down his cheeks, he tells her of the horrid life he led with the Shinju Kang clan, and how he killed all the monks and burned the temple. The mother who adopted him was cruel and likely insane, and he was frequently left in a locked room for days in a row without food or water.

“What of it?” his mother interrupts, as coldhearted as ever. So’s face twitches and contorts in pain as she identifies with his adoptive mother for treating him the way she did—a mother only loves a son who makes her proud, after all, and So was nothing but a disgraceful burden to her. That’s why she sent him away.

After getting to his feet, So smiles a rueful smile. “You will remember this day. You may have abandoned me, Mother… but I shall not leave. I ask that you will only see me.” His mother denies his words, afraid that they may come true, but he staggers out, heedless.

He happens upon the heaps of prayer stones stacked by mothers for their children, and in his rage, he knocks one over. Su rushes forward to stop him, but he roughly shoves her off. He laughs maniacally when she notices the blood left on her hands from their brief tussle, and further shocks her by adding, “Yes, it’s the blood of those I killed today!”

So denounces the prayer stones, crying out that his mother shouldn’t come here to pray, but should go to him to beg instead. Su holds him back, and gets his attention only when she says he’s injured. She means his hand, but he grabs her by the collar and warns her, “I told you, I killed people!”

He seems taken aback when she doesn’t respond with fear, but understanding. She asks him to tell her about what he did and why in a calm voice, which causes him to loosen his grasp. Confronted, he shakes as he tells her to go, but she claims to understand him.

She knows that the times he lives in required him to wield a sword at a young age, and knows just as well that he had to kill in order to live. “But what can you do?” she asks. Reiterating that she understands him, she adds, “You must be feeling so miserable right now. I think I can relate.” She leaves him to grieve by the prayer stones.

The elder princes give King Taejo their account of the assassination attempt from the night before, and their attempts to find the culprits. No one knows yet that it was So who burned down the temple, but they do know that the temple full of monk-assassins belonged to Queen Sinmyeongsunseong.

Taejo asks the queen directly if she’s responsible for the assassins, which she denies. Third prince Yo jumps in to take responsibility for his mother, but it soon turns into a blame/defense game, even as So steps up to admit to killing the monks and burning the temple. But before the blame can shift to him, eighth prince Wook steps up (or kneels) to defend So’s actions—he wanted to erase any evidence that could be used to frame the “innocent” queen.

So claims Wook’s statement to be true, and needless to say, the queen looks decidedly unhappy with So’s attempt to protect her.

When Lady Hae finds the servants arguing over who gets the unwanted task of delivering So his meal, the responsibility falls to an unwilling Su, who has to climb her way up a mountain to reach him. He stiffens a bit to see her, likely uncomfortable after his show of emotion yesterday, and tells her to just leave the food.

She tries to comply, but can’t help herself from sitting back down—she has to take the empty plates back anyway. He warns her against saying anything about what she saw yesterday, and she’s quick to remind him that she has better things to do than go around talking about him.

Noticing that he’s eating within perfect vantage point of the palace, Su comments on the palace being his future home. So doesn’t appreciate the warm sentiment, because in order for it to be home, he’d have to have a family. But his mention of that sparks Su’s interest, as she turns around to ask him why he went on such a rampage yesterday.

He’s shocked by her boldness as well as her closeness, and suddenly blusters a question of his own: How did she get into the royal bath that day, anyway? Su’s quick to avoid that question, which means that So gets a free pass on answering hers.

So seems to have warmed up to Su as they walk back from the mountain, and finds her lack of grace amusing. He reaches out to take her burden from her, but she’s oblivious, and he retracts his hand before she can realize he even offered it. He can’t help but laugh just a little (but not like a crazy person this time).

Wook and Su stand vigil by the ill Lady Hae’s bedside that night. She sends Su away to speak to her husband alone, but Su overhears Lady Hae tell her husband to take a second wife. Lady Hae knows that she’s too ill to perform her duties as a wife, and entreats her husband to marry another girl or divorce her—only then can she die peacefully.

Even though Wook refuses, Lady Hae repeats her request. Then she hesitates as she adds, “I know that you don’t… love me.” Tears form in her eyes as well as his, but it seems a truth they both know all too well.

Errant tenth prince Eun comes upon Su brooding, and brings her a host of toys to play with, claiming he just bought everything since he didn’t know what she would like. Aww. She calls him out for playing with such things at his age, and his forlorn reaction is adorable.

Despite her less than friendly reception, Eun still wants to do whatever he can to help lift her spirits—he’s a prince, after all. “Are you married?” she asks, clearly wanting some insight into the life of a married prince like Wook. But he takes it as her asking about his availability and gets hopelessly excited as he replies, “Not yet.” Hah.

He thinks he’s being interviewed for his suitability as a husband, so when Su asks if he’d take another wife should his become ill, he puffs his chest out as he replies that he’d never do such a thing. Su sighs that it would be nice if everyone was just like him, leaving Eun to gleefully mull over how fast she’s moving.

Su gives Chae-ryung instructions to hide the hairpin So left behind in a place where he’s not likely to find it right away (so he’ll think he just misplaced it on his own), but things look bad for the slave girl when Princess Yeonhwa walks in to find her rummaging around the prince’s things with a seemingly stolen hairpin in her hand.

Chae-ryung gets whipped for stealing, but Su comes to her defense, claiming that she told Chae-ryung to put it in the prince’s quarters. Princess Yeonhwa isn’t inclined to take her word for it, and Wook comes by just as Su tells the princess to whip her instead.

The princess is all too happy to comply, and the princes watch as Yeonhwa ties Su up and strikes her twice. But before any of the princes can interfere, it’s actually So who comes to the rescue. Su turns around to meet his gaze, and he replies to Yeonhwa’s questions about who Su is to him by telling his half-sister, “She belongs to me.”

Su looks at him unblinkingly, and he reiterates his statement, sending a small smile her way. Princess Yeonhwa is defeated when Eun comes to Su’s defense, as well as Wook. But the look she sends Su’s way as she and Chae-ryung go looks positively murderous. (Did Chae-ryung and Prince Won share a moment with that glance?)

Of course, Yo is the only prince to commend Princess Yeonhwa for doing the right thing, since twisted minds think alike. So doesn’t leave without making Yeonhwa give the hairpin back, though she quips that it’s unlike him to stop her from doing anything. “You don’t have feelings for her, do you?” she asks, and So’s restrained answer doesn’t seem to help ease her mind.

Wook stops So before he can leave to set him straight on one thing: Nothing in this place belongs to him. Not his sister Yeonhwa, or his wife’s cousin, Su. He warns his half-brother against behaving carelessly again when it comes to his people.

Su cries in bed that night, and Wook stays respectfully outside her door as he announces that he’s brought her medicine. He hopes that she’ll be able to forget what happened today too, which causes her to jump out of bed to see him face-to-face. He hands her the box of medicine personally, and she apologizes for pretending to be asleep—she was just embarrassed to see him.

Wook smiles knowingly as he tells her he already knew. It’s not the pain that bothers her, she says, but the disrespect. She asks if Goryeo really is the kind of place where someone can be tied up and beaten like an animal, and Wook can only reach out a hand to comfort her. “I’m sorry I could not stop it. But, I promise you this: No one will ever be able to treat you in such a way again. Trust me.”

It’s enough to make Su waver, and she forces herself to think of Lady Hae in order to break the moment.

Sometime later, Su seems to just be minding her own business as she paces, but when she turns around, she bumps right into So. She confronts him over the whole “She belongs to me” business, which only causes an amused So to ask her if she doesn’t know how to just say “Thank you.”

Su’s ready to argue still, going on about how he always wanted to kill her but now is all about saving her, until she finally murmurs a simple “Thank you.” When asked about where she found the hairpin, she admits she found it in the bath, but didn’t say anything because he was so adamant about her saying nothing about seeing the scarred side of his face. Well, she did keep her promise.

“Are you not scared of me?” So asks wonderingly, noting how she’s so quick to talk back to him. She says she’s still wary around him, but isn’t scared of him anymore. Still, she won’t have him going around saying she belongs to him either—she’s not a thing to be owned.

Finding this amusing, So leans in until she’s having to lean backward to keep some distance between them. “Then… should I call you ‘my person?'” he asks, which gets a stutteringly uncomfortable response from Su, which serves to keep him entertained.

Fourteenth prince Jung is back to fighting in the market while disguised as a commoner, but he’s dragged away by some shady men when his true identity is discovered. Upon seeing him, Su sends Chae-ryung to get help while she pursues them, catching So’s eye in the process.

The men drag the prince to a bamboo forest, where their leader shows Jung the stump of a right arm he has, which he claims was his fault. He won in a fight against Jung, which prompted the queen to punish him by having his arm chopped off, something Jung had no knowledge of.

The leader plans on returning the favor by ridding Jung of his arm, but just before he strikes, Su comes running and screaming, brandishing nothing but a branch. Oh, Su. Not the brightest hanbok in the wardrobe, is she.

At least the diversion is enough for Jung to free himself, and her very unladylike threats do take the men by surprise.

Meanwhile, Princess Yeonhwa excitedly announces that Lady Hae has requested a divorce from Wook in front of their mother, Queen Sinjeong. Wook isn’t pleased with her outburst, despite Yeonhwa seeing this as an opportunity for her brother to marry advantageously. At least the queen recognizes the good that Lady Hae brought to their family, and seems disinclined to throw her daughter-in-law away so easily.

They’re interrupted when Chae-ryung brings news of Su, causing Wook to instantly jump to his feet.

With his back to Su’s in the forest, Jung apologizes for getting her involved. Her advice is for them to make a run for it, which doesn’t jive with Jung’s pride, and gets them embroiled in an actual fight. Jung curls himself around Su in order to protect her from the blows as he promises to protect her, causing Su to hilariously wonder, “Who’s saving who?”

But then it’s Wook to the rescue, and he’s surprisingly adept at throwing grown men far out of his way. It’s enough to cause the others to fall back as he checks in on a relieved Jung and Su, moments before the men resume their attack.

Wook is vastly outnumbered, but even so, he’s much faster and stronger than his opponents. It’s only when more men materialize out of the bamboo that he begins to look worried, but they all disperse when they see the infamous So, the dog-wolf, ride up.

Even though So asks Jung if he’s hurt, Jung would rather not acknowledge So’s contribution to saving his arm, instead thanking Wook. (Wook, for his part, did try to get him to thank So.) Jung thanks Su as well, promising to treat her life as though it were his own from now on… only for Su to pat him on the back and talk to him like a doting older sister.

Jung is surprisingly fine with that, and even goes so far as to call Su “Hae Su Nooeui,” an archaic form of “noona.” Su gets so caught up in the moment that she gives Jung a good ol’ “Fighting!”, and it’s adorable to see him try to wrap his mind around such a strange word.

Wook won’t slow down for Su on their way home, causing her to wonder if he’s angry. She gets him to stop by feigning pain in her leg, but he grabs her by her shoulders and forces her to face him. Finally, he says, “I thought I had lost you. I thought… I wouldn’t be able to see you again. I was scared.” Awwwww! Stahp it, you guys.

He starts leaning in as though to kiss her… but the moment is broken by the search party out to find them, which includes Lady Hae. Wook just walks away from all of them. At least all the showers in Goryeo were cold, right?

So takes Jung to task for not taking responsibility for his actions, which caused a man to lose his arm. Jung doesn’t take kindly to being lectured by his older brother, and pushes all the most hurtful buttons So has, even ending his tirade by repeating what third prince Yo said about being embarrassed to have come from the same womb as So. (Yo, So, and Jung are all direct brothers.)

Jung gets a slap across the face for that remark, which is right when Queen Sinmyeongsunseong comes in. She shoves So away to tend to the son she actually loves, and Jung suddenly changes his stripes to defend his brother, claiming that he saved his life earlier. Mommy Dearest couldn’t care less.

She orders So out only after she makes him swear not to go near Jung again, and as he brushes past his younger brother, he makes a remark about him living behind their mother’s skirts. Burn. The familial strife is enough to bring angry tears to Jung’s eyes, even as the queen fawns over him worriedly.

Wook gallops his horse through the forest, coming to rest at a secluded spot. There, he struggles with his feelings, while Su does the same from her bed. So does some sorting out of his own while rearranging the prayer stones he’d thrown around during his tirade, though of course, his thoughts are of his mother.

Crown Prince Mu takes So to the king, and makes an entreaty for So to live in the palace as one of his people. Astronomer Choi helps out by saying he saw the fourth prince’s star rising over the palace, but it’s of no use when the king calls So out on account of his mother, who tried to kill the crown prince. And his brother, Yo, who wants to be the crown prince. Sharp king.

So claims to share none of his family’s aspirations, but when he’s asked about the household he was adopted into, he grits out that he was never treated as a son—he was a hostage, and his father knew this well. He pledges his fealty to his father and the crown prince, saying he’ll live as a loyal subject from here on out.

After hearing Astronomer Choi’s pro-So advice, King Taejo relents, and announces that from this day forward, So will live in the palace.

It’s a much more somber affair in Wook’s home during his dinner with his wife, and he’s not doing the best job hiding his inner turmoil from her. Lady Hae invites Su to sit down with them to eat, and despite the awkwardness, Su has no choice but to acquiesce.

Wook is short with his words at the table while Lady Hae just expresses her concern for her cousin. She wants Su to take up more womanly and safe ways to spend her time, like needlework. I feel like that’s as close to putting a helmet on Su as she can get.

When Su eventually leaves, she finds So messing with the prayer stones outside and stops him, thinking that he’s out to destroy them again. She’s surprised to hear that he’s rebuilding what he tore down, but even more surprised when he tells her that he’ll be moving into the palace. She’ll be seeing a lot less of him now.

Su gives him some parting words of advice on how to comport himself around others like she’s some sort of expert on the matter, but it’s all well-meaning. She hopes that he’ll eat and sleep well, and her concern softens his expression considerably.

She asks him why he’s looking at her like that, and he replies that it’s because he remembered how she’s not afraid of him. “I’m afraid of myself, not you,” she sighs. At least she’s quick to distract herself when she looks up at the stars, noting how she can see so many in Goryeo.

Of course, So doesn’t know what she means by that, but they’re both soon distracted by the falling snow. Su smiles innocently up at the sky, and So just stares at her. When she catches him, they’re both quick to look away, which, hah.

Wook also watches the falling snow, but So’s got a better vantage point, as he resumes his thoughtful staring at Su.

 
COMMENTS

It’s not a perfect situation to have one corner of the love triangle married, but setting aside that fact (somewhat jokingly, because we all know that this is entertainment and not a reflection of our own social mores, even if what we find entertaining can be a reflection in and of itself, [insert existential disclaimer here], so on and so forth), it’s kinda fun, isn’t it? What’s important in a case like this is for the characters involved not to ignore the fact that there are some majorly forbidden feelings going on, and on that front, it feels like Wook is doing more of the heavy lifting than Su. Though I guess we could just as easily say that she’s not the one blurting out what she really feels to him, so maybe she is doing a better job of this than he is.

Despite Su mentioning the differences she sees in Goryeo versus in her time throughout the episode, it so far hasn’t really felt as though she’s absorbed any of those differences, nor has she seemed to really take in what’s happened to her. It’s a misstep that I think happened early on with her initial reactions to her new world, and while she can comment on how the stars are different in Goryeo and how the treatment’s worse, something about it all just isn’t hitting home for me. I wish I could put my finger on exactly what it is—whether it’s writing, acting, or both—but I’m not sure I’ve actually bought into her character yet. Maybe it’s that she acclimated so quickly, and so we’ve been robbed of most of the fish-out-of-water moments we’d expect from seeing a modern girl thrust into a decidedly un-modern world.

But all that’s about to become as dead a horse to beat as the one So cut down in the first episode, so I’ll just try to remain cautiously optimistic for the time being. The thing is, I want to like Su because I like the characters who like her, and that’s almost enough. And while the main love triangle certainly wins all the brownie points, I’m really enjoying her interactions with the other princes we’ve gotten to spend some individual time with so far. I especially like that while three of those princes think of her romantically, she unknowingly friend-zoned Jung, and the thought of those two sharing future noona/dongsaeng moments is enough to put a smile on anyone’s face.

Eun’s crush on Su is as adorable as it is harmless, and the scene where he brought her a box of toys had me sold. Su’s worldly enough to realize he has a crush on her, but doesn’t seem to think of him coming from that perspective as much when she’s lost in thought. It’s funny to see how the two of them are on completely different pages when they interact, but it’s really endearing that Eun makes a good sounding board for her, however vacant he may sometimes be.

Of course, the unexpected turnaround came from So this hour, who warmed up to Su a lot sooner than I would’ve expected. The scene where she comforted him during his tirade made sense as to why he’d soften toward her, even though it seemed a rather uncharacteristic way for her to act under that sort of pressure. Still, if she can be a source of comfort for So’s tortured soul, I’m all for it. After this episode, he needs whatever comfort he can get.

Even with the intensely well-acted insights we got into So and Queen Sinmyeongsunseong’s relationship, it’s hard to understand exactly why she has so much hatred toward him. He’s not a son born of a concubine that she’s had to just put up with, but her own flesh and blood child born of the king, so what makes him less than her two other sons? I’d like to think that she’s just manifesting her guilt toward scarring his face into hatred, but that may be giving her more credit than she deserves. At least there was a turning point in their relationship this episode, enough to where So will (hopefully) stop seeking her approval. Or maybe nothing says “I love you, Mom” like a pile of burned corpses.

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Hi,

I'm a little confused about the recap...

When they were all discussing the Queen in front of the king. Didnt So say with regret he tried to cover up for her by burning the temple & then said the Queen was guilty. Along with with wook and the crown prince.

I'm pretty sure he exposed her at that moment, not protected as written in the recap.

Lmao I'm worried there might be something wrong with my subtitles :')

Thanks

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It occurs to me that this episode is very much about foreshadowing, particularly in regards to Wook and So. Twice during this episode, Wook goes to help Su but in both cases it is So that succeeds. The first time, Wook's indecision and slowness allows So to be the one to stop Yeon Hwa from whipping Su first. The second time, Wook charges in WITHOUT thinking, makes a valiant effort, but it is not enough as he has underestimated the foe, allowing So once again to be the hero and saving Su.

It's possible that both indecision and overconfidence are the failings Wook might demonstrate in his wooing of Su and lead ultimately to his failure.

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That's a good catch - I assumed it was more about the kdrama convention that the hero is always the one who gets to rescue his (eventual) girl first, but I liked that Wook actually did get to her and Jung first in the forest, only for So to come up and out-hero them all by just trotting in on his not-white horse to save the day. Though it's still Wook who gets to lead her away, too - that's a slight change from kdrama convention in these situations.

(also, I love the music cue on So's entrance - it's the same one that we got when the princes minus him were in the bath, but it fits nicely here)

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Oh, and did anyone else catch that Wook referred to Yo being married too? I thought he was the only married prince so far but it looks like we're wrong and the other princes' brides just haven't been seen yet (since #3 prefers to spend all his time with Mommy Dearest)

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Yes I did catch that. It surprised me that 10th isn't married because someone made a chart - was it on dramafever? Cant rememer - showing he was married.

They're all adult men. I'd have thought they were all married youn and breeding like rabbits by now, except 4th because of his exceptional circumstances. Anyway, Crown Princd, 3rd and 8th are all married, who aside from 4 are closest heirs to the throne.

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*Spoiler!!!*

That's because 10th will get married later on in the show, however at present he's single ^^

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3rd is married? When did 8th implied that?

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When he's talking to his mother and sister about the prospect of remarriage - he insists he won't marry for obvious political reasons like #3.

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Oh that's a really good point because in dramaland, the hero usually gets there first, and that is what distinguishes him from the second lead (with the running implication that if the second lead had not been delayed by some happenstance, maybe he would have had a chance with the female lead.) But here, it's true that Wook got there first both times, but it was his own personality that led to the scene proceeding as it did, not any circumstance beyond their control. I like that their personality often guides action, not necessarily known drama tropes.

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Yes, you've put that very well.

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@Barbrey, omg I'm glad that you mentioned this!

I'm curious to see how Wook will be affected by So+Su as the drama goes on. I'm wondering if he will change for the worse.

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HeadsNo2, thanks for the fast recap!
This episode was so good, I'm 100% sucked in now.
I think Hae Soo's change from fear to worry about Su was in the last episode when she saw him without his mask, his reaction certainly made ME want to give him a hug.
And after she had that heart-to-heart with Wook about how he had to kill people since he was a kid, so I feel like her understanding about this time broadened as evident when she talked to Su later.

Junki killed the scene with his mother, the closer-close-ups finally worked for me here. the emotions in his eye were brilliant.

I still wish we would get better suited bgms thought, most of the current ones distract me from the atmosphere in the drama instead of enhancing it. Just please, give me a pretty, while sad-melody ala Lan Ling Wang.

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Lee Jun Ki deserves all the love and then some for his work in this series, but Kang Ha Neul is stealing the show for me. First, it's a character-thing: I've always been more partial to the responsible guy who tortures himself over the right thing to do than the bad boy in black. It's not that I can't appreciate the bad boy in black in all of his glory ('cause I can, don't get me wrong) but at the end of the day, the man that takes it upon himself to fix everybody else's problems before he even worries about his own will always have my heart. And secondly, well, it's Kang Ha Neul. I'm a big fan. I have been since Heirs. I appreciate the nuances in his acting. The micro-expressions, the change of tone in his voice and mainly, I love that he is absolutely ALIVE in every frame. Even when all he gets to do is watch other characters have a discussion, I can see the wheels turning in his brain.

Again, like others have said, Lee Jun Ki is Lee Jun Ki and nobody will ever take his place. But I'm on board of the Kang Ha Neul train.

Also, apologies if I spell names wrong. Korean is like, my sixth language and I'm nowhere near as proficient as I should be. Sorry :(

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I feel like the writing/directing aren't a good fit for IU's acting - she only truly wins me over when she's serious? Other than that, when she giggling or being over-the-top it's just...no thanks.

I wasn't expecting So to warm up to her so quickly either, but I thought they got the necessary plot points in for that to happen (i.e. the prayer stones).

I don't remember if they explained in the Chinese version why 4th Prince's mother preferred 14th over him...

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As always, Lee Junki never fails to deliver such excellent emotions! We can especially see this on the very first scene when he was talking with his mother. You can really see the hurt in So's face as he is unable to get the love that he has been longing for all throughout his life. It's also really sad to know that most of his brothers can't seem to accept him or treat him one of their own.

I've always wondered as well as to why the mother can't seem to treat So like her other sons. It's not like he did anything wrong to have caused him to be disliked that way. Its just kind of sad to watch.

But then, although I do love Junki a lot in this drama, I just can't help but notice Ha Nuel more. His acting was really good so far and I just can't help but fall in love with his character more and more as I watch this show. The look in Wook's eyes especially when he was all worried about Su being in danger. Hoping to see more of this in the upcoming episodes. Although, I would also love more of Su and So's moments as well. <3

I'm also liking Hae Soo a lot here. Although she may always cause trouble both inside and outside the palace, kudos to her and her bravery to step up when someone's in trouble. Hehe! Its also nice to watch her interact with So and treating him equally like any other person. She's not afraid to approach him despite the rumors spreading about him. Its really a good sight to see someone who can actually make So soften up a little from time to time.

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From possible incest, polygamy, slavery, assassinations, horse killings, mass murders, weird bathing habits and a whole lot of beautiful manly hair... All I can say is, what happens in Goryeo, stays in Goryeo.

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lololol

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This should soooo be in the Beans of Wisdom. ))

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The clear sky full of starts though! Darned pollution.

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It's not mainly pollution but because of high-rise buildings and the city lights.

I used to live in the city. But living now in Hawaiian Suburbs. I can really tell the difference. My island have observatories and they have a limit on high the buildings should be. They don't want to obscure the stars. And true enough, in a perfectly clear skies. I'm like bathing with stars. Lol. It's so magical.

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I am confused a bit so someone please help me out. I am new to sageuks. The only drama I've watched that could be remotely called a sageuk is "Goong" (I can see rolling eyes!! )..
Well, yeah so my confusion here is (dunno how to go about this without sounding dumb), how can someone marry his own half sister, going by the history that is stated? Is it like Egyptian Pharoah thing? Also is it usual for kings to have too many wives and still claim that you love someone? Was there no punishment for infidelity, like banishment? I am surprised at the relationship tangles in this story what with its overwhelming cast.. Explains if this should all be just taken at entertainment value.

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In historical times it was normal in some countries for royal families to marry family members, even the European royal families married their cousins even if they never married brothers or sisters. This is just a different system.

Ànd kings keeping many wives but loving one was quite normal in many countries. There's a popular film in my country called Jodhaa Akbar which is about a Mughal emperor and his wife's love story..... but in real life even though she was his best, he had many other wives.

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Thank you!

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Does anyone also feel that Su pretty much acclimatize so quickly for a modern day girl, not much missing the tech stuff, wifi & all, the food, transportation, toilets.... ;P
But then, being surrounded by jaw dropping princes helped heehehehe.
All in, it's a entertaining show, note on the beginning states "This drama has taken a 'creative' license to history" So I'll expect that writer-nim would spin off from actual history & give us a bit of a twists later on.

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I think they don't want to dwell so much in acclimatization. I kindof like this approach. Because like Hae Soo said. All she needs to do is stay alive.

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Darn I'm loving this show. Every time Wang So smiles it's a delight. I swear after the smile at the snowfall he made this face like - What is this feeling? LJG is so amazing.

I'm enjoying Hae Soo too. I admit I'm really hoping that she pulls away from Wook, I just can't come at the second wife, sharing the husband with her Unnie/Mother. That just doesn't sit well for me, particularly because Lady Hae is basically only doing it because she can see that her husband likes her daughter figure. Even though I admit KHN and IU have great chemistry, I just can't really support the pairing.

Also, I mean I love Wang So and Hae Soo together. She's the first person to treat him like a human being and not a beast or a nuisance. I love that they keep connecting when he needs some compassion to bring him back from the edge.

I also like Hae Soo's sense of justice which is slowly infecting the brothers (10, 14, 8 and eventually 13).

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http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/677096.shtml

I remember reading this piece on BBJX long back. K-dramas I think often shift the focus away from the female protagonist. Sure there is eye-candy and infatuated princes elsewhere but it is vicariously experienced through the female lead. Judging from the comments on the K-drama, there is a greater investment in the life of the male lead as opposed to that of the female lead. In that sense - and I can be corrected here since I have only read recaps - ML seems to fall between two stools. It neither seems to successfully replicate the female character of BBJX who speaks to a modern Chinese woman nor does it seem entirely geared to the traditional sageuk audience. Perhaps that explains the low ratings?

PS: A lot of my Chinese friends loved BBJX, even non drama watchers. But they seemed equally invested in the history, in the presentation of the drama and the romance and I don't get that sense here.

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I can't wait for ep5..and to know after ep 5 i have to wait another 6 days for ep 6..
Tq headsno2 for recapping so fast..your recap and all of you all comments is how i cope in waiting for the next episode

All the discussion were so fun and mostly were informational and the historical facts i get from you all commenters are so intellectual..i feel like i was in a academician debate drama/history major (i'm an academician in geosciences..our debate is mostly not as fun as here)
it make me not feel guilty over the hours i spent watching historical drama
A praise of all of the commenters that you all were so civil and very nice and not rude at all..
I start silent reading DB recap from SFD..(great and awesome drama btw) and i guess i'm up one level now and addicted to read and write comment..
if only comment activity add to rating..i would put thousands of comment..

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God I love this show!
I don't know if it is just me being weird but i really don't like Wook ( the actor on the other hand is really good). Its just that something about Wook annoys me a lot and i cannot really put my finger on it. That is why i cannot really get 100% behind his and Su's possible love line.
So on the other hand.. I just want to give a huge hug and tell him that don't worry there are others who love him. The scenes with his mother just about killed me. Though I do like So and Su's paring I just feel that the complete turnabout regarding their relationship is a tad bit weird. It just seems to come too soon, not that i am complaining about smiling and semi mischievous So- i am not. It for some reason does not seem really organic and i feel that there are some parts missing.
Now for my puppy Jung, how cute is he?

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Jung is so cute. It's really the Ji Soo effect again you just end up liking him.

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I know, I really hope he has a happy story and i want some bromance between Jung and So.

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Yo is horrible but at least I want Jung and So to have a good brother relationship not poisoned by the Queen.

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.. loved the ep.4. it shows the soft side of the 4th prince, it made me teary eyed.
by the way, just yesterday, 2 of my friends asked me if i know about LJK & scarlet hearts & i excitedly answer a big YES!
they said that they loved the first 3 episodes & looking forward to watch the ep.4.?
just like me, they loved it too. they said LJK is really handsome & also the other 7 princes.?
i do hope the ratings will get better but nonetheless, i & my friends will still watch this till the end.

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What is really interesting to me is that it seems a lot of complaints re: this drama arise from the fact that the characters don't behave as archetypes. They often don't behave as we expect a character of their "type" to. Our reading is not informed by "would this specific character behave in this specific way in this specific situation"; it's more "shouldn't every single person ever put in this situation behave in this particular way?" Which is where I feel a lot of comments about Hae Soo arise.

In universe, she and her behavior are fairly consistent, but most of the imposition is out-of-universe. We have pre-set expectations of how a character put in a situation like hers should behave (and that doesn't require the individual Hae Soo at all, it requires any character, i.e. it requires almost no individuality, and whatever character you put in the situation is interchangeable with any other character put in the situation), and when she doesn't act that way, it sort of gives rise to some discontent because we don't entirely understand why she wouldn't behave according to how we expect her to re: her easy acceptance of Goryeo. But that is precisely what I think I love about the drama, the characters constantly upend my expectations about their actions, because they have a lot of individuality in that regard. They're not easily interchangeable depending on the situation, because they react how THEY would in a situation, not any person put in the same situation. Or at least that's my personal reading of it, though I'm sure a lot of people would disagree.

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I would argue the problem is that each character behaves exactley as we would expect each character in drama to behave with no deviations- Hae Soo being cliche heroine, who is not smart but kind and is there to treat whatever wounds poor 4th has, literally and figuratively speaking, Wang Soo is typical tsundere character, just loaning for love and understanding and for someone who will see all the layers of the onion, Wook is typical second lead without any faults, knight in shining armours, on the other hand, if you mean that they are behaving against what people who know original had in mind , then I would probably agree, many would be unsatisfied with how korean version is written, so they would just need to forget the original, cause Korean version would definitely loose such comparison and just treat it as a different story.
I personally really felt so awful watching So going to his mother and waiting for her to be happy that he covered up for her, I started to really doubt his mental health and intelligence at this point tbvh

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I would disagree. The Hae Soo discussion itself shows she doesn't necessarily behave in a way that we expect a character put in her situation to behave (re: the 'why are there no more fish-out-of-water' moments.) Wang So is not typical tsundere because he's never been shown as "cold", which is why people are so surprised that he's warmed up so much to Su in such a short time, because they expect him to be a typical tsundere character, even though he behaves consistently in-universe, in that he expects people to reject him and so he doesn't engage at all, but he has a good relationship with practically everyone who DOES engage with him. He's low-key friends with Ji Mong. He's definitely interested in Yeon Hwa who is also kind to him (and I really liked that he was the only person who acknowledged that she felt she had been disrespected in the whipping scene and apologized for it.) He's not being "changed" by Su as the typical narrative goes, he's only being acknowledged. And Wook doesn't strike me as a typical second lead either, because he's not a typical hero. His motivations are often unknown, he has just as much a role as So, even his knight-in-shining-armor moments are tainted because we've all seen his wife and she's a sympathetic character, which makes us second-guess him. And that he and Su have excellent sexual tension really makes the show both uncomfortable and interesting, because I love watching them navigate these areas instead of characters being delineated and behaving according to mere convenience (like it would have been much easier to make Lady Hae unsympathetic, or to follow the original and make her have no interest in him romantically, so people would feel comfortable in their reactions.)

They have characteristics of the archetype, but, for me, they upend those archetypes, which makes it interesting for me.

I personally really felt so awful watching So going to his mother and waiting for her to be happy that he covered up for her, I started to really doubt his mental health and intelligence at this point tbvh

He gave such a brutal account of his experiences, I don't think there's any doubt that it deeply affected him and there's a touch of obsession about how he interacts with his mother. He's shaped by his experiences.

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"He gave such a brutal account of his experiences, I don’t think there’s any doubt that it deeply affected him and there’s a touch of obsession about how he interacts with his mother. He’s shaped by his experiences."

^^^^ This. To borrow a quote from Hae Su, does Queen Seenmysanitylately not have blood or tears??? Your child just told you that he was LITERALLY thrown to the wolves, subjected to the whims of a crazy woman, starved for days on end and that's the way you react?? She's legit crazy, but I think to her, her sons aren't really children but more like a reflection of herself?

You have Yo, who she places her aspirations of power (as she can't become King, but she can be the power behind the throne).

Then Jung represents the part of her that needs to shine brightest and be loved by all? She pampers him as much as she does herself.

So, with his scarred visage represents everything she sees as ugly about herself- her failure to secure the King's attentions, she might associate him with the death of her first son...I really need to know if she blames Wang So for the death of her first born, who actually might've superseded CP Wang Mu to inherit- that could explain her rage at So.

Regardless, I agree that So is shaped by his experiences...he's definitely got an extremely dark side but he's had to fend for himself in a den of wolves and madness with barely a kind thought or ally to help him. That's enough to mess anyone up. I teared up when he was finally given leave to stay in Songak, and that was enough to overwhelm my need to kick King Tajeo's butt since he knew what they were doing to So. There better be much apologizing to the 4th Prince at some point!!

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All those non-typical moments is just writer's attempt to fit in all the story of 40 eps into 20, to me they all so cliche I just want to cringe every moment, I think I am going to drop this drama and just check recaps and comments, cause I don't know what route drama going to take , comments are entertaining

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That's a fundamentally different way of reading from how I approach texts, I'm firmly Death of the Author/Reader Response Theory. Unless I find the writing extremely terrible and clearly inauthentic, I go for in-text reading. Sorry that you're dropping it, I can understand it doesn't work for everyone, hope you find something good to replace it!

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If you could upvote a comment on dramabeans, I would upvote yours a million time.

I always felt the dynamics and characters in the drama worked, although I can't seem to place my finger on it, since there are many things that doesn't fit into you know the typical kdrama trope. But after reading your comments, I was totally enlightened.

I think that's the problem with kdrama though, there's a somewhat formular to most of them, and us as viewers are so used to it, that if it deviates ever so much, we seem to reject it or call it out for being illogical, cause to us it doesn't fit the "drama logic" we're so used to. It's true that over the years, there have been dramas that have slowly been breaking these "moulds", but those have all been contemporary dramas, and the reason people could accept them is because it's more realistic or something one can relate to. Let's welcome Scarlet Heart Ryeo as a breath of fresh air.

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(this drama don't spoon feed us)

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it's the bad development, people expected her to have some principle because she is the femalr lead.
People hope she brings something to the discussions table but she didn't.
If it's okau to make her behave irrational then all drama will be excuse and we can't criticize any developmental.

She stated she is older, ep 1 acted all giddily then turn melo, shut herself until trusted wook for just plot reason, then start giddily again , fight with the 8th princr and then being sad like she never remember she wasn't. Then acted all right activist towards So and so compassionate toward wook then angsty for life reason then kind to So suddenly.

Nothing is connected between the ploy and what she shown. She is childish and mature when the plot needed it and doesn't have any realisation moment alone, shr lacks individuality and growth, as much as I like the show, hae soo just became bearable at ep 4 and people criticism is valid imo

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Agree, there's absolutely nothing in her to make me like her, she probably will develop in the future and bring changes to Goreyo and help Wang So become a king, but still I don't believe such a simple and superficial person like her is capable of that kind of influence and intelligence and all development they give you from now on I will not believe

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idk, I think the whole point is development. So what if she's swept up by the romance of it all initially, I like that she's living a wanted existence after having been cheated on and is thus swept away with the whole idea of home and family and being desired, which may make her superficial but makes me like her BETTER than if she wasn't superficial. (She is used to making other people desirable, that's what she used to like about her job, so it's realistic to me if she enjoys the reversal.) Also, if four episodes in, you don't believe she could change in the next 17 episodes, then that's just setting yourself up to dislike the character regardless of what happens. Having a pre-set opinion like that will make everything, no matter how organic, no matter how well-developed feel inauthentic, and I don't think the plot can be blamed for that.

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We completely can't agree on anything in this drama, but your comments are really great and smart and I just go with my feelings after 3 eps and 5 mins of the 4th episode,lol, it usually difficult to me to go against my dislike of a character and that is the reasons I usually drop dramas, I know there's no need to ask dramas for smart plot or some deep meaning and don't expect that, I just want to like the characters and root for them and escape from reality, but in Scarlet Heart Goryeo I can't escape thinking that it's too much of a fairy tale, even tho based on the history , too much killing ( that even in savage time of Goryeo is out of place), no way such disfunctional person as Wang So can become a king, and no amount of Hae Soo's could help that, cause she's just lacks greatness of a person who can change the history, i don't see her as " ordinary person who had a great impact on a history", she's so mundane and I really don't like Park Shin Hye but I watched Pinnochio cause well, I couldn't ignore Lee jong Suk, and my adoration for Lee Jong Suk+ Shin Hye being convincing in her role, tho also a cliche role like IU's, made me like Shin Hye's character too and drama as a whole, but idk, maybe it's just IU not being able to sell her character, or the way character is written I just can't and don't want to believe what's going on in this drama, I might wait and give it a try again later, cause I so liked Lee Jun Ki in Running Man, I think he's so cute , so hoping SH will still turn the tables

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Hm. I wonder how much of much of the erratic behavior (she acts kiddish one moment and then her thoughts and when she's talking to herself are of a more serious nature) is due to the fact that outwardly she is a 16 year old girl, and therefore expected to act that way, meanwhile she has 23 years of life experience internally.

You can see it when she's with Lady Hae, she's much more deferential, meanwhile to the Princes 10 and 14, she acts like a 23 year old (or to them, it must look like an exceptionally bossy 16 year old pretending the 2 or 3 years that separate them are far greater). With Wang So as well, she doesn't act 16, but more like her real age. I don't know, that's my take on it.

I'll have to disagree about Hae Su being superficial though. She's in a crazy situation and has decided to try to make the best of it, showing that she's pragmatic and realistic about the things people sometimes have to do to survive. She clearly has thoughts on how beauty and status play have a huge role in life and how that hasn't changed even 1000 years later, she believes that those in higher positions have even greater responsibilities, fairness is important to her. Her character isn't super complex with a thousand layers, but I find that refreshing in a drama that has so many complex, multi-layered characters.

I don't find it hard to believe that a simple, straightforward person would be someone that say a Prince used to all sorts of trickery and double speak wouldn't be charmed and intrigued by, especially when the ideas they provide are so out of the norm for the time. I'm satisfied with how they're developing her character so far and looking forward to seeing how it progresses!!

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The whole point is actually was that 25 year old woman was reincarnated as 16 year old and used her life experience, knowldege of future to live through the period she was placed into, and every person behaves differently depending who they are with, like with childish people you feel the urge to be more responsible, with more thoughtful person you try to calm down, you always try to get to people's level, btw, I do find her too childish too on top of all other flaws.

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The FEEELS. You can only get those with superb acting, Kang Ha-neul and Lee Jun-ki 4life. I hope the ratings won't effect the episode count. Guess they can't change it in that regard since they've already sold the drama for I dunno I much ₩₩.

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I'm totally loving this drama, haven't been hooked on a K-drama since Man from the Other Star.

LJK as the 4th prince is PERFECTION! He got me hooked with just half a face.

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Lol, I just cannot get over how active and heated the comments sections for this drama are, where even a first-episode-of-the-week gets over 500 comments and that opinions are so divided (some people love the sexual tension between Wook and Su, others dislike them, and there are people trying to navigate the morally grey area and decide how they feel and debating ethics and history all together.) Makes watching the drama a lot more interesting.

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It's brilliant, isn't it? I'm always in favour of making a comment party out of our feels, whether they're on one side or the other.

and for the record, I love the sexual chemistry between Wook and Su - and it definitely has a sexual edge, which both does and doesn't surprise me. I guess the surprise part comes from the fact that kdramas so rarely emphasise the physical aspect of romance or sublimate it altogether, in favour of keeping things 'pure'. So I love that this vibe is being played out with a heroine/actress who on the face of it looks like the classic squeaky-clean female lead, but we still get to see the physical effect of Wook on her/how it makes her feel. And likewise for her effect on Wook - that aspect of forbidden in the near-kiss wasn't only about romance, it definitely feels like it was about desire too (acknowledging, of course, that those can and do overlap)

It's a different flavour from what she has with So, which is also incredibly appealing because I keep wanting to see how they interact - probably the #1 indicator of chemistry.

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Oh, and the reason why the sexual tension doesn't surprise me, has to do with IU and Kang Ha-neul themselves.

I think I'm going to bring up IU's mic-fixing scene in Producer forever in discussions of her later dramas, but she was phenomenal at putting across just how physically affected by proximity she was there. And after seeing Kang Ha-neul with Im Joo-eun in Heirs (though it wasted them both) and even in Monstar, I realised he's really good at turning sexy on a dime.

Put the two together, and you get something that borderline needs a fade to black if they look at each other a certain way (also, I think I saw it coming right from their Cosmo shoot)

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I think I started liking IU since her role in Producers. I vaguely remember the mic fix part, but I want to go back and rewatch it now that you mentioned it.

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I completely agree!! I mean, I honestly like that they're presenting history with some shades of grey, instead of conveniently moulding it to fit the sensibilities of a modern day audience. The incestuous vibes, the multiple spouses, etc. They're presented as a matter of fact, and allow the audience to make a decision about how they feel about it for themselves, instead of trying to guide their emotions too much (like I said, it would have been easy to make Lady Hae completely unsympathetic, but she's the opposite. Which is why even when she suggests Wook take another wife, even if she dies, the moral dilemma remains.) The moral conflicts are absolutely great.

I too love the Wook/Su sexual chemistry for exactly the reasons you mentioned; that it's a far cry from what we expect from a "pure" love, where desire is largely a factor that goes unrepresented and unacknowledged. Especially when it's the male second lead and the female lead, because it's always been my gripe that most female leads are kept pure for the male lead. Rarely do they have complex relationships with other men, and if they have any at all, it's puppy love or a crush or a past relationship or they're not interested in the least. (I'm facing this problem with Cinderella and the Four Knights right now lmao. Relationships that start off with potential, end up fizzling out, because it seems that the female lead cannot even consider the second lead as a potential romantic partner because it would undercut the 'meant to be' scenario that the OTP represents. Even in a drama like School 2015, which was so divisive, Eun Bi never looked at Tae Kwang romantically at all.)

And I love Su's physicality even otherwise, which is such a modern trait. She's not uncomfortable touching anyone, like in her scene with Jung, which took everyone aback but is such a normal thing to see in modern noona/dongsaeng relationships. Also, it was ridiculously sweet to see the way Hae Soo looked at Jung, like he was such an adorable creature. Or the casual way that she held and helped Chaeryung walk after the scene with Yeon Hwa. I like all these tiny details which emphasize the difference, rather than big scenes or declarations.

And I like that So and Su are getting comfortable with each other, how often do we get scenes where the female lead talks about her feelings for the male second lead without any interference or jealousy on the part of the male lead?

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Good points re: Su's very modern approach to physicality and the story not keeping her totally 'pure' for So, at least on the emotional side.

Come to think of it, modern-day Su/Ha-jin had a boyfriend. Most dramas would have just had her down in the dumps because of loan sharks or other money worries, but the fact that Su actually was in a relationship before isn't common for kdrama heroines, especially young ones.

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I think it because the controversy, undetailed plot that left people questioning here and there.
I like discussion but half of these bazillion comment probably the same with las week and complaining in the middle page

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also fangirling and fanfiction scenario

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Comments for most shows except perhaps W are often fangirling though, so it's not something unique to SH.

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Why the need to make judgement on the comments too? So what if people fangirl or complain or is the same as last week? Opinion is opinion, we are just expressing our thoughts.

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I was about to say the same, except more harshly. I'm happily reading along skimming the comments, then get pulled to an abrupt halt by these commentators who feel it their duty to denigrate the comments or other commentators.

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I like developments like that /shrug. Because I enjoy reading in-text and inferring from that rather than make out of the text judgments like "oh the writer must have done that because of XYZ out-of-text reason." (Firmly Death of the Author, lol.) I don't find the plot un-detailed- it's only the 4th episode, we're still in the set-up stage, I don't need every single thing spelled out for me, I like the uncertainty.

Also people don't complain about things they're not engaged with, so the bazillion comments still count. I don't spend all my time on comments threads for dramas that I am not interested in and if I take the time out to complain, I'm engaged.

Like, the moral superiority re: NOT liking Scarlet Heart in some comments or trying to downplay everything to the idol cast (while there are literally just TWO idols in the cast) is getting a bit tiring.

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she gives Jung a good ol’ “Fighting!”, and it’s adorable to see him try to wrap his mind around such a strange word.

My favorite part of that scene is So confusedly mouthing "What?" in the background. I want more like that, with the princes completely nonplussed by some bizarre turn of phrase that didn't come along for another thousand years.

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I love everything about that scene, and I'm not ashamed of it. From the way Su remained holding on to Jung, to So and Wook's stank faces while she hugged him (not that they would admit it bugged them, especially not Wook), right down to the 'fighting!'.

seriously, in that moment I thought I wouldn't mind an IU/Ji-soo drama someday.

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Kang Ha Neul and IU have such great chemistry but his wife is so nice, I feel bad for liking them together and it feels weird.

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I am more curious of how would Wang So come into power and so looking forward for the fighting scenes. Lee Joon Gi is really good in those action scenes.

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Why do i want more Wang Yo? He's evil but i cant really hate him. His eyes are so charismatic.

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LJK and IU are too cute :) :)

I dont like wook character(but i like kang haneul though :P).. He act so upright and understanding, but he doesn't love his wife??? I wonder why he married her then.... I understand that he could have married her due to circumstances. yet after he started living with her, has never felt an attraction towards her( i think it is not possible with her being nice and beautiful.. unless he had someone in his heart while he married her and I dont think it was Soo because it looks like he started liking her just now... I am thinking he could love his wife a little... Even the puppy EUN knows a man has to be loyal to one women :P
which means it was not unknown in those times.... *Sigh*

Why I took so long worrying about wook when I could just Swooon at my darling LJK(when he went " she belongs to me "...:P Even puppy Jisooo was good this episode..... Hope IU starts falling for LJK because he has already started to....... I love how IU asks him to eat and sleep well :) :) OTP(LJK & IU) :):P

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It sounds like Wook married his wife for strategic/political reasons and not really love, even though he's loyal to her (he's making a visible effort not to give in to his feelings for Su) and likes her a lot.

That kind of marriage was pretty commonplace all the way up to the twentieth century - people got married because they had to and because they were ok with the person they were marrying, not because they were in love, and they often didn't love each other even after the marriage.

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True that he would have married for political reasons.... But I dont know I cant accept it.... He is hurting her though..... It is very very sad to see how much she loves him and he is just kind (not equal to love) to her.....

What I am not able to understand is that how he never even felt an attraction to her after living with her for some years.... I wonder how.....

OK BANG.... I got it..... As time passes by, you get used to the person you live with, you care for them... But not necessarily fall in love.....

Ep 5 was DeabaK... Wowwww.... Disappointed that LJK did not hav much scenes....... Love the way he smiles at her.... He is smitten.......

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I liked So being conflicted about killing all the assassins at the monastery. I think that's why he loses it when he meets his mother, as mean as ever towards him, and he understands that she's not even grateful for what he did to protect her. At first I was not sure but then I knew he cared when he scolded his dongsaeng about the man who lost his arm (as a prince, Jung should think of the consequences and take responsibility when his actions go awry).
I also liked the way he denounces his mother to the king. I thought it was clever because he warned the crown prince (thanks to So everybody in the room knows the queen is involved in the assassination attempt) and his mother is still safe since there's no evidence (So burnt everything).
Imo, it shows So has what it takes to be taken seriously as a pretender to the throne.

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One thing I like about this story is how unpredictable it can get. Or how it sends us into a rollercoster ride in terms of emotions. It even make us question our own morality. This is not even a drama of similar thrill-suspense level of W but it makes people analyze the path the story is going to take and be surprised of the outcome, totally unexpected.

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Soooo many good comments to read...so little time. This may rehash what's been said but here goes anyway.

"I wish I could put my finger on exactly what it is—whether it’s writing, acting, or both—but I’m not sure I’ve actually bought into her character yet. Maybe it’s that she acclimated so quickly, and so we’ve been robbed of most of the fish-out-of-water moments we’d expect from seeing a modern girl thrust into a decidedly un-modern world."

I've been thinking that the lacking oomph in that conflict is rooted in a creative choice made by execs. They decided to aim the show at the youth market. And the fruit of that is that the show isn't able to create enough contrast between ancient and modern social norms.

For example to keep the tone of the show light they needed to lighten the tone of palace life. So instead of a conflict-rich setup, we get princes who constantly frolic and noisy, overly-'familiar' palace maids.

Also, I think JBs podcast comments about avoiding showing the 'margins' of an actor's range applies. It's seemed like they're going to lengths to stay within the range of the overall cast. The characters charms rely on male aegyo and youthful antics. Which again, makes palace life seem more modern than ancient. You can't envision the princes in this version calling her the 'death seeking second sister' because her behavior is so inappropriate. If they did they'd seem capricious and unlikeable, because their own behavior is inappropriate.

Finally, the format is much shorter than the Chinese version. So they need to get her from palace newbie to palace insider in much quicker fashion. There's no time to develop that conflict.

So, all considered, they're simply skimming over the fish-out-of-water conflict. That conflict would be for a drama that isn't trying hard to appeal to the teen demographic.

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GOOD GRIEF! CAN THEY PLEASE STOP IT WITH THE ZOOMED-IN CLOSE UPS EVERY 5 SECONDS?? I CAN SEE EVERY NOSE HAIR AND PORES. Who edited this episode? I didn't think it was this bad the first three episodes but I can barely get through this episode without cringing at every TALKING HEAD. I feel like I'm watching a bootleg copy on DF!

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The funny thing is, as many flaws I see in this drama, i don't see zooming in and close up shots as a problem, I don't even pay attention to them, probably cause I just skipped a lot through the episodes

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This is what I call acting. Lee Joon Gi is simply amazing. I really do not know any other actor that can convey so many different feelings and sides of a person in a matter of seconds, than he does.
The beginning of episode 4 left me speechless. All those raw emotions...

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How his eyes just lost that very last spark of hope in opening his mother’s eyes to him.

The anguish.

Despair.

Disappointment.

Sadness.

Anger.

Hopelessness.

Mixed into the fiery coals of his burning heart, his emotions threatened to spill over and out of control, so much so that he couldn’t even stand properly, this man who slaughtered a whole assassin organisation like they were nothing but pigs. Her words crushed him more than the heaviest hammer would, bringing him crashing to the ground.

Does she not know how he feels? I bet she does. And she, manipulative and heartless, probably delights in shoving then in his face. Is he not armed? Yes, but not against the one thing that causes him the most grevious injury. His sword might impale the chests of enemies, but her tongue pierces the depths of his heart and ruthlessly rends it.

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I can't believe this show is doing worse than Moonlight. I had high expectations from moon light. I usually enjoy gender bender. On the other hand I almost had no plan for watching Moon Lovers. Moon Lovers early synopsis/photo shoots made me think its a reverse harem type of plot and I am not a fan of any sort of harem.
But I watch one episode anyway and I am really loving it.
I watched Moonlight and just couldn't do it. I couldn't make myself watch the second episode...
So I am surprised to see such high rating for Moonlight and such low rating for Moon Lovers :(

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GUYS EMERGENCY!
Currently looking for the BACKGROUND INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC playing during the 4th episode at this moment:
Wook won’t slow down for Su on their way home, causing her to wonder if he’s angry. She gets him to stop by feigning pain in her leg, but he grabs her by her shoulders and forces her to face him. Finally, he says, “I thought I had lost you. I thought… I wouldn’t be able to see you again. I was scared.”
PLEASE HELP ME GUYS!!
thanks <3

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I continue to love this show more and more with every episode! (Maybe since this is my first proper historical drama since Splash Splash Love, I may be a bit biased but oh well!)
I absolutely love Su (or Ha Jin?) and the part where she goes all karate kid on the thugs threatening the 14th Prince had me cheering her on loudly (and laughing quite a bit too!). Though it does feel like she’s become used to her new world a bit too quickly, somehow the way IU acts makes it feel realistic. The way she constantly referred to the point when she entered Goryeo as ‘after her death’, makes me feel like she’s treating her experience as a new life, with fond memories of her previous one.
I have to say, it warmed my heart when Su stepped in in place of Chae Ryung. Though it was a natural step for her, it was shocking for everyone else, accustomed to the social hierarchy of that world. And in response to my own earlier comment, I can see how it was important for her to have come from a different time - it’s her uniqueness that makes her the central heroine, doing things very differently, and on a less serious note, providing most of the comedy!
This episode, I was quite puzzled with how quickly So warmed to Su, and his multiple facets feel a little strange. I mean, he goes from “I was thrown into a den full of wolves and emerged after killing them all to survive + maniacal laugh” to being sweet and caring towards Su and Yeon Hwa (“I’m sorry if I disrespected you Yeon Hwa”). It felt a little fast for me, and there was something strange about the quick flip between personalities. It still kills me every time he looks at his mother with those simultaneously hopeful, disappointed and resigned eyes. And I still hate Queen Yoo, with quite a passion now. The King falls into the mean category as well - he seems to care about no one but his precious crown prince. Another slightly strange thing was how Jung switched from being terrified of So to being able to boldly talk back to him. Was it the influence of Yo and his mother’s behaviour? At any rate, he still cares for So, and so, thankfully isn’t in the same category as his mother.
I’d heard that Moon Lovers was a drama that caused you to cry your eyes out. So far, I love the mix of comedy, sadness and fun that the show’s bringing us. Despite all I’ve heard, I still have my fingers crossed for a happy ending!!

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