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Vincenzo: Episode 8

When Jipuragi learns that Babel intends to join hands with a prominent bank with its own history of trampling on whoever gets in their way, our unconventional lawyers decide to get in their way. This time, it’s our eccentric heroine who comes up with a daring scheme that relies on our lead’s charm and ability to swindle. If they can pull this off, they’ll not only deal another major blow to Babel, but they’ll also revel in some personal revenge.

 
EPISODE 8

After the fight, everyone is taken down to the police station where CEO Park and his men whine behind bars about how the tenants started it. Everyone’s looking pretty rough, but Monk Chaeshin wins for having a perfect shoe imprint on his shiny bald head.

Cha-young cuts in amongst all the yelling – Vincenzo has been delegated as her purse holder – and explains the situation. To prove the tenants were acting in self-defense, Young-ho plays the video he recorded.

They have a celebratory dinner and lament not taking on CEO Park earlier, patting themselves on the back for their superior fighting skills. The tenants all thank Vincenzo for helping them find their confidence and fighting spirit.

Team Leader Ahn watches Vincenzo and credits him with inspiring everyone through his strength and leadership. His idealism reaches a peak when he has the epiphany, “Vincenzo isn’t a mafioso; he’s Che Guevara.”

Elsewhere, Attorney Han and Myung-hee meet with Chief Prosecutor Hwang and his sidekick. Myung-hee struggles to contain her anger when Chief Prosecutor Hwang lords his “favor” over her head and tells her to handle his colleague’s reputation issue.

That night, Vincenzo walks Cha-young home. She’s brimming with questions about Vincenzo’s Mafia life, so he reluctantly answers two of them. He explains that working for the Mafia was just business and that the Mafia doesn’t have a problem killing people when necessary.

Before they part ways, Cha-young thanks him for springing her out of jail. Vincenzo reminds her she’s dealing with a Mafia member – favors must be returned.

The following day, while the tenants are interviewed for a news program, Joon-woo berates Myung-hee for needing Vincenzo’s help to secure Chief Prosecutor Hwang. Myung-hee blows up that she’s not used to losing either and is only putting up with Joon-woo’s abuse so she can take down Vincenzo and quit with dignity. Myung-hee yells at Joon-woo that she’ll win no matter what, using her methods he demeans.

Joon-woo is delighted by her fighting spirit and notes that he needs a demon not a lawyer. He ignores Attorney Han’s desperate attempts to be a part of the gang and tells Myung-hee to keep the prosecution under control. He also orders them to secure more funding seeing as Geumga Plaza blew up in their faces.

Myung-hee and Joon-woo meet with Cha-young and Vincenzo to negotiate terms of the settlement. Joon-woo plays his excitable puppy role and subtly indicates to Myung-hee that Babel is okay with the settlement.

Vincenzo assures them that they have no reason to come after Babel anymore. Why poke holes into a sinking ship? Vincenzo and Cha-young’s smugness gets to Joon-woo, but since he can’t show it, he just curses Vincenzo out in English in his notes. (Does it really count as cursing him out if the profanity is censored?)

Meanwhile, a few Babel directors nervously report their failure to Chairman Jang on the ice hockey rink. Perpetrating the same abuse his brother enacted towards him, Chairman Jang viciously shoots a puck at each of them before announcing they’re fired.

In his car, he excitedly opens the item he ordered: a handgun. Chairman Jang apparently has had quite the day of doling out punishment. We catch up with CEO Park and his crew who are locked in a freezer for the Geumga Plaza mess.

While Myung-hee calls Shinkwang Bank’s president HWANG MIN-SUNG (Kim Sung-cheol) for a favor, Vincenzo and Cha-young rush to the hospital. Kyung-ja is in bad shape and is only given days to live. Cha-young plans on getting a stay of execution for her due to her medical condition.

Kyung-ja wakes up, and Vincenzo reprimands her for letting things get this bad without saying anything. She doesn’t take her eyes off Vincenzo, even while explaining to Cha-young that she can’t afford treatment. Vincenzo offers to pay, but Kyung-ja doesn’t want to be indebted. Cha-young looks at him in surprise and concern when he yells at Kyung-ja to just accept it and walks out.

That night, Myung-hee meets with Min-sung and asks him to have Shinkwang Bank give Babel a fake loan to legitimize them so they can get real loans from other banks. He’s strongarmed into agreeing since Myung-hee has dirt on him from when she was a prosecutor.

Vincenzo bails on going with Cha-young to see Kyung-ja to discuss the stay of execution that was granted and instead meets with Young-woon who has good news. He discovered that the biometrics of the Chinese commissioner of the gold room are stored in one of his security systems. Young-woon will oversee a group of hackers to obtain the data.

Team Leader Ahn runs into Cheol-wook who’s hauling a bunch of digging tools toward Geumga Plaza. As he bluffs unconvincingly that he collects tools, they see Vincenzo and Young-woon across the street. Team Leader Ahn recognizes Young-woon but can’t place him.

Meanwhile, Min-sung goes to see Kyung-ja who receives him coldly. Ah, he’s the son of the chairman who assaulted her and who she was framed for killing. Cha-young comes in right as he presents an envelope of cash and warns Kyung-ja not to retry her case.

Min-sung and Cha-young face off, but Kyung-ja stops them and says she has something to tell Min-sung. He leans in close, and she grabs him by the hair and starts screaming at him. Cha-young pulls her off only to grab a fistful of his hair herself.

That night, the Jipuragi team listens in disgust to a news report about the illustrious Shinkwang Bank giving a loan to Babel. Cha-young fills Vincenzo in on Min-sung’s visit to Kyung-ja and announces that they need to take Shinkwang down.

Cha-young meets with her friendly ex-colleague again, and he slips her a USB drive. She’s promised to get him in with Joon-woo’s friend’s firm in Boston. Her ex-colleague complains about how Myung-hee is always asking him to do impressions. Cha-young commiserates and then asks him to do his spot-on Lee Sun-kyun impression.

Jipuragi discovers that Min-sung has been sued multiple times for assault. He’d approach men he was interested in, and if they didn’t do as he wished, he’d assault them. His victims were afraid of being outed as gay, so they didn’t go public. And now, Wusang is protecting him.

They need more to indict him, so Cha-young suggests sending in a pretty man to take him down. She describes Min-sung’s type while she and Joo-sung stare intently at Vincenzo until he catches her drift. He’s adamantly against it but ends up caving to peer pressure.

Min-sung is a momma’s boy who prefers the company of horses to people, so Vincenzo approaches him at the stables. Min-sung goes starry-eyed at Vincenzo’s beauty and can barely pull himself together. By the time Vincenzo seductively picks a straw off Min-sung’s collar, he’s a goner.

Both Min-sung and Cha-young – posing as a worker at the stalls – are dazzled into a stupor as Vincenzo rides Min-sung’s horse around the field. Min-sung asks him out for drinks that night, and Cha-young has to give Vincenzo a pep talk in the barn when he wants to back out.

Cha-young gets a little too boisterous around the horse, so Vincenzo grabs her and pulls her away, basically swooping her into his arms (in slow-mo, of course). He cautions her that it’s dangerous to startle a horse from behind and walks away, leaving her to catch her breath.

They really did their research on Min-sung and constructed Vincenzo’s fake identity “Tae Ho” to perfectly match his preferences. On their first date, Min-sung is already throwing words like soulmate around. Cha-young and Joo-sung encourage a reluctant Vincenzo from across the room as he easily wraps Min-sung around his finger.

After a few drinks, Vincenzo turns the conversation to Min-sung and his family business. Min-sung launches into how his father used to sexually harass women, but one of their housekeepers fought back and pushed him. He didn’t get back up.

The chairman’s wife saw this all go down, and she didn’t call for an ambulance. Vincenzo stares rapt as Min-sung says his mother let his father die out of greed – she’d always wanted Shinkwang Finance for herself.

Vincenzo struggles to control his expression when Min-sung nonchalantly states the housekeeper took the fall since their family naturally couldn’t sacrifice their reputation. Vincenzo’s resolve hardens. He touches Min-sung’s hand and asks to see him on the weekend.

Back at Geumga Plaza, the tenants separately search for the gold. Everyone plays innocent when they run into each other, but it’s hard to convincingly spin skulking around the basement with flashlights and metal detectors.

On the weekend, Vincenzo goes on an amusement park date with Min-sung who seems to be having the time of his life. Cha-young and Joo-sung follow close behind as Min-sung wraps his arms around Vincenzo as often as he can and feeds him cotton candy.

When they pass by a haunted house with zombie actors outside, Min-sung panics and drops to the floor. Apparently, he’s terrified of zombies, and Vincenzo has to practically carry him out.

As they go to leave, Vincenzo pretends to be upset. After some prodding from Min-sung, he brings up the Babel investment. He wins Min-sung over when he says he’s worried he’ll get hurt investing in such an evil company.

Vincenzo creates an emotional breakup scene, saying he broke their rule not to talk about work. Min-sung follows him out of the car and grabs him in a back hug. He begs Vincenzo not to go, but Vincenzo throws him off and walks away.

Min-sung is relentless over the coming days, spamming Vincenzo’s phone with texts about how he needs him. He even waits outside Vincenzo’s fake law office in the rain for five hours. Inside, Vincenzo remarks to Cha-young that evildoers don’t deserve love. He doesn’t respond when Cha-young asks if he deserves to love.

After dark, Vincenzo finally goes outside to see Min-sung who’s shivering under his umbrella. Min-sung throws his arms around him and says he wants his advice about work, promising to listen to him regarding the upcoming signing ceremony.

Chairman Jang and Joon-woo get ready for the ceremony, and Joon-woo does his regular ritual of terrifying his little brother into submission before his performance. At the opera house where Vincenzo told Min-sung to hold the ceremony, Myung-hee spots Cha-young. Her text to Joon-woo saying she’s there to “witness the power of love” doesn’t put them at ease.

The ceremony begins, and when it’s his turn to sign, Min-sung hesitates as he remembers Vincenzo telling him to show his sincerity. He looks up and sees Vincenzo on the balcony holding up his phone with the words “I love you. Tae Ho believes in you” scrolling on the screen.

Min-sung winks at him and announces he won’t sign, calling Babel immoral and unreliable. Vincenzo stands and cheers, earning a death glare from Joon-woo. But then, a woman waltzes onto the stage with her two little dogs. Min-sung’s mother announces she’ll sign as the chairwoman of Shinkwang Financial instead.

Myung-hee was one step ahead this time and warned Min-sung’s mother that he was susceptible to falling into a trap. She threatened to spill all their family secrets if she didn’t agree to handle the signing ceremony herself.

A dejected Min-sung stares at Vincenzo as he leaves the stage. But it looks like Vincenzo’s plan isn’t over yet. A few of the tenants pose as bodyguards and lock Min-sung in a dressing room. The room is bathed in a red light, and a woman’s voice hums softly. Min-sung soon finds himself surrounded by zombies – our zombie tenants recruited by Vincenzo – in his own nightmare scenario.

As everyone gathers around the chairwoman in the lobby, Min-sung comes running in screaming incoherently. He huddles on the floor in tattered clothes and streaked with fake blood. He clambers over to Vincenzo, grabbing onto his leg like a frightened child.

Two police officers show up with a warrant for Min-sung’s arrest citing assault and blackmail. Vincenzo leans down and whispers to Min-sung that he’s actually Vincenzo, the one who tipped them off. Min-sung stares in shock at Vincenzo and Cha-young as he’s led away, his mother screaming for his release. Even as he’s dragged out, he’s still calling out to “Tae Ho” because he’s scared.

Vincenzo and Cha-young face off with Babel and Wusang who are feeling more confident after this win. They get into a petty fight that ends with Cha-young and Joon-woo pretending to swim around like sharks, but the humor goes out of Cha-young’s face when Myung-hee references her father.

“If you don’t want to end up like him, you should keep quiet and lie low,” she threatens. Uncharacteristically serious, Cha-young yells for the reporters to gather. She announces she’s Yoo-chan’s daughter, and she intends to reveal all of Babel’s evil deeds, including their connection to the prosecution.

Vincenzo steps in when they swarm her with questions and leads Cha-young away, pushing through the throng. He and Cha-young smile at each other as they leave.

 
COMMENTS

I’m actually glad to see Vincenzo’s plans are not foolproof, and he’s not unbeatable. It gets tiresome when the (anti)hero always wins since it takes away some of the suspense. Now that Myung-hee has a better understanding of Vincenzo’s style, she’s going to be a more challenging foe. Because we all know she’s the brains of the operation. Attorney Han provides simpering support, Joon-woo motivates with violent threats, and Chairman Jang is a wild card who might be plotting mutiny with that gun he bought. I’m starting to wonder how Babel and Wusang got anything done before Myung-hee come on board. Well, they did have Cha-young, at least, to pick up the slack.

Even though I enjoy Cha-young and Vincenzo’s teamwork, I do miss Yoo-chan and the budding friendship between him and Vincenzo. I understand narratively why they killed him off, but I still wish they could have left him alive. I think Vincenzo needs a paternal figure who he can lean on, especially now that things are getting more complicated with his mother. I loved how the soft-spoken Kyung-ja went feral on Min-sung when he threatened her. It’s nice to see her fight for once; she’s so resigned in general. Despite Vincenzo’s harshness towards his mother, he certainly went all in to take down Min-sung.

That was one hell of a plan that, had Myung-hee been less intuitive, would’ve handled their Babel issue and allowed Vincenzo to get his own revenge against that family in one go. It also added seduction to the growing list of Vincenzo’s special skills. Not that it’s surprising – in addition to his suaveness, he’s good at reading people and seeing what they want most. Min-sung was so easy to manipulate, and it was almost painful how vulnerable he made himself. If Min-sung weren’t a serial assaulter and an abettor in ruining Kyung-ja’s life, I might’ve felt bad for him. As it stands, he pretty much deserves what he gets.

That being said, I didn’t appreciate how the drama framed Vincenzo’s reaction to this latest scheme. I can understand feeling uncomfortable seducing someone who is as awful as Min-sung, particularly after what that family did to Vincenzo’s mother, but that’s not the angle the drama took. Instead, they framed it as Vincenzo being grossed out that he had to even pretend to like a guy and played that for comedy. I don’t see how Vincenzo’s fit at the mere idea of going on a couple of dates and maybe doing some hand holding could be read as anything but homophobia. Gay characters are still sparse in dramaland, but representation has been getting somewhat better in recent years with more nuanced and empathetic portrayals. Clearly, though, there’s still a long way to go.

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And the best cameo of the year goes to ... you thought I was gonna say Kim Sung Cheol, didn't you? You're wrong; it's me.

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*insert 50 million extremely inappropriate Arthdal jokes here*

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Does this mean I have to call Cha Young Carrot Girl now?

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Carrot Boy and Carrot Girl, sitting in a tree, k i s s i n - ah nope, maybe not... the right episode to be making that joke in is it... (or is it)

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Arthdal Season 2 is just Vincenzo.

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By the way, does anyone realized there are 2 Space Sweeper reference? We have Min-sung calling "Take off, Victory!" in their amusement park date, and as well Vincenzo's stage name to seduce Min-sung is "Tae-ho", other then meaning "very cool" in Chinese characters, that actually Song Joong-ki's character name in the movie.

It is good to have a movie and a TV show launch at the same time, and on Netflix ...

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Yes!!! I noticed that, and I hollered at that brilliant reference.

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I saw on Instagram about the Space Sweepers reference actually. That’s very smart because it didn’t even include any unwanted PPL.

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Is it just me but did anyone else sing Tiramisu Cake when Kim Sung-cheol showed up. Always liked this actor so was happy he did a cameo here.

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Hahaha I loved him in To Jenny!

I think he sang GRAB ME more to Vincenzo, don’t you? Hahaha!

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LOL. Yes indeed. GRAB Me was more appropriate. And now my LSS just changed =)

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Tiramisu cake is one of the best songs to ever exist.

I think “be as rough as you want” took the cake (pun intended).

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It was a shocker for me. At first I could not believe my eyes, that line .. on a kdrama?? !!! LOL!

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Literally was the background music in my head when I found out he was appearing.

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This episode was really funny. It reminded me Sungkyunkwan Scandal, Song Joong-Ki was so charming in this drama. He formed a better duo with Kim Sung-Cheol in this episode than in AC...

Cha-Young looked so cute with her hari braids and beanie.

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I laughed a lot with all the references and feels from Song Joong-ki's previous dramas/films especially "Sungkyunkwan Scandal," "A Frozen Flower" (gay-themed) and "Space Sweeper" all in one episodes.
Yeo-rim's charm from "Sungkyunkwan Scandal" came to life and it made me miss Yoo Ah-in but Kim Sung-Cheol was fantastic for such a short cameo.
SS facts:
-Song Joong-ki and Yoo Ah-in won the best couple award.
-Song Joong-ki was a straight A student and ex-student of Sungkyunkwan University (beauty and brain).

I'm looking forward to more from his other work especially on the ice rink with the Jang brothers as a reference to "Triple." He was also a former short track speed skater.

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Song Joong-Ki and Yoo Ah-In were so funny in the BTS of Sungkyunkwan Scandal.

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Ahhh,miss those days!!! Also Yoo Ah-In looked damn sexy in his mane of glory!

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Cha Young and Min Sung being stupefied seeing Vincenzo riding is a whole mood! 😂

Same Guys Same! That was my reaction too!!

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I really enjoyed this episode more than I should hahaha! After showing all of Vincenzo’s male admirers: NIS agent, Mr. Nam, Tailor...show gives us what would happen if Vincenzo really laid on the charm intentionally. Same, @quirkycase, I would have felt bad for Min seong being played, getting his heart broken, AND being fed to zombies, but a dating abuser needs no sympathy. Not to mention being an accomplice to framing Vincenzo’s mom of murder.

Great job to Sungcheol for such a great cameo! One of the memorable ones for sure! 😆 Now that that’s over, would we get romantic scenes between Vincenzo and Cha Young?

Chairman Jang’s also off his rocker and I’m thinking is it because he ate the gummies his brother forced him to? What’s in those gummies, Jun woo?

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Or is it time to film Arthdal Chronicles Season 2? They are good "buddies" in that show too.

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I'm not watching it unless the plot is sped up about 100%.

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The kind of look like vitamin supplements but I think they could be drugs. It attests to why Joo won behaves so crazy
Can't wait to see his downfall

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That a good theory! Wouldn't be surprised, given that Joon-woo is from America 😳

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His cameo reminded me of Kwak Dong-yeon's cameo in It's Okay to Not to Be Okay - another memorable one! There's so many talents in this drama so it's always surreal to see them acting together in the same frame.

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Hello 👋

Was thinking of starting a podcast that discusses k drama and movies. I really like the way you engage with the episodes. You have an interesting take.

Please email me if you are interested in creating something.

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I'd not, please ignore this message
Thank you

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Apart from the obvious homophobia, I loved how today’s episode showcased a cameo having so much chemistry with a lead. And after seeing the BTS, I’m glad to conclude that they were adorable in real life as well. Kim Sung Cheol is one of the best actors I’ve come across and I’m not afraid to say that.

The homophobia angle wasn’t welcome, but I enjoyed the chemistry between the two of them. They’re friends in real life so obviously they would have amazing chemistry anyway.

Kim Sung Cheol staring at Song Joong Ki on the horse was a serious mood though. It gave me very country vibes and I was loving it.

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I remember that Cowboy romance in Brokeback Mountain when I was watching that scene, in fact. This show has become a celebration of movie classics now.

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I might me one of those rare ones, who never felt the homophobia because the dating assaults of Min Sung was so horrifying. I thought it was natural that Vincenzo would be disgusted to even think about seducing him. Min Sung literally offered his dying mother funeral money! I mean WTF? Who in their right mind would not be disgusted? If he was homophobic, do you think he would have played the 'Tae Ho' part with such ease?

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I see where you're coming from, but the fact that it was precisely being shown the extent of Min Sung's awfulness (as we saw in that dinner scene) that caused him to lean in MORE into his flirting suggests otherwise. It wasn't Min Sung being a 'bad guy' that Vincenzo seemed disgusted/horrified/etc. by (at least when it came to seducing him), it was the fact that he was a guy, period.

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I also was not feeling any problems about it even more when Vincenzo is a straight guy...Is it really homophobia that he found it hard to do it,for me it isin't...I doubt he cared at all for Min Seung being gay or not as mare fact nor looked like he would have treated him different if they had any other type of friendship but found him react somehow normal as it included him,and found it hard to do it aside from going maybe against his morals as well...I would find also hard if i was in his position...

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"mare fact"
Deliberate or did you mean "mere fact" and it's just another traditional Dramabeans typo?
Anyway, after the Magic Horse appearance...

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Vincenzo as a character has literally committed murder. If pretending to be romantically interested in a dude is where he morally draws the line then that is only further evidence of the homophobic writing behind him. Also, the context of the text in which he exists as a character is very important.

A lot of straight men feel uncomfortably being perceived as gay because of societally enforced hegemonic masculinity (and I'm sure those values are even more firmly engrained in a conservative country like South Korea). His behaviour on his own could be portrayed as purely comedic if the writing outside of this one behaviour was firmly pro-LGBTQ+. But it wasn't- instead, we have our only (canonically confirmed) LGBTQ+ character being an abusive monster, and our hero clearly displaying disgust at having to be perceived as gay, despite never having any issues with the huge assortment of other random things he has done within the show.

Also, Vincenzo doesn't exist. The writers choose his characterisation, and frame that characterisation how they like; they did not frame his behaviour in any sort of critical lens. All these things point to homophobia on the part of the writers, or at the very least, a bending to the status quo in regards to how Korean media has commonly portrayed its very few LGBTQ+ characters thus far.

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Where can I get the BTS? Is it English subbed?

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Thank you, Captain

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finally i was waiting for someone to address the homophobia, the way they stereotypically portrayed Hwang Min Seong in the gay effeminacy, and why oh why did HMS have to be gay, he could've abused his female dates rather than male, it seems so out of the blue specially since this is rising mainstream drama in TVN, so why would they take the risk to put queer people in there, and why did the representation even have to be negative (HMS being criminal, and corrupt CEO) when they know there isn't much lgbtq stuff in korean media, and why did they have to clown and ridicule and water down/make light of the situation where Vincenzo was in amusement park date with HMS, it was quite obvious the "Vincenzo! pls dont go" or something HMS said when VZ breaking up with him was sarcastic,
anyway my rant's done here damn it its already 2021..

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good recap, agree with your thoughts and other comments added here...also, in some scenes i feel like V is already suspecting JW is main boss....but overall show is still fun to watch so far (i'm going through the phase of 'not finishing dramas' again, but am hopeful with this one:-))

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Vincenzo already knows that JW is the big boss (pun intended). There was this moment where after knowing SJK’s looks for a really long time I’ve noticed him looking at someone for a delayed second and then he looks at the other guy, kinda like making the connection. It felt like such a lightbulb moment. His face legit read “Aha”. I don’t know if you noticed it though.

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I'm curious whether you guys think Myunghee and Babel won this round or not, because they got the investment (albeit, fake) but the investor shat himself in public and got arrested so...was that really a win?

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I'd say 1 - 1. Or, if we count the Babel pharma and the Babel Chemicals cases : 3 - 2 in favor of Jipuragi

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How funny were the guys dressed as security guards?! Team Leader Ahn is always such a scream.

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I always loose it when he does that thing with the eyes,making them all small...

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"Che Guevara"
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I am really torn about this episode- it was hilarious, and the seducing scenes were amazing (that "ride as rough as you like" line omfg), but the homophobic writing and characterisation was pretty rough. I don't have a problem with morally corrupt LGBTQ+ characters, but when your only openly LGBTQ+ character is an abusive monster, ESPECIALLY in a market already sorely lacking that type of representation, you wind up sending a pretty dangerous message.

Vincenzo's whole "no homo" schtick only added to this. (Also I call Liza Minelli because that neck-touch move was WAY too smooth for my mans to not have a slightest flickering of The Bi)

All in all, feeling pretty disappointed with the writers. However, if they confirm Mr Agent to be the gay icon we all knew in our hearts that he is, I will forgive them. <3

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I think that the whole thing would have maybe played out okay if it wasn't for the gay shock. It reminds me that in Tale of Nokdu, Nokdu not only had no problem in being mistaken for a woman but he also had no problem with a man being romantically interested in him - even after he found out he was a man. This whole plotline was regressive and offensive and I ff'd most of it.

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Initially it started off well, but the way he was grossed out was not it. Also initially KSC was acting normally and then on the date he really leaned into the stereotypes and it got uncomfortable, I wish he had played it "straight" for lack of a better word than stereotypically, I think it would have worked better. Outside of that, the horse scene was was funny. Also it is very clear our two leads are crushing on each other hard, so I wonder if our dear Vincenzo will make the first move or nah. He clearly doesn't believe he is worthy of love whether it is because of his dastardly deeds, his mother's abandonment, or both. We shall see this weekend.

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Yes it was the gay shock more even than anything else that rubbed me the wrong way. And whenever these storylines play out, I'm left wondering if this is less than playing into what homophobic writers believe is a 'normal' response and more into reassuring fans that the male lead is absolutely definitely not gay. Which means it's contractural and indicative of a bigger problem

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It is probably both. This is a man's response to "gayness" and the male lead of is not gay, look at his totally appropriate and normal reaction.

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Like others, I didn't like how they took down the bank heir. Credit to the actor for being able to portray adorable and reprehensible at the same time. I was almost shipping him with Vincenzo!

And what about his mum? She's just as awful! She watched it all go down, let her husband die and scapegoated Vin's mum. I hope they plan to take her down as well.

Still not a fan of the female lead's over-the-top, trying-too-hard acting in the drama. But I'll keep focusing hard on the other stuff to overlook her.

I'm also very underwhelmed with Taec's performance. His forced villain gimmick with the random English is eye-rolling for me. I don't find him intimidating at all and those tantrums he throws whenever they lose are getting stale. Whatever his charm is - if he has any - that makes people drool, I personally don't see it.

OTOH, KDY's acting/character is more compelling.

Seems this writer's MO is to cram as many references and parodies into their work. I wonder how many more we'll spot in future episodes.

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"OTOH, KDY's acting/character is more compelling.
True!

I am really enjoying this show for all the humor that makes me laugh (but the homophobic humor was a bit much) and all the comments here reflect all my conflicting thoughts and opinions.

One thing I think will come is Chairman Jang is going to be shown as the really dark evil in this show. There is something under the surface with him that is frightening. And KDY is the perfect actor to showcase it.

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I think it works out that the actor with the weaker acting talent gets the less compelling character and vice versa. It's been a couple of episodes since the big reveal, and Joon-woo really doesn't have enough brains to be a true mastermind. His power comes from being the son and heir to a rich family.

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"Still not a fan of the female lead's over-the-top, trying-too-hard acting in the drama....

I'm also very underwhelmed with Taec's performance. His forced villain gimmick with the random English is eye-rolling for me. I don't find him intimidating at all and those tantrums he throws whenever they lose are getting stale. Whatever his charm is - if he has any - that makes people drool, I personally don't see it."

I'm with you right there. :) This's my first time watching Jeon Yeo Bin and I don't feel the need to check on her other work. She seems trying too hard to imitate Gianna Jun in MLFTS. Dropped that show after about 10minutes into the 1st episode. Would've done the same if it wasn't for Vincenzo & Lawyer Jo Han Chul. Too bad, JHC was written off too early!

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Jeon Yeo Bin is so good for me.... she might be overact in some scene ... but her strongest aspect is this subtle facial expression she delivered that I understand every single scene her character is trying to convey.

just like that last scene with vincenzo the expression is so on point, fierce, strong, full of outrage, but she change the mood in a second smiling to vincenzo with different vibes. I love her. I rather watch her than SJK last female lead.

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This episode had its obvious issues, and I know everybody is talking about that horse "ride" (by the way, hawwttt🔥), but I'm solely here to mention that Vincenzo aka Cha-young's purse holder is serious boyfriend goals *swoon*

P.S. I'm in love with Teaclish! That "FOOOOKKK!!!" and "son of a beach!" had me on stitches 🤣

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Ok why the HELL my stupid keyboard autocorrects "in stitches" as "on stitches"?! *Screams*

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I paid close attention to the purse holding.

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Me too, I really LOL’d.

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Joon woo is doing very little to hide that he is the chairman/has power over the wusang lawyers and chairman, I don’t know any person who would be able to do a jaws dance in front of their bosses like he did without the bosses telling him to first. He’s always telling them what to do in front of others and they always listen to what he says, if that’s not a dead giveaway I don’t know what is.
Tteoboki ajumma zombie was so funny and Kim Sung Cheol just gets better the more and more I see him. SJK has amazing chemistry with everyone when he tries, previous episode it was with the doctor’s wife and now with KSC. I can’t wait to see see what’s going to happen when he gets with Chayoung ( by episode 15 I’m estimating), even though they have amazing chemistry already

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Anyone wanna have bets on whether this show will actually have Romance as a side plot given how much they're teasing us or will it just be subtle crumbs until the end?

(Usually in such shows I could care less about romance but SJK and JYB have an amazing chemistry that it would be a waste to not have a loveline)

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I'm betting on the romance happening. It would be seriously a crime to waste all that chemistry. If not, well I will just eat my words.

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I agree with you about the feeling that Vincenzo disgust to seduce Ming Seo was basically homophobia and the fact that it was used as comedy it the only thing I didn't like about the episode. Had Ming Seo been a woman doing the same awful things, he wouldn't have express his dislike this much (and not the he didn't deserved it).

Moments I loved:
- Vincenzo's scarf playing in the wind.
- ChaYoung and ByungHee following the dating couple and being super cute.
- ChaYoung and JoonWoo playing Jaws. HA!

P.S. You would have never guess what I'm about to say, but... yes! I love Taec!

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I had been uninitiated in the Way of Taec till this drama. My eyes have been opened.

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I will have to watch that scene again because I thought it was because of what Min seong did to the other men. It could very well be that it was played up on homophobia.

Office Manager Nam was ready to go though when he took off his glasses when Cha young was describing the type of man Min seong goes for.

Huh. Nevermind, maybe Vincenzo is homophobic.

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I get the reluctance and the protestation but it dragged on for waaay too long that it became homophobic. I felt like it would have been more in-character for Vincenzo to more quickly recognize that this was the best tactic.

I did like how the show pointed out dating violence can happen in any type of couple, and it's really bad when you're in a same-sex relationship because there is the added threat of being outed. I feel really bad for Min-sung's victims and hope they got to see his downfall.

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"I loved how the soft-spoken Kyung-ja went feral on Min-sung when he threatened her. It’s nice to see her fight for once; she’s so resigned in general."

She was sexually harassed, then assaulted, framed for murder and is now fighting cancer without the support of the one person that was kind to her.

She isn't reserved, she is broken.

Come on now.

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that was an awesome scene. I liked how she tricked him into getting closer before she grabbed him.

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I could've done without the gratuitous homophobia. It added nothing to the episode and actually took me out of the flow several times.

Thank you @magichorse for easing my worry. You looked fantastic and seem to have forgiven SJK for his former slow to learn character.

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I accept other people's sexual orientations and respect them. When it comes to kissing or sex scenes being hetero I'd find it more appealing watching those of the opposite sex than same sex. That is how i am wired.

I don't believe the term homophobia should be restricted to personal sexual orientation preferences instead of non acceptance and prejudice against other sexual orientations

In plain English: Prejudice / Non acceptance of Gay / other orientations is Homophobia !

The ability to be turned on by a gay sex / kiss scene or not is not homophobia !

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I don't think anyone is arguing that not being "turned on" by gay content is inherently homophobic?

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Something to note with this show is that nothing is randomly inserted. There is a second purpose for everything. I thought the zombie practice in episodes 1 an 2 were just comedic character intros of the tenants.

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Noticed that too. I wonder if there will be a grand caper at the end using all the odd skills our characters have?

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That would be a hilariously fun scene!

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Team Vincenzo is just too adorable! And the residents dressed up like FBI agents and the zombie punishment just killed me. All that practice was worth it!

Han-seo looked amazing in that ice hockey getup. Going back and forth on whether Han-seo will end up being the bigger bad or be part of Team Vincenzo. Joon-woo doesn't seem to have enough brains to pull anything off. He's been slipping up. Thinly-veiled commands to his subordinates right in front of Vincenzo and not even hiding how much he relished how the chairwoman came out to mess up Vincenzo's plans.

This drama has an unexpected number of good-looking, well-dressed guys. Would love to see Song Joong-ki and Kim Jung-cheol play an actual same-sex couple in movie - they have such good romantic chemistry. Like more than some kdrama OTP. I even forgot that the Min-sung character was an abuser that blinded one of his bfs because he had beaten him so badly and was sad he was betrayed by Vincenzo.

That ending scene - one of those moments that really show how brilliant Jeon Yeo-bin is. From the moment of the Jaws-off to the strut away from the reporters - it was beautiful to watch.

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I'm a little concerned. I didn't like the freezer seen. It looks like they are freezing to death. Even the young woman who just does the taxes. It was supposed to be funny, but it didn't come off that way. Are they dead? No, I didn't like that.

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Regarding homophobia:

The show could have avoided any "shivering at the thought of" moments, but on the whole I felt it handled it fairly well.

In a previous episode, Vincenzo let the tailor get handsy and make eyes at him, and he wasn't phased.

During the discussion of the bank president's assault, Cha-yound did a good job laying out that assault is assault regardless of gender, which I appreciated. The honey-trap planning also made it seem pretty clear that none of them had an issue with the idea of two men in a relationship.

At the park, the ride operator also made it clear that he had no problem with two men in a relationship.

The bank president didn't hold back on grabbing Tae ho by the hand, linking arms, or literally riding the same merry-go-round pony. And at no point did anyone make any kind of deal out of it.

I think it is entirely fair that Vincenzo doesn't want to flirt with someone repulsive. I don't think his repulsion indicates homophobia.

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