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The Real Has Come: Episodes 17-33 (Drama Hangout)

We’re trying something new and giving you a Drama Hangout if you’re a fan of epicly long KBS weekenders! Here is your space to chat as you watch The Real Has Come, with Baek Jin-hee and Ahn Jae-hyun in a contract marriage… with a baby.


Beware of spoilers! This thread is for discussing the entire series.

*Here’s the Hangout link for Episodes 1-16
 
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🥳 💃
Thank you!!

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Thank you for this.

I will start using this next week starting with episode 16.

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Let me amend that- episode sixteen is available to me tonight, so I guess I will start using it now.

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Episode 16 should be still discussed in the older hangout. This hangout is from episode 17. 😉🙂
At least that's how I understand it.

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You are correct, so next week it will be.

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I further note that there is an easy-to-use hangout link posted above to use to get to the first drama hangout for episodes 1 through 16.

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When you click on The Real Has Come in the Currently Airing section, you get to see it as well. 🙂

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Wow, we are having additional space. Thanks, @dorotka and @db-staff!

Now, could anyone shred light on what’s the relationship between YD’s uncle and TK’s sister in law?

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I obviously missed something here.

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If I haven’t misunderstood, in episode 16, after eldest Gong son, his wife, and Dae Sang (Yeon Doo’s uncle) leave the shaman, the shaman tells her assistant that the child will have two fathers, the two men in the room.😳 I’m not sure what to make of that, but the commenters on MyDramaList have come up with a couple of ideas, one of which is that Dae Sang becomes a sperm donor for them. If that is the case, kudos to the show for really exploring every possible way to increase the national birth rate.

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Well, well! This is a first for weekenders if going down that path and there was another school of thought last week at MDL that this couple will adopt - but sperm donation is likely because it’s presented as the husband’s problem.

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Honestly, I was hoping they would adopt! It is a sorely under-explored option in kdramas.

Let some other drama be the first example of assisted reproduction via sperm and/or egg donation - they could also explore surrogacy! It would be great!😊

But if the shaman is right about those two men being the ‘two fathers’, sperm donation is preferable to infidelity, so I’ll take it.

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They seem to show adoption in two ways in dramas informally a child is left with a relative/friend: Chicago typewriter female lead lived with Sharman, Mother of mine one of the daughters was left with a relative and formal adoption female lead in Healer. They also show Korean babies abroad in search WWW, Holo love and Her private life the male leads were raised outside of Korea.

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@reply1988, excellent run-down of what has been portrayed.🙏 I’d love to see a couple go through the adoption process of a child that they don’t have any previous connection to. It just strikes me as a storyline that hasn’t been explored. In the film Broker, you see couples (briefly) trying to ‘buy’ the babies left in the baby drop, but the film is really about the other side of the experience (a mother who finds herself unable to keep her baby, and the brokers). We see orphanages, but we don’t really see adoptions from orphanages.

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@reply1988 @mellowarmadillo You Are My Spring also had overseas adoption as a plot driver - complete with a child-trafficking cult. 🙄 I suspect few dramas deal with domestic adoption both because Korea has relatively low rates of formal adoption through legal channels and because presenting it as a common source of that all-important childhood trauma would send a troublesome message (as if the existence of an entire orphanage trope doesn't!), whereas foreign adoption is a safer punching bag. If this show is promoting population increase in Korea, I guess it has to prioritize “make more babies!” over “make a family with existing babies!”

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@reply1988 @elinor - one show that included a lovely and successful US adoption story in the vague background is She Was Pretty. I can’t say more in case of spoilers, but we even got to see a Skype call with the American parents, and the character didn’t have a childhood trauma storyline!🥳

It’s true that adoption doesn’t fit the ‘make more babies’ message, alas, so it makes (sad) sense that this show is not exploring it.

It’s just such a shame that the focus is on headcount rather than quality of life for babies and families - this spans issues like adoption, affordable childcare, and having robust structures in place to support parental leave and return to work, etc. I don’t think birth rates are down only because we’ve somehow forgotten the value of family - they’re down also because it’s hard, expensive, tiring, etc. to have a family. But I guess those issues aren’t going to change with a few kdrama storyliens.😅

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There was a very specific case of sperm-donation in the weekender Marry Me Now. 😄

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I also suspect sperm donation. I think that couple dreams of a successful pregnancy after so many miscarriages. I feel like the brother's talking-to to TK and brother-in-law will get referenced later on when sister in law gets pregnant: will he be the saint who lovingly carries his wife around during the pregnancy or will he be like the others and complain about having to deal with the discomforts of sleeping on the floor and picking up cake.

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Its true it would be good to see the assessment, other family members/friends points of view and the challenges and joys for the new parents.

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@elinor @mellowarmadillo I agree that adoption is a complex matter and depending on the angle taken could have serious implications for the drama makers due to the political elements.

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I have no idea where they are heading too with this!!

Also, can't say I'm excited about Uncle being a playboy and having a kid somewhere 😐

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I just wanna say that this is the most stupid and frustrating drama I tried to watch in a long while. It also really tells me that weekend dramas are reeeally not for me, although I did enjoy some other weekend dramas before but this drama just doesn't make sense.
Anyway, sorry I'm just relieving some pent up frustration here.

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@SOORI, I don't know why I'm still here, except maybe FF, and the hangout. I keep threatening to drop, and yet...

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Relieve away!! I am, for reasons unknown to myself, hooked on this show, so I have developed a number of coping strategies. As I type this out, I’m realising how bonkers it is to go to these lengths to watch a show, but frankly, it mystifies me too.😅

So, I have found that reading the raw reactions (and spoilers) in the MyDramaList comments section for this show before I watch each new episode has helped a lot. For some reason, reading other people’s (out)rage and annoyance, and knowing in advance how many scenes with annoying characters I’ll have to tolerate has made a big difference. Now I’m enjoying the experience!😁

I also skip the scenes with the characters I dislike, or put those scene on mute if I do watch it. Makes it much more bearable. If I think I may have missed something, I go and read @owl22’s recap!😊

Plus, this hangout is fun, and I love the reflections and theories beanies share, so I’m determined to stick around.😁

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Helpful additions I will add to my coping methods, @dramadillo!

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Do you think there should be a guest post by @oldawyer on tips and tricks on how to stay for the long haul with weekenders and dailies? There is a definite art to it and his guidance on the structure acts a bit like a pacemaker in helping to manage expectations so we don’t ‘hit the wall’ just before we get to the home stretch. It would save him having to add encouraging comments whenever there’s a cry for help in the What we are watching post from some newbie trying weekender for the first time😆

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This is an excellent suggestion!! I would like to second your nomination! @oldawyer - over to you!!😊

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This is a fun thread and I certainly second the suggestion of inviting @oldawyer to share his and his wife’s coping strategy!

I have NEVER completed any weekenders without fast forwarding, especially scenes of hateful characters. But there are lots to enjoy like family dynamics, generational relationships and generally heartwarming elements that you don’t necessarily get from the standard 16-eps. Good family weekenders actually remain in your memory for a long long time because you spend a longer period in knowing them. I’d say the gains outweigh the bads but probably 1/4 or 1/5 is worth the efforts. Like @mellowarmadillo, spoilers help so you watch the good bits but ignore the terrible scenes or characters. So a thread like this with generous contributions from the more hardworking viewers are gold.

All in all, I would say The Real Has Come is worth the efforts but I do wish the romance of the OTP and the maknae couple can come faster to sustain my interest.

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I have done some of that before, but I think that it is a really good idea. Give a few days to put something together. Certainly not something I am up to tonight as I am exhausted from a long drive to court and back- and had to get up early for it to begin with. But I will give this some serious thought and see what I can come up with in a couple of days. But judicious use of fast forward is certainly a useful tool.

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Omo! I just read my own post and... It was a total word salad. My apologies.

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@oldawyer no worries re the ramblings of a tired man, we totally understand. We are so grateful that you are willingly stepping up to provide such an important service for the beanie community. It’s gonna take time as first and foremost a guest post on tips on how to survive a weekender/daily will need to be approved by @missvictrix and only if this occurs can it then be fitted into the busy post schedule.

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Thanks @oldawyer!! No need to rush and we are happy to wait.

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Looking forward to it, @oldawyer! And as everyone has already said, no rush!😊

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I sent it off yesterday but there are no guarantees that it will be posted, of course. Even if it is, I would hope that other people would be willing to chime in with their own suggestions and observations because the more insights that we can provide for viewers or potential viewers, the better. We have a lot of Beanies who are both very smart, discerning and probably even more knowledgeable than I am.

Maybe we could suggest a special Drama chat asking Beanies for their personal list of their 5 or10 best Dailies and Weekenders of All Time- a parallel Chat to the recently added 10 Best Chat.

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@oldawyer thank you so much for submitting the post. We will totally understand if Miss Victrix does not feel that it is inline with the posts they have due for release over the next few months. An official post would help beanies now and in the future to navigate the murky waters of makjang.

Let’s hope you get a response soon so if it’s not successful we can work on how to get this valuable community service out there before the next weekender begins.
Our options would be fan wall or open thread. If it’s on your fan wall we would need to flag it on the open thread but it would be harder to find in the future. Putting it as a comment on the Open thread post may be the next best thing.

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@oldawyer, thanks so much for taking the time to grant our wish! I look forward to reading it, and as @reply1988 has said, if it doesn’t make into the packed db publishing schedule, Open Thread and your own Fan Wall would be a great place for it. We’ll just need to keep the permanent link for the post handy, so we can refer newbies to it whenever they’re struggling with a weekender or daily!

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I will give DB at least a few more days to make a decision but I am thinking that posting to my fan wall might be the best option as even a posted article gets buried over time- while my fan wall is completely bare and so would remain accessible.

Our current weekender has been difficult for many people even though it is extremely topical and timely. With so many people talking about the too low birthrate as if it was easily solved our writer has, quite correctly, responded by confronting Korean Society with the very real difficulties that people are facing when it comes to having children:

-The problem of barren couples who cannot have children in a Confucian culture that discourages and stigmatizes adoption because it "does not continue the bloodline" (As if people were racehorses..). This means that an unfortunate mother-to-be who cannot keep a baby has no assurance that her baby will go to a family that can care for the child- leading her to a near automatic choice for the alternative.

-The discrimination against single parenthood- which we can see takes different forms with both SD and with her younger brother, the young single father.

-Our motherless Oh Soo-gyeom also serves to remind us that not all women want to be mothers. A fact also illustrated by our ML's younger sister Yoo-myung who was so opposed to the idea that she broke things off with her beloved Jay rather than accept that role under the most advantageous terms that her country and society could possibly offer to her. But either women are free to make that choice or there is no meaning to the term freedom.

-Even the married woman who is pregnant experiences difficulties with work- a fact that is starting to apply to TK's now pregnant older sister.

For all the makjang elements in the stories being told there is a very serious and valuable set of questions being raised that need to be resolved not only in the ROK but in all developed countries. To my mind this makes this particular weekender not necessarily better dramatical than some others but perhaps more valuable in a societal sense.

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Looking forward to your Guide to Weekenders @oldawyer !
And if it doesn't get published on the main page (will they inform you about that?) then maybe you can also publish it here in this hangout? 🙂

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@oldawyer This is an excellent summary of some of the very real😉 issues contributing to a low birth rate. I’m rather impressed that the writer has managed to fit so many of them in one show, and the backdrop of a socioeconomically ‘normal’ family alongside a chaebol family means that these issues can be explored of in both contexts.

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I am FF watching too and mostly background drama while I am doing something else. I am staying to see some OTP scenes. Hope their romance is worth all this.

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This definitely is not the best weekender ever and I think one has to have the right mood and the right viewing lenses to survive this long run. 🙂
I myself am not sure how long I will run along. 😉
What so far keeps me in is mainly:
-Yeondoo and Taekyung
-Taekyung and Soogyeom ❤️
-the humor of the writer/PD
-the unexpected twists
-this hangout 🙂💕

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And now we about to add to this Soogyeum and Yoo-myung.

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🙂
And they seem to be similarly outgoing.

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Hahah, that’s very true! I think we’re in for some fun and laughs with them!😁

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Have you seen many ? This one is the paragon of writing compared to some of the others 😁. If you want to know how bad the writing can be you should check out Young Lady and Gentleman.

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You are right about the awful writing in YOUNG LADY AND GENTLEMAN. But in terms of ratings that one was very successful even though it was a mess plotwise.

This weekender is much better written but a tougher watch emotionally.

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Why is it tougher on you emotionally. It is the exact reverse for me, I couldn’t stand the abusive personallitied in YL&G (Dan’s father & Sara’s mother). All in all this drama has nicer people.

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Why is it tougher on you emotionally? It is the exact reverse for me, I couldn’t stand the abusive personallities in YL&G (Dan’s father & Sara’s mother). All in all this drama has nicer people.

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I like the leads but not the characters. It is infuriating how the SFL is able to go anywhere she wants and spy on anything. When the next episodes drop, I will need to decide if i want to continue watching this.

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This is me. The leads are great, and I care about their story, but so many of the supporting characters are empty shells, or played by one-note actors, or both. I end up fast forwarding a lot, which is a shame.

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Same here, SFL is allowed to do whatever she wants. I’m not dropping it though, if necessary I’ll fast-forward her scene’s 🤷🏻‍♂️

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The Story of Art by Gombrich~

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This show is something i dont want to watch cause weekender but then i hunt for new epispde every sunday reason cause i like chemistry between the male leads and then i love YDs lil family... like how everyone loves each other so much... her maternal uncle, her brother, her mother and niece... i just adore their family bonding and may be thats the second best reason i am loving this show.
Though it certainly can improve with its makjangness by sending that se jin ah to US branch.
oh yes now am so excited to see Halmouni in old School and how she will handle those ladies and make a tribe out of them... so looking forward

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Halmoni as a transfer student... 😁
I can't wait either!

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I love it.

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You were right @oldawyer !
I really thought they would wriggle out of the situation by saying that TK is not behaving like a real father (or something like that), but here we go, the first person knows (a bit of) the truth.

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Among all that weekender silliness we got again some social commentary about fathers having difficulties to accept not-blood-related children...

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I would note that the person with the biggest difficulty accepting not blood related children is actually TK's Grandmother, while we have seen our Chairman asking TK to call him 'father' rather than 'chairman'.

The non-acceptance of not-blood related but adopted children is not a gender-based problem but is a real aspect of Korean culture rooted in the strictures of Neo-Confucianism which stressed the importance of the family bloodline. As such women are indeed every bit as likely to share that bias as men are- this is truly a cultural problem, and it is hurting South Korea as a whole.

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I feel like we may end up in one of those hypocritical situations where the parents would accept it if it happened to them, but their gut reaction would be to want their own kids to raise biological children. But they'll come around.

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Episode 17 thoughts & spoilers

This was a lovely episode, and what I found rather sweet is Yeon Doo’s Uncle, Dae Sang’s devotion and commitment to his family. I loved how he responded to finding out that TG isn’t Real’s bio dad - he admired and loved him all the more. And when he worried that TG would leave YD and Real, he offered to raise Real as his own child if that would help their relationship. He’s not the most practically-minded character, but he’s always offering to help in whatever way he can. His role here really reminds me of his character in Be My Dream Family.

The other turn of events I’m relishing is every time we see Yeon Doo’s mum, Bong Nim, turn grumpy cat halmeoni into a compliant kitten.🤣 Will this grow old over time? Maybe, but I am enjoying it so much right now!! And it will be wonderful to see halmeoni grow as a person. Learning to read and not living in fear of her secret coming out will hopefully mean that she won’t feel the need to control the people around her as much.

I found Principal Jang Ho’s ultimatum quite intriguing - he seems to think that what Se Jin wants/wanted was for him to give up the unprofitable school, and earn more money. He doesn’t seem to grasp the extent of what SJ is trying to claw back for herself, and how much she blames him for her circumstances. I’m keen to find out exactly what happened with their family’s finances back when she was in high school.

The plot thickens with TG’s older sister, Ji Myeong and her colleague/hoobae Sang Hoon. What exactly happened between them? I found the scene in his car the best acting from both of them so far - up until now it’s been played for laughs a bit, but things just got interesting.

I really enjoyed seeing TG as a teenager. It seems he was taciturn but also very aware of other’s feelings and considerate from that age. It’s awful to think how long he’s been bullied and treated poorly by his siblings. It made the fact that Uncle Dae Sang and YD both see the best in him that much more gratifying. It’s like he’s finally getting the attention and acknowledgment that he hasn’t received for most of his life.😢

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I think the colleague probably brought her to the hospital when she was having a miscarriage and knows the truth about what really happened that time.

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Ooh! That would make a lot of sense! It’ll be good to get all the secrets out - they have not been doing any of these relationships any good.

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Btw, Taekyung is so kind and cute... I can't believe he was a womaniser.

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I was thinking about this too. Given how skittish he’s become around Yeon Doo, you’d think he’d never touched a woman in his life! But I suspect he wasn’t actually a womaniser at all. He never even cheated - he just always asked for a relationship where he can enjoy certain aspects of being together without the involvement of feelings. He probably treated these partners well, which would explain why they fall for him and ultimately wanted more.

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I think that you have the right of it. On the one hand he has been womanizer in the very narrow sense that he would move on from one woman to the next- to their disappointment as each could see his potential. But he never two-timed or mistreated them and was undoubtedly always considerate- until the moment that he decided to breakup because he never wanted more than a light dating relationship and, as you said, they did want more. His difficult relationship with his family, including the bullying, and his trauma at the hands of Se-jin, are what caused him to fall into this bad habit, although contributing to it would have been his very long period of training to become a top specialist even with the OB-GYN ranks- itself rooted in his need to make himself independent of his family, a goal he has actually achieved.

But what the writer has actually set up for us a dramatic situation where his emotional defenses are no longer needed: He cannot no longer be hurt by his family, so he does not need to continue with this behavior, and it now hurts him instead. As SD told him at the end of episode 17, he can now find someone nice who will love him. It has not yet dawned on her that she just described herself.

All of this is pointing us towards that wonderful moment when they realize that they are really deserving of the very best- and that the very best is each other.

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At the end of episode 17 we see our couple finally sleeping in the same bed, with SD snuggled right into TK, whose heart is pounding. She has just told him that he should find some someone nice who will love him, and our obvious response is: How about you? Which is subconsciously what TK is feeling.

The writer has surprised us many times but to me the biggest was the reaction of SD's uncle who was not shocked or outraged at TK but rather decided that TK was a fantastic guy. I really did not see that one coming.

Do we get another love line with Uncle and the new part-timer, his former GF? Is her child his? Uncle is the cook at the new family steamed chicken place- he obviously has some actual skills which makes the new family business make sense. He is also a great family man who has been a big help in raising his grandniece. His nephew is able to devote some time to study and to job seeking in part because of this- but nephew is not lazy either and is helping with that business as well. Part of the reason I can visualize the future success of our very entrepreneurial Oh Soo-gyeom is because she has been raised with such good examples of good people working hard- but who have also loved her a great deal, giving her both the right attitudes and the abundant skills and confidence need to create a business empire. Other children of her age may begin with significant economic advantages but in the end how can they compete against someone who has never depended upon such crutches?

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I don't think her child is his, but he may be the first man who doesn't run away, accepts the child as his... and so joins Chairman and Taekyung in the club.

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You may be right- I just keep remembering that moment when an old lady told him to be good to his child. But with this writer's way of surprising us alternatives are certainly possible, and yours is a good one.

We also have the best explanation yet advanced for the infallible shaman's description of both men being the father of a child with a reason for getting to that point:

Uncle clearly now feels beholden to TK, who is literally a fertility expert. Someone noted the possibility that the best explanation for that comment is that Uncle could become a sperm donor for our childless couple. What if TK calls upon him to volunteer to do that? He owes him a solid and that would certainly fit the bill.

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It's more my wishful thinking, because I didn't like when they presented Uncle as a playboy (it just doesn't fit his character)... and so I'm ignoring it 😁🙃

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I do not think that it was wishful thinking at all but rather a very good insight- we all realized that 'playboy' just did not fit with what we were shown of Uncle's character- that is why it so surprised us. What you came up with was simply a better fit with Uncle's character.

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They finally slept in the same bed indeed. I totally don’t get the extreme prudishness they displayed (and indeed in other drama’s as well). Is the concept of sleeping in the same bed without actually having sex that alien to Korean writers? Personally I’d simply refuse to sleep on an uncomfortable couch or the floor. Also, given they’re acting in front of the families you know it’s a bad idea to sleep separarely.

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I think they were prudish about sleeping in the same bed because they like each other. He especially is aware of how much more he likes her than other people.

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Sleeping in the same bed without any intimacy seems to be a fairly standard thing. No wonder Korea has the lowest birth-rate in the world.

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Good point- and there may be some truth to it but I suspect that if there is that it simply the extraordinary number of hours that Koreans put into their jobs- leaving them too tired for sex.

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I think I will need some time to adjust to the new actor playing Chairman, it's so jarring... and so strange when everyone was welcoming him after that business trip and he looked soooo different 😅
Not even a suggestion of some plastic surgery or so 😆😆

Getting the assholish Real Real's Father back into the picture was smoother. 😁

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It was definitely jarring. In order to integrate the new actor, we had the characters greeting him as if it was the first episode of a drama when you didn't know who was who and as if he had been away for months.

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Episode 18 could be described as the Epic Misunderstanding Episode. Or maybe not? The actor substitution for our Chairman was truly jarring- whatever personal reasons our original Chairman may have had obvously blew up suddenly because the result was about as dramatically awkward as one can get.

In any case the side story of Yoo-myung and Soo-gyeom (and her dad) is just about to get started.

Our 2ML is just about to return. Just in time to be briefed by Se-jin who may have figured things out thanks to snooping in SD’s phone.

We ended with TK asking SD why she is in such a hurry to leave.

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Is it common in weekenders to replace actors as the stepfather is now played by a new person!

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No, it is not. I would also note that the Chairman is not a stepfather but rather TK's adoptive father.

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Doing a little recapping for the fun of it ~
https://cimiart.wordpress.com/2023/05/21/the-real-has-come-ep-17/

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So it’s not just me, finally catching up on episode 17 and noticed immediately they switched out the CEO dad. The other guy was so much more affable.

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Yeah I liked him a lot.

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I miss him 🙁

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What did happen to Abboji? Got plastic surgery in US ? 😅

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The sudden change in our Chairman was caused by a sudden and unexpected departure of the original actor due to "Personal Reasons". This happened too quickly for the writer to actually "fix" the script to explain the difference- instead we got the original actor leaving on a business trip and the new one arriving back from that trip. The actress who plays his wife, Cha Hwa-yeon, who is nothing if not professional, was visibly distraught at the substitution during the 'welcome home' scene. Whatever the "personal reason" was it had better be really good to justify what would otherwise be extremely unprofessional conduct by our original actor. I can only hope that his replacement does a really fantastic job in the role. This episode was obviously as awkward for the writer, the cast, and director as it was for the audience.

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The reason I watch this (and ani other kdrama) is for the heart-tingly moments. One example is when TY was in his office changing YD’s name to “wife;” when the characters of the words appeared, my heart literally palpitated. And then evil lady who I don’t even know what to call barges in and he deleted it! But yeah, those moments, even more than sharing a bed
for the first time and her rolling towards him, is what makes me keep watching. So adorable.

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It was not only adorable but a dramatically significant moment as we can see that subconsciously he is shifting to wanting to have a temporary arrangement to wanting more. This was then further underscored by the fact that his heart was racing when she snuggled into him. from this place it is only a very short step for a subconscious desire to become a conscious decision.

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Im always waiting for the next coming episode. waiting is longer than watching hahaha I hope they don't only post 2 episodes every Saturday and Sunday hahaha it's addictive

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It is with the deepest sympathy and regret that I have to tell you that weekenders get their name from the fact that they are two episodes per weekend- for almost half a year.

Most of us would indeed love it if this were not so.

I too am anxiously looking forward to the next episode - which is still four days away. As you said- it is addictive.

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Welcome to the party. The beanie comments section for the weekenders is the best place to share the stress of the long wait and when the weekend comes you will have lots of company to share the fun of dissecting the plot.

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First time getting to post about this show-- but can't be happier about it. Have desperately needed to talk about this fun yet frustrating experience lol.

For one, TK is just fantastic, and while I had issues with a lot of the TD's decisions, I'm glad in more recent episodes she hasn't been as childish in a lot of ways.

But here's the thing... Se-Jin...

I know she's the villain, but she does it too well. It drives me insane when an opportunistic liar like her, gets away with murder, and she uses that pitiable act to get what she wants. I had to skip through almost an entire episode once because it was too much for me at one point and I almost dropped it because of her. She was in it way too much, and having her way.

Also... with the amount of effort she puts in for this ONE guy?! I feel like she could've won over a whole other chaebol. Thoughts anyone?

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Welcome to the beanie comments section and you are in the right place to discuss the joys and frustrations that weekenders are guaranteed to bring. The regulars will be in to answer soon I am just part of the welcome committee taking your coat and handing out the refreshments at the door as you head into the room😊

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Thank you for the welcome!

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LOL! You're so right. It drives me nuts how much effort she is putting into this.

I think she mentioned that once upon a time she was able to call Taekyung's family on more familiar terms, like "uncle" "grandma" etc. Once her family became poor and she and her family owed their livelihood to TK's family, she switched to calling them on more formal terms. I think she wants the relationship they had when she was rich. And that's why she's so obsessed.

It bugs me that she's really not in such a terrible situation. She's head secretary to a chairman. Ditch her gambler mom, and she could be living in a nice place, drive a nice car etc. She could rope in an even richer guy. Maybe find that Jay guy that the maknae sister rejected and marry him and live with his wacky family in their ginormous mansion.

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I have made this observation before but I will say it again: Se-jin is a great villain.
We are supposed to hate Se-jin on a visceral level. Se-jin is not a superficial villain but a true villain with serious literary antecedents. She may indeed have a genuine alternative in the second male lead (who is about to re-appear): We should not forget that when her newly dumped boyfriend was trying to break into her wedding it had nothing to do with SD- He was coming to grab Se-jin.

Your question asking why TK? is actually at the heart of the matter.

It is because her family, the Jangs, once had the sort of wealth that his family, the Gongs have now. The Gongs used to borrow from the Jangs- these families are inextricably tied together in her mind, in no little part because she has literally been working directly with the Gongs as a major functionary. She is desperate to join that family, even though she has never loved TK. It is not just a desire to once again be affluent but rather because TK is a Gong, even if just by adoption. To top it all off remember that Grandma gave TK to her, so he is supposed to be her property. What we are seeing is not love and caring but rather a true obsession. Obsession can turn a person into a monster just as Captain Ahab became a monster in Herman Melville’s great novel MOBY DICK. When you look at Se-jin what you should see is a female version of Captain Ahab. This is part of what makes her such a great villain- her motivation is a true obsession. But part of what has driven her to madness is the fact that she has constantly had to pay for her mother’s follies- and her mother has likewise been obsessed, so Se-jin has that model of behavior in front of her.

Logically Kim Joon-ha, our second male lead seems to be a better alternative to TK. We may find out something different later but for now that appears to be the case. But Kim Joon-ha is not Gong Joonha, and TK's family name is Gong. Once you realize that this makes TK The Great White Whale it all makes sense.

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I don't know that she sees TK as an 'object' (unless that was included in one of the scenes with her I skipped), but I definitely agree it's an obsession. Grandma gave her a scent of a win, and she is hounding it like my cats when they smell eggs cooking. Only she isn't as adorable and fluffy as they are.

I think I missed or forgot when she said that she used to call them uncle etc, but had to change to more formalities when they lost their wealth.

On a whole other note, anyone else sense/ wonder if they are trying to set up YD's mom with the principal (Se-Jin's dad), I feel like that at the end of him revealing her nastiness, would be wonderful.

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I was shipping YD's mom with SJ's dad at one point. Then unshipped them since the SJ's dad is pretty useless. Then I'm sort of shipping them again. They have quite a suspicious number of scenes together and she's got that bright vibe to his more quiet, taciturn vibe.

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And now SJ's dad is divorced- a single man- not by his own choice but at his daughter's insistence. But what a mess if TK's mom were to become SJ's stepmom! That might be one wedding too far.

This writer likes to surprise us so...it could happen?

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I've been watching all along but realized yesterday that I wasn't paying much attention, so decided to come o Dramabeans recaps - and found this thread. As I am proceeding to through this behemoth "recap" (and perhaps I should wait until the end before replying so early in the thread), I am struck by your analysis of Se Jin because I have similar thoughts. She is a great villain - and by now (around Ep 23 or so) we now understand what happened to her long ago with the grandmother! who I consider the most irredeemable of all the characters.

I'll keep reading but I'm also glad to see that you were looking forward to Joon Ha's return as well.

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I feel like her motivations are mysterious enough that revealing the backstory is going to be a significant part of the plot. We know she had a thing with Taek-Young in high school and that she broke it off cruelly. We don't know what her feelings were at any point about anything!

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She knows no one and has no connections. She had no friends. With her personality I doubt she will get a guy. I think it’s the familiarity. And the fact that she was abandoned at the altar makes her right the wrong. She is as prideful as her father, I guess.

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I'm really enjoying the recent developments with YD's mom getting the Grandma to learn how to read, TK catching feelings for YD and the baby growing inside her, TK and YD being friends, and finding out that the little niece is a popular Youtuber! I'm also enjoying the snobby couple with the brother and sister-in-law. I want to hate them and be like "I don't want you to raise a baby who will end up snobby like you", but their love and sincerity towards each other makes me wish their pregnancy journey well. I was surprised they had let the uncle join in their shaman session instead of telling him to get lost.

It does stress me out how terrible our OTP is at the pretend-marriage stuff. I guess they've never ever watched dramas before. At least, YD realizes that they likely don't have the finesse to keep up the lie for 3 months. And the second-hand guilt of lying to everyone! And the lack of respect for privacy with everyone getting into their stuff feels stifling.

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Oh it filled me with deep satisfaction when YD's mom got the drop on Grandma. Was so. darn. happy. Because the amount of toxic awful was just unreal (ha).

I know there are different dynamics in Korea between family members, but if Grandma had pulled any of that on anyone I know, they would've said no to her face and just left until she learned to not behave like a bratty toddler throwing a tantrum because she didn't get her way.

As sickening as it was to see Se-Jin pull TK's head onto her shoulder, I loved the karma where he calls YD's name. Just *chef's kiss*. But yeah. Se-Jin is getting away with WAY too much to the point where while I keep waiting for her awfulness to come to light, I'm not sure if all of it will be shown, and I will be left wanting blood.

I repeat, the actress is doing a fantastic job of making her character so fantastically hateable.

Here's hoping for a lot more sweet scenes and development for YD and TK!!

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Se-Jin tried to play the jealous-because -of-me card twice: once as they were leaving the bakery with the carrot cake and she told TK not to mention that she found the shop to YD. He replied she’ not suspicious that way. And then when she helped put drunk TK in bed, she told YD not to think anything was going on. YD said she trusted TK. 2Wen will she stop trying to get between them?

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Answer: Somewhere in the fiftieth episode.

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Ugh, i think you might be right! That's a lot of putting up with Se jin for all of us!

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Oof, right? I feel bad saying this for the actress's sake, but I hope we at least get some episodes where Se-Jin is not at all featured to give us a break

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The actress is Cha Joo-young and we are witnessing a bravura performance by her. Seldom indeed has any villain been so well and so effectively portrayed as to elicit such a profoundly visceral response from the viewers.

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We just need a Se-jin free couple of episodes~

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Agreed as @OldLawyer said, it's a great performance, but for the sake of enjoying the plotline, I know at least for myself I want some solid development between the leads and maybe less wild nosiness from the family.
That being said, the 'boy talk' scene had me laughing XD

The couple that isn't having the baby, as individuals, horribly annoying and I want to kill them, and then I see them as a couple and like them, and I have never, in all my years of watching any tv, had such whiplash of emotions where I can like people when they can be so irritating and nasty.

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I know what you mean.

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They are a big reason I foresee a lot of character dynamism and redemption in this series. They are both so dreadful and so sympathetic at the same time. On the other hand, so are the older sister and her husband. I want to smack them around for their stupid constant miscommunication. But maybe those two are meant to wind up with other people?

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They really are leaning that way with the pharmacist and the coworker, so I could see it.

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I have high hopes in the SML that he will start interfering Sejin's plans. 😁😁
Or will they co-operate?? 😱

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Oof my expectations of SML are rock bottom. I can see him teaming up with her. I'm already trying to emotionally prepare myself.

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I think that Dorotka may remember what I do: That the reason our SML was trying to break into the wedding was to stop Se-jin's marriage. He clearly has an obsession with her.

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Though we don't know yet what he will do when he finds out that the baby is his.

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I was thinking of mentioning that he seemed to have an obsession with the baby too. With the SML we may actually have dueling obsessions. That could be really interesting if not extremely messy.

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The SML knows that the Real is really his biological baby. It wasn't left ambiguous.

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I said this, and now the SML is back and he clearly doesn't know that the baby is his. Hmph.

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It's crazy to go after someone for revenge of a completely different person or an indirect reason .

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Se-Jin tried to pull the jealousy card by suggesting TK not mention that she found the carrot cake shop. But he told her YD is not suspicious like that. And then she told YD not to think anything is going on because she drank with TK. And YD said she trusted TK. As much as she tries to get between them it’s not working. .

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Se-jin now knows that SD was Kim Joon-ha’s Ex, but does not yet know that Kim Joon-ha tried to stop her wedding. Yoo-myung has now met Soo-gyeom but thinks that Uncle is the girl's father- I think that we will get more of this story in episode 20. Tonight’s cliffhanger: TK has asked SD to terminate their contract immediately after staring at their photo booth pictures. Is it time for an idiotic separation based upon a misunderstanding? But the highly of the episode was the moment that SD told Se-jin that she loves TK, and he is hers. Followed by her claim to TK that it was just a white lie- are we really going to string out the confession forever? And isn’t it time for Joon-ha to re-appear? If nothing else it would complicate Se-jin’s life.

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I meant "the highlight of the episode".

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Ooooh, I so enjoyed Yeondoo NOT letting Sejin manipulate her AND telling Sejinn off! You go girl!

I wish Taekyung's termination of the contract would follow with asking to be Real (😁)... but with 31 episodes to go I'm afraid we will get some Noble Idiocy instead. 😒

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Se-jin being told off was another highpoint. I do not think this will be a Noble Idiocy arc- just a stupid one cause by not communicating.

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What! We have 31 more episodes????
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No No- Please come back off that ledge- we are now down to a mere 30.

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On a shallow note, it was nice to see Uncle being so cleaned up 😁 Ryu Jin used to be a leading man...

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I do not see Ryu-Jin's role as a minor one, even if he is not the ML. The writer may be starting Uncle's love story plus he may be set up to be a major part in two of the other stories as well.

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Oh, I more meant that I still remember him as the dashing male lead years ago... time flies...

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Ah! I kept wondering why he looked so familiar.
They did him bad with that hair and hideous clothes 🥲

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For once we did not end with a cliffhanger but rather- finally- after only 20 episodes- a confession. It was one of those wonderful moments that you can really only get in a weekender or a daily because we have come to know these characters so much better by the time it happens.

But in fact, the cliffhanger is there too- only it is an implied cliffhanger because Se-jin has figured out that Kim Joon-ha is the biological father of Yeon-doo’s baby. So that is hanging over their heads even as YD has just thoroughly scolded TK’s family for their bullying. On a lighter note Yoo-myung and Soo-gyeom’s story has started in earnest- and apparently the Big Reveal of Soo-gyeom’s daddy has been reserved for a later moment when comedy is again needed. Meanwhile our other pregnant couple is having a hard time because TK’s sister refuses to reveal something to her husband. And I lost my sympathy for TK’s older brother and his wife as they returned to their crabbed and selfish selves. It is going to take something more than a scolding to turn them around.

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I like that the stakes have shifted now that Tae Gyeong and Yeon Doo have feelings for each other. To remain in a relationship for real(😉), they’ll need to decide how long to keep lying about whom Real’s bio dad is. I don’t think lying for the rest of their lives is an option, so it will be a question of timing.

I wonder if Se Jin and Joon Ha will join forces, or if Joon Ha would rather just get back together with Se Jin. He wasn’t interested in the baby before he made it a competition with TG, and both SJ and JH are vindictive enough to want to ruin TG and YD out of sheer revenge, so I’m bracing myself for the next 30 episodes.

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I think that there may be a period when Joon-ha is figuring out what he wants to do. He might actually be delighted to discover that Se-jin is not married after all. It will really be up to Se-jin as how this goes. She is the primary villain in this story. I am not sure if Joon-ha is even the revenge type- what would be in it for him? We know that he actually tried to stop Se-jin's wedding so I suspect that we will get several twists to this.

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I had felt some sympathy for them before but they were just so hateful this past week. They deserve to be childless. I hope when they get their sperm-donor baby, they'd feel the horror and worry that that baby may have to endure all the bullying they've done to Tae-kyung. In the end, only the sister's baby will have the blood of the founder of the company.

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Confession time! 🥳💃🎊
(I'm sooo happy they didn't drag it!)

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It felt so good after how cold Tae Gyeong had been towards Yeon Doo. Every time he said something that put distance between them, it hurt, even though we as the viewers knew his feelings. They were both being evasive about their growing feelings, but I really felt for Yeon Doo, whose sense of self-worth has taken a hit as it is.

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Yes, it was getting increasingly frustrating seeing TG run away from his own feelings and watching YD being hurt by this when she has already been through so much.

This was poignant in part because not only does YD now truly know that her feelings are returned but because TG has finally abandoned a defensive mechanism that he no longer really needed and can now live a happier life. They are both good people who deserve that kind of a life.

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Of course Principal would end up as the new tenant 😄
And Yeondoo's Mom is right, his problem is his Pride.

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I like that we’ll get to see Jang Ho’s inflexible, prideful and stubborn side outside of the context of his relationship with Se Jin and her mum. I think he has a lot of growth ahead too, but next to the makjang duo, it’s hard to feel anything but sorry for him.😅

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Makjang duo. Lol. 😂😂. So apt.

I agree. He needs this family. I hope to see a better side of him.

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I got a kick out of there being a cohabitation plot for YD's mom and the Principal. You'd usually see that for a younger couple. I'm hoping the drama really ships them.

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Ep 20 thoughts

I just have some minor thoughts because others have covered the key events, like the wonderful final minutes of this ep!!🥳🥳🥳

Kooky theory:
Awful oldest brother, Cheon Myeong said that he has a plan for how they can have a baby after all (after being motivated by his greed for company shares🤢 - sorry I have little sympathy for him.) Do you think this will be where the sperm donation from Dae Sang (Yeon Doo’s uncle) story arc might come into play? If so, it may come back to save Tae Gyeong and Yeon Doo from the fallout of their families finding out that their baby isn’t biologically TG’s because the eldest couple will have a child that isn’t blood-related either, and both couples will have lied about it. The family can either accept or reject both.

Can someone please explain whose phone Se Jin has in her possession and why she has it? I don’t recall how she would have ended up with Joon Ha’s phone, but it seems to be his?

Also, does Yoo Myeong think Soo Gyeom is older than she is? So far, we’ve heard from other characters that she’s 7, but YM tells SG that SG is the best/her favourite 12 year old.🤷🏻‍♀️ It may have been a mistranslation!