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Open Thread #822

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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The terrible ghost babies story continues in South Korea. The Korea Times reported this week the government has confirmed 249 of the 2,123 babies without any record of registration have died since 2015 because of health problems or crimes committed by their guardians. The 249, or 11.7 percent, were confirmed to have died from sickness or other means. The police confirmed 27 but at least seven were confirmed to have died because of criminally punishable acts such as child abandonment, leading police to refer the cases to the prosecution. The ministry confirmed the survival of 1,025 babies, with many just abandoned at orphanages, while police are continuing their investigation into 814 more whose statuses have not yet been verified.

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It is unconscionable that no such investigations have occurred until now. Do you know if there has been sustained domestic advocacy and particular media coverage which has prompted this?

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Police found two unregistered infants in a woman's freezer. She is being prosecuted for murder. That outrage set into motion the investigation on ghost babies.

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Thank you.

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Not trying to defend the parents, but it is worth looking into "why". Is it because single-parenthood and raising a baby outside of marriage is such a taboo in SK?

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How did you choose your Beanie name?

For me:
I was intrigued by Korean pretty much as soon as I started watching kdramas. I started learning to read hangeul and trying to make the correct sounds that went with the letters. Aspiration isn’t something we generally use to distinguish sounds in English - we’re much more likely to use voicing. But Korean is the opposite, and aspiration is a big deal. I think what was most informative for me was reading transliterations of English words in hangeul, where they often have an extra vowel sound tagged on the end to make sure they aspirate the last consonant. (Example: juice -> 주스 [and if I was going to romanize that directly, it would be juseu]) Anyway, all this to say, I got really into trying to hear the differences between the different consonant sounds, so when I decided to stop lurking on here and comment for the first time, I named myself “Unaspirated” in honor of the sounds I try to get right as I’m learning Korean.

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This is a great idea for a post. Thanks for sharing your story, such an interesting choice and great start for the topic. I am looking forward to hearing the stories behind the Beanies’ names, as there are quite a few that have had me intrigued.

Mine is pretty straight forward I wanted to use something that connected me to Park Bogum and the dramas that I have loved.

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I love your love for Park Bogum! Although every time you change your picture to a different picture of him, it takes me a minute to find you again!

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I adore Bogummy too 😍🥰

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It’s my name 😶

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I have been using this nickname a long time. I first joined a forum called Tim Burton Collective, uniting the directors´fans. But I was always a fox, ever since I was 10. I am a bit messy, nosy, always butting into stuff, cannot keep quiet, cannot keep still, like to wonder around in the twilight and create mischief and just... a redheaded nuisance I guess. But some also consider me smart, I dunno. I know nothing.
not connected to kdrama at all

though you might say, I am fascinated by human foxes and I sometimes say this is my real name and my given name is just a logo.

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Poem by Eugene Field (1850-1895) "The Dinkey Bird"
"In an ocean, 'way out yonder,
(As all sapient people know)
Is the land of Wonder-Wander,
Whither children love to go;
It's their playing, romping, swinging,
That give great joy to me
While the Dinkey-Bird goes singing
In the amfalula tree!"

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Nice poem! That's a great place to find a moniker!

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That is excellent. Thank you for sharing the poem.

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I use this name a lot of different places online (as others have noted from running into me on Reddit or MDL). It's a line from the aria "Deh vieni, non tardar" from The Marriage of Figaro, my favorite opera, and roughly translates to "Come, my dear"

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I've been using this nickname for a very long time. I first used it when I wrote a review (if you can call a one-liner that, lol) of an Amelia Peabody novel by Elizabeth Peters on Amazon, and got a voucher as a reward. That was ages ago.

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I wondered if there was an Elizabeth Peters connection when I first saw your nickname.

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Favorite character from a favorite drama!

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I love your nerdy approach ... phonetics just makes life worth living, innit!?!
My name is my country code and, well ... obviously ...
so DK + K-Drama.

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I think you will find that all my approaches are nerdy ;)

I do love phonetics. Took a linguistics class at one point and was completely smitten.

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I did phonetics as a German student, as a singer I went *really* nerdy on the anatomy of the vocal tract, I also went *really* nerdy on language and singing (and learned Brazilian Portuguese ... spending hours saying "fin" in French, "like an agressive sheep" to get to know the feeling of open and closed palate), and as an English student I felt *so* happy that there was no "too nerdy" limit in phonetics. I also did a course on British dialects, but admittedly I only recall bits of that.

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Just a nickname my sister thought of quite some time ago...though I've never used it in real life, it's the one I keep using to make various social media accounts! XD
I don't even like it that much, but it kinda stuck at this point ahah!

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I just went with what a friend used to call me many moons ago. Very (in)credibly boring.

Love your name & explanation @jls943. Thoughtful and educational at the same time!

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I'm just using the same username I use everywhere, way back since the year 2000 when I was working at a dot com startup (and everyone was freaking out about Y2K bugs) and I decided to register a domain name. technocat.com was taken so I went with technicat.com.

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It’s a slight corruption of my real name and my favorite number.

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Mine just came to me in a moment of tremendous non-inspiration!

I had been watching KDramas for about a year and reading the blog for a while before I gathered the courage to jump in. That was during the summer of 2020 when I watched a billion KDramas.

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I love owls and I like that it's 3 letters 🦉

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Owls are wise and I get the sense you are too!

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Why thank you KdramzFan!

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I wanted to indicate where I'm from and maybe find other women living in France too or in western Europe : )

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Hi. I'm French, but live in Belgium at the moment.

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I asked this question in the last open thread - how many people have started learning Korean becasue of K dramas...because I have started learning it (right now I am focussing in picking up words and phrases) and I am so glad to see this post. I feel thrilled now a days when I understand what the character is saying (I understand "What do you mean?", "I am hungry", "With me", "What do I do now" and many small words. It gives me unadultrated pleasure when I realize the subtitle is a little off.

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Interesting question!
Mine is my pseudonym on the web since the beginning circa 2001.
And the picture is my gravatar. The members of the board games clubs need to be able to recognise me from the club's site.

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The Hollywood actor and writer strikes are likely to last through the end of the year. Studio heads will not even discuss the artist’s demands. This is the first time since 1960 that two unions struck at the same time (which resulted back then with artists getting residuals for their work which is still a sticking point this time with new distribution channels.) One key point for writers is that studios want to eliminate the writer’s room (multiple writers hired per project) to probably use artificial intelligence to write scripts. Actors got shocked to learn that several actors’ voices were used without permission for audio books. Then, with the rapid release of deep fake videos, actors cringed with the studio demand that background actors would be scanned and their virtual image could be used in perpetuity without any further compensation.

The age of the fake actor is here. In animation, motion capture has been used to cut costs and create 3D characters. Now, with technology running faster than people realize, real job losses are at stake. But it was coming. Dead actors have been digitally placed in advertisements more than a decade ago. The studio FX departments in the 1980s toyed with the idea of computer generated actors. Indiana Jones used anti-aging software on Harrison Ford. This is why the strike will be long: it is not just about the money, it is about technology transforming so rapidly that the human artist may be lost by the wayside.

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I find the whole fake artist thing so bizarre - like when idol groups have AI “members”…surely this is just an elaborate cartoon character? I mean I guess you don’t need to pay them and they don’t need to eat or sleep so they’re cheaper, but why would people be fans of that? (I guess I’m showing my age).

On the other hand if your aim isn’t actually to produce anything people want to see and just to churn out content that you can work some accounting magic on, then having an AI write the script (by essentially plagiarizing actual people’s work) and an AI produce a movie (based on real people’s likenesses that you didn’t have to pay for), that it doesn’t actually matter if no one sees, then I can see how that’s a win for the studios.

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I read a webtoon where the AI idols is a premise and in the webtoon, it's to a point where human idol trainees have to compete (and not always successfully) against them. They are often just made a fee for their likeness so the AI idols look like them but the people can't actually do much of anything since they're also not allowed to break the illusion by being seen out and about.
Leads to alot of bad feelings for the actual people but obviously the companies love it

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Then, with the rapid release of deep fake videos, actors cringed with the studio demand that background actors would be scanned and their virtual image could be used in perpetuity without any further compensation.

Sounds like an episode of Black Mirror (Joan Is Awful). Technology nowadays can be scary.

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In the movie industry, promotion and marketing are the ground work for a successful release. But two anomalies occurred this week. First, a short news story late last Friday announced the start of filming on this past Monday for the new Korean movie INTERVIEW starring Jo Yeo Jung (High Class) and Jung Sung Il (The Glory). It is a story about a journalist getting an interview with a clever serial killer (it reminds me of narrative in Jo’s previous work THE BABYSITTER). Jung said he took the role after reading the last page of the script (which is a signal of a good plot twist/ending.) This is the second live action film for the director who started his career in animation field. Usually, production studios build up casting news, first read meeting, etc. to start the hype but this one is very low key; it has the vibe (and budget) of an indie movie production.

On the other hand, without any trailers, interviews or advertising promotion, Studio Ghibli released Hayao Miyazaki’s latest film, THE BOY AND THE HERON, and it broke the studio’s opening box office record in Japan. Immediately, social media and critics praised the film as another masterpiece. Word of mouth and director reputation will carry this film’s box office instead of advertising costs.

The low key approach appears to be grounded in cost cutting. In 2022, 160 k-drams were produced. In 2023, it is estimated only around 100 will be made. This year, there have been a lot of series cancelled during production because the major Korean networks have cut back and OTTs are bleeding large financial losses. Budgets are now severely restricted (which could mean cutting PR budgets, promotion, posters, etc.) One local director was quoted as saying “We’re in a situation that we can’t afford without the investment from streaming platforms. So when the platforms downsize the funding, the networks discard the projects with which they are not sure of recouping the expenses.” KBS just lost about half its annual income when its TV fee on utility bills was terminated.

It is not to say that foreign money has dried up yet. (It helps that US studios are shut down by actors and writers strikes). Disney’s $45M(US) production budget for the series MOVING is four times higher than the Korean local production average. But the foreign spending bubble will burst soon. Disney+ lost 4 million subscribers in the last quarter and suffered a loss of $659 million.

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I'm too happy to know that. saying it for years.

You get what u deserve - surviving b/c of plastic faces alone.

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weather - oh ho - summer really is summer - +ve - hot - beautiful

rain - a lot - humidity high - temp up - clouds forming for one more action week. rain - hot fast rain brought temp down but increased mosquitoes..

fast rain to flood to land slides to damage of infra - even power lines become dangerous - floods brinh minerals of mountains n made the lands the plains - but floods aren't clean.

As i have continued from spring - monsoon is normal - but ocean heat gave much to monsoon to make a beautiful show.

June was hot - record making
July ever hottest in 1000s of years - much vapour in the air it has to go some place.
As said for weeks - july gonna decide monsoon play n economy n it has shown its beauty in Asia in last 2 weeks - more to come

I'm heartily welcome it.

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As i said in 2022 - 2024 is the biggest election year - 2 biggest democratic elections - expenses alone will be above 2 billion dollars - this is business - n i said cricket will play big role.

moody visited bee-dan - deals as usual - world cup in OCT
bee-dan visiting india in Sept - wow
American cricket league going well - Indian diaspora chose democrats last election - wealthy working class - affecting huge no. of votes - game is game.

moody likes PR - bee-dan provides that - good 4 their politics not so good 4 people - that's how u play d game.

moody invested in Dumptump too - did rally in usa 4 him - still friendly - b/c geo-political n crony capitalists matter as they r d one to fund parties.
You still - you control things - let politicians face the tomatoes - that's how game is played.

XI - still d biggest winner of d game.

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Hi

so I haven´t had time to share the idioms I promised and I cannot type korean letters on this PC.
But I just discovered another great page explaining the context of some metaphors and idioms. look for organickorean and then go to context tab. '

yesterday we tried to translate the estonian versions of some sayings into korean. Like 꽃도 움직이지 않을거예요 for 손가락 하나 까딱하기 싫네요. Or 그림이 사라질 때까지 for drinking until you can wring your nose or 술이 떡이 되다
Now I am looking for more estonian idioms to translate, but since a lot of words in them come from old local dialects then it cannot be easily translated through english into korean. (Papago translator has no estonian :-()

Nice slang expressions here: https://matadornetwork.com/read/10-slang-phrases-need-know-korea/

I really like 뛰는 놈 위에 나는 놈 있다 - even if you run, someone will be flying aka someone will always be above you.
and 아랫돌 빼어 웃돌 괴기 - solving problems with short-lasting measures.
밤새도록 울다가 누구 초상이냐 묻는다 - following others without having a clue about the situation
oh yeah, and 호랑이 없는 곳에서 여우가 왕 노릇한다 - when the tiger is not home, the fox is the king.
im always the king tho

also been rewatching some very old stuff which also kinda makes me wistful and sorry and realise time flies. I sound like an old hag now.

oh, the teacher yesterday - yes, handsome. BUT... his sense of humor is 아재개그 aka old man jokes. he was a total weirdo! my brain got so foggy. it was confusing.

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oh, yeah, I copy pasted for the korean phrases, whatever I had in the file.
희생양 - black sheep = in estonian "patuoinas" aka a sinful ram. 죄 많은 숫양?
외향적 - social butterfly, in estonian would be "seltskonnalõvi" aka company loving lion - 동료애가 깊은 사자? 맞아요?

it is fun to try translate but... the book series of estonian idioms weighs alltogether 16kg... I guess I gotta start digging if I want to find nuggets.

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oh, and I rewatched To the beautiful you, and there the coach called tae Joon 우렁이 각시 aka snail bride and then I looked into the myths because it seems they use a lot of mythical characters as nicknames - I actually made a file about nicknames too.
weird to call a guy a snail bride though I suppose it was with irony.
hmm what other mythical characters have people been called in dramas?

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I've mentioned in the past that I taught English in Taiwan for a few year after college. This summer will be 50 years since I arrived there.

Any Beanies from Taiwan?

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Did You Know? HTML Tags Allowed on Dramabeans Edition

Did you know that there are a limited number of HTML text formatting tags you can type into your Dramabeans comments and over on your Fan Wall?

When @reply1988 asks for an act of service, I jump. I thought long and hard about writing this information up on my own here, and I very may actually do so eventually over on my fanwall where I can use more tags and my own sense of style (such as it is). But in the meantime, I remembered the right words to use to google up this older post by a very well-respected Beanie, @hades:

https://www.dramabeans.com/members/hades/activity/519553/

For ease of reference in 2023, here are links to @hades’ final, edited tutorials out in the clear:

https://imgur.com/8Ri9Ndu

https://imgur.com/TzOWJgi

https://imgur.com/aogt1I8

This should help people get started doing what they want to do right away!

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Thank you 🥰 much appreciated

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@midnight’s comment over on the thread that incited this service post got me thinking (mwahahaha my thinking is not always a good thing). Right now, in 2023, I'm finding that it’s difficult, nay impossible, to post the actual characters you need to use to create HTML tags here on Dramabeans because the computer sees those characters as text formatting commands and won’t show them to you as “mere characters” on the screen.

However, if Midnight was ever able to cut-and-paste from an old comment of @lordcobol’s then…well, someone at sometime was able to help her out more directly.

So, long story short, I’ve used my shameful obsessiveness tenacity and found this old comment from, not Lord Cobol, but an unregistered user from back in the day who was somehow able to post the angle-bracket characters as characters.

It’s here: https://www.dramabeans.com/2016/11/the-k2-episode-14/#comment-2548969

Don’t get distracted by The K2 information, I know we’re all still disappointed in that drama.

What you can do, however, is see the way the tags are formed very nicely right there out in the open, and if you want, you can copy-and-paste the tags themselves (you’ll need the ones both before and after the word “text”), delete the word “text” from in between them, and then add your own words that you want to format.

Perhaps this will work for you when typing things out by hand do not. If I understood her correctly, that’s what Midnight says works for her!

PS: In reading over what I’ve written, I think I’ve taken Numbers too far to heart. I’ve turned a stupidly time-consuming and relatively crazy quest for technical information that very few people probably want into a narrative with way too much supposed drama! Thanks for listening, though, folks. Also, watch Numbers! It's super fun!

PPS: For those technically-minded, I’ve tried both the traditional escape characters and the “pre” tag to post brackets as characters, and neither work for me here or on the Fan Wall. Although, frankly, as has become clear, “a” often doesn’t work for me here either. Any other Beanie is welcome to help me out with advice, if you have it. That would help me if I ever write this up more completely.

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Don’t get distracted by The K2 information, I know we’re all still disappointed in that drama.

Hahahaha! Accurate.

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But we’ve all watched for the shower scene. For educational purposes. We’ve always wanted to know how to fend for ourselves with a bottle of shampoo and a tiny bath towel.

And we’ve all cringed at that ramyeon scene. Some of us still need therapy because they’ve developed uber-cringitis and scream unintelligible sounds each time they see a pack of ramyeon.

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Heaven knows I'm no Lord Cobol and I fumble HTML tags as often as I get them right, but - some emoji sets include angle brackets that appear as characters. Mine doesn't, but I found some copy-paste ones online and will try them right here to see if that's a possibility (cue anticipatory drumroll):

Italics: <i> text here </i>

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Great hack, @elinor. I shall use this trick if I decide to spend even more time on this.

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copy-and-paste the tags themselves, delete the word “text” from in between them, and then add your own words that you want to format.

Exactly how I do it.

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It is instructive and delightful!

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Thanks a lot

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You, gorgeously wonderful life saver, bringer of the Almighty HTML light!

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My work is powered by such praise, so...bring it on! ;)

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FWIW, Here is my contribution to the issue of formatting.

For years, this @mary post has been my cheat sheet:
(Mary, behind the scenes, cleaned up a number of my early efforts. Thanks again Mary.
From Aug. 20, 2017:
https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/206796/

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I just copy the format I want to use and inset the text where the bold, italic and blockquote text is indicated.

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Wow, that is probably how it was done in the comment that I saved in my notes app as a cheat sheet! So smart!

I'm sure this particular comment by Mary isn't the one I saved in my notes though, because in that one there is no strikethrough, and the tag for italics is em instead of i .

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Thank you so much for sharing this gem from the archives 😊

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Hello, I'm looking for the title of the song that plays in background in episode 2 season 1 of "Tale of nine tailed fox" during the scene where Yeon meets with Shin in a cafe please, can someone help me ? Thank you !

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Did you try Spotify for the OST as sometimes they come out a while after the show has finished. Also doing Shazam can help it was suggested by a beanie and I found a couple of Japanese and Chinese OST tracks like that.

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Hello, thank you for the advice and I've already done that but the problem is that shazam or another recognition application can't recognize it because there are the actors' dialogues at the same time.. and on spotify I couldn't find the music in the playlists that are linked to the series... The episode is on dilaymotion, if anyone can go watch it's timecode 17:40min

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You must have super hearing because I could not hear enough without dialogue to pull out the distinguishing features. I tried to match the intros to the instrumentals on the OST but quite a few had piano and orchestral sounds. I am not a musician so need a lot more than that snippet.

It is very unusual not to hear each instrumental track in several scenes over the course of the drama so hopefully you will get to hear another part of the piece or a longer snippet without dialogue later on.

Usually in cafe’s it’s pop music playing loud enough to hear the lyrics or in posh restaurants classical music so it’s genuine background music and not usually part of the OST.

Good luck on your mission I would be grateful if you could update us if you can locate it. Hwaiting 💪🏾

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Anyone read the webcomic Operation True Love? It updates in Korea on Friday mornings (well, where I live) and there's very nice person who posts the summary of the latest fast pass chapter on the Novel Updates forum shortly after it's released. I'm waiting anxiously to hear the latest update, especially since there wasn't one last week (the artist had to take the week off).

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"I feel I want to protect her"
It seems to me that also in dramas with no clear and present danger, the male often expresses the will to protect the leading female. Sometimes it is in the process of discovering his own feelings ... "I feel this unrest here, in my chest ... and I fell I want to protect her".
Is there a special Korean context for protecting people?
I mean, to gentlemanly protect a woman is of course an old cliché, but to make is central in that way also when she is not exposed to any danger surprised me at least the first ten times I encountered it.
My best example I can recall right now is in "Clean with Passion for Now" where he says: "She is bright, and pretty. That's why I want to protect her". If he had said "She is bright, but fragile" or maybe "I can see it makes a lot of men angry that she is smarter than them and that they can't have her" the protection part would make more sense, but no. There is no apparent reason to protect her.
Does anyone have some background knowledge they can share with me on that?

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I think there is a general cultural connection in foundational aspects of a relationship in South Korea. As studies have shown:

What do Koreans value in a partner? Men and women both chose personality (73.4% and 72.4% respectively) as the most important factor, followed by values (55.8% and 58.2%). A lot of men also responded with appearance (47.6%), hobby / interests (33.8%).

What do Korean women value in a relationship? Hard work, obedience to family, protection of the family, and proper decorum among family members are very much Korean values, even in the modern world.

When a man says he wants to protect a woman, it is cue that he wants check off one of the values a woman would want to have in a romantic relationship.

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Thank you! So cool you totally had the stats and everything!

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I tried to look for stats for other places (like, the US or somewhere in Europe) but the only result that popped up was that women in the US had more fear of dating, since the risk of being lied to, harassed, or being in physical danger when dating had increased these last ten years.
In that context, love and protection suddenly becomes tightly connected.

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I think @welh640 is right that there are a lot of cultural connotations there, but I also think of it in a more abstract way. Like, maybe he wants to protect her from things/situations/people that will make her sad or hurt or frustrated. If you like (or are intrigued by) someone, I think it's a pretty natural response to want to see them happy and content the majority of the time, so that's how I usually take that sentiment when there isn't any actual physical danger.

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But when I take it up, it is because I notice it as different. I have seen "I want to make her life a dance on a bed of roses" kind of love declarations, and as said, I also get gentleman/action hero-ish saving the damsel when in distress, but the protection talk is not a global given.

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I certainly have no qualifications to speak for the entirety of my peoples, but I personally feel like it's an indirect extension of the historically Confucian elements of Korean society and the highly distinct caste system, that for better or worse, is still more intact than other developed nations. It certainly goes beyond just male-female romantic relationships to all types of professional and personal relationships. I don't think it's unique to Korean society per se, particularly since there are similarities in Chinese culture as well, and even in some Western societies, but it certainly seems to be more pronounced among ethically Korean people, regardless of where they're based.

I don't think this instinct of protection is far from the American concept of "nurture" in general -- be it in professional or personal relationships. But the fact that there are different relationship-based titles around those relationships (i.e. noona and unni for older sister in distinct gender contexts, sunbae for older people of specific important relationships depending on context, uhlushin for addressing an elderly stranger or person not directly related to you) that don't necessarily exist in other societies/cultures seems to suggest a greater respect for social positions and roles that may not be as delineated in other cultures/ethnicities. As a result, perhaps there are certain types of protective instincts that arise from a variety of these factors. Just my two cents.

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@wheguhreh: Thank you for this insightful, thoughtful and considered comment. I appreciate hearing your views. Please comment more on such topics if and when you have time and are so inclined.

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I'm glad you found it insightful, and though I'm not on here as much as I used to be, I always enjoy good topics of discussion like this that relate Kdrama themes and narratives to actual Korean culture.

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I would love to see you here more often as I have only been around for 2 years and even though there are so many thoughtful commenters here, there are not many like you who can authentically comment and educate the rest of us as need be if you care to do that (as no one should be put in that position if they don’t want to do that).
I have been studying Korean for over 2 years and have a long way to go before I can even say I understand all the relevant issues even though I am trying. So thank you again for contributing to my journey of knowledge.

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@DancingEmma I'm sure there are many more Koreans and Korean expats on here who are much more authentic than me, but thank you for the compliment! I'm essentially a completely assimilated Korean-American who happened to have been raised by traditional Korean parents, hence my still-strong interest in my heritage due to my intellectual tendencies. My younger siblings, for instance, who are less intellectually inclined, though intelligent, are essentially American culturally and socially with Korean genes, as even their physical appearance characteristics are more American than Korean-American.

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But so often in dramas saying that is a signal that soon an incident will happen where the promised protection doesn't happen. Followed by the statement, "I'm sorry I couldn't protect you."

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I haven't noticed. Will look for it.

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I’ve watched an episode of Single’s Inferno 2 wherein 1 male contestant told a female contestant You make me want to take care of you. So when I want to protect you is used in a kdrama (without really a looming danger), I take it as simply to take care/cherish/adore the person. 🙂

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I just realized this might be a good place to ask: does anyone know of any Kdramas that are based on or heavily inspired by Jane Austen novels? I've heard that Cunning Single Lady is similar to Persuasion, and obviously a lot of Kdrama MLs have Darcy vibes, but that's about all that I've seen.

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I pretty much believe that every rom com is, at its foundation, derived from P&P 😆
I can’t really think of specific shows that seem tied to the other books but also I never saw Single Cunning Lady.

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Most K drama CEOs are essentially Darcy offshoots.

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I can see elements of Persuasion in Cunning Single Lady (which has held up relatively well as I only saw it last year). It's a stretch, but less so that Little Women was!

This will be the least helpful info. But if you also like books, there's an upcoming Korean retelling of Pride & Prejudice. It's driving me mad that I can't find the article in Publisher's Weekly. So, no link. But there will be more news closer to pub date I'm sure. And, if we're lucky, maybe a screen adaptation will follow. Also, I think it was a YA novel, but maybe I remember wrong.

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What a *censored* crappy week. I've barely slept, all of it during very wrong for my skin hours, had to deal with recurring headache which is super rare in my case, had no appetite and overall STILL feel rather stressed. And no, I cannot stop typing this and go have some rest, sadly, there are certain annoying reasons that keep me awake. Usually I'm strong enough to pull an all-nighter or two easily, but it's been DAYS now! Ofc, thanks to all that I was not in the mood for reading nor dramas, so expect my next entry in WWWW thread be like "dropped this, paused that, everything sucks" lol. Sorry for that in advance))) Now if only I was lucky enough to have ONE calm night to recover... If there any zombie projects around needing an extra, contact me pls! Before I start biting people without being paid to do so...

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Hope you can get some rest at least even if sleep is a dim and distant memory.

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Thanks. When I was younger I've unlocked the otherwise handy skill of sleeping in basically ANY position and circumstances, so now I can't even relax too much in fear of dozing off. How shortsighted of me)))

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@gikata I hope you find at least some of those blinks you are craving.

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Thank you. I did a bit, and then none again... It's tough these days. Good thing I have permanent panda eyes since birth so it's not that noticeable)))

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Translated I read it as you are super cute :-)

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Hardly, aside of my comically ill-fitting name that literally means "cute and nice to people" (idk what was going on my parents' heads at the time as I am so NONE of these things... both blame the other party for it lol), but thank you^^

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Really upsetting (sorry if this upsets anyone else too) to read about students assaulting teachers in SK. Teaching is hard and often thankless work. It becomes even harder and sometimes dangerous when children have behavioural issues which are not easily rectifiable. It appears that obnoxious parenting also is a noxious gift that keeps giving: https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230720000624

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Wow, it wasn’t that long ago that teaching was a valued and impressive career in SK (I use the original 1% of Something as my evidence 😄) and was well paid and hard to achieve, similarly to some of the Scandinavian countries. That’s terrible that parents can sue individual teachers rather than the school. I wonder if some of the change is a backlash against corporal punishment and punitive teachers in the old days.

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@bbstl: I think you might very well be right.
I was shocked too about the possibility of suing teachers. There are awful teachers everywhere but entitled, obnoxious and helicopter parents should not be empowered to torment dedicated teachers.

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It makes me think of all the mealy-mouthed school principals we’ve seen in dramas, who side with the mother (it’s always a mother). So apparently that’s a real thing.

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I think it's great that you bring this unfortunate occurrence to light in the SK educational system. Given the things that students do to school authority figures and each other in US inner cities and even in suburbia, including bullying, gun violence, and other horror stories, I'm not surprised by anything anymore. Obviously a completely different context, but as an older graduate student, I can't imagine even arguing irrationally with a professor, much less suing them. It makes me glad I never had children.

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I mirror your attitude. Until the end of my teens, I was educated in a country with strict educational discipline: You were expected to stand every time a teacher came into the classroom and be extremely respectful even to those who didn’t deserve respect. Occasionally, there was corporal punishment which was awful as well asvother dictatorial conduct but the major thing that retained after rejecting many of the other things is respecting my teachers. When I was a graduate student, I couldn't bring myself to call my supervisor by his first name even though he routinely would gently ask that I do. I’m sure he thought I was a weirdo. Now, some of my students call me by my title, others by my name and I don’t care which is used but your point resonated with me.

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I've been working with college students for about 23 years now in the US, though I did not go to school here.

Definitely some things in here that are familiar to me. When I went to grad school the first time around, I was the youngest of the cohort. When I went to grad school 20 years later, I was frankly shocked at how grad students in their early 20s were simply unable to take feedback on their work, and unable to engage in a respectful debate.

Violence against teachers though is a troubling trend, along with bullying. Every time I see a teen drama (Weak Hero, and then The Glory) I am so glad that I am not going to school now.

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There is some room for bringing back some form of disciplinary action on children who are disrespectful to teachers. Can teachers be awful? Absolutely. But rejecting authority figures outright and placing them in a position of vulnerability always means the village needed to raise a child is getting destroyed, one brick at a time.

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It seems the pendulum has swung too far from the earlier extreme of complete teacher authority and mindless corporal punishment to the other extreme where students and/or their parents rule, and the teacher is vulnerable.

My kids are in their early 20s now, but when they were at school I expected them to behave and be courteous to their teachers. Teaching is a tough job.

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Ah the joy of a Friday. I am excited to see if ANYTHING happens with the second couple in 19th life.

And super excited about DP2 and Uncanny Counter dropping next week.

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Such a tiring day, I just want to stretch out on my kdrama couch and watch anything and stare into space.

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I hope you will be a joyful KD couch potato today!

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I support the brilliance of this idea. See when I said your name indicated wisdom, this is exactly the kind of wisdom I feel is needed right now!

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😆 ❤️

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Was gonna write this on my fanwall but character limit haha
Maybe it was for the better.

When I first read the premise of this webtoon Marry My Husband, I didn’t get it. I thought if people were terrible to you, why not just avoid them? But the way this story played out was SO SATISFYING! Truly felt karmic.

I think it's being adapted into a kdrama and I'm wondering if the live action version will be able to do the webtoon justice.

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Fan wall limit is over ridden if you write offline then paste it into the box. That’s why you see walls with essays and pictures! You have to do all editing offline as once you paste it the original character count comes back into play as soon as you start to edit.

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I have a question about a feature of Korean speech in some KDs. Do any of you know if there is a syntactical name for this particular emphasis on certain syllables/words that elongates the initial sound somewhat gutturally? One example is at 21.19/20 in School 2017 where the principal dismisses an idea. It sounds very imprecisely like “khweee”!😊🥰. Thank you kindly!

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I'm watching a video on youtube about how women's fashion (and bodies) is policed and commented on and it made me think about a couple of things. Personally, I tend to swing like a pendulum between being comfortable with myself & body and feeling super self conscious. Just recently, I bought a dress and it was more form fitting than I thought. When I tried it on, all I could see was my love handles (for lack of a better term) but my mother was like you look totally fine, it's a nice fit, etc. It's when I have those self conscious thoughts that I wonder just how much is due to societal opinions impacting my own perspective about myself.

In the video I'm watching, they discussed how women are often judged no matter how they dress. If they wear pantsuits, they're too masculine. If they show skin, they're too sexy. Heaven forbid they show nipples. It's always this weird balancing act women have to do with every aspect of their lives including their fashion.

I also thought of how I've seen Korean actresses dress at the award shows. Obviously, SK is a pretty conservative country but good grief, people tend to look the same. There has been times when every woman on the stage was wearing white and I wondered if that was a requirement. I don't pay much attention to things like that but I think often times, the look they're going for are like angelic dolls or something.

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This. Seriously, all women in these Award shows look same, and they dress the same in every drama too. I have seldom found the lead woman character in any drama wear a dress that looked sexy on her, even when they are going out for a party at night (I don't know why, the dress that the FL lead wore in Boys over flower comes floating in my mind - what a disaster of a dress it was, ruffles everywhere and everyone around her behaved as if she was looking like a fairy).

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I had a Wtf moment yesterday that I want to share. Some background: I have a friend who was in a terrible domestic violence situation and still suffers from its trauma. She grew up in an appallingly restrictive and conservative environment (walking on the roads with her eyes down was expected behaviour, and talking to unrelated men earned severe discipline), was married off at a very young age and finally found herself abused and abandoned after a decade of a relationship that involved all sorts of abuse.

Now, I have been helping her stand on her feet after her separation, and she is a remarkable young lady. In my quest to share my love of my K-drama, we decided to binge-watch my current favourite - Our Blooming Youth.

In the second episode, when the Prince slammed Min Jay Yi to the door and covered her mouth to stop her from shouting, my friend looked dismayed and asked, 'Is he going to hit her?' The episode ended there, and I was absolutely unnerved and dumbfounded.

It never occurred to me that Hwan would hit Jay Yi, no matter how angry he was. Not ever. On the contrary, I remember reading comments on how some even found it hot (and forever lamented that we never got to revisit that macho side of him again and I agreed with them).

My friend started watching it, knowing that these two were the pair in the series. A man who hits a woman can never be her romantic half. Yet, my friend thought it was completely normal. I realized she had seen abuse to such an extent that she had internalized and normalized it!

It made me pause and think - what we believe as macho and even 'hot' can be interpreted entirely differently by someone who has experienced abuse.

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