Open Thread #818
by DB Staff
Happy Friday everyone!
Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.
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1 welh
June 23, 2023 at 5:03 AM
Netlfiix co-CEO held a press conference this week in Seoul. Local media was flummoxed by the lack of details about the platform’s k-content plans. He claimed that Netflix would continue its $2.5 billion investment plan in the next four years, double the amount when it first launch its Korean OTT in 2016. But the Korea Herald calculated this current investment amount is actually 22 percent less than the projected increases from 2016 to present. The CEO mentioned the investment includes funding for training programs for the next generation of creators in front of and behind the camera, referring to an all-encompassing investment in different genres and formats. In other words, the money is not going just for TV series productions. And one in five Netflix productions will have a first-time writer or director (i.e., cheaper talent). The CEO skirted some major issues such as the litigation about network usage fees (Netflix is a bandwidth hog and ISPs have demanded compensation to upgrade systems), the global ban on password sharing, and a sore spot with local production companies on profit sharing. It was reported that in series Netflix produces 100%, it keeps 98 percent of the profits. If you start parsing his words, it seems Netflix is going to spending potentially a lot on money on training, fx firms, expensive user fee claims and other genres and formats (game shows, variety shows, streamers?) There is also a carrot-on-a-stick approach for local production companies. The CEO said “We are giving creators the best compensation in the industry. We're calculating and paying more when Season 2 comes out." It means producers have to work harder on a series with the promise of getting better compensation if a second season is ordered.
My take: The incentive to go for second seasons undermines the traditional Korean series model of a self contained series. The promise of $2.5 billion is an illusory figure without details; it seems a great deal of it could be spent on non-drama expenses. And the clear impression is that Korean Netflix users and producers are not happy with the company.
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Soyesterday
June 23, 2023 at 6:34 AM
Im perfectly fine with them going away and taking their degenerate content with them.
That will never happen of course, but one can dream...
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Britney
June 23, 2023 at 7:59 AM
I'm not a fan of people knocking Netflix because that's how some,like me, were introduced to Kdramas. Boys over Flowers, Secret Garden, and Coffee Prince were available on there.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 23, 2023 at 8:02 AM
Same. If not for BoF recommendation by Netflix I wouldn’t be here!!
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indyfan
June 24, 2023 at 12:56 AM
Same same. Except it was SITR that was relentlessly pushed at me while I was stuck at home sick for a long time, and I finally pressed play on my first kdrama. The rest as they say…
As @babylilo said, their catalogue is vast. You can find something for everyone in it. I’ve enjoyed many “chaste” dramas as well as some other might call “degenerate.”
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 24, 2023 at 1:42 AM
Did you like Something in the rain and that’s why you kept watching K dramas or was it an incentive to see if there were others that were different?
indyfan
June 24, 2023 at 5:31 AM
@reply1988
Both. I just loved that crackly chemistry in the first half, and wanted more. And I was genuinely scratching my head during the second half. It was such a let down.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 24, 2023 at 5:52 AM
Have you seen the post on my fan wall? The feedback from some of the beanies on there may give some insight into the two halves issue.
indyfan
June 25, 2023 at 6:48 AM
@reply1988 Thanks. I'll check it out. TBH I have read so very much about it, including several interviews by the drama makers, I'm not sure what'll change my mind. I got, appreciated, their intent, but it's just not how it played out for me.
DancingEmma
June 24, 2023 at 5:49 PM
Agreed. As though the TV stations owned by the Korean corporations are angelic entities. Me thinks the use of the word ‘degenerate content’ screams a RW agenda which regards Netflix as the vanguard of the demonic forces hellbent on forcing poor innocent conservative people to watch LGBTIQ people existing. Just imagine the sheer horror of that!
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MikeyD signed up
June 23, 2023 at 9:15 AM
Netflix is not exactly (HBO) Max, degenerate content-wise. Jenny Kim (of Blackpink) was roped into doing the series 'Idol' which changed direction mid-production into straight-up sleaze and the actors who were contracted to work on the show were trapped.
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hacja
June 23, 2023 at 9:27 AM
So you are not a fan of Entartete Kunst? A little disappointing...
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Seon-ha
June 23, 2023 at 10:05 AM
Wow, @hacja, just…wow. That’s a deep historical cut.
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hacja
June 23, 2023 at 10:36 AM
Sorry. But "degenerate" is an awfully loaded term to apply to culture, especially when it is not true even if one isn't aware of its connotations. (which I think in this case is unlikely.)
I am no defender of the morality of Netflix (or capitalism in general!) but Love in a Small Town? Hometown Cha Cha Cha? When the Weather is Fine? Our Beloved Summer? Extraordinary Attorney Woo? Juvenile Justice? Those are all shows that I watched on Netflix, not to mention the two romances I'm enjoying now, King the Land and See You in my 19th Life. I guess I'm a degenerate! (Now THAT is probably true!)
Seon-ha
June 23, 2023 at 11:34 AM
No apologies necessary, @hacja. It was just suprisingly deep.
DancingEmma
June 24, 2023 at 11:56 PM
@hacja: You know who appreciates the Nazis? The Republican Party for one. Their mega donors collect Nazi memorabilia, their dim leader venerates fascism and their affiliated groups quote Hitler in their newsletters. Entartete Kunst is right up their alley!
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hacja
June 25, 2023 at 7:57 AM
@dncingemma This is of course way off topic, as I always am, but I have a couple of long time conservative friends who I grew up with, and for decades I got along with fine, despite our deep disagreements. But in the last 10 years things have changed, and they have became more and more extreme in their views, to the point where they are talking about banning books and censoring media, (even though in economics they were libertarian) and we can't even talk sports anymore, let alone kdramas. My politics remain where they've always been, moderately left on most issues, with a strong bias toward openness and equality, but it really saddens me what has happened on one side of the political spectrum in the U.S.
Back on topic: one thing I truly value on DramaBeans is that, while the U.S. dominates, there is a strong international fan base, there are a variety of political opinions that come out in discussing the shows, and discussion is, for the most part, quite civil!
Babylilo
June 23, 2023 at 10:40 PM
“Degenerate” is in the eye of the beholder, as well as a loaded word. I suspect that some of the shows to which you would apply that label are some of the shows that other people find the most entertaining and thought-provoking. There’s more than enough variety among the Netflix catalogue that you should be able to find plenty of G-rated fare, while I’m happy that they are offering some edgier content as well.
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kellie
June 23, 2023 at 7:13 AM
Dump 'em.
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Britney
June 23, 2023 at 7:32 AM
I don't mind multiple seasons as long as it makes sense. Poong, the Joseon Psychiatrist didn't need a second season. Taxi Driver, on the other hand, can benefit from a 2nd season because there's logically more stories to tell in that world. It would've been fine as a standalone season and it was argubly fine with a continuation of the story.
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bbstl 🧹
June 23, 2023 at 8:03 AM
Thanks for this, there’s a lot to think about here 🤔
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hacja
June 23, 2023 at 9:08 AM
Of course the background for this is the writer's strike in the U.S.
I figured, given their international popularity, that kdramas would be the go-to for U.S. based streaming services being hurt by the strike. While, on the one hand, it is great that talent development is part of the package, still it is hard not to recognize as @welh640 points out that trainees will be cheaper and easier to manipulate.
I personally am not so concerned about multiple seasons, although that will change the viewing experience, for sure. But since multiple seasons is the traditional U.S. model, there is an argument to be made that there is an element of security and stability for the writers, directors, and even stars of the shows--while not requiring risky concept development, of course.
I am worried about the long term impact on content. Netflix has in the past really been scattershot in its choosing of kdramas to adopt, picking up a whole range of things to see what makes it. That's why there have been some great shows on there as well as some weak ones. As they attempt to standardize and regularize their income, the potential exists for remake after remake of shows popular in the U.S. and Europe, and then U.S. and Europe will remake shows popular from Korea, so there will be a general homogenization of content across the globe. I also think that means a lot more cheap reality shows like "Physical: 100" or "Singles Inferno." Definitely not my favorite!
However, over the years I've been impressed by how "creators" (as they are called now by companies in order to pay them less) have overcome the capitalist constraints of pop culture to produce some original and very enjoyable art, so I'll be interested to see what happens!
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bong-soo
June 23, 2023 at 8:34 PM
One area I would like to see Netflix invest more or better is in subtitling. Netflix has the wherewithal to set the standard but I don’t think their subtitles match the quality provided by the unpaid volunteers at Viki.
Note to Netflix subtitlers: when a character says ‘hyung’ he is not saying that person’s actual name. That drives me up a wall. End of rant.
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Babylilo
June 23, 2023 at 10:49 PM
I have left a number of comments on Dramabeans comparing Netflix subtitles unfavorably to the ones on Viki, but now that I have watched a couple of kdramas on Hulu, they don’t seem quite so bad!
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bong-soo
June 24, 2023 at 6:26 AM
That is a disappointing report from the field.
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Babylilo
June 24, 2023 at 8:07 AM
It’s not so much that the Hulu subs are more poorly translated than on the other services… What is driving me crazy is the placement and timing. I have to rewind more frequently because subs aren’t appearing long enough to read them all the way through. And in the case of Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim, many of the subs are obscured under the credits (toward the start of each episode) and under the text translating the medical terminology into layman’s terms.
Britney
June 24, 2023 at 9:05 AM
Oh man, when the timing is off! I once again have a newfound appreciation to editors and timers as well the translators.
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Britney
June 24, 2023 at 8:56 AM
Well to a foreign viewer, it's a bit weird if characters are calling all the older characters "brother" & "sister". Especially when they aren't actually related to the characters.
It's a weird one because sometimes I get why a direct translation was used and sometimes I think it would be better to use titles or names.
Example: The Heavenly Idol had a character referred to as Ma Wang but the subtitles used "Devil". Devil is the translation of Ma Wang but it just didn't hit as well because it was kinda cartoony? Plus us foreigners tend to have an idea in mind once we see the word "devil". In Hwayugi/A Korean Odyssey, the character is referred to as Ma Wang and there's some subtitles that use that and one would just think that's his name.
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Babylilo
June 24, 2023 at 9:22 AM
I like it best when the subs just use the transliterated words “noona,” “hyung,” “oppa,” etc. The terms are specific to Korean language and culture, and there’s no real English equivalent. (Translating “oppa” as “brother” could be a bit disturbing when a woman is referring to her boyfriend.) After a few occurrences, the viewer should be able to discern the meaning from the context in which the word appears.
It’s a great way to begin to understand more about a culture different from one’s own!
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Britney
June 24, 2023 at 10:42 AM
I get that too but for a casual viewer or new viewer, it's easier to refer the characters by their names in the subs because again there can be a bunch of hyungs, nunas, etc.
And then it's probably too much to write the character name and then the title numerous times
Like Min Ho hyung when you could just use Min Ho.
Personally, I like the translations on Viki most. Sometimes they even give context for things being said such as with The Law Cafe, between the older neighbors, one always referred to the other as Hyungnim. I didn't know women referred to each other that way but according to Viki translators, it can be used between in laws or older women friends. (I think; it's been a long time since I watched the law cafe on viki haha)
Britney
June 24, 2023 at 10:46 AM
"After a few occurrences, the viewer should be able to discern the meaning from the context in which the word appears."
For the majority of May I Help You, people here didn't know if the senior funeral director was the brother, the ex, or the friend of the woman whose baby died.
Still not totally sure we landed.
Babylilo
June 24, 2023 at 11:34 AM
Sorry—I guess I was making some assumptions based on my own viewing preferences.
From what I’ve observed, the subs often do use just the given name, unless someone is making a formal introduction, or it’s a situation where using both family and given name is the appropriate form of address given the relationship of the speakers.
While I’ve come to understand more and more that there’s a highly stratified, highly complex etiquette around how people address each other (just count how often in a drama this becomes a point of discussion), I haven’t yet managed to grasp all the subtleties. Not just the forms of address, but the use of casual vs. polite vs. formal speech. I’m able to pick up on it more often the longer I watch kdramas. I find that Viki subs are most helpful in pointing out when the way people are speaking to each other is significant in understanding what’s going on.
I also refer to several websites that explain these rules and customs—some just the basics, some in greater detail. But I get that some of the people who watch kdramas just want to be able to follow along with the story.
bong-soo
June 24, 2023 at 12:36 PM
I personally prefer the Viki subtitling ‘style’ versus the Netflix ‘style’.
Viki doesn’t translate those common words referenced above. Back in 2016 when I started watching kdramas I didn’t know one word of Korean but I quickly picked up the meaning of those often used words.
Another thing about Viki subtitling that I prefer over Netflix is that Viki (at least in the past) does not directly translate profanity. It uses stars to get the point across. When I started to watch kdramas on Netflix and saw all those f-bombs it off-putting. Not 100 percent sure now but maybe Viki has succumbed in this area to directly translating profanity.
Britney
June 24, 2023 at 1:09 PM
More about subtitling, I don't know who was responsible for this but one thing I don't like is when the subtitles make needless changes. For example in the movie Parasite, the changed the university from Seoul National University to some American Ivy League (so I was just confused trying to figure out which word translated to that name. Like Harvard is prononuced/translated differently in Korean?!) But the reason for it was to get the point across that the guy was going to a prestigious school so for international audiences, it was just simpler to use a known Ivy League name. To me that was needless. If people cared enough, they could look up Seoul National University and for people just watching the movie, we get the point that he's going to university which is why he gave the rock gift & is leaving.
Fast Forward to Squid Game and they kept mentioning Seoul National University. There was no need to pander foreign audiences.
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2 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 5:10 AM
The Watch and Discuss K drama live meet up episode 3 will take place this September 🥳. We can’t stretch to a trip to Seoul but we hope to see some beanies able to travel to London in 3D. Please see this link for more information. https://www.dramabeans.com/members/mellowarmadillo/activity/1417009/
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3 Seon-ha
June 23, 2023 at 5:12 AM
So…Veteran Beanies! I’d appreciate it if you would consider telling us newbs about how it was around here during the height of the pandemic (2020-2022).
How did this turning point in history affect K-dramaland most? I hear tell, for example, that the filming/ending/plot of Hyena was affected in certain ways? If that’s so, how? And, whatever that was, was it a common thing across dramas filming at that time? Were there other interesting impacts on the dramas themselves that it would be worth knowing about as one watches series that were aired between 2020-2022?
How about this community during that time? What changes have you seen? Is Dramabeans the same place in the aftertimes as it was in 2019? I’m not asking for value judgments here really (like, “it was better”), more sort of any descriptions of changes and similarities.
Did Beanies post more? Less? The same? Did lots of folks leave…or was there a major influx of new voices?
Do tell if you have a moment!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 5:19 AM
I saw a fan wall post where beanies of faith formed a prayer circle to support each other which I thought was lovely. I also know that beanies checked in on each other and if someone was awol would flag it. One poor soul has been missing in action since those days so no one knows what happened to them as no one had a way to contact them off the site and as they were in the at risk category people fear the worst.
I wasn't around then but looking at old posts found things out and asked questions.
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Ally
June 23, 2023 at 6:33 AM
I’ve been here since 2016 and saw the transition from being run by @javabeans to the new site and all the through the pandemic as well. Yes, many people left during that time. But Some have come trickling back. Others have not. A couple that were very active have not been seen since, so I do fear they won’t ever be back. Amazingly, Kdramas never stopped being produced, and they took great pains to keep everyone healthy. Masking, testing daily, and quarantining when sick. They still mask in script readings. It’s strange that their shows have not even shown a mask or anything (except for 25-21) that I can remember.
DB is not that different from before, but the names are different and some that used to post diligently, rarely do now. I’m included. Pandemic took a lot out of me. I still watch, but don’t post as much about what I’m watching or participating as much on threads. There’s too much in real life to do since. I’m currently on a 2 week trip through the Mediterranean. My first international trip since the pandemic and traveling is a luxury and not taken for granted anymore!
It’s great that new voices have joined, but I miss what we had as well.
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Seon-ha
June 23, 2023 at 6:43 AM
Thank you for this contribution!! And…HAVE FUN on the trip! It sounds amazing.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 23, 2023 at 7:55 AM
I do miss some of the regulars who disappeared during Covid. Some regulars like P.pakane, YY and a few more have been missing. Some of them were the older demographic. It’s nice when I see a familiar name come back online. It’s good to know they are well and safe somewhere.
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Tizzy
June 23, 2023 at 9:19 AM
We miss your postings, Ally! I myself have not been watching dramas a lot. Of the 2023 dramas I only watched Crash Course on Romance. Just recently started KTL. Personally there's not a lot of dramas that interested me, not to mention time constraints. Perhaps the same goes with some inactive beanies. I only restarted posting this week because of KTL.
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Midnight
June 23, 2023 at 9:37 AM
1- The behind the scenes crews still wear masks while filming.
2- There were many mentions of the pandemic and masks throughout Brain Works but never in the actual story.
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Asha13
June 23, 2023 at 9:53 PM
Wow that sounds fun. Enjoy the trip!
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Ally
June 24, 2023 at 1:08 AM
Thank you! We’re on our way back now! I haven’t watched any dramas in 2 weeks, so looking gory to catching up!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 23, 2023 at 8:06 AM
I wasn’t very active during Covid. I came to DB only when a drama really hooked me and I wanted to read the recaps.
There was a period of uncertainty about DB and some of us worried it would disappear.
Some of us beanies had moved outside DB to chat. And that became my solace during the Covid years. Those beanies made those years so bearable and even fun.
Now I have returned to DB and spend more time here. This way I am not online all the time.
It’s nice to see the community thrive again and a lot of new members who are super active.
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4 cat-cric-kat
June 23, 2023 at 5:41 AM
heat - yeah it's heat wave - this is summer - +ve summer -
hot - its character - if not high, if not +ve - then can't be summer
there is only 2 weeks of spring - a -ve , autumn gonna be -ve too.
cold season - low around 1 to 5 can be +ve anything above 15 is -ve
rain - 1 hour of respite and many days of annoyance with humidity up - seems like monsoon is weak - but oceans are heated enough to bring storms n rains around.
Overall - next 3 weeks monsoon will decide or if autumn goes hot aka a -ve then returning monsoon might pick all vapour and non rainy season rains lash out whole region
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cat-cric-kat
June 23, 2023 at 6:00 AM
Nuclear energy costly - and literally affects nearby - bigger one is nuclear active materiel that can't be used more - dangerous n remains active for 1000 of years - this is one of the reason i was n still am with merkel -
plastic - no one cares - everyone wants easy things at cheap - then act like they r good -
Water - this is where entertainment is. every1 still acting cute while being highest level cruel exploiter - give n take is what world is - no one should cry when time is 2 pay d price -
to make it far more fair n just - free the rivers - from exploiters - dams r 1 of d biggest environment damaging n they r 4 d vanities of lousy creatures - no dam in d world is good for every1 in animal kingdom - not needed such loose tool with very few benefits - against d dams - this is y chaos is good - at least few good things come out of it.
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5 Blue (@mayhemf)
June 23, 2023 at 8:13 AM
Hello Beanies. Happy Friday!
I usually don’t know what to say in OT so hardly come here.
Last night I learnt that Ryu Jun Yeol and Hyeri have been dating. Lol. I was definitely living under the rock. Or I knew this and forgot about it (which wouldn’t surprise me given my memory) and am excited all over again.
I don’t care for real life ships, but somehow knowing this as I was watching a BTS of them during the reply1988, made me feel happy. Even though my ship sank and broke my heart the fact they ended up together was a nice twist!
Talking about memory - this whole treasure hunt series is making me realize how little I remember of dramas.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 8:24 AM
I think you knew and forgot because it’s been official since 2017! They met while filming Reply 1988 in 2015.
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Tizzy
June 23, 2023 at 9:22 AM
Yeah!!! I'm amazed how beanies can still remember entire scenes! I can't even remember which dramas have piggybacking scenes.
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MikeyD signed up
June 23, 2023 at 9:24 AM
What I find interesting is Lee Dong-hwi, who played the comic-relief friend Dong-ryong in 'Reply 1988' is dating Jung Hoyeon, the actress who played the North Korean defector in 'Squid Game'.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 9:38 AM
He was the lead in Pegasus Market and I didn't recognise him.
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 5:40 PM
When couples date for a long period of time, sometimes I forget they're together. Like Woo Bin and Min Ah, Soo Young and Jung Kyung Ho, or Hye Ri and RJY.
And sameeeeee. I can't get one treasure hunt right. My memory is major trash. 😆
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 23, 2023 at 6:15 PM
May be we need to start taking notes when watching dramas 😉
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 8:05 PM
LOL yeah, maybe we should. 😆😌
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Seon-ha
June 23, 2023 at 7:00 PM
If treasure hunts aren’t your thing, don’t ding yourself. Your value is high…just elsewhere. We all see it.
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 8:07 PM
It's more about being able to participate in the conversation, imo. I like to know what everyone's talking about.
It's fun!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 7:22 PM
I am fascinated how long some couples date for without getting married although I know lots of people are not into marriage but still see their relationship as a permanent thing these days.
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 8:15 PM
I'm not a fan of marriage but for some weird reason, I love to see people date for a long period of time.
It makes me believe in love. 😆
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welh
June 24, 2023 at 5:17 AM
Actress Oh Nara has been dating her boyfriend for the past 24 years. She doesn't think marriage certificate is necessary.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 7:25 PM
I am loving the King the land tag name, finally I am watching a drama where I can make the connection🥰
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 8:24 PM
That's how I feel when I watch a drama that helps me understand a beanie level's reference. 😆
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welh
June 24, 2023 at 5:23 AM
My understanding of Korean dating culture is that friends/family set up someone with someone they know. At the 100 day mark, dating becomes "serious." If you continue one, the expectation is marriage within a year.
In celebrity world with crazy fan bases, celebrities are obligated to keep relationships quiet to avoid career backlash from fans, advertisers and producers who only want pure, innocent and available images of idols or actors.
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wapz
June 24, 2023 at 1:48 AM
How are you Blue? I've been missing you and so sorry but happy very belated birthday! Have you been watching Hidden Love? Looks right up your alley, also mine hehe.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 24, 2023 at 6:43 AM
Wapzzz! Missed you here! Thought real life sucked you back. Hope things are going well for you.
Thank you for your wishes! I took a vacation and enjoyed the day.
I had mostly been watching kdramas as I had quite a few on my plate that i enjoyed.
Cdramas were mostly a miss. Meet yourself set too high a standard this year. I dropped so many after first 2 episodes. The worst I have seen was Skip a beat!!!
Seeing all the love for Hidden love will start soon 😬
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6 abalyn
June 23, 2023 at 2:38 PM
Can anyone tell me what happened to to OCN? Somehow we went from regular dark crime shows to no mention of them.
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Kurama
June 23, 2023 at 2:52 PM
Good question. It looks like CJ E&M decided to use the sister channel TVN instead. Voice 4 or The Uncanny Counters 2 ended on TVN.
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 5:47 PM
I have the same question, I used to love OCN.
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7 Britney
June 23, 2023 at 5:03 PM
Why are people moving into Chinese & I think Japanese dramas? From the descriptions I've seen on some shows, the premises and tropes are pretty similar. What is the difference in execution?
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tabong
June 23, 2023 at 5:46 PM
Maybe that's what makes them like it? The similarities?
I noticed that last year people that wanted a good romcom would go to j-dramas or c-dramas since j-dramas started to have all those murder plots in their romance.
But there's also a little differences.
I'm a fan of romcoms but I couldn't enjoy their dramas. They're not my style.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 23, 2023 at 6:22 PM
Hmmmm. Interesting qn. I do watch a lot of cdramas (mostly modern dramas) but I think they are different. I feel cdramas feel ‘lighter’ (modern ones) and their tropes aren’t as heavy as kdramas. Also, there are no class differences depicted. Due to censorship you won’t see bullying, physical abuse at work, loud screaming villains or rich chaebols.
Also their dramas are shorter at 45 min and their release schedule is usually 4-5 days in a week. And they end quickly. You don’t wait months for a drama to end.
For those who love historicals cdramas probably churn out a lot more than kdramas. And their fantasy/Xianxia genre has its own fan following.
I am sure people here have better perspective of this, but I can’t seem to explain this properly.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 7:44 PM
J dramas have shorter run time 8-10 episodes often and very little padding e.g. forced separations etc so they feel more realistic. The production quality sucks as often they have a random cut and move into the next scene with very little pomp and ceremony.
Chinese rom coms feel like 1950’s films to me, they stay in genre and are glossy. They release several episodes a week but they are ridiculously long series like 24 episodes is standard so they do pack a lot of trouble deciding to date or couple against the world tropes to stretch it out. There can be some similar tropes like an annoying manager/fellow worker who work as a pack to manipulate the situation to undermine the leads. They often have the jealous second female lead and often the male second lead is the same type of character rather than the ‘sweet much better option than the male lead’ trope. They often use the ‘rude mother/in law who is against the relationship’ especially in a Noona romance. There won’t be any random genres in the mix EVER so you can relax knowing the couple will get together in the end and the adversity will be real life issues or fantasy mixes like body swaps but never a stalker.
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wapz
June 24, 2023 at 2:06 AM
For one I think cdramas and especially jdramas have always been in the mix for most people who watch kdramas. In fact, some came from jdramas to here, cdramas are comparatively new in popularity to international audiences. They only gained more popularity internationally in the last 7 to 8 years. But all three are pretty different.
Jdramas are very realistic imo. They tackle the smallest of things and amplify them making each moment in life count. Plus they are shorter usually 9 to 11 episodes but watching them live is a hassle because subs are usually not immediately available. I turn to jdramas when I want a dose of grounded realism. I think they are the best in the slice of life genre but that's my pov from not seeing enough japanese romcoms.
Cdramas are similar to kdramas but they've done one thing right, they adopt the tropes that work and remove those thay don't. Which is why chinese romcoms are more light hearted and breezy than korean romcoms per say. I'm sure this doesn't go for every show but I've noticed this pattern where they are basically building up on the existing formula but add their own touch. Which is why in terms of escapism, i feel cdramas are the most escapist, then k and then j. Again provided I didn't watch many crime or family chinese dramas which can be pretty real too. I personally enjoy chinese modern shows usually romcoms and slice of life and fantasy xianxia genre. For me, it's pretty simple, I feel they are squee worthy, light, funny and overall enjoyable. I also appreciate good angst, if there's an unnecessary one, I may drop the show.
So yeah I guess people go to j and c dramas for very different reasons. Kdramas have been lackluster for me this year, especially with the lack of good romcoms so I get my dose from cdramas instead. I have been jdramas this year after 2019, because again kdramas weren't clicking for me in the slice of life genre.
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wapz
June 24, 2023 at 2:09 AM
That* watching jdramas again*
Ugh sorry for the typos.
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darwi
June 25, 2023 at 9:45 AM
For my part, I like funny absurd chinese romcom. I find these more formulating, and there are scene that crack me up.
They are lighter, so easier to follow and good for relaxing.
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8 Britney
June 23, 2023 at 5:30 PM
Once upon a time, I saw a clip of Kim Kardashian saying at least part of the reason her relationship with Kanye failed is because he needs someone can give him unwavering support. When I saw that, my instant thought was "but what if what he wants to do is stupid or harmful or reckless?" (Which from what I understand, he has a tendancy to do things of that nature). I often see people talk about fans & celebrities in a similar way. Fans are just supposed to support the celebrity no matter what they do.
Voicing any concerns or criticism tend to be met with "we need to just love & support them" or people getting super defensive or coddling (like when that idol wore the swatiza shirt or whatever it was and you had the people who called her out cause she had worn it more than once and you had her defenders saying she couldn't possibly know about nazis, she's only whatever age she is)
Acknowledging a celebrity is no longer as successful or popular as they were gets a similar response.
What and where is the line?
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9 Babylilo
June 23, 2023 at 11:16 PM
I recently subscribed to HULU. Every now and then while I’m watching, a scene will abruptly end right before it appears to be finished, then the screen goes black for a second before the next scene begins. This has happened with both Call It Love and Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim 3. Has anyone else experienced this? Does anyone know what might be causing the problem?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 11:22 PM
I would be interested to hear the explanation. I have seen it in Japanese dramas and assumed it was rubbish editing as it happened in several shows. I don’t think I have noticed it on a K drama before but I have not seen either of these shows so can’t comment.
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Midnight
June 23, 2023 at 11:33 PM
Sometimes this happens where the original Korean network has had an ad. But I don't know about those two shows specifically.
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Babylilo
June 23, 2023 at 11:36 PM
If I were streaming an American show that had originated on network tv, I would suspect the sudden interruptions were the places where the commercial breaks would have been inserted. But I haven’t seen this particular issue with kdramas on other platforms, so I’m guessing it’s a HULU problem.
There were a couple of shows I watched on VIKI where the ends of episodes or the epilogues got cut off. (I knew they were missing from reading the Dramabeans recaps.) I remember one of the shows was Fight My Way. I contacted tech support, and they said they’d look into it. I haven’t had this problem for a while, though.
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Midnight
June 23, 2023 at 11:46 PM
I have seen the sudden interruption on many dramas but I never really noticed if it was specific to a streaming service... I always thought it depends on who is editing the ads out, novice or pro, kdrama fan or kdrama indifferent 😄
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 11:54 PM
‘I always thought it depends on who is editing the ads out, novice or pro, kdrama fan or kdrama indifferent 😄’ 👈🏾 love that having seen enough dramas scenes about the time it takes to edit I imagine another category for poor work would be awake or tired depending on whether it was at the beginning or end of their shift.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
June 23, 2023 at 11:51 PM
I remember the missing epilogues issue being raised😊.
I didn’t think about ad breaks being the cause of the abrupt cuts.
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Babylilo
June 24, 2023 at 12:08 AM
It’s definitely a thing with American tv shows.
On a related (though tangential) note: if you watch movies from the pre-digital age, you may notice a brief blip or dot flashing in the upper right corner of the picture. This was a visual cue to alert the film projectionist that the reel is nearing the end and to get ready to switch to the next reel of film. You can still see those blips, even if you’re watching the movie on tv, and also notice a slight break where the reels would have changed.
indyfan
June 24, 2023 at 1:03 AM
That’s odd. Those cuts don’t appear when I see those shows on Disney. I would think it’s those same versions Hulu streams.
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Babylilo
June 24, 2023 at 7:54 AM
That’s good to know. I’m thinking of contacting HULU about the problem, and now I can tell them that’s definitely not the way the shows are supposed to be. Thanks!
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10 redfox
June 26, 2023 at 3:17 AM
I was away for midsummer and now I don´t feel like working. brought 9kg of food from the garden. easier living.
it is a busy monday but someone messed up the schedule, we are 2 ppl short and nobody realised a famous writer coming for a workshop had not assistence from us. he was cool about it but hey. unprofessional
anyway, been watching Flower of Evil, I like that the drama gives you space to observe and take in every little change and facial expression of our characters.
they are both very symphatetic and it is a rare drama where the female lead has maybe even lore leverage. But also the other character are nicely fleshed out and you can feel their inner dilemmas and struggles. everyone has sort of different reasoning and moral compasses. we sense that it is complicated to be human and make decisions.
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