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My Lovely Liar: Episodes 7-8

The truth, as they say, hurts. And there are lots of painful truths spilling out left and right this week. But what actually is truth? As our human lie detector is slowly learning, lies aren’t always as they appear on the surface — and sometimes the reason behind a lie is more important than the lie itself.

 
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Sol-hee comes clean about her lie-detecting ability, fully expecting the knowledge to drive Do-ha away. (And no wonder she thinks that, because her mom drilled into her from childhood that no one will like her if they know.) In the moment, Do-ha doesn’t have a response. But as he recalls their previous encounters, the pieces fall into place — that’s how she always knew to defend him from false accusations.

To Sol-hee’s surprise, Do-ha shows up at the tarot café first thing in the morning to help clean up the mess her mother made. When she tentatively reminds him about her secret, he just shrugs: “So what?” He adds later that he wouldn’t believe such a claim from anyone else, but because it’s Sol-hee, it makes sense.

Things take an awkward turn when Do-ha and Sol-hee end up at a restaurant seated right next to Kang-min and his cop partner. It doesn’t take long for Kang-min to deduce the two aren’t actually dating (yet), since Do-ha has unknowingly ordered a dish she can’t eat. Once Kang-min leaves and Sol-hee explains the situation, Do-ha makes a point of memorizing her food sensitivities right then and there so it won’t happen again.

There’s a cute little running joke throughout this episode where Do-ha freely tells people he’s Kim Do-ha, and then smiles in satisfaction when they assume he’s joking. It starts with Sol-hee’s bodyguard, BAEK CHI-HOON (Ha Jong-woo), who thinks Do-ha is a fellow Sha-on fan, and extends to the local shopkeepers, one of whom has just named Do-ha as his favorite composer.

His and Sol-hee’s growing friendship with said shopkeepers leads Do-ha to defend baker SO BO-RO (Jo Jin-se) when the latter is accused of selling bug-infested bread. Do-ha doesn’t need Sol-hee’s lie detection to know Baker So is innocent. So when a rude customer starts flinging insults, Do-ha buys out the entire stock of bread. Only once Do-ha is alone does he stop to wonder how in the world he’s going to eat it all.

Together, Do-ha and Sol-hee trace the accusations to a local realtor, who’s scheming to buy the bakery for a low price to give to his son (the same rude customer from before). Baker So’s confidence is restored, as is his business, and he gets his revenge for the psychological distress by dousing the entire realtor office in flour.

Unfortunately, I spoke too soon last week when I said Sha-on came to terms with Do-ha’s rejection. She’s still roaming the neighborhood looking for him, and when Chi-hoon takes her to the tarot café to shield her from fans, she takes advantage of the opportunity to try and scare Sol-hee off. Unabashedly admitting she intentionally used Do-ha’s trauma against him (I have no words), she tells Sol-hee straight up that he killed someone.

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Sol-hee tries not to jump to conclusions before hearing it from Do-ha himself, framing the accusation as “a weird rumor I heard.” In response, Do-ha says he was indeed a murder suspect — but that he didn’t do it. Sol-hee’s relieved smile fades as her lie alarm rings. Still, she gives him another chance the next day, hoping she heard wrong. Again, he says, “I didn’t kill her.” Again, the bell rings.

Late that night, she calls him, drunk. The shrimp doesn’t taste as good when he’s not there to peel it, she sighs. Despite the rift between them, he still comes to drive her home. He can tell she’s sticking to “safe” conversation to avoid hearing him lie again, and when she tries to deny she’s scared of him, he astutely observes that she can’t hear her own lies.

Do-ha returns to his Seoul apartment and confronts Sha-on again, making it clear he’s 1) angry and hurt, and 2) not interested in her — so she’d better leave Sol-hee alone. Deuk-chan, more worried than ever, finally tells Do-ha that the missing girl’s brother, CHOI EOM-HO (Kwon Dong-ho), has found them. He hadn’t wanted to ruin Do-ha’s peaceful new life with the threat of danger. Both conversations give Do-ha a crucial but heartbreaking revelation: Sha-on and Deuk-chan are protecting him, but they also secretly think he’s guilty.

Speaking of secrets, while on a job at the cancer center, Sol-hee runs into Kang-min. Finally, the truth comes out: He had stomach cancer (his treatment was successful), and didn’t want to burden her with his suffering. Now Sol-hee understands that his lies were well-intentioned, if misguided, and Kang-min realizes that she feels worse not having known about his illness than if he’d told her.

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He wants to try again, but all Sol-hee can think of is Do-ha. Kang-min is sweet and understanding about it, saying that he’ll be here if they don’t work out. (It kind of sounds like he’s saying when they don’t work out, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.)

Kang-min’s observation that Sol-hee can’t hear the reasons behind people’s lies is the push she needs to seek Do-ha out. Fortunately, she calls Do-ha for the unit number, because Eom-ho is disguised as a security guard. Recognizing Eom-ho’s voice over the phone, Do-ha runs outside. Sol-hee finds him before Eom-ho does, and they end up hiding behind a wall, holding onto each other for dear life. Once Eom-ho leaves, Do-ha offers to tell Sol-hee his whole story, but she says there’s no need — she believes him.

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The more I see of Deuk-chan, the more I’m convinced he has good intentions but has made some questionable (at best) decisions that will come back to bite him. He seems to have built J Entertainment from the ground up, considering his inner circle still get tripped up about using formal speech in work contexts. And his conversation with Do-ha’s mother (who wants to send Do-ha to Germany ASAP for the sake of her own political advancement) makes me wonder if she had a hand in helping both him and Do-ha start over after the ex-girlfriend incident.

I can understand why he’s terrified of Do-ha’s past coming to light, both because of what could happen to Do-ha and because it could cost him everything he’s worked for. I just hope that, if it comes down to it, he’ll choose Do-ha over the company’s image.

As for Do-ha, I find the complexity of his “lie” fascinating. Another glimpse of that night on the beach shows us that his response to his ex’s threat of suicide was to tell her to go ahead. Which, yes, is a horrible thing to say. But so is manipulating someone with that sort of threat in the first place. And it doesn’t make him guilty of murder.

Deep down, I think Do-ha knows it wasn’t his fault. That’s why he’s so disappointed when people he trusts don’t believe him, and why he keeps saying he didn’t kill her, even after learning Sol-hee’s secret. But he’s also convinced himself that he’s responsible for her death, which is why his words ring false. And that’s what makes Sol-hee’s declaration at the end so important: she’s choosing to believe in the person, not the words — in the essence of his character, not just the things he believes about himself.

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Zzigum - I cackled at this bit! Park Gyeong-hye has such little screen time but she kills every scene she’s in, I love her vibe!! And - “you can’t hear your own lies can you”, great serve! Main conflict made touchdown this week with both DH and SH’s secrets laid bare and honestly, it was all handled with pretty mature, ‘rational’ and reasonable responses. Glad this major speed bump - along with the Gang-min mystery - was crossed BEFORE they get properly involved with one another.

I found this week’s discussion of ‘reason’/motivation particularly interesting, because I think it’s central to why I’m still suspicious of Deuk-chan. He seems to mean it when he says he wants to protect and support Do-ha but I can’t fully figure out whether the motivation behind this is pure or based on personal interest. I’m leaning towards the latter because Deuk-chan keeps bringing the company to the forefront of his logic (“what about the company, did you think about us?”& “if his identity is revealed, who’d listen to your songs?”). Sure, I get not trusting a woman you just met and also the guy who stabbed Do-ha once is on the hunt again BUT he’s got this tendency to see Do-ha as someone who can’t think or speak for himself, as well equating his value to a ‘means’ of success for him/the company. So although part of his protectiveness may come from a place of good intentions, it’s not that far away from Sha-on who sees Do-ha as an object she has to have and as someone she thinks she knows best for, and Assemblywoman Jung who just sees her son as an annoying hurdle she has to move. It’s also best exemplified by the fact that all three of them have either outright or implicitly referred to Do-ha as a murderer (rather than murder suspect) and also in the fact that all three of them want to squirrel him away into hiding - Deuk-chan because he doesn’t want the past to come up and ruin everything they’ve built, Sha-on because she doesn’t want anyone else to “have” him, and his mum because she doesn’t want the past to come up and ruin what she’s trying to build.

The way I see it, three of them, in differing degrees, tend not to see Do-ha as a human and feel the need to speak for him and/or tell him what to do to further their own goals in a way. I know we hate the brother because of how he blackmails Do-ha with the whole ‘we helped you’ thing, Sha-on because she weaponises his past to trap him, and his mum for blackmailing him with the ‘I got you out of the bad situation son’ bit, but can you really say Deuk-chan definitely isn’t employing a version of this kind of emotional blackmail? An implicit, “I helped you so you should think of the me/the company” sort of unseen guilt trip? I guess we’ll know for sure what Deuk-chan really feels if - and when, I think - Do-ha decides to legit not write for Sha-on anymore and maybe focuses on the convenience store boy instead. Or if he goes public with the whole murder-suspect thing and both DC...

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and the mum will feel the heat. OR if they reveal he was actually involved somehow with the ex-gf in the first place.

But anyways, cute moments galore this week also which is 🥰 as usual! The meet-cute flashback between GM and SH was also cute, I got teary at their dinner when she walked out and it was over over . You bet I also burned through the replay button watching that trip scene in ep 5 and the final scene of ep 6 over and over and over again. The only ‘qualm’ I had is with the supporting townspeople trio. A few people mentioned way earlier that those characters seemed a bit forced and unnecessary, but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt till this week. I get that they’re there to demonstrate that both our leads are coming out of their shells and while I was here for the lightheartedness of most of ep 5, feel like we could’ve done without the entire realtor plotting against bread man sub-plot - also because it was resolved (???) in a lacklustre way that didn’t really do much besides from giving Do-ha and Sol-hee a chance to briefly mingle and make friends at the thank you party. There’s more than enough going on in the plot that we could sustain episodes without those three I think.

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My guess is that the townspeople, especially the baker, will be ones that stand by Do-ha when the truth is revealed to the public. I think the show might want to show the contrast between people who are close to him (who think of him as a murderer to a certain degree), and those that are new in his life who choose to believe him.

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I like the way you think, I didn't consider that at all but I can see what you're saying now!!

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I love this idea, I hadn't thought about it either!

I don't love the salad woman and bar dude, but I like the baker, so I'm glad this subplot focused mostly on him. I think those scenes are also important because they show Do-ha and Sol-hee choosing to interact with and help other people in a way that they really haven't before. Once when they were eating they both mentioned that they really didn't have any friends, because one is essentially in hiding and the other avoids hearing people lie. So this was an instance that they were both taking a step forward that they wouldn't normally take, and maybe showing that they are both really good influences on each other (instead of just Sol-hee bringing Do-ha out of his shell).

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Agree and the side story with the baker was nice because it motivated them to open to other people apart from just each other. He's also the only character I liked of the 3 shop owners so I'm glad the side story revolved around him.

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I really like the running gag of him trying to claim that he made a fresh batch "just for you" but everyone was just like "yay leftovers" with genuine smiles on their faces. Cuz I too appreciate good leftover bread

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He's so earnest and sweet to everyone. I'm glad he got more screentime.

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This was the first week that I agree about Deuk-chan. I found him so endearing early on, but he's been pretty consistent in his priorities and it's finally starting to wear on me. I still don't find him sinister at all, but it's looking clearer and clearer that while he might care a lot about Do-ha, he cares about the company a bit more. But I think his reason for not telling Do-ha about Violent Hyung was genuine, and he really does want to see him happier. I'd love to see him have to make a decision in the future between betraying Do-ha and choosing the company's interests or the other way around, and to realize he needs to support and believe his friend.

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Something I find harder to believe than lie-detector bells -- a composer who achieves the level of fame normally reserved for rock-star performers.

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The line between reality and fiction is very narrow indeed… :)

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Although I really appreciate that in kdrama land anyone really good at their profession can become instantly recognizable and have billboards and a driver— Visual artists, professors, accountants, lawyers, academy teachers, web toon artists, athletes famous fifteen years ago, writers of books in the digital age… I am also always so impressed by all the average bystanders of kdrama land who instantly recognize these people and helpfully tell us who they are.

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I once narrowly avoided an incredibly embarrassing situation when I thought I saw my favorite poet out on the street one day. Realized my mistake with not a moment to spare!

I'm sure Do-ha isn't quite as famous, but if he's consistently winning awards and writing hits he might be relatively well known. Couple that with the fact that he maintains intense privacy and I can see how it would make him more famous than if he was just out in the world normally.

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I was thinking of Teddy. I'm not into Kpop but I've heard that name far too many times or rather I've heard of Blackpink (everyone has at this point I feel) and he's like their plus one.

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every time I see doha in the producer/songwriting setting in this drama, I think about teddy. teddy is a well known kpop producer since bigbang/2en1 days and he's known for always be using a mask so since ep 1 I wondered if he inspired the writer in some way lol

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Its possible, I also think Sha-on is inspired from IU a little (minus the crazy obsessive bits).

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Hey, wait…did we ever catch the real masked creep who was running around the neighborhood scaring women at night? Can someone remind me?

This week was mainly slow exposition and character development, but frankly I enjoyed every visual offered. So much pretty all around—landscape, actors, hairstyles, clothing (yes, even the 90s dress-pants combos), tarot cards, architecture…Purty.

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Yeah I think so, if you're talking about the stalker dude who was assaulting people (the one Do-ha got mistaken for). In that same scene, they use the fact that the girl sprayed perfume on the culprit accidentally & sniffed him out in the crowd.

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Yes it was resolved. They caught the guy hanging around with the mob when they confronted masked DoHa. It was resolved the next episode, first minutes of ep 2. He was wearing a reversible jacket and was caught due to Kassandra's perfume. The bar guy smelled the perfume on him.

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dress-pants combos

I’m not going to be your friend anymore.

This week would have been a bit dull if it weren’t for all the pretty, but this show needs to not go the KTL route and substitute pretty for substance. I’m one of those who thinks the side characters and their side plots are taking up too much space for the little exposition they contribute.

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I’m used to being abandoned. It’s OK. Everyone always leaves me eventually.

I take your point about KTL. For me, this show seems less determined somehow (not quite sure what I mean by that adjective, but it fits), and therefore I am happy just to follow along lightly. I’m going to make a gif of that flour scene. It was really satisfying to watch….

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Seon-ha.. lol OMO!

You have to pay attention. Please look at the instruction by Jong-min here at the 3.02 minute mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oocls0k0PQo

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Did I understand correctly? Was that advice, “Just memorize harder??” 😂🤣🥹

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My internal monologue in the 2ML-FL scene:

- Cancer, yup. Beanies, we guessed it.
- And he didn't tell her cos he's a noble idiot? Shocker.
- No girl, why are *you* sorry?
- OK, fine, damn those sad eyes.
- He's not shocked by her lie-detecting power? Is everyone gonna be so chill?
- Oh, I get it. 2ML = plot point. Seriously? She hadn't figured yet she can't hear the reasons behind lies?
- Sad eyes been damned. He's got some nerve asking her out.
- Yes! You tell him. No one waits for noble idiots.
- OMG!!! He's so cool with it, and so sad and endearing. Those eyes! Damn it!
- No, wait, so he's gonna hang around and cause trouble? Sigh.

Beautiful scene. Seo Ji-hoon can make you feel. But the truth is, the OTP were so sweet together. I'm liking them together a lot and rooting for them. Tho it doesn't make sense to me she wouldn't want to hear the reason behind his lie. I mean she would have wanted to know her ex lied because he had cancer. But OK. Plot says ML just needs someone to believe in him.

I'm not particularly finding the other secondary characters and storylines all that interesting, tbh. But we need the conflict I guess. So rolling with it so I can keep enjoying our main cuties.

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Are you in my head? this is exactly what happened to me, lol.

To your point about the reason behind the lie. It is probably due to her mother lying all the time, even though ironically she kind of picked up her habit in a different way.

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Two cents more on the male acting debate. We talk about Min-hyun acting within a narrow range, but so is Ji-hoon. He’s not much more than a sweet, sad-sack pining for his ex. Is he nailing that? Heck yeah. But let’s see how he does outside that box as well. (I suspect he will do well tho.)

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He already did in revenge of others

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I've seen him in other things, but he isn't doing much in this because he has nothing much to work with. So fair enough.

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Agree. He’s not being asked to do much else.

I haven’t seen his other shows such as Revenge of Others. One of these days…

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He has been doing supporting role for many years now and has been good in all. Also, recently in Revenge of others he potrayed two different role in the same series and killed it there so, I can say he is much better actor than the ML.

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Thanks for a great recap, @mistyisles.

Your comment o the truth we believe about ourselves and the essence of the situation is really insightful and on point (and this is why I initially thought, and sometimes still think, that the title "My Lovely Liar" refers to the ML. He is in such a bad company. His mother, his "hyung", and the singer he had always believed and stood by her all think he is a murder. The man already blamed himself for indirectly causing the ex's (supposed) death (which I think will be revealed that it isn't true), and having all these people whom he loves and are supposed to return his love believed that he was the culprit is nothing short of a death sentence to me (poor HMH)! The FL, while learning more about her ability, seems to be the only one in his life that chooses to believe him despite her supernatural ability. Without her presence, I don't think I can watch the show any longer because I would feel too bad to watch the ML being surrounded by these so-called loved ones. I guess that the FL and the SML would join hands in uncovering the truth about the ML's ex girlfriend incident. And the truth will come to light.

Regarding DC, I agree with @lapislazulii's comment. He seems suspicious to me, tbh. It's true the lie alarm didn't ring when he said he cared for the ML, but I think his morality is pretty grey. Not only did he indirectly allow the ghostwriting in his company and Syon to emotionally manipulate the ML without doing anything to really prevent that from happening again, he did KNOW about how his younger brother threatened the ML for money several times using their help in that incident as his excuse. Another time I was super suspicious of him is when he met with the ML's mother. His eyes were cold when he said the ML could use some time abroad. Thinking how these two seem to be close, I couldn't help but thought that the ML's mother had a hand in helping DC building up his career. It would profit her in many ways: Having someone to take care of her "guilty" son, and to move him away from her (i.e., ML often said she was scared of his face because she also thought he was a murder). And yes, if we look at his words, his thoughts seemed to revolve around the company, not the ML per se.

Syon using his weakness to her advantage in the name of love, this is becoming too toxic. She needs professional help. This level of obsession is borderline clinical, I should think.

These eps remain the cutest eps so far, and I live for this. For a seemingly light-hearted rom com, this show has exceeded my expectations. Its main concept is really interesting and insightful. I applaud the cast and crew for making such a beautiful (visually as well as the plot) show. And the leads have really good chemistry. Contrary to sizzling chemistry between the leads in some other dramas (e.g., Live Up to Your Name), the leads' chemistry here is much more subtle, calm, and makes you feel good. They are like good...

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They are like good friends, and they choose and support one another really well. Very compatible, may I say.

And contrary to many opinions here that express their dislike of the FL's wardrobe, to me she is gorgeous in every outfit she wears. I don't know if this is an effect of me liking the show or the ML too much, but the FL can wear no wrong in this show. She just looks like a woman in love. She glows no matter what she wears.

And King Min, of KANG MIN THE SML, those sad, puppy eyes sure can melt many Beans' hearts including mine. His and the FL's meet cute was really, really cute. If it wasn't that the ML was the ML, I'd have rooted for you. While it sounds ridiculous on the paper (i.e., noble idiocy), the way the actor portrayed it really move me. I think I could understand him.

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I'm not quite sure I understand why the FL threw the SML under the bus.
Before people start shouting at me :) -Yes, I'm not denying there was noble idiocy involved on the SML's behalf BUT never at any stage did he want to call off the wedding.
At the end of episode 3 they were having a conversation at night - She 'heard' the lie bell but he wasn't lying he just wanted a bit of time. She very quickly said let's break up and didn't give him any opportunity to discuss anything and walked away.
It takes two to tango.
The ML who she has known for 5 minutes and has also "heard" the lie bell a few times now and also knows it's regarding a murder but she has decided to give him the benefit of the doubt.
HUH?

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I think she was young at the time of her breaking up with SML. SML also thought it'd be best to just leave her without telling her about his conditions (probably because he wasn't sure he would make it out alive). She understood the situation as what she saw and heard (i.e., the gong sound). As you said, it takes two to tango, so the fact that they've broken up is just the result of many factors at play during the time. I agree that she is drawn to the ML because of something (probably because he didn't lie even if it is a minor thing and because he stayed with her even when she told him about her power? That was something the FL perceived what drove the SML away from her. She thought he was scared of her just like her mother was.)

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Oh clearly, the FL was very immature. She was seeing the world in black and white with her power.

The SML should have told her the truth but we don't know how long he lied before they broke up. But I often have a different vision of the marriage than in TV shows, for me, we share everything. But in Kdrama, they kinda have this ideal thing where everything should be perfect...

But the poor guy was young and had a very bad cancer and didn't know how much time he had. So I kinda understand why he didn't poursue her after to beg her to marry him when he didn't know if he will live. It's hard to ask someone to stay with you until the death when it could be dead in some months.

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I know what Kang Min did was a dumb move but some people don't want to show themselves in their lowest phase to their loved ones. But I kinda hope they did not go with this noble idiocy route. I am not really a fan of love triangles but if they are doing that, I prefer those type of love triangle where I am not sure who will end up with the FL.

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It was just literally weeks that he lied to her because of his cancer. In reality some patients would even take months before they can tell their family so I also do understand him on that part so I don't think it was wrong for him to lie about that what was wrong was he literally just disappeared out of her life leaving her no chance to at least save their relationship.

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FL also had an epiphany about reasons people lie when she had the conversation with her ahjussi client at the hospital. Experience and years in the field layered her understanding of lies in more ways than one. By that time, her heart is elsewhere and too deep with our ML to even consider getting back with her ex. That ship has sailed.

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I wonder if the FL would have fallen in love so quickly with the ML if she had lost her power before meeting him 🤔

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I think it might not happen or it would take more time for her to fall for him. My feeling is that what drew her attention to him at first was the fact that she didn't hear the gong sound in the ML's words to the point she thought he was "the one" according to Master's Sun until that "lie" came along.

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I think she was interested in him because her work is to know the truth behind every people. He was hidding so many things (and wasn't very subtil about it), it made him a challenge, it's why she tried to see his face.

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I think it would have happened because you don't need a bell gong to see when someone is sincere and Do-ha was always sincere with her. She would have been drawn to him also because they are both lonely people in different ways but can still understand each other.

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I guess she trusted her own power over Kang Min. If she had no power, then maybe they would still be in a relationship.

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Oh, see, to me, that was a red flag in a sea of green flags. Why would you marry someone you don't trust to support you when you have a major crisis, like a potentially fatal illness? She was right to break up with him. He wasn't going to be a true life partner. I can also understand why she told him she was sorry, though. If she had stuck with him and demanded to know what he was hiding, maybe he could have told her the truth and let her support him. But here, look--he didn't tell her until he got caught because she happened to be in the hospital the day when he had a followup appointment! He was ready to get back together with her just because he was healthy again, without ever having worked out the relationship problem.

If she had no super power and this was real life, it would make sense not to get back together. She still cares about him, but even with no other guy in the wings, it would not be good to get back together with him until he also gains some insight.

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I agree with this. The problem in their relationship was not that he had cancer, it was that he didn't trust her with his information and she could tell there was something going on, so her trust was eroded too. If the issue was the cancer, they could get back together no problem now, but since it wasn't, they would need to address the actual issue for me to have a chance of getting on board.

(Still unlikely because I like our OTP so much!)

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Agree and thank you for pointing out that even in the present, he still was going to continue to lie about it. He only finally opened up only when Solhee called it out. So even if they got together again, then there will always be that lie between them, and him not trusting Solhee with this truth. Condescending, much? Contrast that with Doha who at least twice already was ready to tell the truth, even before Solhee found out through the idol.

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Yes exactly. You can't be equal partners in a marriage if person is hellbent on keeping life changing information from you. He was red flag for me because he didn't think she was worthy enough to handle the truth. I understand that its his belief system but personally I would never want to be married to someone like than and Sol-hee was right to break up with him. His idiocy was always going to ruin their relationship at some point because you need more than just love to sustain a marriage.

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I don't think she threw him under the bus. She did give him a fair chance to come clean but he didn't. She asked if they would still get married next year and his answer sounded insincere which why the bell went off. Obviously all of this was because he had cancer and wasn't sure there would a future to look forward to but he clearly lied one too many times to her and the moment she said let's break up he high tailed out of her life and cut off all contact. He made a one-sided decision for both of them by excluding her from the truth. On the other hand the only thing Do-ha ever lied about was the murder. Its the only lie he's told her since she met him and for her that's a huge deal since everyone is always lying about something. Even a white lie but Do-ha never even did that as far as she is concerned. Also, yes she was immature but even if the same scenario happened today I'm sure they would still break up because he would never have come clean and even if she accidentally found out and understood the reason behind his lies he would still distance himself from her just like he originally did. He believes he needs to protect her but that in itself is wrong. Unlike Do-ha who waited patiently for her to come to him and was 100% sure she would trust him. Do-ha has more faith in her ability to accept and deal with his past than Kang-min did. Which is why even if she never had her powers Do-ha is still the better person for her and she would most likely always choose him.

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Thank you for explaining this so well! I think protectiveness can sometimes be conflated with love, and I actually believe that the “I did it to protect you” rationale can be a toxic dynamic if it is masking the tendency of one person to make decisions for the other without communication.

Do Ha is unafraid to face Sol Hee and share his story, even at the risk of losing her. I think that reflects how highly he thinks of her, and true caring. It’s Sol Hee’s refusal to hear him out that I find interesting. It seems no one in his life wants to know his version of what happened.😔

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but oh my gosh i keep checking out her legs when she's wearing short elegant dresses tho. i realized she has these pretty slim legs.

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Even I feel the same. Her wardrobe does goes with her character.

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Some of the fashion is amazing while some is strange but that's the trend these days. Early 2000s fashion was never pleasing to the eyes.

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There are complaints about her outfits? I thought they were really pretty and smart casual. The colours suit her. Totally not what a shaman might dress daily but she has a secretive vocation that demands confidentiality and I like to think her outfits wouldnt make people guess that she was a (fake) shaman at all, which was what she intended. I see her as a woman, who wants to look and be normal as much as she can, blending in her neighborhood, with her amazing gift that she has a love-hate relationship with, which she tried to hide from everyone. Cassandra's outfits fit her character perfectly. A true whimsical tarot reader.

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The FL's fashion isn't my taste but I agree that she's pulling it off pretty well because she glows regardless!

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Before this week, I thought Kang-min might end up going after Do-ha and being suspicious of him just like everyone else, but I really like your idea! I hope he chooses to believe Sol-hee about Do-ha and helps them figure out what really happened. I would love it if we could avoid all the toxic traits SMLs normally have!

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Oooh, I like where we’ve landed so far. At first, when Sol-hee straight up rejected Do-ha and any possible explanation, I was like, “Come on! You have been hearing lies for years and you haven’t figured out any nuance?! What about that proposal scene?!” But the show knew what I was after, and quickly gave her two different situations where she was forced to think about the nuance of people’s intentions and situations. Well done! I love that she’s decided not to be ruled by her lie-gong anymore, but instead to believe him and what he tells her, trusting that there must be something she doesn’t know or can’t detect. It’s such a good step for her, and for them. And that scene where they were hiding from Violent Brother (not to be confused with Shady Brother)! I was holding my breath for every reason.

I could feel the hurt and shock and panic when Do-ha realized that Sol-hee heard his statement as a lie. There’s clearly something pretty singular going on (my money is still on the he feels responsible so it gets flagged when he says he’s not explanation) because he was obviously expecting the lie detector not to go off. And my heart hurt for him when Sha-on assumed he was a murderer, and Deuk-chan called him one, no matter how accidently. He already gets enough of that feeling from his mom.

I know that way more Beanies are going to have SLS after this week but you won’t find it from me. Their meet-cute was pretty adorable (and I love seeing that Sol-hee has long been consistent when it comes to her mother) and I’m sure they had a great relationship. But when you decide to break up with someone (or let them break up with you) because of a huge secret and decision you made on your own, you can’t expect the person not to move on. I have no ill-will toward poor Kang-min, and he’s certainly pretty, but I’m kinda glad that his poor decisions have come with consequences. He did get points from me for being extremely good about Sol-hee admitting she was thinking about someone else, and letting her know how he felt without being pushy. I hope he ends up happy, or on the road towards it, by the end.

More Jazz Club Ajusshi next week please.

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When the ajusshi made a brief appearance in the last ep, I was suddenly reminded of many Beans that had said they wanted him to make many more appearances. 🙂

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I can't not see him as In-hae's dad from HeartBeat and think oh, so this is what he's been doing for the last 5 years. 😂 He's doing quite a nice job as the stock Wise Elder who gives good advice that's actually good.

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Oh interesting! In my mind, this is what In-hae's dad did with some of the gold after that whole story was finished. Therapy and jazz.

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Nice theory! I hope his daughter is receiving some as well so she doesn’t end up alone with her hallucinations.

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I definitely wont have any SLS for noble idiots,no matter how lovable the actor is.

There was a discussion earlier about consent, to me, noble idiocy is also about consent. How dare he make a decision for the other without asking her consent? She is an adult, she should be able to make a decision for herself. Deciding to break-up to "spare" her from the sadness is disrespecting her intelligence, her feelings and her as a person. I guess everyone can tell this is the trope I hated the most.

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Yes, this is it exactly. It robs her of agency and decision-making power, and it's especially frustrating in the context of an engagement. They should be making decisions about their future together at that point, no matter how hard they are.

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I feel that that one flashback made it pretty clear that the girlfriend had already done herself serious bodily harm and that Do-ha simply walked away and left her. I could see why he would blame himself for her death, even if he didn’t do the damage. It’s also why he doesn’t know where she is.

But that’s just my take on that one flashback.

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Yeah we've had images of blood for a while and it seems pretty clear that was not due to Do-ha. I've thought from the beginning that suicide was the most likely explanation, but maybe that's too simple. I'm also not ready to hold his words against him in that moment. We haven't been shown their whole situation, but based on what we've seen of her manipulative behavior, I would be surprised if that was the first time she talked about killing herself if he left her. So maybe Do-ha thought it was just an empty threat like all those other times. It's still an awful thing to say, but I can't imagine the poor guy was equipped to deal with that situation in any way.

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I do have one question though: does anyone have any theory about what really happened to the ex? Did she die and his mom made the body disappear? Is she alive and is secretly stalking him? Is she in a coma? Did she get plastic surgery and amnesia and is now happily married to someone else? I'm really curious what actually happened to that character.

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Based on our extremely limited info at this point, my guess is that she was eventually successful in her attempts at suicide and that her body was washed out to see. But that's probably too straightforward. This is a drama, after all.

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It seems to easy for her to be dead (plot wise I mean). I'm sure they are saving the big reveal for the final angst but have a strong feeling she might still be alive. Maybe we will see her in episode 12-13.

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It wouldn't shock me if her brother, Knife Hyung, did it. My #1 theory is that she's still alive though.

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this is also my understanding. that he feels guilty for leaving her behind and then she died (killed herself, accident or someone else murdered her). that's why he got so out of it when the idol girl did her show, bcs he thought the same thing would happen again. that guilt is so big that SH lie radar sees it as him lying.

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Finally, Sol-Hee believes Do-Ha. It was great seeing the 2 of them hanging out with the shop owners because up until they met each other, they were both living in isolation.

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Sol Hee deciding that hearing the statement as a lie was enough and not allowing DoHa to explain what happened was irksome. So I was with on DoHa ending that senseless first "conversation". I am glad that SH decided to believe him in the end. But I think she should still know what happened to understand the situation better. Blindly believing him is all good but understanding what happened would be helpful to protect/defend DoHa as well. Defend him from EomHo and anyone else wishing to harm him because of his past.

Kang Min is a good guy. Him understanding that she likes another guy is one thing. And to actually push her to date the other is foe her happiness something else. I almost liked him but for him to think that she will go back to him is pure delulu at this point. If she would go back to him, he will just be the consolation prize. KM deserves better so he should just go find someone else.

As the story progress and find out more about ppl's motovations, make me feel sorry for DoHa. Everyone around him has their own agenda - his Mom, Deuk Chan, DC's brother, his ex gf and even Syaon. It felt like no one was really there for him and were just using him. Syaon is really toxic and I regret liking her at first. Maybe they will redeem her and let her hook up with her fan. I just want her far away from DoHa.

Eom Ho and Eom Ji are both very troubled. It makes me wonder if Eom Ji is still alive and just hiding from her brother who seems too obsessive of her.

On a lighter note, its already episode 8 and there is no KISS! We still got that fired up close ups in the corner while hiding from the bad guy. They better make their relationship official soon so we can get a kiss.

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Seems like we get a kiss when they go camping next week 🥺🥺

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Looking forward to that! Thanks!

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Is it Monday yet?

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This is the one of the good reasons to be excited for a Monday.

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Really, the atmosphere was so...u know, kissworthy (lol)
But I guess that would have been too cliche.

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It was!!! Yeah hopefully we get the kiss soon

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I think we are headed toward a more thorough explanation of what happened that night from Do-ha. It was an important step for Sol-hee to decide to believe him anyway, but I'm hoping they'll go up to his apartment and he'll tell her the whole story even though she said she didn't need to hear it. They have to do that at some point, and it makes sense to do it soon. It would also bring them even closer together, which I would not mind at all!

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I'm glad that they're getting all the secrets out of the way before they officially get together. I'm also amazed at how mature their conversations have been about the whole reveal. I keep reminding myself this is still a fantasy romcom not a slice of life.

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Yes! My bets are on. Either Eom Ji is alive and hiding from her brother or</i) Deuk-chan is somehow involved in her killing.

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I believe Sol Hee does want to know his story, and will listen when he tells her. Her telling him she didn't need Do Ha to explain was for a couple of reasons: (1) she's letting him know that she trusts him, something he needs to hear; and (2) she's telling him that she believes him despite her liar alarm, which is important in her own understanding of her power and in showing how much she trusts him. I'm sure they will soon have that conversation where he shares what happened and why he subconsciously blames himself - thus the lie - while still knowing he's innocent.

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Maybe the writers will make up for the kissless ep 8 with extra kisses later!! 😉

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Thank you for the recaps mistyisles.
This show is not for me so I will be jumping ship.
I can't make it just for the bean.
Adios amigo's.
Hwaiting!

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Was anyone else bothered by how low the tables were at the restaurant that our OTP ran into the 2ML? It seemed especially odd because it was a place with formal Western style food you had to cut up, and everyone has to lean way over to do so. It looked so awkward. Although it would especially be the kind of place that creates a lot of relationship-building spills, so maybe it is the perfect kdrama restaurant.

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YES! lol
I was watching and thinking how uncomfortable eating like that would be. if it was just a rooftop lounge, where you would only get some snacks and drink from the table, ok. but eating meals in that position? my back hurt for them lol

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every parent in this drama is so toxic. Actually, every person around the leads seems either toxic or sus at the very least.

The DING when he says he didn't commit the murder... The look on both their faces devastated me.

I was kinda scared to watch episode 8 bc of the angst but it wasn't as bad as I expected.

I can't believe that Deuk-chan was like "we can trust Syaon"... sir she just revealed he killed someone to a random stranger

That sad montage and music as the ML walked away, head down... I'm sorry but it reminded of George Michael & GOB from Arrested Development, doing their sad walk with the goofy music

On my knees, begging for them to just talk it out, but nope it took ex's cancer confession to get the wheels turning but ah well. At least she believes in him now? I'm hyped for all the cute scenes next week as they go camping?? And maybe kiss??

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"Deep down, I think Do-ha knows it wasn’t his fault. That’s why he’s so disappointed when people he trusts don’t believe him, and why he keeps saying he didn’t kill her, even after learning Sol-hee’s secret. But he’s also convinced himself that he’s responsible for her death, which is why his words ring false. And that’s what makes Sol-hee’s declaration at the end so important: she’s choosing to believe in the person, not the words — in the essence of his character, not just the things he believes about himself."

I think you have worded this the best, mistyisles

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I don't know Seo Ji Hoon at all. I was meh about him and I was sure I wouldn't have SLS. I still don't, but he did make me pause, replay, and take a good look at him during the bench talk scene with Sol Hee. His eyes... I get it now, heh.

Do Ha looked understandably crushed when Deuk Chan slipped up, calling him a murderer. I felt bad for him because his supposed friends turned out to be people who didn't believe him. People who used him for their own benefits.

I was bracing myself for an EP 8 kiss in the last scene, but I'm glad it didn't happen. Especially so soon after they got away from danger and when they barely started communicating again and moving past their issues.

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Oh, I like the bakery guy. Not just cuz I like bread lol. He has treated Do Ha kindly and he's the least annoying one of the shop owner trio.

However, his case took up too much time in EP 5 and strayed from the main story. I thought his wild flour-throwing mess was going to be a dream.

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I found funny and cute when he offered bread (croissant?) to the taxi driver 😅

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SJH acts circles around HWH, but his best acting "feature" is how beautifully expressive his eyes are, they convey so much.

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Even HWH said he loved SJH's eyes in a promo game/interview 😊

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Sol-Hee is a little bit slow to understand her power. I liked when Do-Ha made the remark about the fact she didn't hear her own lies. I hope she will make a little introspection. Kang-Min was prety cool about the fact she doesn't know the reason behind the lie and she didn't ask.

But my biggest issues were the restaurant, not at all convenient to eat without food ending up on your laps or getting back pains, and Kim So-Hyun's style, the white dress above a T-shirt and Jean's + a cardigan, it was way too much.

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the white dress + t-shirt + jeans + cardigan gave me early 2000s vibes, so I had no problem with it. Would not be my personal choice, but hell, why not? She gets the thumb up of funkiness.

The restaurant setting... argh yes, I know some places like this and avoid them at all costs.

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Why not? Because it was awful? Nothing was working in this outfit. If they wanted a dress above, they could choose a pant that wasn't as large. They could make an effort with the colors and not choose 4 different ones.

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Oh, I sort of liked her outfit. It didn't need to work together to work. It just needed to exist, and sometimes that is precisely what outfits do (says person sitting at a desk with a pair of jeans, a small vest over a long t-shirt, and mismatched socks, all of it looking like I've falling into different pots of paint at the same time)

On some days, outfits are just there to act as an armour shielding you from the rest of the world, a combination of all the pieces that can make you feel stronger even if the final result is horrifying to others.

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The issue for me is that KSH already looks very young. The scene when she was driving, I was thinking who gave us her licence, she's too young for that!

So this kind of outfit doesn't help, I don't really see her as a full adult but still a young one.

I don't think this kind of outfit has a meaning except, she doesn't have taste. There is a difference between her professionnal outfits and her private ones.

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@firefly personnaly, I kinda laughed when I heard Shaon calling her unnie.

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Much as I like this show, it would be more interesting and balanced with an SFL to match the SML in complexity and sympathy value, no matter how much we want the OTP in the end. Sha-on is stupid and boring, and the bits of her backstory justification don’t come close to being adequate.

I really want to give Deuk-chan the benefit of any doubt because I like the actor (Yun Ji-on) so much. With that bias, he seems conflicted about genuine, complex issues. I think he’s both truly concerned for and a good friend to Do-ha and worried about his business, and those fears are intertwined in a complicated way. Lots of people’s livelihoods and reputations now depend on the company and he is responsible for them as well, plus it’s always hard to face up to and deal with a shitty sibling or an unstable star. In an earlier episode when he described himself to Sol-hee as Do-ha’s friend, the lie alarm did not go off. He shares nearly everyone’s shadow of a doubt about that whole murder business, but when the alarm went off about whether he trusts Do-ha, that could also be Deuk-chan not trusting him to do what he regards as the right thing: keep quiet and keep his face under wraps. His fears are not groundless, but he seems like a guy who operates by ignoring problems and hoping they’ll go away.

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but he seems like a guy who operates by ignoring problems and hoping they’ll go away.

Beautifully worded, and I think a common issue for many people starting a business with/for friends and without much business acumen. It's tough to separate the issues, especially when Deuk-chan still, despite not trusting Do-ha (forgot his non-composer name), still chose to protect him and work with him. Protecting someone you think committed a crime also says a lot about his commitment to the friendship with Do-ha. So, I wouldn't place Deuk-chan among the bad guys. He never knew Do-ha would be successful for his company when he started working with him.

Sha-on, on the other hand, has no interest in protecting him for his own sake. She wants him for herself, like a child wants a toy. She wants him to be her special toy and nobody else, and she is ready to destroy everything in his life so she can call him hers. That's pretty much why I mentally have a truck of doom with her name on it since she first appeared.

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In that way I think DC is like our FL…he simply/blindly trusts and protects Do-ha despite having doubts of his innocence.

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Thanks for the recaps, @mistyisles !

I don't know what to do with this show. Should I drop it? Should I go on watching it and get the bean? Should I use FF to end it (very few dramas made me do it)?

I'm trying hard to like this drama but I got really bored during the episode 7 and even though the 8 was better, I feel that I still don't care enough for the main characters. They are cute, of course, but I'm not invested enough.
I liked (before the Episode 8) the SML but it was more because of the actor Seo Ji Hoon than the actual character, who is completely useless inside this plot. (I would be more interested in a completely new spin-off about his character moving on and finding love elsewhere).

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Where I sign for the spin-off? :p

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I wish I knew! XD

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Yes please, I’m all for the SML having his own show and getting his happy ever after. He is a great here with very little to do, only being on screen roughly twice per episode for about 5-8 mins at most. What a waste of his talents and he doesn’t deserve to be second as he is a far better actor than the lead.

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He is great, but I'm still thinking about what's the SML's point. Is he in the drama just to tell the FL that she can hear lies but not their meanings? She already knows it. It seems she doesn't need him for anything else.

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I think they will pivot with his character re his job as a police officer and he will somehow be involved in finding the ML ex that he supposedly killed or he will sadly fade away to nothing.
He gets minimal screen time anyway.

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But overall, he already met with the brother, so he will be involved in the ML's case.

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I’m jumping ship, I can’t hang in there for the bean.
8 more episodes is 8 too many :)

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I couldn’t bring myself to continue Ep 7. So this is it for me. It’s a drop.
I hope the 2ML has a drama in the future as a love lorn ML, with his sad longing beautiful eyes.

p.s KSH - fire your stylist. You deserve better.

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"she’s choosing to believe in the person, not the words. "

Absolutely loved the way you described this. That's one development arc for Sol hee.

Also Sha on's character straight up pisses me off. At first I thought she'd be a grey character. But no, she is a complete nutcase ( 100% agreed with Sol hee)

The development between the leads is actually good. I'm glad they addressed whatever secrets they had before getting into the dating era . ( although I can't say for sure this will save a potential breakup) Communication is everything.

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im sorry, but... stomach cancer is 99,9% incurable, it is impossible that Kang-Min is alive he should be a ghost then. 125 % of people who have it, die (the 100% that know they have it, and the 25% who are not even aware they do). I havent heard of being cured AND living 3 years cancer free. 2 if very lucky.

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I'll need to watch/re-watch these 2 episodes. Do they specifically say he is cancer-free or just that his cancer has not progressed?

I mean, if he is cancer-free, we've got a writer who has also discovered a cure for cancer. That's Nobel prize worthy, I think!

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I dont know, I still need to watch it but if it says "cured" - i mean... at least still being a policeman is impossible.

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Are you sure of this statistic? I heard him say he had Stage 3 which I believe has a 5-year survival rate of around 25%. Pretty darn low. He probably, rightly, didn’t think the odds were in his favor. The treatment is also pretty brutal. But I’m no expert. Redfox may have better sources.

As a survivor of another form, I was enormously sympathetic to him. The urge to die quietly in a corner without causing anyone else suffering is enormous. However, I am not at all sympathetic of him actually doing that. So not supporting noble idiocy, just understanding it. (It doesn’t hurt that the actor is very good at being a sad sack. :)

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Go, @indyfan! F**k cancer, as the bumper sticker says.

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Oh no. Not about me. Tho obviously I brought me into it. 😂
And thank you.

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I have lost 13 friends to cancer. 3 were stomach. I dont trust medicine any more.

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I am sorry to hear that. It certainly is a terrible disease. Our family friend passed away from stomach cancer after 7 years (recurrence). Technically, I also know no survivors. So I hear you.

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then, that is more realistic. you dont just skip away without worry.
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I lost a classmate who died in their early 20’s because stomach cancer was caught too late. At that time it was considered unusual for young people to get it so he was fobbed off with other explanation until it was very advanced. So our first school reunion was at his funeral.
So sorry to hear of so many losses, cancer is a terrible illness.

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I agree with the interpretation that Do-ha didn't kill his girlfriend, but feels responsible for her death. That fits with his extreme reaction to his other friend threatening suicide.

The person who really grew in the last episode was Sol-hee. First she had that lesson from the elderly wealthy patient whose children and doctor were lying to him. When he tells Sol-hee that he hears the feelings behind the lies (or the heart behind the lies?) she looks stunned, like she's never considered this idea before. Then she has that sweet reconciliation with her ex, where he admits that he lied because he didn't want her to be burdened by his illness. It makes her realize that she should have asked more questions, that she only hears that the statement is a falsehood, and not what's behind it. It lets her feel better about him, but I think it's also a good reason for her to refuse to start up romantically with him again. (I said this in another comment on this post--it's not good that he withheld this from someone he was planning to marry!) But again, he says out loud what she should have realized long ago: she can only hear that someone is lying, not the reasons behind it.

I'm going to speculate that the character is mature in many ways, but not about people lying. She has trauma from her upbringing as the daughter of a con artist that shaped her responses to this.

I think by the scene when Sol-hee tells Do-ha that she's just going to trust him, she already suspects what we do--that he feels guilty for his role in the death of a suicide. But also, it will be cathartic for him when he can finally just tell her the whole story. There will doubtlessly be many interruptions by knife-hyung and so forth before he gets to do that.

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At first, I thought it was weird when Sol-hee looked so stunned at the old man's reaction to his relatives lying to him. Has she really never encountered that before? But I think you're exactly right that it probably comes from her mother, who pretty much always lies for terrible reasons. I also thought about the awful scene we saw when Sol-hee was young, and her mother told her that if she called people out on their lies, no one would like her, and the fact that she probably didn't hear the lie detector go off when her mom said that. I loved all the growth we saw from Sol-hee this week!

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