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Mr. Sunshine: Episode 14

Oh, Dong-mae, trust you to retain that cynical smile of yours even as you’re being tortured. Additionally, it feels like everyone and their mother are out to put Eugene in a coffin this episode, but at least we learn a couple of things about this Righteous Army and their plans to save Joseon (finally). I’m happy to report that a lot of plotlines got some forward movement today, though I do wish this emperor would stop making secret documents that requires the attention of our key players, since I care much more about their growing roles in Joseon’s fate than I do about some piece of paper, royal seal notwithstanding.

 
EPISODE 14 RECAP

Ae-shin comes across Eugene mourning Joseph, though she’s prevented from leaving her carriage by her maid, who firmly reminds her that she shouldn’t be seen here. Eugene is in tearful disbelief and recalls Joseph’s last words to him in his letter: “My son. I shall pray for you, wherever you may be. And even when I do not, I hope that God is always with you.” Kyle arrives and instructs his troops to move the body to a hospital.

Meanwhile, Ae-shin and her maid wait in the apothecary and receive news about the missionary, who we learn was shot in Jemulpo. Ae-shin puts two and two together to figure out that the man that Eugene talked about on the beach, the one who helped Eugene survive in America as a boy, is the same man who’s ended up dead.

Word spreads quickly about Joseph’s death, and Dong-mae hears from his right-hand man that the murder happened in his territory. Ah, is this how Wan-ik intends to get back at Dong-mae? Sneaky bastard. For now, Dong-mae orders his subordinate to look into the situation and see whether one of his underlings committed the crime.

Back at the embassy, Kyle and Gwan-soo go through Joseph’s things while a pale Eugene blankly stares at his desk. Kyle figures the murderer was looking for something specifically judging by the ripped bag, while Gwan-soo notices that Joseph had a ferry ticket to Shanghai dated three days ago. Coincidentally (or is it?), that was the same day Eugene was at Jemulpo to oversee the arrival of supplies from the U.S.

Gwan-soo muses out loud how strange it is that letters from Hamgyeong were found in Kim Yong-joo’s room and that Eugene’s letters were found elsewhere. That makes Eugene recall his run-in with Wan-ik outside the hotel, when the latter mentioned a thief who broke into his home, and Ae-shin’s subsequent visit to the embassy with a busted lip and his letter. Gwan-soo figures that all of these events are connected, though he isn’t quite certain as to whether Eugene was being used to get to the missionary, or the other way around. A soldier reports just then that Kim Yong-joo had been released by the police four days ago, which means he became a free man one day before the murder.

And lo and behold, we see Duk-moon hand a blood-stained letter to Wan-ik, who isn’t at all worried that Kim Yong-joo will link them to Joseph’s murder, since they’re keeping tabs on his family back in Japan and “there are no better shackles than family.” You would say that, creep.

Now that they have a secret letter written by the emperor, Duk-moon seems to think that Wan-ik is all but officially the new Minister of Foreign Affairs, though Wan-ik chides him, saying they should be careful not to give away that they’re the ones behind Joseph’s death.

Eugene’s caught on already, though, and he arrives at Wan-ik’s residence with a contingent of American troops to conduct a search of the house, giving orders above Duk-moon’s indignant protests. Wan-ik asks Eugene if he has a deathwish, and the latter explains that he suspects Kim Yong-joo is Joseph’s murderer, and that Wan-ik is the real mastermind behind it all.

Wan-ik doesn’t back down, though, and tells Eugene that he can act with impunity in Joseon, mainly because after a failed assassination attempt years ago (the one involving Ae-shin’s parents), Wan-ik had everyone and anyone remotely related to the incident killed, giving him a reputation for ruthlessness. Or, you know, barbarity. Whatever floats your boat.

But, just as Wan-ik isn’t subject to the consequences of his actions, neither is Eugene bound by the restrictions he might have felt as a Joseon person, since he is an American, as he reminds Wan-ik. Eugene assures him that whatever orders Wan-ik gives will incur consequences going forward, which leaves Wan-ik sputtering insults and asking whether Eugene wants to make an enemy of Japan. Eugene says that’s not within his power, but what he can do is make Japan turn against Wan-ik. The minister doesn’t back down though, and is confident that the “real culprit” will have been caught by now.

Cut to: Dong-mae and his men being held at gunpoint by officers, led by none other than Mr. Belligerent who we first saw harassing the tarot card reader a couple episodes ago. One of Dong-mae’s men gets shot while trying to take the blame for the missionary’s murder, and quickly realizing he could lose a lot of his men, Dong-mae agrees to go with Belligerent.

As he’s being escorted through town in ropes, Dong-mae, Belligerent, and Co. come across Hee-sung, who stops them all to ask what’s going on and request that the officers to treat Dong-mae fairly. He promises to visit Dong-mae in prison, and Dong-mae quietly mutters to Hee-sung’s servant for him to prevent him from doing any such thing.

Eugene also gets word of Dong-mae’s arrest, and Gwan-soo just finds it odd that anyone cares about Dong-mae committing this specific murder, since he’s killed so many before with no punishment. Eugene is convinced Dong-mae isn’t the culprit, though, because that was the day they had run into each other in Jemulpo harbor, and Dong-mae was genuinely happy to see him. Gwan-soo doesn’t follow his logic, and neither do I.

Regardless, Eugene intends to focus on Kim Yong-joo, and sets out to arrest him within the next five days, before the next ferries leave for Shanghai and Tokyo. To that end, American soldiers start combing through Hanseong for Kim Yong-joo, with instructions to take in for questioning anyone suspicious.

Meanwhile, Dong-mae is subjected to torture, since the authorities won’t believe he went to Jemulpo twice on business (the second time was when he visited the temple where Ae-shin’s parents’ mortuary tablets are housed). He briefly unnerves his interrogator when he says he should be allowed to kill someone to prove Joseph’s death wasn’t his doing, since his victims are mutilated beyond recognition. How pleasant.

The interrogator brings in a witness that can place Dong-mae at the scene of the crime, and it turns out to be Gui-dan, the former maid at the Glory Hotel who wanted to sell information for money to buy her mother’s medicine.

Hina hears about all of this from her own informant within the police bureau, just as the tarot card reader comes to her looking for information about Dong-mae’s whereabouts. Hina doesn’t have an answer for her and though she offers her a bed to stay in for the night, she rather coldly tells the fortuneteller to not be a burden on Dong-mae.

Wan-ik and Hayashi both agree to let Dong-mae take the fall, and use this opportunity to restructure the Hanseong branch of the Musin Society. There is an undercurrent of animosity between the two though, as Hayashi says those who are not quite Japanese nor Korean will end up a weakness to Japan, which Wan-ik interprets as a barb towards himself. Hayashi is curious as to why Wan-ik is so eager to get rid of Dong-mae… and it turns out that he witnessed Dong-mae piggybacking Hina the other night. So, he’s getting rid of Dong-mae for flirting with his daughter? What a psycho.

Back in the torture room, the police bring another witness in, Dong-mae’s Japanese-speaking client who complained about the “Joseon mob” stalling railroad construction. We see in flashback that Dong-mae had taken issue with his derisive tone, which is probably what prompts the client to lie about the timing of their meeting, which was on the same day as the murder and could have acted as an alibi.

Wan-ik hands over the secret letter to Hayashi, which turns out to be a request from the emperor to the American government for a loan, in order to circumvent the need of a loan from Japan. According to Hayashi, this letter will guarantee control over Gu Dong-mae, the American ambassador Allen, and the Joseon emperor. Why and how, you ask? Who knows.

Turns out, Wan-ik has another target in mind, and Dong-mae is explicitly told by the police that he is to pin the murder on Go Sa-hong, Ae-shin’s grandfather. The police chief in charge of Dong-mae’s interrogation has already been bribed by Wan-ik with an appointment to the head of the royal guard within the palace.

His bravado falters at that, and Dong-mae is faced with a terrible choice, as all of his men are taken hostage, and he is told that every day that goes by without his fake confession, one of his men will be killed.

Eugene approaches Hina for all the other unopened letters that were found in Kim Yong-joo’s hotel room, and she says she’ll collect her payment for the letters from Dong-mae, since Eugene’s investigation will help save his skin.

Eugene notes that some of the letters were intercepted from the Kyungheung post office, and they turn out to be pieces of an annotated map of Shanghai, all posted under Biblical aliases. At the pawnshop, he commissions a trip to look into Joseph’s activities in Hamgyeong province, and the duo immediately agrees to do it once he offers a blank check for their services.

On his walk back from the pawnshop, the sight of several students from the English school prompts him to leave a letter at the apothecary for Ae-shin, urging her not to worry about him. As Ae-shin passes by the Glory Hotel and sees her red pinwheel on his balcony, Eugene reads in voiceover that the next stage of their “love” must be longing: “I used to wait on my balcony in the hopes of glimpsing you on your way to the market.”

Ae-shin arrives at the apothecary after Eugene has left and leaves his gloves in the medicine cabinet as a reply to his letter.

Emperor Gojong is told that his secret letter is in Wan-ik’s possession and is despondent at the futility of his efforts. I mean, I’m getting despondent at how useless he is. Wan-ik comes to court with the letter, and declares that this letter couldn’t possibly be real, since the Japanese would use this as an excuse to demand something, and the letter would hurt relations with America since the emperor was trying to go over Ambassador Allen’s head. We see that the emperor had secretly met with Joseph, who was acting on his belief that no nation should use force to persecute another.

The emperor has no choice but to acquiesce to Wan-ik’s version of events, which paints Joseph as a con artist trying to defraud the American government by forging the emperor’s seal on the loan request. Wan-ik also indirectly lays claim to the Minister of Foreign Affairs position, and assures them that they can send his appointment to him later, since there are more urgent matters to be taken care of.

Hina visits Dong-mae at the police bureau, and while she tries to assure him that Eugene is determined to find the real culprit, she warns that his interrogation might get worse tomorrow because the autopsy report will be released and the medical examiner is in Wan-ik’s pocket. Said medical examiner is detailing his findings to Eugene, and tells him that the shooter was tall and likely inexperienced with a gun due to the positioning of the bullet holes. Thankfully, Eugene calls bullshit on the medical examiner, and threatens him into revising his report.

Hee-sung thinks back to Ae-shin’s grandfather’s words during his visit at the hotel, and near his home, he notices Kim Yong-joo lurking in the shadows. Hee-sung recognizes him as a fellow customer at the Glory Hotel and gives chase out of curiosity when Kim Yong-joo runs away, only to lose him when he’s stopped on the street by a woman asking after his absence at the card table.

When Eugene returns to the American embassy, Gwan-soo reports that the case has been closed by the police and that the missionary was found to have been attempting to steal money in the emperor’s name. Additionally, Gu Dong-mae, as accomplice and murderer, has been ordered executed. Furious, Eugene barges into Minister Lee’s house and asks why the investigation has concluded with these lies. Minister Lee tells him to butt out, but Eugene’s figured out that Joseph died while trying to protect Joseon and the emperor, and he won’t let his father-figure die as a convict.

Eugene enlists Kyle to help him, and the latter successfully cows Ambassador Allen into allowing the American military to continue with the investigation. Meanwhile, Eugene and several of his men enter the police torture chamber, and just in time, since the police chief was about to force Dong-mae into signing the fake confession. But Eugene isn’t exactly here to save his butt, and Dong-mae drily notes that he’s gone from one prison to another.

Eugene questions why Dong-mae had gone through Kim Yong-joo’s room, to which Dong-mae answers that the slimy traitor (my words, not his) had been lurking around Ae-shin and been asking around about her home. Eugene wants to know if Dong-mae’s been getting reports on Ae-shin, which goes unanswered as Dong-mae offers tips on how to rat out Kim Yong-joo instead. He adds a cryptic warning that his men might turn on Eugene, since that’s what Wan-ik would want.

Over at villain headquarters, Wan-ik’s in a state at how things have turned out, and nearly has an apoplexy when he hears Allen refuses to meet with him. Flashbacks of Ae-shin’s mother’s dying words overlaps with Eugene’s warnings, and he tells underling Duk-moon that he might’ve messed with someone he shouldn’t have. Not one to back down on a threat, he orders Duk-moon to find any of Eugene or Dong-mae’s weaknesses, and that Dong-mae’s men should be released with instructions on how to save their leader.

Affected by Dong-mae’s words about Kim Yong-joo and Ae-shin, Eugene offers to provide protection to Ae-shin’s grandfather, but the latter refuses. Instead, Go Sa-hong says he must accept why Joseon refuses to protect him, instead of accepting protection from a foreign country. Uhh, noble idiocy at its most patriotic? In any case, Eugene respects the elder’s wishes, and leaves with his troops.

Ae-shin hears about Eugene’s presence in her home after the fact, but he’s long gone by the time she rushes out to see him. Or so she thinks, since Eugene turns back on his horse to see her. He raises his hand to show he received his gloves, and the two make sad-eyes at each other over the stone wall.

Back at the American embassy, Domi recognizes a face in Kim Yong-joo’s photo, and says that he’s someone who comes to the embassy every so often to help out, and was just here that very day to check on the plants. Eugene opens his desk drawer to find that the letters he had gotten from Hina are missing. Those letters are presented to the Righteous Army leadership, who are now worried that Eugene will catch on to them. We get glimpses of the Righteous Army undercover soldiers (including the baker, who knew?) placed all over Hanseong.

Minister Lee warns that Eugene’s investigation is threatening their carefully laid plans, and might even reveal the whereabouts of a person named Song Yeong in Shanghai. Even though Eun-san tries to paint Eugene as an ally, Minister Lee is convinced of Eugene’s hatred of Joseon and warns that the Joseon-American officer is a threat to their plans to acquire weapons through this Song Yeong. And so, their only choice is to kill Eugene. Ah yes, let’s just have all of Hanseong paint a target on Eugene’s back. Also, is that what you’ve been doing all series, Righteous Army?

Speaking of which, Eugene gets cornered by Dong-mae’s men, and fires his pistol into the air to summon help. Hilariously, what it actually does is attract Hee-sung’s attention, much to Eugene’s dismay. Though Eugene wants to hold the standoff until reinforcements arrive, Hee-sung just seems to invite trouble and instigates a sword fight. With his wooden stick.

Thankfully, Dong-mae’s right-hand man stops the brawl and begs forgiveness on behalf of his underlings, saying they were desperate enough to play into Wan-ik’s hands. Their loyalty to Dong-mae is almost touching, if it weren’t so misguided.

Eugene and Hee-sung clean up their wounds at the embassy, leading to an uncomfortably intimate moment as Eugene tends to Hee-sung’s cuts on his face. On the upside, it sounds like Hee-sung’s aimless wandering, plus his innate curiosity, can prove useful as he relays that he ran into Kim Yong-joo, who smelled of incense.

That would be because the little rat is hiding out with a shaman, as Eugene correctly guesses, and when the shaman asks Kim Yong-joo why he remains in Hanseong despite all the men looking for him, he rather ominously replies that he wants to tell Ae-shin who her parents’ murderers are. Ae-shin is pretty much bound to her house thanks to Kim Yong-joo, and requests that Seung-gu sneak her out.

He’s wary, and asks whether she wants to go to Eugene. In response, Ae-shin tells her teacher that the farthest she’s ever been is to the East Sea, and that the next time, she wanted to venture even further. She considers that next time to be now, and that going to Eugene is farther away for her than the eastern coast. And just as she’s carried out her missions with unquestioning loyalty, she asks that Seung-gu similarly refrain from inquiring further, to which he agrees.

When Eugene arrives back in his room at the Glory Hotel, he senses a presence in the room and attacks Ae-shin before getting a good look at her face. Lol, don’t go sneaking up on a man with a city-wide target on his back! After she recovers from getting the wind knocked out of her, Ae-shin confirms that she recovered Joseph’s letters addressed to him from Wan-ik’s house, and that she too missed him in response to the letter he left at the apothecary.

She regrets not having stopped to comfort him at the beginning of the episode, but Eugene says she’s already comforted him. With a hand over his face, she recites Joseph’s last words to Eugene while he struggles to contain his tears.

Their moment is interrupted by a gunshot, and Eugene quickly assesses that the shooter is in the building across the street. Drawn by the noise, Hina appears at Eugene’s door and Ae-shin requests her help in escaping the building without blowing her cover to all the hotel occupants.

After Hina guides her customers to safety, she finds herself staring down the barrel of a gun wielded by Belligerent, here to take care of unfinished business with the tarot card reader (or Hotaru). Leading him downstairs, Hina manages to disarm him with her fencing sword, and Ae-shin picks up the dropped pistol.

Hina requests that the man not be killed, and Ae-shin knocks him out with a cheap vase to the head instead. Yay, go team!

Outside, Eugene takes down the shooter, who turns out to be a Righteous Army member, and one of the four men in Kim Yong-joo’s old photograph. In his own interrogation room, Eugene questions why the Righteous Army are targeting him only now, when they’ve had plenty of chances before. The man has no interest in answering his questions, but wants to know what Eugene’s relationship with Ae-shin is.

Eugene pulls out the old photograph and informs him that he received a telegram from one of the pawnshop duo that Song Yeong is thought to be in Shanghai. Listing each of the men in the photo, Eugene asks if the man in front of him is Jeon Seung-jae, and in lieu of an answer, Seung-jae says that Eugene shouldn’t know those names, and that his knowledge about their activities is what made him dangerous to their organization.

Meanwhile, Ae-shin goes to the apothecary still in her disguise and is met by the tavern lady, who says she will be guiding Ae-shin to their leader. Eugene confirms that the Righteous Army have chosen to eliminate him, and hurt, he asks whether Eun-san really gave the order for his death. Seung-jae responds that it’s for a greater cause, and also asks that Eugene distance himself from Ae-shin, since she might be the one who has to kill him. Eugene assures Seung-jae that Ae-shin won’t fail, since he won’t try to dodge her bullets.

Ae-shin finally meets with the leader of their organization, Eun-san, as Eugene makes his way across the river towards Eun-san’s house. The tavern lady flies an arrow tied with a black ribbon to announce his arrival, and Eun-san orders Ae-shin to kill whomever is crossing the frozen river.

Ae-shin guesses it must be Eugene, and Eun-san tells her that the American soldier might be acting on good intentions, but those good intentions will lead to Joseon’s downfall. Eun-san gives the order to kill whoever is crossing that river as Eugene walks towards them, eyes full of purpose and rifle in hand.

 
COMMENTS

Oh, I like this development, and not just because I’m sadistic and want our main couple to suffer. Well, maybe a little. But, I felt like they got off easy with that terrible, tepid conclusion to the very real social divide between a noblewoman and a former slave, so I’m hoping this conflict yields better dramatic consequences. It may feel slightly contrived, since I think the Righteous Army has no one to blame but themselves for being such terrible secret-keepers, but Eugene’s love-hate relationship with Joseon has been a source of tension all series long, so it seems appropriate that it comes to a head in this way.

Generally, the narrative choices in this show confuse me sometimes, because it somehow suffers from both too little exposition and too much. For example, people here seem to love explaining all of the motivations behind their actions, even if discretion might be the better choice. Like, why are you laying out all of your suspicions to the suspected mastermind, Eugene? And then, at the same time, we’re told about some secret letter only after someone gets killed for it, and then, we’re not even aware of its importance until the latter half of the episode. I spent nearly 40 minutes confused as to why this letter is worth all of this bloodshed, and no, the fact that it pisses off the Japanese isn’t reason enough to make me care.

To be fair, there was some much needed movement in terms of plot, so I’m happy that the pace is picking up, especially with regards to the Righteous Army, who have been criminally absent for the past 13 hours. I mean, they, and Ae-shin as a member of it, are the real reason why I was so excited about this show, and here’s to hoping that they get some more screen time in the remaining episodes. In the meantime, can they enlist Hee-sung please, the man desperately needs a job. Other than aimlessly wandering around the marketplace.

 
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This episode was Dong-Mae's show! You Yeon-Seok delivered.
Eagerly waiting for the revenge.

Can the writers have Hee-Sung step up please?. Its time.

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Hmm, and I thought Dong Mae was only in a couple scenes.
But I do agree Hee sung needs to actually do something. Hopefully he isn't a cliche for how the writer feels about nobility/chaebol.

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Yes indeed, but those 2 scenes - where he lets himself be captured and the torture scene, he was total badass.

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They need to STOP HURTING Dong-Mae!! He needs a nice washing and some bandages and a lot of TLC. :P

So I guess they're still filming this? Yoo Yeon-Seok got a good luck coffee truck sent to the set from a friend complete with Dong-Mae pix on it, but he was totally out of costume in the picture. For some reason I thought it was fully pre-produced but I guess I'm confusing it with Kingdom and Are You Human Too? on that front.

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I decided a few episodes ago to just enjoy the beauty and suspend any disbelief about plot holes, real or ones I see because I don't understand what the heck is going on. And it's working. I am enjoying this drama--even though I feel like I'm going to be sobbing as the final credits role. Love the cast. Love the costumes. And the writing? Well, as a writer (of sorts) I know writing is difficult. So I'm cutting her some slack.

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You've got a good point. I have trouble putting two sentences together coherently, but then I don't get paid the big bucks, either.

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Me too actually.

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The best scene for me was the king agreeing that the real letter was fake. I thought that was the most powerful moment of the whole episode, and moving. It showed how frustrated he was, and sad, and helplessness and despair were written all over his face.

Other noteworthy things:

The torturers were very nice, they beat DM up, but didn't touch his teeth. Every time he smiled, he had blood all over his face, but his teeth remained sparkling clean and white, and intact.

Eugene is the freeest man in the whole US Consulate. He even had time to leave his troops and ride back to see his lady love over the wall.

Will AS shoot Eugene?
A. She shoots him , but deliberately misses.
B. She shoots the ice, it cracks, Eugene falls in, and drowns.
C. She shoots herself instead, and dies.
D. She shoots a sniper, who's followed Eugene.

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#B,C: And they drag the ice cracking scene out until the end of the episode. Or it takes the whole episode for her to die, or maybe the end of the series, all slo mo.
#D: Actually, this sounds like a possibility.
His teeth remained sparkly white...hardee, har, har. Perfect response to a (dumb) scene. On the other hand, in Fuyao when Wuji coughs up blood it's all over his teeth, mouth and dripping down. Not a pleasant sight. In Sunshine they probably didn't want to spoil his pearly white smile for the ladies.

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Yeah, as the ice cracks, and he plunges in slow-mo, they'll release a new OST, sung by Eugene thus time, and it goes:

Let me go,
Let me go,
Can't take this anymoree....

He's stll singing it as he freezes to death...

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I don't see Eugene coming in the front door. I see him coming in the back way and jumping the Potter for a real explanation. If there's a sniper following him, it's Jang, cuz the other ones can't shoot, and I don't think Jang matches Eugene's 25 years military experience and the fighting in the Philippines and/or Cuba that he just came from. So yeah, I see Eugene and the Potter, pinned down, forced to explain, and Ae Shin can't take the shot without killing the potter.

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B. Eugene's drown then Ae-shin jumps and follows him, they swim together in a very cold lake under the ice and somehow manage to surface on the other side of the lake together. Ae Shin saves him, they hug, the episode ends.
If Mr. Sunshine's a 1980s HK wuxia series, it would go like that.

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Teeth, for the most part in k-dramaland, manage to escape unscathed despite the roughest of beatings. Have you seen Inspiring Generation? The main character had amazingly strong teeth--I even made some comments about this in the discussion threads for that show. LOL

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Omo, this is the most difficult MCQ I have stumbled upon. I do need more time to answer this, maybe tomorrow I can give you a good answer. 😁

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I have come with a good answer. It is:

E. None of the above

After watching episode 15, I felt satisfyingly drained. Let me hide behind that door and cry some more for the next hours.

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Yoo Yeon Seok shined in this episode. You can see the fury in his eyes whilst he is smiling. I half-covered my eyes coz I can't bear seeing him covered in blood.
#DongMaeNation

At first I thought it was Eugene who will be torn between love and duty, but I guess I judged too quickly as it is actually Ae Sin who will be caught in between her feelings for Eugene and her duties as a member of the Righteous Army.

Hui Seong is awkward and adorable as always. The little snippets of bromance between the 3 male leads never fail to make me laugh hard. I can't wait to see how his character will show his true feelings and male decisions. I hope Byun Yohan will also get an episode where he will shine the most.

I'm getting more and more intrigued with Hina and the Fortuneteller and their relationship with Dong Mae. I wish they would show their past lives in Japan and how they got tangled up in each other.

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My speculation: Hotaru is the stepdaughter HN took with her. Let's if that is the case.

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i LOVE your recaps, thanks so much!!! this drama offers sometimes - as you stated - too much information... and reading your recaps helps me digest everything, and also clears up what i was confused about.
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Loved your recap and comments, @tipsymocha! What a pleasure to read.
I find it interesting that it's the Righteous Army who wants to kill Eugene the most right now. Is that a metaphor? Show, it's time to bring the Righteous Army and its ordinary people to the front.
And at least on Netflix there were no previews. So I'm sure she doesn't shoot Eugene.

I like the ensembe

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Delete the last sentence...

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I'm curious. Why delete the last sentence?

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It was an incomplete thought and misspelled word but I hit send too quickly. I do like the ensemble though.

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Ahhhh. I thought you were saying you didn't care for the cast.

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Thanks for recapping, tipsymocha.

I got a bit of TREE WITH DEEP ROOTS whiplash during Hee-sung's face-off against Dong-mae's gang attacking Eugene. Ddang-sae he ain't. LOL.

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'splain further. I didn't see TREE.

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Byun Yo-han's character in TREE WITH DEEP ROOTS SIX FLYING DRAGONS, Ddang-sae/Lee Bang Ji, one of the titular dragons, defeats Gil Tae-mi to become the best swordsman in the land. He has a running rivalry for the title with Yoon Kyun-sang's character, Moo-hyul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODrE51D2u4k
That's BYH singing "Muyiyiya" starting at about 7:00.

He also sings "Song of Chungsan [Green Mountains]" (which crops up in REBEL, too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySMU4gywJis

Sheesh, the whiplash was so bad I confused TWDR with 6FD. LOL.

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Oooh, Gil Tae Mi, what a maniac! I loved that drama, it's so good to see Lee Bang Ji again. I recently loaded "Song of Chungsan" as a morning alarm and let me tell you, it's beautiful but it will never wake you up.😆

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But the rock version of "Muyiyiya" should do the trick. ;-)

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This wake you up. The fighting scene song from Six Dragons 하날히 달애시니 (Feat. 이봉근)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjYu_cFairI

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@pakalanapikake I can't thank you enough for the info that BYH sings Muyiyiya. It has such an ancient sound that I never would've imagined that was him! I'm going to check put the other song you mentioned as well.

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Oh. I remember him singing this other song - Song of Chungsan - in SFD. No wonder I couldn't imagine him singing Muyiyiya.

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Thank you for the link of the fighting scene. I really need to watch SFD or my kdrama card will be revoked, it seems.

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You won't be sorry. It's amazing.

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@atz August 23, 2018 at 12:08 AM

Thanks for reminding me of this epic OST! Monumental! Fantastic orchestration -- love the horns, bells, and choir. Sageuk "Ride of the Valkyries" coming to get YOU.

@bbstl, you'll never sleep through this alarm! It's right up there with the epic rock and MC Sniper OSTs from CHUNO and FAITH.

[SIX FLYING DRAGONS OST, Part 2, Track 7] Joo In Ro feat. Lee Bong Geun: "Ddangsae's Avenge" 하날히 달애시니
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Six_Flying_Dragons_OST

An alternate translation of the title I found somewhere: "Sky Soothe You (Your Heart)"

Pansori vocalist:
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Lee_Bong_Geun
What a voice! He's only 34 now. But he sounds as if he's calling down the wrath of the gods millennia ago.

Composer:
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Joo_In_Ro
Daebak!

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Is the John Williams listed as the writer of the pansoori song THE John Williams of American movie soundtracks?

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I got Muyiya mixed up with the song that is pansoori style. That's why I was saying I was so surprised that Byun was the singer.

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@pakalanapikake is Six Flying Dragon's good? I've had it on my watchlist forever, just hever watched it.

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@thatstp,

I thought it was great. And it's best watched before TREE WITH DEEP ROOTS, as that is the chronological order of historical events.

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I have to disagree with @pakalanapikake about the order to watch. I personally believe you get more out of a prequel by watching the original show that inspired it first. Example: Star Wars plays better to watch the 1970's episodes first; The new Star Trek movies work better if you've seen Star Trek the Original Series (or at least the older movies) . I guarantee you that the scenes of Spock's childhood have far more weight for someone who's gone on the journey with Spock battling his emotions and human side than someone who's introduced to the new movies (cir. 2000s) first.
I could use scenes from Tree and SFD as examples but I won't because of spoilers.
I've seen shows where the original introduced an idea that was only talked about but the later made prequel actually showed it to you. Now the scene in the prequel has outdone the original (as it should) but now when you watch the original after the prequel, you've effectively rendered what would've been an exciting, interesting or humorous scene, boring. scene that you would've found unique or innovative but now it's dull and lackluster.

Isn't the scene of a young actor portraying Indiana Jones falling into a train car full of snakes in the prequel made better by already knowing the adult Indiana Jones' petrifying fear of snakes?
Just my opinion.

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@ramonathepest, thanks for the reference material. I have seen all of these so I understand your point.

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And to your original question: Six Flying Dragon is amazing. If there were any doubts Yoo Ah in establishes himself as THE actor who will fill Jang Hyuk's shoes as Hyuky moves on into ahjusshi roles 🙂

I found myself having to remember who YAI's character is in history and fight admiring him and rooting for him so much (even as he did terrible things). He has you on the edge of your seat every moment. He's loveable and scary all at the same time. And I realize afterwards, I don't think he, personally, ever drew his sword and yet he intimidates, strategizes and just draws you in. The rest of the cast is also great. I think that until Kim Eu sook started having these lavish productions, I had not seen production as lush and on point as SFD. I can't say enough about it. But as to Tree, it's like an EXTREMELY interesting history lesson and you get to see it play out. Don't mistake that for saying that it's dull (after all it has Jang Hyuk and sword play).

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@ramonathepest August 23, 2018 at 9:07 AM

re: your question about John Williams. Nope, he's not the composer of "Ddangsae's Avenge.” Joo In Ro is. See Final OST, tracks 16 and 4.
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Six_Flying_Dragons_OST#Six_Flying_Dragons_OST

I was astounded to realize what a wonderful singer Byun Yo-han is. I'm so glad you liked “Muyiyiya” (OST Part 3, Track 1). FYI, Ha Hyun Woo of Guckkasten sings the rock version (OST Part 4, Track 1). BYH also sings “Song of Chungsan I” as a solo (OST Part 8, Track 1), and as a duet with Lee Cho Hee (“Song of Chungsan II,” OST Part 8, Track 2).

Here is BYH's tenderly soulful duet on "The Shape of You" by Kim Hyun-sik with Kim Yun-seok from the film WILL YOU BE THERE?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyipJNXQkBY

Back to SIX FLYING DRAGONS (6FD).

Here's the alternate version of "Ddangsae's Avenge” called “6 Dragon Resentment.” It is also by pansori singer Lee Bong Geun:
http://www.dramabeans.com/members/pakalanapikake/activity/586522/

Court musician Wolhamae sings a version of “Song of the Green Mountain” aka “Green Mountain Special Tune” during her final performance with her lute “Ribbon Friend” in ep. 29 of REBEL: THIEF WHO STOLE THE PEOPLE. I marathoned 6FD just as REBEL premiered, and recognized the lyrics months later during the finale.

Here are the lyrics for "Muyiyiya" and both versions of "Chungsan Byeolgok" [Song of the Green Mountains] from SIX FLYING DRAGONS, along with background information on them and another Goryeo folk song, "Gashiri" [Are You Going?]. It is also sung in the film A FROZEN FLOWER:
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Six_Flying_Dragons_OST#Lyrics

The imagery of Blue Mountain and Green River figures strongly in REBEL. In their gorgeous spontaneous duet “It is the mountain” while walking through the tea garden in ep. 07, starting at about 37:15, Mighty Child Gil-dong is the personification of the utopian Blue Mountain. Gisaeng Gong-hwa is the sorrowful Green River Nok-soo, whose name she later adopts when she arrives at Yeonsangun's court. At last I understand why the color blue is emphasized so strongly. See my comments in the recap for the transcribed lyrics (#22 PakalanaPikake February 22, 2017 at 3:27 PM, in case the link doesn't work).
http://www.dramabeans.com/2017/02/rebel-thief-who-stole-the-people-episode-7/#comment-2712309
https://blogs.baruch.cuny.edu/mon2800/?p=253

The old folk songs and fictional ditties in 6FD and REBEL are harbingers of the political and social upheaval that manifests in MR. SUNSHINE.

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Thank you for the links. I'm embarrassed to say, I'm not that big a fan of Byin Yohan's singing. I had mistakenly thought a previous poster said he was the one singing the pansoori style song. 😳

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@bbstl, @ramonathepest

Part 1 of 2

Now that I think of it, there is a connection between "the nameless bird in the sky" in SIX FLYING DRAGONS's OST "Muyiyiya" and the bird marring Eugene's view of the heavens in the opening episode of MR. SUNSHINE. Through the centuries, righteous armies have arisen because of the conditions lamented in all of these old folk songs, and the longing for a better life that was forever beyond the reach of the lower classes. Ae-shin's motivation for taking up arms, and perhaps her parents' as well, may trace back to the han and utopian longings expressed in songs such as "Cheongsan Byeolgok."

Even though it is anachronistic, I'd like to point out another bit of bird imagery that is apropos for Eugene: the mid-twentieth-century American hymn “The Lone, Wild Bird.” Thanks to its pre-Civil War tune, it sounds like a song that Joseph could have taught him as a boy. It faithfully conveys the minister's love and concern, and echoes the sentiments in his final letter. It is gorgeously transcendent, and conjures images of a traveler from across the sea who may be out of sight of land, but is never beyond the watchful gaze of the God Whose eye is ever on the sparrow, and who clothes the lilies of the field. Other apropos Biblical images come to mind: the protective wings of eagles, the dove of peace, and the Paraclete (Holy Spirit) depicted as a white bird. All of them stand in positive contrast to young Eugene's dark bird marring the blue sky. Perhaps he was thinking of swooping raptors, or scavengers such as vultures.

The lone, wild bird in lofty flight
is still with thee, nor leaves thy sight.
And I am thine! I rest in thee,
Great Spirit, come and rest in me.
The ends of earth are in thy hand,
the sea's dark deep and far off land.
And I am thine! I rest in thee,
Great Spirit, come, and rest in me.

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Part 2 of 2

(Sorry for the delay. Part 1 was stuck in moderation.)

Alas, the poem “The Lone, Wild Fowl” was written by minister Henry Richard McFadyen, a native of North Carolina, in 1925 and published as a hymn in 1927. Organist and composer David Johnson, a native Texan, tweaked the first line, title, and a few words here and there, and set it to the 1835 shape-note tune “Prospect” (#30b in The Sacred Harp [first published in 1844]) in the early 1940s. At least that is when the trans-Pacific voyage that inspired it occurred. He published it as “The Lone, Wild Bird” in the small book Twelve Folk Songs and Spirituals in 1968. Shape-note singing, aka “fasola,” evolved from the traditions of colonial New England singing masters. It was brought overseas by Protestant missionaries from Boston to the islands of the Pacific, for instance, where it influenced native church choirs.

Eugene Wolf, vocal & guitar, & Robert Kitchens, guitar: "The Lone, Wild Bird"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kyj1pgjat8
This version uses the original pronouns, and includes Marty Haugen's additional verses.

Honey Whiskey Trio: “The Lone, Wild Bird”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ5Ltn8sy7Y
Alas, I have not been able to find a recorded shape-note rendition in 4 parts. This one comes close, but doesn't quite have the power of the original lyrics, IMHO. “Wondrous Love” used in place of “Great Spirit” is the title of #159 in the 1991 revision of The Sacred Harp.

More information on “The Lone, Wild Bird” is posted on my fan wall, along with a short introductory video and recordings of Sacred Harp singings.
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I wondered where part 2 was. 🙂 Thank you for taking the time for such a detailed and informative response.

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@ramonathepest,
August 26, 2018 at 4:23 AM
cc: @thatstp,

You make a good case for watching the shows in the order in which they were produced. In this instance, the prequel was well done, and dovetailed nicely with the original production. Such is not always the case.

I watched the dramas as a sageuk fan who was trying to understand the flow of history. When a couple of my esteemed sageuk sunbae opined that watching in chronological order was a good idea, I went with it. I'm not a spring chicken, so keeping to chronological order helps me retain the data a skosh better. I don't need to be surprised or thrilled. I just want to understand what's going on. It is a tall order, given the machinations of the competing factions in both dramas. The fact that I marathoned them means that my retention is not as good as if I had watched at a more leisurely pace. Oh, well.

I do agree with you re: viewers of the original STAR TREK series and films being better able to appreciate Spock's childhood in STAR TREK (2009) than folks who were meeting the character for the first time.

As for STAR WARS, my college buddies and I watched it in a cinema in 1977, and coolled our heels for the rest of the trilogy to premiere. It was another 22 years before the prequel trilogy made it to the big screen, and by that time, life had intervened, and I'd lost interest. For me, Harrison Ford, Alec Guinness, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, C3P0, R2D2, Chewbacca, Yoda, and the voice of James Earl Jones are, and will forever be, STAR WARS. The newer films didn't really grab me as much. Maybe they would have made more of an impression when I was in my early 20s. Call it a really unfortunate case of live-watching. LOL.

Keep in mind that in the course of 20+ years, the ground-breaking special effects that thrillingly supported STAR WARS' original story line gave way to CGI and spawned a gazillion Hollywood blockbusters that consisted of gee-whiz special effects grafted onto crappy, half-baked plots. The very cinematic wizardry that made STAR WARS such a stirring space opera was eventually used to excess. Bah, humbug. Somewhere along the way, plotting and character development went out the window in American TV as well as films. It is a big factor in my jumping ship for Kdramaland.

As always, just my $0.02. ;-)

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And I watched the '77 Star Wars at Gromann's Chinese theatre in Hollywood.
27 times.
My daughter told me a few days ago that's actually a trope. "I've watched SW 27 times".
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SawStarWarsTwentySevenTimes

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I am going to stick my neck out and say this - no one seems clever in this show. This impression of mine is very possibly my fault due to my lack of understanding of various developments. Then, is the show too smart for a viewer like me? Save for Hina and Hee Sung, I find the others rather confusing especially Eugene. At times, he seems sharp and then he dumbs down in others.

I had pinned my hopes of a grand resistance from the Righteous Army but I think it's best to temper my expectations. Hidden identities and unexpected rainbow cakes may be the their best expertise.

I think I know why I couldn't take to Eugene and Ae Shin's romance. They don't look or feel real to me. Their interactions lack passion for a couple living in a dangerous time. I'd imagine that the time spent apart would have elicit a stronger response from each.

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Now, now there. You know it isn't that this show is too smart for you...
It isn't Eugene that you find confusing. He's only a puppet on a string, manipulated by the writer's whims.
I can't figure out the purpose behind the writer's having Eugene and Ae Shin acting so passive either, unless it's the honorable thing to do or maybe the writer thinks that's how American men act normally (ha, hardly!). Wait, wasn't there one scene where either she puts her hand on his cheek or vice versa? I need to find that scene again because that was the first intimate gesture either of them shared.
My curiosity is building so much to see how these upcoming episodes play out: will they stay them same slo-mo, hardly anything happens or will the angst and passion and action ever start? Will we ever see the Righteous Army come to the forefront? Will either Eugene or Ae shin ever get wounded and the other takes them to a cave to hide and tend to his/her wounds? So that that brings them together? Will Hee sung ever get b***s? (Yes, I think he will). Will Dong Mae be betrayed by both sides? Or at least hit him over the head so he knows he's been betrayed by the Japanese. So many questions. So little time.

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Oh, girl. There's plennnnty of time at the rate we're going 😄

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I have fast forward quite a bit in earlier episodes so at first I thought it was because I wasn't paying enough attention. After reading more comments here, I'm glad I am not the only one who has trouble following.

A character is created by the writer. It's poor writing when there are lapses in consistency and coherence as he merely moves to further the plot.

Someone put a number to Eugene's age and I'm guessing he's almost 40? Ae Shin is not that young either. So I don't get this weird 'puppies in love' kind of romance. I may be wrong but I always thought people love hard and fast in times of war, LOL.

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But it isn't war yet. This writer apparently likes to write protagonists who are "honorable" and always do the right thing. Not very much like a real human though.

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In a time of such as this, puppy like romance is alien (?) I am imagining the kind of relationship like the one Jang hyuk and Shin Se Kyung had in TWDR is much more appropriate. Ahhh...maybe, maybe that is why I couldn't be invested in that romantic aspect of this drama.

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The romance in SGD went much farther than what Kdrama is willing to show on screen, I believe. It's read began the scenes watching.

But where Shi Sy kyung's character was a commoner so they would see the more practical side of life whether that be romance, marriage, or rape (as we saw with the one character) ; but Ae shin in yanbang and different standards apply. Ae shin would not have had alone time with ANY men, period. No ytain ride with Hui sung. No meetings or trips on the lake/ocean with Eugene. No meeting Dong mae to "pay her debt".

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It's good that you point it out. She is a yangban, yet she is also a righteous army. On the contrary, her yangban life would not have limited her movements or perspectives about life - she has her family, her associates and her servants for the latter, plus she is very educated. It is even possible for her to meet guys outside home, so dating is allowed if there is chaperone, especially with someone she's betrothed to. Besides, she's been roaming around town like nobody's care. Additionally, her righteous army life allows her to be in close vicinity of strangers - female or male- and she can take the liberty to defy normalities such that a yangban lady won't usually do e.g. physical interactions with a guy not even her betrothed etc.

SSK in TWDR, was a slave daughter before she grew up to work for the King at the palace. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't girls at court are basically belonged to the King? What they can or can't do are more restricted and any breach may end with death sentence. What I am comparing is how SSK character decided that her cause to help the King serves a bigger purpose than her feelings for JH.

I am not sure what the writer wants to potray with AS's character. She is supposedly still naive about the truth of the world she is living in and many other things including the motivation behind her fight. Yet she has been exposed to various information of the outside world, she has been jumping around rooftops for years completing her assignments, she is the ruthless killer for the righteous army as well. How can KES make this character still as naive after those years of hard trainings, killings, surviving her many assignments and knowledge she gains from all those newspapers readings and roamings about town? It doesn't make sense. I can consider if she is just in early years of training to be shown as naive but not when it is 10 years of experience. I did put myself in her shoes en route to understand her but many times I ended up on a different side of the road from the one that she chose. 10 eps more, mayhap I can still hope for some light down the road ...

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@miracle23 aka meheartis... I got SSK's two roles mixed up! I forgot she's also in TWDR and I meant her character in SFD (which means I was off topic because who I was replying to DID say TWDR. My bad.

As to Ae shin, I meant if this were reality. Exactly as you said, she'd be accompanied by a chaperone. Her rooftop activities would not exist because she'd be under a lot closer supervision.

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Maybe the writer afraid of backlash from audiences, pairing LBH and KTR has been controversial for some viewers. I don't expect (read: want) Eugene and Ae-shin jump into bed at every opportunity like American series, but even as a conservative ahjumma the lack of passion between Eugene and Ae-shin irks me. Aren't they supposed to be lovers.

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I suppose we need to look on the bright side. With more couples like Eugene and Ae shin, there will be less global warming.

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Certainly, less overpopulation 😉

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You just won't see what goes on behind closed doors.
Pent up passion.

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I'm rather amused by how conservatism in the past or morals as some would call it, equates to no passion and innocence.

In those days, it's common to get married by 16. Prior to marriage, there's almost no contact with the opposite sex, much less gallivanting around. So the stage where one starts to get interested in sex and experience it was very short.

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Speaking of passion, I almost thought Ae Shin was planning to stay the night with Eugene before that assassin's bullet whizzed into the hotel room! But nooooooo. That would have been crazy out of character for them both, anyway. 🤣

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She seems like the kind of girl who'd make the first move. Especially with Eugene being so honorable and all.

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Theirs is a special kind of love, so on their first night at the lake *blushes like Eugene*, they'll do any one of these things not necessarily in this order.

1. They watch the kettle boil slowly on the coals...I say coals because it's more romantic than a stove. It's the same kettle from that day at the beach.

2. AE folds a paper windmill, and teaches Eugene how to fold it as well. They giggle, and blush when she accidentally touches his hand.

3. They open the music box and sing Greensleeves in sync with the tune.

4. They recite A to Z, and giggle. AE says let's do L, and she starts with L is for love, then Eugene chips in with L is for lust, and AS asks, what is lust? and Eugene blushes and giggles, so AS gives up....she's getting more frustrated by now...

5. AS makes coffee from the hot kettle, and they drink their coffee together.

6. They run out of paper to make the paper windmills, and dwindle to awkward silence.

7. They drink more cups of coffee, and eventually run out of that, too.

8. They yawn and say, I'm tired, good night, and sleep awkwardly on the same bed, side by side. But they can't sleep because they've drunk so much coffee. So they do the only thing left that they haven't done...

9. They play hide and seek, and Eugene decides to hide in the frozen lake because that's one place she'd never dream of looking.

10. In the morning, the search party finds Eugene stone dead, his face frozen in a giggle forever.

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And I am laughing hard in my toilet reading this!

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Oh my. You guys are hilarious.

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Or make shadow puppets on the wall like in the romance scene of "the prince with the facial scar that isn't that much of a scar: Ryeo"

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@barbara-fox omgomgomg I can't breathe 🤣🤣🤣

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@yyishereNow this is the kind of comment that makes watching Sunshine so entertaining.

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I thank you all for starting my day with a very, very long laugh that didn't want to quit 😆

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@bbstl August 23, 2018 at 4:53 PM

Now you've got me seeing Thriller. ;-)

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We only tease because we have a certain fondness for the characters, right? 😝

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the teasing is what makes the discussion room so lively here at DB! Very much appreciated and I even hope for more to come in future episodes. *wink*

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My next door neighbour is mental so it's ok for me to lol since every others will think it was she lol lol lol at 1.31 am

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@YY 3. They open the music box and sing Greensleeves in sync with the tune.

It's funny, I always thought the song was for the christmas song "What a child is this". I knew that the original was a older song, but for the context a child in winter in USA and for my love of Christmas I completely forgot the original :p

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Yes, they sing together while each wearing one of his gloves and drinking a giant American beer out of Eugene's top hat.

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I think so many times we forget about the morals of the time period. Even in Korea today, men and women don't casually touch so considering Ae shin's position, and Eugene being very conscious of the social divide between them, he keeps his distance to protect them both.

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thats why you guy dont get it. You all are filled with LUST.

For y'all, love should be about making out.

Such a shallow review from this website.....

The other websites are all over the EuShin ship, whereby their stares full of emotions of not able to come close together for various reason.

Deep down you guys just want Dong Mae to make out with Aeshin to call it romance.

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I'd make him brush the blood off his teeth first.

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take a bath... maybe leave is tachi outside...

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Umm I'm struggling to see how a suspicious death of a US marine wouldn't be an absolute disaster for both Joseon and the Righteous Army. Like did no one consider the political implications?

Also confused as to why the Righteous Army's letters were found in Kim Yong-joo's room.

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Eugene himself calls it a lousy (or something in those lines) organization a few episodes back.
I for one felt that last conflict unnecessary. May be it’s just a set up for some drama between AeShin and Eugene.
I was more intrigued by WanIk plot. Where his actions hit multiple targets. And Eugene messing his plans also made sense. This whole army thingie has been a big let down so far ( for me)

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hmmm... and I'm getting just a little suspicious of the Emperor's chief advisor...

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...yeah, seems like he's always hedging his bets -- talking out of both sides of his mouth...

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I'm not sure I've followed this correctly and maybe it's just my brain filling in gaps (gaaaaaaaps) but I think Wan-sik has the post office head on his payroll so certain mail was intercepted. Then as part of his minion duties KYJ had them, maybe he was supposed to track them down and off them?

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Did any of the letters get sent out?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-25NxT1sk

"If Voldemort ain't attractive then I don't know what is. . ."

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1.9 mil views?! Dang! Irresistable vs resistable bad boys. Question of the day. My pick, bad boy with a heart of gold. Exists only in dramaland. Excellent excuse for daydreaming.

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Yeah, but ya' know, Legend of Fuyao had over 13 BILLION views.

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Thank you for the recap, @tipsymocha, I could not agree more with your Comments! After 13 straight episodes, I hope @dramallama is enjoying a well-deserved break 💐☕️

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The Righteous Army seems pretty weak. How killing a american will help them ? Their unique ally against Japan is USA. It's thank to Eugene that the fake geisha was able to leave Korea, he gave them the famous document and gave them a reason to kill one of the bad guy. The way the Righteous Army deals with people who helped them, it's not very fair (the grandpa, the priest).

I like how Hina and Ae Shin help each other now they know each other secret.

Poor Dong Mae. I want a happy ending for him !

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A happy ending for Dong Mae? Only if the drama isn't pre produced. If they're still filming, there's hope because he has a hecka lot of fans.

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I say I wanted but I know there is little chance, about 1%.

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Isn't this all leading up to Japan annexing Korea? I think they're basically showing that even the "good" guys at the time didn't know what they were doing.

On a related note it's been commented on before that the actual ambassador was extremely pro-Korea and not this shiftless, bribeable dude we got. Like, even after he left his post he was pro-Korea and anti-Japan back in the US. So what I think the writer is going to do here is transfer all his stance and influence and accomplishments over to Eugene. Or maybe have Eugene force him to take those positions. Which, honestly, would piss me off. I can understand wanting to, I dunno, enhance the nationalistic elements but not erasing the actual support from a friendly nation. I really hope I'm wrong here but I can't see any reason to make the ambassador so wildly inaccurate from history other than to erase his accomplishments.

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Thank you, @tipsymocha! Awesome recap. I was so confused the entire first half of this episode. I still don’t remember all the letters that were confiscated by whom and for whom and where they were found. And then that random letter between Joseph and the king. This story is getting too convoluted for me to follow and that’s saying a lot. So the bank note doesn’t matter anymore? It does it? Will someone tell me if these are related? I thought the bank note proved the king was hiding money In Russia and if someone fount it, it would kea disaster. Is this letter serving the same purpose? Why have the letter when you could have used the bank note the entire series? Oh well, I did enjoy watching YYS this episode. I really like how he still had control of everyone in the torture scene. Just a stand out, that one. The mad, laced with splashes of insanity, eye that he did here is so good.

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Exactly. Never have so many postal stampings been focused on so repeatedly for so long while illuminating so little.🙄

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My problem now is that I think KES will eventually tie it all together, but I’ll be super frustrated if she gets just as confused writing this as I am watching it.

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~~~ surrender ~~~ go with the flow 🌊🌊🌊🌊

🌝👳🏽‍♀️😎 It will all work out. Or not.😝

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My fondest hope is that at the end of the series I don't say to self: WTF was that?? Why did I waste my time?
But instead: Well, it all came together nicely and heroically.

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His royal banquet is in Saghai. It takes the Righteous Army weapon. The maps in the letters contain the route of the weapon shipment.
The king's secret letter he gave to Joseph was the American ambassador to China. He demanded the King's financial support from the US for railroad construction to stop accepting the Japanese loan.

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Plus, those letters from room 205 seems super important too with those maps but the owner didn't bother to go back to the hotel to find them. Seems that it originally belongs to the righteous army, no? Weird... plots are jumping around like frog. Don't think I will jumping around as well to catch them. I am old. My knees are old *cough*cough*

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I ignore most stuff as it's Kdtama and things happen to set us up for the next thing but I thought it was poor writing that both Dong mae and Eugene ignored the letters (with the green stamp from some place that starts with an "H") when they searched the attempted assassins ' room. It was unnecessary to write it that they ignored them because Eugene could've taken them then and just not had time to open and read them yet. We still could've arrived where we are now with Eugene opening them after Joseph's death.

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The bank note problem was resolved when Eugene arranged for it to be returned to the King by way of setting up evil-lustful-after-Eugene's-mother Minister Lee. (I think his name was Lee but I'm not sure so that's why I described him.)

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Why was it resolved though? Like as a plot device because it seems that this letter is doing the same thing in terms of plot as that bank note did. The same bank note could have been used as a reason to kill the missionary, Eugene, enable Wan-Ik to manipulate the king, torture Dong-Mae, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But, I’m not a writer (yet) so maybe there’s another reason that the king of Joeson needs to borrow money from the Americans and people get killed to tortured for it on the process.

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Ohhhh. You meant as a plot device so...
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I enjoyed this episode.
-Dong-mae was great as usual. His expressions are pure art. And I loved it when he told Hee-sung's servant to keep him from visiting.
-Hee-sung was hilarious. He actually hit Eugene during the fight, hahaha!
-And speaking of Eugene, I felt so bad for him. He lost his surrogate father and then Eun-san agreed to his have him killed; the guy just can't catch a break.
-I know it's sadistic but I'm looking forward to Hina or Dong-mae getting back at the former maid for her lies. She deserves it.
-And the women were totally bada** taking down Mr. Belligerent.

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And Kyle, well done on threatening Allen. Bravo! It was very satisfying to see the worm Allen squirm.

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Oh, I love how Kyle answers him. Nice!

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Kyle always surprises me and he's becoming one of my favorite characters.

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If I remember correctly, she was spying on Eugene for Dong-mae and searching Eugene's room. Hina found out and fired her for her lack of loyalty. I guess she blames Dong-mae for getting fired when really it's her own fault. Hina was her employer and she showed no loyalty by spying on a guest. But when you're angry and bitter I guess it's easier to blame someone else.
Plus, I bet the corrupt officials paid her for her false testimony.

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Can Kyle actually do that? I know he's military but wouldn't that fire back in their arse?

Despite the despicable things Dong-mae has done, the fact that he can command such loyalty from his underlings, the tarot card reader lady, and the others he just met very briefly, means that he's doing something right (?) or that he's done something right and something great by them for them to not throw him under the bus. If there was any time that anyone who knows Dong-mae could throw him under, this was probably it, but they didn't.

I love that partnership of Hina and Ae-shin.

Also, the scene with the king is so powerful despite showing his apparent lack of power. I feel bad for him, frustrated, etc.

Hina's warning to Dong-mae about his weakness for Ae-shin sounded ominous then, but now that Wan-ik has asked his lackey to check for weaknesses of both Dong-mae and Eugene, it sounds as if we were given a foreshadowing. No matter how brief though, I loved seeing Wan-ik so flustered and haunted by the words uttered by Ae-shin's mum that night. Haha.

Now I need some clarification, who sent the letters that were recovered from Kim Yong-joo and who were the intended recipient/s?

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In the letters the recipient: apothecary, sender: Isaac, Peter, Lazarus (biblical names). Apothecary is the secret place of R. Army. They wanted to inform them about the route of the trucking from Sanghai.
"Isaac", "Peter", "Lazarus" are missionaries who help the R. Army.

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Ah okay. But before the letters were received they got intercepted by Kim Yong-joo. Thanks for this I was really quite confused. 😊

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My take on the last two episodes:
- I want Dong Mae with Hina. They could be a more interesting couple than Yoo-jin and ae Shin.
- Is KES adopting C-drama writing style? They create mystery by not writing any clues at all. Sometimes key people being kept half series (not even a mention of their names) and out of the blue they appear as the supervillains. So we've been wasting 30 hours wishing dead to unimportant characters? Back to Mr. Sunshine, what is this with secret letters, why only this week the viewers get a glimpse of them if they're significance to the plot??
- I genuinely enjoy product placement in this drama.

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Is Dong mae's unwillingness to name Go Sa-hong an act of nobility by refusing to falsely accuse the old yanbang or is it out of care for Ae shin?

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Out of 'obsession' not care for ae shin. A girl who doesn't even care about him.

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I want to believe that it is out of respect fof the old man. The elder is well known for being a good yangban. Till now we already see how DM can easily pick and choose his victim. I don't think he wants to hurt the remaining good guys in Joseon. Yup I am turning a blind eye to any AS related reasoning. Too much to handle. Leaving it writer nim...

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I think it was just because he is AeShin’s grandpa. The guy loses all his reasoning when it comes to her. Good call on turning a blind eye.

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If he signs, he confesses that he's the killer too.

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This might not be anyone opinion,but why does Eugene always squared his expression like his holding his shit and would rather visit the toilet than talk or it's that how his expressions is supposed to be? Am genuinely curious.

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DM - EC interrogation:
EC : Q1-1
DM: Q2-1
EC: Answer Q2-1
Intermission
DM: Answer Q1-1
EC: Q1-2
DM: Answer Q1-2
EC: Unrelated Q - AS
DM: Did you find KYJ?
EC: Unrelated Q - AS
DM: clues, clues, clues - all case-related
EC: Unrelated Q - AS
DM: Warning of future event
EC: Misunderstanding
DM: Corrects EC, again, warning of future event
Intermission
End

- AS was on his mind since that answer to Q1-1. No wonder he took from morning to nighttime to figure out KYJ's hiding place plus forgetting about WI's plan to use DM's man to kill him. These are all at the expense of ignoring DM during interrogation. *facepalm*

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THese sites is cancerous. Full of Dong Mae fangirls

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I think a person's jealousy and inability to accept others' preferences are much worse than cancer. Go figure.

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* accept differences in others' preferences...

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Okay, so I'm not the only person who was a bit confused. The "mysteries" are kinda sloppily done here, I had no clue what I was supposed to understand from the postage stamps. And I totally agree that these characters share too much of their information for their own good. Like, Eugene, don't barge into Wan-ik's house and basically show him your hand. Why. Just keep your mouth shut and give us more voice-over. This is a show where I really wouldn't mind voice-over to know what our characters are thinking.

On a positive note, Yoo Yeon-seok just steals all of his scenes. He is riveting.

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You are not alone. At this point, I don't even know where the plot is to look forward to the next episode.
I did not follow the postal stamps/letters.
I did not understand why the Army didn't try to get those letters from Glory Hotel.
AeShin got some letters from Wan-Ik, but what came of that?
What is the army's opinion of Wan-ik - are they tracking him? After all he is the biggest villian to Joseon.
Why on earth did potter Eun wants AeShin to shoot Eugene?
Why did Seong-Ju (the member of Army who is also AeShin's father's friend) reveal Ae-Shin'a name to Eugene and why did he talk so much (when they re supposed to die if they got caught)

p.s. - how do you format your comments? is there some tips somewhere?

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After 14 episodes I feel like..

1. Only Hina, Dongmae, Wanik and Heesung’s characters remain interesting. Hina, Dongmae and Wanik are such sophisticated characters, I’m curious about their past and the strategy they’re gonna take to bring down their enemies. Heesung simply needs more chance to be useful to Aeshin and continue to entertain us by being funny, lol.

2. I almost forget that Eugene is a busy man who is capable to do great things other than writing personal letters and going on dates. He was cool when he handled the bank note and Lee Sehun, and he proved himself to be very useful and helpful on the geisha case, but that’s like how many episodes ago? Good thing that he started working on Joseph’s case now.

3. Aeshin’s character seems to be less and less attractive and perhaps start to contradict herself and be a little annoying? She started off giving the admirable noble lady image who is so humble that she even eats on the same table as the servants (Hamandaek and Bomi) and dates a man from a servant background. So, what’s with her arrogance in front of Dongmae and Hina? Is there really a need to throw that bag of money to the floor right on Dongmae’s face? And what made her think that nobody can have the gut to ask her any question? I was kinda happy when Hina looked straight into her eyes and told her “I am asking you right now!”. And I was quite satisfied when Dongmae threw the money bag back to the floor after taking just a coin out. Fighting fiercely for Joseon? Let’s see if she can kill Eugene as per the Righteous Army’s order in the next episode. I bet she can’t coz Eugene, being the main character, will not die until episode 24.

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Honestly the writing behind ae shin character has not been consistent right from day one. She is fine as a badass shooter but that's the only admirable quality about her. I was looking forward to a new outlook about joseon from her when Eugene asked her if butchers and slaves can live in the joseon she's fighting for but at the end of the day it didn't really change anything for her under than her thinking about it for like a couple of minutes and that's all. I wanted to see her with a fresh perspective about positions in life but I guess that's a wistful thought cos this is a kes drama and she has a special way of ruining her dramas herself.

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Does anybody know what happened to @tacourtn aka @Tim? All of his posts now say "unregistered" and his fanwall/profile seems to be gone???

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I noticed that as well. Some of the comment threads have become a little heated for this drama. I hope that they haven't had a role to play in his absence from this site.

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That is actually why I didn't press my views on this real life character Richard Allen. I know Tim felt that because this gentleman was recorded in American history as a very good man that he didn't like the portrayal in Mr. Sunshine. But my personal views is not too trust how America records its history all of the time. And even if someone is good from one point of view that didn't mean that's the only aspect of that person. I'd be very interested to know how Richard Allen is recorded in Korean history books. (Or even how he is viewed by descendants of people from that time. There are things in African American culture that we KNOW FOR A FACT and has been passed down orally, but because slaves could not read or write (and if they could, no one would've published it) it didn't appear in history books and we're told "no, it didn't happen that way because it's recorded as this way (by some plantation owner with power in politics). Anyway, I wanted to read his reasons why he felt so strongly on this subject but he told me it was on his fanwall and when I went to check it out today, he's gone. 😕

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I remember Tim mentioning that both Korean and American sources spoke favorably of Minister Allen. Of course, even in such cases, we should investigate further. Bias can be found everywhere. I do not know much about Minister Allen at all, so I will refrain from commenting at this point about him.

On this site, we should be free to express our opinions, but it doesn't always work out that way. I don't know why Tim left. Let's hope that he decides to come back!

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Absolutely! Tim had been a great contributor to my enjoyment of this show.

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Maybe Tim had the same problem I'm dealing with: this show and comments are taking up too much of my time but I haven't been able to let go yet.

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It's so strange, all of his posts have simply disappeared! Tim and I had some great conversations about this show, I also hope he decides to return. :(

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@linda P
1) First, I don't know why this cut the links to reply so quickly
2) I don't know why it won't let me tag you
3) But Tim not only deleted some posts but unregistered completely. That's an indicator he's done with the site completely. 😢

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@ramonathepest I think you have to use an underline between my first and last name.

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@Linda_p Nope. Didn't work. As I typed the first part of your name, all other linda"s auto fill in but not yours.

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@ramonathepest,

To reply to @linda-palapala,
you have to type a hyphen, not an underbar. There's only one other linda with a hyphen. ;-)

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Thanks 👍

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oops, thanks again Pakalana! But why anyone would want to read the crazy stuff I post, I can't figure out.

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@linda-palapala Actually, I was trying to get your attention because I wanted to reply to you but for some reason the "reply" button is not on our last few comments. But I quite enjoy your posts. 🙂

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OMG, why??
Tim, please come back! 😢
He's been contributed A LOT to the conversation.

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Is it just me, or does anybody else get excited during sageuk torture scenes because our swoony male hero looks even more heroic by enduring all the pain?

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I like how you consider Dong-mae the male hero. Not that I disagree or anything. I find Hee-sung, Dong-mae, Hina, and Ae-shin independent of Eugene, all more fascinating than our titular Mr. Sunshine.

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Dong mae is a dingbat, running around in his little boy costume with the play sword acting all macho.
I like the heroic, stoic Eugene, but in real life I like the same kinda guy. Mr Sunshine is far more fascinating.
Isn't it great that we can each have our own favorites!

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I heard that Mr. Sunshine will ont be on this Saterday because of the Asia Games.
Any truth to that rumer

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Noooooo...I'm so looking forward to tomorrow.

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Netflix says it is on today so i am going with that.

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No ep 15 on netflix tody. both 15 and 16 will be on tomorrow. grrr

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Where are you? I just watched ep 15 on Netflix. It started at a snail's pace but just got better and better. And I say that as a person who's ridiculed it til now.

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Tim, if you're reading this... I hope you come back and comment sometimes, even if you don't re-establish your account. You had a lot of interesting insights.

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Yes, Tim, we miss your commentary.

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Tim where are you? We miss your informative, intelegent remarks, and your great fan page.

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Yes, my thoughts exactly. Tim, i hope you will come back)

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When Eugene was tending to Hee-sung's wounds it reminded me of after the wolf scene when Belle was tending to the beast's wounds.

I am itching for more Hee-sung scenes and Hina scenes and Ae-shin being more of a badass.

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I'm beginning to like Eugene and Hee sung together.

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Oh, wow, I just realized today is Friday...tomorrow is when we find out whether or not Ae Shine actually shoots Eugene, or if she shoots another sniper who's trying to shoot Eugene, or if she doesn't shoot and they run off together, or ....any guesses?
Or maybe the writer will pull another stunt like the trip to the ocean, which lasted about 10 seconds and was nothing.

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Why do you have to use the bloody image of Dong Mae as the header for this recaps???? I'm scared of blood, and when I watch this eps I close my eyes the entire time they show bloody Dong Mae huhuhu.

But at least now I've seen it, hell yes he still looking so good (though so bloody, ugh)

I wonder why I can keep watching this drama. Sure I'm grateful they became quite intense this week, but I become more and more confused. Everyone say everything like a poet with so many things behind one thing they said. And then there are so many character showing up I forget who is who. There are so many unsolved problem and plot, I started to forget what is what by now. I don't even know what I really want to say.
What I can really put by now is: Ae-shin and Eugene relationship is confusing, Dong-mae isn't really in love with Ae shin and just obsessed, Hina is really cool she is the only one I know what her clear intention is all about, and Hee Sung the lost puppy.
I'm sorry if I sound like some ignorant student in a class full of students working on some assignments and here I am just scrolling through my phone, trying to find clue what everyone is really doing right now

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...you'll just have to stay after class young lady!

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The teachers are going to give me detention after this ugh.

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Welcome to dramabeans honey :) Don't worry, I think half the time we're all only pretending to know what we're talking about.

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Did you not read my comments? I’m just as confused (probably more so) as you are!

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Just saw that now!! I'm sorry Ally. At least I'm thankful I'm not alone in this blindness :))

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Yes I agree this plot is like 3 dimentional chess. I am not a stupid person but this is convoluted. Eugune is on his way to be shot by his lover. And apparently is aware of the suicidal implications. This is the same person moments ago that risked her life to console him for the death of his adopted father. The potter who has been drinking Eugene's beer and letting him stay at his place, that guy. Yes this is chalenging.

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I just had a chat with NETFLIX and the say ep 15 and 16 will be available tomorrow . No Mr. Sunshine today. Now that is annoying. I say we should tell NETFLIX in Kdramaland there is an uprising of the rightious army.

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...watched ep 15 on Netflix earlier today -- looking forward to watching ep 16 tomorrow... probably not too much interest in Asia Games around my neck of the woods...

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Thanks for the update. I am watching it now. I had a chat with the contact us squad an they said tomorrow. All is well , sorry for the miss information.

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...no worries -- watching it right now too (for the 3rd time)...

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I laughed hard at the scenes where Eugene tends the cuts on HS's face; he looks adorably naughty when he earnestly looks at Eugene 😂 and that Eugene has to push his face to the other side twice 😍😂 ; the same guy who earlier proposes to the Dong Mae's men to kill Eugene if he unable to release DM 😆

...dear God, other than Hina and Ae Shin's get together, i enjoy the bromance between the 3 male leads too.

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Are these 2 ever going to kiss???? All the longing looks and tears eyes....I understand she's a noble and he's a former slave, but this has gone on long enough

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