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Are You Human Too: Episodes 7-8

So-bong has been telling herself that it’s okay to sneak around and spy on Shin, despite his saving her life, because he’s generally such a jerk. But she’s beginning to see flashes of Nam Shin-III through his mask, and those glimpses of his kindness and gentleness start to complicate things. It’s easy for her to tell herself that a guy like Shin deserves what he gets, but what does she do when that guy turns out to be a lot different than she thought?

EPISODE 7 RECAP

Nam Shin-III sees So-bong drive away and follows her to the hospital out of curiosity. He sees his mother, Ro-ra, entering the hospital, and scenes from their life together — her teaching him to walk down stairs, running to Shin as he lies bleeding in the street, asking Nam Shin-III to go to Seoul and protect Shin’s birthright — rush through his mind.

Inside, he overhears Ro-ra’s conversation with Young-hoon and the doctor, and he realizes that Young-hoon lied to him about where he was going. He goes outside to think, which is when he sees So-bong hanging over the railing, gaping at the real Shin being wheeled inside.

He approaches her, and she asks if he saw the guy who looks just like him. He knows that he’s supposed to be human Shin right now, so he says it’s ridiculous that someone could look like him.

He asks what she’s doing here, and she explains that she overheard Young-hoon talking to someone about meeting here to see Shin. She claims that she came to guard him, and Nam Shin-III grabs her hand and declares her a liar again. She asks if he’s got a lie detector or something, and he’s all, “How did you know?” Hee.

Having seen their cars, Young-hoon finds them and sends So-bong home, taking Nam Shin-III to ride with him. When Shin opens the car door, Young-hoon slams it shut and asks Nam Shin-III why he didn’t alert him that So-bong followed him. When Nam Shin-III just stares, Young-hoon sighs that only humans can make judgment calls like that and apologizes for not explicitly telling Nam Shin-III what to do in that situation.

Nam Shin-III has other concerns — why Young-hoon lied about Ro-ra and Shin. He asks if Young-hoon is a human he can trust, and Young-hoon says coldly, “You must be mistaken. You are not the real Shin. I don’t care if you trust me or not. Just do as I say.” He opens the car door, but Nam Shin-III slams it, explaining that he copied Young-hoon because he’s not finished talking. Once he has Young-hoon’s attention, Nam Shin-III tells him that So-bong saw Shin.

So-bong is already calling Jong-gil about seeing Shin, but he’s more concerned about Ro-ra’s whereabouts. He sneers that Shin doesn’t even have a brother, much less a twin, and she admits that it makes no sense.

Jong-gil instructs her to call him if she sees Ro-ra again, and when he hangs up, Toady asks if he thinks Ro-ra returned because she misses her son. Jong-gil snaps that if that were the case, she’d be talking to Shin, not Young-hoon.

Back at the house, Young-hoon corrects Nam Shin-III for getting out of the car himself instead of letting Young-hoon open his door. Nam Shin-III nods affably and gets back in the car, and Young-hoon’s You have got to be kidding me right now expression is priceless.

He confronts So-bong about following him this morning. She says she’s nervous because she only has one month to impress Shin and keep the job. She says she overheard Young-hoon’s call and thought the other person wanted to see Shin, but when Young-hoon went alone, she thought she could win brownie points with Shin if she discovered what Young-hoon was up to.

She tells him that she was so flummoxed that she even thought she saw a patient who looked exactly like Shin. Young-hoon mutters that he wishes such a person existed so he could have him replace the troublesome Shin. He tells So-bong to just focus on guarding Shin from now on.

He immediately calls Ro-ra to say that they have to move Shin as soon as possible. The doctor complains that Shin is too unstable, but Ro-ra agrees with Young-hoon and they agree to move Shin tomorrow.

Nam Shin-III tries repeatedly to call Ro-ra, but her line is always busy. He wanders out to the pool, remembering when he was first created and Ro-ra took him swimming. So-bong goes to the balcony and sees Nam Shin-III floating peacefully in the water, and as she watches, he sinks under the surface.

She gets concerned when he doesn’t come back up for air, and she runs down to the pool. Nam Shin-III looks unconscious, so So-bong jumps in and pulls him to the surface, not noticing that her heart locket breaks and sinks to the bottom of the pool. Nam Shin-III stands up and stares at her, wide-eyed and perfectly fine, and So-bong yells that he worried her.

He grabs her hand, and this time he feels that she’s telling the truth. He gives her that sweet, unguarded smile, and So-bong’s heart starts to pound again. She snaps at him for staying underwater so long, wailing that he could die, but he says that she’s the one who will die — when her heart explodes. LOL.

Young-hoon finds them, and they obediently climb out of the pool and go inside, where So-bong can’t stop thinking about Nam Shin-III’s comment on her pounding heart. She checks the video feed from the bug she planted in Shin’s room, and just barely manages to look away (why??) before Nam Shin-III pulls his wet pants off. She feels her heart thumping again and orders it to stop.

She picks up the tablet again in time to catch a conversation between Young-hoon and Nam Shin-III. Young-hoon is upset that Nam Shin-III went to the pool after being told to stay in his room, and he yells at Nam Shin-III for not listening to orders. Nam Shin-III hangs his head, and Young-hoon tells him that he can’t get caught, pleading with him to act like Shin.

So-bong wonders why Young-hoon would tell Shin to act like Shin. She starts to think there might actually be two of them, so she calls Reporter Jo to ask for a favor.

Nam Shin-III has to attend a meeting at the company about the driverless M-car, and after So-bong drives him and Young-hoon there, she’s told to wait outside. The meeting is to discuss the M-car’s first test drive, and Aunt Ho-yeon is worried that the recent fire (and Nam Shin-III’s involvement) will draw the wrong kind of attention to their product, but Young-hoon says that at least Shin isn’t being blamed for the fire.

Chairman Nam bellows at all of them for focusing on the wrong thing when the company’s future depends on the M-car doing well. He barks that their time and money will be wasted if they fail, and Nam Shin-III pipes up, “And what if we succeed? I’ll succeed, so give me your position.” Young-hoon gives him an encouraging nod, so he continues to smirk at the chairman, telling him to take care of his health and leave the work to him.

Ho-yeon screeches her objection, but Chairman Nam waves her down. Nam Shin-III says he’s not the same old Shin, and he’s not willing to lose what’s his anymore. With another smirk, he adds that he must have inherited his grandfather’s greed. Chairman Nam actually looks approving of his newfound greed, and he tells him to covet his position after he’s succeeded.

After the meeting, Jong-gil Tells “Shin” that it’s nice to see him so confident. Ye-na chirps to Nam Shin-III that she redecorated his office, but he refuses to go see it with her, and she overcomes her disappointment to say that they have plenty of time to be together. Young-hoon tells Nam Shin-III he dd well and sends him home while he goes to the hospital.

Nam Shin-III asks Young-hoon if he’ll become CEO of PK Motors if Shin never wakes up. Young-hoon says they’ll make sure Shin wakes up somehow, and that he considers Shin more important than himself. Nam Shin-III grabs his hand to check if he’s lying, but instead of telling Young-hoon his finding, he says he was just trying to play a prank, only Young-hoon didn’t fall for it. Heeey… is he learning to lie?

While So-bong waits, she hears from Reporter Jo, who’s back at the hospital. She sends So-bong screenshots from the hospital’s CCTV, then calls So-bong from the VIP ward, reporting that Young-hoon keeps going in and out of a VIP room. She says that Ro-ra is there too, though she doesn’t know who the patient is.

So-bong tells Reporter Jo about the video she saw of Young-hoon asking Nam Shin-III to act like Shin, making Reporter Jo wonder if the guy currently in the house is a fake. So-bong quickly hangs up when Nam Shin-III is ready to be driven home.

In private, Jong-gil is infuriated by what Nam Shin-III said at the meeting about taking over the company. Toady tries to cheer him up with the photos So-bong sent of Ro-ra and Young-hoon at the hospital, and Jong-gil assumes Nam Shin-III’s little speech at the meeting is part of a plot between Shin, Ro-ra, and Young-hoon. He sighs that he needs to get rid of Shin’s brains (Ro-ra) and his arms and legs (Young-hoon).

As she drives Nam Shin-III home, So-bong mentions that he once hit her, but then he saved her life, asking why he’s changed so much. NC3 asks if she thinks he’s not Shin, and he complains, Shin-style, that this is the thanks he gets for saving her life. He offers to hit her again, then tells her to mind her business and drive. LOL, he’s got Shin down perfectly.

Reporter Jo calls right when So-bong instructed, as she’s dropping Nam Shin-III off at the house. So-bong acts like it’s her father calling and pretends he’s in the hospital, and she asks Nam Shin-III for permission to go. He even gives her the use of his car, and as soon as she’s gone, he drops the Shin act and smiles at Chingu the robot vacuum, who’s waiting in his room.

Before So-bong leaves, she checks her video feed of Shin’s room. She sees Nam Shin-III talking to Chingu, but she shrugs it off and heads to the hospital.

The doctor tells Ro-ra that now is a bad time to move Shin because of all the people in the ward, but Young-hoon argues that they have to move him as soon as possible. David says the medical equipment isn’t ready where they’re going, so they should wait.

He opens the blinds to let in some light, which allows Reporter Jo to snap a clear picture of Shin from across the street. She meets up with So-bong, and they compare pictures of Shin at the hospital with Nam Shin-III at home. It confirms that there seems to be two Shins, and that whatever is going on, Young-hoon is in on it.

EPISODE 8 RECAP

So-bong lets herself into Shin’s hospital room and waves a hand in front of his closed eyes. Suddenly he grabs her wrist and sits up to ask what she’s doing. Okay, this has to be Nam Shin-III. Young-hoon comes in, but So-bong is saved from explaining herself by her ringing phone.

It’s Reporter Jo, who says that the video from Shin’s room was frozen, and that there’s nobody there right now. So-bong pretends she’s talking to her father again, then tells the guys that she came to see Dad and heard a nurse say Shin was here.

Young-hoon takes her aside to explain. He says there was a car accident overseas, and that it’s made “Shin” act strange, like hugging people and holding their hands, so they’ve been having him secretly treated for trauma. It seems plausible, but So-bong clearly heard Young-hoon telling Nam Shin-III to act like Shin.

There a coffee cup on the table with lipstick on the rim, and when So-bong asks about it, Young-hoon admits that Shin’s mother was here. He asks her not to tell anyone, and So-bong says that’s a bodyguard’s basic duty. She leaves and apologizes to Reporter Jo for wasting her time.

Once she’s gone, Young-hoon asks Nam Shin-III how he knew So-bong was coming here to find Shin. Nam Shin-III says he knew her excuse to go to the hospital was fake, and he guessed she’d hidden a camera in his room. He hacked her tablet’s camera and saw her saying she was going to uncover Shin’s secret, so he froze the video feed, called Young-hoon to move Shin immediately, and sped to the hospital on Shin’s motorcycle.

Young-hoon is annoyed that Nam Shin-III made the judgment call by himself without first calling to tell him about the hidden camera. Nam Shin-III says that So-bong heard what Young-hoon said about acting like Shin, and that if she’d gotten to the hospital to find nobody there, she’d have grown even more suspicious. He tells Young-hoon, “My judgment was more appropriate than yours today. A human can’t compete with my cognitive abilities. If I had stayed home as you instructed, what do you think would have happened?”

Shaken by the realization that Nam Shin-III is right, Young-hoon says they should pretend not to know about the hidden camera to discover out who So-bong is working with. Nam Shin-III asks about Ro-ra, who’s in the ambulance with Shin, speeding away from the hospital.

So-bong makes her report to Jong-gil, who is annoyed that she wasted time trying to prove there are two Shins when his priority is for her to find Ro-ra. She tells him Young-hoon’s story about Shin being in an accident and his mother visiting him secretly. Jong-gil instructs her to use the hidden camera to figure out exactly what’s wrong with Shin.

Once Shin is safely settled at the new facility, Ro-ra talks to David about what Nam Shin-III did today. She says he impressed her with his ability to make a judgment like a person and avoided being caught, and David brags that he’s better than a person — he’s their son.

Ro-ra gets a call from Nam Shin-III, looking for praise for how well he did today. She thanks him for helping them get out without being caught, but she’s surprised when Nam Shin-III says that he wants to go home now. She tells him that Shin is still very sick and she needs to stay with him, but Nam Shin-III protests, “I’m Shin too, Mom.”

She promises to take him home soon, and David calls out that he misses Nam Shin-III. He’s disappointed when he hangs up, but he tells Chingu that Mom said they can go home soon. Then he wonders just how long it is until “soon,” for humans.

On her drive home, So-bong gets a text from Dad with a picture of a memorial table covered in food. She calls to accuse him of joking that his daughter is dead, and he confirms that he has no daughter… oh no, she forgot her mother’s memorial day. Dad hangs up on her, and she reaches for her heart locket, only to discover that it’s gone.

Later that night, Nam Shin-III wanders outside to find So-bong hovering around the pool. She pouts that she lost her necklace when she jumped in to save him, and that it’s the one thing she has of her mother. Nam Shin-III can relate to her missing her mom, and he covers So-bong’s eyes with one hand.

While she can’t see, he remotely turns on all the outside and pool lights. He removes his hand and motions for her to look again, and there’s her locket, shimmering at the bottom of the pool. Gruffly, he tells her not to lose it again or her mom will be sad.

He saunters away, and So-bong calls out that she’s sorry, but she tells him not to ask what she’s sorry for. Nam Shin-III smiles and says, “I can tell without holding your hand that you’re telling the truth.” He drops the Shin act to smile and thank her for being honest. Aww, swoon.

So-bong rescues her necklace, and back in her room, she thinks again about “Shin” thanking her for telling him the truth. She picks up her tablet and turns off the video feed from his room, then tosses the tablet in the trash, looking a little disgusted with herself.

In the morning, the company gets ready for the M-car’s first test drive on an actual road. Toady brings Jong-gil a kid he found who can hack into the driverless car and control it, and Jong-gil explains that he wants to show that machines like driverless cars are dangerous to humans, and that unfortunately, people have to get hurt and die to prove his point. He gives the kid a photo of the person he’s chosen as his target — Shin.

The PK Motors executives sit down to discuss the upcoming event. Jong-gil kisses up, anticipating that the M-car will soon become their core product, and Ye-na asks Chairman Nam to let her and Shin get married before Shin gets busier. Ho-yeon quips that that’s a creative way of throwing herself at a guy as daddy Jong-gil winces in embarrassment.

The plan is for Nam Shin-III to ride along with the M-car during it’s first test drive, so he, Young-hoon, and So-bong are taken to the car first. Young-hoon hangs back when he gets a call from Shin’s doctor, who tells him that a reporter was asking nurses about the VIP patient just before So-bong showed up.

Young-hoon guesses who the snooping reporter was and confronts Reporter Jo. He asks if she was there on So-bong’s request or someone else’s, making it clear that if So-bong is doing this on her own, he’ll ruin her life far beyond blocking her ability to get a job. Reporter Jo tells him that someone hired So-bong.

The test drive begins, and the entire audience stands to clap. Ro-ra and David are there too, and David says that Nam Shin-III would have loved to know she’s there, but Ro-ra says she wants to see how he handles complex circumstances.

Nam Shin-III isn’t in his car yet, and Young-hoon calls to tell him that So-bong was hired by Jong-gil, but not to mention it to her before he tells the chairman. Nam Shin-III glares in So-bong’s direction then gets ready for the test drive. In the audience, Jong-gil signals Toady and the hacker kid on a nearby rooftop, and the hacker quickly links into the M-car’s controls.

The test drive begins, with the M-car rolling out to the highway surrounded by a PK Motors escort. In a car behind the M-car, So-bong tells Nam Shin-III that she’s quitting due to personal reasons. He asks if she’s just not curious anymore now that she’s seen everything with her hidden camera, and he grabs the wheel before she can drive off the road in surprise.

Suddenly, So-bong notices that the M-car is speeding up and veering erratically. There’s a PK Motors employee riding in the backseat, and he hangs on for dear life while the people back at the company try to fix the problem. Young-hoon is trying to get the chairman’s attention when the video feed shows that the M-car is out of control.

It surges forward, away from its escort, and starts driving crazily through the streets, side-swiping other cars and pushing them off the road. The experts at PK Motors figure out that the car has been hacked, and they instruct the employee inside to take control. By now the M-car is actually flipping other cars out of its way, and the hacker directs it to open a door and fling its rider to the street.

Nam Shin-III has been watching the events carefully, and he gets to work. So-bong screeches at him to stop staring into space and do something, unaware that he’s trying to re-hack the M-car and bring it under control. So-bong pulls up next to the M-car as the hacker counteracts Nam Shin-III’s efforts and makes the M-car start behaving dangerously again.

Nam Shin-III decides he needs to get in the M-car to hit the kill switch, and So-bong freaks out when he opens their car’s sunroof to climb out. She calls him crazy and asks if he’s scared, but he says, “I don’t know that stuff. I have no emotions.”

He climbs out of the sunroof to the top of the car, then leaps over to land on the M-car. He does a front-somersault into the M-car’s passenger seat, but he’s distracted by So-bong’s scream when her car nearly collides with another car. He leans out to check that she’s okay, then opens the M-car’s panel for the kill switch.

The M-car swerves, throwing Nam Shin-III outside of the car. So-bong watches as he grabs the edge of the door and holds on, his body throwing up sparks as he’s dragged along the pavement. Nam Shin-III pulls himself back into the M-car, slides into the driver’s seat, and hits the kill switch just in time to take control and dramatically avoid a fiery collision with a semi truck.

When it’s all over, So-bong runs over to Nam Shin-III, frantic to make sure he’s not badly hurt. She turns him around, which is when she sees his side that was dragged along the ground. His shirt and human-like skin have been burned away, revealing his robotic circuitry.

COMMENTS

I’m not generally a fan of car chases, but I have to admit that the one in this episode was pretty awesome. You could really see the pre-production in this scene, what with all the slick car-flipping and Nam Shin-III’s acrobatics. It also served as a unique way for So-bong to discover Nam Shin-III’s true nature, and I expect that things will get a lot more exciting now that she knows he’s not human. I’m much more interested in seeing her fall for the android knowing that he’s an android, because I’m hoping that the show has some interesting discussions in store about what it means to be human, and what happens when a human and a robot care for each other.

Until this episode, I’ve been worried that So-bong would develop feelings for the man she thought was Shin, not realizing that he’s actually someone else. What I mean is, that she wouldn’t like Nam Shin-III for his own qualities, but for the persona she believes is Shin. But then, during the pool scene, I realized that each time she’s reacted to his close proximity, it’s been when Nam Shin-III wasn’t pretending to be Shin. The first time was during the fire when he swooped her up in his arms, and the second time was when he gave her his patented Cinnamon Roll Smile in the pool, then a third time when he helped her find her locket and thanked her for being honest.

He may be a robot, but it’s already been proven that So-bong’s feelings kick up when Nam Shin-III turns those puppy-dog eyes on her and gives her that childlike smile of his. So that at least calms my fear that So-bong would fall for the Shin persona, because she’s very specifically only showing attraction to Nam Shin-III when he’s being himself. Now that she knows that he’s not Shin, and in fact isn’t even human, I’m looking forward to her feelings getting a lot more confusing. She’s about to be hit with some pure, unadulterated Nam Shin-III, without the cold unaffected Shin veneer, and Nam Shin-III without the Shin mask is some pretty potent stuff.

And despite his stating that he doesn’t have emotions (I call BS on that, he pretty obviously does), I think that Nam Shin-III is about to start developing feelings for So-bong as well. Even though she’s working for the enemy at this point, I can see how Nam Shin-III is going to get attached to her. The people in his life that he’s always counted on to be there for him, Ro-ra and David, are now focusing their energy and concern on Shin. To Nam Shin-III’s mind, he’s being pushed to the side in favor of the human, “real” son. But So-bong didn’t lie when she jumped in the pool to help him and wailed that she was worried, and she sincerely apologized to him later about spying on him, so Nam Shin-III has identified her as another human who does, in fact, care about him. It’s very important to Nam Shin-III to feel safe, cared for, and cherished, so if (he thinks) he’s losing Ro-ra in that way, he’ll quickly latch onto the next nearest person whom he knows cares about him — So-bong.

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thanks for lovely recap.

because I’m hoping that the show has some interesting discussions in store about what it means to be human, and what happens when a human and a robot care for each other.

and this is exactly why i am sticking to the show as i am very curious to know PDnim's take on Robo-Human and esp when he is an AI Soft Robot. And how they will justify what they are going to show as ending.....
and on side note.. am so happy that LJH getting chance to show so many of his expressions here after FoS..... still his acting needs improvement at times.

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I won't repeat my comments about why I'm dropping the show. But that whole segment at the end highlights my problem with the writing.

For a start, these people made a car that can be hacked by this mysterious SUPER HACKER so it deserves to fail its test. But even beyond that, why spend so much time establishing that Nam Shin-III can interface and control electronics if he wasn't going to stop the car by taking control of it? So now we're supposed to believe super hacker is even better than an android that can interface with any system? And how can he interface with any system? Is there no encryption on any of these networks? And if there is, can Nam Shin-III break all those encryption safeguards instantly? If so, we're back to "how did this hacker take control of the car once he interfaced with it?"
And if this car didn't have adequate encryption then what is the company even doing?

I'm all for handwaving and suspension of disbelief but this is out of control. The entire thing seemed to be constructed around So-bang finding out Nam Shin-III was an android in the most-OTT way possible.

Once again, the writers want to move us from A to B in the shortest way possible without really caring that much about how. That's my problem with the characterisation as well.

So, this is me checking out. Adieu.

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on same sentiment with you over everything you said. All that car chase was beyond stupid for me...
and the time NS3 took to finally get over the car was wayyyyy too long and that car could hav killed dozens of people on the same road it was in. All the time car was making turns and bumping here n there i was shouting do something.... otherwise it will kill many... but nahj they hav to show uri NS3 can intercept car system far away.

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About the car killing people I think it didn't because Jong-Il had told the hacker to target Nam Shin

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but NS3 dint know that... so his top priority should be to stop the car at the earliest... thats what i think.

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He did try to do that and like his mom said his exposure to new situations is going to shape his responses

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@manichan
thats very true and i am not blaming NS3 for not jumping out earlier but writer for having SB and NS3 talking and so many camera angles of running car just like the fire scene... they made the scene over dramatic when it could hv been sorted out sooner.

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NS3 was not in disaster mode. His programming was assessing the situation to make a correct judgement. He's never been exposed to so many variables.

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I think Nam Shin 3's system was designed to interface and control basic electronics or his system has not had a chance to hack into another system which is why he couldn't control the car. I don't have much knowledge about IT but this is my theory

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no that's not the case...he did intercept the car and slowed it once but as soon as he got distracted hacker got the access back and locked it for NS3 to enter again...

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I agree that the show is nonsense. That's why I treat it as a comedy, much easier to digest. However the hacker was given access to the car's interface by the bad guy(forgot his name), they had the computers set up for him and everything, it wasn't so much a hack as an intrusion with access.

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Yeah - there’s a huge difference between hacking a system in the fly and getting the back door opened for you. I wasn’t bothered by any of that stuff.

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That's a really good point! It actually helps with my suspension of disbelief....Because this was bothering me too

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Nam Shin III's phone call with his mom is so heartbreaking, especially when he says "I'm Shin too, mom." I'm hoping he can stay being a cinnamon roll until the end because gosh I love his innocent smiles.

I agree with LollyPip regarding the awesome car chase. Seo Kang Joon looks extra handsome is those scenes. I'm excited to find out what happens next now that So Bong knows he's a robot, and I really hope she continues to become a better person because of Nam Shin III.

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Right about that phone call. I don't know if his mom has ever lied to him, but she clearly did then. I wonder if he sensed that (there's a thin line between lies and intent, which is probably something that he will soon discover and grapple with). But that is going to be a serious crap-hit-the-fan conversation when NS3 confronts her about setting him aside.
Which is why I'm ready for So-Bong to be team NS3, because of all of the humans he knows, she has no loyalty to Shin and has every reason to care about NS3, which he'll need when he discovers that he indeed does have feelings. I'm looking forward to her being there for him when his mom fails to, and we all know that's coming.

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This episode honestly had me on edge. The scene where So Bong entered the hospital room,the car chase scene (he looked sooo handsome) all had me at the edge of my seat. The phone call with his mom was heartbreaking. He has been plucked from his natural environment and thrown amongst unfamiliar people and therefore he needs communication with someone he knows. As a person who has experienced something like this recently, not having friends or family to talk to makes a person feel very lonely.

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I honestly think you're missing the point on the " I have no feelings front" the fact of the matter is that he doesn't. He very literally can't. Because emotions are reactions based on the neurotransmitters in our brains, it's a chemical reaction that, at least for now, cannot be replicated in non-organic organisms. It's important that So-bong understands that he can never feel like she does and whatever he does "feel" will be different but not any less important. AI's are complicated and we're still learning about them. He is based on programs, but the fact that he's an AI makes things complicated because we don't know how his learning process affects how he deals with his programming. It's very complicated but the point is he can't really feel, but he experiences things in a way that is unique to him and must be appreciated in its own way.

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That's true, but the drama has marketed itself as being about a robot that can feel. Plus we saw tissues, muscles, nerves grow on him in that machine. Plus his creator/mom literally mentioned that he has nerves. Here's what she said about NSIII suddenly turning on his disaster mode after she turned it off (a quote from dramafever) - "the things that happen in the trigeminal nerve can never be known for sure". So basically he's not like any of the AI we have in real life. I mean if we can suspend disbelief about body tissues growing on a piece of metal and building the robot's body on it own, we surely can throw logic out the window.

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well sure, but as you can see from my closing statement, I think it's important to understand the differences because that is the whole point of the show. The relationship between humans and machines and the human experience. I think we would be throwing all that out the window by just thinking he can feel like we do. I'm not criticising the drama for being unrealistic or anything, just a thought of how important it is to see SH3 as a machine and not a human.

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This is sort of the Battlestar Galactica conversation all over again. While a robot can’t have the exact same process as a human, it’s conceivable that a robot can develop an incentivized value structure that functions similarly. Kind of like (non-criminal) psychopaths - they don’t have emotion but can seem like they do because they operate in value hierarchies.

So if Nam Shin III assesses that So Bong’s happiness is a vital part of his own happiness, then he’s likely to treat her well. He’s also got some baseline altruism built into him, and some emotional responses that will encourage people to bond with him. I wouldn’t worry that his synthetic reactions are too dissimilar from human.

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I could've never said it better, you made my point better than I ever could!

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This has been bugging me since the pre-show publicity.

Even if AI gets as smart as humans, it will be smart differently. Humans can get cranky when tired or hungry, but why should a robot? Human intelligence is layered over biological factors like homones and instincts (like reproduction) that robots won't have. Even you fake it by making a robot look and sound human, and training it to act human, the similarity will only be skin deep.

And speaking of faking it and skin, is NS3 "anatomically correct"? If they fall in love, what happens in episode 17? Is she *very* disappointed or does he turn into a motorized sex toy with a cinnamon-roll smile?

Also, we're nowhere near having computers smart enough to act like NS3, and the best we have draw a lot of power and need a lot of cooling. NS3 would be "hot" literally. There should be smoke coming out of his ears. Smoldering glances would be.... you get the idea.

It just works soooo much better to have a human pretend to be a robot.

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I lost it at "sex toy".... 😂😂😂

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You should watch Humans instead. I highly recommend it

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"Even if AI gets as smart as humans, it will be smart differently." this is why Detroit: Become Human the game failed as an AI story. even if you programm a robot to /feel/ it won't process those feelings like an organic creature.
INAR's Aji3 (third time's the charm I suppose) was a lot better thought-out.

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and I guess both giving and not giving him a dick by his mother has unfortunate psychological implications... so i guess shrodingers dick it is

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Dead at Schrodinger's dick.🤣🤣🤣🤣

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I also wondered how "anatomically correct" NS3 is? Hehe.

And though NS3 doesn't have biological factors he does have a mind, and he can learn. We learn how to love and express love by being shown love from others. What's to say he can't learn the same way how to feel and express emotions? I think he already is.

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Huzzah to everything you said. And 😂😂😂 at sex toy, which is essentially what he would be

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It's sci-fi y'all, don't overanalyse it. Do you guys not watch/read western sci-fi? Because robots/androids that are so close to human they are barely if at all distinguishable are a very old idea and so is robots pretending to be human. Watch the original Bladerunner or read the book it's based on lol. Sci-fi is not really about imagining technology that would be actually feasible in the near or distant future, though it may do that, it's main goal is often more about using futuristic settings/tech to examine big questions about humanity. In other words sci-fi is actually more philosophy than science. If you get lost in minutiae like this you will never be able to enjoy good sci-fi.

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um, nah. there's good scifi and there's bad scifi that makes you want to shake the author and force them to go outside and see how the world works. overanalizing scifi is what /makes/ this genre. otherwise it's space fantasy.

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Well then we must have a very different idea of what good sci-fi is. Blade Runner has robots pretending to be human, some of whom actually believe they are human. I consider that the best sci-fi movie ever made. But I guess you wouldn't like it or you'd consider it space fantasy?

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I mean, you're arguing that discussions about whether androids with coded brains but without hormones /feel/ or not is overanalizing but you're pretty much taking the sci out of scifi. you might as well call Pratchett's "Thud!" scifi then. it has robots.

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I think you misunderstood. Obviously discussing whether androids can feel is fine, the show is clearly trying to address that question in some way. But overheating or smoke coming out of his ears, that's overanalyzing because it's not relevant to the story and goes unexplained in most android stories. I was really more miffed at this part "It just works soooo much better to have a human pretend to be a robot." because they seemed to be suggesting that having a robot pretend to be human doesn't work as a story. But it's been done brilliantly many times before. Not saying this show is doing it well, I think it's too early to tell.

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I don't think a human pretending to be a robot works better. That was actually my issue with I Am Not a Robot. How can a human not recognise a fellow human in front of them? Everytime he would touch her I would wonder why he didn't question the fact that she had a pulse or that she had body heat like a human, or that she could actually breathe (especially when they were close to each other, or when they kissed) and a bunch of other things that wouldn't make sense if she was a robot (especially since Aji-3 was not meant to be as advanced of a robot as Nam Shin III. When Min Kyu first met the actual robot in ep 1, you could see that her expressions, movements and manner of speaking were not as natural as Nam Shin III's). It's only because Mink Kyu wanted/needed to believe that there was a robot who could think and feel like a human that it worked out (since that was the only way he could interact with/form a relationship with someone, due to his allergy to humans), but honestly anyone else would have found out pretty quickly that she was human.

Are You Human Too is different in that the premise is already outlandish - we don't have robots that look or act this close to how humans do, so we're already suspending our disbelief and basically have to treat this as an alternate universe in which robots like this could be created in the 1990s (still wonder how Mom managed to do that). In that case, it's not too much of a stretch to assume in that her 20 years of research she found ways to cool him down, or whatever else they're trying to make us buy (like the whole muscle thing). I already know this is sci-fi (or sci-fantasy), so I can overlook some things as long as I'm happy with other aspects of the show. With INAR the premise wasn't as far-fetched, so I would pick up on those kind of things more easily and it made it much harder for me to buy in to the whole human-pretending-to-be-a-robot thing.

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or have actual human consciousness implanted in NS3's program, like that movie whose title I can't remember. (this was my initial theory before the drama aired..)

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Well, if you consider "feelings" something that can only be related to neurochemical reactions, it might be the case. However, if you open the definition to something more general and not attached to a certain type of chemical structure and process, then you might say that he feels or at least that he experiences something equivalent to feelings.

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well, that's why specified with the word "emotions" because emotions are just chemical reactions, "feelings" are more complex and a more poetic word it is about our interactions with emotions which are chemical, it is how we understand them with many other compartments in our brains. I'm sure he "feels" many things but my point was that we should learn to be ok with the fact that he can't feel like we do, I feel like it's what starts the conversation about what makes us human and the relationship between human and man.

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I get your point and I think in the end we are talking about the same thing more or less. The main question here is, he is not like us, but are we ready to respect this new form of intelligence with some traits so similar to us? Can we treat him as one of "us"? It is a fascinating subject for discussion anyway :)

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I really like your comment, whatever happens in this drama wouldn't make me think that Nam Shin feels like humans, this is a robot who was made with love and worked on for at least 20 years. 20 years of installing programs in him and inserting expressions.
He cares, is nice, understanding and kind, does it even metter where those feelings come from at this point?

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This is the ep that really sealed the deal for me. I'm here to stay.

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he wants to show that machines like driverless cars are dangerous to human

No need. Uber & Tesla have that covered.

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Thank you as always for the recap, @LollyPip!

You know, this show IS riddled with flaws and plot holes, and the characterization of some of the people are still weak..

Yet I am still here, pretty content to overlook these flaws. I think it can overcome them, and I'm curious to see where they take the story. Robot Sin is still the sweetest, and I am still leading this Fellowship Of The Robot to protect him (and take him to Geppetto).

In the meantime, I hope to see Young-Hoon and So-Bong also join the Fellowship, so we can see kick-butt action and friendship galore!

Fighting, AYHT!

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I'm also here for the Fellowship, and praying that Young-Hoon doesn't succumb to the power of the Ring in his desire to protect GondorNam Shin. He's quite a firecracker under that smooth veneer. I was crying inside when he yelled at NM3 to follow orders and told him off for "being a robot, of course you wouldn't make that judgement". :'(

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I know, me too. T.T C'mon, Young Hoon!

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I know!! I was loving their budding bromance so much! Hear Hear to the Fellowship!

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After watching this episode I realised that NS III is an android too, what will happen if jong-il finds out and hacks him. That would be the end...
Let's not go there...please.

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Oh please no. That would be Goblin episode 13 all over for me.

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and then we would not have NS4 to save NS3 from hacking...
but thatsone very probable climax in making for this drama which never came to my mind..

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Nam Shin III when doing that action scene, Those eyes... Rawr! Full of fire, but you know it he is still in total control and keep calm with no emotion to distract his decision making.

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Nam Shin III owns my heart. He definitely feels emotions and knows Mom loves her real son better. I almost broke down at his "I'm Shin too, Mom." I have no doubt Mom loves Nam Shin III by her "I didn't mean to put him through this," and I completely understand why she would love her human son more, but I fear Nam Shin III might turn evil if he feels abandoned. Young Hoon needs to stop treating him like a robot and being short with him, "only humans this, only humans that." I worry Nam Shin III has another mode besides Disaster Mode.

This show has an awful lot of coincidences: So Bong just so happens to be hired as Shin's bodyguard, live in his house, and install a hidden camera; Jong Gil just so happens to walk into Shin's hospital room during surgery; Snake just so happens to find their house; So Bong just so happens to see Shin's body. I wish Young Hoon had rigged So Bong's room as a preemptive strike, but no need as Nam Shin III can hack her tablet. Jong Gil must know Mom's job in artificial intelligence, so when So Bong insisted she saw two Shins, is Mom developing a robot Shin too far-out of an idea? I breathed a sigh of relief that David wasn't shot to death.

Up until Episode 8, I questioned, "Are we supposed to like So Bong?" Not only does she deserve to be blacklisted, she also works for the enemy, so I was relieved when she voluntarily quit. So Bong finding out the truth is a bit quick, but clearly she had to in order to get her on the good side. I wasn't worried about the runaway M-car, since Nam Shin III can hack a hacker. And look like the Terminator while doing it.

Nam Shin III helping So Bong find her necklace was heart-fluttering and cheeky. Good thing she knows because he is honest to a fault. "I have no heart." "I have a lie detector." "I have no emotions." Though Young Hoon spun it as a side effect of the car accident, Nam Shin III hugging everyone who cries will get him into trouble. Mom seriously needs to consider turning that off... or try to like how Disaster Mode wasn't deleted.

Thanks a bunch for the recap, @LollyPip!

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YES! YES! YES! I am so glad So-bong found out early. This is exactly what I wanted: for her to fall for NS3 knowing who and what he is. She is going to be a lifeline for him hopefully, because it does seem like everyone is pushing him to the side for Shin, and he knows it. I hear so many talking about things being unbelievable and not making sense, but I think the heart of the story is not about plot holes
(because we do notice them) but about a new life-form finding his way through the word after being sheltered for 20 years. NS3 is a form of life. Despite what people say, emotions come from your mind not your heart (your heart is just an organ). And NS3 has a mind, so in time he is (and has been) forming attachments and developing feelings. That's the point: as he develops intellectually, his ability to have emotions develops as well. If you give an android sentience, can emotions be far behind? I think not, especially in NS3's case.

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BTW can someone explain all these "cinnamon roll smile" comments to me, cause I must have missed something. Or is that what everyone is calling his smile because it's so sweet?
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Me too - since a cinnamon roll is a concentric swirl I have no idea what that smile would look like, other than “@“, which is WEIRD.

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meme. precious cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure.

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I think the AI part is very interesting. Some people see him as tool, he had to do what he said : acts like Human Nam Shin, don't go out, etc. But Nam Shin III is evolving and the fact of people lying to him or hidding things to him could be issue later about his fidelity.

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Amen to all this especially the bitch slap, can I help you when the time comes....??

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" I think that he thinks of everyone, humans or AI, as the same just with different internal "gear" so as to say. Which is why it doesn't hurt him to say he has no heart or no fear or that he isn't "human". To him, right now, the difference between humans & AI is just that - the same but made with different materials. And the problem lies in him believing that everyone thinks the same. He isn't jealous of NS yet cause he thinks he too is Rora's son, just like him, but made with a different system. That having him there does not mean less for him. "

This makes him ha E the one quality we all wish we as humans have... That we all the same, it doesn't matter the race, gender, religion, sexaulity or background... We might be different and it's okay to be different because fundamentally we are all equal...

He sees the world in a way I want my children to...

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Thanks for the recap @lollypip! I'm happy to have caught up with everyone, though I'm sad I can't binge any more of the show. Overall, I'm happy to buy into the fiction that this robot develops emotions, along with the cool actions scenes. I'm sure my heart will be broken in a hundred pieces by the end of this, but at least I'll be prepared.

I think I've decided to consider this a fantasy drama. Sci-fi is fantasy, just disguised under nuts and bolts and fancy sciency jargon. The fact that we have a robot with muscles, nerves and "life fluid" (?) is close to Tolkien's sub-creation activity*. Even Mom doesn't quite understand what she has created. How come Disaster Mode wasn't deleted? Geppetto needs to happen @bammsie.

In other dramas we have a predictable lead. Here, the robot is the wildcard - we don't know how he will evolve. We don't know what will happen when Shin the Original wakes up (I hope he wakes up sooon, and give us some prince and the pauper hijinks).

Obviously the drama is trying to question what it means to be human, since a robot is behaving more like humans should. But if he stops trusting humans and starts acting on his own, that could be scary. I don't want to see him turn evil. I could see a little look of unease in Young-Hoon's eyes when NM3 crowed that his judgment was superior to humans. This is not going to become a Humans vs Androids showdown is it? It's already pretty clear Chingu Roomba doesn't like humans.

*To clarify that geeky reference: In The Silmarillion the Valar (sort of heavenly beings) were told to wait for the "first born" (Elves) and "second born" (Men). Impatient, one of them decided to mold creatures out of rock/mud, and got into trouble with The Divinity (Eru/Iluvatar). In the end however Eru granted these creatures life of their own. They were the first Dwarves.

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Oh! Didn't see the tag til now. But yes. Who do you want to be in this Fellowship, Toki?

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As an errand boy on the run, I think I'll be Strider. And you?

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That's awesome. I love him.

Hmm... I think I'm most suited to be Samwise. :) Or Pippin!

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I loved the swimming pool scene and how So Bong is quickly softening towards NSIII. This girl needs some love, and NSIII is so sweet... there you have the recipe for something happening between these two. And I can't wait to see how NSIII starts getting protective about her once he realizes that she cares about him. It's going to be so difficult for her not to fall for him.
I can't wait to see more, but I'm very scared that they will turn this story into a tragedy. I'm bracing myself for a heartbreak...gosh I'm already heartbroken because poor baby NSIII cannot see his mother, and this has only started.

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Yay, thanks for the recap and all your comments. Looking forward for Monday to come....

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Lot of great moments in this episode, but my favorite was the swimming pool scene. Something about Nam Shin III just sinking to the bottom of the pool, not a breath taken, and without blinking drove home the point that he is not human even further. Yet, the very reason he is there in that moment, acting this way is because he is hurting. What an interesting, beautiful dichotomy.

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the scene when NSIII asks Mom to come home is so heartbreaking, and when Secretary Ji scolded NSIII, too.
I don't think a robo character has ever made me this sad before </3

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Seo kang joon is the sole reason im watching this. But after this episode, i think i might miss him. The whole story doesnt make sense at all. And i dont really like the female lead. Like i dont hate her but she is not lovable enough for me to stay and cherish more seo kang joon hotness. 😌😓

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Despite the suspension of disbelief regarding passing an android for a human I am enjoying this quite a lot. I am also glad So Bong is finding out Nam Shin III is a robot early on because I think the dilemma of whether a human can love a robot is lot more interesting than falling in love with the robot and finding out later. What will So Bong think of her heart palpitations now? How self-conflicted will she be?

I am also enjoying Nam Shin III's awareness and questioning and learning. Omma and David observe him develop and react partially with the fond eye of a parent, partially with scientific curiosity , I watch with immense interest. Akin to the question of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" I wonder whether robots feel betrayal. Shin III seems to when he asks Young Hoon why he lied to him and I loved him beating Young Hoon with his logic.

I am also finding Shin's reactions parallel a child's during this development process, especially when he tells omma he wants to go home or he is Shin too and wondering how long "soon" is.

I will never get used to abuse of expensive possessions in dramas. Why would you punish a tablet when you are frustrated with yourself?

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Even though her character a but annoying sometimes but im loving all the main leads interactions they're just too adorable.. It's addicting, someone give me reply if u know where to find such a handsome, cute obeying robot like this, i need 1 in my life so bad

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despite the prospect of a sad ending, possibly NS3 dying for the real shin, I'm staying because I'm curious of how they will handle ethical issues about robots having human-like feeling and such. I would also like it if the drama goes 'The Century Man' route..

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I meant 'becentennial man' lol

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Shin reminds me so much of Connor from Detroit: Become Human! They're both so innocent and puppy-like and I feel this urge to protect them :((

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LOL, you must have played very differently from me. My Connor wasn't innocent, he was sassy and pushy!

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